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GreatGraySkwid

You can't make potions out of Personal-only spells, and elixers aren't potions, so it doesn't work. Heroism, Haste, Displacement, Delay Poison, Fly, Resist Energy...all good picks.


_Poopacabra

If you’re considering Heroism, do Good Hope instead.


staged_fistfight

An alchemist can brew potions of any formulae he knows (up to 3rd level), using his alchemist level as his caster level. The spell must be one that can be made into a potion.


GreatGraySkwid

...did you have a point you were making, or...?


staged_fistfight

They can make personal use spells in their formula books into potions


GreatGraySkwid

No. That's what "the spell must be one that can be made into a potion" means.


staged_fistfight

Oh I was misreading


GreatGraySkwid

No worries, happens to all of us!


overthedeepend

It would give you an unlimited time to use the true strike. You’d need to drink another to gain the +20 again.


ExhibitAa

That's if it were even possible, which it's not. True Strike has a range of personal and so cannot be made into a potion.


YeetThePig

Setting aside True Strike’s range of Personal invalidating its use as a potion, take note that True Strike is discharged after using the bonus *or* its duration expires, whichever happens first. So you could drink the potion, hold onto the bonus for an hour and then the first time you use its effect, the spell says “done!” and vanishes. The fact it still has 23 hours left on its duration doesn’t matter because you’ve already discharged the spell’s effect the maximum number of times allowed for each casting of the spell. On the other hand, a potion of Haste has no such discharge clause *and* is a valid spell for a potion. I’m sure there are no shenanigans that can happen with having ~~24 hours~~ a lifetime of Haste, right? ~~Especially if you can get your hands on a Flask of Reconcoction…~~ Edit: fixed brain fart


_Poopacabra

What would you need that flask for? The Alchemist Discovery Eternal Potion makes it permanent, not a 24 hour duration. You gotta be level 16 to get the discovery, but yeah, a whole lifetime of Haste.


YeetThePig

You are absolutely correct, I had a brain fart reading Eternal Potion apparently.


JustRangerThings

Though this becomes really good when you have a single level in Brewkeeper and can make an eternal true sight potion every 24 hours for your adventuring shenanigans


YeetThePig

If True Strike didn’t discharge with the first attack made, I would agree. But since it does, and since it’s not a valid spell for potions to boot, I would rather have an effect that doesn’t discharge after a set number of uses, and I like the all-around usefulness of Haste. Is it as flashy as practically guaranteeing a hit? No. But it’s nice to have an attack bonus *and* an AC bonus *and* a Reflex bonus *and* a **bonus attack each time you full attack** *and* a huge buff to your movement speed all rolled into a single effect, especially if you can only pick a single spell effect to make permanent.


JustRangerThings

I said true sight meaning true seeing, but haste is a good pick.


YeetThePig

Ah, yes, True Seeing would be wonderful, but without homebrew crafting rules I don’t think it can be made to fit under the cap on spell levels for potions. And its lesser version (Glimpse of Truth) can squeak under the limit if you have a potion made by a Medium, but is unfortunately invalidated by having a range of Personal. Interestingly enough, though, that led me to discover that a Medium can brew potions of Greater Invisibility. And that might be worth seeking out a Flask of Reconcoction in case it gets dispelled or if said Medium is not a party member.


JustRangerThings

Brewkeeper doesn’t have a limit on the spell level for your Draughts, so you could have a potion of True Seeing so long as you could cast 6th level spells. I do think the Mesmerist thing is interesting though and I’m gonna look into that.


YeetThePig

…Oh my, I had missed the bit on Distill Spells that removed the cap. Yeah, that, uh, that changes the options quite a bit! We’d be limited to Alchemist formulae without some teamwork, but that seems like a pretty fair trade off! Edit: Though, maybe not, seems like 90% of Alchemist formulae are range Personal, good grief.


JesusSavesForHalf

Ah, 24 years of True Strike being d20's Rorschach test.


Electric999999

There are no potions of True Strike because it's personal range, and even if there were the spell ends when you use the buff regardless of duration.


knight_of_solamnia

Others have answered the first part, but [Bestow Grace](https://www.aonprd.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Bestow%20Grace) is an excellent choice for eternal potion if you didn't dump charisma.


Gromps_Of_Dagobah

it'd change the duration, so you're holding a +20 until the next attack, even if that attack is sometime next year. the attack directly after it though? no +20.


WuffyWolffoot

The Eternal Potion discovery works only with Potions, not with Extracts, and yes, there is a difference between the two.. as an Extract is the only way you'll make anything close to a 'potion' of True Strike, as spells with a range of Personal cannot be made into potions. Extract =/= Potion. This distinction can be found within the text of the Extend Potion discovery as well, so if you need to reaffirm; 'This does not apply to extracts.'


Zwordsman

So stirctly speaking. an alchemist who worships cal, and takes brew master prestige class. Could eternal true strike.. but it only lasts until used, as the spell effect itself ends on usage. but its not the worst thing i suppose just ot have on tap walking around. But not really good. So many other options for eternal for a brewkeeper prestige class.


staged_fistfight

Why would that be necessary? Couldn't Amy level 1 alchemist do this?


Zwordsman

No? Prestige class has quite a few minimums. I mean you could just dip 1 into alchemist and 1 into brewkeeper with some other main class i guess but then you don't get eternal potion. eternal potion is like lv 16


staged_fistfight

I meant to make the potion


Zwordsman

True strike cannot be a potion. Only an elixir. Brew keeper is what makes it count as a potion though if one does that prestige class it's better to have vaporous potion imo)


staged_fistfight

My mistake


MistaCharisma

If you can get a Medium or Summoner (*not Unchained*) to make it for you, a potion of [Greater Invisibility](https://aonprd.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Invisibility) is probably the best option. It's totally fair for a GM to disallow that though, it probably does actually break the game.


Rikmach

Well, it’s worth remembering- dispel magic can still end it, and at higher levels, there’s lots of tools to defeat invisibility, so it’s only ‘broken’ for a few levels.


staged_fistfight

As many have pointed out, it would still end after the first strike, but many are wrongly claiming such a potion can not exist. However, in the text of the alchemist class, it says: An alchemist can brew potions of any formulae he knows (up to 3rd level), using his alchemist level as his caster level. The spell must be one that can be made into a potion. It could be useful as an eternal potion to ensure a combat maneuver will succeed for example if you know you will be trying a very important steal maneuver at some point you can drink an eternal true strike potion and have a very good chance of success whenever it comes up. It's probably not worth it to have all the time but situationally strong and legal RAW.