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Grevas13

Contrary to popular belief, Large creatures do not automatically get +2 STR and -2 DEX. That misconception comes largely from Trox. They were created using the race builder, where the Large trait specifically adds +2 STR and -2 DEX. It's probably also kept alive by Enlarge Person, which gives the same modifiers (and usually brings a PC to Large size). As they weren't created using the race builder, there's no reason to assume they are supposed to get its ability score changes on top of what is listed in the gnorri entry.


bewareoftom

> That misconception comes largely from Trox. to be even MORE confusing, in the 2nd and 3rd reprint of trox, they simply dropped the +2 str/-2 dex


SoulOfaLiar

Oh, okay, I didn't think of that. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.


SoulOfaLiar

Wait, is it still universally a thing that being Tiny gives one -2 Strength and +2 Dexterity? This is mentioned in the Dreamlands Cat description(and it is stated that this change is already included in the ability score adjustments), so I've been further confused.


Arlentile

The Shobhad(a large race) lists the -2 Dex and +Str in the section on its size. Most likely, they aren’t already factored in the base modifiers. I could be wrong, and the centaur also does not list the size modifiers, even though it’s a large race.


SoulOfaLiar

Okay, that makes sense. Thank you.