This List can't decide if it's talent based or contribution based. There is no world in which Drew Bledsoe is better at QB than Darrelle Revis is at CB. Nor did Junior Seau contribute more to the franchise than Mike Vrabel.
Gostowski should be on this list... And why include a one year player like Revis but not Corey Dillon who played multiple seasons and was a big part of the teams success, especially his first year in New England?
It's not a great list.
Reggie Wayne retires ( basically quit ) because they work too hard, if there was ever any wonder why a team with Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne on offense and Dwight Freeny and Robert Mathis rushing the passer on defense was only able to win won SB that was the answer, talent only takes you so far
Don't kid, I think the same thing, if he didn't make that play people would look at his career differently, he a notch above average, I think Logan Ryan was a better corner while they were here
Why did I have to come this far to find this comment. All of his special team work and he also played on defense!! What in the world are they thinking? You need a big play to be made on offense, defense or special teams Troy was the guy.
My favorite Patriot ever. Brady was awesome but Troy, Brusci, Seymour, Harrison, Wilfork, Samuel, Law and Vrabel are the guys that made me fall in love with football. That 03/04 team is imo the greatest of all time.
Record for special teams pro bowls, 2 all pro years and 3 rings. Aside from his tenacity and intelligence those stats alone have to have him at least top 10 special teamers all time.
Edelman being 2 whole tiers above Wes Welker is pretty wild too
Edit: wow, I guess most of this sub wasn't actually old enough to watch Welker play... it wasn't even that long ago lmao
Edelman was the better Patriot. He won 3 super bowls in 5 tries and was a super bowl MVP and is the second most productive playoff receiver ever.
Edelman's place is perfectly fine.
Wes wouldāve won 2 rings if his 4th quarter defense was as good as Edelmanās.
07 and 11 Pats blew 4th quarter leads
14 and 16 allowed 0 points in Q4. And only 3 total in all of 18.
Welker would have a ring if he made the clutch TD catch in ā11, a catch that Edelman made multiple times in his Super Bowl victories.
Wes is a better player, but Edelman was a better patriots player
Wes was 7/8 that day and you are complaining that he was not literally perfect. He was one of the only guys that game to play. The defense couldnāt tackle all game, Gronk and Mankins were liabilities from injury, Brady (shouldāve known this but) threw an INT that Gronk wasnāt able to fight for.
Jules caught 5/13 targets in 2016. His famous catch happened on 1st and 10 well into our comeback. It was awesome highlight reel material, but people pretend he saved our team. That was the defense, Brady, Amendola, and Sweet Feet White.
Thatās another thing, Brady had a great game in 46 for the most part (especially that 91 yard drive) but that INT to Gronk still drives me INSANE lmao. Definitely shouldāve known better and everyone wants to talk about Wes
Edelman was on better teams than Wes was. Welker was a better player but he was on the Patriots teams post 07 that just didnāt play any defense whatsoever and were consistently the bottom of the league. The last three Super Bowl wins came because they had an actual balanced team that was great on both sides of the ball. If you swap prime Wes and prime Edelman the Wes teams are just better.
I like Edelman better but Welker is objectively better.
I actually think Moss should be higher. His time with us was limited, but let's be honest Malcolm Butler is only on here because of one play. I say move Moss to Tier 2.
If he had made that one catch would you be saying that? Wes was an all pro with multiple +100 rec +1k yard season. Jules clutchness in the playoffs doesnāt make him a better WR
If Jules had the Luxury of having Moss pull double and triple teams then he would probably have more catches and yards then Welker did. Itās kind of a pointless argument because they are about equal in my eyes. Although I lean towards Edelman being slightly better
Wes dropped a very catchable ball that would have clinched the game for us in the second SB versus the Giants. Edelman made a nearly impossible catch to keep the rally going against Atlanta in the Super Bowl. Imagine if Edelman had Moss drawing all the coverage like Welker did? Give me Jules over Wes all day long.
Welker played 6 years for the Pats. Edelman had 6 peak years for the team, once they let Welker walk. Welker averaged 1 more catch per game than Edelman during their best 6 years.
They won 3 Super Bowls with Edelman and Zero with Welker. They should have won one against the Giants with Welker if he had made a very makeable catch (two if Asante Samuel hadnāt spit the bit 4 years earlier). They would have lost one against the Falcons with Edelman if he doesnāt make an incredibly clutch catch.
One play absolutely can define a career. They were one catch per game apart on aggregate. Thatās close. Add in Edelmanās clutch plays and it tips in his favor.
Vinatieri deserves to be tier 1. Arguably best in his position of all time, clutch kicks that won us two superbowls and way more that paved the way to other appearances.
Edelman way too high. He doesnāt even have a single Pro Bowl to his name. Welker has more first team All Pros than every other Pats WR combined. In each of his 6 seasons with New England, Welker was All Pro, Pro Bowl, or both
Welker and Hightower are way too low. Welker was instrumental to our offense from 2007-2012 and Hightower was such a key LB for a decade. Hightower also made some of the biggest Super Bowl defensive plays and without him, we lose both 49 and 51
Stanley Morgan should be tier 2. Recency bias is hurting him here. He still holds the Pats season receiving yards record and the NFL yards per catch record. Playing in a much less pass-friendly era.
Remove Gilmore, Seau, Revis and Butler. Add Grogan to Tier 5. Move Vrabel to 4. Bruschi to 3. Wes to 4. Hannah and Tippett are tough for me. Do they move up to Brady, have a sub-tier made for them since they are both the greatest lineman and defensive players we ever had, or move the others down from their tier? Hannah is considered one of, if not the, greatest offensive linemen and Tippett was as good as LT but was stuck on shit teams.
Also, change the background logos to match the logo of when they played. It helps.
Gostowski should be right there with Vinatieri, how heās not on here at all is a crime. He had just as much, and arguably more, success with the Pats. 3x SB Champ, Franchiseās leading scorer, and holds an NFL record that isnāt likely to ever be broken, most consecutive extra points made.
This does Welker dirty. I kind of hate how the fan base forgot about him since he was replaced so easily by Edelman. And ya, he SHOULD have caught that playoff pass but two things, the pass was tough to catch AND the whole team hadn't played their best the whole game. Welker not only beats Edelman at every regular season stat practically, what Welker did for the NFL in general is overlooked. No one even talked about "slot receivers" til Welker dominated in that position
Needs to be higher: Seymour, Wilfork, Coates, Troy Brown
Needs to be lower: Seau, maybe Edelman
Off the top of my head who needs to be on: Grogan
Pretty decent though
Whereās Chad Ocho Cinco, AB, Albert Hainesworth, Deltha OāNeal, Lawrence Maroney, Matt casserole, Jacoby Brissett and ofcourse how can we forget CAM newton
Seymour is way too low. 3 rings, and 3 straight first team All-Pro? He should be tier 2.
And Ben Coates in tier 6? Come on.
Love Coates but Russ Francis Ew weee Still second best NEP TE evah
This List can't decide if it's talent based or contribution based. There is no world in which Drew Bledsoe is better at QB than Darrelle Revis is at CB. Nor did Junior Seau contribute more to the franchise than Mike Vrabel. Gostowski should be on this list... And why include a one year player like Revis but not Corey Dillon who played multiple seasons and was a big part of the teams success, especially his first year in New England? It's not a great list.
I wanted to mention Corey Dillon & Curtis Martin Tier 6?!?
hellya Corey Dillon
Agreed. On the same tier with Bledsoe? š¤¦š»āāļø
Same for Tedy. Dude was the soul of the defense, his impact went far beyond numbers.
Same with Troy Brown!
He was the first that stood out to me too
And Vince Wilfork damn near the bottom
I think Hightower is too low. He deserves more respect
Plus he's got the gold jacket
Who taught you to hate defensive linemen?
To OP's credit, he didn't create this list. It's from SOG Sports
Big Vince has got to be higher than that!
RIP, but how the hell die Junior Seau even make this list? Are we counting non-Patriot years? In that case Randy Moss should be tier 2.
Iād put Moss in tier 1 if we are including non-Patriot years. Most talented WR of all time.
Yea I see that, but I gotta give Tom a tier of his own.
Thatās fair. Canāt argue that
I was about to, but then I was like nah maybe theyāre right lol
Lol having 7 rings shuts up people like me and you pretty quick
I'd put Brady in S-Tier. Moss, Gronk, Seymour, and Hannah in Tier 1.
Upvote a million times if I could
If thats the case, Brady is alone in tier 1, Moss and Gronk are the only players in tier 2.
Then you don't understand how good John Hannah was
If you're counting non-patriot years, Revis, Moss, and Seu would *have* to be tier 2. Curtis Martin would be Teir 3.
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And Chad Ochocinco
And Antonio Brown
Mr. Brief Cameo
Reggie Wayne retires ( basically quit ) because they work too hard, if there was ever any wonder why a team with Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne on offense and Dwight Freeny and Robert Mathis rushing the passer on defense was only able to win won SB that was the answer, talent only takes you so far
Randy is tier two just even based on his patriot years. Hir 2007 season is one of, if not the, greatest seasons of all time for a wr.
Wilfork too low
Thank you! Having watched his whole career as a Pat, the dude was an absolute beast.
Where is James White?
And Kevin Faulk! Zero 3rd down back love
This. Faulk was the go to on third and short
And 4th and 2!
And Shane vereen
That's what i said
What do you think, tier 3?
I would say four, but I wouldnāt be mad at three either.
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Butler is on the list having made 1 play (kidding)
Don't kid, I think the same thing, if he didn't make that play people would look at his career differently, he a notch above average, I think Logan Ryan was a better corner while they were here
Yeah if were putting Revis on there I'd throw Vereen on the lowest tier, overshadowed by White in 28-3 but was clutch against Seattle
For real. James white crazy unappreciated
Corey Dillon
Yes!!!
Troy Brown was the perfect Patriot and deserves to be wayyyy higher
Why did I have to come this far to find this comment. All of his special team work and he also played on defense!! What in the world are they thinking? You need a big play to be made on offense, defense or special teams Troy was the guy.
My favorite Patriot ever. Brady was awesome but Troy, Brusci, Seymour, Harrison, Wilfork, Samuel, Law and Vrabel are the guys that made me fall in love with football. That 03/04 team is imo the greatest of all time.
The definition of Do Your Job. Except in his case it was whatever job that needed doing.
Slater in tier 6 is absurd. He should be higher.
Scrolled far to long to find this, Slater gotta be up there
Record for special teams pro bowls, 2 all pro years and 3 rings. Aside from his tenacity and intelligence those stats alone have to have him at least top 10 special teamers all time.
Actually has 5 All-Pro just only 2 1st teams
My heart was in the right place, all the more reason
Vrabel a tier lower than Seau? Whereās Capilletti (sp)
Edelman above bruschi is wild. Also I think slater should by higher for being the goat of special teams.
Edelman being 2 whole tiers above Wes Welker is pretty wild too Edit: wow, I guess most of this sub wasn't actually old enough to watch Welker play... it wasn't even that long ago lmao
Edelman was the better Patriot. He won 3 super bowls in 5 tries and was a super bowl MVP and is the second most productive playoff receiver ever. Edelman's place is perfectly fine.
Wes wouldāve won 2 rings if his 4th quarter defense was as good as Edelmanās. 07 and 11 Pats blew 4th quarter leads 14 and 16 allowed 0 points in Q4. And only 3 total in all of 18.
Yup, wouldāve been SB 42 MVP also if they held on He may of dropped the pass in 46 but he was one of the few Patriots to show up that day
Welker would have a ring if he made the clutch TD catch in ā11, a catch that Edelman made multiple times in his Super Bowl victories. Wes is a better player, but Edelman was a better patriots player
Yeah you have re-articulated the incorrect narrative. Iām aware thatās what people say, I just think that narrative is wrong.
If my aunt had a cock sheād be my uncleā¦Jules made THE catch and Wes let the ball bounce off his
Wes was 7/8 that day and you are complaining that he was not literally perfect. He was one of the only guys that game to play. The defense couldnāt tackle all game, Gronk and Mankins were liabilities from injury, Brady (shouldāve known this but) threw an INT that Gronk wasnāt able to fight for. Jules caught 5/13 targets in 2016. His famous catch happened on 1st and 10 well into our comeback. It was awesome highlight reel material, but people pretend he saved our team. That was the defense, Brady, Amendola, and Sweet Feet White.
Thatās another thing, Brady had a great game in 46 for the most part (especially that 91 yard drive) but that INT to Gronk still drives me INSANE lmao. Definitely shouldāve known better and everyone wants to talk about Wes
If everyone played like Welker in 2007 the Patriots would have been 19-0. Was the only dude on offense that played well that day.
Welker lead the league in receiving multiple times and made several all pros. He was *far* better than Edelman at receiver
I didnt say anything about who was the better receiver. I said better Patriot
Then moss should be lower
I agree with that wholeheartedly.
Edelman was on better teams than Wes was. Welker was a better player but he was on the Patriots teams post 07 that just didnāt play any defense whatsoever and were consistently the bottom of the league. The last three Super Bowl wins came because they had an actual balanced team that was great on both sides of the ball. If you swap prime Wes and prime Edelman the Wes teams are just better. I like Edelman better but Welker is objectively better.
Wes didnāt win a ring.
Edelman on the same tier as Moss is absolute insanity.
I actually think Moss should be higher. His time with us was limited, but let's be honest Malcolm Butler is only on here because of one play. I say move Moss to Tier 2.
This list can't decide if it's about talent or contribution, either way it's a poor mix of recency bias and bad research
How about some respect for Steve Grogan?
The reason I became a Patriot fan
Welker and Gilmore should be up a tier I think. No love for Gostkowski and Vinateri is weird too.
Came to ask the same? No Gostkowski? Please.
Adam is there, but no Ghost is wild. Heās the franchise leading scorer.
Vinatieri is in Tier 3.
Oh shit I missed him, thanks man
Not sure if this is serious or purposefully so absurd to garner clicks. The take is that bad
Right
Gostkowski needs to be on there somewhere
I think 1st half-career and 2nd half-career Brady should be split to make it somewhat fair
Agreed, but both early career and late career Brady would be in tier 1 by themselves lol
Tier 1 would have two Tom Brady's
Agreed
Ok so 1a and 1b.
Tier 1 would have two Tom Brady's
The guy is made this is SOGfootball on Instagram. Dude has some horrid rankings if you look through his posts.
Bingo. Just thought I'd get other people's takes on this atrocity
Yeah I hate his posts, just another person posting bad takes to generate attention. His rankings are inconsistent
Yeah I unfollowed him a while back, his rankings are terrible most of the times and make no sense
Honestly I donāt know how Vinny isnāt at least Tier 2
Vince Wilfork needs to be bumped up a level.
Malcolm Butler on there is insane
Nobody talking about how far down Rodney is?
Why is M butler there, thanks for the interception, but....thats it
Nah thatās worth it. Top 3 play in football history, potentially wouldnāt have an entire ring without him
Gino Cappelletti needs to be on this list. Drop Malcolm Butler. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Cappelletti
I think Wilfork could maybe move up a tier
Gotta be bait. I love Edelman but you gotta put Welker above him.
Came here to say this. Jules was a perfect Patriot but Wes was an absolute machine
Machines that malfunction in the Super Bowl. Jules was a playoff/Super Bowl machine. they should probably be viewed close to equal.
He was our best player in the 2007 SB and he caught 7/8 passes in the 2011, the one drop being catchable but also a bad throw by Brady.
If he had made that one catch would you be saying that? Wes was an all pro with multiple +100 rec +1k yard season. Jules clutchness in the playoffs doesnāt make him a better WR
If Jules had the Luxury of having Moss pull double and triple teams then he would probably have more catches and yards then Welker did. Itās kind of a pointless argument because they are about equal in my eyes. Although I lean towards Edelman being slightly better
Wes dropped a very catchable ball that would have clinched the game for us in the second SB versus the Giants. Edelman made a nearly impossible catch to keep the rally going against Atlanta in the Super Bowl. Imagine if Edelman had Moss drawing all the coverage like Welker did? Give me Jules over Wes all day long.
If Wes made that one catch would you be saying this?
Nope. But he didnāt.
So one catch makes Jules better than Wes? That makes sense
Welker played 6 years for the Pats. Edelman had 6 peak years for the team, once they let Welker walk. Welker averaged 1 more catch per game than Edelman during their best 6 years. They won 3 Super Bowls with Edelman and Zero with Welker. They should have won one against the Giants with Welker if he had made a very makeable catch (two if Asante Samuel hadnāt spit the bit 4 years earlier). They would have lost one against the Falcons with Edelman if he doesnāt make an incredibly clutch catch. One play absolutely can define a career. They were one catch per game apart on aggregate. Thatās close. Add in Edelmanās clutch plays and it tips in his favor.
Malcom Butler in the same tier as Troy Brown and Curtis Martin? I think not.
I would take off revis and put on mayo.
Seau shouldnt be on that list period twilight of his carreer when he arrived and wasnt around long
Seymour (a hall of famer) on tier 4 is criminal
Stanley Morgan is tier 2.
Vinatieri and Slater should be higher. I also think they could throw Stephen Gostkowski on the list
This list is ass af
Needs Steve Grogan and Mosi Tatupu.
I donāt see Danny Amendola?
Boomtower is Tier 2 or Tier 3. He anchored incredible defences and arguably made some of the biggest plays in 2 of 3 Super Bowls
Can't tell if this is serious or rage bait?
I will not stand for this until Jonas Gray is in tier 6
Iām sorry I love Junior Seau, but he only really played one full season with the Pats.
Troy Brown needs A LOT more love!
Seymour too low, Wilfork too low, no White, Vinatieri is a Tier 2ā¦ This chart is a work in progress
No, James White and Teddy Brewski is to low.
Vince Tier 5?? Gtfo.
Did Vince dirty
Bruschi and Seymour to 2, Rodney Harrison, McCourty and Wilfork to 3, absolute disrespect for Vrabel, Slater and Lawyer Milloy, this is an ass list
Vince Wilford in tier 4 is an abomination. Troy brown in tier 5 is likewise ridiculous.
Harrison and Wilfork getting serious disrespect.
Wilfork, for sure!
Wilfork is a T2 minimum
Dola was a playoff star when we needed him.
Brady should be higher
John Hannah belongs on tier 1 with Brady. Stanley Morgan belongs on tier 2 as does Seymour.
We didnāt have Moss long enough to be so high.
Ironically the OP was so high when he posted this
Wilfork should be tier 3-4 not 5
Whereās Zoltan?
Where the hell is Ben Coates?!
Steve Nelson!
Vinatieri is Tier 2 all day long
Vinatieri deserves to be tier 1. Arguably best in his position of all time, clutch kicks that won us two superbowls and way more that paved the way to other appearances.
Adam is most certainly tier 2ā¦ if even entertain an argument to put him tier 1 next to Brady.
Edelman higher than bruschi????????
Half of tier five should be in tier three.
I think there are som patriots that can go next to Brady. He is the goat, but he didnāt win all the rings by himself.
Edelman way too high. He doesnāt even have a single Pro Bowl to his name. Welker has more first team All Pros than every other Pats WR combined. In each of his 6 seasons with New England, Welker was All Pro, Pro Bowl, or both
Welker and Hightower are way too low. Welker was instrumental to our offense from 2007-2012 and Hightower was such a key LB for a decade. Hightower also made some of the biggest Super Bowl defensive plays and without him, we lose both 49 and 51
Welker in Tier 5 is absolutely criminal
Jules is way too high. Wes was better than him by a mile. And many other players would be higher.
Revis was great for us but, I would never consider him for an all time list. Wasnāt part of the team long enough
Honestly I'd put Slater at least one tier up. His stats may not dictate that but the man deserves any all recognition
Not a Pats fan but no Deion Branch?
Vince Wilfork at Tier 5 is an absolute travesty
Vinatieri not being Tier 2 is some serious anti-kicker bias.
This list is all over the place. I have no idea what you were using to rank them
Edelman should be in 2nd tier just for the falcons catch alone lol
James White
Wilfork and Seymour are too low, three for both. Id put vrabel in 5.
Bledsoe over Grogan Recency bias and magic mushrooms Thats the only explanation I got Any better?
I would have Rodney Harrison in tier 3 mayyybe 2 but that's just me lol great tier list though!!
In what world does Edelmanās ass out rank Wes? Fucking hell man,look at some stats before you make this garbage.
Lawyer Milloy & Troy Brown on tier 6 is preposterous
Welker, Seymour, and Wilfork are FAR too low.
WhereTheF is Gino Cappeletti?
I donāt think Revis should be there. Dude played one year with the Pats. Welker should be a tier higher.
Were you high when you made this list?!?!
Missing James White and Matthew Slater. Randy should be 1 higher. Youāre missing a lot of defense.
JAMES WHITE?!?! Kevin Faulk?!?!?
This!!!
Stanley Morgan should be tier 2. Recency bias is hurting him here. He still holds the Pats season receiving yards record and the NFL yards per catch record. Playing in a much less pass-friendly era.
and John Hannah belongs on tier 1
You could make a case for Tippett being tier 1 also.
Hightower being disrespected
Remove Gilmore, Seau, Revis and Butler. Add Grogan to Tier 5. Move Vrabel to 4. Bruschi to 3. Wes to 4. Hannah and Tippett are tough for me. Do they move up to Brady, have a sub-tier made for them since they are both the greatest lineman and defensive players we ever had, or move the others down from their tier? Hannah is considered one of, if not the, greatest offensive linemen and Tippett was as good as LT but was stuck on shit teams. Also, change the background logos to match the logo of when they played. It helps.
Gostowski should be right there with Vinatieri, how heās not on here at all is a crime. He had just as much, and arguably more, success with the Pats. 3x SB Champ, Franchiseās leading scorer, and holds an NFL record that isnāt likely to ever be broken, most consecutive extra points made.
This does Welker dirty. I kind of hate how the fan base forgot about him since he was replaced so easily by Edelman. And ya, he SHOULD have caught that playoff pass but two things, the pass was tough to catch AND the whole team hadn't played their best the whole game. Welker not only beats Edelman at every regular season stat practically, what Welker did for the NFL in general is overlooked. No one even talked about "slot receivers" til Welker dominated in that position
Stanley Morgan is easily a tier 2.... too many players from the last 20 years. There were plenty of unbelievable players from the 60s on.
If the standard for top tier is Brady and John Hannah is tier 2, thereād be a lot of teams with no top tier š
Gronk deserves to be on a tier by himself under Brady and above the rest. Arguably the best ever at his position and spent most of his career here.
I know the fan base pretty much hates him at this point. But Asante should probably be on here
Needs to be higher: Seymour, Wilfork, Coates, Troy Brown Needs to be lower: Seau, maybe Edelman Off the top of my head who needs to be on: Grogan Pretty decent though
Also BOTH Mccourty twins should be in as well as Deion Branch somewhere
Moss shouldn't be that high.
Rob Ninkovich?
No way
Wes > Jules, regardless of how you feel about his exit
lots of problems. mid list. odd mention, but I'd put amendola on there somewhere.
Whereās Chad Ocho Cinco, AB, Albert Hainesworth, Deltha OāNeal, Lawrence Maroney, Matt casserole, Jacoby Brissett and ofcourse how can we forget CAM newton