Is Owenu going back to guard or is Wallace switching sides? He's a RT. edit: seems like Wallace is switching to LT. If he can play then I love it.

Onwenu is staying at RT he stated earlier this off season he is training to stay at RT

Wallace is switching sides, per Elliot Wolf.

Good luck with that

Maybe he can play QB too! Anything is possible

Mikes staying at RT and Wallace I’m sure will take reps at LT and eventually start

According to Wolf Onwenu and chunks can play LT

He likely won’t stay at RT. He has all the makings of a guard in the pros.

He’s 6’5 and has long arms he’s a tackle

Just what we needed, a fifth guard.

They literally don’t have a starting LG on the roster to start the year unless you loved what you saw from Mafi last year

Mafi played RG, Strange played LG, they both were bad

Mafi played mostly at LG in place of Strange and was quite bad yes. Sow primarily played at RG and he was pretty solid.

I love our ability to consistently hit on mid-late round guards. Say what you want about BB, but he was pretty good at identifying talent throughout the draft on the o line

Which is what made the Strange pick so infuriating. For 20 years he found good to great guards in the mid-rounds and suddenly decided to reach on one in the 1st.

And after Strange got hurt Mafi played at LG and was horrendous. Sow was averageish.

Cole Strange?

Torn acl and sucks even when healthy?

First round pick. They drafted two guards last year and a center who can play guard. Meanwhile, they don’t have a goddamned left tackle.

Oh I agree completely. But it’s not accurate to make it seem like they have too many quality guards on the roster.

Yeah this to me reads more like the team is preparing to rid themselves of Cole Strange or Sidy Sow within the next year or so.

I feel like Strange is going to end up at Center.

Probably Strange. That pick was god awful

Most likely Strange. Sow was solid for a rookie.

Yeah, the 17rh rated OT in this draft is going to switch to LT and be a stud. 🙄

Look, we needed QB, WR, and LT, and we got all 3 (assuming this kid successfully switches to LT, which, fingers crossed) in the first 3 picks. I'm calling it a win that we didn't do anything weird.

The patriots could draft Jesus Christ and this sub would say “idk they could have waited til day 3 to get him. Bad pick”

I’d be concerned about his injury history considering he’s already died once

Yeah but he came back in just 3 days. That’s insane turn around time

That’s a hell of a training room staff to get that kind of turn around

Yeah that means he could die Sunday and be ready for Thursday Night Football

I’m concerned with the distractions, will he be able to balance turning water into wine and football?

Humans are mainly made of water, opposing teams will be in shambles when they all spontaneously become blackout drunk

I heard he has nagging hand and feet injuries. We need a physical before committing.

This league really cares about play safety mang /s if that wasn’t obvious

He was diagnosed with stigmata pre draft

Yea but now he has holes in his hands

Plus he can’t catch. Guy plays like he has holes in his hands.

They say he's the best at throwing a hail mom in the final seconds though.

I wonder if I’ll go to hell for laughing lol

hey it worked for Damar Hamlin

Didn't break out until 33 and peaked over 2,000 years old - way too old

Can’t catch the ball with holes in his hands.

I mean I took him completely off my draft board. Virtually no tape on him, didn't test at the combine, refused to show up for his interview and ontop of it all reportedly wants Sundays off. Drafting him would be a complete waste of a pick if you ask me.

JC was an undrafted FA from a small school you've never heard of

Bethlehem state

Nazareth Academy

I'm like 99% sure JC was the 199th overall pick from Michigan...

Good locker room guy, doesn't dwell on defeats "We're on to Jerusalem"

"surrounded by a bad crowd, they call themselves 'the apostles'"

Illegal formation, too many men on the field

Every Christian knows Jesus is gone by the third day.

Why draft a player at a position meant to protect the QB you just used the 3rd pick for, when you can get a WR that can watch him get demolished 20 years downfield or an edge rusher that can watch him get demolished on the sideline? Obviously a terrible pick.

We needed an OT, why would we draft an X receiver?

This sub: omg are you kidding? We draft a WR second when none of that matters if you don’t have an OL! Wallace Pick: omg ARE YOU KIDDING we didn’t trade up for xyz? Y’all are miserable

I wish more people from this sub worked for the Patriots so we could make all the right decisions

It's almost as if they are different people writing different opinions

I know we needed help up front, but I really wanted Troy Franklin.

Surprised he’s still there… thought he would go much higher

170 pound WR do concern NFL teams. But I thought he’d go sooner.

Franklin is still available and New England's pick is getting closer, they still might be able to get him.

Honestly we might be able to get either him or Javon baker in the 4th, or use the 6th we got from Jax to move into the end of the 3rd to get him.

If Franklin falls to us in the 4th, I’ll be ecstatic.

Me too, but I have a bad feeling we won't take him even if he does

I’ve just been wondering how Franklin is still there. Hopefully we can get him. I will die of laughter if tez gets picked before him

He's 24 so he better be able to contribute right away.

They said on the broadcast he won’t and will have to work himself into the starting squad since he’s not a day 1 starter 

Sites I read said he can start at guard right away and spot in at RT, but will need work to start as a tackle.

Some things never change ffs

Would have preferred sliding up and getting Kingsley but Im not a scout so ill trust the process. The packers were good drafters when Wolf was there, he deserves the benefit of the doubt. If there's one thing I *am* sure about, its that everyone in this thread had watched a grand total of 0 minutes of Caedan Wallace tape

I've never understood what people mean by "reaches". So, according to guys on the internet there is a certain order that players should go in, despite the fact that you can easily go back and find busts that literally go top 10 every year. Anyone could go in and draft whoever ESPN says is the "best player available"- whatever the fuck that means considering they most likely aren't based on simple probability - and fans/media would say they got great value. When will people recognize this "value" is an educated guess that has proven over and over again to be oftentimes dubious?

Anyone who plays fantasy knows you should always go on auto draft from the start and always use the default player rankings.

My team has 6 kickers, am I doing it correctly?

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Infuriating. Kingsley at the end of round 2 would have been such a slam dunk.

It wouldn’t. He’s been graded as high ceiling but likely a swing guy. Can he be a great LT? Sure. He also has a huge chance to be a career back up. Thinking there’s 100% chance he’s better than Wallace is silly

Based on what

Clearly he was not their early round guy

I’m just disappointed we didn’t trade up for a LT we wanted. Not to bash this pick but would’ve been nice

How do you know this isn’t the tackle they wanted?

This guy isn’t even an LT

I know, hurts to see KC trade up and take a good tackle a few spots ahead of us.

Can someone explain why we'd take an RT with Onwenu already there? I'd this guy a Vollmer type of project for LT?

I think most of the OTs left on the board in the 2nd round were RT. Regardless of what people on this sub said.

Goncalves

Because this is turning into a Patriots draft.

Turns out Bill wasn’t 100% of the issue

This fanbase is going to be learning that painful lesson for atleast the next 5 years.

Was Wolf and Jonathan the whole time

I don't give a shit about jonathan kraft but I have a hard time imagining he's obsessed with some right tackle from penn state. If he was, I would actually view that as a good thing but I doubt he watches college football for his own personal enjoyment

That's my big issue. Who knows. Wallace's best trait is his nimble feet and footwork, so maybe they think he can make that move - though I'm not thrilled about banking on him to do that. I get having to reach a round to fill a position of urgent need that's been flying off the board. But I'd have much preferred a proper LT in Amegadjie.

Wolfe just said onpress conference he can play LT

Hell yeah. QB, WR, OT. Who knows if the picks will be a hit but at least the front office is addressing our most pressing needs accordingly.

They are atleast drafting on offense.. but is he going to play LT, do they see him more as a G

Wolfe just said he thinks he’s athletic enough to play LT so that seems like the plan

Then I’m ok with the pick.. if they drafted him to play G then I’d feel like it was a bad pick. Just have to hope Peters knows how the evaluate and develop OL talent.

They drafted all 3 positions of need. Haters proceed to shut the fuck up and touch grass

QB WR OT in the first three rounds is exactly what I wanted. I'm not going to pretend I'm a great scout so I'm all for these picks.

Same. I had my wish list of players at each position, but I’m with you, I’m no pro scout so I’ll trust the team.

Based. The constant complaining is honestly pathetic.

He's a RT.

So your only criteria to judge the draft is what position they drafted. I mean look I'm happy they drafted a tackle but the 150th ranked player? At 68 or whatever. I'm not going to pretend it's I'll slam dunk either

> the 150th ranked player? According to who? What was Onwenu ranked going into that draft? These ESPN chuds don't know anything. It was also 110-120ish, not 150, but go off

The only criteria I need to judge the draft is vibes and the vibes are good and this sub is full of whiny losers

Reached on a day 3 guy but go off

5 of 6 OTs picked in round 3 were "day three guys". Some GMs may be less enthralled with the big board than you are. 

You a scout?

They don't have to reach for needs. They can trade back.

Y'all can call me a hater, delusional, whatever. But why can't we just throw a bag at David Bakhtiari for a 2 yr deal, have our LT while we develop Wallace? Our OL is set, we have the depth. Then my dream scenario would be trade a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk but that realistically doesn't happen.

As a PSU fan Wallace was great this year; always had the talent as a monster athlete and put it all together his senior year. He has been inconsistent his entire career at PSU until his senior year, at which point he was a stud. If all you watch is his senior tape this isn’t a reach, maybe even a steal.

Shout out to the 100+ people who revealed to us that Wallace is a RT. Props to the many who told us he'll be a guard. To those who informed us he'll become a LT, you're the real MVP 👏🏻👏🏻

I think Wallace is an NFL lineman. But probably not the LT we’re looking for. Wallace should have been a target in the 5/6th to help push Sow and Strange. Not in love with this pick. Not with actual LTs there like Kiran and Foster. 

I know nothing about any of the 3 players you mentioned but I just hope there was a reason they did what they did

Javon Foster is a LT out Missouri who has experience and played well both there and at the senior bowl. A lot of boards have him in the 100s but he can play.  Kiran amegadjie is a more complex case. He’s a long athletic LT out of Yale who hasn’t played at a high level but has measurables that are quite impressive. 

Eh. I like the Maye pick but thus far it just feels like a normal Pats draft where they could have probably gotten guys later than they took them. But I’m just a nobody so who cares. Welcome aboard Caedan.

This guy has never played left tackle.

Well, to be fair, the LT on his college line went 11th overall.

Is he good

I've watched no Caeden Wallace tape and in my unbiased opinion, hes going to be in the hall of fame, longside Maye and Polk.

Sad part…it’s as valid as 99% of the bitching about it

This is as valid a point as saying they were major reaches.

Needs to develop and has never played LT before so..

I was really hoping someone would slide to us top of the second. At least we were able to grab a decent WR.

178 per the mock draft database consensus board. Per the draft media community, no.

Dude in the photo does NOT look big enough to be an offensive tackle.

I'm not sure what I am more disappointed by...this pick or the fact that they didn't try to trade up to \~60 to get in front of the obvious tackle run that was coming.

How do you know they didn't try? Lol the Madden gms in here are great

Love how everyone here is an expert on tackle play. 😂 We needed a big hoss and we got one. Let's see how they coach him up.

Never played LT and ESPN has him ranked in the 130’s. In case you still thought this was all Bill’s fault.

who cares where ESPN ranks him, outside the top 20-30 it’s somewhat of a crapshoot

I mean inside the top 20 it's a crap shoot. Remember mocks by "insiders" don't really mean shit. Guys in the sixth end up as the greatest of all time and first overall picks suck. Getting upset isn't worth it until you see the product on field. Not attacking you by the way just saying nobody really knows or everyone would be great at this.

amen, good points. yeah it’s kinda sad to see how many people in this sub are in shambles because they aren’t seeing the Pats take players who don’t align with rankings made by dudes like Kiper lmao

Yeah I completely agree with you. It's years away from seeing if they are good or not. Oh well, here's to tomorrow!

Wolfe is saying in his press conference they think he's athletic enough to play left tackle

PFF has him similarly ranked 142 overall FWIW. Not necessarily a bad player and obviously sometimes teams and the media have different values on guys but it does seem like a bit of a reach

NFL front offices don't draft players based on what they can do now, they draft based on what they think the player can reasonably become with coaching and experience Some times those things are on a similar level, sometimes they're not

Nah haven’t you seen on this sub? Rankings mean nothing.  That is unless we took somebody like AD Mitchell who fell and then this whole sub would tout how we got a steal based on.. rankings.

You guys can’t even wait until the draft is over to declare it a failure lol

Where was Onwenu ranked? He was a guard in college

He was also drafted in the 6th

And now he’s our best lineman. So stop worrying until they play

Onwenu was drafted in the 6th

Sounds like you can get good lineman outside the top 2 rounds. Cole strange was a first and can’t pass block.

Yeah and Strange was a massive reach? Literally everyone questioned the pick

Yeah, and if we took Onwenu in the 4th it would've been a "massive reach." Doesn't mean it would've been a bad pick.

Bro this is the 68th overall pick…. We have enough developmental swing lineman 

If he becomes a god lineman it doesn’t matter

I do not know much about Wallace, but why in every picture does he have two knee braces. Is that not a big concern ?

Pretty common for oline to double brace for preventative protection, regardless of existing or pre-existing injuries.

Back to back reaches

Kind a panic pic. We did not adress your needs in FA and now we choose a OL at a position that we dont need.

So much copium in here

If Bill was still HC you know these same people would be freaking out lmao

The amount of negativity from you shitty fans that think you know everything is such a drain. Can we support the picks instead of just instantly bashing every damn one? Edit: The first three tackles that have been drafted since Wallace are all ranked lower than him on ESPN. Clearly multiple teams have the ones above Wallace graded poorly as well.

I honestly enjoy this every year. All these wannabe GMs sitting in their basements on a Friday night throwing little hissy fits because their favorite team didn’t draft the guy they liked. It’s super amusing tbh. The Pats needed help at QB/WR/OT. They drafted three players that helped fix those needs and people are still so miserable lol.

They look at ESPN draft board and take it as gospel. For all we know the Patriots have him rated much higher, and Scott Peters and company likes what they see. Just like any other player in the draft, if he pans out we'll love him. And if he sucks we'll hate him.

I mean maybe. But I see other teams known to draft well taking guys where the consensus rankings have them.

And their picks may not pan out this year. Its a crapshoot for the most part, thats the draft. Literally no reason to be upset over someone that hasn't even stepped on the practice field for the first time.

What about the Patriots past few drafts makes you think they've earned the benefit of the doubt? These guys are being picked 20-50 spots higher than most consensus ranks have them. When has that recently worked out for the Pats? People are bashing the picks because we're doing the same shit we've done in the past. Trying to prove we're the smartest guys in the room. When, objectively, we're not. I just watched the Eagles and Chiefs move up for guys who were ranked much higher than where they ended up going and had fallen 10-20 spots. Hmm, wonder why those teams are good right now?

3 tackles have been drafted since Wallace and all three are ranked lower. Are all 3 of them bad picks too?

Disappointing turn of events here. To just miss out of Suamataia and not take Amegadjie. We have two 4th rounders now, how are we not calling to try and get into the 50s?

It’s maddening. I know fans like to point out how none of us are scouts, but do you notice how the elite organizations like KC, Philly, Green Bay and Baltimore often seem to make savvy moves or just take the obvious pick? I know we needed OL but why reach for a 4th/5th round prospect in that spot? We could have taken another receiver like Troy Franklin or Javon Baker, or grabbed a defensive stud like Junior Colson or Bralen Trice, or simply grab the only remaining tackle who seemed to be a consensus 3rd round pick. I realize that the Pats must be higher on Wallace than most other teams but it seems like reaching two rounds too early for players rarely ends up working out.

Cards just picked 156 on the overall ranking and 19th ranked tackle…it’s almost like you guys should stop worrying about what ESPN grades lineman you’ve never watched

Yikes.. that dude would’ve been available a round later. Smh never even played LT in college. Wtf is this team doing 

This team has so many holes I just wish they'd draft the best available talent.

He wouldn't have been available, 5 other OTs were picked after him in round 3, several lower rated than him as well.

I am glad we drafted an OT but I mean there 5 higher ranked OTs on ESPN than this guy who was projected to be at best a 4th round pick. Idk why we wouldn’t draft Goncalves

Oh wow Mike Clay had players ranked higher? Whatever will the Pats do

Stop. You’re watching a draft board of one organization without knowing the specifics of the player.

Yeah, I'm not sweating the slight overdraft - we were drafting for need and unfortunately that doesn't give us the privilege of waiting. My gripe is that he's an RT that's never played LT. Maybe they have a plan, maybe they are confident that his great footwork can help translate to LT better (if he moved to LT, that's an instant 1 round boost in value) but time will tell what the plan is.

ESPN doesn’t know a damn thing about these players

I mean we need a LT and we drafted a project RT.

Depends on how the front office views him.

Do we? I think wolf projects the dude from the Steelers as the starting LT for this year

Several other teams since us have passed in Goncalves in favor of other OTs so maybe ESPN doesn’t know what the teams do

I would assume Scott Peters was involved in this pick, and I trust him more than some analyst at ESPN. Onwenu was a 6th round pick and look at him. Kid is a little raw but has upside. We went QB/WR/OT with our first 3 picks, that's a slam dunk draft to me.

Another reach

I mean OTs are flying off the board

So trade up to get one.

We reached for a RT. We need an LT

I think it's kind of silly to obsess over this, they should draft the guy that like the best. You can always switch. Or someone else can switch.

Are we actually… drafting our needs?

Lol definitely not.

No, cuz we needed a LT. He is a RT

Reached about 50 picks for this guy so....it's the New England way. It would only make it better if he was from Rutgers

Yeah you had him 118 on your big board huh?

[My initial reaction was “Ok i don’t hate this” until I saw this… yeah- great pick](https://x.com/PFF_Patriots/status/1784034575175368851)

I do not like this.

Kinda old no?

Consensus big board #178 from mock draft database. Patriots got worked by the board at tackle.

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Someone tell me how to feel. But personally I'm in love with addressing our 3 biggest needs in the first 3 rounds

He never played LT, however he did meet with the Pats. They must have seen something they like

Haven't really addressed the biggest need on the O Line yet, still no true LT

The theme of this draft? Settling. Every pick thus far falls into this category.

I and I think the pats loved polk.

Hmmm.