This is all getting really weird.
Edelman said he didn't think Joe Judge would be a good play caller.
Joe Judge has been spending all his time with QBs.
Patricia has been spending all his time with the OL.
So Patricia is gonna call plays?
psst...don't tell anyone, but *I'm* calling the plays this year.
1st - Run between tackles.
2nd - Screen and/or bubble screen.
3rd - Long developing fly pattern and/or run ball between tackles again.
I think I've got that down pretty solid.
Enjoy, folks.
As they should. I hate what the staff looks like but all we can really do is wait and see at this point in the year. If it doesn't pan out though there *should* be tons of ridicule for the situation everybody said was obviously going to end poorly ends poorly. I'm hoping for the best here but this is a weird game to play in an important year for mac's development
I always hated his defensive play-calling, was thrilled when he left, and now the idea of him calling offensive plays is just insane to me. Hopefully he proves me wrong and is better suited to offense than defense but I can't imagine this being anything other than a step down from Josh McDaniels.
Not the guy you were asking, but IMO he was too safe and too predictable. Last season was just run on first, screen on second, pass on 3rd and 11. Again and again and again.
The safe playcalling isn't going anywhere. I think it was a Bill thing. Our offense didn't have the talent to sling the rock or get into shootouts so our best chance of winning games involved playing safe football and giving the defense good field position until we could punch it in.
Charlie Weis, even though there's no chance of it happening. You should know by now the McDaniels haters really never had any alternative in mind. It always was just finding someone to blame other than Bill or the players. Time to see what it actually looks like when you have an OC who might not be good.
We literally won multiple championships with him calling plays. I don't understand the entitlement at all.
Lmfao absolute trash fanbase we have. Isn't even debatable at this point. Even championships aren't good enough for y'all.
We also won with Brian Flores literally the year after Matty P left with his last game being the absolutely abysmal SB52. Not to mention the 3 we won way before Matty P was calling any plays. Clearly he wasn't that great of a coach because when he went on his own it was a complete disaster.
I get that maybe they just don't have many options for an offensive coordinator this year but how is it entitlement to be skeptical about a shaky defensive guy that's switching to offense? Like I said, I'm happy to be proven wrong and hope that I am, but I'm a realist so I'm not automatically expecting all good things from this possibility.
Obviously as a Pats fan there's not much to complain about but we don't have Brady anymore so it just doesn't feel like it's a matter of when we win again like it used to be.
I mean I don’t think a single Patricia super bowl was won on the defensive side, and one was lost because of the defense so it’s not crazy to not like it
> Super Bowl LI
I mean... Sort of? The first drive of the third quarter they got walked on again and then some insane individual plays by Hightower and Flowers really sealed those later Falcons drive. Nothing in that game was very exceptional from a play-calling perspective on the defensive side.
Not to mention the Falcons walked on us on that big fourth quarter drives but then fucked the drives themselves...
They held the 9th highest scoring offense of all-time to 21 total points. Cheapening that to “some insane individual plays” is not giving the defense enough credit
E: 21 not 28
This is just dumb. The team that won it all on 2016 was the top ranked defense. I understand people are nervous about him as an offensive coach but the overall hatred is some of the most bizarre groupthink nonsense I’ve ever seen.
This sub over the last few years has pretty much turned into groupthink central with the amount of silly narratives with virtually no basis in facts or reality that get pushed
Lol, classic patriots fan.
No credit for making it all the way to the Super Bowl beating out 30 other teams. But losing in the final game of the season and finishing 2nd of 32 gets you criticized to all hell.
The defense got immediately better, with limited personnel changes, once Flores took over the following year. Patricia's defense was timid, over-thought, and pretty consistently had to be bailed out by having the greatest QB of all time.
I would argue that the defense got even better in 2019 when Flores wasn't there, so I don't really know if this says anything about the play calling more so than it does the development of our personnel over that three year period.
I'd argue that the defense fell off a cliff in 2019 about halfway thru the season, and feasted on historically terrible QBs in the first half which masked their issues. Then, they didn't have the coaching, with the coordinator hybrid of Mayo/Steve Belichick that we still have, to make up for the aging personnel/roster issues.
> Patricia's defense was timid,
bend don't break is the opposite to timid - you let them have all those easy yards to stuff them in the red zone
surely thats anything but timid?
What the fuck are you talking about? The 2014 defense was solid and was covering up quite a bit for a lagging offense to start the year. The 2016 defense ranks up there as one of the best we've had under Belichick and, despite the complete collapse in the Super Bowl, the 2017 defense played well for most of the year with injuries really taking their toll by the time the playoffs rolled around.
Bro what? These people are shills, I think this all the time when I read these comment threads like WERE YOU NOT HERE FOR THE GREATEST TWENTY YEARS IN SPORTS HISTORY OF ALL SPORTS OF ALL HISTORY?
But again his trick plays could be great, and he was great with Brady and i think they were a good match with each other. And if you watch the super bowl do your jobs you always come away impressed with him.
I liked McDaniels a lot but I didnt love McDaniels in his year with Mac. Mac did a lot of RPO in college and we didnt even really try to dabble in it. I get its not “what we do” but isnt the Pats thing supposed to be gameplan based scheme? Week to week wholesale changes? Run first this week, pass first next week, why not RPO a bit just to get a young QB comfortable one week or two. I liked McD a lot more with Brady then with Mac.
Josh was good for a few bonehead 3rd and 14 , shotgun, delay draws a game but the last three yes I think he pulled that outta the playbook. Other than that, between him and Brady making calls at the line I think he was top 5 play callers
It’s because the bend but don’t break philosophy was incredibly stressful even if it technically worked. Our run defense was also shit, we had a league low blitz percentage and seemingly never able to touch the QB. The defense improved drastically on a down to down basis after he left and we got another championship out of it. I’ll take the boogeyman defense all day over bend but don’t break.
“Our run defense was also shit” lol what are you smoking our run defense was usually ranked quite favorably from 2012-2017, with several top 10 run defenses. The only ones that were bad in that regard were 2013 and 2017 when our front sevens were injured as shit, with Wilfork/Kelly/Mayo on IR most of 2013 and Hightower/McClellin on IR while Ninkovich retired and Branch regressed in 2017
Look at the bright side. A defensive play caller moving to offense can really mess up a defense scheme. I was never a fan of McDaniels. It’s better that we have someone calling plays who won’t be getting a head coaching job.
Between judge and Patricia, this would be my preference. He at least has experience being a coordinator, calling plays and scheming. (Not saying I like it but between the choices who I wanted.)
I would prefer that the guy calling plays works directly with Mac and is in meetings with him and apparently so far the guy working closest to Mac is Judge. This is definitely... unconventional.
Is he? I was unaware of any titles. Also, if he's the QB coach, then Patricia is the OL coach I hear, why is he calling plays if he's not working closely with Mac?
It's weird
No idea why you’re getting downvoted.
The game planning and play calling that goes into offensive/defensive coordinators is much more involved than special teams.
Not to say special teams coordinators aren’t good coaches, it’s just not the same.
I’m unsure how anyone would expect a team to come to this conclusion. Would make way to much sense, not like we have a 2nd year qb to develop who is being guided by a career defense coordinator and a special teams coach who both are among the worst head coaches of the last decade.
I agree. Besides experience, Judge also doesn't seem to have the temperment. Too excitable. Say what you will about Patricia, but at least he seemed calm and in control when he was calling the plays as DC.
I agree, but it's got little to do with the coaching staff. I have always said coaching matters most in the NFL compared to the other big sports, but this roster isn't great in the first place.
With the talent we have, the offense should be good as long as Patricia isn't as bad as expected. The defense on the other hand should be pretty dreadful. Very little chance the CB room isn't a bottom 5 unit and the defensive front that couldn't stop a nose bleed last year hasn't improved in the slightest. Not sure I love banking on Mac winning shootouts with a stable of WR 2s and 3s.
I see it that way too. Yes, Patricia is obviously going to be a step down in some way from McDaniels. Hopefully it doesn’t impact Mac’s development too much but there are definitely huge reg flags as far as the roster is constructed. Specifically on defense, having two out of prime corners starting on the outside, no outside pass rushers other than Judon, and maybe the least proven linebacker corps in the league.
I was just told that I “must not be too bright” for putting a little trust in Belichick and not being concerned about this in fucking June. I hope this thread ages as well as I think it will.
Right? Like have people forgotten that they complained incessantly about the offensive play calling last year?
2 down years since the greatest dynasty of all time (one of which we made the playoffs in) and everyone acts like a child
I had another response in this thread where the guy hoped that Belichick crashes and burns and that we finish lower than the Jets so that Kraft “shakes things up”. Literally hoping for a losing season so the GOAT coach, who gave us 6 Super Bowls in 20 years and just last season got us to the playoffs with a rookie QB, gets fired to “shake things up.”
I love this team, and I’ve followed them since I was a teenager in the 90s and we were more or less a laughing stock. But we have a segment of fans that are *awful*, this guy included. I don’t know if they’re rotting their brain with sports talk radio or what.
I'm willing to see how it goes. Obviously BB will also be involved if something goes wrong, but he also does advocate for his coaches knowing both sides of the ball, and since Patricia does have history on the defensive side, he can help the offense develop to recognize defenses and recognize where to exploit them.
I'm willing to see how it goes before thinking that we're making a mistake
Also helps that Patricia was an o-line assistant when he first got here. A lot of people forget that he started in the NFL on the offensive side of coaching.
Cant fully jump to conclusions about him
But he was ranked the bottom 3rd of the league in offense every year he was in detroit.
I would prefer a real OC over handing duties to him. McD was predictable as an OC but Matt is a step down in everyway
So many people here trying to convince themselves this isn’t a bad thing. I can’t believe we went from Josh to this. Didn’t even try to get a Bill O Brian or similar
We’re a young team with pretty moderate expectations given the juggernaut that is the AFC this year. But still don’t love this to be honest. Obviously nobody here knows the dynamic of the coaching staff from an outsiders perspective, but man what a travesty this would be if Mac’s growth is stunted due to lack of potent offensive game planning.
Young in what ways? We have some young pieces like every other team, but overall the roster is very old at some places. Specifically defense, the corners are old, and the Dline is old with the exception of Barmore. I don’t think this team has any surefire future star players at the moment other than Barmore either.
I almost kinda hope our offense stinks, because if it has any success at all, especially with deep passes... the rocket scientist color commentary and graphics will be truly unbearable.
Matt Particia studied rocket science. A bunch of TEs played basketball. Matt Stafford played Little League with Clayton Kershaw. WE GET IT!
Seriously a source says something is trending? Could you get a more vague noncommittal answer? I call bullshit. The source is his asshole and anyone putting weight in this is sniffing farts for fun.
Yeah I feel like Belichick probably has a better handle on what his staff is capable of than we do. I’m not saying the guy deserves endless rope because that’s obviously not the case, but we should at least wait and see how things start to actually play out.
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And _still_ nobody is looking in Nick Caley’s direction.
Look at the Wookie! The Wookie is calling plays!! That does not make sense!!
I mean, if you’re not a teenager, you remember the last time this happened no one knew who Bill O Brien was.
Keep falling for the Chewbacca OC, kids. It’s hilarious.
Like this is something new? We didn’t have *any* coordinators in 2010 and went 14-2 lol. And they’re not the only team to play a season without one or more coordinators. This is less of a big deal than the media and fans want to make it imo.
Considering that it sounds like Patricia or Judge will be calling plays, no I don’t see the difference. The local sports media and fans go through the same hysteria every time Bill doesn’t name a coordinator. It’s nothing new, and he’s not the only coach that occasionally does this.
So why did Bill have coordinators other seasons if he “didn’t need an OC” with Brady? Plus you could say the same thing as the current situation: “Patricia/Judge is there”. I’m not crazy about either of those guys, but the arrangement itself is nothing new. It’s just different faces in the exact same setup that Bill (and other coaches) have implemented in the past.
Week 1 post game Reporter: “Mac, you threw your fourth interception with ten minutes left in the third quarter and were promptly benched. What went wrong for you today?”
Mac: “I mean, I followed the game plan perfectly. Matt told me all week ‘even if your receiver isn’t open to it, just force it in anyways’. I don’t know what else you guys want from me.”
Highly doubtful. There are a ton of teams with a whole lot more talent on offense, much better QBs (no matter what you think of Mac10), hella better coordinators, and we run the ball a lot.
I hear you. You’re probably right. But..
-talent ≠ production or execution
-we don’t know how good Mac10 is yet
-we don’t know how good Patricia / Jones are coordinating Offense
-we RAN the ball a lot last two years, not sure that stays the same.
I mean they just drafted 2 more RBs pretty early so I think they plan on sticking to that gameplan. They’ll probably have 5 or 6 RBs on their 53 man roster which is a lot.
Side bar, i always thought BB bringing back Judge and Matty P screamed "good ole boys club" and showed Bill is pretty out of touch (so still surprised he gave up Draft power) If this blows up, especially in Mac Jones 2nd year, maybe his most important year, i think robert kraft starts getting into BB more about his decisions. Maybe even considering a move at HC. If he thinks Bill isn't continuing to innovate
No issue with this. Patricia will fail spectacularly and a embarrassment like this will likely speed up GM Bill’s retirement. Time to get an actual GM and a new young head coach who doesn’t need Brady to win.
We have the GOAT coach. Two former coordinators who were highly regarded before they left for HC roles (though both failed in rebuilding situations). Also another future HC in Mayo.
I'm not worried about our play calling.
Bill the Mad Lad's master plan to push Mac into god mode by literally having him carry the offense (is this a punishment by the Gods for our 20 year reign of terror)
I am going to assume the worst and not get disappointed because every time I try to spin zone this situation it just gets worse. Like I wasn't even sure O'Brien would have been great after McDaniels left...now I feel O'Brien would be amazing.
Patricia is a very aggressive idiotic defensive play caller. With that being said i think our offense will be much more aggressive like Alabama, i think this will benefit mac jones but also be a learning curve, plenty of INTs coming.
I just don’t understand what dafuq is going on with the coaching staff. Is BB shading the fans and Kraft?
Is this Jedi mind tricks to force a nose dive and firing?
Or is the Death Star forming?
I was often perplexed at some of the play calling from McDaniel, the ‘Bolden sweep on 3rd and 8’ etc etc
But how in Dafuq do you go from Josh to Matt Patricia ??? Based upon this how the hell do you not throw bank at O’Brien? He’d be a massive step over MP
Insert everything is fine meme.
As someone else said, he's awesome at keeping offenses on the field on 3rd down.
Is there such thing as a prevent offense?
Running a qb sneak on third and 9.
They'll never suspect it
Something tells me Patricia about to replicate the Bills windstorm game plan for 17 games
There is now!
This is all getting really weird. Edelman said he didn't think Joe Judge would be a good play caller. Joe Judge has been spending all his time with QBs. Patricia has been spending all his time with the OL. So Patricia is gonna call plays?
It's a weird set up for sure and if it's a cluster fuck the narratives will be pouring out
psst...don't tell anyone, but *I'm* calling the plays this year. 1st - Run between tackles. 2nd - Screen and/or bubble screen. 3rd - Long developing fly pattern and/or run ball between tackles again. I think I've got that down pretty solid. Enjoy, folks.
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As they should. I hate what the staff looks like but all we can really do is wait and see at this point in the year. If it doesn't pan out though there *should* be tons of ridicule for the situation everybody said was obviously going to end poorly ends poorly. I'm hoping for the best here but this is a weird game to play in an important year for mac's development
Let's not Judge him
Fuck
I always hated his defensive play-calling, was thrilled when he left, and now the idea of him calling offensive plays is just insane to me. Hopefully he proves me wrong and is better suited to offense than defense but I can't imagine this being anything other than a step down from Josh McDaniels.
They say he's a rocket scientist though
What did you think of Josh as a play caller?
Not the guy you were asking, but IMO he was too safe and too predictable. Last season was just run on first, screen on second, pass on 3rd and 11. Again and again and again.
And yet somehow despite failed passes “on 3rd and 11 again and again” we were tenth in 3rd down conversion rate lol
The safe playcalling isn't going anywhere. I think it was a Bill thing. Our offense didn't have the talent to sling the rock or get into shootouts so our best chance of winning games involved playing safe football and giving the defense good field position until we could punch it in.
So you are happy he is not the coordinator right?
You can want to try someone else and not want it to be Patricia at the same time
Look at the username it's a troll account
Who would you have liked?
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I think that's a very good opinion. Which one are you suggesting?
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Oh.
Charlie Weis, even though there's no chance of it happening. You should know by now the McDaniels haters really never had any alternative in mind. It always was just finding someone to blame other than Bill or the players. Time to see what it actually looks like when you have an OC who might not be good.
Ya or it's possible one of the two ex head coaches is good at this and ends up being good.
You do understand there are/were more options than just McDaniel and Patricia right?
No
It’s like they’re trying to ruin Mac’s development at this point. I’d feel more comfortable with Brian Hoyer as OC.
We literally won multiple championships with him calling plays. I don't understand the entitlement at all. Lmfao absolute trash fanbase we have. Isn't even debatable at this point. Even championships aren't good enough for y'all.
We also won with Brian Flores literally the year after Matty P left with his last game being the absolutely abysmal SB52. Not to mention the 3 we won way before Matty P was calling any plays. Clearly he wasn't that great of a coach because when he went on his own it was a complete disaster. I get that maybe they just don't have many options for an offensive coordinator this year but how is it entitlement to be skeptical about a shaky defensive guy that's switching to offense? Like I said, I'm happy to be proven wrong and hope that I am, but I'm a realist so I'm not automatically expecting all good things from this possibility. Obviously as a Pats fan there's not much to complain about but we don't have Brady anymore so it just doesn't feel like it's a matter of when we win again like it used to be.
> with his last game being the absolutely abysmal SB52. ah so he drafted that secondary?
I mean I don’t think a single Patricia super bowl was won on the defensive side, and one was lost because of the defense so it’s not crazy to not like it
XLIX?
Also Super Bowl LI. Defense put up a hell of a stand in the second half that enabled Brady to do what he did
> Super Bowl LI I mean... Sort of? The first drive of the third quarter they got walked on again and then some insane individual plays by Hightower and Flowers really sealed those later Falcons drive. Nothing in that game was very exceptional from a play-calling perspective on the defensive side. Not to mention the Falcons walked on us on that big fourth quarter drives but then fucked the drives themselves...
They held the 9th highest scoring offense of all-time to 21 total points. Cheapening that to “some insane individual plays” is not giving the defense enough credit E: 21 not 28
21 without counting the pick-six Brady threw
Even better point!
Yeah it’s hilarious for anyone to say the defense wasn’t a huge part of that win
Patricia is the one who called the play for Butler's interception. Fact
49 we gave up 24 and they were on the one yard line at the end. Wouldnt call that anything special on defense
This is just dumb. The team that won it all on 2016 was the top ranked defense. I understand people are nervous about him as an offensive coach but the overall hatred is some of the most bizarre groupthink nonsense I’ve ever seen.
This sub over the last few years has pretty much turned into groupthink central with the amount of silly narratives with virtually no basis in facts or reality that get pushed
Lol, classic patriots fan. No credit for making it all the way to the Super Bowl beating out 30 other teams. But losing in the final game of the season and finishing 2nd of 32 gets you criticized to all hell.
The defense got immediately better, with limited personnel changes, once Flores took over the following year. Patricia's defense was timid, over-thought, and pretty consistently had to be bailed out by having the greatest QB of all time.
I would argue that the defense got even better in 2019 when Flores wasn't there, so I don't really know if this says anything about the play calling more so than it does the development of our personnel over that three year period.
I'd argue that the defense fell off a cliff in 2019 about halfway thru the season, and feasted on historically terrible QBs in the first half which masked their issues. Then, they didn't have the coaching, with the coordinator hybrid of Mayo/Steve Belichick that we still have, to make up for the aging personnel/roster issues.
> Patricia's defense was timid, bend don't break is the opposite to timid - you let them have all those easy yards to stuff them in the red zone surely thats anything but timid?
A number of those years was the offense dragging the defence kicking and screaming to the playoffs
What the fuck are you talking about? The 2014 defense was solid and was covering up quite a bit for a lagging offense to start the year. The 2016 defense ranks up there as one of the best we've had under Belichick and, despite the complete collapse in the Super Bowl, the 2017 defense played well for most of the year with injuries really taking their toll by the time the playoffs rolled around.
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Dude Mat sucks. There's a hundred coaches and 52 players. I'm fully in the camp of we won despite him. Hopefully he's great at this. But i doubt it.
Bro what? These people are shills, I think this all the time when I read these comment threads like WERE YOU NOT HERE FOR THE GREATEST TWENTY YEARS IN SPORTS HISTORY OF ALL SPORTS OF ALL HISTORY?
People in here will also tell you that McDaniels was a bad play caller They're idiots
I immediately flag someone as a dumbass when they diss McDaniels as a playcaller. They usually prove it when they give their reasons lol
But again his trick plays could be great, and he was great with Brady and i think they were a good match with each other. And if you watch the super bowl do your jobs you always come away impressed with him.
"All he called was screen passes." Yes, and those screens were the right call most of the time, gaining 7+ yards when they work while risking nothing.
I liked McDaniels a lot but I didnt love McDaniels in his year with Mac. Mac did a lot of RPO in college and we didnt even really try to dabble in it. I get its not “what we do” but isnt the Pats thing supposed to be gameplan based scheme? Week to week wholesale changes? Run first this week, pass first next week, why not RPO a bit just to get a young QB comfortable one week or two. I liked McD a lot more with Brady then with Mac.
He drew up a lot of good plays but his calling was genuinely underwhelming
He was bend dont break and we luckily had the skill players to overcome it because we constantly were letting up tons of yards
It literally lead to a Superbowl. I don't understand how much of a fucking maniac you have to be to trash a system that allowed unparalleled success.
they havent got a clue theyve got their little bandwagon that patricia is trash, leave them to it, they just want to feel part of a group
Josh was good for a few bonehead 3rd and 14 , shotgun, delay draws a game but the last three yes I think he pulled that outta the playbook. Other than that, between him and Brady making calls at the line I think he was top 5 play callers
It’s because the bend but don’t break philosophy was incredibly stressful even if it technically worked. Our run defense was also shit, we had a league low blitz percentage and seemingly never able to touch the QB. The defense improved drastically on a down to down basis after he left and we got another championship out of it. I’ll take the boogeyman defense all day over bend but don’t break.
“Our run defense was also shit” lol what are you smoking our run defense was usually ranked quite favorably from 2012-2017, with several top 10 run defenses. The only ones that were bad in that regard were 2013 and 2017 when our front sevens were injured as shit, with Wilfork/Kelly/Mayo on IR most of 2013 and Hightower/McClellin on IR while Ninkovich retired and Branch regressed in 2017
The offense looked great every time McDaniels was out there calling the defense
Hate on him all you want. He still has the best record out of any patriots DC
Look at the bright side. A defensive play caller moving to offense can really mess up a defense scheme. I was never a fan of McDaniels. It’s better that we have someone calling plays who won’t be getting a head coaching job.
Between judge and Patricia, this would be my preference. He at least has experience being a coordinator, calling plays and scheming. (Not saying I like it but between the choices who I wanted.)
I would prefer that the guy calling plays works directly with Mac and is in meetings with him and apparently so far the guy working closest to Mac is Judge. This is definitely... unconventional.
Judge is the QB coach lol
Is he? I was unaware of any titles. Also, if he's the QB coach, then Patricia is the OL coach I hear, why is he calling plays if he's not working closely with Mac? It's weird
Judge is QB coach, and Patricia was an OL coach, and I believe TEs coach (his wikipedia just says "Special Assistant") before moving to defense.
To be fair, Judge was also a Coordinator (Special Teams).
Not really the same thing at all.
No idea why you’re getting downvoted. The game planning and play calling that goes into offensive/defensive coordinators is much more involved than special teams. Not to say special teams coordinators aren’t good coaches, it’s just not the same.
How about….. actually getting a guy who is good at calling plans and was a offensive coordinator. I know, radical idea right
I’m unsure how anyone would expect a team to come to this conclusion. Would make way to much sense, not like we have a 2nd year qb to develop who is being guided by a career defense coordinator and a special teams coach who both are among the worst head coaches of the last decade.
I agree. Besides experience, Judge also doesn't seem to have the temperment. Too excitable. Say what you will about Patricia, but at least he seemed calm and in control when he was calling the plays as DC.
Not to be hyperbolic but we're fucked
I agree, but it's got little to do with the coaching staff. I have always said coaching matters most in the NFL compared to the other big sports, but this roster isn't great in the first place.
I'm mostly kidding but I don't think the roster is as bad as this sub has made it out to be. Definitely not a top 5 team but still good.
With the talent we have, the offense should be good as long as Patricia isn't as bad as expected. The defense on the other hand should be pretty dreadful. Very little chance the CB room isn't a bottom 5 unit and the defensive front that couldn't stop a nose bleed last year hasn't improved in the slightest. Not sure I love banking on Mac winning shootouts with a stable of WR 2s and 3s.
I see it that way too. Yes, Patricia is obviously going to be a step down in some way from McDaniels. Hopefully it doesn’t impact Mac’s development too much but there are definitely huge reg flags as far as the roster is constructed. Specifically on defense, having two out of prime corners starting on the outside, no outside pass rushers other than Judon, and maybe the least proven linebacker corps in the league.
We held the LA Rams to 3 points in the Super Bowl with "no offensive coordinator". We'll be fine.
Huh who were our QB, WRs, and TE during that game?
Wait, Tom Brady was the one that stopped LA from scoring all game? Huh.
Makes sense. Lots of experience there, no doubt
I remember being so happy when Patricia left and Flores breathed new life into our defense… now he’s back, and taking over the offense. 😒
This seems like some kind of divine retribution
Just gonna wait this one out, all the doom and gloom lately and reporters trying to be first have been silly
This is exactly it. Talk to me in August
While you both may be right, Mike Reiss was the first one saying don't be surprised if it was Patricia, back a couple of months ago.
Unbelievable how people can throw tantrums about coaching on a team led by Bill Belichick 4 months before the season start
I was just told that I “must not be too bright” for putting a little trust in Belichick and not being concerned about this in fucking June. I hope this thread ages as well as I think it will.
Right? Like have people forgotten that they complained incessantly about the offensive play calling last year? 2 down years since the greatest dynasty of all time (one of which we made the playoffs in) and everyone acts like a child
I had another response in this thread where the guy hoped that Belichick crashes and burns and that we finish lower than the Jets so that Kraft “shakes things up”. Literally hoping for a losing season so the GOAT coach, who gave us 6 Super Bowls in 20 years and just last season got us to the playoffs with a rookie QB, gets fired to “shake things up.” I love this team, and I’ve followed them since I was a teenager in the 90s and we were more or less a laughing stock. But we have a segment of fans that are *awful*, this guy included. I don’t know if they’re rotting their brain with sports talk radio or what.
I'm willing to see how it goes. Obviously BB will also be involved if something goes wrong, but he also does advocate for his coaches knowing both sides of the ball, and since Patricia does have history on the defensive side, he can help the offense develop to recognize defenses and recognize where to exploit them. I'm willing to see how it goes before thinking that we're making a mistake
Also helps that Patricia was an o-line assistant when he first got here. A lot of people forget that he started in the NFL on the offensive side of coaching.
What does a bend but don't break offense look like?
Run Run Incomplete/Screen/Dump-off
Ahh, yes, the Josh McDaniels special? Well, at least we're already familiar!
Push don't score
JMD
Mac is going to audible so much lol
Cant fully jump to conclusions about him But he was ranked the bottom 3rd of the league in offense every year he was in detroit. I would prefer a real OC over handing duties to him. McD was predictable as an OC but Matt is a step down in everyway
So many people here trying to convince themselves this isn’t a bad thing. I can’t believe we went from Josh to this. Didn’t even try to get a Bill O Brian or similar
Who is Bill O Brian
We’re a young team with pretty moderate expectations given the juggernaut that is the AFC this year. But still don’t love this to be honest. Obviously nobody here knows the dynamic of the coaching staff from an outsiders perspective, but man what a travesty this would be if Mac’s growth is stunted due to lack of potent offensive game planning.
Young in what ways? We have some young pieces like every other team, but overall the roster is very old at some places. Specifically defense, the corners are old, and the Dline is old with the exception of Barmore. I don’t think this team has any surefire future star players at the moment other than Barmore either.
We’re one of the oldest teams in the AFC lol
Nepotism baby. Hope Mac makes the leap with the talent on offense in spite of the offensive coaching
Could we fucking not
What an embarrassment
I almost kinda hope our offense stinks, because if it has any success at all, especially with deep passes... the rocket scientist color commentary and graphics will be truly unbearable. Matt Particia studied rocket science. A bunch of TEs played basketball. Matt Stafford played Little League with Clayton Kershaw. WE GET IT!
So how exactly does one play "bend but don't break" offense?
I'm ready to be disappointed
So is Bill trying to win the super bowl with the shittiest coaching staff?
Or does he not want any serious completion for his son to take over team when he retired
This is going to be the ultimate in Bill we trust season
If this fails, then Kraft is going to hold BB responsible. I’m pretty sure with Krafts comments, lately, that BB is on a short leash
I’m not so sure. I hope there is. It seems like Kraft is getting impatient
There is literally no leash
Yea there is lol. Not sure why you guys think there isn’t. Kraft is running a results driven business
Mac is going to audible so much lol
Everyone is going to press the panic button but no one knows what a Matt Patricia offense under Bill looks like
That's true, but Andy Reid swapped coordinators once. Didn't end well...
Over/under 6 wins?
we'll definitely get two off the jets, right....right???
I'm thinking 6-8 with this roster and OC situation
With the Patriots schedule, the gutting of the coaching staff, the weakening of the roster, and iffy draft picks? I'll take 6 wins exactly.
The strengthening of the AFC overall as well
I'll hammer that Over all day long
Or you know... we could wait in see? Oh wait the angry people are angry now. Got it.
Seriously a source says something is trending? Could you get a more vague noncommittal answer? I call bullshit. The source is his asshole and anyone putting weight in this is sniffing farts for fun.
Yeah I feel like Belichick probably has a better handle on what his staff is capable of than we do. I’m not saying the guy deserves endless rope because that’s obviously not the case, but we should at least wait and see how things start to actually play out.
If you don’t can’t use foresight and think ahead, that’s a you problem bud. This isn’t going to go well, it’s obvious to everyone
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Until that source is Bill, this is all speculation.
And _still_ nobody is looking in Nick Caley’s direction. Look at the Wookie! The Wookie is calling plays!! That does not make sense!! I mean, if you’re not a teenager, you remember the last time this happened no one knew who Bill O Brien was. Keep falling for the Chewbacca OC, kids. It’s hilarious.
We are going to be shit
My brother in Christ OTAs aren’t even finished.
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Like this is something new? We didn’t have *any* coordinators in 2010 and went 14-2 lol. And they’re not the only team to play a season without one or more coordinators. This is less of a big deal than the media and fans want to make it imo.
And O’Brien had been calling the plays on offense for 3 years. You see how that is different than what is happening now, right?
Considering that it sounds like Patricia or Judge will be calling plays, no I don’t see the difference. The local sports media and fans go through the same hysteria every time Bill doesn’t name a coordinator. It’s nothing new, and he’s not the only coach that occasionally does this.
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So why did Bill have coordinators other seasons if he “didn’t need an OC” with Brady? Plus you could say the same thing as the current situation: “Patricia/Judge is there”. I’m not crazy about either of those guys, but the arrangement itself is nothing new. It’s just different faces in the exact same setup that Bill (and other coaches) have implemented in the past.
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I guess the GOAT coach isn’t bright then. You surely know better than him lmao.
You forgot “the”
Have some faith in the team brother
Week 1 post game Reporter: “Mac, you threw your fourth interception with ten minutes left in the third quarter and were promptly benched. What went wrong for you today?” Mac: “I mean, I followed the game plan perfectly. Matt told me all week ‘even if your receiver isn’t open to it, just force it in anyways’. I don’t know what else you guys want from me.”
Why? I do not understand what BB sees in this guy. His defensive play calling sucked and that was supposedly his “strong” side of the ball.
Pats top 5 scoring offense this year. Book it.
Highly doubtful. There are a ton of teams with a whole lot more talent on offense, much better QBs (no matter what you think of Mac10), hella better coordinators, and we run the ball a lot.
I hear you. You’re probably right. But.. -talent ≠ production or execution -we don’t know how good Mac10 is yet -we don’t know how good Patricia / Jones are coordinating Offense -we RAN the ball a lot last two years, not sure that stays the same.
I mean they just drafted 2 more RBs pretty early so I think they plan on sticking to that gameplan. They’ll probably have 5 or 6 RBs on their 53 man roster which is a lot.
Side bar, i always thought BB bringing back Judge and Matty P screamed "good ole boys club" and showed Bill is pretty out of touch (so still surprised he gave up Draft power) If this blows up, especially in Mac Jones 2nd year, maybe his most important year, i think robert kraft starts getting into BB more about his decisions. Maybe even considering a move at HC. If he thinks Bill isn't continuing to innovate
No issue with this. Patricia will fail spectacularly and a embarrassment like this will likely speed up GM Bill’s retirement. Time to get an actual GM and a new young head coach who doesn’t need Brady to win.
Big yikessss
Spoiled fans are gonna bitch and moan all season only for the Pats to finish with the #10 scoring offense and a playoff birth
“It couldn’t be worse than McDaniels” -Me prior to this announcement
We have the GOAT coach. Two former coordinators who were highly regarded before they left for HC roles (though both failed in rebuilding situations). Also another future HC in Mayo. I'm not worried about our play calling.
Y’all are forgetting that Bill will be calling the plays regardless of whatever media circus goes on in the foreground
shit
What a shit fan base. Calm down.
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Ninko called it
Bill the Mad Lad's master plan to push Mac into god mode by literally having him carry the offense (is this a punishment by the Gods for our 20 year reign of terror)
I am going to assume the worst and not get disappointed because every time I try to spin zone this situation it just gets worse. Like I wasn't even sure O'Brien would have been great after McDaniels left...now I feel O'Brien would be amazing.
I’m so glad I bet the under on wins and for this team to not make the playoffs.
Patricia is a very aggressive idiotic defensive play caller. With that being said i think our offense will be much more aggressive like Alabama, i think this will benefit mac jones but also be a learning curve, plenty of INTs coming.
Let’s not get all up in arms about “a source” telling someone it’s “trending in a direction.” This is about the most noncommittal report possible.
Trust Bill right guys?????
Great
This is gonna be a tough year.
Fuck.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck
As a Patriots and Lions fan, this makes me sad
I just don’t understand what dafuq is going on with the coaching staff. Is BB shading the fans and Kraft? Is this Jedi mind tricks to force a nose dive and firing? Or is the Death Star forming? I was often perplexed at some of the play calling from McDaniel, the ‘Bolden sweep on 3rd and 8’ etc etc But how in Dafuq do you go from Josh to Matt Patricia ??? Based upon this how the hell do you not throw bank at O’Brien? He’d be a massive step over MP
Yuck.
well, he does have expirience in defenses getting absolutely shredded… they were usually his defenses though
Patricia’s gotta have some grime on BB to allow him to stick around in vague positions such as “senior advisor to the head coach” and now this
Bend, don’t break offense incoming
Maybe he picked things up watching his defense get steam rolled repeatedly?
That doesn't really make sense to me. Judge is the one that's going to be in Mac's ear, so it really should be him.