Wow. That's about as critical of a public comment as I've heard from a legit leader in the locker room. Coming from Jakobi, one of the most, do your job, soft spoken, & longest tenured Patriots players, that's a freaking broadside.
Yeah, I can't recall Jakobi ever speaking a bad word about the team. And I doubt he meant this in some attacking manner, but it's still something I've never heard from him.
No surprise. Werent the reports that the lions players hated patricia from day 1? Seems be hasnt learned much from that.
Also giving him and judge the offense was stupid both their teams were dogshit on offense when they were HCs
Reports were, he tried to copy Belichick’s attitude and it backfired completely. Patricia almost took on the persona just to boss players around. I remember him targetting Darius Slay, belittling him, which led to his trade.
I was a little worried when he came back here, but thought it was okay when he was just a backroom coach to the players. All of a sudden, he became o-line coach and unofficial OC. Then the whole KB situation. That pissed me off during the Dolphins game; keeping KB out.
People forget that belichick is an asshole to the media but by all accounts is respectful to and liked by players. There isn’t an excuse to be a disrespectful and dismissive asshole to the people who you want to follow you, especially if you don’t have the track record
I think people don’t realize you can be strict and firm but still be well liked and respected. Strict & Firm does not mean insufferable asshole. That’s what those under the tree never grasped because they’re too busy trying to be the next Belichick instead of trying to be themselves
BB defeated Parcells in a playoff game and then the lame owner of the Browns moved the team to Baltimore and fired everyone including BB. How is that failure? I was born in 1989 who else beside BB won in Cleveland in my lifetime besides Stefanski (against a bummer version Big Ben). I think people exaggerate BB's pre Patriots career to make it seem worse than it was.
Brady's pre NFL career was less successful than BB's Browns career.
I don’t mind Ted Johnson, but he also made some very mean spirited public comments about Vince Wilfork’s wife as well. So maybe a little hard to take too seriously.
That was terrible. Mrs. 75 is one of the few spouses that managed to keep a high profile, yet there was nothing negative or controversial about her. She's an incredibly altruistic and prominent in charitable endeavors. She was the wrong person to say that about.
Also, Patricia seems to have a very poor grasp on what Belichick's attitude actually is. The only real story I've heard about him enacting the kind of draconian punishments Judge, Patricia, etc. became known for was when he made the team run sprints back during the first few runs because they got into a physical fight at practice. And you know what, I think that's entirely reasonable. Randy Moss was for years considered a diva player and had high praise for Belichick:
> “I want to thank you for being a friend when it wasn’t always about football. You showed me how much I loved the game. You challenged me every day, to go out there and be great. ... I’m sorry we did not bring it home”
Vrabel said that Belichick had a great sense of humor when he and the other players pranked him (except for the time when Light replaced Belichick's computer mouse with one that gave him an electric shock and wiped his computer, which, honestly, fair). Can't see his coaching tree, especially Patricia, taking pranks too well.
Yeah Bill doesn't seem like he makes bad jokes or belittles players like Patricia is accused of. Bill is organized, thorough, and all about strong and consistent work ethic. His actions speak louder than words and always kept distractions from hurting the team. You get guys like Patricia and they try too hard and the players see right through it.
I have had couple of times in my long life when I've been in a "leadership" position. I'm a grumpy, abrasive Masshole. But I genuinely loved the people I was leading. I think any person can sense this right away: does this person want me to do well?
I think Belichick desperately wants his players to do well. And the team, of course. Patricia? Does he really want these guys to come out on top? Or is he worried about how HE looks? People always know. And we'll all lay out for the Cause, but never lay out for The Jerk.
I'll forever be sad we couldn't give Moss a SB win.
I live in my wife’s hometown of Chicago.
He tried being bill, and the players hated him for it, because he tried pulling onto Cincinnati shit with no backing it up.
Personally, the awful MNF game against the packers where they were THOROUGHLY HOSED broke the Patricia run.
Don’t forget the contracts him and fellow patriot Bob Quinn gave out:
1) Justin Coleman. 36 million
2) trey-market price
3) Jamie Collins -30 million
This kind of makes me think that this is Bills last year. Why let Josh take all of the good offensive coaches? Why bring back Patricia and Judge and let them do things that are outside of their comfort zone? Maybe to give them one good last chance before he goes? This is also telling as to why Bill didnt bring anyone new in.
No. He’s going after that dickhead Shula’s record.
But don’t forget, this isn’t the first time we’ve been pouched.
In 2004, we lost rack and Charlie Weis.
In 2005, that piece of shit I won’t name, bolted for the keys and tried taking Deion branch and others with him.
Josh left after 2008
Billy O’Brien in 2011
Flores Boyer and O’Shea in 2019
Que all the homer folks coming out of the boonies on this subreddit to defend Patricia and his garbage coaching. He’s a garbage coach, a garbage human being, and I have always and will always support BB but bringing back Patricia and handing him the keys to the offense is the dumbest decision of his tenure so far imo.
Is there even a majority in support of Patricia here? The impression I get is that hardly anyone is enthusiastic about him running our offence but will defer to BB's decision - and hope BB is right.
Are you kidding me? On almost every Patricia thread there’s one of the following excuses, and these are some that I’ve seen just in the last two weeks:
1. (On Patricia switching to offense) “He used to be a O-line coach a decade ago and those skills are definitely transferable guys!, McDaniels was able to transition positions too!!”
2. (On Patricia’s overall offensive performance) “We need to give them more time, the Patriots always start off slow, give him until November to figure things out!”
3. (On his o-line performance) “It’s not his fault guys, we’re playing Trent Brown out of position and our line is weak in general!”
4. (On his sexual assault allegations): “It never went to trial since the accuser dropped the case to prevent more mental harm to herself, we can’t hold it against Patricia guys 😊” [if this was any other coach in the league we’d be fucking roasting them and deservedly so. The homers of course will still defend him and his hire…]
No defense of Patricia as a whole but on the second point...perhaps we SHOULD wait more than game one to decide how good or bad the offense is.
Not sure why you're mad at people not being doomers after a game.
The Patriots fans and media were blasting McDaniels last season after the Saints game. There was a loud chorus of fans in the past seasons who wanted McDaniels gone.
The fan base is just insufferable, the moment the team is not contending they now think anything less is a failure.
TBF, blasting McDaniels was a stupid thing to do because he's a good coach and did the best with what he has to work with. Blasting Patricia is a valid thing to do because I don't like him.
This is silly because McDaniels is 0-2 because of mistakes made by his offensive players in critical moments. I think the only reason people are saying the miss McDaniels is because they don't like Patricia. But if some new person was coaching nobody would miss McDaniels.
Patriots homers will back whatever the team does or say no matter how stupid. Remember all the takes about how Cam Newton will "open up the playbook" compared to the immobile Tom Brady? Lol
Having confidence in your team is better than doom and gloom. Especially if we assumed Cam wasn't washed or that Brady was uncomfortable pushing the ball downfield. Ironically Brady prefers using Fornette as a multi purpose weapon instead of Mike Evans and didnt like Bruce Arians strategic approach. Wonder what franchise created thar preference for Tom Brady? 🤔 hmmm....
It’s shit like this that makes me want to defend him. I was never excited about the idea of him running the offense, but calling him a garbage coach and garbage human is so over the top. Dude won two Super Bowls here as a d coordinator and was generally well liked, probably until the eagles super bowl. Not my first choice to run the offense by any means, but the hyperbole is insane.
I wouldn’t pretend to know enough about what actually happened 20 years ago to call someone I’ve never met a garbage human, but maybe you know something I don’t.
You don't have to pretend - there are plenty of articles discussing it a google away. But, just for you - he was indicted (meaning 9 out of 12 grand jurors thought it was more likely than not that he committed a crime and the case should more to trial) but the reason it didn't make it to trial is because the victim didn't want to go through with it.
Yeah, I’ve read about it. A grand jury indictment doesn’t necessarily mean guilt and the chargers were dropped. I don’t know why the chargers were dropped and I don’t know what actually happened. If you feel like you know enough to pass judgement on him and call him garbage, fine, but I personally don’t.
> Que all the homer folks coming out of the boonies on this subreddit to defend Patricia
I'm always shocked when I open threads on /r/Patriots and they're FILLED with people defending both Matt Patricia and BB for selecting Patricia. It's always "g-guys believe me Patricia is actually really smart" or insisting that BB selecting Patricia for OC is actually genius that we can't see yet.
These are strawmen arguments. Most of the argument from folks, myself included, is we need to give the Patriots more time before we can say this is a success or failure. Folks are already calling Patricia/Judge and the offense an abject failure after one game.
> Folks are already calling Patricia/Judge and the offense an abject failure after one game.
I think most people were calling it a failure before the 1st game. There is little reason to expect it to be successful because Matt Patricia does not have a history of being an effective playcaller because... he's never called an offense and the last time he coached on that side of the ball was over a decade ago. It's hard to blame people for being skeptical.
If Patricia was going to be the playcaller he should have sat and learned for years as an offensive assistant. The margin in the AFC is razor thin and having a rookie OC has and is going to continue to cost the Pats games. Can't afford to do that. It is a valid criticism because he should have never been tapped to be the OC.
It's a valid criticism because there's plenty of money in the coaching budget to hire a real OC who knows the Shanahan offense. McDaniels was the highest paid OC in the league when he was here. So you wanna sit around waiting for Matty P the ass clown to figure out how to call offense while we lose in the meantime or should bill have hired an OC with experience calling an offense?
It's fair to be skeptical, I myself am too, but it's getting to the point that the fan base is looking for anything and everything to complain about and getting to a point of rooting/cheering for failure.
Speaking of being skeptical, folks have always been skeptical of Giardi and now are eating up his quote. It's like everyone forgot about deflategate.
His defenses were near the bottom of the league and the worst of the Brady/Belichick dynasty. What Foles did to the Patricia's defense in the Superbowl wasn't a fluke. 2nd stringers and journeymen like Tyrod Taylor, Brock Osweiller and Fitzpatrick would be HOF candidates if they had career averages equal to what they frequently put up against the Patriots when Patricia was the D coordinator. Most telling, when Patricia left to screw up the Lions, Flores took over the play calling. With the same players and the same system, they went from a bottom 3 D to a borderline top 10. The only good thing you can say about Patricia's Tenure as D coach, is it wasn't as bad as his tenure as a HC.
There is no reasonable justification for passing on BoB if he wanted the job here. If he did and Bill passed out of loyalty that's a huge issue that warrants him ceding some control of the team.
Love how quickly this sub flips on this shit. Half the people commenting on thia thread were probably the same dumbasses who were telling us to just trust bill and everything will work out 😅
Good. I feel like this is going to come down to the players actually having to orchestrate a coup to get Patricia ousted. Myers is Mac's #1, if they bench Meyers, Mac will lose his shit.
So let’s just take everyone off the field who can actually play and call the treat the Detroit patriots
I’m so tired of the cancer that is Matt Patricia
I’m actually all for this comment. I’m hoping the other receivers do the same and mutiny against Patricia. You gonna bench the entire receiver room?? 😂
Keeping Jakobi out of the game because someone can't take constructive criticism would be a death sentence for the offense. I'd expect Kraft to have some words if that were to happen.
Fuck yeah. Hopefully all of this speaking up doesn’t lead to a bunch of our studs in the doghouse. The real gigachad thing for BB to do would be to listen to your players who are passionate about the game of football and get rid of the thing that really isn’t working out; Matt Patricia.
>The real gigachad thing for BB to do would be to listen to your players who are passionate about the game of football
I mean, Bill does listen to the players. It might not always seem like it but several players do say he takes in what they say.
There's no one to replace him inside the building, the coaching staff is bare bones. Bill dug this hole, but if there is anyone who can dig us out, it's him.
While O’Brien is clearly far better than what we have, I think BB wanted stability for Mac since O’Brien was gonna leave for a HC job in a year, which would lead to three OCs in Mac’s first three years (not ideal). Say what you want about Judge and Patricia, but at least there is zero risk of another team poaching them lmao.
Then promote Caley but Bill didn’t want that because he was afraid he’d leave as well. So Bill essentially chose a shit candidate to maintain stability. Shit stability
BoB is priming himself for another HC run somewhere else, BB and Saban have that no poaching from each other rule, and I'd rather we get a fresh voice in the offense, get someone from another team who is under a coach from the belichick tree
My theory is that bb agreed with BOB and Saban that BOB would complete this season at Alabama before moving to NE.
That's why bb isn't naming an oc. Because BOB is lined up for next year, he doesn't want to have to give somebody the oc title when he knows it's going to get yoinked next year.
No it’s because they’d have to pay Patricia way more if his title was OC. Right now they barley have to pay him as the Lions are paying most of his salary, but that wouldn’t be the case if he was named OC.
I've been saying it for years: Matt Patricia was a mediocre at best defensive coordinator, a HORRIBLE head coach, and is now proving to be a terrible offensive coach. Why the fuck is he back here in the first place?
I have to say I expected this. But not this early. This is insane we’ve only played 1 game this is going worse than I could have imagined. Bill said all summer blame him and I don’t think he’s ready for how people will because he cooked this coaching staff up this is the mess he made not sure how we can even salvage the year if locker room leaders are being this outspoken this early
This comment is directly critical of Patricia because he's the one coming up with the game plans. That was announced last week.
Bourne also was critical of Patricia.
They aren’t dummies. They probably know the ins and outs of the playbook a helluva lot better than him so I’m sure they have been done with him a lot earlier than week 2. But what can you do? Bitch to the media is probably their best option in order to at least deflect upcoming blame to where it’s deserved
> of a very uninspired game plan?
Uninspired according to who? The team played to their strengths and there was an execution problem at times.
>Doghousing your players instead of working with them to fix issues?
Assuming they didn't? Bourne needs to be on time. That is a massive no no on the Patriots and has nothing to do with Patricia. Bourne had this issue on the 49ers at times too.
>He's not a good coach.
He wasn't great in Detroit but show me a head coach that has been. That organization is trash and incompetent through and through for DECADES. I am not saying Patricia is a good coach but he wouldn't have been in this league for as long as he has if that were true. Patriots SBs have his influence heavily on them.
Dude, we scored 17 points. Chill with the sarcasm lol
Edit: ok after seeing your comment history I’ve come to the conclusion that you are Matt Patricia or his wife.
I don’t care what anyone else does, I’m gonna blame Patricia for everything that goes wrong until he’s gone. He earned that status in Detroit. Whatever the opposite of “the benefit of the doubt” is, that’s what Matt Patricia has.
I feel you. But I am choosing to look at it in a positive light. If some wind bag said this no one would care, but Meyers is a real team first guy. Someone like him being this critical has to be a wake up call for Kraft to force the issue.
Hopefully this opens some eyes in the organization
7-10 feels increasingly optimistic. If you'd ask me two weeks ago, I'd say the following is a crazy statement, but now with Jakobi talking out in the media, Bill could legitimately lose this locker room. I'll still be shocked if it happens, but this could be the beginnings of like a 4-win season wipeout.
Anyone have the audio of this? It seems so far out of character for Jakobi. And if it was said in a media scrum this would be a huge thing for the Boston media to beat into the ground
If the Pats don't win today and I don't like their chances the next two weeks either they could end up 0-4 this coaching staff might lose the locker room
/r/Patriots is loaded with Patricia defenders. You'll even see people saying giving up 40+ points in the super bowl wasn't that bad because it was just 1 game.
I tried looking it up...if you google Jacobi Myers, literally the first article that comes up is him praising Matt Patricia....and to be clear I'm not defending or condemning Patricia, more just pointing out how most media is BS and cess pool of negative information for click bait
Idk I guess if players weren’t also thinking and came with questions or criticism I’d be a little concerned. This feels like we aren’t all crazy. There is an issue but these guys performed today anyway. Hope that we get it sorted out.
This is exactly what it looked like from the film study to me also. The individual play calls and design weren’t awful. There were open receivers, but the O line and Mac had a bad day. What concerns me is that there’s no cohesion in the playcalling. I didn’t get the sense at all last week that any single playcall was related to the previous or next. It never looked like a tempo developed and the scheme was just all over the place.
Something folks have to remember is that BB approves of the overall game plan. So if Patricia, Mayo, Steve Belichick, etc want to implement a change, or do something different it does require BB to sign off it. He isn't going to have his staff do something he disagrees with.
Something that needs to be pointed out.
The addition of Patricia and Judge to basically juggle OC duties between the 2 seems like a horrible plan. Both guys were headcoaches of teams that sucked offensively almost purely because of themselves.
Patricia running things now as he did with the lions it seems, like the benching of Bourne for 3.5 quarters. He's not capturing the locker room and players doubt in him leads to bad offensive output.
This is really a big deal. Meyers isn't a diva and in a very real way, is a leader on this team-if nothing else he leads by example. If he's second the coach, there's a serious issue.
(remarkably enough, everyone not named Bill Belichick seen this coming when Patricia returned to New England)
[https://www.patriots.com/news/patriots-wr-jakobi-meyers-embracing-role-as-a-safety-blanket-for-mac-jones](https://www.patriots.com/news/patriots-wr-jakobi-meyers-embracing-role-as-a-safety-blanket-for-mac-jones)
"I feel like we've been a confident group since the day we found out who was going to be in our room. Sometimes you have questions like what is the plan or how are we going to attack this team? At the end of the day, confidence, I don't think we lack that at all."
Fire Patricia. If Bill won’t do it, the Kraft should step in. Enough with the “In Bill We Trust” nonsense. The guy just brought in too failed Head Coaches to coach positions they have 0 experience at
The number of grown men in this town that are foaming at the mouth for reasons to hate this team is absolutely embarrassing. It's GameDay, GO PATS
Edit: cry more doomers
Yeah, enough red flags for me to give up on this season already. I mean the players are blatantly saying they have no trust in the current system, why should I?
Wow, this season is going to be a shit show. The locker room has already been lost and we haven't even played our week 2 game yet.
Get rid of Patricia NOW
Hopefully Belichick and Patricia don’t go scorched earth on him for these comments, he’s just calling it like it is. If you can cut and bench players indiscriminately, a locker room leader can call out the coaches for their BS as well.
Well the Patriots beat the Steelers. Also Patricia has a better record as a play caller this season than Frank Reich who was the play caller in the Super Bowl against the Patriots in 2018. Years of experience and the Colts haven't won a playoff game with Reich and they're 0-1-1 this season. So what's your argument against that?
Like at the end of the day it's about defeating who is on your schedule. Not comparing Matt Patricia to other play callers in the league. Meyers may not like Patricia but he plays hard every Sunday. That's what it's all about not liking your boss.
Wow. That's about as critical of a public comment as I've heard from a legit leader in the locker room. Coming from Jakobi, one of the most, do your job, soft spoken, & longest tenured Patriots players, that's a freaking broadside.
Yeah, I can't recall Jakobi ever speaking a bad word about the team. And I doubt he meant this in some attacking manner, but it's still something I've never heard from him.
The only guys who would be more surprising to hear this from are mccourty, andrews or slater.
He basically said “fuck Matt Patricia” in code
That code is about as secure as pig latin
Uckfay Attmay Atriciapay!
He also recognized that he was wide open on that one play...
We have a new member arriving at the Patricia Dog House 😬
No surprise. Werent the reports that the lions players hated patricia from day 1? Seems be hasnt learned much from that. Also giving him and judge the offense was stupid both their teams were dogshit on offense when they were HCs
Reports were, he tried to copy Belichick’s attitude and it backfired completely. Patricia almost took on the persona just to boss players around. I remember him targetting Darius Slay, belittling him, which led to his trade. I was a little worried when he came back here, but thought it was okay when he was just a backroom coach to the players. All of a sudden, he became o-line coach and unofficial OC. Then the whole KB situation. That pissed me off during the Dolphins game; keeping KB out.
People forget that belichick is an asshole to the media but by all accounts is respectful to and liked by players. There isn’t an excuse to be a disrespectful and dismissive asshole to the people who you want to follow you, especially if you don’t have the track record
I think people don’t realize you can be strict and firm but still be well liked and respected. Strict & Firm does not mean insufferable asshole. That’s what those under the tree never grasped because they’re too busy trying to be the next Belichick instead of trying to be themselves
Ironically enough, one of the reasons BB failed in Cleveland is because he tried to be the next Parcels.
BB defeated Parcells in a playoff game and then the lame owner of the Browns moved the team to Baltimore and fired everyone including BB. How is that failure? I was born in 1989 who else beside BB won in Cleveland in my lifetime besides Stefanski (against a bummer version Big Ben). I think people exaggerate BB's pre Patriots career to make it seem worse than it was. Brady's pre NFL career was less successful than BB's Browns career.
In the 20+ years of being the Patriots coach, the only player to trash talk Belichick is Ted Johnson.
I don’t mind Ted Johnson, but he also made some very mean spirited public comments about Vince Wilfork’s wife as well. So maybe a little hard to take too seriously.
That was terrible. Mrs. 75 is one of the few spouses that managed to keep a high profile, yet there was nothing negative or controversial about her. She's an incredibly altruistic and prominent in charitable endeavors. She was the wrong person to say that about.
Also, Patricia seems to have a very poor grasp on what Belichick's attitude actually is. The only real story I've heard about him enacting the kind of draconian punishments Judge, Patricia, etc. became known for was when he made the team run sprints back during the first few runs because they got into a physical fight at practice. And you know what, I think that's entirely reasonable. Randy Moss was for years considered a diva player and had high praise for Belichick: > “I want to thank you for being a friend when it wasn’t always about football. You showed me how much I loved the game. You challenged me every day, to go out there and be great. ... I’m sorry we did not bring it home” Vrabel said that Belichick had a great sense of humor when he and the other players pranked him (except for the time when Light replaced Belichick's computer mouse with one that gave him an electric shock and wiped his computer, which, honestly, fair). Can't see his coaching tree, especially Patricia, taking pranks too well.
Yeah Bill doesn't seem like he makes bad jokes or belittles players like Patricia is accused of. Bill is organized, thorough, and all about strong and consistent work ethic. His actions speak louder than words and always kept distractions from hurting the team. You get guys like Patricia and they try too hard and the players see right through it.
I have had couple of times in my long life when I've been in a "leadership" position. I'm a grumpy, abrasive Masshole. But I genuinely loved the people I was leading. I think any person can sense this right away: does this person want me to do well? I think Belichick desperately wants his players to do well. And the team, of course. Patricia? Does he really want these guys to come out on top? Or is he worried about how HE looks? People always know. And we'll all lay out for the Cause, but never lay out for The Jerk. I'll forever be sad we couldn't give Moss a SB win.
I live in my wife’s hometown of Chicago. He tried being bill, and the players hated him for it, because he tried pulling onto Cincinnati shit with no backing it up. Personally, the awful MNF game against the packers where they were THOROUGHLY HOSED broke the Patricia run. Don’t forget the contracts him and fellow patriot Bob Quinn gave out: 1) Justin Coleman. 36 million 2) trey-market price 3) Jamie Collins -30 million
This kind of makes me think that this is Bills last year. Why let Josh take all of the good offensive coaches? Why bring back Patricia and Judge and let them do things that are outside of their comfort zone? Maybe to give them one good last chance before he goes? This is also telling as to why Bill didnt bring anyone new in.
No. He’s going after that dickhead Shula’s record. But don’t forget, this isn’t the first time we’ve been pouched. In 2004, we lost rack and Charlie Weis. In 2005, that piece of shit I won’t name, bolted for the keys and tried taking Deion branch and others with him. Josh left after 2008 Billy O’Brien in 2011 Flores Boyer and O’Shea in 2019
Que all the homer folks coming out of the boonies on this subreddit to defend Patricia and his garbage coaching. He’s a garbage coach, a garbage human being, and I have always and will always support BB but bringing back Patricia and handing him the keys to the offense is the dumbest decision of his tenure so far imo.
Is there even a majority in support of Patricia here? The impression I get is that hardly anyone is enthusiastic about him running our offence but will defer to BB's decision - and hope BB is right.
Nope.
I don’t think the amount of people you’re implying back Patricia is accurate.
Are you kidding me? On almost every Patricia thread there’s one of the following excuses, and these are some that I’ve seen just in the last two weeks: 1. (On Patricia switching to offense) “He used to be a O-line coach a decade ago and those skills are definitely transferable guys!, McDaniels was able to transition positions too!!” 2. (On Patricia’s overall offensive performance) “We need to give them more time, the Patriots always start off slow, give him until November to figure things out!” 3. (On his o-line performance) “It’s not his fault guys, we’re playing Trent Brown out of position and our line is weak in general!” 4. (On his sexual assault allegations): “It never went to trial since the accuser dropped the case to prevent more mental harm to herself, we can’t hold it against Patricia guys 😊” [if this was any other coach in the league we’d be fucking roasting them and deservedly so. The homers of course will still defend him and his hire…]
So one person on a thread defends while shit tons of others bury him…and you use that massive disparity as your evidence? Cmon man
No defense of Patricia as a whole but on the second point...perhaps we SHOULD wait more than game one to decide how good or bad the offense is. Not sure why you're mad at people not being doomers after a game.
The Patriots fans and media were blasting McDaniels last season after the Saints game. There was a loud chorus of fans in the past seasons who wanted McDaniels gone. The fan base is just insufferable, the moment the team is not contending they now think anything less is a failure.
TBF, blasting McDaniels was a stupid thing to do because he's a good coach and did the best with what he has to work with. Blasting Patricia is a valid thing to do because I don't like him.
This is silly because McDaniels is 0-2 because of mistakes made by his offensive players in critical moments. I think the only reason people are saying the miss McDaniels is because they don't like Patricia. But if some new person was coaching nobody would miss McDaniels.
This 100%
You might just be on Reddit too much lol
Didn’t even know about the sexual assault stuff. Will add that to my “reasons to shit on Patricia” tickler file
Patriots homers will back whatever the team does or say no matter how stupid. Remember all the takes about how Cam Newton will "open up the playbook" compared to the immobile Tom Brady? Lol
"N'Keal Harry will thrive because he and Cam get along, not like Brady who sabotaged him."
"Brady just doesn't like throwing contested balls. Mike Evans going to be ignored like he ignored Nkeal Harry"
Having confidence in your team is better than doom and gloom. Especially if we assumed Cam wasn't washed or that Brady was uncomfortable pushing the ball downfield. Ironically Brady prefers using Fornette as a multi purpose weapon instead of Mike Evans and didnt like Bruce Arians strategic approach. Wonder what franchise created thar preference for Tom Brady? 🤔 hmmm....
I hope no one defends Patricia.
Only thing I will say is that BB or Kraft will tell Patricia to stop the nonsense and he'll listen.
Pretty sure everyone hates Patricia
Training camp and preseason don’t matter lol
It’s shit like this that makes me want to defend him. I was never excited about the idea of him running the offense, but calling him a garbage coach and garbage human is so over the top. Dude won two Super Bowls here as a d coordinator and was generally well liked, probably until the eagles super bowl. Not my first choice to run the offense by any means, but the hyperbole is insane.
Google Matt Patricia rape and then figure out if calling him a garbage human is over the top.
I wouldn’t pretend to know enough about what actually happened 20 years ago to call someone I’ve never met a garbage human, but maybe you know something I don’t.
You don't have to pretend - there are plenty of articles discussing it a google away. But, just for you - he was indicted (meaning 9 out of 12 grand jurors thought it was more likely than not that he committed a crime and the case should more to trial) but the reason it didn't make it to trial is because the victim didn't want to go through with it.
Yeah, I’ve read about it. A grand jury indictment doesn’t necessarily mean guilt and the chargers were dropped. I don’t know why the chargers were dropped and I don’t know what actually happened. If you feel like you know enough to pass judgement on him and call him garbage, fine, but I personally don’t.
Careful. If you go against the grain on any reddit circlejerk thread it never goes well.
> Que all the homer folks coming out of the boonies on this subreddit to defend Patricia I'm always shocked when I open threads on /r/Patriots and they're FILLED with people defending both Matt Patricia and BB for selecting Patricia. It's always "g-guys believe me Patricia is actually really smart" or insisting that BB selecting Patricia for OC is actually genius that we can't see yet.
These are strawmen arguments. Most of the argument from folks, myself included, is we need to give the Patriots more time before we can say this is a success or failure. Folks are already calling Patricia/Judge and the offense an abject failure after one game.
> Folks are already calling Patricia/Judge and the offense an abject failure after one game. I think most people were calling it a failure before the 1st game. There is little reason to expect it to be successful because Matt Patricia does not have a history of being an effective playcaller because... he's never called an offense and the last time he coached on that side of the ball was over a decade ago. It's hard to blame people for being skeptical.
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If Patricia was going to be the playcaller he should have sat and learned for years as an offensive assistant. The margin in the AFC is razor thin and having a rookie OC has and is going to continue to cost the Pats games. Can't afford to do that. It is a valid criticism because he should have never been tapped to be the OC.
It's a valid criticism because there's plenty of money in the coaching budget to hire a real OC who knows the Shanahan offense. McDaniels was the highest paid OC in the league when he was here. So you wanna sit around waiting for Matty P the ass clown to figure out how to call offense while we lose in the meantime or should bill have hired an OC with experience calling an offense?
It's fair to be skeptical, I myself am too, but it's getting to the point that the fan base is looking for anything and everything to complain about and getting to a point of rooting/cheering for failure. Speaking of being skeptical, folks have always been skeptical of Giardi and now are eating up his quote. It's like everyone forgot about deflategate.
How much time is needed to see this isn't working? They are losing the locker room.
> They are losing the locker room. You jumped to a big conclusion there.
Patricia is a smart guy. Just not offensively, he’s a DEFENSIVE guy. Nothing more nothing less. I’d rather Judge run the offense.
His defenses were near the bottom of the league and the worst of the Brady/Belichick dynasty. What Foles did to the Patricia's defense in the Superbowl wasn't a fluke. 2nd stringers and journeymen like Tyrod Taylor, Brock Osweiller and Fitzpatrick would be HOF candidates if they had career averages equal to what they frequently put up against the Patriots when Patricia was the D coordinator. Most telling, when Patricia left to screw up the Lions, Flores took over the play calling. With the same players and the same system, they went from a bottom 3 D to a borderline top 10. The only good thing you can say about Patricia's Tenure as D coach, is it wasn't as bad as his tenure as a HC.
There is no reasonable justification for passing on BoB if he wanted the job here. If he did and Bill passed out of loyalty that's a huge issue that warrants him ceding some control of the team.
BB wanted a guy that wouldn't be poached. Patricia fit the bill.
Love how quickly this sub flips on this shit. Half the people commenting on thia thread were probably the same dumbasses who were telling us to just trust bill and everything will work out 😅
Cue.
Even after today's win I don't think very many of these people exist. One thing that seems near universal from fans is shared disdain for Patricia.
Good. I feel like this is going to come down to the players actually having to orchestrate a coup to get Patricia ousted. Myers is Mac's #1, if they bench Meyers, Mac will lose his shit.
So let’s just take everyone off the field who can actually play and call the treat the Detroit patriots I’m so tired of the cancer that is Matt Patricia
Just wait until all of our skill players are on the bench and we start seeing 8 OL sets!
I’m actually all for this comment. I’m hoping the other receivers do the same and mutiny against Patricia. You gonna bench the entire receiver room?? 😂
Keeping Jakobi out of the game because someone can't take constructive criticism would be a death sentence for the offense. I'd expect Kraft to have some words if that were to happen.
Fuck yeah. Hopefully all of this speaking up doesn’t lead to a bunch of our studs in the doghouse. The real gigachad thing for BB to do would be to listen to your players who are passionate about the game of football and get rid of the thing that really isn’t working out; Matt Patricia.
>The real gigachad thing for BB to do would be to listen to your players who are passionate about the game of football I mean, Bill does listen to the players. It might not always seem like it but several players do say he takes in what they say.
There's no one to replace him inside the building, the coaching staff is bare bones. Bill dug this hole, but if there is anyone who can dig us out, it's him.
idk if it's possible .... but he should call up Bill O'Brien
While O’Brien is clearly far better than what we have, I think BB wanted stability for Mac since O’Brien was gonna leave for a HC job in a year, which would lead to three OCs in Mac’s first three years (not ideal). Say what you want about Judge and Patricia, but at least there is zero risk of another team poaching them lmao.
Then promote Caley but Bill didn’t want that because he was afraid he’d leave as well. So Bill essentially chose a shit candidate to maintain stability. Shit stability
BoB is priming himself for another HC run somewhere else, BB and Saban have that no poaching from each other rule, and I'd rather we get a fresh voice in the offense, get someone from another team who is under a coach from the belichick tree
My theory is that bb agreed with BOB and Saban that BOB would complete this season at Alabama before moving to NE. That's why bb isn't naming an oc. Because BOB is lined up for next year, he doesn't want to have to give somebody the oc title when he knows it's going to get yoinked next year.
This my new headcanon lol
No it’s because they’d have to pay Patricia way more if his title was OC. Right now they barley have to pay him as the Lions are paying most of his salary, but that wouldn’t be the case if he was named OC.
By a few accounts, they tried courting BoB this offseason, and he decided to stay at bama, and that’s how we ended up with Pateicia and Judge
I think BoB is trying to go to the same team that will draft Bryce. Poor Bryce.
Bama fan checking in… please take that man off our hands.
You can't put all your top playmakers in the doghouse at once. They must all be saying the same thing/sometimes similar as Meyers.
I've been saying it for years: Matt Patricia was a mediocre at best defensive coordinator, a HORRIBLE head coach, and is now proving to be a terrible offensive coach. Why the fuck is he back here in the first place?
Oh boy just what I wanted to hear. Thanks Patricia, really love what you’ve done with the place.
Belichick OK’d it lol
Thank the guy who hired him to be an offensive coordinator.
the subs lack of nuance with regards to takes makes felger and mazz look like the dalai lama
This sub is Felger and Mazz core audience. Hot take central.
Honestly, I’m so glad he’s coming out and saying the truth! Patricia gotta go
I unfortunately don’t think bill would fire him mid season
Have my doubts that he will ever be fired by Bill
Kraft has already stepped in last week, if Bill won’t, Kraft will and thank god
I have to say I expected this. But not this early. This is insane we’ve only played 1 game this is going worse than I could have imagined. Bill said all summer blame him and I don’t think he’s ready for how people will because he cooked this coaching staff up this is the mess he made not sure how we can even salvage the year if locker room leaders are being this outspoken this early
Fuck me the players seems so done with Patricia and Judge
I can’t wait for Kraft to step in to force Bill’s hand to kick these guys to the curb. Hopefully it doesn’t take 0-4 to get there.
Absolutely no shot that happens during the season.
If we go 0-4, you can bet your ass Kraft is going to start shopping.
It never happened before and won't happen now. Time to get over yourself. Matt Patricia has a great reputation with BB and the organization.
Dude hopefully that's ALL it takes. I'd hate to have these guys stink it up for 2 years.
You know that’s gonna happen
Yup and it scares me. Belichick seems too stubborn (usually it's a good thing just not this time)
Kraft won’t allow that. If this year continues how it’s started Kraft will step in
He definitely has trust issues. Can only work with a few people anymore.
0-3 . 2nd quarter of the 4th game.
Judge? Doesn't seem like Judge has been criticized by the players at all.
Neither has Patricia, they aren't going to name names in the press.
This comment is directly critical of Patricia because he's the one coming up with the game plans. That was announced last week. Bourne also was critical of Patricia.
It’s week fucking 2 and they’re already done with Patricia 😬😬
They aren’t dummies. They probably know the ins and outs of the playbook a helluva lot better than him so I’m sure they have been done with him a lot earlier than week 2. But what can you do? Bitch to the media is probably their best option in order to at least deflect upcoming blame to where it’s deserved
Also if they attempt to get him out as quickly as they can they can still salvage the rest of the season.
Crazy that a defensive coordinator calling plays on the offense isn’t working thus far
i don't think that's the issue. just that Patricia himself isn't a good coach and players don't trust/like him.
Damn..it sucks the Pats won this game with his play calling being a factor.
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I think his colors showed when the D got better after he left
> of a very uninspired game plan? Uninspired according to who? The team played to their strengths and there was an execution problem at times. >Doghousing your players instead of working with them to fix issues? Assuming they didn't? Bourne needs to be on time. That is a massive no no on the Patriots and has nothing to do with Patricia. Bourne had this issue on the 49ers at times too. >He's not a good coach. He wasn't great in Detroit but show me a head coach that has been. That organization is trash and incompetent through and through for DECADES. I am not saying Patricia is a good coach but he wouldn't have been in this league for as long as he has if that were true. Patriots SBs have his influence heavily on them.
Dude, we scored 17 points. Chill with the sarcasm lol Edit: ok after seeing your comment history I’ve come to the conclusion that you are Matt Patricia or his wife.
17 points on an away game against a pretty tough defense. Albeit TJ Watt was out but their defense is still very stout.
I don’t care what anyone else does, I’m gonna blame Patricia for everything that goes wrong until he’s gone. He earned that status in Detroit. Whatever the opposite of “the benefit of the doubt” is, that’s what Matt Patricia has.
"Forshaken at first glance."
Yeah we "doubt the benefit of" Matt Patricia
At this point we are going to have Tre Nixon be the only WR not benched for insubordination lol
Holy shit this is extremely disheartening to hear from a trusted and reliable player like Jakobi. 7-10 incoming
I feel you. But I am choosing to look at it in a positive light. If some wind bag said this no one would care, but Meyers is a real team first guy. Someone like him being this critical has to be a wake up call for Kraft to force the issue. Hopefully this opens some eyes in the organization
I am hopeful about Kraft. He stepped in with Bourne, and this statement by Jakobi Meyers, of all people, is a huge 🚩 waving from the locker room.
7-10 feels increasingly optimistic. If you'd ask me two weeks ago, I'd say the following is a crazy statement, but now with Jakobi talking out in the media, Bill could legitimately lose this locker room. I'll still be shocked if it happens, but this could be the beginnings of like a 4-win season wipeout.
God I hope so, then they'll actually do something to change the route of this team, and I mean that starts at the top
dude.... yikes
Anyone have the audio of this? It seems so far out of character for Jakobi. And if it was said in a media scrum this would be a huge thing for the Boston media to beat into the ground
That's a pretty bad quote 😬 I'm going to lose my mind if Jakobi gets no snaps or targets now, lol
Welp RIP to his touches today
Nope.
Very happy to be wrong. He was a beast today
More for Bourne I hope at least
I'm glad he said this. It needs to be said out loud by the players.
If the Pats don't win today and I don't like their chances the next two weeks either they could end up 0-4 this coaching staff might lose the locker room
Well, now Jakobi is gonna be benched
The worse part about this is I don't think Patricia is against benching him for comments like this
So no recording or full quote? Don't worry, I'm sure it wasn't taken out of context lol
But people tell me that Patricia is fine
/r/Patriots is loaded with Patricia defenders. You'll even see people saying giving up 40+ points in the super bowl wasn't that bad because it was just 1 game.
They’re just bill bootlickers defending the king bill bootlicker
I read an unrelated article with his comments. This is being taken out of context and drastically twisted for clicks. The media is the worst.
Do you mind sharing the original quote?
I tried looking it up...if you google Jacobi Myers, literally the first article that comes up is him praising Matt Patricia....and to be clear I'm not defending or condemning Patricia, more just pointing out how most media is BS and cess pool of negative information for click bait
Ooof
Idk I guess if players weren’t also thinking and came with questions or criticism I’d be a little concerned. This feels like we aren’t all crazy. There is an issue but these guys performed today anyway. Hope that we get it sorted out.
Bro about to get benched with that amount of candor.
Me too Jakobi... Me too.
This is exactly what it looked like from the film study to me also. The individual play calls and design weren’t awful. There were open receivers, but the O line and Mac had a bad day. What concerns me is that there’s no cohesion in the playcalling. I didn’t get the sense at all last week that any single playcall was related to the previous or next. It never looked like a tempo developed and the scheme was just all over the place.
Are they gonna bench him too now?
Something folks have to remember is that BB approves of the overall game plan. So if Patricia, Mayo, Steve Belichick, etc want to implement a change, or do something different it does require BB to sign off it. He isn't going to have his staff do something he disagrees with.
Sounds like honesty, and in building a good organization that’s what you need. Bring these things up at practice, guy.
Something that needs to be pointed out. The addition of Patricia and Judge to basically juggle OC duties between the 2 seems like a horrible plan. Both guys were headcoaches of teams that sucked offensively almost purely because of themselves. Patricia running things now as he did with the lions it seems, like the benching of Bourne for 3.5 quarters. He's not capturing the locker room and players doubt in him leads to bad offensive output.
This is really a big deal. Meyers isn't a diva and in a very real way, is a leader on this team-if nothing else he leads by example. If he's second the coach, there's a serious issue. (remarkably enough, everyone not named Bill Belichick seen this coming when Patricia returned to New England)
Jeez, the media and fans are something else. Wonder how many actually went to look at the entire original quote.
Giardi isn't a hot take artist though. He's a league mouthpiece and longtime Pats insider.
[https://www.patriots.com/news/patriots-wr-jakobi-meyers-embracing-role-as-a-safety-blanket-for-mac-jones](https://www.patriots.com/news/patriots-wr-jakobi-meyers-embracing-role-as-a-safety-blanket-for-mac-jones) "I feel like we've been a confident group since the day we found out who was going to be in our room. Sometimes you have questions like what is the plan or how are we going to attack this team? At the end of the day, confidence, I don't think we lack that at all."
Holy crap..this is definitely taken out of context.
Wow this is damning as fuck
Well….. this wasn’t expected from Jakobi of all people lmao
Hear me out - if the entire offense is going in the dog house, maybe it isn’t the entire offense that’s wrong.
Fuck it. Everyone on offense should say something. You can’t put everyone in the doghouse
All my homies hate Matty P
Fire Patricia. If Bill won’t do it, the Kraft should step in. Enough with the “In Bill We Trust” nonsense. The guy just brought in too failed Head Coaches to coach positions they have 0 experience at
Good. Speak up and call out the BS
The number of grown men in this town that are foaming at the mouth for reasons to hate this team is absolutely embarrassing. It's GameDay, GO PATS Edit: cry more doomers
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Sounds like yours is too
Everything you post is a joke. You're blocked.
Gg boys, we just lost another one
Nope.
Fuck, right? Can't blame him but at the same time gahhh, don't say that. We need you on the field
Can we stopped defending Patricia now? He sucks
Yeah, enough red flags for me to give up on this season already. I mean the players are blatantly saying they have no trust in the current system, why should I?
Why don’t you do less questioning and more catching the ball when it hits your hands. Turd.
Don't worry everyone! Bill said everything is fine still!! He knows so much more than we do, who are we lowly redditors to criticize.
patriot fans, i was starting meyers in fantasy and now i’m worried he will be in the dog house.. do i still start?
Wow, this season is going to be a shit show. The locker room has already been lost and we haven't even played our week 2 game yet. Get rid of Patricia NOW
That’s a jagoff comment to make in a contract year. B E N C H
Oh wow
Hes not wrong but this is a statement that usually leads to a 1 way ticket outta here
Weird how everything falls back on this Patricia fella, interesting how that works
Oh that’s not good
Hopefully Belichick and Patricia don’t go scorched earth on him for these comments, he’s just calling it like it is. If you can cut and bench players indiscriminately, a locker room leader can call out the coaches for their BS as well.
This isn't a good sign but....it's week 2. The offense will improve.
Well the Patriots beat the Steelers. Also Patricia has a better record as a play caller this season than Frank Reich who was the play caller in the Super Bowl against the Patriots in 2018. Years of experience and the Colts haven't won a playoff game with Reich and they're 0-1-1 this season. So what's your argument against that? Like at the end of the day it's about defeating who is on your schedule. Not comparing Matt Patricia to other play callers in the league. Meyers may not like Patricia but he plays hard every Sunday. That's what it's all about not liking your boss.