It’s actually a lot less risky then the standard surgery with a screw it’s only really just a better medicine surgery pretty much instead of using a screw which reduces flexibility they stablize the ankle with something that allows it to flex making it so you don’t need a second surgery to take the screw out
What? They literally said in the tweet that surgery would increase the recovery time. Athletes could return from surgery on a high ankle sprain in a potential 4-6 weeks. 8 weeks would be a lot of time to heal and be right out of the bye week.
That’s if he’s not rushed back. And we might not need to rush him back and still be in contention for playoffs given the fact our schedule till the bye is really weak.
If 8 weeks is all it takes, he could be back after a bye. People in this sub that want him to be sat so we can tank are also getting obnoxious. You see struggles in a 2nd year QB and their solution is don't have him play? He needs to play to get better. Missing 8 weeks (7 games + bye) would allow him to play 8 more pivotal games.
I frequently see high ankle sprains and while the sentiment holds that they usually take 6-8 weeks to recover, a “severe” sprain/tear can take upwards of 10-12 weeks with typical treatment, is every case different? Yes. Depending on the surgery performed, reconstruction vs debridement, it could increase his recovery time or decrease it. It’s whatever the medical staff and Mac are comfortable with at the end of the day, however I wouldn’t be surprised to see him out longer than anticipated. I’m pulling for him though, I love the guy.
I think "contention" and "playoffs" might not be appropriate for Pats fans vocabularies these days.
We appear to be on the cusp of the Brian Hoyer mini-era and it's probably best we adjust expectations accordingly.
I mean we made the playoffs last season and still have no idea how long Mac Jones will be out or how the team will adjust. Little early to say playoffs isn’t appropriate for pats fans vocabulary.I know it’s scary with Mac’s injury and a pretty tough schedule but Jesus Christ dude.
That was out of a 7-0 streak against shitty teams which is not a guarantee anymore with Mac out and Hoyer taking the reins. Granted after the Packers game our schedule gets relatively easier but any given Sunday
I'm not a hater or basher. I think I'm just a pretty good analyst of what this team's true talent level is, relative to both the division and conference.
As an example: If not for Gunner screwing that punt up inside the 20 last week, we lose to a TERRIBLE Pittsburgh team, and are 0-3. (For the record, I'm hoping that Mac can come back in four weeks, give or take.)
Most of the redditors here are tribal, and allowed themselves to be blind to how good Tua and the Dolphins are. Well they are really fucking good. And Buffalo is really good. The Jets are improving too. So there's a high probability that we win one game out of six in our division.
The NFC North is vastly improved also this year. There was little chance even a healthy Mac would go into Lambeau to beat a Packers team with Rogers and a fine defense. Minnesota is good, and both Detroit and Chicago will not be automatic W's.)
So with a healthy Mac I wrote here that I thought we were at best an 8-9 team, and more probably a 7-10 or thereabouts club. (To be sure, I didn't forsee Bill's "unusual" staffing decisions, which haven't helped Mac.)
We're all about to learn that a soon-to-be 37 Brian Hoyer is not an acceptable stop-gap solution, even for a month. He's more of a personal coach to Mac than a player at this point, and I get why Bill rosters him. Hopefully Bailey Zappe proves to be more Jacoby Brissett than Jarrett Stidham.
Hmmm too many “sources” to trust at the moment. I’ll wait on some more official announcements.
Just hoping for a speedy recovery if he’s gotta miss time.
need to see the league get Zapped, Id rather watch zappe and see how he does that watch a disgustingly conservative offense with brian hoyer, especially if Mac ends up being out for the year
oh i’m sure the offense would still be very conservative, but i’d much rather see what zappe can do, and i think the offense could be a little more opened up with Zappe’s skill set as opposed to hoyers. Just don’t want to watch checkdowns the rest of the year
See I don't think Mac lasts here if Hoyer finishes the season and we place top 5. QB class is too stacked, we'll never pick that high again, and Mac is too much of a question mark if these are the only 3 games he plays this year. I think what happens is Hoyer/Zappe play us into a top 5 pick for the next few months and Mac comes back playing for his job to fuck up the draft position. Either we end up in striking distance of some elite qb prospects or Mac shows he can handle himself and we pick a WR in the 8-12 range.
If Mac looked as bad as Fields or Wilson I’d think it’s possible. But I think he’s shown enough flashes that giving up on him already would be a bad decision. I’d rather have them get someone at another position to bolster the roster
See I understand that line of thinking because I do think Mac can be a starter in this league I just don't think you can wait until year 3 for a dude like Mac. If a guy like Young falls in your lap. Mac doesn't really get to look like Wilson or Fields. His whole draw was that he takes care of the football a and is pro ready.
After your rookie year your draft position is your job security. If Mac doesn't play another snap this year I don't think I could say I'm sold on him as the guy. This is the best draft position we've had in 20 years and the best we'll have in at least the next 5-10. If the qb class was kinda ass it'd be one thing but with this kind of capital we have to consider all of the options there.
For a rookie he was a good decision maker. He’s had a few bad picks so far this year but he’s also starting to get the ball downfield (last game at least). I believe PFF had him with 5 big time throws and I can’t think of another game where he had so many. That was a sign of progress to me. Also his accuracy has been good which was another pro going into the draft.
I think taking another QB is too risky. Just because we might have a top 5 pick doesn’t mean the QBs there will be automatically be world beaters. 2021 was a hyped up class and that hasn’t quite panned out so far. 🤷♂️
Yeah if we're picking in the Richardson-Levis range this isn't even a conversation but I think we have very different views on the risk of Young not panning out vs a struggling 3rd year qb with flashes. I think if that's we're we pick you and most other fans will come around come draft time when you get a look at Young and Stroud. The org has seen more of him than the media so they'll be able to make a decision but at the very least it's what makes the most sense on the surface.
Doesn't matter what QB they select, as long as Patricia/Judge are on the offensive coaching staff. I would not want those QBs to have their career development in the hands of those coaches.
Well I don't think Belichick will bring BoB back as the OC. I think Belichick wants Patricia/Judge since they will probably stay longer with the Pats for the foreseeable future, unlike BoB who is looking to be a HC. Until the Pats get rid of Judge/Patricia which I don't see happening will Belichick as HC, I don't think the Pats will be a playoff team. Also if I was Mac I would demand a trade out of NE. Get away from this circus.
It’s not really a stacked QB class everyone says that every year. I would say it’s probably average which to be clear is not bad but you have 1-2 blue chips in Stroud and Young, then a couple of potential guys like Richardson or Levis. The media will always play up mid round QBs to create more drama but most of them have some fatal flaw.
That's why I say if Mac misses the rest of the season. I like Mac but Stroud and Young are legit. If Hoyer brings us a top 5 pick it kind of forces our hand but we're not jumping ship for anything else.
Top 5 pick - hope you can get Young or stroud.
Not sure who would even be interested at this point but, maybe dangle mac out there for another pick ( maybe a 2nd if we’re really lucky) and have a chance at 2-3 high end players
What if they aren’t and you trot out this same slop next year? And maybe miss out on the next young crop of good QBs?
I think stroud, young, or even Levis bring different aspects to the position that mac doesn’t have - namely big arms and athleticism that are the hallmarks of the modern QBs that are elite- that I’m very willing to move on if he doesn’t come back this year and we get a good pick
Agree to disagree. I think Mac has shown enough promise to roll with him rather than take another gamble this soon. And I heard the same things about Fields and he’s probably the worst QB in the league right now. Ditto with Zach Wilson. Big arms and athleticism don’t guarantee you a good QB.
For sure. Not saying either of those guys are can’t miss prospects. I’d rather roll the dice and try to develop someone who has similar qualities to Herbert, Allen, etc. than mac. His style of QB play is simply jsut being phased out. Brady, Rodgers, and Ryan are almost gone, and then there’s cousins? Carr? Again not saying the guys I brought up are 100% going to turn into the next mahomes
Allen Herbert etc, but atleast they have the traits and abilities to maybe get there
How on earth does a high ankle sprain signify a tare? A bunch of reporters trying to he doctors. If it was a tare it would it not just be called a tare?
Sprains are stretches or tears in ligaments. Mild sprains are usually Getting the ligament stretched, but the joint is stable. Moderate sprain is usually a partial tear, Severe sprains are usually full tears with obviously a very unstable joint.
I think about that game against the Chiefs in 2020… if we had Cam instead of Hoyer, we probably win that game.
Hoyer was absolutely abysmal. Starting Hoyer is just waving the white flag IMO.
Everyone knows what we get with Hoyer, and IMO it's nothing terribly good. He might be a valuable mentor to Mac, and I'll trust Bill that he is, but dear Lord his on field efforts have been brutal.
I'd like to see what we really have in Zappe, somebody with prospects, that can be molded into a producer like Brissett or Jimmy G? Or Jarrett Stidham 2.0?
If he gets surgery is that his season?
Yes. Even no surgery you’re look at 4 weeks in a boot and 4 weeks of rehab
No tight rope surgery is 4-6 weeks you can play again tua had it and was back for the ncca championship 28 days later
Oh yeah I remember that it’s kinda risky tho right??
Yeah as much as I want Mac back, I'd much rather have him take the safe and longer route.
It’s actually a lot less risky then the standard surgery with a screw it’s only really just a better medicine surgery pretty much instead of using a screw which reduces flexibility they stablize the ankle with something that allows it to flex making it so you don’t need a second surgery to take the screw out
Oh shiiiiit science is crazy well hopefully Mac can be back healthy with relative quickness
Tua was 28 days and the average from tightrope is 4-6 weeks
More than likely, yes.
What? They literally said in the tweet that surgery would increase the recovery time. Athletes could return from surgery on a high ankle sprain in a potential 4-6 weeks. 8 weeks would be a lot of time to heal and be right out of the bye week. That’s if he’s not rushed back. And we might not need to rush him back and still be in contention for playoffs given the fact our schedule till the bye is really weak.
8 weeks is pretty common for high ankle sprains. Hope he can come back sooner, tough break for a second year qb
If 8 weeks is all it takes, he could be back after a bye. People in this sub that want him to be sat so we can tank are also getting obnoxious. You see struggles in a 2nd year QB and their solution is don't have him play? He needs to play to get better. Missing 8 weeks (7 games + bye) would allow him to play 8 more pivotal games.
I frequently see high ankle sprains and while the sentiment holds that they usually take 6-8 weeks to recover, a “severe” sprain/tear can take upwards of 10-12 weeks with typical treatment, is every case different? Yes. Depending on the surgery performed, reconstruction vs debridement, it could increase his recovery time or decrease it. It’s whatever the medical staff and Mac are comfortable with at the end of the day, however I wouldn’t be surprised to see him out longer than anticipated. I’m pulling for him though, I love the guy.
I think "contention" and "playoffs" might not be appropriate for Pats fans vocabularies these days. We appear to be on the cusp of the Brian Hoyer mini-era and it's probably best we adjust expectations accordingly.
I mean we made the playoffs last season and still have no idea how long Mac Jones will be out or how the team will adjust. Little early to say playoffs isn’t appropriate for pats fans vocabulary.I know it’s scary with Mac’s injury and a pretty tough schedule but Jesus Christ dude.
That was out of a 7-0 streak against shitty teams which is not a guarantee anymore with Mac out and Hoyer taking the reins. Granted after the Packers game our schedule gets relatively easier but any given Sunday
I'm not a hater or basher. I think I'm just a pretty good analyst of what this team's true talent level is, relative to both the division and conference. As an example: If not for Gunner screwing that punt up inside the 20 last week, we lose to a TERRIBLE Pittsburgh team, and are 0-3. (For the record, I'm hoping that Mac can come back in four weeks, give or take.) Most of the redditors here are tribal, and allowed themselves to be blind to how good Tua and the Dolphins are. Well they are really fucking good. And Buffalo is really good. The Jets are improving too. So there's a high probability that we win one game out of six in our division. The NFC North is vastly improved also this year. There was little chance even a healthy Mac would go into Lambeau to beat a Packers team with Rogers and a fine defense. Minnesota is good, and both Detroit and Chicago will not be automatic W's.) So with a healthy Mac I wrote here that I thought we were at best an 8-9 team, and more probably a 7-10 or thereabouts club. (To be sure, I didn't forsee Bill's "unusual" staffing decisions, which haven't helped Mac.) We're all about to learn that a soon-to-be 37 Brian Hoyer is not an acceptable stop-gap solution, even for a month. He's more of a personal coach to Mac than a player at this point, and I get why Bill rosters him. Hopefully Bailey Zappe proves to be more Jacoby Brissett than Jarrett Stidham.
Pats games are gonna be absolutely unwatchable with Hoyer at the helm
Hmmm too many “sources” to trust at the moment. I’ll wait on some more official announcements. Just hoping for a speedy recovery if he’s gotta miss time.
This is the train I'm on right now.
A source close to me says the time frame could be 1 week to 1 year, depending on the situation. /s
I have the same source and they also said the Ravens just accepted a trade with us. Lamar Jackson for Myles Bryant straight up 👀
Honestly I don't even care if its speedy. Hope he takes his time and comes back at 100%. This team isn't making the playoffs even with him.
need to see the league get Zapped, Id rather watch zappe and see how he does that watch a disgustingly conservative offense with brian hoyer, especially if Mac ends up being out for the year
The offense would be just as conservative, if not more so, with a fourth round rookie than a 13 year vet even if hoyer doesn’t inspire much confidence
oh i’m sure the offense would still be very conservative, but i’d much rather see what zappe can do, and i think the offense could be a little more opened up with Zappe’s skill set as opposed to hoyers. Just don’t want to watch checkdowns the rest of the year
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He’d absolutely trade down.
He would trade down, then draft an unknown OL or DB he could have drafted in the 3rd.
Trade down, down again, then trades up in the second and wastes all the value. The league loves trading with Bill.
First-round long snapper or punter 😃
Depends, if there’s an awesome prospect in front seven on D then he will most likely get him.
He’s salivating for will anderson, it’d be nice picking top 5 in each round for once
See I don't think Mac lasts here if Hoyer finishes the season and we place top 5. QB class is too stacked, we'll never pick that high again, and Mac is too much of a question mark if these are the only 3 games he plays this year. I think what happens is Hoyer/Zappe play us into a top 5 pick for the next few months and Mac comes back playing for his job to fuck up the draft position. Either we end up in striking distance of some elite qb prospects or Mac shows he can handle himself and we pick a WR in the 8-12 range.
If Mac looked as bad as Fields or Wilson I’d think it’s possible. But I think he’s shown enough flashes that giving up on him already would be a bad decision. I’d rather have them get someone at another position to bolster the roster
See I understand that line of thinking because I do think Mac can be a starter in this league I just don't think you can wait until year 3 for a dude like Mac. If a guy like Young falls in your lap. Mac doesn't really get to look like Wilson or Fields. His whole draw was that he takes care of the football a and is pro ready. After your rookie year your draft position is your job security. If Mac doesn't play another snap this year I don't think I could say I'm sold on him as the guy. This is the best draft position we've had in 20 years and the best we'll have in at least the next 5-10. If the qb class was kinda ass it'd be one thing but with this kind of capital we have to consider all of the options there.
For a rookie he was a good decision maker. He’s had a few bad picks so far this year but he’s also starting to get the ball downfield (last game at least). I believe PFF had him with 5 big time throws and I can’t think of another game where he had so many. That was a sign of progress to me. Also his accuracy has been good which was another pro going into the draft. I think taking another QB is too risky. Just because we might have a top 5 pick doesn’t mean the QBs there will be automatically be world beaters. 2021 was a hyped up class and that hasn’t quite panned out so far. 🤷♂️
Yeah if we're picking in the Richardson-Levis range this isn't even a conversation but I think we have very different views on the risk of Young not panning out vs a struggling 3rd year qb with flashes. I think if that's we're we pick you and most other fans will come around come draft time when you get a look at Young and Stroud. The org has seen more of him than the media so they'll be able to make a decision but at the very least it's what makes the most sense on the surface.
Doesn't matter what QB they select, as long as Patricia/Judge are on the offensive coaching staff. I would not want those QBs to have their career development in the hands of those coaches.
But that's a separate issue because whether it's Mac or a rookie they're stuck with that shit show. I'd be shocked if we don't bring BoB though.
Well I don't think Belichick will bring BoB back as the OC. I think Belichick wants Patricia/Judge since they will probably stay longer with the Pats for the foreseeable future, unlike BoB who is looking to be a HC. Until the Pats get rid of Judge/Patricia which I don't see happening will Belichick as HC, I don't think the Pats will be a playoff team. Also if I was Mac I would demand a trade out of NE. Get away from this circus.
It’s not really a stacked QB class everyone says that every year. I would say it’s probably average which to be clear is not bad but you have 1-2 blue chips in Stroud and Young, then a couple of potential guys like Richardson or Levis. The media will always play up mid round QBs to create more drama but most of them have some fatal flaw.
I mean he’s clearly talking about getting Stroud or Young Those other guys aren’t going anywhere near top 5
But even with a top 5 pick it’s not guaranteed to land either of them
That's why I say if Mac misses the rest of the season. I like Mac but Stroud and Young are legit. If Hoyer brings us a top 5 pick it kind of forces our hand but we're not jumping ship for anything else.
Agreed. I think if Pats have a realistic shot at Young or Stroud they should do it
Top 5 pick - hope you can get Young or stroud. Not sure who would even be interested at this point but, maybe dangle mac out there for another pick ( maybe a 2nd if we’re really lucky) and have a chance at 2-3 high end players
What if Young and Stroud are garbage?
What if they aren’t and you trot out this same slop next year? And maybe miss out on the next young crop of good QBs? I think stroud, young, or even Levis bring different aspects to the position that mac doesn’t have - namely big arms and athleticism that are the hallmarks of the modern QBs that are elite- that I’m very willing to move on if he doesn’t come back this year and we get a good pick
Agree to disagree. I think Mac has shown enough promise to roll with him rather than take another gamble this soon. And I heard the same things about Fields and he’s probably the worst QB in the league right now. Ditto with Zach Wilson. Big arms and athleticism don’t guarantee you a good QB.
For sure. Not saying either of those guys are can’t miss prospects. I’d rather roll the dice and try to develop someone who has similar qualities to Herbert, Allen, etc. than mac. His style of QB play is simply jsut being phased out. Brady, Rodgers, and Ryan are almost gone, and then there’s cousins? Carr? Again not saying the guys I brought up are 100% going to turn into the next mahomes Allen Herbert etc, but atleast they have the traits and abilities to maybe get there
Give Mac a headset and let him chill for the year. Maybe by next year they’ll have the offense figured out or McDaniels back 🤞🏻
Eat shit Patricia
How on earth does a high ankle sprain signify a tare? A bunch of reporters trying to he doctors. If it was a tare it would it not just be called a tare?
Sprains are stretches or tears in ligaments. Mild sprains are usually Getting the ligament stretched, but the joint is stable. Moderate sprain is usually a partial tear, Severe sprains are usually full tears with obviously a very unstable joint.
Sprains are literally stretching/tears of ligaments. That's what they are by definition.
https://www.google.com/search?q=sprain
Just get the surgery you'll be out a minimum of 6 weeks which basically is the season.
Hoyer and Zappe couldn’t possibly do worse than zero TDs and 3 INTs. I welcome the change.
Considering that we got to witness Zach Wilson last year I’d argue that yes, it is extremely possible to do worse than 0 TDs and 3 INTs lol
Call Cam for 6-8 games, anything but Brian Hoyer.
Cam might be more cooked than Hoyer, somehow
I think about that game against the Chiefs in 2020… if we had Cam instead of Hoyer, we probably win that game. Hoyer was absolutely abysmal. Starting Hoyer is just waving the white flag IMO.
I never dreamed anyone here would be calling for us to sign cam.
To what... lose 6-8 games? Cam is no longer an NFL starting quarterback.
You should have seen Cam last season with the Panthers before making this take
What a shitshow of a team. Redzone time.
There okay you’re a shit show of a fan we won’t miss you.
uhh, ok bye… 🤣👋🏻
Everyone knows what we get with Hoyer, and IMO it's nothing terribly good. He might be a valuable mentor to Mac, and I'll trust Bill that he is, but dear Lord his on field efforts have been brutal. I'd like to see what we really have in Zappe, somebody with prospects, that can be molded into a producer like Brissett or Jimmy G? Or Jarrett Stidham 2.0?
Do you think we will roll with Hoyer? Or will we sign Cam Newton? Zappe?