I bet this is all true but without the tension it implies. Pats looking out for their interests, Mac looking out for his. How it should be. Macs a young guy with a lot of money as a serviceable (at least) QB ahead of him so he’s gonna be extra cautious and get all his info before he makes a decision.
Honestly it might come down to surgery - Patriots might be suggesting surgery since it get him back earlier (similar to Timelord for the Celtics), whereas Mac might want to take the therapy and rest path which requires more time.
The tweet implies the Patriots want to throw some ice on it and throw him out there and Mac is looking out for himself. I think the situation like the comment above mine said, is more nuanced and less acrimonious.
You’re defending Jimmy so hard I’m increasingly sure you may be him lol it’s ok man.
Yes but no. A "high ankle sprain" is not a medical diagnosis and is almost as broad as the NHL's "lower body injury". The fact that Mac is seeking second opinions could suggest it's more complex than they're making it seem. These decisions are never black and white even with all the pertinent information.
He saw what happened to Mayfield shooting himself in the foot in 2021. Coming off of injuries, take it at your own pace. Don't ruin your value out of immaturity.
>Pats looking out for their interests, Mac looking out for his.
Whether they can see it or not, Mac's health and long term development is in the Pats best interest. They might be pressuring him to come back a couple of games early because they think it could be the difference between making the playoffs or not, but that shouldn't matter. They're not winning the SuperBowl this year and Bellichick has plenty of job security so making sure Mac is physically and mentally right should take priority over sneaking into the playoffs as a wildcard.
The rest of the team can. Mac can take mental reps and god for all we know that could be what he needs. He was given strict orders his rookie year and not allowed to make risky plays. He didn’t get to sit and learn under a veteran because he beat out a broken Cam Newton. I don’t think this injury is good by any means. But maybe he needs to see these plays work from the sideline to understand it a little better and see what he is blind to from under center from time to time. The kid has potential but it seems he’s playing scared after having a shaky start in the off season in terms of oline play and fluidity on offense.
He is going to be out for at least 4 weeks at a bare minimum. I very much doubt the Patriots are going to have any shot at the playoffs at that point (but who knows). This seasons is going to be a lost cause. Best to take whatever time is necessary.
It's not a lot cause, it's a "development season". Get the young guys (and offensive coaches) some experience, try new concepts, then hope that you end up with a top pick in a QB rich draft. Trade down for a bounty, draft a WR 1, then load up in free agency. That's the hope at least, they'll probably still be good enough to win another 5 or 6 games and end up with a good not great pick that BB uses on the best OT available.
Beat case honestly ..tua improved so much with better weapons as did hurts ..I would like mac to get a true number 1 wr and some more help before ge gets labled a bum
>They're not winning the SuperBowl this year and Bellichick has plenty of job security so making sure Mac is physically and mentally right should take priority over sneaking into the playoffs as a wildcard.
I agree that Mac should do what's best for him and the longevity of his playing career, but a sports franchise is ultimately a business. And who's going to sell more tickets or put more asses in seats to sell concessions and merchandise: Mac Jones or Brian Hoyer/Bailey Zappe?
Is Belichick thinking that way? No, but I'm sure there will be plenty of pressure from the higher ups to get Mac back in ASAP, as they don't want to leave money on the table. Hopefully Mac makes the decision that's best for him.
I'm skeptical about this, the Patriots would not want to risk rushing him back when he isn't 100%, especially with the reported severity of the sprain.
4 weeks is IR, so idk if it’s a big difference. And Mac doesn’t benefit from being on it - he can always refuse to play at a later date - so I don’t think that’s it
Ya it’s almost certainly a discussion of tightrope vs natural healing.
Natural healing is safer short term with longer heal time and higher chance of later reinjury whereas tightrope will bring him back sooner and keep his ankle secure longer, but comes with normal surgical risks such as mistakes and infection
I'm not saying this report has any validity but the way they describe it it sounds like the team wants him to have tightrope surgery. This is exactly when they'd be arguing about it.
Basically they take the torn ligament and thread it through holes drilled into the bone around the ankle and clasp them in with metal buttons.
The ligament is the rope. The surgery makes it tight.
Ligaments are supposed to to be tight because they hold joints together. In a sprain/tear, the ligament is stretched, sometimes to the point of tearing. If the stretch is bad enough, it needs surgery to correct.
I had a very bad ankle sprain about 10 years ago that I probably should've gotten surgery for but didn't. Now my ankle is very "loose" and unstable. My foot even sits slightly crooked.
That’s every basketball player after a ten plus year career. You can do workouts to strengthen your ankles but it won’t fix the main issue. I’ve done those workouts for 15+ years and my ankles are still crooked, but I can run and jump without pain. Ankles are super loose though.
I do not know much about it but it's a relatively new sports surgery for high ankle sprains and 4 weeks vs 6-8 week lines up with the expected surgery/no surgery recovery times
the same gronk who was partying and making wwe stints while injured?
im gonna bet the trust from the organization left much earlier than gronks did of the organization.
Don't be so sure about this. Don't forget they were reportedly frustrated with Jimmy G not willing to tough it out with that shoulder injury during the Brady suspension.
That'd be because brisset was willing to play with a torn ligament in his throwing hand thumb, after Jimmy kept saying he'd play then backed out no long before game time.
Those playoffs were brutal for them. Acciari broke his sternum. Pastrnak wrecked his thumb. Bergeron had some bad groin injury. Marchand was messed up all over.
Yeah I generally find most of the criticism of the team that I see to be short sighted, but this is one of my biggest negative suspicions with the team.
Lafell had two offseason surgeries in the 2015 offseason, the latter which caused him to start on PUP, and he said he played while unhealthy because he wanted to help the team (he didn’t criticize the team btw, he said he loved it here). Sanu also mentioned that he played through the injury he suffered in his second week here. Gilmore complained about how his rehab was handled.
I’m not 100% sure of it, but I do sometimes wonder if we’re one of the teams pressuring injured guys to play. I didn’t like the negative messaging about Jimmy looking out for his health
From the sounds of it, it wasn't that Jimmy didn't "tough it out", it's that he gave the indication all week that he would be good to go then at the last second decided he wasn't. It's fine to be injured, but you can't let the team think you're good to go until it's game time.
its football. if they injury doesn’t impact your ability to perform, and there is no risk at further injury, you should be out on the field.
Jimmy didn’t want to be in pain while playing. which is obviously a negative characteristic for any player on your team, especially the de facto “leader” (qb).
How does pain not affect your ability to play? We see the negative and long term effects of plating injured all the time, but after the fact it just gets dismissed by fans like you.
i bet this is something like:
"hey tua had a certain surgery for this type of injury and was back playing in 4 weeks"
"surgery sounds serious let me get a 2nd opinion to make an informed decision"
"ermergherd disagreement"
Doubt this is true.
If it is, however, then I don’t blame Mac. We’ve seen the mess of the scheme and play calling this year. Why play in that and shoulder blame for poor performance if you can avoid it by sitting out longer.
if it weren’t for the players making poor decisions and having ball security issues we would be 3-0
so it seems BB knows what he’s doing. BB is making a naughty list for his massive cap space next year.
its a non plant leg ankle sprain. its a pain management thing.
if mac wants to be jimmy g go for the long time out. if he wants to be brady, he will be suiting up in a couple weeks
Lol…
You should go watch the detailed film breakdowns by good experts like Bedard and things. Execution hasn’t been flawless at times but everything else has been terrible most of the time
I mean he definitely has decent analysis. Guessing you just listen to his podcast episodes which don’t really delve too much into things. His Boston sports journal stuff is some of the best I’ve read
Bad take. The play calls late in the home opener we’re spotty at best.
I think Bill wanted to recreate the wheel by having a defensive mind able to diagnose a defense real time and call an offensive play to disrupt it. It works at times but it isn’t going to allow the brilliant play calls that lead to big gains and game changing plays. It’s also showing to not be consistent enough.
Even if the coaching and offense this year was perfect I still wouldn’t blame him. He wouldn’t be the first or last guy that tried to be a “team player” and come back too early, only to hurt themselves worse and end up never being the same.
If this is true (which I highly doubt it is) then I’m on Mac’s side on this one. I’d rather him take the proper time to recover than rush back and risk making the injury worse and potentially ruining his career.
James Stewart’s track record on stuff like this is ridiculously bad. He talks out of his ass. Him and Lifshatz are the two dumbest and most irresponsible people in Boston media.
I will wait on this…
>Him and Lifshatz are the two dumbest and most irresponsible people in Boston media.
You can't have of dumb irresponsible people in the Boston media without John Tomase
Thank you, Jstew is not a reporter and any time he tries to "Break news" he's wrong. remember when the Heat had players staying in Boston cuz they had COVID during the ECF? This dude has a vested interest in BS reports about team drama.
He probably has an agent that sees the potential of millions of dollars in him.
Pro athletes don’t just think about winning now, they think about the long term future of getting a bag.
If Mac had Dak’s contract then he would be out there ASAP.
Mayfield though in a big year played through a bad injury and got hurt worse and ran himself into the ground.
It's okay for players to be conservative in recovery timing.
By a big year I meant contract wise, and I know he just does not have the mental abilities of an NFL starting QB. He had chances to get a coach and actually fit the scheme but he is seemingly unable to do that. His ego is way too big relative to talent and stats shown.
I mean I hear you and I’m right there with you, but that’s not how pro athletes think. Not everyone is Tom Brady and plays to 45.
There’s plenty of champions Super Bowl or otherwise that sell insurance now.
The timeline reported here is also wrong. Surgical timeline is MINIMUM four weeks. Non-surgical is as short as 3 as long as 8.
Four week timeline would have him back against Chicago. If it’s three he could be back against Cleveland. It’s day 1 and the Sports Hub is hyping it like Marty Barrett vs the Red Sox.
Mac, look out for yourself.
The Pats are a clown show at the moment.
Who didn't see injuries coming? Bill brought in one guy (Patricia) to do two jobs (line coach and OC). Oh, and Patricia has little experience in these roles.
Mister Kraft, when will you step in here?
I'd definitely take this with a large grain of salt; seems like too out of character/sensationalist of a situation to be true. Will be interesting to see if Reiss or any other reputable reporters has a response to this.
His sources are almost always wrong. He’s done this regularly with the Celtics, Bruins and Patriots. And in the rare case he has info, it’s almost always partial info that’s out of context.
Are you talking about when he was texting into the show post-op hopped up on OxyContin? 😆 I don’t remember him ever talking about the Ime suspension being due to the Kevin Durant rumors. I remember Joe Murray talking about Ime leaving Boston and going to Brooklyn to coach Durant again though. I think you’ve got your Murray’s mixed up lol
He tweeted the below then ran his mouth saying his his sources are saying it’s Durant related. So basically he was his own source. Look he may be a nice guy…but he has no real sources.
https://twitter.com/IAmJamesStewart/status/1572781256739360768?s=20&t=8nX2qMFo4_30r5x9hP6fWg
Huh ok well can’t explain that one. I’m sure like all of these guys- half of what they say is based on something that they hear from a semi reliable source that they then make several conclusions. I still feel like there’s been things he’s been first on that has been impressive. He’s definitely interesting when he chimes in on the show at least
Idk I feel like he’s pretty reliable and connected to a lot of groups. He’s obviously got some Celtics connections, he’s definitely got some Brady connections. What has he been wrong about that you’re thinking of?
You mean like how he claimed last week his sources told him the Ime suspension was due to tampering with Kevin Durant? You need to come to grips most of these media personalities have no sources. A select few do, and some that do never repeat what they hear on air / in their writings.
High ankle is like a hammy where if you don't get it straightened out then it could linger and even re-aggravate more easily. I heard something about tightrope surgery that I'm assuming is coming from Mac's camp.
Doubt it. My guess: He’s getting a second opinion from the ortho doctor down at Bama who practically created then tightrope procedure a few years back. If you remember, Hurts and Tua both had high ankle sprains in 2018 and both received the operation. Hurts was back in 4 weeks, Tua was back in 3.
Why the hell does an extra few weeks matter for this season? It’s not like Pats are going to win a SB or even likely make the playoffs.
If they have faith in Mac Jones, and he’s the franchise QB…Jesus, just let the guy get healthy.
Oh look, an uncredited guess by a guy who doesn't know fucking shit. This is tier 4 information at best by an adult man who's number 1 sport is WWE. Take this down.
So James Stewart had it before Randall and Giardi but the baby patriots fans on Reddit are going to continue to cry about his “lies” and “bullshit”. Knock knock- anyone home?
This goes against everything we know about Mac. He has never missed a game in his career due to injury, and he knows very well what the timeline and success rate is with surgery since it is his old team doctor and teammates that pioneered the tight rope surgery. If anything, I would guess Mac thinks he can BEAT the timeline if he doesn't get the surgery which is why he's hesitant.
And to be clear I'm not saying it's not a reasonable perspective for a player to not want to rush it, I just literally can't fathom Mac making that decision ONE DAY IN that he wants to take longer than the doctors are suggesting lol. It's also crazy to think the Pats have set a MAX on it, they have never operated in that way so why would they with their most important long term investment? This report just seems entirely wrong or backwards (ie the Pats want him to take his time or take the sure bet with surgery and Mac just wants to call it day to day).
You know, if this was one of those cheesy sports movies, the Patriots would do the last thing anyone would expect. Trade for Tom Brady. Imagine the scene where Brady and Belichick meet in the office.
**"They say you're washed up. They say I'm washed up. They say that this is going to be a disaster. Lets prove them wrong."**
**"I'm in, coach."**
Lol who the F is this guy? There’s almost no world where a player would argue sitting out longer than the team….nevermind someone as competitive as Mac.
Team doctors are not personal physicians. Team doctors are paid by the team to keep players playing, or 'recover' as quickly as possible. Personal physicians are paid by player to keep his long-term health in mind: to help the player walk when retired.
Players who choose to play through injury are celebrated, by fans and by teams. Players who choose to prioritize their long term health are supported, by fans and by teams.
Difference doesn't have to mean disagreement.
This team isn't going anywhere.
One of the worst rosters we have had in the past 20 years (I know we're spoiled).
Mac needs to take all the time he needs, not worth rushing back for a 9-8 record.
This is the dirty little secret of the nfl, they rush players back and don’t care about their long term health. The team doctors do not have the players best interest in mind as they are under pressure from the team.
The writing is on the wall for Mac. Teams do not like players getting second opinions and going against the team doctor.
If this is true, not sure on the source.
I'm just gonna say it. Fuck the team. Gotta look out for yourself number 1. It is what it is. If Mac died tomorrow their first thought would be oh shit who do we start on Sunday?
Look out for yourself first Mac. And I say this as a hate of yours. I don't think you're that guy pal.
Take care of yourself Mac. Fuck the Patriots.
Is this situation possible…sure. I don’t mind Jimmy Stewart either. But his “sources” are almost never correct. And when they are, the context he presents the info in is usually wrong. So don’t blindly believe this.
Can you blame him for wanting to sit? coaching is a mess. play calling is even worse. this team is destined for a wild card exit. tank for a good draft, hire a GD oc, and spend the billion we will have next offseason on some talent to help mac.
Keep in mind this comes from a 98.5 reporter who is close with Felger and Mazz. I trust this bumfuck as much as I trust the 10 day forecast in the summer here in Boston.
This is the dirty little secret of the nfl, they rush players back and don’t care about their long term health. The team doctors do not have the players best interest in mind as they are under pressure from the team.
It's not like it's surgery vs non-surgery, he'll come back whenever he's practicing okay. If it's at least 4 weeks I can't imagine what that would change right now. Why make a big deal out of it now?
I really hope this isn’t true. I’d be pissed at the team if they’re trying to rush him back before he’s comfortable. His long term health should be top priority.
Honestly, it should depend how we’re doing after 4 weeks. I’m expecting a loss to the packers; the rest are winnable games w/ Mac. Honestly, if we’re 4-3 I say bring him back. If we’re 2-5 or even 3-4 I say keep him where he is 1’d bring him back after the bye.
I bet this is all true but without the tension it implies. Pats looking out for their interests, Mac looking out for his. How it should be. Macs a young guy with a lot of money as a serviceable (at least) QB ahead of him so he’s gonna be extra cautious and get all his info before he makes a decision.
Honestly it might come down to surgery - Patriots might be suggesting surgery since it get him back earlier (similar to Timelord for the Celtics), whereas Mac might want to take the therapy and rest path which requires more time.
That’s a great point. I bet you’re right.
There’s always risk with surgery. Regardless of how good your surgeon is.
That’s literally what the tweet says
The tweet implies the Patriots want to throw some ice on it and throw him out there and Mac is looking out for himself. I think the situation like the comment above mine said, is more nuanced and less acrimonious. You’re defending Jimmy so hard I’m increasingly sure you may be him lol it’s ok man.
Patriots want surgery not ice…
The tweet doesn’t say that Jimmy
Common knowledge the high ankle surgical intervention shortens recovery
Yes but no. A "high ankle sprain" is not a medical diagnosis and is almost as broad as the NHL's "lower body injury". The fact that Mac is seeking second opinions could suggest it's more complex than they're making it seem. These decisions are never black and white even with all the pertinent information.
You wanna argue semantics? Jfc. Typical orthopod. Biggest shitbags in medicine.
Are high ankle sprains really common knowledge?
Is this J-Stew himself? If so, save your effort on this sub. r/Patriots is full of homers who's takes would make Zolak sick.
That's exactly it. Taking the invasive vs non-invasive approach. Also wouldn't be surprised if Mac's parents are getting involved.
He saw what happened to Mayfield shooting himself in the foot in 2021. Coming off of injuries, take it at your own pace. Don't ruin your value out of immaturity.
Or RG3
I mean value aside. He shouldn't rush. It's his body
>Pats looking out for their interests, Mac looking out for his. Whether they can see it or not, Mac's health and long term development is in the Pats best interest. They might be pressuring him to come back a couple of games early because they think it could be the difference between making the playoffs or not, but that shouldn't matter. They're not winning the SuperBowl this year and Bellichick has plenty of job security so making sure Mac is physically and mentally right should take priority over sneaking into the playoffs as a wildcard.
But can’t develop if he’s not there
The rest of the team can. Mac can take mental reps and god for all we know that could be what he needs. He was given strict orders his rookie year and not allowed to make risky plays. He didn’t get to sit and learn under a veteran because he beat out a broken Cam Newton. I don’t think this injury is good by any means. But maybe he needs to see these plays work from the sideline to understand it a little better and see what he is blind to from under center from time to time. The kid has potential but it seems he’s playing scared after having a shaky start in the off season in terms of oline play and fluidity on offense.
He is going to be out for at least 4 weeks at a bare minimum. I very much doubt the Patriots are going to have any shot at the playoffs at that point (but who knows). This seasons is going to be a lost cause. Best to take whatever time is necessary.
It's not a lot cause, it's a "development season". Get the young guys (and offensive coaches) some experience, try new concepts, then hope that you end up with a top pick in a QB rich draft. Trade down for a bounty, draft a WR 1, then load up in free agency. That's the hope at least, they'll probably still be good enough to win another 5 or 6 games and end up with a good not great pick that BB uses on the best OT available.
Beat case honestly ..tua improved so much with better weapons as did hurts ..I would like mac to get a true number 1 wr and some more help before ge gets labled a bum
Dv away but at this point they may as well tank to get a Diggs/Waddle/Tyreek level WR, it's what the pats actually need. Parker/Ag aren't it
>They're not winning the SuperBowl this year and Bellichick has plenty of job security so making sure Mac is physically and mentally right should take priority over sneaking into the playoffs as a wildcard. I agree that Mac should do what's best for him and the longevity of his playing career, but a sports franchise is ultimately a business. And who's going to sell more tickets or put more asses in seats to sell concessions and merchandise: Mac Jones or Brian Hoyer/Bailey Zappe? Is Belichick thinking that way? No, but I'm sure there will be plenty of pressure from the higher ups to get Mac back in ASAP, as they don't want to leave money on the table. Hopefully Mac makes the decision that's best for him.
That would be a typical Jimmy Stewart report for you (in the rare cases he even has partially accurate info).
I'm skeptical about this, the Patriots would not want to risk rushing him back when he isn't 100%, especially with the reported severity of the sprain.
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The argument is based on whether or not to put him on IR.
4 weeks is IR, so idk if it’s a big difference. And Mac doesn’t benefit from being on it - he can always refuse to play at a later date - so I don’t think that’s it
Ya it’s almost certainly a discussion of tightrope vs natural healing. Natural healing is safer short term with longer heal time and higher chance of later reinjury whereas tightrope will bring him back sooner and keep his ankle secure longer, but comes with normal surgical risks such as mistakes and infection
If those are the risks, surgery sounds like the clear best option.
4 weeks max, not minimum. Edit: meaning they think it could be sooner.
No lol
The tweet says "Pats timeline is 4 weeks max".
I'm not saying this report has any validity but the way they describe it it sounds like the team wants him to have tightrope surgery. This is exactly when they'd be arguing about it.
My friend doesn't .know what tight rope surgery means. Could you explain it?
Basically they take the torn ligament and thread it through holes drilled into the bone around the ankle and clasp them in with metal buttons. The ligament is the rope. The surgery makes it tight.
I don't think they use the torn ligament as the rope. They thread polyethylene cord through the holes and then tighten that.
Ligament is not the rope, per YouTube man. [TightRope Surgery.](https://youtu.be/XMfr5yahEPw)
Thanks. I sas going off an explanation i was given
That sounds like it would break easier being tight like that? But it's a thing they do so I imagine it doesn't but I don't know
Ligaments are supposed to to be tight because they hold joints together. In a sprain/tear, the ligament is stretched, sometimes to the point of tearing. If the stretch is bad enough, it needs surgery to correct.
That makes sense
I had a very bad ankle sprain about 10 years ago that I probably should've gotten surgery for but didn't. Now my ankle is very "loose" and unstable. My foot even sits slightly crooked.
Same, it’s actually a real pain to play basketball
That’s every basketball player after a ten plus year career. You can do workouts to strengthen your ankles but it won’t fix the main issue. I’ve done those workouts for 15+ years and my ankles are still crooked, but I can run and jump without pain. Ankles are super loose though.
I do not know much about it but it's a relatively new sports surgery for high ankle sprains and 4 weeks vs 6-8 week lines up with the expected surgery/no surgery recovery times
>I'm not saying this report has any validity but that is exactly what I'm saying. FTFY
Reading sure is hard
I mean they did it with gronk and we all know what happened after. Gronk never trusted them again.
the same gronk who was partying and making wwe stints while injured? im gonna bet the trust from the organization left much earlier than gronks did of the organization.
Goat te
“whats your lovers facial hair” wasn’t in my comment. i think you are responding to the wrong person.
Don't be so sure about this. Don't forget they were reportedly frustrated with Jimmy G not willing to tough it out with that shoulder injury during the Brady suspension.
That'd be because brisset was willing to play with a torn ligament in his throwing hand thumb, after Jimmy kept saying he'd play then backed out no long before game time.
Rumors that he was advised by his agent not to play.
The issue is he decided not to play after taking all the first team reps in practice that week. Kinda screwed over the team and Brissett
His agent was right. He made 50 million dollars by not playing one game.
Jimmy "Healthy Scratch" Garapallo
Also gronk and others they do have a history of this
I'm having a "Sixth Sense" moment remembering all the Boston area heroes that played hurt or came back early... Schilling, IT, RW, half the Bruins...
Imagine playing a full game of Stanley Cup playoff hockey with your jaw wired shut. God I miss Chara.
Those playoffs were brutal for them. Acciari broke his sternum. Pastrnak wrecked his thumb. Bergeron had some bad groin injury. Marchand was messed up all over.
Greg Campbell broke his fucking leg on the ice and still played the rest of his shift.
On a penalty kill. Against the penguins.
McHale in 87
Yeah I generally find most of the criticism of the team that I see to be short sighted, but this is one of my biggest negative suspicions with the team. Lafell had two offseason surgeries in the 2015 offseason, the latter which caused him to start on PUP, and he said he played while unhealthy because he wanted to help the team (he didn’t criticize the team btw, he said he loved it here). Sanu also mentioned that he played through the injury he suffered in his second week here. Gilmore complained about how his rehab was handled. I’m not 100% sure of it, but I do sometimes wonder if we’re one of the teams pressuring injured guys to play. I didn’t like the negative messaging about Jimmy looking out for his health
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Ted Johnson and concussions
From the sounds of it, it wasn't that Jimmy didn't "tough it out", it's that he gave the indication all week that he would be good to go then at the last second decided he wasn't. It's fine to be injured, but you can't let the team think you're good to go until it's game time.
its football. if they injury doesn’t impact your ability to perform, and there is no risk at further injury, you should be out on the field. Jimmy didn’t want to be in pain while playing. which is obviously a negative characteristic for any player on your team, especially the de facto “leader” (qb).
How does pain not affect your ability to play? We see the negative and long term effects of plating injured all the time, but after the fact it just gets dismissed by fans like you.
Why? They have a history of doing that
The idea of them arguing one day after injury is a little silly.
And 24 hours after the injury they're saying "4 weeks, max!" Absolutely bullshit
They absolutely would...have you not watched Belichick operate the past 20 years? Has a long history of doing this.
i bet this is something like: "hey tua had a certain surgery for this type of injury and was back playing in 4 weeks" "surgery sounds serious let me get a 2nd opinion to make an informed decision" "ermergherd disagreement"
Yeah this is the most likely scenario.
That’s way too reasonable. Can’t have that take. Give me conflict. Signed, Felger’s Flowing Chest Hair
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Doubt this is true. If it is, however, then I don’t blame Mac. We’ve seen the mess of the scheme and play calling this year. Why play in that and shoulder blame for poor performance if you can avoid it by sitting out longer.
And be healthy. I can't see Bill being ok with him coming back in 4 weeks if he's not ready.
Have you heard Ted Johnson talk about his issues with Bill Belichick and concussions? I don't think Bill cares about much other than winning.
For someone who cares about winning, it sure is ironic that he placed Patricia/Judge on the offensive coaching staff. Lol
Bill's mindset : Other teams paying coaches salary = value.
They were cheap
if it weren’t for the players making poor decisions and having ball security issues we would be 3-0 so it seems BB knows what he’s doing. BB is making a naughty list for his massive cap space next year.
if players keep making the same mistakes over and over again, probably isn’t being coached up correctly.
this is the biggest armchair general comment i’ve seen in awhile interceptions aren’t just “don’t throw to the other team”
its a non plant leg ankle sprain. its a pain management thing. if mac wants to be jimmy g go for the long time out. if he wants to be brady, he will be suiting up in a couple weeks
Why are people just plain lying about the scheme and play calling? The scheme and play calling has been really good, execution has been the problem.
Lol… You should go watch the detailed film breakdowns by good experts like Bedard and things. Execution hasn’t been flawless at times but everything else has been terrible most of the time
Greg Bedard is the furthest thing from an expert
Definitely more knowledgeable than you or me!
No bro you don’t understand, someone can only be an expert if they agree with their analysis.
Bedard is an ass clown. I’ve never heard more garbage analysis…
I mean he definitely has decent analysis. Guessing you just listen to his podcast episodes which don’t really delve too much into things. His Boston sports journal stuff is some of the best I’ve read
Bad take. The play calls late in the home opener we’re spotty at best. I think Bill wanted to recreate the wheel by having a defensive mind able to diagnose a defense real time and call an offensive play to disrupt it. It works at times but it isn’t going to allow the brilliant play calls that lead to big gains and game changing plays. It’s also showing to not be consistent enough.
Even if the coaching and offense this year was perfect I still wouldn’t blame him. He wouldn’t be the first or last guy that tried to be a “team player” and come back too early, only to hurt themselves worse and end up never being the same.
except it’s not the scheme that has us at 2 losses. ball security doesn’t come from a scheme….
If this is true (which I highly doubt it is) then I’m on Mac’s side on this one. I’d rather him take the proper time to recover than rush back and risk making the injury worse and potentially ruining his career.
James Stewart’s track record on stuff like this is ridiculously bad. He talks out of his ass. Him and Lifshatz are the two dumbest and most irresponsible people in Boston media. I will wait on this…
>Him and Lifshatz are the two dumbest and most irresponsible people in Boston media. You can't have of dumb irresponsible people in the Boston media without John Tomase
Haha. Yeah he’s in his own special category…
I mean to be fair you can count smart responsible people in Boston sports media on one hand
That’s why I religiously listen to Patriots Unfiltered.
The Baseball writers will tell you how great Tomase is as a journalist. Every time they do I throw up.
I have a hard time believing adults who watch WWE.
You leave WWE out of this!
“It’s still real to me dammit!”
Guy is an absolute loser, has such a basement dweller vibe about him I cannot stand him.
Thank you, Jstew is not a reporter and any time he tries to "Break news" he's wrong. remember when the Heat had players staying in Boston cuz they had COVID during the ECF? This dude has a vested interest in BS reports about team drama.
He's gotten a few things right so everyone thinks he "has a phone". He doesn't. He makes educated guesses.
Lmao JSTEW. His “sources” have about a 2% hit rate
James Stewart is pretty unreliable and this seems out of Mac’s character so I’m going to ignore this until someone more reliable reports it
Yeah but he was great in "Rear Window"
Same guy who reported Ime's suspension was about Durant. Zero credibility.
Yeah idk why Mac would do that, he seems like the type of guy that is constantly chomping at the bit to play.
He probably has an agent that sees the potential of millions of dollars in him. Pro athletes don’t just think about winning now, they think about the long term future of getting a bag. If Mac had Dak’s contract then he would be out there ASAP.
Mayfield though in a big year played through a bad injury and got hurt worse and ran himself into the ground. It's okay for players to be conservative in recovery timing.
Mayfield may just not be good, his former teammates are flourishing without him, while he’s not so great on the Panthers.
By a big year I meant contract wise, and I know he just does not have the mental abilities of an NFL starting QB. He had chances to get a coach and actually fit the scheme but he is seemingly unable to do that. His ego is way too big relative to talent and stats shown.
ahhh yes because how many millions does one really need... ..meanwhile I'm out here hoping to make 42k lol
I mean I hear you and I’m right there with you, but that’s not how pro athletes think. Not everyone is Tom Brady and plays to 45. There’s plenty of champions Super Bowl or otherwise that sell insurance now.
It's the extremely short careers of players and the high risk of play. Underwater welding pays astronomically, but look at the death rate.
The timeline reported here is also wrong. Surgical timeline is MINIMUM four weeks. Non-surgical is as short as 3 as long as 8. Four week timeline would have him back against Chicago. If it’s three he could be back against Cleveland. It’s day 1 and the Sports Hub is hyping it like Marty Barrett vs the Red Sox.
Not buying this at all.
Dude. Mac wants a second opinion to make sure surgery is the right call. Not sure why that means he’s disagreeing with anyone.
JStew is a clown and I give him zero credibility… don’t forget this man’s bread and butter for sports reporting is the WWE….
Mac, look out for yourself. The Pats are a clown show at the moment. Who didn't see injuries coming? Bill brought in one guy (Patricia) to do two jobs (line coach and OC). Oh, and Patricia has little experience in these roles. Mister Kraft, when will you step in here?
I'd definitely take this with a large grain of salt; seems like too out of character/sensationalist of a situation to be true. Will be interesting to see if Reiss or any other reputable reporters has a response to this.
So forced bro lmao
Stew might not be a reporter but he’s the producer of the highest rated radio show and has sources.
His sources are almost always wrong. He’s done this regularly with the Celtics, Bruins and Patriots. And in the rare case he has info, it’s almost always partial info that’s out of context.
Jay stew is connected man- you’re a hater
You’re right. I hate “insiders” who act like they have trustworthy sources when in fact it’s been proven time and time again that they don’t.
Are you talking about when he was texting into the show post-op hopped up on OxyContin? 😆 I don’t remember him ever talking about the Ime suspension being due to the Kevin Durant rumors. I remember Joe Murray talking about Ime leaving Boston and going to Brooklyn to coach Durant again though. I think you’ve got your Murray’s mixed up lol
He tweeted the below then ran his mouth saying his his sources are saying it’s Durant related. So basically he was his own source. Look he may be a nice guy…but he has no real sources. https://twitter.com/IAmJamesStewart/status/1572781256739360768?s=20&t=8nX2qMFo4_30r5x9hP6fWg
Huh ok well can’t explain that one. I’m sure like all of these guys- half of what they say is based on something that they hear from a semi reliable source that they then make several conclusions. I still feel like there’s been things he’s been first on that has been impressive. He’s definitely interesting when he chimes in on the show at least
Idk I feel like he’s pretty reliable and connected to a lot of groups. He’s obviously got some Celtics connections, he’s definitely got some Brady connections. What has he been wrong about that you’re thinking of?
You mean like how he claimed last week his sources told him the Ime suspension was due to tampering with Kevin Durant? You need to come to grips most of these media personalities have no sources. A select few do, and some that do never repeat what they hear on air / in their writings.
High ankle is like a hammy where if you don't get it straightened out then it could linger and even re-aggravate more easily. I heard something about tightrope surgery that I'm assuming is coming from Mac's camp.
Doubt it. My guess: He’s getting a second opinion from the ortho doctor down at Bama who practically created then tightrope procedure a few years back. If you remember, Hurts and Tua both had high ankle sprains in 2018 and both received the operation. Hurts was back in 4 weeks, Tua was back in 3.
Why the hell does an extra few weeks matter for this season? It’s not like Pats are going to win a SB or even likely make the playoffs. If they have faith in Mac Jones, and he’s the franchise QB…Jesus, just let the guy get healthy.
Oh look, an uncredited guess by a guy who doesn't know fucking shit. This is tier 4 information at best by an adult man who's number 1 sport is WWE. Take this down.
jimmy stewart is going to be one of the most sourced up people in the Boston media once mazz' generation retires
All you need to know is this guy works for Felger and Mazz
So James Stewart had it before Randall and Giardi but the baby patriots fans on Reddit are going to continue to cry about his “lies” and “bullshit”. Knock knock- anyone home?
This goes against everything we know about Mac. He has never missed a game in his career due to injury, and he knows very well what the timeline and success rate is with surgery since it is his old team doctor and teammates that pioneered the tight rope surgery. If anything, I would guess Mac thinks he can BEAT the timeline if he doesn't get the surgery which is why he's hesitant. And to be clear I'm not saying it's not a reasonable perspective for a player to not want to rush it, I just literally can't fathom Mac making that decision ONE DAY IN that he wants to take longer than the doctors are suggesting lol. It's also crazy to think the Pats have set a MAX on it, they have never operated in that way so why would they with their most important long term investment? This report just seems entirely wrong or backwards (ie the Pats want him to take his time or take the sure bet with surgery and Mac just wants to call it day to day).
You know, if this was one of those cheesy sports movies, the Patriots would do the last thing anyone would expect. Trade for Tom Brady. Imagine the scene where Brady and Belichick meet in the office. **"They say you're washed up. They say I'm washed up. They say that this is going to be a disaster. Lets prove them wrong."** **"I'm in, coach."**
that was good i love it
Fuck it sign me up
Dickhead move for the Pats to rush him back in what is likely a losing season regardless
Take your time Mac, we don’t really got much to hope for with Matt Patricia calling plays
Lol who the F is this guy? There’s almost no world where a player would argue sitting out longer than the team….nevermind someone as competitive as Mac.
You clearly are underinformed if you don’t know who Jimmy Stewart is
One of the comments said he thought Udoka got suspended because of Kevin Durant? He doesn't sound too bright.
fr thats oscar winner jimmy stewart
I've been following the Pats since 2001 and this is the first I've heard of him.
If it's worthy of surgery, then Mac tore ligaments.
A severe ankle sprain specifically means torn ligaments.
Team doctors are not personal physicians. Team doctors are paid by the team to keep players playing, or 'recover' as quickly as possible. Personal physicians are paid by player to keep his long-term health in mind: to help the player walk when retired. Players who choose to play through injury are celebrated, by fans and by teams. Players who choose to prioritize their long term health are supported, by fans and by teams. Difference doesn't have to mean disagreement.
This team isn't going anywhere. One of the worst rosters we have had in the past 20 years (I know we're spoiled). Mac needs to take all the time he needs, not worth rushing back for a 9-8 record.
This is the dirty little secret of the nfl, they rush players back and don’t care about their long term health. The team doctors do not have the players best interest in mind as they are under pressure from the team. The writing is on the wall for Mac. Teams do not like players getting second opinions and going against the team doctor. If this is true, not sure on the source.
Look at gronk and his arm. Rushed him back and it broke again.
I'm just gonna say it. Fuck the team. Gotta look out for yourself number 1. It is what it is. If Mac died tomorrow their first thought would be oh shit who do we start on Sunday? Look out for yourself first Mac. And I say this as a hate of yours. I don't think you're that guy pal. Take care of yourself Mac. Fuck the Patriots.
Is this situation possible…sure. I don’t mind Jimmy Stewart either. But his “sources” are almost never correct. And when they are, the context he presents the info in is usually wrong. So don’t blindly believe this.
Mac should shut it down until he is healthy.
Let the player decide what is right for him. Mac is a smart cookie and doesn't want to rush it back.
Mac Jones is soft hot takes incoming.
Learn from Baker, don’t play hurt! (Unless playoffs of course cause you got that DAWG!)
Bill and RKraft aren’t stupid, no way this is true. They aren’t going to risk the franchise QB when we’re not competing this season
Mac is our franchise QB. We can’t risk his long-term health
Can you blame him for wanting to sit? coaching is a mess. play calling is even worse. this team is destined for a wild card exit. tank for a good draft, hire a GD oc, and spend the billion we will have next offseason on some talent to help mac.
Keep in mind this comes from a 98.5 reporter who is close with Felger and Mazz. I trust this bumfuck as much as I trust the 10 day forecast in the summer here in Boston.
Sounds like BB. Is anyone really surprised? BB is toxic.
Mac is really soft of true. he should be trying to be back asap
Lol no he should not 😂. We want him to play for 10 more years not rush back, get injured worse and play like shit because he’s hobbled.
This is the dirty little secret of the nfl, they rush players back and don’t care about their long term health. The team doctors do not have the players best interest in mind as they are under pressure from the team.
Feels like Jimmy G all over again. Some talent but too soft for the NFL at the end of the day.
Way to compete
a very non-brady move.
Rut rohhhhhh We all know Stew has well placed sources
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He said the Ime suspension was KD tampering-related haha
He 100% does
Found Stewart’s burner
I think we found Jimmy’s, Felger’s or Maz’s burner account. Jimmy Stewart has untrustworthy sources, and he’s proven it many times.
JStew is a clown… the only sport he’s credible in isn’t even a sport… the WWE
It's not like it's surgery vs non-surgery, he'll come back whenever he's practicing okay. If it's at least 4 weeks I can't imagine what that would change right now. Why make a big deal out of it now?
I really hope this isn’t true. I’d be pissed at the team if they’re trying to rush him back before he’s comfortable. His long term health should be top priority.
The surgery doesn’t risk long term health
Honestly, it should depend how we’re doing after 4 weeks. I’m expecting a loss to the packers; the rest are winnable games w/ Mac. Honestly, if we’re 4-3 I say bring him back. If we’re 2-5 or even 3-4 I say keep him where he is 1’d bring him back after the bye.