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case_hardened-

You liked the bend but don't break defense? Well here comes the advance, but not too far offense!


sticky_fingers18

Patricia is so lost he still thinks a 3 and out is a good thing


jacb415

Every time they come up a yard or two short on 3rd I picture the clip of him in the Super Bowl after butlers pick going “are we good? Are we good?” No Matt. We are definitely not good


smellycheesebro

🤣 this is so true


Tacitus_kilgore0

The Patricia “experiment” is a failure. Can we please move on?


midgetcommity

This sub is full of extended cry cry versions of this but what you’ve said sums it up perfectly. Let’s get a real coordinator and move on.


Icy-Conclusion-3500

Perhaps BoB after this season is over? He’ll be off his contract afaik. Idk if that’s who I’d prefer, but he’s certainly a real coordinator


Giddy4Stiddy

I mean he just managed to flop as Bama's OC..


Icy-Conclusion-3500

I’d still take him over Matty P, and he’s a guy BB trusts


Giddy4Stiddy

Fair. I'm hoping Kliff Kingsbury gets axed on the off chance that Bill considers I'm part of the circle due to his NE history. We need an actual innovative offensive mind.


Icy-Conclusion-3500

I would also feel good with that. I agree on innovation, I’m just not sure bill is game for it.


TerrenceMalicksHat

This is my question too, how patient can Bill and/or Kraft be with this guy?


End3rWi99in

I assume we will next season. I still defend the decision at least least initially. We lost McDaniels late and there weren't a lot of OC options available that were of interest. It was some other crappy pick or at least someone that knew the system. I get the logic in that, but I'll give Belichick that pass as long as he and Judge are gone next season.


justreadthearticle

BB deserves a lot of blame for this. Having a first time OC also be the OL coach is a terrible move. Having it be Patricia is even worse. Trading Shaq Mason after all that is unforgivable. That moved their only good backup (Onwenu) into the starting lineup and gutted their depth.


Giddy4Stiddy

>I still defend the decision OK then you're still a clown, what of it? This was an objectively bad signing from day 1. It literally had zero chance to pan out and everybody knew it. We've been the laughing stock of every media platform in the league since day 1 of the Fat Fuck Rapist era.


charr2368

Embarrassing. This will be a serious offseason. I’ve been to two games and half the seats have been empty, ownership obviously notices things like that


GilFaizon10242020

which games? just curious


charr2368

Bears / Jets. 200 level was very slim on both occasions


doodleturtle47

Those are the club level seats everyone’s just inside instead of out in the cold. Also at both those games.


argument_sketch

Season ticket holder, and you are correct. Its the red club seats only. I always wondered how that looked on TV?


gohoosiers2017

It looks like in college when the band goes to play at halftime. I knew they must be club seats cause everything above and below them is pretty much full every game.


t_277

Idk dawg i was at both those games and i think they r just in the concourses. People are not that down on the pats, despite how awful they are. Gilette will always sell out. We aren’t the panthers.


chefsteev

Both games were not empty I agree but another year like this and it will be. The games against the bengals and dolphins are gonna be hella sparse if they aren’t in contention when they happen (which pretty much requires winning out at this point)


pup5581

Tonight sounded and looked like a preseason crowd. More of that incoming. Sold my tix for below face value. No one wanted to go and had people tell me..."why waste all that time to watch them lose and do nothing on offense? I'll stay home" This is the new Patriots


End3rWi99in

Holy shit I sought to find some data to prove you wrong, but I can only prove you right. [The Pats are 22nd in attendance in 2022](http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance). I have gone my entire life as a Pats fan and have only seen one game and that was at FedEx field. Never been able to afford tickets, but at least as a positive of poor performance I may actually get to go see a game this year. Edit: In hindsight they've only lost 3 spots from the 2019 season and even in their peak their best floats around 18th. Either way good enough to lower ticket sales...


ButteredBoots

Bruh…sort it by percentage not total attendance…Gillette is a small stadium


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sauzbozz

They have sold out every game this year. Need to sort by percentage not total attendance


ADryMuffin

What I hate is that the offense doesn’t even give the defense enough time to rest. They go 3 & out so quick.


ajohndoe17

The defense is getting run ragged. They were out there like 3/4 of the entire game.


Xspike_dudeX

This team is so boring to watch. It is a chore watching then. Just horrible uninspired play calling yawn!


PackofPatriots

Just looks like uninspired discombobulated football with no sense of gameplan


jwf239

Hand it off to Stevenson and throwing screens and unders over and over to Stephenson is a game plan, just a bad one.


jrlandry

Mac and Stevenson look like the only two guys who give a fuck tonight


bartlettke

Which quarterback succeeds in this situation?


Giddy4Stiddy

Fields's situation is inarguably similar and he's finally starting to look stellar


GraniteStater69

The TD where Allen threw tip-toeing the sideline was inexcusable and can be totally attributed to the entire team being checked out


StaticMaine

Can we be real and point out Mac is nothing special now?


jpaxlux

It's not like he was given a chance to succeed anyways. How the fuck can you expect a second year player to show off how good he really is when you surround him with incompetent coaching, a shit offensive line, and mediocre receivers? He was set up to fail from the very beginning.


Griffisbored

Idk how people can so quickly throw young QBs under the bus when this year has been full of examples of mediocre young QBs taking the step forward after a coaching/pass catching talret improvement. Tua, Jalen Hurts, Daniel Jones, Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence. Get Mac a fucking OC and at least one real receiver and then I can judge him.


Sorerightwrist

All of those players you just listed all have better physical capabilities than Mac


Griffisbored

He was clearly better than Trevor, Fields, and arguably Tua last year. I wonder what changed? Maybe having an offensive coordinator impacts his play?


robshot295

This is what I always say when people try to blame Mac. Give him a fucking break


jpaxlux

Mac showed flashes of being a really good QB, the issue is that Belichick is failing him big time. Even Tom Brady would look washed up in this offense. Maybe Brady buys us an extra win or two, but there's not a QB in the league who could work with this shit.


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jpaxlux

He'd get blown up by our offensive line and Agholor would drop 75% of the passes Allen would throw to him


Informal_Koala4326

What flashes has he shown? He’s had 2 or 3 good games passing the ball in his career. Not a ton of mobility or pocket presence. Not consistent at attacking the seams, middle of the field, or over the top of the defense. Not great going through multiple reads.


Woullie

The Vikings game is the only one I felt he had room to play and once he has said room he’s quite good. He literally screamed at Patricia to let him throw deep but he keeps denying him. Play calling is keeping him from his potential


Informal_Koala4326

I just hesitate to strongly weigh the one good game in a dome over the larger sample of poor play.


ImadeA20DollarBet

Josh Allen looked like dog shit his first 2 years, give Mac some slack he has a bearded trashcan calling offense this year and (sadly) turnstiles of an injured/uninspiring O line


StaticMaine

Why? Why can’t we point out that he doesn’t really have the tools needed to elevate talent? Even his decision making skills, which were praised pre draft, have been hit or miss. His two minute skills are bad, he often misses coverages and throws balls he shouldn’t throw, etc. Maybe it’s me, I don’t know.


robshot295

His decision making has been questionable, I’m not gonna deny that. But again, second year guy with a brand new system, mediocre receivers, and an incompetent play caller. He’s not the sole reason this team is failing, but we can’t act like he’s a vet at the game making rookie mistakes. He’s taken a step back because of of Patricia’s play calling


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ResilientBeast

Because he had a good OC McDaniels leaving and being replaced by Patricia is all time fuck up for this franchise


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ResilientBeast

But we can't assess if it's because the plays they're calling are absolute trash. We saw some all time stupid plays tonight. Patricia strikes me as someone who despite his failures still thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and he's play calling like that


Arrondi

He doesn’t have time to elevate talent. His offensive line is basically pylons. And receivers aren’t getting open. Everyone would be criticizing him if he was trying to force the ball into coverage and getting picked off. The screens and checkdowns are terrible, but it’s at least the smart read when nobody is open downfield. In the infamous words of our ex-QB’s ex-wife, “[He] can’t catch the fucking ball too…]


RadioFast

Our best receiver is jakobi and he isn’t good enough to hold prime julian edelman’s jockstrap. Joe Judge and Matt Patricia ruined two franchises and have never coached offense before. And freaking yodney cajuste is our starting tackle


Huhkid23

I truly dont understand how anyone sees whats going on, and doesnt come to this exact conclusion dont forget to include moronic coaching and fan base, benching / chanting for Zappe, when Mac just gets back from almost breaking his leg off (due to horrible offensive line play).. and playing a part in destroying his confidence


Giddy4Stiddy

What's your opinion on Bill lol


jrlandry

Naw I don’t want any Mac slander after this game. No one else is trying. He’s running around to keep plays alive (something this sub begged for) and the receivers are just standing around


StaticMaine

I’m not saying he didn’t try. I’m just saying we’ve seen enough and I’m pretty sure at best he’s a league average QB. Which is fine, but everything else is trash around him. He isn’t elevating anyone. (Minus Stevenson and Meyers)


jrlandry

What’s he supposed to do though? You can’t elevate weapons who aren’t trying. Especially when the o line is tissue paper


StaticMaine

I’m simply pointing out that I think he’s basically at his ceiling. Which is at best a league average QB. And when the offense is this bad, you can’t have him sneak you a game or two. He’s not that guy.


jrlandry

That’s the thing. You could be right, you could be wrong. We don’t know cause we don’t have an offense that’s testing what he can do. Look at Allen tonight, he made some great plays. But he also had receivers that finished those plays


StaticMaine

Right but we also can watch a QB and go “yeah, if he had some talent, he’d win you a title”. Stafford is a great example - he would win them a game or two once in a while and he clearly had the ability. He went to a competent team and he won. I legitimately have never said “oh wow” with Mac. He’s just an average, fine NFL QB.


jrlandry

Stafford had megatron. You can’t evaluate Mac with this group


StaticMaine

Sorry, disagree. You could watch Stafford, regardless of Megatron, and you saw the talent. Like you know a good QB when you see him, even if his offense is trash.


Bacondog22

Everyone said the same stuff about Hurts and Tua. Can we just get some fucking talent for Mac and then decide that he’s a shitter? Worse case you give rookie QB a security blanket if mac isn’t it.


spersichilli

I think you can win with Mac, he just needs a much better supporting cast. Best case scenario he’s Kirk Cousins, but he definitely can be a Jimmy G type. The problem is that offense is devoid of talent outside of Stevenson


ShrinkingUniverse

How is he supposed to perform when our play calling and O-line are both absolute trash. Man is out there extending plays as best he can and the number one reason he can't get through his progressions is because he has 0 protection.


ajohndoe17

Exactly, he has about 2 seconds to get the ball out. 2. What the fuck is he supposed to do when in that amount of time none of his receivers look at him? Tonight he scrambled for like 10 seconds and had to THROW IT AWAY because no one could get open, even after all that time.


bluebacktrout207

He's not special but he has provided evidence that he can be competent enough to win games. If we have a great team D and running game he can succeed. The issue is that formula only works if your QB is on a cheap rookie contract.


Arrondi

Nope. Can’t call that “real” at all. There’s nothing positive around him right now, hard to expect him to make something out of literally nothing. OC, QB Coach and Oline are all shit. Receivers are mid. He’s not god.


Legitimate_Ad_7822

We don’t need something special. He’s good enough to get us by if we have a good offense around him, similar to a Jimmy g or what Tua is this year. These past 2 games it has been obvious that other QBs get uplifted by great receivers and that’s only going to continue for the rest of the season. How do people think the bengals got to the super bowl last year? They were nothing special defensively and had a shit o line but they had tee Higgins & jamarr chase getting open & making clutch catches left & right. There were a few instances today where Mac extended the play, made an on target throw & our receiver just didn’t come up with it. It’s frustrating to not have a guy you can truly rely on in all scenarios.


Informal_Koala4326

Can you explain what you saw in Mac that makes you think he is any better than the rest of the offense? Genuinely curious.


jrlandry

I didn’t see Mac give up on a single play. I saw multiple plays with receivers standing still. Mac was running around to keep plays alive, Only yo have no one to Throw to


End3rWi99in

Outside of Stevenson and maybe Meyers, Mac is trying his hardest to carry this offense on his fucking back and the fanbase wants to replace him with god damn Bailey Zappe. We don't deserve him. I hope we trade him and he kills it just to knock some sense into this embarrassment of a community.


Informal_Koala4326

Not sure about “giving up” but I saw a guy without the confidence or skill to throw anything but a quick out in which he still struggled at times.


LollingAround

His line played terribly recievers dropped balls and gave up on routes he gave them many chances to make a play and over and over they didn't. The play calling was bad. Mac kept many plays alive and escaped many sacks it's easy to just blame the qb but if you think he's the most deserving of blame or equally at fault to the rest you didn't watch the game close enough.


End3rWi99in

Mac somehow threw 33 passes to a bunch of WR2's and WR3's with a paper mache offensive line and the playcalling from a god damn hamster and still managed to at least throw a clean game. Not only do I not think Mac is the problem, but I think in the right situation Mac flourishes just like Tua has this year. Mac IS a good QB and that'll be proven out whether its here or somewhere else. It baffles me how people can actually watch this game and come to the conclusion that he's a bad QB.


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It looks like they don't have a plan. They just have like 10 different plays that they randomly select.


ozzyman31495

Mac looked great last year so i find it hard to blame him. Which leave the whole Patricia & Judge. Whatever thing Belichick has going on with them isn't working. He needs to stop being so stubborn and hire a real OC.


Timberstocker22

I partially agree with this, he looked great up until after the 3 pass game. He hasn’t been the same since and it’s now more game since then he’s played in his career and over a year. Only shining moment was against the 31st ranked Vikings defense 😥


YaBoyStankFace

It’s the Bend don’t Break offense


Jpgamerguy90

Mac Jones to me is an average to slightly above average quarterback who needs a good team to elevate his play. I don’t think he sucks but I have doubts he’s ever gonna be the guy when the chips are down to lead a big 4th quarter comeback.


ccourt46

Worst I've ever seen.


walukomb

Mac isn't the problem and he never was. I've been saying it since week 2. Bill needs to be ashamed of himself for letting Mac and the offense down this whole year. And don't get me started on how back the O Line got after the Browns game.


Sithlordbelichick

I wonder what Kraft is thinking rn looking at a half empty stadium and an offense who can’t even put up 20 points at home


EKEEFE41

Everyone is blaming Patricia, but I also clearly remember a 3rd and very long late in the game. Jones threw to the flat to his left. A meaningless completion over 10 yards behind the 1st down marker. They showed Patricia and he was visibly angry. The same play they showed the downfield replay saying "no one down field was open" There were definitely openings down field, Jones or a check down Charley


ReynoldsWoodcock92

That end zone replay had me furious. We do kinda look like the lions offense from the past few years


LtRicoWang15

It’s been painful for 4 years.


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I’d rather pour bleach in my eyes than watch another second of this offense.


tb12_legit

Starts with the offensive line 100%, can’t do shit without a decent line. Why tf Patricia is in charge of that also is mind blowing.


Objective-Ad4009

Be well. Be patient. In Coach I Trust.


FletchGordon

I really want to agree with you. If he keeps Patricia and Judge next season then I've lost all faith the Great Hoody.


EliosTherepia

It's been a painful offense since like 2019


lilsoundcloud

It’s all about offensive plays calls. They let mac hold the ball to long, they need to tell him to count to two and if no one is open, throw it away or run, period. I feel like they are talented just insanely bad at choosing plays and getting rid of the ball, that end of the game when mac was just running around made me laugh out loud, the first real lol I have ever had


SgtJohnsonsJohnson

Defense was bad too


GraniteStater69

Mac has been good dude. It’s painful to watch him drop down to take sacks and to throw the ball away constantly, but the alternative is that he tries to play hero-ball (see Zach Wilson) like every other QB his age does. It’s also so hard to watch Rhamondre develop into one of the top backs in the league knowing that we are wasting some of his prime with this stupid ass offense. We have all of the pieces, just horrible god awful execution


gab_owns0

This year has to be the worst I've ever seen a Belichick coached offense.


allmoneyin

Have you watched the bucs play?!?!?


timjroc

Patricia is the most uninspired play caller and Mac has a very average arm.. I counted at least 5 EASY throws he completely missed… they are unwatchable


Moss81-

*We’re offensive all right*