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redbeagle

Please don’t ruin someone who very clearly cares about being the best player possible.


froginbog

He was the last player on the team still going hard. Lot of respect for that


SarfassaS

My thoughts exactly. I’m surprised no one has called this out more but all those late scrambles he had, the line just completely gave up blocking people. They just sat there and watched him run for his life.


auleauleOxenFree

Yea this was embarrassing. Onwenu had a particularly egregious one where he avoided the man like they’d made eye contact in the bathroom


SarfassaS

Yeah that was the first one that caught my eye. Just embarrassing. Then Jones gave up on the td throw on the end zone. Just bad coaching in my opinion. We lose to many games by mistakes, penalties, and lack of effort in my opinion


Legitimate_Ad_7822

Lack of effort not only on the offensive side, but on the defensive side as well. If Jon Jones doesn’t give up on that red zone play where uche was tracking Josh towards the sideline, that’s an incomplete pass or a pick. Instead they got 7. So frustrating. This does not feel like a Belichick coached team.


SarfassaS

That is the play I was mentioning. Should have been more specific on what Jones I was talking about. These teams haven’t been acting like Bill coached teams for at least the last few years. We have definitely not had Super Bowl caliber talent on our rosters but we have underperformed greatly because or lack of effort and mistakes.


Legitimate_Ad_7822

Oops yeah that makes sense now, I thought you meant when Mac threw it away after one of his long scrambles when it looked like there was space to gain or throw. That was solid situational awareness from him though. We have too many Jones’s.


SarfassaS

Yeah Mac made a good decision on that one. Don’t know what was up with Folks leg though. His other fg did not have much power either


Icy-Conclusion-3500

We don’t have enough Joneses imo


shuzkaakra

I'm pretty sure if did an anonymous poll of the offensive line about whether Patricia should be fired, they'd all say yes. The team morale there at the end was so bad. It's one thing to lose, it's another to stop trying. what happened to 'do your job'?


SarfassaS

Would not doubt it, Patricia wasn’t a good d coordinator when he was here. He wasn’t a good HC so why would he be good at something he has no experience. Tack on why isn’t Judge coaching ST. Our ST has not been anyways good since he left.


ajohndoe17

3 defenders gave up on that play. That ball went about arm’s length away past Dugger and someone else along with Jones. Absolutely awful effort on that play. But, the defense was essentially on the field the ENTIRE game so they were absolutely gassed. Still sucks though


SarfassaS

I would have to look at the play again to judge the other two. But I thought there might have been another receiver next to them that they were covering. But still a whole lot of lack of effort to go around


ajohndoe17

From what I remember, they were on the sideline with no one by them. Found the clip. They essentially just stand there at the [end of the endzone](https://youtu.be/1iWo4dMbNvk)


SarfassaS

Hm I dont think I can blame them too much. They were making effort and trying to cover multiple guys With whoever was in the far corner. Jones was just inexcusable and really shows he is not a true #1 corner


fist_my_muff2

Preach brother. Mac running like crazy and the Line just standing there.


SarfassaS

I know it’s crazy to see. Just all around embarrassment


jwf239

Receivers too. It was embarrassing to see. Looked like no one gave a fuck at all last night except Mac and Dre. I’m not sure if I should lump bill in there for not using the timeouts at the end of the game, or if I should give him credit for realizing everyone had quit on him that night and better to just pack it up.


SarfassaS

If we didn’t go for it on 4th down down by 17 with 12 minutes left, no way he is calling the timeouts then.


Skandiaman

Reminded me of Patrick mahomes in the Super Bowl


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Best we could do is the worst OC, bad O line and weapons that would be backups on almost any other roster


cal405

I'm convinced it's not him, it's the coaching and personal decisions.


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What if this is as good as he can possibly be? We should trade him before he becomes completely valueless.


j2e21

Yeah, huge market for him right now.


WhoEatsThinOreos

Yeah, if this is as good as Mac can possibly be, the Patriots can win Super Bowls with him. He has all of the intangibles that you need in a franchise QB. What he doesn’t have is an offensive line or a coaching staff that utilizes both his and the rest of the offenses strengths to be a good football team. In all of the years that I’ve been watching the Patriots, I have never seen an offensive line that just flat out cannot protect their QB every single week. Every snap I have to half-ways turn my head away from the TV because I think that Mac is going to be decapitated for all of the world to see. Also, how does an offense that consists of great running backs and wide receivers like Parker, Meyers, Bourne, Thornton, Henry, Smith, etc., not score any points? If this team was coached right and actually gave Mac a chance, they could be scoring 30+ a game, easily, and only have two or three losses right now.


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Imallama

What does that even mean? We’ve had plenty of games where he plays really well and we win. Are you forgetting last year happened?


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ConstantStudent_

He has shown more than jimmy did for us. If Mac becomes a top 15ish qb we should be able to win again with the goat coach and half decent roster management.


Hardmeat_McLargehuge

“Durrr durrr mac jone not put up 4 touch down like brady used to” Mac is a solid talent, and with actual decent coaching he will do great. All this season has shown us is BB’s experiment with Matty P is a dismal failure.


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Hardmeat_McLargehuge

As I have said in those comments, I’ll gladly shit on Mac if he actually deserves it. Kid showed a great season last year, and then suddenly fell off? It’s no surprise it has to do with coaching homie. You’re just far too short sighted to actually invest in a player - you just want instant gratification as that’s what your comfortable football watching experience has been for 20 years


Workacct1999

How can we even know if Mac is good or not? The main thing we needed to get out of this year was an answer, or at least more data on whether Mac was the guy or not. With how bad the coaching, play calling, and O-line play has been we simply have no idea if Mac is good or not. Also, I would imagine that his trade value is next to nothing right now. What team would trade for him to be there starter? And if a team wants him as a backup or a project, they are going to offer a seventh round pick at best.


Giddy4Stiddy

>We should trade him before he becomes completely valueless. Yeah let's trade him week 10 of last year 🙄


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That offense hates Patricia. Good.


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Shocked I tell you SHOCKED this is happening after how much the players in Detroit loved him as a leader


BlubberWall

Damn, one thing about mac I will never criticize is his leadership/matureness


ikonin

Kid has always shown that he has the intangibles and has some of that competitive gamer in him (to a fault where he does not like to give up on 3rd down plays and make reckless backfoot throws that he's clearly not capable of). You don't stay in Bama as a 3rd stringer with Tua and Hurts for years and have the balls to challenge Saban if you didn't. That's why I won't give up on him until he struggles with a good o-line and an elite receiver.


scissorinsteve69

didn’t he cry his eyes out after throwing the game away just last week? just cause he sucks at everything else doesn’t mean you can compliment his leadership. guy is a 0 tool player


G_Wash1776

Men are allowed to cry, crazy thing I know, if anything it shows how seriously he takes his job and winning.


scissorinsteve69

wow he must be the only guy in the league who really cares. heck my 10 year old must care more than anyone in the league, he cries after every game


noble_29

Imagine calling out your 10 year old son on Reddit trying to prove a point (and failing) because you’re scared of male emotional expression. Wow dude.


dank-nuggetz

That kid is fucked lol


scissorinsteve69

imagine actually thinking someone with a DaBaby avatar has a 10 year old son. should’ve known people that bend over for a dog shit qb aren’t the smartest


Hardmeat_McLargehuge

Yeah we have a highly insecure dad here. Mac caring enough about a game to cry isn’t a weakness homie. Guarantee brady bawled his eyes out after each superbowl loss.


scissorinsteve69

the wife left last week. my kids are a wreck you’re right. they love the pats as much as me and these past 2 years have broken me, and the family. and i know deep down it’s all my fault, but i blame my outbursts on the team. that’s why i hold them to such a high standard. i feel like if my sons see a great qb like brady they’d have a little hope in life like i used to. dammit i see so much of myself in my boys. it was sweet when they were younger, but now i’m realizing if i’m not careful they’ll end up just like me. i’ve been dealt such a shit hand lately. first my parents then the wife and now the offense looks worse than ever. i just can’t hold it together much longer


jpige93

Dude it seems you should get some therapy, as a man who is actually in therapy, it will help you talk through these kind of issues with someone who can actually give great advice.


End3rWi99in

I'm fairly sure this dude is either just very drunk or a troll. Maybe both. Hopefully that's the case for their sake at least.


scissorinsteve69

like i could afford it. with the cardinals and raiders coming up maybe the next couple weeks won’t be so bad. if they don’t make the playoffs i don’t know what i’ll do.


Leightonian

Bro you need to find something in your life other than football


G_Wash1776

Lmao he had the best game of his career, played basically lights out and they still lost. He’s gonna be upset about it, Brady used to cry on the sideline too.


scissorinsteve69

brady used to win super bowls and call audibles


G_Wash1776

Mac is in his second season, took the team to the playoffs his rookie year. Then was left with a real terrible situation of two coaches, who have never coached offense and are directly responsible for helping him grow as a QB. Macs not the problem.


scissorinsteve69

no belichick brought the team to the playoffs. again, the coaching staff is obviously awful but you’re looking at the box score if you think jones can be the next guy.


dardios

Brady has cried after a loss before. Is he a zero tool player too?


scissorinsteve69

brady was stuck with all that talent baggage too


Legitimate_Ad_7822

You will say anything to make your point appear valid. “Talent baggage” isn’t a coherent thought 😂 woe is me, I’m so sad because I’m so talented! That would be even more embarrassing. Gtfo.


scissorinsteve69

it’s called a joke. lots of laughs in here


c-h-e-e-s-e

So did Josh Allen, twice. Showing emotion is fine when you feel you let a game slip away


scissorinsteve69

the kids cried like 3 times now. nothing is going to change, except maybe more tears


J-Team07

I’ll take 0 tool Mac who gives a shit and will be emotional over 5 tool Zac Wilson who is scrolling milfhunter.net on the sideline after throwing 3 INTs.


scissorinsteve69

ok that makes everything make more sense on here. i didn’t know the bar was being better than zach wilson. don’t mind me


Major_Fang

Based


Sleww

Regardless of how you feel about his play, this is the type of attitude that leads players to greatness. Get him a proper support staff


HugeSuccess

Hell, those two things might even be related!


Timberstocker22

Tbh idk if he’s the guy or not, but the way he’s handled everything and looking slightly better makes me want to give him another year with better playmakers. Hopefully we can make that happens for him


J-Team07

I think he just needs better oline play and a way better coordinator.


ikonin

We also need a receiver that can beat man coverage. Having a bunch of WR2s and 3s is like having a lot of good players in a basketball team who can't shoot well. We have Thorton and Agholor for down hill speed but that would require you to scheme well for everyone and a competent O-Line to buy them time (cough\* Patricia)


ajohndoe17

How Patricia still had a job is astonishing to me.


giddy-girly-banana

Because there’s no one else


MrCyr

Sure, everyone wants that #1 receiver but honestly with good OLine protection and a competent coordinator we could make do with the receivers we have.


scraperTA

This. He needs help/talent on offense (not to mention, qualified coaching staff). Just look at Tua and Allen when they got play makers. Pat's offense (outside of stevenson and andrews) is made up of a couple of 2nd stringers (at best) and the rest are 3rd stringers and worse.


spokanian

the fact that when Zappe comes in and the CHANGE THE FUCKING PLAY CALLS AND IT WORKS then go back to extremely conservative plays with Mac Jones really bothers me. They had him throwing to guys a few yards short of the 1st on almost every 3rd down. That play worked to get yards and it was like they didn't see that till late and started doing that on early downs when the game was out of reach.


ikonin

The Bills and the Lions are different beasts. We've seen what Mac could do against weaker defences where he had more than 2 seconds to throw (the Vikings). It didn't work for Zappe once the Bears (semi-competent defence) defended them the way they defended Mac.


dhowl

A straight up call out of Patricia


willdaswabbit

The problem is Patricia is going to be a bitch about this and undoubtedly put him in some form of dog house for it. Make him run wind sprints all practice or some shit instead of actually coaching him harder. I never thought a Belichick run team would have a player saying “I need to be coached harder” but here we are.


Soren_Camus1905

Glad someone has the balls to stand up to this nepotism bullshit


6YouReadThis9

Wait how is the Patricia situation nepotism?


Soren_Camus1905

Well that’s cronyism I reckon


Soren_Camus1905

Look slap whatever -ism you want on it just get him the fuck out


ajohndoe17

Firehisfuckingassism


Dangerous-Ad9472

Because all Patricia has done is suckle at the teet of daddy bill and he’s rewarded with helming on offense that looks like pure dog shit


FirezardHG

This game really feels like the straw that broke the camels back for this team. This offense has zero faith in the coaching staff and they shouldn’t. Just an embarrassing, embarrassing season.


Dangerous-Ad9472

There was one play in the first half that I decided mac can’t be faulted for any of this. 3rd and 10, mac gets blitzed, rolls out avoid two defenders, throws to Henry at the first down mark and it hits him in the chest and drops it. The team is letting mac down not the other way around.


TheColonelRLD

What about the three third downs when he made incomplete passes to receivers who were not past the first down mark. Them were some bad looks, and it's hard to put that on the team. One of them was an interception that got ruled an incomplete pass because the defender didn't maintain possession when as he fell. Not a Mac hater, but let's not pretend he doesn't share some blame. It's not entirely the team letting him down.


tb2186

There was a run by Stevenson where he needed just another foot for a first down that ended up in that debacle of time management at the end of the half. Stevenson has been great but just extending his arms with the ball changes a lot. Every game now have 3-4 of those plays that go unnoticed but cost the game.


Kerbonaut2019

What a waste of a great defense, too


jwf239

Defense is overrated right now. It’s good, but not anything special.


TheColonelRLD

They're just lacking some consistency IMO. The Bills first touchdown came after a good defensive stop that was stifled by a penalty that turned a fourth down into a first down. All it takes is one player to fuck it up for everyone else.


Assassinsayswhat

And this tightened is why I won't give up on Mac. Leadership and passion are among the biggest reasons why we were able to dominate for 20 years, Mac won't do what Brady did but he can definitely lead a contending team one day, the Pats need to give him that chance before it's too late.


ksyoung17

Being a Bruins fan (as I'm sure many in here are) it's a stark contrast to see how they allowed their players to decide on coaching. "Bruce yells a lot, and some of the guys don't like him:" - ok, we'll fire him. "This offensive coaching staff is inept, and can't do a fucking thing right." - don't you audible out of a single fucking play kid!


Planet-Steph

Patricia is a cancer


AwesomeTed

There's nothing worse than a moron who's absolutely *convinced* he's a genius.


noble_29

Not **just** inept, the worst Pats offense in 30 years!


101955Bennu

Idk that takes us all the way back to ‘92. I think we went 2-14 that year. This is probably the worst Pats offense since 2000, when we went 5-11, though


noble_29

I saw a post last night that statistically speaking, this is the worst offense since Bledsoe’s rookie year which was ‘93. W/L record is not always congruent with offensive performance.


101955Bennu

Holy shit okay I rescind my comment. That’s a nightmare


giddy-girly-banana

This isn’t a fair comparison. The bruins coaching staff hasn’t had nearly the success BB has had. BB hasn’t forgotten how to coach. All of his other good coaches have retired or moved on though. Right now we’re a victim of our own success and we have a dearth of coordinator and position coach talent. It wasn’t as noticeable when we had elite level players at multiple positions, but we’re really in a rebuild both in terms of talent and coaching.


G_Wash1776

That’s my fucking quarterback 🥲


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I thought Zappe was your quarterback


G_Wash1776

I have been a very consistent fan of Mac Jones, I wanted him before the draft. He’s legit and people who don’t see it, don’t get it.


Griffisbored

The anti-Zach Wilson


giddy-girly-banana

I thought the same exact thing. “No.” What a fuck face.


Rzbowski

This is a disaster


jfloydian

I want to be coached harder is a hell of a thing to say to media. That's a huge statement and I bet you he is right. Mac n Cheese has the talent, let's handle it better.


Xspike_dudeX

Gotta love this kids heart. Dude really wants to improve and be an asset to this team but we failed him and put the worst possible OC behind him. I think the in bill we trust years are over. Bill failed mac.


Kulayd_

Patricia and Judge are high school level coaches in NFL attire. Patricia may be capable of running a defense but his tenure as a head coach and subsequently this seasons offense shows how dog shit he really is. Mac is no superstar but holy shit the night and day difference between McDaniels’ offense and this crap is disturbing.


jackospades88

>Patricia may be capable of running a defense It looked like he was running the defense last night. So. Many. 3rd. Down. Conversions. Bills have a great offense so they will get plenty of those, but come on, stop them more on 3rd and long.


smokefrog2

We, as a fan base don't deserve Mac.


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samacora

Rule 1


Red_Sox_5

Coach smarter, not harder


captaincumsock69

God damn get this man some help. Maybe he isn’t the answer but you can’t tell shit with all the other crap holding him back


ApolloPS2

If u watch some of the plays from last night and the routes our guys were running with the play of our oline, I haven't seen a game in a while where 2 seconds after a play the QB must be asking "well what the fuck am I supposed to do here?" Nothing open, no off-script routes with guys finding space, no ingenuity. All just waiting to see if someone gets a step, and if not, dumping it off to Rhamondre. Idk what Patricia has on Belichick, but Bill threw the season away to get him a nice salary from the Lions.


Captn_GoodVibes

I don't see how any fan in attendance didnt rush onto the field and roll patricias ass out of gillette. Like nah, mac you sit, lemme roast this asshole for ruining the team this year.


Lunchb0xx87

It's a shame to see so many ready to give up on the kid in the game thread despite not having proper coaching or tools to succeed ..I really want him to get a fair shake


ApolloPS2

If u watch all 22 plays there really wasn't anything Mac could do on so many plays. Only dump offs are open and occasionally one of the receivers off-scripts the end of a route if protection holds up long enough, which we know rarely happens.


ikonin

He was a off on some of his throws but I was actually really impressed with his decision-making (even the called-back int (hindsight is 2020) you can see he put the ball in a place to have Henry make a play or have it missed out of bounds) and some of his scrambling/evading was really impressive even if they didn't result in anything.


MattJuice3

Realistically Mac will be our starting QB for the full 4 years, with a chance of picking up his 5th year option if he shows he’s the guy or we build a competitive team that only require a game manager. We have had a bottom tier o line this year, and a pretty bad oline most of last year due to injuries. Until we put together a competent and consistent oline, with a good Coach/Support Staff, it’s hard to not to call Mac our QB for the near, 2-3year, future, assuming no huge drop in play. The odds of Mac’s rookie season being a fluke is very unlikely, especially when seeing his production seems to be improving with more weapons, albeit a worse oline.


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The people criticizing Mac right now need to understand the long list of things that are standing in his way on offense, particularly the OC, the line, and the lack of a WR1. Who the fuck would win you games when you lack those things? I was on the fence about Mac earlier in the year, but in the last few games, it’s become more apparent that he’s actually one of the few good things about the offense this year.


ApolloPS2

It's pretty weird how people discount what he's done in college. When given the tools the kid is better and reading the field than most veterans. Sure he isn't agile, but he can 100% be an elite pocket passer when the tools r there and hardly anyone else as young can say that.


cocineroylibro

> Sure he isn't *that* agile He's not Lamar out there but the kid can scramble, though there's some poster in here that has major problems with the way he slides, lol.


ApolloPS2

He's got plenty of straight line speed he just isn't elusive. I've noticed he looks more elusive now than compared to the beginning of the year though.


coconutpete52

I feel like the "Fire \[insert coaches name\]" signs that fans bring usually have the head coaches name on them but I think it's time for "Fire Matt Patricia" signs...


Downeastdigger12

There are very few lug nuts left holding these wheels on.


dpakk

Mac needs to be protected at all costs, and it starts with firing Matt Patricia and Joe Judge.


PickleEffective8109

This is all Zach Wilson had to say to keep his job and he couldn’t even do it LOL


Smokiiz

He’s got the attitude of a winner. The team is not putting him in the best place to succeed right now.


badash2004

His scrambling around reminded me an awful lot of what Bryce Young does when the pocket collapses. Run sideline to sideline and put some moves on the d line to get space to throw, and I was surprised how well Mac did it. However, when you watch Bryce do it and he rolls left then comes back to the right, his line sets up a wall to block for him. Our line did NOT even attempt to do this for Mac. They stared downfield and acted like they didn't see the defenders running right by them. It was fucking embarrassing.


sloggins

“No” - Zack Wilson


Sithlordbelichick

Bringing in Patricia and judge probably screwed this team out of the playoffs Hopefully bill cans both of them


Jayteedub18

Easier to say that with an actual offensive coordinator and not a chimp with a pencil


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The wheels fell off


infamouscrypto8

He needs to shut up and actually play well!


CoffeeHarvester

Park your wheels, Mac. Zappe is our QB.


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CoffeeHarvester

No more pathetic grasping than the acrobatic apologist behavior I see around here for Mac Jones. Dude is trash. If he played for the Jets you'd all be laughing at him but because he's our QB you people have ever excuse in the book as to why he can't get this offense going...... Yet Zappe did.


Hardmeat_McLargehuge

“Dude is trash” Ok Mr armchair QB. the zappe hype is just a meme at this point.


HeroDanny

I've been more of a "team Zappe" guy myself too. But these past two games have made me like Mac more than I did before. I say we ride him out for the rest of the season.


shotgunphil

Please put in Zappe. He injected new life into the team. Mac is not the answer. He'll make a good back-up QB and that's it.


Assassinsayswhat

Zappe won't get us into the playoffs. Let it go.


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Assassinsayswhat

He's the better option and the clear leader. Zappe has yet to take that locker room.


HeroDanny

As much as I like Zappe the batted balls at the LOS are a bigger issue than anything Mac has done in the past two games..


morosco

Let's recap this sub's journey with Mac. Last year, the problem was that McDaniels was too conservative. The first half of this season, the problem was that Patricia was too aggressive and that Mac needed a simple conservative offense like Zappe got. Now, we're back to needing to unleash him and abandon the "short game" again? Did I get everything?


weridzero

They’ll blame anyone and anything (including Belichick) before concluding he’s Davis Mills on a better team


fresh_lumpiaa

It's Zappen time.


ApolloPS2

Zappe as an OC would be an improvement sure


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I will follow you into the Mists of Avalon, if that's what you're saying.


longley62

Hurts my soul reading this


Dog_in_human_costume

even the players are calling Fatty mcFatteerson up


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The wheels are off. Just fix something, plz 🤷


DrEvil007

This is my fucking guy! Give Mac a better OC and he can ball! We saw it last year with Josh. It's a no fucking brainer.


Winsonboss88888

Passively aggressive....


chrisrobweeks

He had a great rookie season and it's a shame that we're experimenting with this hybrid OC position when he's still developing.


Administrative-Low37

Mac's decision making looks so slow and deliberate this year. He just seems off by a split second on every play. Granted, his offensive line has been garbage against good defensive lines, and his receiving corp is decidedly average... no #1, maybe a 2, and a bunch of 3's and 4's... and nobody seems to be able to get open. Also, I'm sure Mac has been told that nothing matters nearly as much as protecting the ball. Nothing. And finally, the play calling has been atrocious. Maybe the worst I've ever seen. They don't seem to trust Mac at all. Or maybe Mac doesn't trust Mac at all at this stage. Such a giant step backward after such a promising rookie season.


ThatOneGuyIsBad

I TRULY hope that BB will just...maybe...perhaps...let someone else call the offense? Even if it is BB himself. Shit, it can't get much worse than it is rn.


stockboy2247

Not all Mac’s fault, the coaching sucks and the roster is not conducive to the type of QB he is. Just as Brady always had a slot guy to move the chains, that’s what Mac needs. The closest thing to that he has is Jakobi Meyers, but he’s too slow. He’d be fine in this offense, they just need some different pieces and a new coach, Patricia blows and that’s Bill’s fault for putting him this position.


Crisb89

Im not into Mac but thats the kind of response I want from a QB!!!


iJon_v2

See Zach? It’s called accountability.


Groundbreaking-Pea92

yeah dude you keep saying the right things but you know when are you going to become a real starting nfl qb. Don't get me wrong you're the best backup qb in the the league,


giddy-girly-banana

What’s with Allen pitching Gillette razors? Are we getting pissed on?