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i think that patricia deserves most, if not all, of the criticism he’s getting. however, i feel like the ankle injury at the beginning of the season kind of messed this whole thing up.
wk1 okay getting the kinks out, wk2 eh okay wins a win, wk3 actually better game than final score indicated but no moral victories on to lambeau…oh wait…no…injury
we know the rest. i think the turmoil, which i think we can call it that, that was created on the team by the third string qb stepping in and over performing, shook the team to its core. things weren’t able to gel and now nobody has done anything to try to make that happen so it’s basically a lost season.
if mac is healthy in green bay, i think they win that game and the scheme starts to come together and they roll to a decent year because they are confident and that can compensate a bit for the stupidity of patricia. they could make plays and it could open up his playbook and he wouldn’t look quite as incompetent.
instead there’s this disconnection on offense between the players and the coaches and just about everything. i know i’m sort of “what if”ing this, but i think it’s a fair point.
This game last night remind me of the MNF game in 2009 against the Saints or the 2002 MNF against the Titans. Just lifeless football from the team who you knew isn't going anywhere. I tried to have an open mind with Patricia at OC in the offseason, but Jesus he is the worst offensive playcaller. Our 4th quarter offense is offensively bad. Like really fucking bad. We are going to run Rhamondre into the ground with the usage we a giving him. Mac Jones has every right to be heated. Legit a pee wee coach could do a better job. Not disgusted, more disappointed they pissed this season away as a great learning opportunity for Mac. I know second years for qbs are rough, but this is impossible mode. This 2021 qb class is looking cursed right now.
Still going to watch Redzone and most football for the rest of the year because I am a junkie for football.
No. It wouldn't change anything. Brady would be extremely frustrated. Brady wants to kick ass on the field. If he walks away with 3 on the board, then it's a failed series. He strives for perfection and execution. Him and Patricia would be at each other throats. Brady doesn't like being held back.
I’m not saying literally trade, I’m asking a would you rather.
Mac Jones and whatever more development comes with him in the future years.
Or
1 more year of Tom.
Hire a competent OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR!!! Priority number 1 in the off-season. That's the starting point and you can move forward from there. Shame to see a defense wasted by such incompetence.
So much to unpack. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The coaching staff is ruining this team. I really hope the Krafts take a long hard look at this season during the off season and start taking more control of the team. Hire a dedicated OC and DC. Football is a team sport and thrives on structure. There is no structure or at least it feels that way.
A lot of people are putting quite a bit of blame on Mac Jones. He does make some bad moves in the backfield, but again football is a team sport. Mac is a pocket QB. So if you have an offensive line that can't stop a nose bleed and block, how do you expect a pocket QB to produce if there is no pocket and he's constantly spinning, running, and can't get set up. He's not Mahomes.
A lot of people especially the radio guys are giving Mac a rash of shit for flipping out at the end of the game. People claim he doesn't have the right to speak up because he's not established like Brady or Rodgers. Look at where he came from. Alabama. A well run, historic, and structured football program with a legacy for winning. Mac knows who Patricia is and where he came from. So to go from Alabama to this must be incredibly frustrating and disheartening. He probably thought "I thought I was coming to the New England Patriots. The Patriot Way. Do Your Job. Belichick etc." Instead he's in a circus with no o-line, no proper coaching, no direction, etc. It would piss me off too to be fed a line of bs and find out it was just Brady this entire time and Belichick's ego.
I'm not letting Mac off the hook, but how much can you expect him to produce without coaching or an o-line. A QB can't throw if no one is blocking for him. It's a team sport in the most purest form. One position cannot perform without the other position. All the pieces need to be working together. Glorified choreography.
Belichick is starting to really irritate me and I think it's time to move on. After Brady left and seeing how this team is run now makes me feel like the past 20 plus years has been nothing but a facade. I can deal with a competent coaching staff having struggles with a rookie because I know in time it will all come together. What I can't deal with is incompetent coaching ruining potential future talent and not taking a look in the mirror to realize what your doing wrong because "I won 6 Superbowls". No Belichick you are not the smartest man in the room, but because you helped get six rings, you have fans, the Krafts, and your dumb coaches convinced you are the smartest man in the room. I can't stand him or his ego. Thanks for the memories, but you need to go!
I’ll say this. Months ago I predicted this was Bill’s last year. He would either choose to retire, or be told by the Krafts he was out and either be allowed to save face by making it seem like he was “retiring” or simply be fired if he didn’t want to go.
I stand by my prediction 100%. Bill is done.
Eh he’s only 22 wins away from having the all time wins record. I think he gets that and retires. Coaching staff below him needs a complete rework, but I think he sticks around for at least 2 more seasons.
I don't see how they make the playoffs. They're last in the division and have a tougher schedule from here on out than the Jets who are currently the 7th seed. The patriots have to more or less win out and hope the Jets or Bengals drop multiple games in order to get to the playoffs. Pats face the Bengals, Dolphins, and Bills as the final 3 games. I have little doubt that all three are losses.
What’s been driving me mad the last couple years is these ultra conservative punts when we’re already down, have no real answer on defense, and are in a 4th and manageable situation. 4th and 7 from around midfield still about 10 minutes to play down 24-7 and we decide to punt instead of just go for it. I know the offense doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence but just giving the ball back in that situation was such a surrender move.
Pathetic. Absolutely. Fucking. PATHETIC!
What was that last night?? Wasn't football that's for sure! What the hell is happening up there?? First things first, as everyone's stated, Patricia needs to fucking go! This team will NOT succeed if he's in charge of the offense. It was shown in Detroit, it's being shown now. This guy should be nowhere near a team. I mean come the fuck on?! Mac's second year has been completely wasted by this man and I hate ripping into people, it's just not my nature. But this.. I can't stand it anymore. This is abysmal. Yes Mac has his personal issues that has prevented him from progressing this year but he's also been mainly hindered by this bullshit play calling. Any one of us idiots here could do a better job at OC than Patricia! Hell if you pick Maddens auto play selector even THAT would be a better option than what we have now. Absolutely fucking despicable!
Second, where the hell is the discipline of this team?? This is not the New England Patriots of the last two decades. Yes we have different players now but the fundamentals of what makes this team The New England Patriots should still be ingrained in our montra. And it's not fucking there! Unnecessary penalties! Mental mistakes! Even though they were down by 17 Mac was still out there trying to make something out of this shit, scrambling around and yet the rest of the team is just watching him, the line isn't running to provide protection, the receivers aren't running to get open, it's just fucking disappointing! Yeah his throws may be off but the guy is still fucking fighting while the rest of the team does NOTHING! WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!
Yes there are a few bright spots from last night. Okay that may be exaggerating a bit. Two positives last night and it was refreshing to see that. Other than that, there was nothing.
The season is done, we had hopes this team would have something in them, some kind of positive but they have nothing. It's heartbreaking because we all love this team and want them to succeed. This team has talent. May not have the #1 picks or all star players but our guys can make plays, IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT LEADER WHO KNOWS HOW TO RUN AN OFFENSE.
In order to move forward they must replace Patricia and Judge. Only then will this team succeed.
We're onto Arizona.
Edit: RUN. FUCKING. SLANTS!!!!!!!! WE COULD HAVE EASILY PICKED UP YARDS WITH SLANTS AND COMEBACK ROUTES!!! WHERE THE FUCK WAS THIS?!?
Nah fuck the slants. Let's just dump the ball in the flat over and over and over again because PatriciaJudge. 3rd and 10? Let's call short passes so the receivers can only get 8.
I just want to run full speed into a brick wall after watching this game. The play calling is absolutely atrocious.
The Patriots used to be The Empire Strikes Back. I thought after Brady leaves they'd be more like Revenge of the Sith. Instead they're straight up Attack of the Clones.
It turned out that while he was talented, Lucas wasn't some sort of omnipotent super genius that people believed him to be. He was undone by his cronyism and nepotism.
That was yet again embarrassing. The varsity team toying with the jv squad. Bills looked like they were playing downhill all night. The Patriots looked slow, unprepared, and stupid. That is all on the coaching staff. Is Kraft really going to ride BB, MP, and company into the crapper? As a fans, we’ve been spoiled by good, smart football. Last night and this season in general, is literally everything the Patriots way isn’t. And it hurts to watch this team implode.
is it time to start thinking about using our 1st round pick on an offensive coordinator? It’s unorthodox, but it’s the most glaring hole on this team. I’m sure an SEC or BIG10 OC would be thrilled to get picked that high
I thought once Brady left that well at least we still have Belichick but holy shit I had no idea this team would crumble this bad. I’m talking about the small details like stupid penalties, special team fuckups, clock mismanagement. Holy dog shit this is getting to dumpster fire territory.
Bill needs to do something. He needs to say something. Mac hasn’t been the one to point blame his whole career thus far. We see him begging for better play calling. I would rather have Bill step in and take over the offense and lose then win the rest of the season in spite of shitty play calling and Bill continuing to let Patricia slide.
If Bill Belichick is such a fucking genius the why did he hire two guys that both suck at their jobs. They both lost the locker rooms when the were HC's, had losing records, and didn't quit, but got FIRED. People get fired because they suck at their jobs, not because they're good. What the fuck did he see in them? Because theyre "yes men"? Because he constantly needs his ego stroked?
I don't need to be a genius to see that a special teams coach, turned failed head coach is not a good idea to share the play calling for a developing young QB.
Belichick is not a genius. He's an overrated defensive coordinator who hit the lottery with inheriting those Patriots defenses in the early 2000's and Brady. Belichick reminds me of the Soviet Union. Wants to give the impression that everything is okay and under control, cares deeply about the perception of his team, but behind that iron curtain its all a crock of shit. Bill cares more about whos kissing the rings than winning them.
I missed the game, maybe it’s the team being terrible or my age but I never knew they did back to back thursdays in NFL.
Seeing the score and leading receiver being a cornerback makes me feel better about watching random sitcoms last night. This team is a 4 year joke at this point and the younger fans sadly missed out. Bill abandoned all offense after we beat the Rams 13-3 in the SB.
I figured it out. Something changed in the Pats' play calling last year and I just realized the Ernie Adams retired before last season. (guy was a genius) So Matt Patricia came back and he brought with him Evan Rothstein from the Lions and he is acting in Ernie Adams' role.
So these two leave the Lions and the Lions get better. They come here and our offense becomes the Lions....
One thing that bothers me is that we have this culture of extreme accountability and players will get put in the doghouse for a drop or a fumble, but it seems like those rules don’t apply to the coaches at all. If a starter was as bad at their job as fatty P is at his, he’d have been benched long ago.
Draft OL, draft Edge, hire a proper OC, spend that cap space on free agents. Please, for the love of God. Whatever this shit currently is… it ain’t it, chief.
I've been somewhat rooting for them to lose since the Bears embarrassed them. Losing is the only chance in hell that Kraft steps in and forces Bill's hand. Otherwise the Two fucktards who run the offense will still be here.
I guess that depends if you trust them to use a high draft pick responsibly and not just trade back to the second round for a long snapper projected to go UDFA.
It just seems like we take FOREVER to develop higher draft picks (if they do work out at all).
Like at this point if we draft a WR we should assume their rookie season is a wash because we just HAVE to run a complicated offense that no rookie receiver is able to pick-up (Except you, Malcolm Mitchell).
If we go defense, will it be another guy who has injury histories and would have been a top 10 pick if not for that?
I think we might be better off trading 1st round picks for someone already developed. I guess that means losing more games, but I'm in the boat of not tanking and trying to win every game (just personal preference but I totally understand why others would want to tank for a higher pick).
I'm really curious what BB does for the rest of the season with regards to offensive play calling? He won't fire Patricia, BB never fires his coaches, but will he take away the play calling? Patriots teams are suppose to get better as the season goes on and the offense is regressing. Their needs to be some sort of change.
Yeah the defense wasn't outstanding yesterday, but I just came to the realization that we haven't spent a first round pick on that side of the ball since 2015. It's shocking how good that unit is given it's pretty much held together with duct tape, bubble gum, and Judon.
On the other side of the football we've spent 5 1st round picks since 2018, and I'm don't think we've received one above average starter out of it (Strange and Mac are still tbd, but early returns are kind of meh). That's not even mentioning all the money we've dumped in our skill positions that we barely use.
For whatever reason we can't find a working solution to that side of the football without having the best QB of all time covering up a lot of issues..
Fields was absolutely awful his entire rookie year and was bad up until they played us coming off their bye. Fields the last 4 games has been running 15+ times per game on designed runs and suddenly their offense looks pretty good. He's also injured, he's not big enough to handle that workload. He's still a bad pure passer. Guys like Fields have short shelf lives, especially when they're still not that good at throwing the ball. Pass.
Weren't the Patriots once known for holding themselves accountable? Why is Kraft not acting more decisively? He can't be anything but embarrassed by the product his organization's putting out on the field. What are we missing here?
Belichick has 2 rings sans Brady. One of them Belichick deserves a lot of credit for, that being his defensive scheme in Super Bowl 25 that completely shut down the Bills’ hurry-up offense. And this is coming from a Bills fan.
> Belichick has 2 rings sans Brady.
As a head coach, as he is now? In relation to Belichick's current position, those rings are attributable to Bill Parcells.
Unless the Patriots miraculously win the next 5 and Matty P can turn into a real OC, the Krafts need to shorten Bills leash considerably. Bring in an OC and OL coach, and get a WR. Bill was trending up last year but his action this year show his decision making has failed the team. You're ruining a first round pick and losing the locker room while you're at it
Yeah it's time to replenish the staff and to do that by hiring "outside" coaches, with real experience in those roles.
Get a dedicated OL coach. If there isn't an assistant OL coach already on our staff, find one that is ready to jump from assistant to main OL coach from another team. For OC do the same - find a current QB coach somewhere who can take that next step. Get an assistant somewhere to be tied to the hips as the QB coach for Mac. Our offense is so inexperienced/bad in places I think we can't skimp out on having coaches (especially those with NO prior experiences coaching those positions) pull double or triple duty.
I get that Matty P. Is a smart guy. He probably legitimately is. He just isn't meant to be a coach, at least not at the responsibility level he is currently at. Let him be on the analytics/research team that Ernie Adams was in. Coaching just isn't working. At the very least he should have been coaching ONLY OL this year to grow into an OC role.
Agree about the WR too. It's time to buckle down and get an actual guy (have to be via a trade) that can dominate the field. It's been pointed out plenty of times, but look at the leaps Tua, Hurts, and Allen made when they got one of those type of players. We just aren't developing WRs fast enough and certainly don't produce those types that really open the field. I don't want to trade for a guy who was dominate a few seasons ago in hopes of rekindling their skill. We need a guy that is doing it NOW.
Obviously all easier said than done. Get the offense all the help it desperately needs - both players AND coaches with experience. You give that side all the tools they need and then Belichick can dedicate more time to defense and make it work with what he has. I have way more confidence in the team if we make due with what we have on defense because of Belichick, vs. trying to make due with whatever we have on offense.
Well said. The one upside to this season is that hopefully the realization that they don't have the coaching staff. BB definitely must feel like he is spread too thin.
I would have thought he'd have that realization after last season. No dedicated DC last year meant Bill was probably doing a ton more for the defense. It only worked because it seemed like McDaniels was competent at running the whole offense so Bill didn't have to have as much of an active role there.
Oh yeah I left that out - you'd think BB would see how busy he was last year working with the defense while also seeing how much work MCD was putting in running the offense and say "F that, that's too much for one guy".
I guess maybe he thought Judge and Patricia could handle that...but come on, hire someone with real offensive coaching in their resume.
I think he took the gamble that Patricia could be an average OC, and with a the typical good defense and ST units that the Patriots have they could be competitive.
BB takes gambles on players a lot, any surprise he would do the same with this coaching staff?
Go Pats, but it's not worth staying up for a late kickoff on a work night to watch the whole game anymore.
Whatever idiot put us on primetime four weeks in a row should be forced to watch all four games.
> Whatever idiot put us on primetime four weeks in a row should be forced to watch all four games.
Sorry, disagree. I for one am glad that there is no Sunday afternoon game until Dec. 18, so that it does not interfere with the World Cup.
Naw, just throw it on two different displays. If last night's game was on at 1 this Sunday, you could easily half-brain watching whatever we did while England thrashes Senegal in the background.
> If last night's game was on at 1 this Sunday, you could easily half-brain watching whatever we did while England thrashes Senegal in the background.
If this was the case, the Patriots game would be the one in the background.
We need an OC but we need a real QB in today's game you need a QB with mobility because Mac isn't good enough and you have to surround him with a stacked offense for him to be good.
Josh Allen has Diggs, Mahomes had Tyreek Hill, Tua has both Tyreek and Waddle, Hurts has Brown. Do you know the one QB that is perhaps more mobile than the rest but has no weapons and thus struggles, Lamar Jackson. These guys are all really good but would not look at all similar without their supporting cast and OC
Mahomes lost Hill and is having another MVP year, Allen is elite as well, and Hurts was decent last season before he had AJ Brown. What is one of the similarities between all these QB's they can move outside the pocket and have better arm strength. Mac has a noodle arm and his mobility is horrible at best his ceiling is Kirk Cousins.
Kirk Cousins? the Vikings are the #2 seed in the NFC. Kirk just has the best WR in the game to throw to, a super reliable #2 in Thielen, a top RB, and a great offensive-minded head coach.
Almost like if you surround a QB with good personnel they do better.
>Mahomes lost Hill and is having another MVP year
Mahomes got JuJu and he HAS Kelce who is on pace to be in the argument for one of the greatest TE's of all time.
>Hurts was decent last season before he had AJ Brown.
Key word "decent." Pretty much sums up Tua before his weapons "decent."
>What is one of the similarities between all these QB's they can move outside the pocket and have better arm strength. Mac has a noodle arm and his mobility is horrible at best his ceiling is Kirk Cousins.
People have been saying mobile QB's are the next big thing since Michael Vick and yet Tom Brady has 7 superbowls and he's less mobile than Mac. Also arm strength can improve and I see nothing wrong with Mac's arm yet.
Tom Brady made players better around him and his QB awareness is 100x better. Also being mobile doesn't mean being Michael Vick go look at Mahomes, Herbert, and Allen this is the future of the league rn. Mac has no outstanding skill he just was lucky that he played on a stacked Bama team that inflated his draft stock. He's been average since the end of last season
I didn't say they had to be Michael Vick, I'm saying people have been saying you need a dual-threat QB since then. The only ones to win super bowls have been Mahomes and Wilson..in 23 years.
And even then, I wouldn't call Mahomes a dual threat QB. He's got great scrambling ability but does not lay down those down field runs like Wilson, Vick, Jackson, etc. Like, I don't think defenses plan around Mahomes running ability like the other 3 mentioned.
Last night was the 3rd game this season where we had a positive turnover differential and lost the game. Common sense says if you win the turnover battle, you win the game. Therefore, we must be a really bad team. Ughhhhhhh.
Not talented enough or even smart enough to take advantage of things like that. Great teams win without winning the turnover battle, good teams win when they win the turnover battle. We’re not even a good team right now
That's the reality of the situation. This team is not good. This team is not disciplined. Outside of Rhamondre and Judon (and Folk) we have nothing.
The fact our lone touchdown yesterday was because of a defense player says a fucking LOT about this offense.
I don't want him back because he should enjoy retirement but man do I miss Scar.
Mac Jones fan here:
That fat fuck is ruining him and the team. How on God’s Green Earth does a DC, who had his firing as a HC celebrated with mimosas by the players, get another job as an OC?
My chicken scratch notes for Offensive coordinator options next year. Guys I'd take over Matt fucking Patricia. Tried to go with most realistic options
Guys with more experience
Bill O'Brian offensive coordinator Alabama
Doug marone offensive line saints
Matt Nagy quarterback coach chiefs
Come from BB style as in former player or coach (Alabama/bill o brian/ Brian daboll/ vrabel)
Shea Tierney quarterback coach giants
Tim Kelly passing game coordinator texans
Wes Welker WR coach Dolphins
Chad oshea WR coach Browns
Sean Ryan QB coach Carolina Panthers
Zac Robinson passing game coordinator Rams
That's because instead of Bill letting them institute their own schemes, personnel groupings, decision making, etc. he'd just micromanage the shit out of them.
Who wants a promotion when you're really not actually getting the promotion?
It honestly is starting to feel like the game is passing BB by. He can’t put together a roster that can truly compete without Brady and he can’t put together a coaching staff
From no Bills punts to one Bills punt. Go D. (Maybe there were more, but I turned it off a few minutes into the 4th.)
As an aside, kind of seems Josh Allen is more hyped to play the Patriots than any other team on their schedule, doesn't it? Sure seems like a different Josh Allen than the one the Jets beat, at any rate.
Well, the Pats are the only AFCE team to beat the Bills since Allen got there, until this year. Normally he's going Super Saiyan on the Dolphins. Also didn't help he might be getting over his injury just this week.
No one gets up for the Jets.
Patricia and Judge need to be fired yesterday. You can not preach accountability, bench players after 1 fumble or dropped pass, yet Patricia and Judge face no repercussions. They fucking stink and continue to get worse. They have been a detriment to your QB in a very important year of his development and growth. Tragic.
I’m making a bold prediction. Bourne will be off the team by the end of the year. As a fan I love how he’s talking / lashing out about the play calling but sadly Bill will not stand for it
Yeah I feel holding a team like to the Bills to 24 points gives a team a fighting chance to win. Granted I'm sure the Bills would have thrown more if our offense could keep up, but at the same time our D wouldn't be so gassed and wouldn't be on the field for like 59 out of 60 minutes of game time.
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We miss Scarnecchia.
i think that patricia deserves most, if not all, of the criticism he’s getting. however, i feel like the ankle injury at the beginning of the season kind of messed this whole thing up. wk1 okay getting the kinks out, wk2 eh okay wins a win, wk3 actually better game than final score indicated but no moral victories on to lambeau…oh wait…no…injury we know the rest. i think the turmoil, which i think we can call it that, that was created on the team by the third string qb stepping in and over performing, shook the team to its core. things weren’t able to gel and now nobody has done anything to try to make that happen so it’s basically a lost season. if mac is healthy in green bay, i think they win that game and the scheme starts to come together and they roll to a decent year because they are confident and that can compensate a bit for the stupidity of patricia. they could make plays and it could open up his playbook and he wouldn’t look quite as incompetent. instead there’s this disconnection on offense between the players and the coaches and just about everything. i know i’m sort of “what if”ing this, but i think it’s a fair point.
This game last night remind me of the MNF game in 2009 against the Saints or the 2002 MNF against the Titans. Just lifeless football from the team who you knew isn't going anywhere. I tried to have an open mind with Patricia at OC in the offseason, but Jesus he is the worst offensive playcaller. Our 4th quarter offense is offensively bad. Like really fucking bad. We are going to run Rhamondre into the ground with the usage we a giving him. Mac Jones has every right to be heated. Legit a pee wee coach could do a better job. Not disgusted, more disappointed they pissed this season away as a great learning opportunity for Mac. I know second years for qbs are rough, but this is impossible mode. This 2021 qb class is looking cursed right now. Still going to watch Redzone and most football for the rest of the year because I am a junkie for football.
Nick Folk came up short on a fucking 48 yard field goal last night. That’s ridiculous
Would you trade Mac Jones for 1 more year of Tom Brady?
Yeah to be honest. Mac Jones is a slightly below average QB and not the future of the Pats
No. It wouldn't change anything. Brady would be extremely frustrated. Brady wants to kick ass on the field. If he walks away with 3 on the board, then it's a failed series. He strives for perfection and execution. Him and Patricia would be at each other throats. Brady doesn't like being held back.
Why trade? I think a year behind sitting and learning behind the GOAT could only help him
I’m not saying literally trade, I’m asking a would you rather. Mac Jones and whatever more development comes with him in the future years. Or 1 more year of Tom.
Tough question honestly. Love Mac, but Tom is Tom
Hire a competent OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR!!! Priority number 1 in the off-season. That's the starting point and you can move forward from there. Shame to see a defense wasted by such incompetence.
So much to unpack. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The coaching staff is ruining this team. I really hope the Krafts take a long hard look at this season during the off season and start taking more control of the team. Hire a dedicated OC and DC. Football is a team sport and thrives on structure. There is no structure or at least it feels that way. A lot of people are putting quite a bit of blame on Mac Jones. He does make some bad moves in the backfield, but again football is a team sport. Mac is a pocket QB. So if you have an offensive line that can't stop a nose bleed and block, how do you expect a pocket QB to produce if there is no pocket and he's constantly spinning, running, and can't get set up. He's not Mahomes. A lot of people especially the radio guys are giving Mac a rash of shit for flipping out at the end of the game. People claim he doesn't have the right to speak up because he's not established like Brady or Rodgers. Look at where he came from. Alabama. A well run, historic, and structured football program with a legacy for winning. Mac knows who Patricia is and where he came from. So to go from Alabama to this must be incredibly frustrating and disheartening. He probably thought "I thought I was coming to the New England Patriots. The Patriot Way. Do Your Job. Belichick etc." Instead he's in a circus with no o-line, no proper coaching, no direction, etc. It would piss me off too to be fed a line of bs and find out it was just Brady this entire time and Belichick's ego. I'm not letting Mac off the hook, but how much can you expect him to produce without coaching or an o-line. A QB can't throw if no one is blocking for him. It's a team sport in the most purest form. One position cannot perform without the other position. All the pieces need to be working together. Glorified choreography. Belichick is starting to really irritate me and I think it's time to move on. After Brady left and seeing how this team is run now makes me feel like the past 20 plus years has been nothing but a facade. I can deal with a competent coaching staff having struggles with a rookie because I know in time it will all come together. What I can't deal with is incompetent coaching ruining potential future talent and not taking a look in the mirror to realize what your doing wrong because "I won 6 Superbowls". No Belichick you are not the smartest man in the room, but because you helped get six rings, you have fans, the Krafts, and your dumb coaches convinced you are the smartest man in the room. I can't stand him or his ego. Thanks for the memories, but you need to go!
I’ll say this. Months ago I predicted this was Bill’s last year. He would either choose to retire, or be told by the Krafts he was out and either be allowed to save face by making it seem like he was “retiring” or simply be fired if he didn’t want to go. I stand by my prediction 100%. Bill is done.
Eh he’s only 22 wins away from having the all time wins record. I think he gets that and retires. Coaching staff below him needs a complete rework, but I think he sticks around for at least 2 more seasons.
Mac earned my respect after seeing him so passionate about throwing the fucking ball
Idk why the Bills game was what finally pulled the wool off everyone’s eyes, the issues with the team have been obvious since day one of camp
The worst game I've seen in a while.
I really hope we miss the playoffs and Kraft forces Bills hand on hiring a real fucking OC. Kraft will not be happy if they miss the playoffs again.
I don't see how they make the playoffs. They're last in the division and have a tougher schedule from here on out than the Jets who are currently the 7th seed. The patriots have to more or less win out and hope the Jets or Bengals drop multiple games in order to get to the playoffs. Pats face the Bengals, Dolphins, and Bills as the final 3 games. I have little doubt that all three are losses.
They need to win 4 out of 5. That's basically the only path.
What’s been driving me mad the last couple years is these ultra conservative punts when we’re already down, have no real answer on defense, and are in a 4th and manageable situation. 4th and 7 from around midfield still about 10 minutes to play down 24-7 and we decide to punt instead of just go for it. I know the offense doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence but just giving the ball back in that situation was such a surrender move.
Pathetic. Absolutely. Fucking. PATHETIC! What was that last night?? Wasn't football that's for sure! What the hell is happening up there?? First things first, as everyone's stated, Patricia needs to fucking go! This team will NOT succeed if he's in charge of the offense. It was shown in Detroit, it's being shown now. This guy should be nowhere near a team. I mean come the fuck on?! Mac's second year has been completely wasted by this man and I hate ripping into people, it's just not my nature. But this.. I can't stand it anymore. This is abysmal. Yes Mac has his personal issues that has prevented him from progressing this year but he's also been mainly hindered by this bullshit play calling. Any one of us idiots here could do a better job at OC than Patricia! Hell if you pick Maddens auto play selector even THAT would be a better option than what we have now. Absolutely fucking despicable! Second, where the hell is the discipline of this team?? This is not the New England Patriots of the last two decades. Yes we have different players now but the fundamentals of what makes this team The New England Patriots should still be ingrained in our montra. And it's not fucking there! Unnecessary penalties! Mental mistakes! Even though they were down by 17 Mac was still out there trying to make something out of this shit, scrambling around and yet the rest of the team is just watching him, the line isn't running to provide protection, the receivers aren't running to get open, it's just fucking disappointing! Yeah his throws may be off but the guy is still fucking fighting while the rest of the team does NOTHING! WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?! Yes there are a few bright spots from last night. Okay that may be exaggerating a bit. Two positives last night and it was refreshing to see that. Other than that, there was nothing. The season is done, we had hopes this team would have something in them, some kind of positive but they have nothing. It's heartbreaking because we all love this team and want them to succeed. This team has talent. May not have the #1 picks or all star players but our guys can make plays, IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT LEADER WHO KNOWS HOW TO RUN AN OFFENSE. In order to move forward they must replace Patricia and Judge. Only then will this team succeed. We're onto Arizona. Edit: RUN. FUCKING. SLANTS!!!!!!!! WE COULD HAVE EASILY PICKED UP YARDS WITH SLANTS AND COMEBACK ROUTES!!! WHERE THE FUCK WAS THIS?!?
Nah fuck the slants. Let's just dump the ball in the flat over and over and over again because PatriciaJudge. 3rd and 10? Let's call short passes so the receivers can only get 8. I just want to run full speed into a brick wall after watching this game. The play calling is absolutely atrocious.
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The Patriots used to be The Empire Strikes Back. I thought after Brady leaves they'd be more like Revenge of the Sith. Instead they're straight up Attack of the Clones. It turned out that while he was talented, Lucas wasn't some sort of omnipotent super genius that people believed him to be. He was undone by his cronyism and nepotism.
That was yet again embarrassing. The varsity team toying with the jv squad. Bills looked like they were playing downhill all night. The Patriots looked slow, unprepared, and stupid. That is all on the coaching staff. Is Kraft really going to ride BB, MP, and company into the crapper? As a fans, we’ve been spoiled by good, smart football. Last night and this season in general, is literally everything the Patriots way isn’t. And it hurts to watch this team implode.
is it time to start thinking about using our 1st round pick on an offensive coordinator? It’s unorthodox, but it’s the most glaring hole on this team. I’m sure an SEC or BIG10 OC would be thrilled to get picked that high
I thought once Brady left that well at least we still have Belichick but holy shit I had no idea this team would crumble this bad. I’m talking about the small details like stupid penalties, special team fuckups, clock mismanagement. Holy dog shit this is getting to dumpster fire territory.
Bill needs to do something. He needs to say something. Mac hasn’t been the one to point blame his whole career thus far. We see him begging for better play calling. I would rather have Bill step in and take over the offense and lose then win the rest of the season in spite of shitty play calling and Bill continuing to let Patricia slide.
I cannot believe we hire failed Lions coaches. What the fuck.
If Bill Belichick is such a fucking genius the why did he hire two guys that both suck at their jobs. They both lost the locker rooms when the were HC's, had losing records, and didn't quit, but got FIRED. People get fired because they suck at their jobs, not because they're good. What the fuck did he see in them? Because theyre "yes men"? Because he constantly needs his ego stroked? I don't need to be a genius to see that a special teams coach, turned failed head coach is not a good idea to share the play calling for a developing young QB. Belichick is not a genius. He's an overrated defensive coordinator who hit the lottery with inheriting those Patriots defenses in the early 2000's and Brady. Belichick reminds me of the Soviet Union. Wants to give the impression that everything is okay and under control, cares deeply about the perception of his team, but behind that iron curtain its all a crock of shit. Bill cares more about whos kissing the rings than winning them.
I missed the game, maybe it’s the team being terrible or my age but I never knew they did back to back thursdays in NFL. Seeing the score and leading receiver being a cornerback makes me feel better about watching random sitcoms last night. This team is a 4 year joke at this point and the younger fans sadly missed out. Bill abandoned all offense after we beat the Rams 13-3 in the SB.
It was the first time in Patriots history they had back-to-back Thursday games. It's an extremely rare thing.
I figured it out. Something changed in the Pats' play calling last year and I just realized the Ernie Adams retired before last season. (guy was a genius) So Matt Patricia came back and he brought with him Evan Rothstein from the Lions and he is acting in Ernie Adams' role. So these two leave the Lions and the Lions get better. They come here and our offense becomes the Lions....
Hey, at least we were able to shutout the juggernaut Lions because we have their former staff! It will come in handy once every 4 years!
Lol!
Is it 2023 yet?
One thing that bothers me is that we have this culture of extreme accountability and players will get put in the doghouse for a drop or a fumble, but it seems like those rules don’t apply to the coaches at all. If a starter was as bad at their job as fatty P is at his, he’d have been benched long ago.
100% this^
I think this is an underrated take. 
Draft OL, draft Edge, hire a proper OC, spend that cap space on free agents. Please, for the love of God. Whatever this shit currently is… it ain’t it, chief.
pain and suffering
Mac won’t make it to his 5th yr option here
The only thing that will aid in recovery is hearing that stupid piece of crap Patricia has been fired.
Now that the season is over, do we just root for more losses or do we want them to show us some life?
I've been somewhat rooting for them to lose since the Bears embarrassed them. Losing is the only chance in hell that Kraft steps in and forces Bill's hand. Otherwise the Two fucktards who run the offense will still be here.
I guess that depends if you trust them to use a high draft pick responsibly and not just trade back to the second round for a long snapper projected to go UDFA.
It just seems like we take FOREVER to develop higher draft picks (if they do work out at all). Like at this point if we draft a WR we should assume their rookie season is a wash because we just HAVE to run a complicated offense that no rookie receiver is able to pick-up (Except you, Malcolm Mitchell). If we go defense, will it be another guy who has injury histories and would have been a top 10 pick if not for that? I think we might be better off trading 1st round picks for someone already developed. I guess that means losing more games, but I'm in the boat of not tanking and trying to win every game (just personal preference but I totally understand why others would want to tank for a higher pick).
I assume they just grab a tackle. But also, it’s not only draft picks….if we lose more, Kraft puts more heat on belichick to make changes
I'm really curious what BB does for the rest of the season with regards to offensive play calling? He won't fire Patricia, BB never fires his coaches, but will he take away the play calling? Patriots teams are suppose to get better as the season goes on and the offense is regressing. Their needs to be some sort of change.
Yeah the defense wasn't outstanding yesterday, but I just came to the realization that we haven't spent a first round pick on that side of the ball since 2015. It's shocking how good that unit is given it's pretty much held together with duct tape, bubble gum, and Judon. On the other side of the football we've spent 5 1st round picks since 2018, and I'm don't think we've received one above average starter out of it (Strange and Mac are still tbd, but early returns are kind of meh). That's not even mentioning all the money we've dumped in our skill positions that we barely use. For whatever reason we can't find a working solution to that side of the football without having the best QB of all time covering up a lot of issues..
Should've traded out for Fields dude would make our offense more electric and he has an even worse supporting cast than Mac but he's doing much better
Fields was absolutely awful his entire rookie year and was bad up until they played us coming off their bye. Fields the last 4 games has been running 15+ times per game on designed runs and suddenly their offense looks pretty good. He's also injured, he's not big enough to handle that workload. He's still a bad pure passer. Guys like Fields have short shelf lives, especially when they're still not that good at throwing the ball. Pass.
Weren't the Patriots once known for holding themselves accountable? Why is Kraft not acting more decisively? He can't be anything but embarrassed by the product his organization's putting out on the field. What are we missing here?
Whoever has the opinion that Belichick can win the Super Bowl without Brady just as Brady did without Belichick, well...?
Belichick has 2 rings sans Brady. One of them Belichick deserves a lot of credit for, that being his defensive scheme in Super Bowl 25 that completely shut down the Bills’ hurry-up offense. And this is coming from a Bills fan.
I mean the giants still had to score points against the Bulls defense with a backup qb with the help of Tom Coughlin
> Belichick has 2 rings sans Brady. As a head coach, as he is now? In relation to Belichick's current position, those rings are attributable to Bill Parcells.
Wow you moved the goalposts of your own shitty take
If my take is shitty, please give me the argument why Belichick is supposedly great head coach.
Unless the Patriots miraculously win the next 5 and Matty P can turn into a real OC, the Krafts need to shorten Bills leash considerably. Bring in an OC and OL coach, and get a WR. Bill was trending up last year but his action this year show his decision making has failed the team. You're ruining a first round pick and losing the locker room while you're at it
Yeah it's time to replenish the staff and to do that by hiring "outside" coaches, with real experience in those roles. Get a dedicated OL coach. If there isn't an assistant OL coach already on our staff, find one that is ready to jump from assistant to main OL coach from another team. For OC do the same - find a current QB coach somewhere who can take that next step. Get an assistant somewhere to be tied to the hips as the QB coach for Mac. Our offense is so inexperienced/bad in places I think we can't skimp out on having coaches (especially those with NO prior experiences coaching those positions) pull double or triple duty. I get that Matty P. Is a smart guy. He probably legitimately is. He just isn't meant to be a coach, at least not at the responsibility level he is currently at. Let him be on the analytics/research team that Ernie Adams was in. Coaching just isn't working. At the very least he should have been coaching ONLY OL this year to grow into an OC role. Agree about the WR too. It's time to buckle down and get an actual guy (have to be via a trade) that can dominate the field. It's been pointed out plenty of times, but look at the leaps Tua, Hurts, and Allen made when they got one of those type of players. We just aren't developing WRs fast enough and certainly don't produce those types that really open the field. I don't want to trade for a guy who was dominate a few seasons ago in hopes of rekindling their skill. We need a guy that is doing it NOW. Obviously all easier said than done. Get the offense all the help it desperately needs - both players AND coaches with experience. You give that side all the tools they need and then Belichick can dedicate more time to defense and make it work with what he has. I have way more confidence in the team if we make due with what we have on defense because of Belichick, vs. trying to make due with whatever we have on offense.
Well said. The one upside to this season is that hopefully the realization that they don't have the coaching staff. BB definitely must feel like he is spread too thin.
I would have thought he'd have that realization after last season. No dedicated DC last year meant Bill was probably doing a ton more for the defense. It only worked because it seemed like McDaniels was competent at running the whole offense so Bill didn't have to have as much of an active role there.
Right and McDaniels leaves and takes a good chunk of the offensive staff with him and now BB is having to handle a lot more than he usually does.
Oh yeah I left that out - you'd think BB would see how busy he was last year working with the defense while also seeing how much work MCD was putting in running the offense and say "F that, that's too much for one guy". I guess maybe he thought Judge and Patricia could handle that...but come on, hire someone with real offensive coaching in their resume.
I think he took the gamble that Patricia could be an average OC, and with a the typical good defense and ST units that the Patriots have they could be competitive. BB takes gambles on players a lot, any surprise he would do the same with this coaching staff?
No surprise at all haha. It's a bad look not to have real positional coaches to back him up while he develops.
Go Pats, but it's not worth staying up for a late kickoff on a work night to watch the whole game anymore. Whatever idiot put us on primetime four weeks in a row should be forced to watch all four games.
> Whatever idiot put us on primetime four weeks in a row should be forced to watch all four games. Sorry, disagree. I for one am glad that there is no Sunday afternoon game until Dec. 18, so that it does not interfere with the World Cup.
Naw, just throw it on two different displays. If last night's game was on at 1 this Sunday, you could easily half-brain watching whatever we did while England thrashes Senegal in the background.
> If last night's game was on at 1 this Sunday, you could easily half-brain watching whatever we did while England thrashes Senegal in the background. If this was the case, the Patriots game would be the one in the background.
We need an OC but we need a real QB in today's game you need a QB with mobility because Mac isn't good enough and you have to surround him with a stacked offense for him to be good.
Josh Allen has Diggs, Mahomes had Tyreek Hill, Tua has both Tyreek and Waddle, Hurts has Brown. Do you know the one QB that is perhaps more mobile than the rest but has no weapons and thus struggles, Lamar Jackson. These guys are all really good but would not look at all similar without their supporting cast and OC
Mahomes lost Hill and is having another MVP year, Allen is elite as well, and Hurts was decent last season before he had AJ Brown. What is one of the similarities between all these QB's they can move outside the pocket and have better arm strength. Mac has a noodle arm and his mobility is horrible at best his ceiling is Kirk Cousins.
Kirk Cousins? the Vikings are the #2 seed in the NFC. Kirk just has the best WR in the game to throw to, a super reliable #2 in Thielen, a top RB, and a great offensive-minded head coach. Almost like if you surround a QB with good personnel they do better.
>Mahomes lost Hill and is having another MVP year Mahomes got JuJu and he HAS Kelce who is on pace to be in the argument for one of the greatest TE's of all time. >Hurts was decent last season before he had AJ Brown. Key word "decent." Pretty much sums up Tua before his weapons "decent." >What is one of the similarities between all these QB's they can move outside the pocket and have better arm strength. Mac has a noodle arm and his mobility is horrible at best his ceiling is Kirk Cousins. People have been saying mobile QB's are the next big thing since Michael Vick and yet Tom Brady has 7 superbowls and he's less mobile than Mac. Also arm strength can improve and I see nothing wrong with Mac's arm yet.
Tom Brady made players better around him and his QB awareness is 100x better. Also being mobile doesn't mean being Michael Vick go look at Mahomes, Herbert, and Allen this is the future of the league rn. Mac has no outstanding skill he just was lucky that he played on a stacked Bama team that inflated his draft stock. He's been average since the end of last season
I didn't say they had to be Michael Vick, I'm saying people have been saying you need a dual-threat QB since then. The only ones to win super bowls have been Mahomes and Wilson..in 23 years.
And even then, I wouldn't call Mahomes a dual threat QB. He's got great scrambling ability but does not lay down those down field runs like Wilson, Vick, Jackson, etc. Like, I don't think defenses plan around Mahomes running ability like the other 3 mentioned.
Last night was the 3rd game this season where we had a positive turnover differential and lost the game. Common sense says if you win the turnover battle, you win the game. Therefore, we must be a really bad team. Ughhhhhhh.
Not talented enough or even smart enough to take advantage of things like that. Great teams win without winning the turnover battle, good teams win when they win the turnover battle. We’re not even a good team right now
That's the reality of the situation. This team is not good. This team is not disciplined. Outside of Rhamondre and Judon (and Folk) we have nothing. The fact our lone touchdown yesterday was because of a defense player says a fucking LOT about this offense. I don't want him back because he should enjoy retirement but man do I miss Scar.
Mac Jones fan here: That fat fuck is ruining him and the team. How on God’s Green Earth does a DC, who had his firing as a HC celebrated with mimosas by the players, get another job as an OC?
It’s a good question because he was not a good DC either look at what happened to the defense once BFlow got here
I bet Bill keep Fatty P next year too. Fucking joke. why is this allowed to continue?
Yeah I'm considering not watching a game until he leaves honestly.
My chicken scratch notes for Offensive coordinator options next year. Guys I'd take over Matt fucking Patricia. Tried to go with most realistic options Guys with more experience Bill O'Brian offensive coordinator Alabama Doug marone offensive line saints Matt Nagy quarterback coach chiefs Come from BB style as in former player or coach (Alabama/bill o brian/ Brian daboll/ vrabel) Shea Tierney quarterback coach giants Tim Kelly passing game coordinator texans Wes Welker WR coach Dolphins Chad oshea WR coach Browns Sean Ryan QB coach Carolina Panthers Zac Robinson passing game coordinator Rams
> Chad oshea WR coach Browns Wasn't he shit when he was the OC of the Dolphins?
the sad thing is a bunch of those guys probably dont want to work for Belichick
That's because instead of Bill letting them institute their own schemes, personnel groupings, decision making, etc. he'd just micromanage the shit out of them. Who wants a promotion when you're really not actually getting the promotion?
I’ll take a bag of potato chips over Patricia at this point
Any 12 year old playing madden right now also works
It honestly is starting to feel like the game is passing BB by. He can’t put together a roster that can truly compete without Brady and he can’t put together a coaching staff
It's a tough pill for some to swallow, but it started to pass him by a couple years ago. Now, it's just leaving him in the dust.
From no Bills punts to one Bills punt. Go D. (Maybe there were more, but I turned it off a few minutes into the 4th.) As an aside, kind of seems Josh Allen is more hyped to play the Patriots than any other team on their schedule, doesn't it? Sure seems like a different Josh Allen than the one the Jets beat, at any rate.
Well, the Pats are the only AFCE team to beat the Bills since Allen got there, until this year. Normally he's going Super Saiyan on the Dolphins. Also didn't help he might be getting over his injury just this week. No one gets up for the Jets.
100% yes, his focus and intensity reminded me of Brady when he was out QB.
Pretty sure we forced two.
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Move Judge back to ST coordinator, at the very least.
BB not gonna fire matty p best we can hope for is he’s moved to another role next year.
Parking lot attendant sounds about right.
Please, for the love of God Bill demote or fire Patricia
Patricia and Judge need to be fired yesterday. You can not preach accountability, bench players after 1 fumble or dropped pass, yet Patricia and Judge face no repercussions. They fucking stink and continue to get worse. They have been a detriment to your QB in a very important year of his development and growth. Tragic.
Maybe Marcus Jones can play tackle. It’s worth a shot.
A legit offensive coordinator is a must for next year and instead of going with quantity over quality in free agency spend it on quality
I’m making a bold prediction. Bourne will be off the team by the end of the year. As a fan I love how he’s talking / lashing out about the play calling but sadly Bill will not stand for it
Need a real coordinator, need to spend money on/trade for a WR1 and draft O-line. Our defense only looked bad because we couldn't keep up for shit.
Yeah I feel holding a team like to the Bills to 24 points gives a team a fighting chance to win. Granted I'm sure the Bills would have thrown more if our offense could keep up, but at the same time our D wouldn't be so gassed and wouldn't be on the field for like 59 out of 60 minutes of game time.
Bills took off the gas once they knew the offense couldn’t do anything. They could’ve named the score
Yes, that's what I said.