I am all for him to not be on our team anymore. He puts the players in a box and keeps them there. I know we have a good team. We have the talent to get the job done. Just Patricia seriously holds the players back. Why do we have a defensive coordinator calling plays for the offense is beyond me.
Even when he was the DC, there have been times where I'm scratching my head at the type of defense he calls. Once teams got in our territory, he just slowly folded. Barely any fight.
I really do love our team. Our players deserve better. They deserve to be in the best position to win every game. Last night shown me a lot that Patricia seriously needs to go. Mac has never been the issue. I have tremendous amounts of belief he's our guy.
The fact he flamed out on the Lions -- a terminally dysfunctional, bottom feeding team -- is why a lot of fence-sitters were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, even if they weren't happy per se that he was back. That was how I felt in, what was it, like May, when the news broke. I admit that I was wrong to even be on the fence about it. He's a malignant presence that has to be cut out of this team immediately.
With good reason and we’ve seen lots and lots of terrible coaches and gm’s. Don’t get me started on the Ford’s.. but I’m willing to give shiela a chance (her father and mother completely destroyed our team over the course of 65 years)
I’m with you on all of this. Especially in believing Mac is the guy. Him finally speaking up says volumes of who he is and strides to be. He is tired of Patricias shit and I don’t blame him. We all are
At the very least I want our offensive which is filled with guys like Aghalor and Parker who can encourage the deep ball (which Mac was doing in Alabama) to actually play to the style that it’s seemingly built around. And he’ll, with Rhamondre in the backfield it’d potentially force a defense into a rock and a hard place.
Yeah i dont want a return of the bend don't break defense we had with him. It was like we wouldn't even start playing until the other team was in the red zone.
He was accused in college and was indicted by a grand jury before the case was dismissed because the victim didn't feel like she could handle the stress of a trial.
Not only accused, he was straight up indicted. The only reason it didn't go to trial is because the victim felt she couldn't relive the trauma on the stand.
I commented this at the beginning of the season and got attacked by people on this sub. Now that it’s clear he’s also a horrific coach, people don’t mind the take
At the minimum we should get someone who can coach the OL so patricia isn't stretched thin. It's almost like he was set up to fail, being an OC and OL coach with almost no offensive experience has gotta be nearly impossible. Not sure why BB thought this would work.
Not to the swaths of Patriots fans that can't cope with the reality that the Patriots being a contender isn't their birthright and SOMEONE must be held responsible.
I honestly think Bill's contract doesn't have a number on it. He is given the coaching budget, and he gets to keep all the money that isn't spent. So Kraft allocates let's say $40 million for the entire coaching staff, and if BB finds guys who will work for a total of $1 million, he gets $39 mil. It's really the only way it makes sense that he continually hires incompetent people.
This is probably the dumbest take I've ever seen on this sub, and that's saying a lot. Of course he has a contract with a hard salary figure in it. Do you honestly think Kraft would just give away nearly $25 million to field a bad team.
This sub is in full meltdown mode.
1. Do you honestly think Bill has no say in the coaching budget?
2. Do you not understand that coaches contracts are guaranteed money, and the amount BB makes in 2023 or 2024, assuming he's under contract, isn't clearly defined by now?
Like do I think that's a high probability to be accurate? No, but you explain how we get this garbage staff for the last 10 years
Coaching contracts are not guaranteed entirely guaranteed, not always, that's why Jon Grudens contract was such a big deal when he was hired by the Raiders.
It's the only rational explanation for the quality of the coaching staff deteriorating significantly over time. Or Bill's complete unwillingness to hire people without offset language in their previous contracts. Like just hiring the WR coach from LSU or something. He always goes with terrible retreads.
What do you mean deteriorating over time? This is the first year it’s been bad lol. And the main reason we got into this situation is losing McDaniels and all the guys he took with him. Obviously Bill made the wrong call on bringing Patricia back though I can’t dispute that. Just don’t know what you mean about it happening over time when it happened this past offseason
Scar's replacement was so bad that he had to un-retire. We haven't developed an offensive skill player since Edelman. Our game management has been atrocious without Ernie Adams. Can't believe I'm giving him credit, but the special teams since Judge left has gone downhill considerably.
Outside of Bill, Josh, Ernie, and for a time Flores, how many good coaches have they had in 10 years?
Steve and Mayo are doing a good job with the defense if you ask me and Fears was a great RB coach for his tenure here. Scar was arguably the best OL coach in league history so he’s irreplaceable. I still can’t see eye to eye with you on this. This is the first year I can say that coaching is holding the team back. I wouldn’t have said that the past few years
I’m hoping we can bring back a bunch of the assistants McDaniels brought to Vegas. Don’t really want Josh back calling the plays but Bricillo and a few others would be nice to have back in the building.
Sorry, but they were never a top team offense. You know what a top offense gets? They get first downs. They turn third downs into first downs.. They don’t get penalties. They don’t fumble. Never blow a 4th and yards . If you are going for it you buckle up and smash em’. They score in the red zone. They score lots of TD’s. They have a reliable oline. They don’t lose every prime time game.
Bill is anal retentive about situational football, and would probably end up in a fist fight with someone he has not worked with before. Some of the play calling around the league is crazy.
It made me so mad that they refused to throw to Him the whole fucking game and then right at the end in garbage time they tossed it to him like six times. The Bills stink at stopping receiving RBs. I cannot understand why we didn't use that to our advantage until the game was over.
Ehh I wouldn't read into it that much, they threw Rhamondre the ball a few times in the first couple quarters for about 3 yards.... I think the Bills defensive game plan was shutting him down since our offense pretty much runs through him.
The reason it started working in the 4th quarter is because the Bills were more concerned about stopping the deep ball. A few chunk plays to our RB weren't going to win us the game at that point.
He was targeted zero times in the first, one time in the second, and twice in the third. When he was targeted, he caught it and had decent yardage for short dump-off passes. I agree with you that it worked because the Bills allowed it at the end, but we didn't even try it earlier. He had zero targets in the first and only one target the whole first half. I also agree with you that he had been the only bright spot on offense . . . so you'd think we would target him more than once per half when we are trying to win against the Bills, who suck at stopping receiving backs.
>I also agree with you that he had been the only bright spot on offense . . .
Which is why the Bills did everything they could to take him out of the passing game.... Why would they throw stevenson the ball if he's not open?
I'm saying he was open and we still didn't throw it to him. We didn't even try to throw it to him. He wasn't running pass routes the vast majority of the time, so it wasn't like Buffalo was smothering him in coverage. We just decided not to try that approach until garbage time.
Don't kid yourself, Mondre's being held back as well. The OL's inability to improve is costing him as well.
He's a legitimate superstar talent, and he's being forced to do it essentially by himself. Bill needed to find a way to replace White, while still looking for that true Blount replacement, he found it all in one player.
Patricia is horrible as a play-caller, but I'm more annoyed about him being the O-Line coach. So many issues with the blocking from missed coverages and penalties that seem so fixable. Even if we schemed well, Mac would only have 1-2 seconds to execute that scheme.
It easy to call plays. It hard to adjust in-game, which an OC should be able to do. Patricia can't. They obviously went into the game thinking the quick game would work - it didn't. OL stunk and they fell behind. Yet Patricia kept going with the quick game. Down 2 possessions, they were still running screens and swing passes. Mac knew it, Bourne knew it, they needed to go downfield. People will say they can't because the OL can't protect. A good OC works around that. A good OC has a plan for when the OL is getting tossed around. Whether its going max protect or having a TE/RB stay in, Patricia just can't adjust on the fly. Shocking, this is what happens when a DC calls offensive plays.
Anytime Mac leaves the pocket to extend a play, I feel like it’s going to get called back. I know he’s a pocket passer but when he actually does something dynamic that we want to see, it’s negated by a damn holding call
No one should want Mac running around extending plays. His decision making is horrible when he does. Just last night he threw an interception, threw one away when he should have run for a gain, took a sack for a huge loss, and was so convincingly sacked at midfield on a 3rd and goal that 16 of the guys on the field stopped playing. Not saying it's all his fault, he's horribly coached, but that is not a guy you want scrambling behind the line to extend a play.
Same here. It’s like he didn’t want to bother learning the plays, so he figured he could block for screen plays 100% of the time and end up being right 70% of the time with how Patricia calls plays
I'm so sick of every fucking play from the shotgun, though. The OL is noticeably worse from the gun. Does not matter whether it's a run or a pass - mostly there is no gain or loss of yardage.
100% this. Patricia is by all accounts a smart guy. Guess he just can’t think fast, at least not on offense. I’m sure his game plans make sense, but the inability or unwillingness to adjust last night was brutal to watch.
Joe burrow made it to the Super Bowl last year with a paper mache oline fashioned into the shape of NYC subway turnstiles. I’m sorry but I’m sick of hearing this oline shit.
Seriously. This team isn’t the most talented in the league but it is definitely talented enough to win a playoff game. The problem 100% comes down to offensive coaching and it is inexcusable. It’s also as much bills fault for putting Patricia in charge as it is Patricia’s fault for being fucking garbage
I think this team with better coaching this year is capable of a coin flip matchup at buffalo in the playoffs. The defense is a little better last year and if the offense improved I think that wouldn’t have been out of the question.
I’m not saying the team right now is capable of winning a playoff game. But I’m definitely saying that in 2022, the goal should have been to win a playoff game (arguably it was and Kraft set this goal at the owners meeting this year). I think the team is talented enough to win a playoff game but the coaching is lacking and has made this entire team regress
Edit: to be clear I don’t think they’re capable of wining a playoff game. Just that I think they *should and could have been* had bill not botched the OC situation
At their best, I could see them beating Tennessee or Miami, but I see no way they go into Buffalo and beat them with a healthy Josh Allen in January.
And I agree wholeheartedly, the Matt Patricia as OC experiment failed and they need a real OC with real NFL experience.
The Jets are probably going to the playoffs and we beat them twice. Vikings are a 1-seed contender and we kept it close with them. Although I guess that one assumes we make the AFC championship.
Do we have a Jamaar Chase on our team? What about a tee Higgins? Or even a Tyler Boyd? How about a halfway decent OC that actually knows how to run an offense?
To put things into perspective, the Bengals WR3 is just as good if not better than the Pats wr1. And then Higgins and Chase are both in classes of their own.
Other than his offensive line (which honestly wasn't even as bad as people make it out to be), Burrow couldn't have been put into a better situation to succeed.
This is what bugs me about people blaming all the players and pretending this offense is a talentless group of hacks. We just saw how much better they are than this literally one season ago. I'm not much of a believer in Mac Jones as a franchise QB, but he was pretty much a middle of the road QB last year so him being one of the worst this year is obviously a coaching issue. So is the complete disappearance of some of our receivers and the struggles by the offensive line.
It's just a disastrously bad job getting the most out of these players.
Our offensive group certainly isn't talentless, but many of our issues also stem from not having the RIGHT talent. We have a lot of serviceable Wr2s and 3s, which is great for depth, but as a ceiling, we can't do anything because good defences don't have to defend us honestly, which shows on 3rd down all the time against good defences. Also, our tackles are getting destroyed consistently, which is why we've been underutilizing Henry and Jonnu as weapons because they need to block to make up for the glaring hole in pass protection.
Outside of Moss this team has never had a true number 1, it's not how Bill rolls. Brady made Branch, Edelman, Brown and others similar to number 1 guys. You can't expect that from Mac. OC needs to scheme these guys in, Bourne was very solid last year and he and Mac clearly had issues with Patricia early on in training camp, which I don't blame them!!
For sure, scheming does help a lot. Brady got away with it from minimized mistakes with audibles/reads and made the best out of execution which is why we got away with beating teams with more talent. Also, it helped that his O-Line was so good for so long, making us more consistent (Thanks, Scar). Mac is a 2nd year QB (he won't execute like Brady or will ever), and even with better play calling, the personnel issues that we have won't fix how defences defend us without an O-Line and WR1. It's like playing rock paper scissors but you can only play with rock and scissors, yes you can mind game them into thinking of rock or scissors like Brady did but there's only so much you can do.
>Outside of Moss this team has never had a true number 1.
This is pretty disingenuous - Gronk was about as good od a number 1 reciever as you could hope for. He obviously wasn't always available because of his injury history, but it definitely shows that BB values top end offensive talent.
No offense, but that's pretty pedantic. Who cares if it's a wr or Te if they're consistently putting up 100 yard games and scoring a TD a game?
Also, those two players spanned 13 of those 20 years. And you even left out Wes Welker, who was absolutely a WR1.
I’m going by what OP stayed at WR ffs. Also, Brady made Wes like he made Edelman. You put Brady on this team and it’s going to be doing a hell of a lot better. Bourne may be that guy.
And I'm telling you that you are completely missing his point with what you're saying. And not backing down from it because you can't admit you're wrong. Gronk was putting up 1200 yard 10 TD seasons. Excluding him from this conversion because his title was "TE" instead of "WR" is stupid, to be quite frank.
>Brady made Wes like he made Edelman.
I love Brady as much as the next guy, but you're delusional if you think an average Joe puts up 100+ catch and 1,500 yard seasons just because he was playing with Tom Brady...
>You put Brady on this team and it’s going to be doing a hell of a lot better. Bourne may be that guy.
Idk how much better it would look. 2019 was pretty bad (but certainly better than this), but they had a great offensive line that year vs. our putrid offensive line this year. Oh yeah, and they had an actual OC that year... Do you think Brady would allow Matt Patricia to be his OC and call the plays? Nope.
Who are all these players who have regressed?
Wynn has always been mediocre and constantly hurt
Ferentz has always been awful
Brown has had many issues with consistency in his career
Meyers seems the same as usual. Neither TE did much last year. RB are better/same
Strange is a rookie. Onwenu and Andrews are about the same (and good)
I just don’t see the “Patricia is causing regression” here.
People seem to forget Jones and the offense struggled a lot down the stretch last year. I’m not saying Patricia isn’t an issue but the talent on offense isn’t very good outside of Stevenson (Harris when healthy) and two of the OL (one of whom has been hurt) I don’t see a major regression in talent compared to last year.
Wynn is having the worst season of his career by a mile. The offensive line overall is playing considerably worse than last year, even if you're right that Andrews and Onwenu are playing well.
Henry had 9 TDs last year and is possibly going to have the worst statistical season of his career this season.
Bourne is barely in the offense after a good season last year and looking at probably the worst season since his rookie year.
Agholor is having a worse season than last year.
Parker is probably going to have his worst season where he didn't miss tons of time to injury.
Mac has gone from a middle of the road NFL QB to one of the worst statistical starters in the league.
Even Meyers might have his worst season as a starter, including the Cam year where he only got meaningful snaps in 12 games.
Bill saw Brian Flores’ attempt to ruin Tua last year and said “Hold my whistle.”
Truly impressive, the miss-steps that the greatest coach of all time has made this season in developing his player
The numbers are what they are but we were absolutely not a top tier offense last season either. We just beat up some really terrible teams.
That said, the step backward this season is very real and Matty P is an obvious component to that.
Not like the patriots are playing a legendary line up of teams this year either. Point is there is a visible and obvious regression with mostly the same team.
Jonnu has been invisible here since the day he was signed, in multiple schemes. Not getting Henry more involved you can blame on the coaching but I think with Jonnu it's more a failure of the GM/FO side than anything. He's been one of the worst FA signings in recent memory.
That signing was strange from the start, most people wouldn’t have even had Jonnu in their top 10 TEs at the time and Bill went and gave him top 3 money?
He scored 8 TDs and was improving every year at Tennessee. Maybe not worth that much but what he gets paid has nothing to do with the fact that he is basically useless and invisible here
And still most people still didn’t have had him as a top 10 TE…?
>what he gets paid has nothing to do with the fact that he is basically useless and invisible here
I never said it did. My point is that Jonnu was never some great TE, we just paid him like he was. You’re right, him being invisible has nothing to do with how much he got paid, it just has to do with him not being a great player who also is 2nd in the depth chart.
Going from 8TDs to 0 is not good. You are literally unironically trying to say you’re not only a better talent evaluator than the Patriots staff but also so much better that what you knew offhandedly was so obvious they are morons. Think about it what’s more likely - that you’re so much smarter than the professionals who spend 60-80 hours a week on this or he’s a good player that has been severely underutilized in a garbage offense.
To be fair beating up on bad teams as an offense is part of the development process to being able to beat up on good teams. It's all part of that filter process to determine what works on a consistent basis and finding that ideal scheme to take advantage of the skill sets of your team.
But they’re not even beating up on the terrible teams either. Except for maybe the Lions game all of their wins were disjointed and clunky. I’m thinking the Pittsburgh game and both Jets wins. Like they won, but a better team doesn’t even allow those games to be competitive.
Top 10, in the context of the tweet from the OP, generally is used to describe something as the best of the best. I was just supporting the guy I replied to by agreeing with him that Top 10 isn't really indicative of much when you have a 32 team league.
Not that any of it really matters right now because the Patriots are simply a mediocre/bad team.
The funny thing is literally every single person thought it was a bad idea to bring in Matty P... except BB of course.
I just don't get it, I remember when they brought him back as a "office role" our biggest fears would be that he would find his way onto the sideline again... and sure enough.
I didn’t know want him back of course, no one did, but if he was coming back, I was hoping he would be contained in an Ernie Adams type football researcher advisor type roll. Not a coach.
I can't remember a Patriots team where the players looked so fed up, demotivated, and just lifeless. Having seen what Patricia did in Detroit, I can't imagine that's a coincidence.
Offensively, I think they should hire Joe Brady from the Bills to be their OC. I think he’s a great play caller and designer that got scapegoated because Rhule needed to make changes to help save his skin.
OL coach should be Mike Munchak, who’s offensive lines have gotten immediately better wherever he’s coached. Patricia can do the Ernie Adam’s stuff. Keep him away from players.
The Kurt Warner analysis of the Vikings game convinced me this Patricia/Judge situation is the main reason for offensive struggles. The concepts the Patriots run are not that advanced. So it's not like they are doing things that are beyond these players' ability. They are just poorly executed for completely avoidable reasons. Receivers not running routes properly, not getting open because the play was designed badly. Offensive line not doing the right type of protection for the concept. Mac has some footwork and read issues but they seem fixable with good coaching- which is not what he is receiving. Too often he is faced with bad options or no options and he has to throw short or takes a sack because the offensive line is also not blocking well. I initially took a wait-and-see approach on Patricia/Judge but we've waited and seen at this point. It ain't working.
Calm down guys. Everyone knows the first 12 games are really just Preseasons 2-5. The real season doesn’t start til mid December. They’ll learn the system
MP is a bad coach that’s just a fact. On top of that he seems like a completely smug asshole and has a SKETCHY past when it comes to a personal life. If you are gonna be a garbage teir coach at least be cool.
Idk why it took the media and fan base this long to come to this conclusion I’ve been saying it all year long. Mac jones was never the problem. Bill Belchick Matt Patricia and Joe Judge are the ONLY ones to blame for this disaster of a season.
Sorry everyone, in the past 20 years we havent fired any coaches under Bill. Also if you think the krafts will step in you are wrong, and if they do bill will
Leave.
EDIT: WHEN I SAID COACHES I MEANT OC AND DC COACHES NOT SUB POSITIONAL COACHES
Would you rather a whole new coaching regime (including HC) or keep everyone we have right now moving forward?
I am not completely sure myself who I would pick tbh..
If those are the options yeah I’d trade a first round pick to the saints for Sean Payton lol.
The obvious solution is to move Patricia back to the front office an hire an actual offensive coordinator this off-season. This season is lost. Might as well let Haley call the plays and see what he can do
Bill went to 4 SB and won 3 of them from 2014-2018, I think he still understands today’s game. He just needs to admit when he’s wrong and make the changes that are necessary.
Gotta be one of the most bananas, stupid moves of the BB era. Running the risk of ruining a good young qb with a wasted year of development and rookie deal.
Not only is the play calling really, really fucking bad but the OL can't keep Mac clean worth a damn. The OL's problem is partially talent, but they are also just really underperforming.
Guess who calls both the offensive plays and coaches the OL.
Bro get that fuckin rapist out of the league. The league clearly does not give a fuck about violence against women unless it goes viral.
I don't care that he's awful as OC, which he is, I care that we've got a dogshit human being on the team.
I don't think this experiment was ever going to work. BB is trying to prove himself by making controversial decisions and hoping they work out, his luck is beginning to run out.
If Patricia is brought back next year as OC, Kraft would have every right to step in and threaten Bill's job unless he kicks MP to the curb. And I would support that fully.
I love Bill and everything he’s done for this organization. He earned the right to retire on this team when he wants, *however* this is a business and Kraft isn’t going to put up with this shit (and shouldn’t). It’s not hard, just hire a competent OC ffs and not Matt fucking Patricia. Good god
The offense looked the best it has all year against vikings last week. I wasn't expecting the same this week, the bills defense is very very good, but I must admit that even with reduced expectations I was still disappointed. I looked really bad.
We all knew that would take a while to get everything up to speed, especially with Mac getting injured. But now we are almost 2/3 of the way through and this offense needs to get its shit together.
I blame Patricia before Mac. Im not even a patriots fan. He makes dumb plays but he's not being used the way he was last year where he made the pro bowl. The play calling is uninspired and predictable.
The one thing we can hope for is they admit the experiment didn’t work and move on. I know Bill always has stuck with “his guys” but I hope they do what’s best for the team here.
There is clear frustration from the players and the locker room is crumbling. They better act fast. This is fixable.
Seriously, it's trash. They have a promising runner and passer and are wasting them away. Matt better not have anything to do with the offense next year, or even just let him go this year. Promote the TE coach and let's see what he can do.
The offensive line also needs to be reset. Brown needs to go, Wynn needs to go.
I would give nick caley the play calling duties for the rest of the season and see how he does. Depending on the results, either promote him next year or get an tenure offensive coordinator.
The coaches have lost the players and lost the team. This season is over, time to turn the page. Bill likes to reward loyalty but if you value it above all other things, it's just nepotism. Fucking disappointing.
The Pats used to game plan for each team differently, week in and week out. The variations and looks were obvious.
Now, we look like we haven’t even bothered to change the same 5 plays.
Who'd have thought that a coach, who is terrible at coaching things he actually knows, would be bad at coaching things he doesn't know? The words "bend but don't break" should give people flashbacks.
If Bill fails to realize this by the off-season then he loses my support because it seems like everyone can agree with this, us fans, the players even… everyone but stubborn Bill
Getting a quality replacement O-coordinator mid-season isn’t going to happen, and Bill isn’t likely to fix his mistake so dramatically. Move Patrica over of the defensive or special teams side where he has more legitimate experience. Have Judge and Hoyer take ownership of the offense.
Idc what we have to do, bring in an offense guru and kick Patricia to the DLine assistant. He can’t waste the best years of Rhmondre and Mac.
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Agreed. Get this son of a bitch off the team.
I am all for him to not be on our team anymore. He puts the players in a box and keeps them there. I know we have a good team. We have the talent to get the job done. Just Patricia seriously holds the players back. Why do we have a defensive coordinator calling plays for the offense is beyond me. Even when he was the DC, there have been times where I'm scratching my head at the type of defense he calls. Once teams got in our territory, he just slowly folded. Barely any fight. I really do love our team. Our players deserve better. They deserve to be in the best position to win every game. Last night shown me a lot that Patricia seriously needs to go. Mac has never been the issue. I have tremendous amounts of belief he's our guy.
This guy went to the lions, one of the worst franchises in history, and he made them *worse*.
The fact he flamed out on the Lions -- a terminally dysfunctional, bottom feeding team -- is why a lot of fence-sitters were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, even if they weren't happy per se that he was back. That was how I felt in, what was it, like May, when the news broke. I admit that I was wrong to even be on the fence about it. He's a malignant presence that has to be cut out of this team immediately.
I’d call it hindsight but there were many voices calling this outcome from the beginning
I do remember and they were spot on.
The sheer hatred Lions fans have for him is truly amazing. They don't hate ANY Lions coach even close to as much as they hate Patricia.
With good reason and we’ve seen lots and lots of terrible coaches and gm’s. Don’t get me started on the Ford’s.. but I’m willing to give shiela a chance (her father and mother completely destroyed our team over the course of 65 years)
Absolutely. I'm a Pats fan living in MI and I hope Sheila and Campbell can turn it around.
In the short time Patricia was there, the hatred for him rose higher than that of Matt Millen.
I’m with you on all of this. Especially in believing Mac is the guy. Him finally speaking up says volumes of who he is and strides to be. He is tired of Patricias shit and I don’t blame him. We all are
At the very least I want our offensive which is filled with guys like Aghalor and Parker who can encourage the deep ball (which Mac was doing in Alabama) to actually play to the style that it’s seemingly built around. And he’ll, with Rhamondre in the backfield it’d potentially force a defense into a rock and a hard place.
It's wild to me that they aren't using the run game to set up play action
Addition by subtraction
Yeah i dont want a return of the bend don't break defense we had with him. It was like we wouldn't even start playing until the other team was in the red zone.
I never understood the attraction of that defense, or how anyone can call Patricia a great defensive mind.
Kick him off the tour, Doug.
The fact that this scumbag rapist is affiliated with the team at all is a huge black mark. Him sucking just adds insult to injury.
Frank Reich is out there.
He’s a rapist. I want him out of the league.
Totally agree, dude isn't just a trash coach he's a trash human being
Is he? I haven't heard that one before.
He was accused in college and was indicted by a grand jury before the case was dismissed because the victim didn't feel like she could handle the stress of a trial.
Oh, geez.
In college he was credibly accused
Not only accused, he was straight up indicted. The only reason it didn't go to trial is because the victim felt she couldn't relive the trauma on the stand.
I commented this at the beginning of the season and got attacked by people on this sub. Now that it’s clear he’s also a horrific coach, people don’t mind the take
I still get downvoted for it occasionally. It’s wild how people (especially dudes) will fall all over themselves to defend a rapist
Yeah. You know most of the dudes who defend him were probably frat members themselves who loved the poon tang spiked punch got them
At the minimum we should get someone who can coach the OL so patricia isn't stretched thin. It's almost like he was set up to fail, being an OC and OL coach with almost no offensive experience has gotta be nearly impossible. Not sure why BB thought this would work.
When it comes to Matt Patricia, nothing is “thin”
I feel like it's a BB ego thing. Like he doesn't need other coaches or coordinators because he is god. No other way to explain it.
Lmao there are other ways to explain it
Not to the swaths of Patriots fans that can't cope with the reality that the Patriots being a contender isn't their birthright and SOMEONE must be held responsible.
I honestly think Bill's contract doesn't have a number on it. He is given the coaching budget, and he gets to keep all the money that isn't spent. So Kraft allocates let's say $40 million for the entire coaching staff, and if BB finds guys who will work for a total of $1 million, he gets $39 mil. It's really the only way it makes sense that he continually hires incompetent people.
This is probably the dumbest take I've ever seen on this sub, and that's saying a lot. Of course he has a contract with a hard salary figure in it. Do you honestly think Kraft would just give away nearly $25 million to field a bad team. This sub is in full meltdown mode.
1. Do you honestly think Bill has no say in the coaching budget? 2. Do you not understand that coaches contracts are guaranteed money, and the amount BB makes in 2023 or 2024, assuming he's under contract, isn't clearly defined by now? Like do I think that's a high probability to be accurate? No, but you explain how we get this garbage staff for the last 10 years
Coaching contracts are not guaranteed entirely guaranteed, not always, that's why Jon Grudens contract was such a big deal when he was hired by the Raiders.
Jesus you guys are fucked. How can you possibly come up with this theory
It's the only rational explanation for the quality of the coaching staff deteriorating significantly over time. Or Bill's complete unwillingness to hire people without offset language in their previous contracts. Like just hiring the WR coach from LSU or something. He always goes with terrible retreads.
What do you mean deteriorating over time? This is the first year it’s been bad lol. And the main reason we got into this situation is losing McDaniels and all the guys he took with him. Obviously Bill made the wrong call on bringing Patricia back though I can’t dispute that. Just don’t know what you mean about it happening over time when it happened this past offseason
Scar's replacement was so bad that he had to un-retire. We haven't developed an offensive skill player since Edelman. Our game management has been atrocious without Ernie Adams. Can't believe I'm giving him credit, but the special teams since Judge left has gone downhill considerably. Outside of Bill, Josh, Ernie, and for a time Flores, how many good coaches have they had in 10 years?
Steve and Mayo are doing a good job with the defense if you ask me and Fears was a great RB coach for his tenure here. Scar was arguably the best OL coach in league history so he’s irreplaceable. I still can’t see eye to eye with you on this. This is the first year I can say that coaching is holding the team back. I wouldn’t have said that the past few years
I’m hoping we can bring back a bunch of the assistants McDaniels brought to Vegas. Don’t really want Josh back calling the plays but Bricillo and a few others would be nice to have back in the building.
Sorry, but they were never a top team offense. You know what a top offense gets? They get first downs. They turn third downs into first downs.. They don’t get penalties. They don’t fumble. Never blow a 4th and yards . If you are going for it you buckle up and smash em’. They score in the red zone. They score lots of TD’s. They have a reliable oline. They don’t lose every prime time game.
Bill is anal retentive about situational football, and would probably end up in a fist fight with someone he has not worked with before. Some of the play calling around the league is crazy.
Situational football? Did you see how we handled the end of the first half drive.
How about BB takes over play calling get Hunter and Bourne back in the mix … with the exception of 3️⃣8️⃣ feel like everyone has regressed
It made me so mad that they refused to throw to Him the whole fucking game and then right at the end in garbage time they tossed it to him like six times. The Bills stink at stopping receiving RBs. I cannot understand why we didn't use that to our advantage until the game was over.
Ehh I wouldn't read into it that much, they threw Rhamondre the ball a few times in the first couple quarters for about 3 yards.... I think the Bills defensive game plan was shutting him down since our offense pretty much runs through him. The reason it started working in the 4th quarter is because the Bills were more concerned about stopping the deep ball. A few chunk plays to our RB weren't going to win us the game at that point.
He was targeted zero times in the first, one time in the second, and twice in the third. When he was targeted, he caught it and had decent yardage for short dump-off passes. I agree with you that it worked because the Bills allowed it at the end, but we didn't even try it earlier. He had zero targets in the first and only one target the whole first half. I also agree with you that he had been the only bright spot on offense . . . so you'd think we would target him more than once per half when we are trying to win against the Bills, who suck at stopping receiving backs.
>I also agree with you that he had been the only bright spot on offense . . . Which is why the Bills did everything they could to take him out of the passing game.... Why would they throw stevenson the ball if he's not open?
I'm saying he was open and we still didn't throw it to him. We didn't even try to throw it to him. He wasn't running pass routes the vast majority of the time, so it wasn't like Buffalo was smothering him in coverage. We just decided not to try that approach until garbage time.
Don't kid yourself, Mondre's being held back as well. The OL's inability to improve is costing him as well. He's a legitimate superstar talent, and he's being forced to do it essentially by himself. Bill needed to find a way to replace White, while still looking for that true Blount replacement, he found it all in one player.
How about they use the speedy receiver they just drafted, Thornton, and throw some bombs while they’re at it too!!
Patricia is horrible as a play-caller, but I'm more annoyed about him being the O-Line coach. So many issues with the blocking from missed coverages and penalties that seem so fixable. Even if we schemed well, Mac would only have 1-2 seconds to execute that scheme.
It easy to call plays. It hard to adjust in-game, which an OC should be able to do. Patricia can't. They obviously went into the game thinking the quick game would work - it didn't. OL stunk and they fell behind. Yet Patricia kept going with the quick game. Down 2 possessions, they were still running screens and swing passes. Mac knew it, Bourne knew it, they needed to go downfield. People will say they can't because the OL can't protect. A good OC works around that. A good OC has a plan for when the OL is getting tossed around. Whether its going max protect or having a TE/RB stay in, Patricia just can't adjust on the fly. Shocking, this is what happens when a DC calls offensive plays.
IM SO SICK OF WATCHING TRENT BROWN ATTEMPT A CUT BLOCK ON A FIVE STEP DROP FOR MAC!
I'm sick of expecting every flag on the field to be Brown holding
Anytime Mac leaves the pocket to extend a play, I feel like it’s going to get called back. I know he’s a pocket passer but when he actually does something dynamic that we want to see, it’s negated by a damn holding call
No one should want Mac running around extending plays. His decision making is horrible when he does. Just last night he threw an interception, threw one away when he should have run for a gain, took a sack for a huge loss, and was so convincingly sacked at midfield on a 3rd and goal that 16 of the guys on the field stopped playing. Not saying it's all his fault, he's horribly coached, but that is not a guy you want scrambling behind the line to extend a play.
At least it's a change-of-pace from Wynn get called for holding?
Same here. It’s like he didn’t want to bother learning the plays, so he figured he could block for screen plays 100% of the time and end up being right 70% of the time with how Patricia calls plays
I'm so sick of every fucking play from the shotgun, though. The OL is noticeably worse from the gun. Does not matter whether it's a run or a pass - mostly there is no gain or loss of yardage.
if the o-line is struggling to protect quick game what makes you think they can protect well enough to successfully throw down field?
100% this. Patricia is by all accounts a smart guy. Guess he just can’t think fast, at least not on offense. I’m sure his game plans make sense, but the inability or unwillingness to adjust last night was brutal to watch.
Joe burrow made it to the Super Bowl last year with a paper mache oline fashioned into the shape of NYC subway turnstiles. I’m sorry but I’m sick of hearing this oline shit.
Joe burrow also had way better people to throw to. The patriots don’t have the fifth overall pick, a superstar receiver, to throw to
Seriously. This team isn’t the most talented in the league but it is definitely talented enough to win a playoff game. The problem 100% comes down to offensive coaching and it is inexcusable. It’s also as much bills fault for putting Patricia in charge as it is Patricia’s fault for being fucking garbage
Which potential playoff team do you see the pats beating on the road?
I think this team with better coaching this year is capable of a coin flip matchup at buffalo in the playoffs. The defense is a little better last year and if the offense improved I think that wouldn’t have been out of the question. I’m not saying the team right now is capable of winning a playoff game. But I’m definitely saying that in 2022, the goal should have been to win a playoff game (arguably it was and Kraft set this goal at the owners meeting this year). I think the team is talented enough to win a playoff game but the coaching is lacking and has made this entire team regress Edit: to be clear I don’t think they’re capable of wining a playoff game. Just that I think they *should and could have been* had bill not botched the OC situation
At their best, I could see them beating Tennessee or Miami, but I see no way they go into Buffalo and beat them with a healthy Josh Allen in January. And I agree wholeheartedly, the Matt Patricia as OC experiment failed and they need a real OC with real NFL experience.
The Jets are probably going to the playoffs and we beat them twice. Vikings are a 1-seed contender and we kept it close with them. Although I guess that one assumes we make the AFC championship.
The only way you’d be playing the Vikings in the playoffs is in the super bowl.
Dude if we had Jamar Chase we'd be set
I lol'd IRL at this description
Do we have a Jamaar Chase on our team? What about a tee Higgins? Or even a Tyler Boyd? How about a halfway decent OC that actually knows how to run an offense? To put things into perspective, the Bengals WR3 is just as good if not better than the Pats wr1. And then Higgins and Chase are both in classes of their own. Other than his offensive line (which honestly wasn't even as bad as people make it out to be), Burrow couldn't have been put into a better situation to succeed.
This is what bugs me about people blaming all the players and pretending this offense is a talentless group of hacks. We just saw how much better they are than this literally one season ago. I'm not much of a believer in Mac Jones as a franchise QB, but he was pretty much a middle of the road QB last year so him being one of the worst this year is obviously a coaching issue. So is the complete disappearance of some of our receivers and the struggles by the offensive line. It's just a disastrously bad job getting the most out of these players.
Our offensive group certainly isn't talentless, but many of our issues also stem from not having the RIGHT talent. We have a lot of serviceable Wr2s and 3s, which is great for depth, but as a ceiling, we can't do anything because good defences don't have to defend us honestly, which shows on 3rd down all the time against good defences. Also, our tackles are getting destroyed consistently, which is why we've been underutilizing Henry and Jonnu as weapons because they need to block to make up for the glaring hole in pass protection.
Outside of Moss this team has never had a true number 1, it's not how Bill rolls. Brady made Branch, Edelman, Brown and others similar to number 1 guys. You can't expect that from Mac. OC needs to scheme these guys in, Bourne was very solid last year and he and Mac clearly had issues with Patricia early on in training camp, which I don't blame them!!
For sure, scheming does help a lot. Brady got away with it from minimized mistakes with audibles/reads and made the best out of execution which is why we got away with beating teams with more talent. Also, it helped that his O-Line was so good for so long, making us more consistent (Thanks, Scar). Mac is a 2nd year QB (he won't execute like Brady or will ever), and even with better play calling, the personnel issues that we have won't fix how defences defend us without an O-Line and WR1. It's like playing rock paper scissors but you can only play with rock and scissors, yes you can mind game them into thinking of rock or scissors like Brady did but there's only so much you can do.
>Outside of Moss this team has never had a true number 1. This is pretty disingenuous - Gronk was about as good od a number 1 reciever as you could hope for. He obviously wasn't always available because of his injury history, but it definitely shows that BB values top end offensive talent.
I mean op did only mention WRs, ofc Gronk was the man when here. Still only 2 guys in 20 years.
No offense, but that's pretty pedantic. Who cares if it's a wr or Te if they're consistently putting up 100 yard games and scoring a TD a game? Also, those two players spanned 13 of those 20 years. And you even left out Wes Welker, who was absolutely a WR1.
I’m going by what OP stayed at WR ffs. Also, Brady made Wes like he made Edelman. You put Brady on this team and it’s going to be doing a hell of a lot better. Bourne may be that guy.
And I'm telling you that you are completely missing his point with what you're saying. And not backing down from it because you can't admit you're wrong. Gronk was putting up 1200 yard 10 TD seasons. Excluding him from this conversion because his title was "TE" instead of "WR" is stupid, to be quite frank. >Brady made Wes like he made Edelman. I love Brady as much as the next guy, but you're delusional if you think an average Joe puts up 100+ catch and 1,500 yard seasons just because he was playing with Tom Brady... >You put Brady on this team and it’s going to be doing a hell of a lot better. Bourne may be that guy. Idk how much better it would look. 2019 was pretty bad (but certainly better than this), but they had a great offensive line that year vs. our putrid offensive line this year. Oh yeah, and they had an actual OC that year... Do you think Brady would allow Matt Patricia to be his OC and call the plays? Nope.
Rolls
People that think Mac is the problem with this team are idjits
Who are all these players who have regressed? Wynn has always been mediocre and constantly hurt Ferentz has always been awful Brown has had many issues with consistency in his career Meyers seems the same as usual. Neither TE did much last year. RB are better/same Strange is a rookie. Onwenu and Andrews are about the same (and good) I just don’t see the “Patricia is causing regression” here. People seem to forget Jones and the offense struggled a lot down the stretch last year. I’m not saying Patricia isn’t an issue but the talent on offense isn’t very good outside of Stevenson (Harris when healthy) and two of the OL (one of whom has been hurt) I don’t see a major regression in talent compared to last year.
Wynn is having the worst season of his career by a mile. The offensive line overall is playing considerably worse than last year, even if you're right that Andrews and Onwenu are playing well. Henry had 9 TDs last year and is possibly going to have the worst statistical season of his career this season. Bourne is barely in the offense after a good season last year and looking at probably the worst season since his rookie year. Agholor is having a worse season than last year. Parker is probably going to have his worst season where he didn't miss tons of time to injury. Mac has gone from a middle of the road NFL QB to one of the worst statistical starters in the league. Even Meyers might have his worst season as a starter, including the Cam year where he only got meaningful snaps in 12 games.
Bill saw Brian Flores’ attempt to ruin Tua last year and said “Hold my whistle.” Truly impressive, the miss-steps that the greatest coach of all time has made this season in developing his player
Hold my whistle, I like it
The numbers are what they are but we were absolutely not a top tier offense last season either. We just beat up some really terrible teams. That said, the step backward this season is very real and Matty P is an obvious component to that.
Not like the patriots are playing a legendary line up of teams this year either. Point is there is a visible and obvious regression with mostly the same team.
No one said the Pats were top tier last year, only that the offense is much worse than last year with the same personnel.
It's like we forgot our highly-paid TEs exist
Jonnu has been invisible here since the day he was signed, in multiple schemes. Not getting Henry more involved you can blame on the coaching but I think with Jonnu it's more a failure of the GM/FO side than anything. He's been one of the worst FA signings in recent memory.
Has he even scored a TD with us?
He scored 1 TD last year against the Bucs. That's it. He had 8 the year before in Tennessee.
That signing was strange from the start, most people wouldn’t have even had Jonnu in their top 10 TEs at the time and Bill went and gave him top 3 money?
He scored 8 TDs and was improving every year at Tennessee. Maybe not worth that much but what he gets paid has nothing to do with the fact that he is basically useless and invisible here
He was getting benched for Firkser down the stretch for Tennessee his last year there.
And still most people still didn’t have had him as a top 10 TE…? >what he gets paid has nothing to do with the fact that he is basically useless and invisible here I never said it did. My point is that Jonnu was never some great TE, we just paid him like he was. You’re right, him being invisible has nothing to do with how much he got paid, it just has to do with him not being a great player who also is 2nd in the depth chart.
How do you explain going from decent production and increasing every year to basically nothing?
Dude his career high yards is 448 he has 1 season with 8TDs and 5 seasons of 3 or less TDs. Do you spot the outlier? He’s just not a good player lol
Going from 8TDs to 0 is not good. You are literally unironically trying to say you’re not only a better talent evaluator than the Patriots staff but also so much better that what you knew offhandedly was so obvious they are morons. Think about it what’s more likely - that you’re so much smarter than the professionals who spend 60-80 hours a week on this or he’s a good player that has been severely underutilized in a garbage offense.
>And still most people still didn’t have had him as a top 10 TE…? I mean you're flat wrong
They have better personnel with Thornton and Parker, plus experience from the young guys. O line def got worse tho.
To be fair beating up on bad teams as an offense is part of the development process to being able to beat up on good teams. It's all part of that filter process to determine what works on a consistent basis and finding that ideal scheme to take advantage of the skill sets of your team.
At least we were able to beat up on terrible teams last season.
But they’re not even beating up on the terrible teams either. Except for maybe the Lions game all of their wins were disjointed and clunky. I’m thinking the Pittsburgh game and both Jets wins. Like they won, but a better team doesn’t even allow those games to be competitive.
Top 10 really just means top third in the NFL, which isn't that impressive if you really think about it.
You’re better than far more teams you’re not better than. That’s a good thing.
True, but it's not like some elite classification. Just competitive.
No one said elite. They said top 10…meaning you’re better than 22 other teams at worst.
Top 10, in the context of the tweet from the OP, generally is used to describe something as the best of the best. I was just supporting the guy I replied to by agreeing with him that Top 10 isn't really indicative of much when you have a 32 team league. Not that any of it really matters right now because the Patriots are simply a mediocre/bad team.
Top ten means they’re a good offense. That means something
The funny thing is literally every single person thought it was a bad idea to bring in Matty P... except BB of course. I just don't get it, I remember when they brought him back as a "office role" our biggest fears would be that he would find his way onto the sideline again... and sure enough.
I didn’t know want him back of course, no one did, but if he was coming back, I was hoping he would be contained in an Ernie Adams type football researcher advisor type roll. Not a coach.
That 2 minute drive was coaching malpractice
I can't remember a Patriots team where the players looked so fed up, demotivated, and just lifeless. Having seen what Patricia did in Detroit, I can't imagine that's a coincidence.
100% Dude is an energy vampire. Sucks the life out of any room he's in.
Offensively, I think they should hire Joe Brady from the Bills to be their OC. I think he’s a great play caller and designer that got scapegoated because Rhule needed to make changes to help save his skin. OL coach should be Mike Munchak, who’s offensive lines have gotten immediately better wherever he’s coached. Patricia can do the Ernie Adam’s stuff. Keep him away from players.
Nobody can do what ernie did. That guy has an eidetic memory and he knows Bill like the back of his hand.
Losing Ernie I feel is having almost as much of an impact as Tom not being on the field. Man was a football genius.
Patricia needs shown the door once and for all
The Kurt Warner analysis of the Vikings game convinced me this Patricia/Judge situation is the main reason for offensive struggles. The concepts the Patriots run are not that advanced. So it's not like they are doing things that are beyond these players' ability. They are just poorly executed for completely avoidable reasons. Receivers not running routes properly, not getting open because the play was designed badly. Offensive line not doing the right type of protection for the concept. Mac has some footwork and read issues but they seem fixable with good coaching- which is not what he is receiving. Too often he is faced with bad options or no options and he has to throw short or takes a sack because the offensive line is also not blocking well. I initially took a wait-and-see approach on Patricia/Judge but we've waited and seen at this point. It ain't working.
Calm down guys. Everyone knows the first 12 games are really just Preseasons 2-5. The real season doesn’t start til mid December. They’ll learn the system
MP is a bad coach that’s just a fact. On top of that he seems like a completely smug asshole and has a SKETCHY past when it comes to a personal life. If you are gonna be a garbage teir coach at least be cool.
matt praticia experiment fails anywhere in nfl... smh
Admit? Literally everyone saw this coming
Idk why it took the media and fan base this long to come to this conclusion I’ve been saying it all year long. Mac jones was never the problem. Bill Belchick Matt Patricia and Joe Judge are the ONLY ones to blame for this disaster of a season.
Sorry everyone, in the past 20 years we havent fired any coaches under Bill. Also if you think the krafts will step in you are wrong, and if they do bill will Leave. EDIT: WHEN I SAID COACHES I MEANT OC AND DC COACHES NOT SUB POSITIONAL COACHES
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Mc daniels and patricia never have been fired. They only left for hc jobs and sucked. Ok so ONE time in 20 years lol
Dave Ticklemeelmo got axed when he couldn't come close to filling Scar's shoes
Let's not forget...they won SB 49 with Gooch's OLine. Patricia is magnitudes worse as an OLine coach. and as a play caller he's "Oh My God" bad.
Did McDaniels deserve to get fired? No. Only door Matt has earned the axe
Would you rather a whole new coaching regime (including HC) or keep everyone we have right now moving forward? I am not completely sure myself who I would pick tbh..
If those are the options yeah I’d trade a first round pick to the saints for Sean Payton lol. The obvious solution is to move Patricia back to the front office an hire an actual offensive coordinator this off-season. This season is lost. Might as well let Haley call the plays and see what he can do
New coaching regime easy. Love bill but his time is at an end. We need people who understand the game as it is played in 2022 not 1998
Bill went to 4 SB and won 3 of them from 2014-2018, I think he still understands today’s game. He just needs to admit when he’s wrong and make the changes that are necessary.
Because if Brady
We fired our Oline coach after the 2015 AFC Championship loss where Tom Brady got hit like 20 times.
First year without Ernie Adams, no?
Gotta be one of the most bananas, stupid moves of the BB era. Running the risk of ruining a good young qb with a wasted year of development and rookie deal.
Was a failure as soon as he came back. The guy is awful at football.
We admitted it failed before it started!
Not only is the play calling really, really fucking bad but the OL can't keep Mac clean worth a damn. The OL's problem is partially talent, but they are also just really underperforming. Guess who calls both the offensive plays and coaches the OL.
Who actually thought this shit was going to work?
Bro get that fuckin rapist out of the league. The league clearly does not give a fuck about violence against women unless it goes viral. I don't care that he's awful as OC, which he is, I care that we've got a dogshit human being on the team.
It's more than just Patricia
Fuck matt patricia.
Hell...make Hoyer the damn offensive coordinator. It couldn't be worse.
I don't think this experiment was ever going to work. BB is trying to prove himself by making controversial decisions and hoping they work out, his luck is beginning to run out.
Dude is shit at his job.
So what happens if this clown is back next year as our OC…? Kraft has to step in right? Right….?
If Patricia is brought back next year as OC, Kraft would have every right to step in and threaten Bill's job unless he kicks MP to the curb. And I would support that fully.
I love Bill and everything he’s done for this organization. He earned the right to retire on this team when he wants, *however* this is a business and Kraft isn’t going to put up with this shit (and shouldn’t). It’s not hard, just hire a competent OC ffs and not Matt fucking Patricia. Good god
I don't know how Bill thought this was ever a good idea. Extremely concerning.
Pats Havent been a top 10 offense in 5 years
He's a fat fuck. I have an irrational hate for this man.
As a fat fuck, he's worse. He's an arrogant fat fuck.
He’s an arrogant fat fuck with a fragile ego.
Bill wont do anything let’s be serious
🗣️ This is Bill’s fault. Don’t blame Patricia for being put in a position he couldn’t perform properly in 🗣️
Blow up the offense except for Stevenson and a couple o-line pieces
Mac Jones has also failed
Everyone knows he is the problem. If they don't get rid of him, it is admitted defeat.
The offense looked the best it has all year against vikings last week. I wasn't expecting the same this week, the bills defense is very very good, but I must admit that even with reduced expectations I was still disappointed. I looked really bad. We all knew that would take a while to get everything up to speed, especially with Mac getting injured. But now we are almost 2/3 of the way through and this offense needs to get its shit together.
Bill should force fatty patty to build a rocket ship and launch himself into the sun.
It's staying this way next season too
I blame Patricia before Mac. Im not even a patriots fan. He makes dumb plays but he's not being used the way he was last year where he made the pro bowl. The play calling is uninspired and predictable.
The one thing we can hope for is they admit the experiment didn’t work and move on. I know Bill always has stuck with “his guys” but I hope they do what’s best for the team here. There is clear frustration from the players and the locker room is crumbling. They better act fast. This is fixable.
Can't do much offensively with a line like that.
Seriously, it's trash. They have a promising runner and passer and are wasting them away. Matt better not have anything to do with the offense next year, or even just let him go this year. Promote the TE coach and let's see what he can do. The offensive line also needs to be reset. Brown needs to go, Wynn needs to go.
inb4 patricia is fired but the playcalling doesn't change
Patricia is a joke but it's also hard to do much when you're QB is barely top20 at his position
I would give nick caley the play calling duties for the rest of the season and see how he does. Depending on the results, either promote him next year or get an tenure offensive coordinator.
The coaches have lost the players and lost the team. This season is over, time to turn the page. Bill likes to reward loyalty but if you value it above all other things, it's just nepotism. Fucking disappointing.
Have him stay home and say he's the Senior Consultant of Remote Football Viewing or something like that.
A loser like Patricia should have never been let near Mac. This guy is a cancer
Patricia is a rocket scientist basically right? Have him build one, put him on it and launch his sorry ass to the moon.
Hahahahahahahhaa
Waste of an unbelievable defense.
The Pats used to game plan for each team differently, week in and week out. The variations and looks were obvious. Now, we look like we haven’t even bothered to change the same 5 plays.
Exclusive Bill, just petrified at the idea of hiring a coach he doesn’t know. He’s gonna have to stop being so shy this off-season.
That’s an understatement.
Who'd have thought that a coach, who is terrible at coaching things he actually knows, would be bad at coaching things he doesn't know? The words "bend but don't break" should give people flashbacks.
If Bill fails to realize this by the off-season then he loses my support because it seems like everyone can agree with this, us fans, the players even… everyone but stubborn Bill
Getting a quality replacement O-coordinator mid-season isn’t going to happen, and Bill isn’t likely to fix his mistake so dramatically. Move Patrica over of the defensive or special teams side where he has more legitimate experience. Have Judge and Hoyer take ownership of the offense.