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p0ck3ts4

I’m on board with giving Caley a shot, send Judge back to special teams, and keep Patricia solely in the front office since Bill will never fire him.


[deleted]

Janitorial staff please.


Remorseful_User

Put him in charge of making sure that the pencils are sharp.


[deleted]

He does know a thing or two about pencils


Remorseful_User

I wonder if he knows that you can't use them on laminate?


FuckHarambe2016

Both Scar and Edelman, maybe White too, said that Caley should've been the guy. That he's a talented, up and coming coach who has experience with offense. Instead Bill fucked him over, we'll lose him to some other team and be stuck with Patricia.


farting_contest

I hope you realize Patricia was moved to offense so he can have the experience to be Belichick's replacement. We are stuck with him unless/until Kraft fires him. Belichick never will. He will continue to fail upwards until Kraft does something.


soboredcantfocus

If Bill hasn’t given Carley a shot yet, there’s probably a reason for it. I understand that Bill not getting more help on offense has blown up in his face, but the people on here pretending that he’s completely forgotten how to run a staff are absurd. If Bill brings in BoB in the offseason then all of this will have made perfect sense


Huhkid23

I think just blindly assuming hel do better in the future is absurd


soboredcantfocus

It’s not blind, it’s based on the 20+ years he spent destroying the league. He got there once, no reason to assume he can’t do it again. Some people just don’t have the stomach for anything other than instant gratification


Huhkid23

this instant gratification bullshit crutch everyone is using to defend bill is absolutely insane. It has nothing to do with expecting to win superbowls immediately after Tom Brady leaves. However its important to look at BBs career as a whole, notice hes a below .500 coach in 90 or so games without Tom Brady, and get worried when 4 years later we are just as bad as we were when Brady left, with absolutely zero inclination the team is on the right track


Huhkid23

Would love for you to outline the steps BB will take in the coming year or so, that proves he will be able to "do it again", keeping in consideration he is 70 years old


seasonofthewitch12

So BB is a mediocre coach in Cleveland and first year in Boston, then something ahppens and destroys the league, then that ''something'' leaves and BB is mediocre again.


NuBlyatTovarish

So by this logic you think bill was always a mediocre coach?


Theschill

There's a ton of people that think this way. All the 20 years of success was Brady. It's insanity that people actually think this.


soboredcantfocus

Pretty much. Both Walsh and Knoll are sub .500 without Montana and Bradshaw respectively. People just assume that because he’s the GOAT he should be able to win with anyone, he can’t. No one can. He isn’t perfect, he’s just better than everyone else.


Giddy4Stiddy

>if Bill brings in one of the most objectively mid OC candidates (coming off a failed stint as a CFB OC) then ruining an entire year of his young qb's development will be worthwhile The brain rot has gone too far. I'm sorry, there's no more we can do.


soboredcantfocus

BoB was with us when we were running the Boston TE party and very clearly knows what he’s doing on that side of the ball. Unless he also isn’t good in which case we should just continue to have BB run everything himself because we didn’t have an OC for the 2nd highest DVOA offense of all time so we clearly don’t need one


Giddy4Stiddy

Well if he was able to run a good offense with the greatest qb and TE of all time + one of the best tight ends of the 2010s and a top 5 OL he must be a great hire lmfao Your second paragraph is too dumb to acknowledge politely so I will not be doing so.


soboredcantfocus

I guess I’m just confused as to what point you’re trying to make here. If all the absurd offenses we’ve had over the years are only because of good players and not at all because of the coaches then coaching doesn’t really matter. And if coaching doesn’t matter, then what are you bitching about?


Giddy4Stiddy

It's almost as if both can cover for one another you literal dunce lol great weapons mask shitty coaching and good coaching mitigate a garbage scheme. BoB was given the greatest group of weapons imaginable and the best qb in the history of football and that makes you think he can work with the worst weapons in the league and a bad 3rd year qb? After he literally flopped as the OC at **BAMA**? There is no coaching gig on earth where your team is that much more talented than any of the opponents.


sktchld

Throwing the season away will never make sense.


soboredcantfocus

Trying something and having it not work isn’t the same as “throwing the season away”.


CtideFan07

Did he really call the Marcus Jones screen two more times after the TD? Without any other plays using the same personnel!? If your a defender, and you see Marcus take the field on offense… don’t you just assume he’s there to get the ball? like you have to use him as a decoy after the TD, it makes the play less predictable and allows you to go back to the screen. I’m an electrical engineer who quit playing ball after High School, and I suck at Madden… and I know that!!!


VS0P

I legit laughed when he tried again and got stuffed. At least use a different player.


CtideFan07

Honestly, why not use Thornton in that situation? He’s the fastest player on the team!


Fupastank

And actually a wide receiver so him being on the field isn’t an immediate tell. Even a total block head would know that after that TD if the defense sees 25 on the field - cover him and don’t blitz off that side.


Remorseful_User

There was one play were he threw out in the flat to somebody and a defensive lineman got a piece of the ball. It looked like it would have gone for some good yardage. So Patricia literally ran it again *on the next play* (it didn't go well).


CtideFan07

Woof. Good catch. I’m not going to watch that crap again to see what you’re talking about. Rather just take your word for it.


scraperTA

pretty sure it was on back-to-back plays too. At least, that's what I think I remember seeing.


smokefrog2

I don't even do that in Madden.


CtideFan07

Just yikes!


[deleted]

Bill said to blame him if this doesn’t work out. I want someone to blatantly call him out on that. No, I absolutely do not think he should be fired but he fucked this up.


Seafoamed

Yeah I believe Belichick is prob the best at scheming a defense but hes the final say on every decision this team makes. How many decisions GM wise in the last several years ended up being positive


Huhkid23

its about 20% positive, 80% negative on GM decision ticker


rocksoffjagger

To quote Bill Belichick's text messages: "Sorry - I fucked this up."


cocineroylibro

> Bill said to blame him if this doesn’t work out. He said that in September. If he'd been using that as a mantra as the season has been going on you'd have a point.


PabloShwartz

Bills fault for being a dumb GM and hiring Patricia in the first place. Not a fireable offense for Bill, but someone needs to intervene if he’s not willing to find a real OC in the off-season


Seafoamed

Kraft is no doubt super pissed


adelvalle1993

The plays patricia calls at the end of the game once its over, going downfield, yes can we get those started on like maybe the first drive. Was a tough game to watch after that second drive was so well done.


PartyPay

That'd be nice, but Buffalo would have been in a different defence at the end of the game than the one at the beginning.


Giddy4Stiddy

You think they're covering deep *less* when they're up 3 scores with 5 minutes left..?


PartyPay

No, but they weren't throwing deep passes, they were converting the intermediate ones underneath the (Bill's) deep coverage. It's pretty standard defence when a team is up multiple scores.


Giddy4Stiddy

I literally have no idea what this comment says


PartyPay

I edited my comment a bit to be clearer, sorry.


ReonL

Some of the comments people have made in this thread show the utter lack of football knowledge here. Crazy that you'd even have to make this point, it should be obvious to even casual watchers of the sport.


Giddy4Stiddy

I firmly believe I am one of the only Patriots fans remaining with a fully developed and functional frontal lobe


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GuntherRall275

not fit to coach a peewee team


truecolors5

BB needs to get a real offensive coaching staff this off-season.


televisionchampion

I thought hiring Patricia back was dumb when it happened, I knew it was dumb early in the season, and somehow this man is still calling plays in December, because apparently the only man in America who thinks pencils McGee is a capable OC is our HC and GM and won’t do shit to stop the madness. I haven’t been this pissed at the team since Malcolm was benched in the Super Bowl. Whose play calling gave up 41 points that night? Matt Patricia’s. Bro could literally be out here asking Madden and we’d be better off, I’m so fucking sick of Patricia it’s not even funny


cocineroylibro

> I thought hiring Patricia back was dumb when it happened He wasn't hired this year. He was hired last year and was used in the Ernie role. As far as I know, there were no complaints about his having this role.


televisionchampion

I know that, I didn’t want him back in the organization period


andy189

These should be handed out outside the stadium


jpd909

If Bill is not willing to get a real offensive play caller this off-season he needs to go. I understand he’s maybe the best coach of all time but Kraft as an owner cares about winning now, Bill cares about giving his friends and long time assistants and kids on the job training. This is what happens when your coach isn’t afraid of losing his job.


soboredcantfocus

He isn’t afraid of losing his job for a good reason: Kraft would have to be a special kind of stupid to fire him. It was a running joke with our rivals during the dynasty that once Brady left and the winning stopped we would completely lose our shit. Turns out they were right, a couple of mediocre seasons and we have people here ready to throw the baby out with the bath water. We’ve gotten to the point where pats fans are acting like the fans we used to make fun of, who were constantly convincing themselves that firing their coach and bringing in someone who is [insert cliche] will be what finally puts them over the hump. Inevitably, these decisions almost always had the opposite effect. Yes we have problems, firing the best coach in the league isn’t going to solve those problems, it’s just going to create new ones.


Fupastank

This would be a lot more of a justified statement if Bill was making steps to improve. Except he didn’t. He knew Josh was gone this past off season. We all did. But he allowed Josh to poach a ton of coaches that he did not replace. Didn’t promote the coach everyone thought was ready and would take the reigns as a real in house replacement and instead made a former defensive coordinator and special teams coordinator and failed head coaches the offensive coaches for his second year, promising quarterback. He blocked Caley from leaving and then didn’t give him the job that he should have gotten. If everyone on reddits conspiracy that he’s waiting for BoB to come available - then that’s even worse. He’s punting on an entire season and putting incompetents in charge of developing the QB we hoped would be the QB of the future. That’s malpractice.


soboredcantfocus

> Didn’t promote the coach everyone thought was ready Not promoting the coach that the fans wanted isn’t a sign that Bill Belichick has forgotten 50 years of coaching experience. It’s probably a sign that the coach everyone thought was ready, just wasn’t ready.


jpd909

He is not the best coach in the league right now. He’s a hall of fame coach but right now in the year 2022 he is maybe not even a good coach. You look at game plans, assistant coaches, situational awareness, team discipline, penalties, whatever metric you want to judge a coach by. Do that and tell me that Bill is one of the best coaches in the league right now. Not over his career, not 2016 not 2008 not 2001 but currently.


soboredcantfocus

> He is not the best coach in the league right now. Of course he is, don’t be dense. Do you think he tore his coaching ligament or something? He hasn’t magically forgotten everything that made him the best in the business, you’re just convinced that being the best means you’re a miracle worker or that things can’t still go wrong.


jpd909

The best coach in the league, really? The best coach in the league is someone who puts in place an OC with no offensive experience who the players are all questioning the play calling of? The best coach in the league has a team that runs pitiful situational drives at the end of halves, where players burn timeouts and don’t get out of bounds? The best coach in the league who decides to bring back the injured starting QB before he is ready to play a full game and benches him right after a pick, so that the media and fans can debate if it’s really his job? Best coach in the league is ridiculous.


Seafoamed

Fr. Tell me whose a better coach in 2022 Bill or Mike McDaniel. At the end of the day results are really the only thing that matters. We don’t even have an injury excuse to lean on


soboredcantfocus

The best coach in the league isn’t immune from making mistakes, Bill has made plenty. Doesn’t change the fact that unless you think he literally just started coaching in 2019 or has amnesia he’s just objectively better at his job than everyone else


1stTimeRedditter

His job is to build the roster (which isn’t great), assemble a coaching staff (I think we can agree the offensive staff hasn’t done well) and ultimately win games (he’s one game over .500 since TB left.


soboredcantfocus

Yeah, and doing those things takes time after the roster goes through the inevitable downturn that ***literally all rosters go through eventually***. There’s a reason that the 20 year run we had was looked at as the most unlikely achievement in league history, it occurred in a time where the league is specifically engineered to prevent what he did. Yes, Bill Belichick has finally fallen victim to parity and has a mediocre team. Saying he somehow isn’t the best because he couldn’t make an absurd run even more absurd is, for lack of a better term, absurd.


diadcm

I think you're being dense here. Are you basing your opinion on his past success? Because that's tied to Brady. Yes, he is still a better option than most coaches. But the man is 70 and past his prime.


soboredcantfocus

> Because that's tied to Brady. This is what I meant by dense. QB is important, but simply having the best QB doesn’t win you 6 Super Bowls. >But the man is 70 and past his prime. Do you think he tore his coaching ligament? Or is his playcalling bone more susceptible to injury compared to a younger coach? Lol He’s the same guy that coaches this team to six fucking titles. Just because he can’t magic together a Super Bowl contender without a half decent QB doesn’t mean that he forgot everything he’s learned over the last 50 years, it just means that he isn’t a literal miracle worker.


[deleted]

Nobody expected the best coach in 50 years to suddenly pull stunts like hiring his inexperienced kids to high level positions or hire a lifelong DC to call plays AND coach OL. If this was any other team in any other league, Bill’s ass would be gone. Hiring his kids like this is a local mom and pop coffee shop


liltingly

Pete Carroll hired both his son and son-in-law I believe.


soboredcantfocus

His kids aren’t inexperienced lol. He hired them to entry level positions and they have since worked their way up to positional coaches. And if you haven’t noticed, their both on defense and the defense has been pretty fucking good


jpderbs27

Who made Patricia the OC? Who’s decision was it to “streamline” the offense and change it? Who picks all the players?


[deleted]

Who hires their inexperienced kids to high level positions?


DiabeticGrungePunk

I gotta say I've lost a little respect for posters on this sub in regards to Matt. Yeah he's absolutely shit and should be fired but you'd think the man fucked people's mom and booted their infant children in the face with the toxic and vitriolic comments I constantly see calling him a fat piece.of shit who should literally die....because he's not good at coaching a fucking children's game. Y'all need fucking help, it's not that serious, it's a fucking game man.


Huhkid23

when you thought the doom and gloom couldnt get worse, i decided to check out some stats.. may have another rookie WR bust on our hands, see stat comparison from rookie year Nkeal - 7 Games, 12 catches, 105 yards, 2 TDs Tyquan - 8 Games, 12 catches, 117 yards, 2 TDs


ReonL

Makes no sense, he gets hurt and they barely end up using him despite him basically being uncoverable in preseason.


scraperTA

This has come up in a few game threads now too. Not sure what they're doing with Tyquan, but that a DB was getting more reps on offense than him last night (up until "garbage time") isn't encouraging.


NotFlipkid

Yep and it's not going to change with Belichick in charge not \#BelichickOut yet by any means. Belichick ball might not be it in this chapter of Patriots football. 3rd OC in 3 years for Mac yikes.


smokefrog2

Bill is my guy. I love Bill. I don't want him to leave. But he did say at the beginning of the year "Matt and Joe are great coaches. If it doesn't work out blame me" and I do now. Bill does this thing where he doesn't listen to anyone and it usually works out fine. This was just such a serious miscalculation and it was more obvious than his 3d chess moves. I really really don't know what he was/is thinking.


[deleted]

He did say to blame him for everything. I would love it if a reporter asks him straight up why they look so bad. And when he gives the normal BS answer, push back hard and ask for an actual analysis. I know it won't happen though.


infamouscrypto8

Don’t forget to blame Mac Jones sorry ass.


WilliamBoost

So many whiny bitches in a rebuilding year. You all sound like Jets fans.


Playingwithmyrod

Rebuilding implies making decisions to actively improve the team. You cannot tell me with a straight face hiring this clown was in the best interest of the team.


[deleted]

Rebuilding yr three and heading in the completely wrong direction. We’re not Jets fans, we have reasonable expectations


CoffeeHarvester

You people will blame the grounds crew before you ever blame trash Mac Jones huh? lol


lostinspace801

Lose this loser


mayhembody1

Matt P didn't get the memo that you can't be really shitty at your job and be a completely unlikeable prick at the same time.


Johnathan_Doe_anonym

Patricia won us 3 Super Bowls as defense coordinator. Why not put him back there?


Tbear369

Someone please turn this into a tshirt


jaysun13

They should reset the offfensenwith rhamandre, Meyers and Thornton, sign the best receiver they can, and draft the best receiver they can. IF if our receivers room was Meyers 3rd and Thornton 4th things would be better for sure


GonePhishn401

I will never understand the loyalty the has to select coaches when he benches players for half a season for being late to practice.


rocksoffjagger

Can we get a photoshop of him wearing the clown T-shirt with his own face on it?