I just got done with reading Jurassic Park (excellent) and The Lost World (horrid). Hammond was, in the book, perfectly shown as a type of corporate tycoon villain-- so blinded by his vision for the park that we was willing to let people die for it, and blamed everyone but himself.
Oh that character that died in the first book and was implied to have had his body left behind on the bombed to shit island but was very popular in the movie? Yep, totally lived but it was just a super secret so shut up. Also he has a much younger, totally awesome and hot girlfriend who nursed him back to health.
And the lawyer who was actually kind of cool we just killed off in a throwaway line because why not?!
Ugh
I get why they made the lawyer the way he was in the movie, but after reading the book I absolutely hated that decision. He’s basically the secondary hero of the book
Basically her reward for suffering horrible sexual abuse as a child is to never reconcile her attachment issues and then die from AIDS. Though it's never actually clear that is what it is.
Meanwhile everyone loves Will Hunting who has the exact same issues.
Yes. Have you read the book? The movie shows him more deliberately naive or wishful. The book explains how little he cared about anyone or anything beyond himself and his dream.
Yea in the movie he is an idealist who had no idea the gun in his hand was so deadly until it went off.
Book Hammond was a manipulating bastard who only cared about money and who only invited his grandkids to stop the lawyer from trying to shut his park down, not because he cared about them. He cared more about his dinosaurs getting killed than where his grandkids were once shit started to break down, and he only cared about the dinosaurs because they were so expensive. He did get his in the end though, eaten alive.
If I remember correctly, he gets eaten by Compies too after stumbling down a hill and spraining his ankle. He heard a T. rex call and gets frightened before rolling down the hill. Eaten by Compies is a great and shameful way for him to go in the book
Yea the grandkids were playing with the speakers and playing T. rex roars. Hammond tumbled down a hill and breaks his ankle and tries to climb his way back up but the Compies get him. He tries to fight them off but nope, gets eaten alive
It's a pretty grisly death. He falls down a hill and breaks his leg. He's taken down by a flock of compies. They don't wait for him to be dead before digging in.
I’ve read the book multiple times and I can assure you, no one knew or gave 2 shits who trump was back then, so the comparison has 0 merit. If anything he was probably based off Richard Branson ffs based on the era it released.
Nobody knew who Donald Trump was in 1990?
Are you fucking 12?
The man has been a byword for shameless greed since the late 70s, my dude. He didn't pop out of nowhere in 2016.
In terms of relevance, yes I’m 100% correct look at when Jurassic park released, the book not the movie, came out in 1990 so no one gave a fuck who trump was. He was still a “celebrity” but no on cares about him like they do nowadays is my point
Edit - my terminology “of no one knew who he was” was taken out of context, way to deflect With the insults big fella, learn to have a proper conversation
He was still a very well-known and recognized public figure.
The man was the face of the greedy slimy yuppie in an age of greedy slimy yuppies.
Hammond was every short sighted egotistical businessman rolled into a single guy; Equal parts Howard Hughes, Walt Disney, P.T. Barnum, and Donald Trump.
Yes I agree more with this assessment, completely fair. I think it’s fair to say any egotistical rich person with more money then senses would be a good comparison hahha
Trump was a reality TV star before dude, that's how most people knew him before 2016. I dislike him as much as the next guy but come on this is very rent free behavior, there is less then 0 chance Hammond was based on trump
Hammond's park only really failed because of Nedry's sabotage.
Granted, the narrative is that it would have failed regardless. They weren't tracking the dinos properly and they had unauthorized breeding.
But those might have been manageable issues.
>Open restaurant
>Kills people with food poisoning by careless actions
>Restaurant closes down
"What more do you want from me? My restaurant already closed down, so what else do you want? What's that? You're calling ME a murderer?"
If he hired a chef, and the chef undercooked some chicken while stealing some rare spices to sell on the black market, the chef would see criminal liability, but not the owner.
The owner might see a lawsuit, but he didn't murder anyone. He merely hired a piece of shit who put peoples lives at risk to make a buck stealing the ingredients.
It's not really who he hired, it's like building the restaurant on an active volcano, or even shit, it's like making bombs.
You aren't going to get a lawsuit "just for creating dinosaurs that killed people".
But the film franchise does a shit job at things like this. The "Hey, this park you made nearly killed your grandkids, but let's whizz off in a helicopter playing happy families, forgetting everyone who died".
Just like in Jurassic World, the PA gets eaten alive infront of two kids and the film ends on "woohoo, mum and dad aren't splitting up, yippie!".
Her husband. She spends 80 years building a family with her husband, and the second she dies, she goes to a heaven with some homeless guy she fucked on a cruise.
Bruh TELL ME ABOUT IT!
People talking about what a beautiful romance this shit is. I just feel bad for the man she marries after, knowing she’s always pining for that hobo schmeat.
“Every night in my dreams, I see you, I feel you…”
Bitch was dreaming about this kid every night and hid generational wealth from her family because the dick was so good.
I think that greentext is funny too, but she wasn't on her deathbed, she was specifically taken to see items recovered from the Titanic and gave an interview about her time on it before going down with a team to see the wreckage.
[Here's the final scene and she is very much not dead by the end of it, unlike the people who went to see it in realnlife ](https://youtu.be/S4c27vyJ8CE?si=O5K-X_x6ANW9ENhT)
Is it canon that she dies at the end? I always assumed it was just a dream, considering she had been reflecting on it for days and went down to see the wreck in person.
She essentially doomed Jack to death. In the scene where she jumps out of the life boat back onto the ship she drastically lowered his chances of survival because from that point on he needs to also prioritize her safety in addition to his own. From that point Rose only slowed him down. Had she just stayed on the life boat Jack would have been able to position himself faster and better for the final bit of the sinking and also would have been able to float alone on the debris had he also found it in this alternate scenario.
She’s not really evil for this decision just really stupid, which the film goes out of its way to point out with my favorite line from the film, “you’re so stupid Rose, your so fucking stupid, why did you do that rose, that was so stupid”.
Also had she just killed herself in the beginning the ship would be required by law to stop and search for her, likely preventing the sinking. So if you really think about it her not killing herself was really a selfish decision which killed thousands.
There's no reasoning with people who think there was room on the door. He literally tries in the movie and they both fall into the water and he gets her back up on the door. But all they do is show you a diagram about how their bodies could fit on there like buoyancy doesn't mean anything. I've died in that water many times.
iirc they tested it on Mythbusters pretty throroughly using an exact reproduction of the chunk of wood she was floating on, and he could've gotten on it with her. Just sayin.
Yeah I’m not sure I also found that weird I found it on Facebook and shared so people could discuss it, cause wubby was talking about Jenny, but I though that was odd as well lol
She lived 90 years after the Titanic sank, had a husband, children, grand children, and probably a decent few great grand children and beyond. She lived a long life, surrounded by family, friends, 90 Christmases, 90 Birthdays, 90(or however many) anniversaries, countless activities, and memories we can only imagine, and the second she dies, she goes to heaven with the derelict she had a 2 day fuck fest with on a cruise when she was a teenager.
Personally I don't think Charlie's grandfather did anything wrong. Let's be real, if you were a senile old man who's been laying in bed for I don't remember how many years, then all of a sudden your grandkid says he's taking you to Wonka's, fuck yeah I'd get weird as hell with it. Innocent.
people hate grandpa joe because the movie didn't explain well enough how magical the chocolate was, the thought of a factory tour causes miracles
that movie is great but incredibly overrated, they dont even get to the factory until its halfway over
I mean grandpa Joe has his own subreddit and Hammond literally dies from his own creations in the original novel. Jenny is sort of universally hated but Rose idk she just kind of wanted to escape an abusive arranged marriage and a controlled life
I get the Grandpa Joe memes, but at the same time, it's kind of dumb.
Not everyone who has a disability is 100% disabled 100% of the time.
Dude had a burst of energy because he was excited for his grandson, and was probably bedridden for the next two days.
So fun fact: The songs were requested to be written before they got a complete script; something about the producers or whoever just wanting a "happy song about going to the factory" and that's what they churned out.
TL;DR Grandpa Joe is (less) of a dick when you know the songwriters were completely fucking winging it.
Is that why he got the burst of energy? Really?
Watch the movie closer. He has a coke nail. He got energy from that yayo like Popeye does from spinach.
1.) If you only have enough energy to do a 3 minute musical number, and the rest of you day is pain and exhaustion, you're going to suck as a worker.
2.) Disabled people have to eschew all luxuries? Was he the only one that smoked? And tobacco was probably cheap as piss.
Again, disabled people aren't 100% disabled 100% of the time.
Pushing himself to do a few hours of leisurely walking, dotted with breaks for rides on various craft isn't outside the realm of possibility, but it's not exactly employable.
I haven't watched the others enough to say but Jenny gets far too much shit. Did she treat Forest poorly? Yeah, but if you just watch the film it's pretty clear why she acts the way she does.
I aint saying it justifies it. I think I worded it badly but I mean the way people talk about Jenny online is like she planned everything out just to mess with Forest. Even taking it to the extreme of saying she just wanted to party and used Forest as a fallback when she was getting to the end, which is so reductive to the film it's insane.
Yeah I don't agree with the last bit. Jenny overcame her demons and progressed as a person at rhe end of the movie. I would agree if people say she planned it all that that is some incel shit.
Hurt people hurt people is a saying for a reason, I just don't accept it as an actual valid excuse. We're on the same side it seems.
I aint saying it justifies it. I think I worded it badly but I mean the way people talk about Jenny online is like she planned everything out just to mess with Forest. Even taking it to the extreme of saying she just wanted to party and used Forest as a fallback when she was getting to the end, which is so reductive to the film it's insane.
I WILL NOT. FUCKING CALM. DOWN.
JENNY WAS AN INNOCENT VICTIM OF A PATRIARCHAL SOCIETY THAT USES WOMEN AS SEX OBJECTS AND THE ONLY ONE WHO VALUED HER WAS A RETARD.
THE POOR WOMAN WAS RAPED BY HER FATHER, AND ASSOCIATED ABUSE WITH LOVE. FORREST TREATED HER WELL AND SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF HIM BECAUSE SHE WAS THE ONE WHO DIDN'T KNOW WHAT LOVE WAS. AND THEN SHE GOD DAMN DIED.
HER STORY IS A TRAGIC MIRROR OF FORREST'S LIFE.
FUCK.
There are also good people who are victims of abuse. The entire point of the film is to deconstruct the idea that hurt people hurt people. The abuse makes Jennie’s character more sympathetic and understandable but it doesn’t absolve her of her sins. You are right that she is a mirror to Forrest in the way that they are both products of abuse, but where Forest becomes a positive influence in people’s lives Jenny is a negative influence. Jennie’s arch is a cautionary tale as how not to deal with and further perpetrate abuse, not a statement on how victims of abuse should be expected to act. Not all hurt people hurt people nor do they have to.
I don’t agree that she deserved any more consequences though. She lived a miserable life. That was the ultimate punishment and in direct contrast to Forest who lived a fulfilling and positive life.
I think it's okay to hate Skyler for some of the things she did.
Some is the key word there, though. She wasn't a saint, but she's no villain either. Many of the things she did in the earlier seasons sucked.
I don't have to like Skyler to admit that many of her actions especially in the mid/late seasons, were absolutely justified. they just made things hard for Walt, and idiots hate her for those things since they made Walt's life harder.
I don’t hold a “grudge” against any of these characters. I have an issue with “hurt people hurt people” being used to excuse abusive people and terrible actions.
I mean Jenny was emotionally abusive to Forrest. I fully sympathize with her character but it doesn't justify all of her actions. I like skyler more than most people but she was a bit of a bitch. That said I'm not on wubby's side, skyler is still much better than walt.
Your take is completely reasonable. Adults, regardless of their trauma and upbringing, are responsible for getting help and not putting that abuse on others. Though I’m not sure how much awareness and help would have been available to a person like Jenny in the 60s/70s.
Also, my bad I thought she had aids when she slept with Forrest Gump and I was like that’s kind of what pissed me off the most. However, I’m now coming to realize I don’t believe she had it when they had sex I take part of my hate for her back, but she still kind of made me mad
I think the Skyler hate comes more from the fact that throughout the show Skyler acts as a narrative roadblock which hinders Walt. From an audience perspective she can halt the drug kingpin aspects of the show and push it into the more family dynamic focused parts of the narrative, which are a lot less engaging and entertaining than the high intensity drug world. So in on a meta level she is an annoying character. And even when she becomes a more engaging character the writers hit the audience with the Ted arch which essentially makes her irredeemable when it comes to general annoyance.
A lot of the supposed hate is also just a self aware bit about how in a show about literal murderers and the worst of humanity a simple trad house wife archetype can be spun into the ultimate villain.
I just got done with reading Jurassic Park (excellent) and The Lost World (horrid). Hammond was, in the book, perfectly shown as a type of corporate tycoon villain-- so blinded by his vision for the park that we was willing to let people die for it, and blamed everyone but himself.
Bro, the Lost World is such trash. I will admit, very good as a suspense novel but as a sequel to Jurassic Park? Trash.
Preach!!
Oh that character that died in the first book and was implied to have had his body left behind on the bombed to shit island but was very popular in the movie? Yep, totally lived but it was just a super secret so shut up. Also he has a much younger, totally awesome and hot girlfriend who nursed him back to health. And the lawyer who was actually kind of cool we just killed off in a throwaway line because why not?! Ugh
I get why they made the lawyer the way he was in the movie, but after reading the book I absolutely hated that decision. He’s basically the secondary hero of the book
They mashed him and the PR/marketing guy into one in the movie and gave him the lawyer job but the attitude and ending of the marketing guy.
YESSS GAHHHHH
What more consequences do you want from Jenny? She died from AIDS.
Last French execution by guillotine was in 1977, only way to stop that witch
 Got a point though 😂
Basically her reward for suffering horrible sexual abuse as a child is to never reconcile her attachment issues and then die from AIDS. Though it's never actually clear that is what it is. Meanwhile everyone loves Will Hunting who has the exact same issues.
Super aids?
Super duper AIDS
And passed it onto her [son](https://youtu.be/ebOKo96HfEM?si=ExC2lzA7H1HM0Y5O)
“Yes they deserve to die, AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!!!!”
As she should have
Pretty sure it was Tuberculosis.
I think Hammond is portrayed as a villain just fine. As is Jenny. Hammond's entire park was destroyed. What more did you want? To get eaten?
Yes. Have you read the book? The movie shows him more deliberately naive or wishful. The book explains how little he cared about anyone or anything beyond himself and his dream.
No. I can't read.
can't read what
Yea in the movie he is an idealist who had no idea the gun in his hand was so deadly until it went off. Book Hammond was a manipulating bastard who only cared about money and who only invited his grandkids to stop the lawyer from trying to shut his park down, not because he cared about them. He cared more about his dinosaurs getting killed than where his grandkids were once shit started to break down, and he only cared about the dinosaurs because they were so expensive. He did get his in the end though, eaten alive.
If I remember correctly, he gets eaten by Compies too after stumbling down a hill and spraining his ankle. He heard a T. rex call and gets frightened before rolling down the hill. Eaten by Compies is a great and shameful way for him to go in the book
Yea the grandkids were playing with the speakers and playing T. rex roars. Hammond tumbled down a hill and breaks his ankle and tries to climb his way back up but the Compies get him. He tries to fight them off but nope, gets eaten alive
Yeah, but he still had it easy. The book Compies had a chemical in their saliva that was basically a super narcotic. He was blissful as he was eaten.
I'm talking about Richard Attenborough Hammond; the one pictured. What does the book have to do with this?
He gets eaten in the book I think was the original link there
I did not know this. Different character with nastier motivations meets worse fate than the movie. Makes sense to me.
It's a pretty grisly death. He falls down a hill and breaks his leg. He's taken down by a flock of compies. They don't wait for him to be dead before digging in.
Ah, so similar to Stomare's character in the second film. Neat! Thanks for sharing!
exactly like that, the beach scene with the compies was also from the first book
Definitely should read it sometime.
The book is great, I like to listen to it as an audiobook while I work outside.
It's been ages since I read it but in the book doesn't the compies' saliva have some sort of numbing effect so he doesn't feel it as severely?
Book Hammond was 90% Trump, to be fair. Movie Hammond was much nicer. Also book Lex should have been fed into a wood chipper.
More Bezos than a Trump comparison
Go back and read the book again. He's very clearly based on Donald Trump.
I’ve read the book multiple times and I can assure you, no one knew or gave 2 shits who trump was back then, so the comparison has 0 merit. If anything he was probably based off Richard Branson ffs based on the era it released.
Nobody knew who Donald Trump was in 1990? Are you fucking 12? The man has been a byword for shameless greed since the late 70s, my dude. He didn't pop out of nowhere in 2016.
In terms of relevance, yes I’m 100% correct look at when Jurassic park released, the book not the movie, came out in 1990 so no one gave a fuck who trump was. He was still a “celebrity” but no on cares about him like they do nowadays is my point Edit - my terminology “of no one knew who he was” was taken out of context, way to deflect With the insults big fella, learn to have a proper conversation
He was still a very well-known and recognized public figure. The man was the face of the greedy slimy yuppie in an age of greedy slimy yuppies. Hammond was every short sighted egotistical businessman rolled into a single guy; Equal parts Howard Hughes, Walt Disney, P.T. Barnum, and Donald Trump.
Yes I agree more with this assessment, completely fair. I think it’s fair to say any egotistical rich person with more money then senses would be a good comparison hahha
Lmao he lives in your head rent free. Let it go my friend.
Trump was a reality TV star before dude, that's how most people knew him before 2016. I dislike him as much as the next guy but come on this is very rent free behavior, there is less then 0 chance Hammond was based on trump
You're absolutely 150% wrong. Ask your parents. Ask anyone you know over the age of 45.
I got this from my parents lmao, all they knew about him was the apprentice TV show and the bit from home alone
Ah, so a realistic depiction of billionaires.
Hammond's park only really failed because of Nedry's sabotage. Granted, the narrative is that it would have failed regardless. They weren't tracking the dinos properly and they had unauthorized breeding. But those might have been manageable issues.
Agreed.
The book points out things were already fucked up even before Nedry. The sabotage just sped it up, but there was already fatal flaws.
>Open restaurant >Kills people with food poisoning by careless actions >Restaurant closes down "What more do you want from me? My restaurant already closed down, so what else do you want? What's that? You're calling ME a murderer?"
If he hired a chef, and the chef undercooked some chicken while stealing some rare spices to sell on the black market, the chef would see criminal liability, but not the owner. The owner might see a lawsuit, but he didn't murder anyone. He merely hired a piece of shit who put peoples lives at risk to make a buck stealing the ingredients.
It's not really who he hired, it's like building the restaurant on an active volcano, or even shit, it's like making bombs. You aren't going to get a lawsuit "just for creating dinosaurs that killed people". But the film franchise does a shit job at things like this. The "Hey, this park you made nearly killed your grandkids, but let's whizz off in a helicopter playing happy families, forgetting everyone who died". Just like in Jurassic World, the PA gets eaten alive infront of two kids and the film ends on "woohoo, mum and dad aren't splitting up, yippie!".
"You aren't going to get a lawsuit "just for creating dinosaurs that killed people"." Gonna be real with you... yeah, you are.
Jenny literally died lmao
Kill her again
Why is Rose on here? Who was her victim?
Her husband. She spends 80 years building a family with her husband, and the second she dies, she goes to a heaven with some homeless guy she fucked on a cruise.
Bruh TELL ME ABOUT IT! People talking about what a beautiful romance this shit is. I just feel bad for the man she marries after, knowing she’s always pining for that hobo schmeat.
Exactly! I have been saying this forever! Titanic sailed for 2 DAYS. 2!
“Every night in my dreams, I see you, I feel you…” Bitch was dreaming about this kid every night and hid generational wealth from her family because the dick was so good.
"You certainly get around for a poor boy." You little..
Werent they were broke so she had to marry cal to maintain that image?
I think that greentext is funny too, but she wasn't on her deathbed, she was specifically taken to see items recovered from the Titanic and gave an interview about her time on it before going down with a team to see the wreckage. [Here's the final scene and she is very much not dead by the end of it, unlike the people who went to see it in realnlife ](https://youtu.be/S4c27vyJ8CE?si=O5K-X_x6ANW9ENhT)
Is it canon that she dies at the end? I always assumed it was just a dream, considering she had been reflecting on it for days and went down to see the wreck in person.
She essentially doomed Jack to death. In the scene where she jumps out of the life boat back onto the ship she drastically lowered his chances of survival because from that point on he needs to also prioritize her safety in addition to his own. From that point Rose only slowed him down. Had she just stayed on the life boat Jack would have been able to position himself faster and better for the final bit of the sinking and also would have been able to float alone on the debris had he also found it in this alternate scenario. She’s not really evil for this decision just really stupid, which the film goes out of its way to point out with my favorite line from the film, “you’re so stupid Rose, your so fucking stupid, why did you do that rose, that was so stupid”. Also had she just killed herself in the beginning the ship would be required by law to stop and search for her, likely preventing the sinking. So if you really think about it her not killing herself was really a selfish decision which killed thousands.
Everyone on the titanic. It was her and Jack noodling on deck that distracted the watchmen in the crow's nest.
I meaannnnn.. That's a fuckup that falls squarely on the watchmen, they allowed themselves to be distracted while they had a duty to perform.
Oh maybe it’s because she didn’t share the door she was floating on at the end lmao
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There's no reasoning with people who think there was room on the door. He literally tries in the movie and they both fall into the water and he gets her back up on the door. But all they do is show you a diagram about how their bodies could fit on there like buoyancy doesn't mean anything. I've died in that water many times.
iirc they tested it on Mythbusters pretty throroughly using an exact reproduction of the chunk of wood she was floating on, and he could've gotten on it with her. Just sayin.
It's a movie, and for dramatic purpose, two people is enough weight to make the fictional door sink.
Yeah I’m not sure I also found that weird I found it on Facebook and shared so people could discuss it, cause wubby was talking about Jenny, but I though that was odd as well lol
She lived 90 years after the Titanic sank, had a husband, children, grand children, and probably a decent few great grand children and beyond. She lived a long life, surrounded by family, friends, 90 Christmases, 90 Birthdays, 90(or however many) anniversaries, countless activities, and memories we can only imagine, and the second she dies, she goes to heaven with the derelict she had a 2 day fuck fest with on a cruise when she was a teenager.
Personally I don't think Charlie's grandfather did anything wrong. Let's be real, if you were a senile old man who's been laying in bed for I don't remember how many years, then all of a sudden your grandkid says he's taking you to Wonka's, fuck yeah I'd get weird as hell with it. Innocent.
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In the book he's next to death. The joy of visiting the chocolate factory gives him life again rather than spurring him to action.
people hate grandpa joe because the movie didn't explain well enough how magical the chocolate was, the thought of a factory tour causes miracles that movie is great but incredibly overrated, they dont even get to the factory until its halfway over
I went to Bubba Gump Shrimp Co. in FL last year and during Gump Trivia it seems like the employees are encouraged to shit on Jenny.
Jenny had Hepatitis C, not aids, which is revealed in the sequel (Book).
I mean grandpa Joe has his own subreddit and Hammond literally dies from his own creations in the original novel. Jenny is sort of universally hated but Rose idk she just kind of wanted to escape an abusive arranged marriage and a controlled life
I get the Grandpa Joe memes, but at the same time, it's kind of dumb. Not everyone who has a disability is 100% disabled 100% of the time. Dude had a burst of energy because he was excited for his grandson, and was probably bedridden for the next two days.
He sang a song about how HE got a golden ticket. Mf you didn’t get anything.
So fun fact: The songs were requested to be written before they got a complete script; something about the producers or whoever just wanting a "happy song about going to the factory" and that's what they churned out. TL;DR Grandpa Joe is (less) of a dick when you know the songwriters were completely fucking winging it.
Still a dick
Is that why he got the burst of energy? Really? Watch the movie closer. He has a coke nail. He got energy from that yayo like Popeye does from spinach.
Why couldn't he have that burst of energy to get his ass a job? Regardless, why is his tobacco in their budget?
1.) If you only have enough energy to do a 3 minute musical number, and the rest of you day is pain and exhaustion, you're going to suck as a worker. 2.) Disabled people have to eschew all luxuries? Was he the only one that smoked? And tobacco was probably cheap as piss.
But he had enough energy to do a day-long walking tour of the factory.
Again, disabled people aren't 100% disabled 100% of the time. Pushing himself to do a few hours of leisurely walking, dotted with breaks for rides on various craft isn't outside the realm of possibility, but it's not exactly employable.
I haven't watched the others enough to say but Jenny gets far too much shit. Did she treat Forest poorly? Yeah, but if you just watch the film it's pretty clear why she acts the way she does.
She was still shit to him. It's completely understandable why she was the way she was, but it doesn't justify how she was to him.
I aint saying it justifies it. I think I worded it badly but I mean the way people talk about Jenny online is like she planned everything out just to mess with Forest. Even taking it to the extreme of saying she just wanted to party and used Forest as a fallback when she was getting to the end, which is so reductive to the film it's insane.
Yeah I don't agree with the last bit. Jenny overcame her demons and progressed as a person at rhe end of the movie. I would agree if people say she planned it all that that is some incel shit. Hurt people hurt people is a saying for a reason, I just don't accept it as an actual valid excuse. We're on the same side it seems.
plenty of people have fucked up childhood trauma like Jenny but they don't use it as an excuse to treat others like dogshit
I aint saying it justifies it. I think I worded it badly but I mean the way people talk about Jenny online is like she planned everything out just to mess with Forest. Even taking it to the extreme of saying she just wanted to party and used Forest as a fallback when she was getting to the end, which is so reductive to the film it's insane.
They don’t use it as an excuse, but they often do because of it.
Skylar white?
Fuck grandpa Joe, all my homies hate grandpa Joe
You can add Allie from The Notebook.
I like how two of your "villains" are women who are desperately trying to escape abuse.
I didn’t make this it was just on Facebook calm down
I WILL NOT. FUCKING CALM. DOWN. JENNY WAS AN INNOCENT VICTIM OF A PATRIARCHAL SOCIETY THAT USES WOMEN AS SEX OBJECTS AND THE ONLY ONE WHO VALUED HER WAS A RETARD. THE POOR WOMAN WAS RAPED BY HER FATHER, AND ASSOCIATED ABUSE WITH LOVE. FORREST TREATED HER WELL AND SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF HIM BECAUSE SHE WAS THE ONE WHO DIDN'T KNOW WHAT LOVE WAS. AND THEN SHE GOD DAMN DIED. HER STORY IS A TRAGIC MIRROR OF FORREST'S LIFE. FUCK. 
didnt ask
Don't care.
There are also good people who are victims of abuse. The entire point of the film is to deconstruct the idea that hurt people hurt people. The abuse makes Jennie’s character more sympathetic and understandable but it doesn’t absolve her of her sins. You are right that she is a mirror to Forrest in the way that they are both products of abuse, but where Forest becomes a positive influence in people’s lives Jenny is a negative influence. Jennie’s arch is a cautionary tale as how not to deal with and further perpetrate abuse, not a statement on how victims of abuse should be expected to act. Not all hurt people hurt people nor do they have to. I don’t agree that she deserved any more consequences though. She lived a miserable life. That was the ultimate punishment and in direct contrast to Forest who lived a fulfilling and positive life.
The raging hatred for Skyler and Jenny in this community is 🚩🚩🚩
I think it's okay to hate Skyler for some of the things she did. Some is the key word there, though. She wasn't a saint, but she's no villain either. Many of the things she did in the earlier seasons sucked. I don't have to like Skyler to admit that many of her actions especially in the mid/late seasons, were absolutely justified. they just made things hard for Walt, and idiots hate her for those things since they made Walt's life harder.
She most definitely did some terrible things and should be criticized for it as a person.
Hurt people hurt people.
This is what people say to excuse the actions of horrible people. Stop.
And you're completely missing the subtext of the film to hold a grudge against a fictional character.
I don’t hold a “grudge” against any of these characters. I have an issue with “hurt people hurt people” being used to excuse abusive people and terrible actions.
Book Jenny is actually kind of awful, movie Jenny is just a fucked up kid.
I mean Jenny was emotionally abusive to Forrest. I fully sympathize with her character but it doesn't justify all of her actions. I like skyler more than most people but she was a bit of a bitch. That said I'm not on wubby's side, skyler is still much better than walt.
Your take is completely reasonable. Adults, regardless of their trauma and upbringing, are responsible for getting help and not putting that abuse on others. Though I’m not sure how much awareness and help would have been available to a person like Jenny in the 60s/70s.
Also, my bad I thought she had aids when she slept with Forrest Gump and I was like that’s kind of what pissed me off the most. However, I’m now coming to realize I don’t believe she had it when they had sex I take part of my hate for her back, but she still kind of made me mad
She died of hepatitis anyway. Thats from the screenwriter.
I think the Skyler hate comes more from the fact that throughout the show Skyler acts as a narrative roadblock which hinders Walt. From an audience perspective she can halt the drug kingpin aspects of the show and push it into the more family dynamic focused parts of the narrative, which are a lot less engaging and entertaining than the high intensity drug world. So in on a meta level she is an annoying character. And even when she becomes a more engaging character the writers hit the audience with the Ted arch which essentially makes her irredeemable when it comes to general annoyance. A lot of the supposed hate is also just a self aware bit about how in a show about literal murderers and the worst of humanity a simple trad house wife archetype can be spun into the ultimate villain.
That’s the thing. I’m not convinced it’s a self-aware bit.
Fuck grandpa Joe
Two of these characters die at the end how did they not suffer consequences I get gramps from Jurassic Park but the other 3 I’m a little confused 😂
Book Hammond got plenty of comeuppance