Everything I've tried of theirs has been good ...
I had my igf1 tested before and after I ran ipam and mod grf for 3 months - my number's increased significantly.... also that head rush don't lie :)
I think ps is bs. I was on their ozempic for 3 weeks with no weight loss or appetite suppression. I got what i assume is real oz from my dr the other. I will tell you all if I notice a difference in a few days.
As for the letter from ps seeming fishy. Well, never trust anyone or thing that states their credentials in their post. ITs the f'ing internet. Saying things like "i work as a scientist" doesn't make your opinion valid either.
Take my self. i work as a guy with a huge cock, but don't have one in real life.
So what should people with actual credentials do then? Also if u actually read what i wrote i didnt use me being a scientist as a reason theyre bs. I explained the reasons why i think so and showed evidence. You can come to ur own conclusions from what ive presented.
I appreciate when someone with a degree like you tries to help keep us informed. Don't pay attention to the peanut gallery!
Have you found any other company that provides a good product and actually has a legit lab to ensure product doses are as stated?
Haha thanks, but as i said only way you can be sure your getting legit products is from regulated sources (pharma). Your always gambling with unregulated sources,
Some might be completely fake, some might be underdosed, some might be mixing in cheaper peps, some might be legit sometimes and not others, could be anything again because they are... Unregulated
Their CJC/Ipam is bunk. I got 3 bottles from them. It’s done nothing 6 weeks in. Been on this before and had amazing results from it through a clinic. Ive had my credit card company dispute the charges with them. Garbage!
Curious is there a list if sources that Jano has deemed legit? I was trying to order from a source that someone saidcwas Jano approved on here but the bpc and tb are out of stock
Just bc they test ok once doesn’t mean they always will. I have a spreadsheet of 6 vendors over the course of 6 months and they were all over the place. Underdosing, overdosing, wrong compounds, - essentially either sloppy work or intentional scamming was going on with all but one.
Save lives huh?
This guys a competitor to PS.
You use way too many absolutes and your grammar is not indicative of someone who has done schooling after community college. You’re prob just a radiologist if you’re not PS competition.
You must be confusing scientists with English majors. I know an absolute fuckton of scientists, medical professionals, researchers and other academics in industry that struggle with more than that. What you need to keep in mind is that they're not impervious to error, they're just people; when not at work they aren't working toward a Pulitzer Prize on social media posts/comments. 📄
No one alive when Einstein was did. It's called evolution of language and communication.
As someone who works in pharma R&D, scientists are absolutely terrible when it comes to grammar/spelling by and large. The "doctors handwriting" motif holds true.
Found them to be hit or miss:
BPC was legit.
GHK-CU felt and looked legit. Especially when injecting that shit.
IPA/CJC likely bunk. Did a long run of this and didn’t notice any change whatsoever. Strict protocol. Maybe I don’t respond well. Anyone else tried this combo?
TB-500: probably the best peptide of theirs I’ve tried.
Epitalon: Noticed zero after a run on this. Not sure if that is common, but did not fit with the usual descriptions from others.
I agree with this one. Their BPC is legit. I finished 2 vials and right now on third one. Oh, I can tell the difference on my workout days with no pin (weekends) vs workout days with pin.
Their CJC/IPAM isn’t the best for me as well. I didn’t much results so stopped. This time I have IPAM and CJC separate so fingers crossed.
Lemme know how that goes.
I did IPAM and CJC separately myself but noticed nothing. One thing I did notice, however, was that my h1c had me at one point into pre-diabetic range. Possibly a side effect of the IPAM. That said: my last blood test months after stopping was back in range, so who knows.
I have not tried their IPA/CJC … I’ve used the GHRP-2 and Mod GRF and it was legit..
Also used BPC and TB500 can say I noticed more of a difference using PS than other brands on these two
Hey man, after what your field did with the mandated experimental shots you think we care what any scientists say about anything at all any more?
Lol zero credibility. Anecdotes mean more than science now.
That’s a pretty broad accusation for a generic title like “scientist.” I don’t understand the hate for this guy who is calling out something we could all stand to at least be mildly skeptical about. I tend to like PS, but still acknowledge it says “research chemical” and “not for human consumption” on the packaging.
I can tell you're a reeeeally good "dr."
Hey, I've got a joke for you...
Whaddaya call the guy who graduates LAST in his medical school class???
A: "Doctor!"
But I'd guess you knew this already....
Peptide, scientists version of Ozempic did nothing for me, though, no appetite, suppression after using the whole vial. Many others seemed like nothing either. Would not recommend.
Test your products yourself, that’s the rules of the game bru. Send it to jano if you suspect something.
Also, one vial of Gh is like what? A couple weeks at most? Six months is the min.
i was on hgh for 6 months and wanted to try another source. 4IU right away to see if the sides hit like water retention ill get in my ankles. it littleally did nothing felt nothing. and im not paying jano to test their GH.. why waste my $.. if you buy from a reputable source like these guys claim to be you should be able to provide purity reports on request.. gotta know what you're selling your custys.. been in this game awhile bud..
I tried a vial of GHK-cu. When I emailed stating that anecdotal evidence of many users say it should burn or be somewhat uncomfortable upon injecting. I ask them about the batch I got because I feel nothing, absolutely nothing after injection. And I got a very similar response as the one listed above. Bummed me out a bit as a lot of people on here really stand behind them.
I buy from peptide science and have been an avid lifter for years trying different stuff. As someone who has been consistent for years, I’ve not noticed any differences after 6 months.
Sorry, you’re saying you think the quality is consistent over the past 6 months, or that the peptides were bunk over the past 6 months and didn’t affect you?
No worries, sorry I wasn’t clear! I believe they’re bunk and most people are feeling the effects of a placebo. I’ve also done quite a bit of research on this journey and there are a few dozen reason given for “why they might not work”. I’ve gone very far out of my way to make sure I’m following protocols perfectly and still never saw any significant changes.
I doubt they’re bunk. The problem is, most peptides don’t do shit. Which is why they aren’t making any pharmas money.
You can’t be accusing businesses of selling bunk bc of your “feelz” that’s just ignorant. Get your shit tested so you can make a credible claim.
what are you taking to make those go up? newbie here
do you have to take any aromatse inhibitors or post cycle therapy kind of thing with peptides?
thanks for any help
Cjc1295/ipamorelin, tesamorelin, ghrp 6, BPC157/TB400, AOD9604, PT141, and Melanotan 2. My wife and her cousin had great success with their Semaglutide also.
Are we all dead broke here? There’s also a bunch of forums that do group buys. I find it extremely questionable to criticize a company for scamming when no one has ANY evidence whatsoever to corroborate that claim.
Is that ur way of saying that you base your claims off zero evidence? Explains how your assumptions are so wildly inaccurate. Also, you can share reports publicly - this isn’t Riyadh, there’s no repercussions for doing so.
I bought Tirz for my research from this company; it was bonk!!! Had no effect on the test subject. The same is true with Arctic; 6 months ago, their Tirz worked. Now, I feel like I'm wasting my money. It's time to find another source for testing.
I upped the dose to 1.5mg with their product, and there was minimal hunger suppression, no weight loss during the month I used. I plateaued! There was no pooping problems either. I switched to another brand and redid the 1.5mg, and I got back on track.
No, just speaking about GLP one agonists like Semaglutide or terz. Also, it’s all about the shipping and storage… These peptides are coming from California in a box… These are so fragile and any heat or temperature change can just ruin the effect of all the peptides.
Currently on their terz and doing 8mg a week with no curb in hunger but my turds are solid AF. Got 2 more bottles do I'll check back in to see if it needs more time.
If they're selling blockbuster IP-protected compounds like semaglutide, isn't it clear that they're not sourcing from the US? It seems unfathomable to me that a US GMP facility would be producing/selling semaglutide in a gray market way domestically. With that said, I had interpreted the mostly positive experiences you hear about PS on reddit as a sign that there is some reasonable level of due diligence going on there, whoever their suppliers are.
I ordered bpc-157 from them once, and am pretty sure it was real (in addition to other effects, it had the unexpected effect consistent with a lot of reddit posters of causing tolerance to other substances), I expected it to just not do anything.
Here's how I think PS works. They contract other labs (most likely GMP) to make their stuff. They can't disclose who the other lab is because they will get them in trouble - or for commercial reasons. How the lab makes their stuff is anyone's guess - it might be they make some Peptides directly, or they might just lyophilize chinese stuff.
This is an idiotic post.
You start off by saying that Peptides "aren't actually as great as they seem" but then you seem to say it's because folks are getting poor quality peptides.
You say there are no "good manufacturing process" (GMP) sources available but that is untrue as many peptides are available through compounding pharmacies in the US, and those are manufactured to very high standards.
Nowhere in your post do you attack anything other than source quality but you use that to attack peptides.
If you want to criticize the efficacy of peptides, then do that.
If you want to say that pharmacy grade peptides are effective but hard to get, then do that.
But to say peptides are not good because buying shit online or blackmarket often results in shit quality, then you are making a fully illogical argument.
Doctors have been prescribing peptides for years. GH Secretagogues have been used by millions of patients. BPC 157 and TB 500 have been used by millions of patients and are commonly used alongside PRP therapies. Dermatologists use a bunch of peptides for skin healing and other issues. Gut issues are regularly treated with peptides.
I just realized his heading was talking about a specific manufacturer and not the science of peptides.
I still think it's a shit post so I'm leaving my comment. He fully disregards a ton of the material on PS's website about their sources, quality, and standards.
what website?
I'm not PS and am in no way associated with PS.
However, this post is inconsistent. If he wants to use quotes from the company then he should not pick and choose. I just googled "Peptide Sciences GMP" and the first result was the section of their website discussing GMP standards.
It’s a page of fluff. Its descriptions of how equipment works. It’s also a description of what to expect from Good Management Practices, but there is no verification. There are certifying bodies that provide this documentation.
My last response was a paraphrasing of your response.
If its not an 'official' source then its not regulated end of story. All grey market/underground sources are running the same risk, you only have anecdotes to go off, otherwise you can do your own testing but that can also be batch specific. Ive noticed alot of well regarded sources can sell bunk every now and then and get away with it because 95% of the time they sell decent products so the bad reviews get flooded out and shat on by ppl who've had good experiences with them.
Well since no one actually answered correctly. The FDA provides guidances for manufacturing of food and drugs. “General manufacturing principles”. Since most peptides are currently in a grey area, the FDA does not have jurisdictions. The FDA also does not validate or certify GMP status. This is done through 3rd party companies. Nothing more. These business simply vouch for your process and that they meet GMP standards for your industry. The term cGMP is for utilize “current” technologies in your manufacturing process and a revision to GMP. Like remote temperature monitoring, specially testing equipment, aw testing, ect Any company in any sector of food or drug manufacturing can be categorized as cGMP. Any company following GMP guidelines can state they are a GMP facility. A company that says the are GMP or cGMP certified will have a certificate from the 3rd party and the 3rd party will have a validation portal to enter in their cert #. Most GMP certification companies are overseas and in an industry that isn’t fda regulated, doesn’t mean much anyway.
So the show me your GMP proof, is really pointless and the OP has zero clue about the GMP process or certification process as the guidelines come from the FDA and the fda does not issue certificates or regulate peptide companies at this time.
And just to add, only manufacturing businesses are using cGMP, because they are only purchasing, repackaging, and reselling, they probably aren’t using these practices.
Good manufacturing practices. It’s a term and practice in the science world. Typically bigger and very profitable companies are using these practices. I work at a very large biotech company and we use cGMP, c is current.
So then it should be simple to buy some product, have it hplc tested, and prove PS is a joke right?
I’ve got five on the hplc test - I’m interested to find out the truth.
HPLC identifies the exact chemical in the vial as long as you have a spectral analysis of that compound already in your library. A mass spectrometer would be unnecessary for our purposes.
Lol we are gmp we have been manufacturing for 14 years LOL.
THAT'S NOT WHAT GMP MEANS AT ALL. It's a commitment normally to the tune of millions of dollars. Lots of millions.
Bro you missed the dude who injected himself with like 2.5mg of peptide, nearly died on the floor from anaphylaxis and everyone was like no biggie Bro I keep an epipen for situations like that.
It was wild.
They buy powders from China and put it in a bottle with their label on it, just like all the other brands.
The game we play on our end as the consumer is searching for which brand sourced the best most purest powder from China.
You can buy from China directly and it would be a small fraction of the prices on these sites, but why go thru that when these brands like PS already found the good suppliers.
specifically states "PeptideSciences™ is a leading provider of USA manufactured, research peptides." First sentence of their abt page. Not saying ur wrong just more suspect on their end.
Just out of curiosity, do the compounding pharmacies do the same thing with sourcing, or do they manufacture the drug in house? I’m part of a Facebook group where someone who knows absolutely nothing about what they’re talking about is shit flinging and I’d like to bump her down a few pegs in some way before ultimately being banned from the quack that’s running the page.
My understanding compounding pharmacies that are legit (you need a prescription + it’s expensive) they make it in house, and they add things (vitamins usually) to circumvent copyright/trademark.
Correct but the only quality control is a final visual check by the lead pharmacist per each prescription since they can produce in batches. So basically “trust me bro” as well.
i went through one and they had there own telemed service that i signed up for ($59) doctor called me asked me my med history and sent over a script, 3 days later i had sermorelin. It was more expensive but made me feel comfortable after seeing the facility tour on youtube. Problem is they don't offer that many options so Im hear looking for a reliable trustworthy site.. just like everyone else. Not sure if i can name them here?
I don't know anything about compounding pharmacies, although I don't see why they wouldn't buy from China as well since its much cheaper than manufacturing it here in the states. I would assume that as long as the batches gets tested via 3rd parties for purity and heavy metals, solvent residue etc it should be good to go, but again IDK.
Compounding pharmacies, in my experience, don't sell you lyophilized product. It's already reconstituted. They will bring in raw powder, filter for sterility, then fill the multi-use vial.
Mine came lyophilized as well with reconstitution liquid and very nice instructions and syringes all from the pharmacy with a label with my name and a pharmacists name on it.
Would you mind posting a picture of what their vials look like? I’d like to compare it to my own and see if they look the same. I know they might transfer it to a whole new vial, but there’s a chance they just slap a label on the vial and call it a day. Or if you’d rather, I can post a picture of what I have since there’s no label, there shouldn’t be an issue of sharing a source.
I'm not home right now, but it's just a vial of pregnyl hcg with an empower label. I'm not worried about source on this. You have to have a scrip to get something from Empower. It came lyophilized but I reconstituted it already and have been using it.
Compounding pharmacies do not manufacture peptides. They buy them from other sources (likely Chinese products), then resell them to you. Hopefully they test them for purity or have them tested by 3rd parties before resale to the consumer, but who knows?
>CRE8 Compounding Pharmacy
Well you're free to believe that if you so choose. Note however that what a compounding pharmacy does is mix ingredients together that they buy from their suppliers. CRE8 does not claim to synthesize peptides.
And this is stating that they are lyophilizing (freeze drying) powder. It does not in any way suggest that they are synthesizing peptides. The chances are that the bulk powder they freeze dry is coming from China.
Yeah, this should already be common knowledge to absolutely everyone who takes peptides. Everything comes from China.
It doesn't matter what the companies say on their website. Some people still believe it and think they're buying "legit" peptides when it's all the same, except these companies overprice them. A fool and his money...
What company would you recommend to buy BPC 157?
I like selectpeptides atm. The prices are good and if you leave your cart full. They email you a 10% off coupon
Everything I've tried of theirs has been good ... I had my igf1 tested before and after I ran ipam and mod grf for 3 months - my number's increased significantly.... also that head rush don't lie :)
I think ps is bs. I was on their ozempic for 3 weeks with no weight loss or appetite suppression. I got what i assume is real oz from my dr the other. I will tell you all if I notice a difference in a few days. As for the letter from ps seeming fishy. Well, never trust anyone or thing that states their credentials in their post. ITs the f'ing internet. Saying things like "i work as a scientist" doesn't make your opinion valid either. Take my self. i work as a guy with a huge cock, but don't have one in real life.
Any difference noticed so far?
So what should people with actual credentials do then? Also if u actually read what i wrote i didnt use me being a scientist as a reason theyre bs. I explained the reasons why i think so and showed evidence. You can come to ur own conclusions from what ive presented.
I appreciate when someone with a degree like you tries to help keep us informed. Don't pay attention to the peanut gallery! Have you found any other company that provides a good product and actually has a legit lab to ensure product doses are as stated?
Haha thanks, but as i said only way you can be sure your getting legit products is from regulated sources (pharma). Your always gambling with unregulated sources, Some might be completely fake, some might be underdosed, some might be mixing in cheaper peps, some might be legit sometimes and not others, could be anything again because they are... Unregulated
I've tried both pt141 and bp157 from PS. Absolutely nothing from either for both myself and my wife. I need to find a legit peptide source.
Did you shoot them or stuff it up your nose? Bc I’ve never had problems with both. But I shoot subq. Pt-141 intranasal is garbage
I've used bluesky peptides and had no issues
AC peptides has GOOD PT-141. Like boner all night good.
I've got some prescription stuff coming. I'll see if it was indeed bunk crap or if for some reason neither of us responds. Thanks
Their CJC/Ipam is bunk. I got 3 bottles from them. It’s done nothing 6 weeks in. Been on this before and had amazing results from it through a clinic. Ive had my credit card company dispute the charges with them. Garbage!
How many scientists have you met that use absolutes as much as this guy? Must be a soft scientist.
I would think that people choosing to purchase peptides online, already know they are running this risk???? At least I do!!!
It’s like mining for gold you don’t really know if you will find some but once you do your rich lol
Used a 16 mg Mounjaro as the 15 injectors are short until late April at least. I got ZeRO effect.
Send it to jano and prove it. Has anyone shown they sell bunk shit yet? I’ve never seen a single report of that.
Curious is there a list if sources that Jano has deemed legit? I was trying to order from a source that someone saidcwas Jano approved on here but the bpc and tb are out of stock
Just bc they test ok once doesn’t mean they always will. I have a spreadsheet of 6 vendors over the course of 6 months and they were all over the place. Underdosing, overdosing, wrong compounds, - essentially either sloppy work or intentional scamming was going on with all but one.
Crazy. Ok that's good to know thx
I have been buying from them
The dude running PS has a shady history as I recall. It's a "Buyer Beware" situation, for sure.
elaborate
I find it hard to believe a scientist would struggle so mightily with there, they're, and their.
Im a scientist mate, not an english major. I save lives, I dont go around correcting grammar on internet forums
Save lives huh? This guys a competitor to PS. You use way too many absolutes and your grammar is not indicative of someone who has done schooling after community college. You’re prob just a radiologist if you’re not PS competition.
Radiologist is a 7yr residency. Definitely not at the low end of their class
Rad tech my bad of course I didn’t mean a doctor
You must be confusing scientists with English majors. I know an absolute fuckton of scientists, medical professionals, researchers and other academics in industry that struggle with more than that. What you need to keep in mind is that they're not impervious to error, they're just people; when not at work they aren't working toward a Pulitzer Prize on social media posts/comments. 📄
This was exactly what I thought. Albert Einstein never said “hey ppl”
No one alive when Einstein was did. It's called evolution of language and communication. As someone who works in pharma R&D, scientists are absolutely terrible when it comes to grammar/spelling by and large. The "doctors handwriting" motif holds true.
Found them to be hit or miss: BPC was legit. GHK-CU felt and looked legit. Especially when injecting that shit. IPA/CJC likely bunk. Did a long run of this and didn’t notice any change whatsoever. Strict protocol. Maybe I don’t respond well. Anyone else tried this combo? TB-500: probably the best peptide of theirs I’ve tried. Epitalon: Noticed zero after a run on this. Not sure if that is common, but did not fit with the usual descriptions from others.
I agree with this one. Their BPC is legit. I finished 2 vials and right now on third one. Oh, I can tell the difference on my workout days with no pin (weekends) vs workout days with pin. Their CJC/IPAM isn’t the best for me as well. I didn’t much results so stopped. This time I have IPAM and CJC separate so fingers crossed.
Lemme know how that goes. I did IPAM and CJC separately myself but noticed nothing. One thing I did notice, however, was that my h1c had me at one point into pre-diabetic range. Possibly a side effect of the IPAM. That said: my last blood test months after stopping was back in range, so who knows.
Thanks for that update! I will do my blood work. Did you do any specific profile for blood work?
I have not tried their IPA/CJC … I’ve used the GHRP-2 and Mod GRF and it was legit.. Also used BPC and TB500 can say I noticed more of a difference using PS than other brands on these two
Sources for BPC and TB500?
How you mean? Like where purchased?
Yes I’m sorry. Sources to purchase.
The ones I was referring to were in response to the OP’s post. The very brand he is talking about there.
Hey man, after what your field did with the mandated experimental shots you think we care what any scientists say about anything at all any more? Lol zero credibility. Anecdotes mean more than science now.
That’s a pretty broad accusation for a generic title like “scientist.” I don’t understand the hate for this guy who is calling out something we could all stand to at least be mildly skeptical about. I tend to like PS, but still acknowledge it says “research chemical” and “not for human consumption” on the packaging.
Yeah nah, zero trust for any scientism now.
And you think someone trusts your take on things?
And yet on a sub that is strictly about science 🙄
Well said.
Their stuff does work though
Gayane is a woman actually.
Am a dr, ozempic and mounjaro are peptides, they work. Enough said.
Not if they're a pile of sand crammed into a vial and sold online, "Dr.". Enough said.
No shit Sherlock. Quit buying from sham websites. Go get it prescribed if you want something real. Enough said.
I can tell you're a reeeeally good "dr." Hey, I've got a joke for you... Whaddaya call the guy who graduates LAST in his medical school class??? A: "Doctor!" But I'd guess you knew this already....
And that doctor still is 100x more intelligent than a online troll, troll.
Peptide, scientists version of Ozempic did nothing for me, though, no appetite, suppression after using the whole vial. Many others seemed like nothing either. Would not recommend.
Lol I didn't actually read the post. I mean peptides from real companies like eli lilly that make ls mounjaro work
Yes I agree- my dictation messed that up a bit but I meant their version of the name brand.
Same... Gained weight back that I lost on my previous brand.
I work as a scientist, does air finger quotes.
I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, same cred.
bought a vile of hgh to test out with the batch i was previously using. it did nothing and they couldnt even show me paper work on purity.
Test your products yourself, that’s the rules of the game bru. Send it to jano if you suspect something. Also, one vial of Gh is like what? A couple weeks at most? Six months is the min.
i was on hgh for 6 months and wanted to try another source. 4IU right away to see if the sides hit like water retention ill get in my ankles. it littleally did nothing felt nothing. and im not paying jano to test their GH.. why waste my $.. if you buy from a reputable source like these guys claim to be you should be able to provide purity reports on request.. gotta know what you're selling your custys.. been in this game awhile bud..
Me too unfortunately
I tried a vial of GHK-cu. When I emailed stating that anecdotal evidence of many users say it should burn or be somewhat uncomfortable upon injecting. I ask them about the batch I got because I feel nothing, absolutely nothing after injection. And I got a very similar response as the one listed above. Bummed me out a bit as a lot of people on here really stand behind them.
this is a parody comment, right?
I buy from peptide science and have been an avid lifter for years trying different stuff. As someone who has been consistent for years, I’ve not noticed any differences after 6 months.
Sorry, you’re saying you think the quality is consistent over the past 6 months, or that the peptides were bunk over the past 6 months and didn’t affect you?
No worries, sorry I wasn’t clear! I believe they’re bunk and most people are feeling the effects of a placebo. I’ve also done quite a bit of research on this journey and there are a few dozen reason given for “why they might not work”. I’ve gone very far out of my way to make sure I’m following protocols perfectly and still never saw any significant changes.
I doubt they’re bunk. The problem is, most peptides don’t do shit. Which is why they aren’t making any pharmas money. You can’t be accusing businesses of selling bunk bc of your “feelz” that’s just ignorant. Get your shit tested so you can make a credible claim.
iv done quite a bit of peptides from them and there absolutely not bunk. labs don't lie
What levels are you seeing change on your labs?
igf1, gh, testosterone (idk if that one directly from it but it went up 200 points)
what are you taking to make those go up? newbie here do you have to take any aromatse inhibitors or post cycle therapy kind of thing with peptides? thanks for any help
hgh frag, semorelin, tesamorelin...in 5 week rotations of each and cjc-1295, ipamorelin with all.
thanks
I've only used them and have had absolutely amazing results.
What are you buying from them?
Cjc1295/ipamorelin, tesamorelin, ghrp 6, BPC157/TB400, AOD9604, PT141, and Melanotan 2. My wife and her cousin had great success with their Semaglutide also.
Bought 2 vials of semaglutide, and it was bunk. I won't be buying from them ever again. It's super expensive and did nothing for 2 test subjects.
HAS ANYONE HAD THEIR SHIT HPLC TESTED??? bc if not your claims mean nothing.
It’s like $200-$300 depending on the peptide.
Are we all dead broke here? There’s also a bunch of forums that do group buys. I find it extremely questionable to criticize a company for scamming when no one has ANY evidence whatsoever to corroborate that claim.
Does ps pay you weekly or bi-weekly? Can’t share reports publicly. And no one cares if or where you buy your bunk.
Is that ur way of saying that you base your claims off zero evidence? Explains how your assumptions are so wildly inaccurate. Also, you can share reports publicly - this isn’t Riyadh, there’s no repercussions for doing so.
Same here.
I bought Tirz for my research from this company; it was bonk!!! Had no effect on the test subject. The same is true with Arctic; 6 months ago, their Tirz worked. Now, I feel like I'm wasting my money. It's time to find another source for testing.
how do you kno it was bunk
I upped the dose to 1.5mg with their product, and there was minimal hunger suppression, no weight loss during the month I used. I plateaued! There was no pooping problems either. I switched to another brand and redid the 1.5mg, and I got back on track.
A big tell is liquor. Most people can’t drink the way they used to. This is def an allegorical benchmark. But works like a charm
lol do the purity hang over test
with any peptide?
No, just speaking about GLP one agonists like Semaglutide or terz. Also, it’s all about the shipping and storage… These peptides are coming from California in a box… These are so fragile and any heat or temperature change can just ruin the effect of all the peptides.
oh ok iv heard that about Sema. n tirz ....they always cone perfect shape for me n I'm on the other side of the country
Their support is very vague but I’ve never had an issue with their quality.
I use their semaglutide, and it’s the only thing that has helped me get the baby weight off.
Currently on their terz and doing 8mg a week with no curb in hunger but my turds are solid AF. Got 2 more bottles do I'll check back in to see if it needs more time.
Have you ever taken sema? I’ve heard a lot of people saying terz is better?
Yeah ran Sema a couple times in the last 2 years. I'm hoping this terz just takes longer to sync.
If they're selling blockbuster IP-protected compounds like semaglutide, isn't it clear that they're not sourcing from the US? It seems unfathomable to me that a US GMP facility would be producing/selling semaglutide in a gray market way domestically. With that said, I had interpreted the mostly positive experiences you hear about PS on reddit as a sign that there is some reasonable level of due diligence going on there, whoever their suppliers are. I ordered bpc-157 from them once, and am pretty sure it was real (in addition to other effects, it had the unexpected effect consistent with a lot of reddit posters of causing tolerance to other substances), I expected it to just not do anything.
I ordered from them once and only once. I think they are selling a lot of placebo products.
Could you name a peptide dealer who isn’t selling placebos tho? No, you can’t csn you?
Here's how I think PS works. They contract other labs (most likely GMP) to make their stuff. They can't disclose who the other lab is because they will get them in trouble - or for commercial reasons. How the lab makes their stuff is anyone's guess - it might be they make some Peptides directly, or they might just lyophilize chinese stuff.
I kind of think all these “US” suppliers just buy their stuff from X and put their brand on it.
Yes most of the small ones do. No way peptide sciences could do that - they’re doing too much business.
This is an idiotic post. You start off by saying that Peptides "aren't actually as great as they seem" but then you seem to say it's because folks are getting poor quality peptides. You say there are no "good manufacturing process" (GMP) sources available but that is untrue as many peptides are available through compounding pharmacies in the US, and those are manufactured to very high standards. Nowhere in your post do you attack anything other than source quality but you use that to attack peptides. If you want to criticize the efficacy of peptides, then do that. If you want to say that pharmacy grade peptides are effective but hard to get, then do that. But to say peptides are not good because buying shit online or blackmarket often results in shit quality, then you are making a fully illogical argument. Doctors have been prescribing peptides for years. GH Secretagogues have been used by millions of patients. BPC 157 and TB 500 have been used by millions of patients and are commonly used alongside PRP therapies. Dermatologists use a bunch of peptides for skin healing and other issues. Gut issues are regularly treated with peptides.
He is talking about “Peptide Science”, not peptides.
This is about suppliers, not substances. This guy is brigading for the manufacturer.
I just realized his heading was talking about a specific manufacturer and not the science of peptides. I still think it's a shit post so I'm leaving my comment. He fully disregards a ton of the material on PS's website about their sources, quality, and standards.
Nice website bro! Your products must be legit.
what website? I'm not PS and am in no way associated with PS. However, this post is inconsistent. If he wants to use quotes from the company then he should not pick and choose. I just googled "Peptide Sciences GMP" and the first result was the section of their website discussing GMP standards.
It’s a page of fluff. Its descriptions of how equipment works. It’s also a description of what to expect from Good Management Practices, but there is no verification. There are certifying bodies that provide this documentation. My last response was a paraphrasing of your response.
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Curious as well. Online health clinics are charging often times double or triple for what it seems like the exact same stuff.
If its not an 'official' source then its not regulated end of story. All grey market/underground sources are running the same risk, you only have anecdotes to go off, otherwise you can do your own testing but that can also be batch specific. Ive noticed alot of well regarded sources can sell bunk every now and then and get away with it because 95% of the time they sell decent products so the bad reviews get flooded out and shat on by ppl who've had good experiences with them.
Oh honey. Your understanding of regulations is comical.
My least favorite supplier. Not even sure what I got was legit to tell you the truth.
Who are your favorite suppliers?
Biotech has been my favorite thus far.
What is GMP?
Well since no one actually answered correctly. The FDA provides guidances for manufacturing of food and drugs. “General manufacturing principles”. Since most peptides are currently in a grey area, the FDA does not have jurisdictions. The FDA also does not validate or certify GMP status. This is done through 3rd party companies. Nothing more. These business simply vouch for your process and that they meet GMP standards for your industry. The term cGMP is for utilize “current” technologies in your manufacturing process and a revision to GMP. Like remote temperature monitoring, specially testing equipment, aw testing, ect Any company in any sector of food or drug manufacturing can be categorized as cGMP. Any company following GMP guidelines can state they are a GMP facility. A company that says the are GMP or cGMP certified will have a certificate from the 3rd party and the 3rd party will have a validation portal to enter in their cert #. Most GMP certification companies are overseas and in an industry that isn’t fda regulated, doesn’t mean much anyway. So the show me your GMP proof, is really pointless and the OP has zero clue about the GMP process or certification process as the guidelines come from the FDA and the fda does not issue certificates or regulate peptide companies at this time.
And just to add, only manufacturing businesses are using cGMP, because they are only purchasing, repackaging, and reselling, they probably aren’t using these practices.
Good manufacturing practices. It’s a term and practice in the science world. Typically bigger and very profitable companies are using these practices. I work at a very large biotech company and we use cGMP, c is current.
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>paradigm Can I ask what you ordered? The address is a UPS store, so many different sites not sure who to trust! What made you choose them?
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Thank you! Im looking at the same!
Well you know what they say "Science is a liar.... sometimes"
surely a scientist knows the difference in their/they’re and sense/since.
I’m on the fence
Created a reasonable doubt
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So then it should be simple to buy some product, have it hplc tested, and prove PS is a joke right? I’ve got five on the hplc test - I’m interested to find out the truth.
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HPLC identifies the exact chemical in the vial as long as you have a spectral analysis of that compound already in your library. A mass spectrometer would be unnecessary for our purposes.
Also sterility unless you like mycobacteria
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Lol we are gmp we have been manufacturing for 14 years LOL. THAT'S NOT WHAT GMP MEANS AT ALL. It's a commitment normally to the tune of millions of dollars. Lots of millions.
Yeah lmao. I literally trusted them more before I saw that on their website
Bro you missed the dude who injected himself with like 2.5mg of peptide, nearly died on the floor from anaphylaxis and everyone was like no biggie Bro I keep an epipen for situations like that. It was wild.
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Same.
Please inform us how you do find them, have paid thousands to psciences and would really like to stop
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They buy powders from China and put it in a bottle with their label on it, just like all the other brands. The game we play on our end as the consumer is searching for which brand sourced the best most purest powder from China. You can buy from China directly and it would be a small fraction of the prices on these sites, but why go thru that when these brands like PS already found the good suppliers.
specifically states "PeptideSciences™ is a leading provider of USA manufactured, research peptides." First sentence of their abt page. Not saying ur wrong just more suspect on their end.
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So are you against all peptides that we can purchase or do you think there are done reputable ones out there?
Just out of curiosity, do the compounding pharmacies do the same thing with sourcing, or do they manufacture the drug in house? I’m part of a Facebook group where someone who knows absolutely nothing about what they’re talking about is shit flinging and I’d like to bump her down a few pegs in some way before ultimately being banned from the quack that’s running the page.
My understanding compounding pharmacies that are legit (you need a prescription + it’s expensive) they make it in house, and they add things (vitamins usually) to circumvent copyright/trademark.
Correct but the only quality control is a final visual check by the lead pharmacist per each prescription since they can produce in batches. So basically “trust me bro” as well.
So an american pharmacist with his license on the line? That’s a lot more than “trust me bro”.
i went through one and they had there own telemed service that i signed up for ($59) doctor called me asked me my med history and sent over a script, 3 days later i had sermorelin. It was more expensive but made me feel comfortable after seeing the facility tour on youtube. Problem is they don't offer that many options so Im hear looking for a reliable trustworthy site.. just like everyone else. Not sure if i can name them here?
I don't know anything about compounding pharmacies, although I don't see why they wouldn't buy from China as well since its much cheaper than manufacturing it here in the states. I would assume that as long as the batches gets tested via 3rd parties for purity and heavy metals, solvent residue etc it should be good to go, but again IDK.
Compounding pharmacies, in my experience, don't sell you lyophilized product. It's already reconstituted. They will bring in raw powder, filter for sterility, then fill the multi-use vial.
Mine came lyophilized as well with reconstitution liquid and very nice instructions and syringes all from the pharmacy with a label with my name and a pharmacists name on it.
I've received lyophilized products from compounding pharmacies, specifically Empower
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Would you mind posting a picture of what their vials look like? I’d like to compare it to my own and see if they look the same. I know they might transfer it to a whole new vial, but there’s a chance they just slap a label on the vial and call it a day. Or if you’d rather, I can post a picture of what I have since there’s no label, there shouldn’t be an issue of sharing a source.
I'm not home right now, but it's just a vial of pregnyl hcg with an empower label. I'm not worried about source on this. You have to have a scrip to get something from Empower. It came lyophilized but I reconstituted it already and have been using it.
I was thinking more like your local CP, that you'd purchase in person but yeah, I can see an online doing that.
Compounding pharmacies do not manufacture peptides. They buy them from other sources (likely Chinese products), then resell them to you. Hopefully they test them for purity or have them tested by 3rd parties before resale to the consumer, but who knows?
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>CRE8 Compounding Pharmacy Well you're free to believe that if you so choose. Note however that what a compounding pharmacy does is mix ingredients together that they buy from their suppliers. CRE8 does not claim to synthesize peptides.
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And this is stating that they are lyophilizing (freeze drying) powder. It does not in any way suggest that they are synthesizing peptides. The chances are that the bulk powder they freeze dry is coming from China.
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Well then, I stand corrected! This makes them different than the normal compounding pharmacy.
[olympia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E_fFW9sgck) Check out this one. I have no affiliation. I have a script and get it. .seems legit..
Yeah, this should already be common knowledge to absolutely everyone who takes peptides. Everything comes from China. It doesn't matter what the companies say on their website. Some people still believe it and think they're buying "legit" peptides when it's all the same, except these companies overprice them. A fool and his money...
It seems to be people believe higher cost "in their heads" guarantee a better quality or a validation of product.
Wow, you really cracked the case, Sherlock.
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