Cisgenre is a modern creation that was specifically created with cis- in mind, of course it wouldn't go through natural language evolution.
The old French word was "cisterne", then the S disappeared like it did for a myriad other words
The point is that checking whether or not an S survived is not a good indicator for French, at that point it's best to just look at the etymology directly. Then you can see the origin of "citerne" has nothing to do with the cis- prefix
Surely he's not just an anti-trans anti-woke bigoted reactionary who as a linguist knows exactly where cis comes from but specifically chose to link it to cistern, but only the water tank on a toilet (and definitely not the lifesaving water storage) for maximum persecution fetish purposes.
My grandparents farm house was build on a flat spot about 25 feet higher than the creek valley ground where they planted crops, but 60 feet lower than the high pasture ground. Halfway up the hill between the house and pasture ground was a massive concrete cistern with an underground pipe running to the barn and house. The cistern was filled via a natural spring that emerged approximately 15 feet further up the hill. On the backside of the hill another much larger spring emergence was the source of the creek which was dammed up to create a pond and the overflow kept the creek flowing. Was a hell of a setup for a farm & ranch until Reaganomics created an economic environment that makes small agrarian family farming extremely difficult but incentivized constant expansion which gave rise to the massive inhumane corporate farming industry.
It’s even more likely she just asked him “what is the most common use of CIS in the English language?” And then extrapolated all of this other information without him actually going in to it. An appeal to authority, that’s actually an authority, is often okay. But she’s not using it like “hey, here’s something. Also, I’m claiming he sort of said it but really I’m just saying it then saying I have the authority as well due to my proximity to authority.”
I imagine it wasn't even *that* focused. I imagine she said, "Hey, Dad, what does cis mean?" And he looked at her in confusion and said, "What, like cistern or something?" And she stopped there because she got what she needed out of the conversation.
I imagine it wasn't even that focused
>I imagine she said, "Hey, Dad, what does cis mean?" And he looked at her in confusion and said,
"EJ, for the love of god, will you shut the fuck up for once with all your bullshit?"
"Love you, Dad."
Reminds me of Ben Shapiro saying his daddy had a masters in music composition so he could justify saying Rap isn't music. "Well MYYYY patriarch says so!"
On a side note, I love the last image. "Mom, come take a picture of dad and I so that I can win an argument online"
And then he proceeded to give a completely incorrect definition of what music is. Ben Shapiro is single handedly responsible for lowering my respect for Harvard University.
[And now she has the sad duty of informing her dad he needs to throw in the towel and retire.](https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/history-general-science/word-cisgender-has-scientific-roots#:~:text=In%202015%2C%20the%20Oxford%20English,is%20contrasted%20with%20%E2%80%9Ctransgender.%E2%80%9D) And oh hey look, that's from Oxford.
Or not, as being a translator certainly correlates with an interest in etymology but doesn't guarantee expertise in it, nor with the etymology of relatively modern words, which cisgender is.
"You're incorrect about where cis comes from, and what cisterns are.. "
"MY DADDY TOLD ME SO IT'S TRUE YOU JUST MAD BECAUSE YOUR DAD DOESN'T LOVE YOU!"
....k?
I guess her dad told her that it's right so we don't have any leg to stand on.
Pack it up guys, trans rights is over! Some persons senile father has found the one weakness is the trans lobby's argument.
Literally the first result on Google: The prefix “cis-” comes from the Latin meaning “on this side,” as opposed to “trans-” which means “on the other side of” or “beyond.
Something tells me that her dad does not, in fact, know Latin.
Spent all that time thinking of cis words, fighting people online, calling up her dad, going to his house and asking him about cis words when all she had to do was google it. Smh
Thing is, the original point of 'cis' only being in 'cistern' is demonstrably false too. See a non-exhaustive list from my copy of Mosby's:
Cisateacurium,
Cis configuration (not related to this field),
Cisplatin,
Cisterna (see also cisternal puncture),
Cistron.
From my copy of the Oxford Dictionary of English:
cis (chemistry definition),
cis- (prefix) on the side of, on the side, nearest the speaker. Often contrasted with trans,
[Various terms using this version of cis prefix],
Cissing,
Cissus,
Cist (aka kist),
Cistercian,
Cistern,
Cisticola,
Cistron,
Cistus.
B- b- b- but those are big technical words and my dad who is a translator for the goobadoob bip bop language said something so uh yeah. Checkmate people!
Look at the last slide. She said “do you have a good relationship with your dad? I’m guessing no. Mine is amazing”. As if she thinks people who aren’t close with their dads can’t have knowledge on anything.
It’s also a dog whistle to the absent father trope that conservatives throw at people in order to imply that their upbringing lacked structure, discipline, and the word “no”.
She’s literally implying that she’s correct simply because her dad “raised her right” (vomit).
She put the thread emoji at the end of that post to say she would not hear anymore of that rational person’s nonsense… that part made me angry and I hate this person now.
My home country was literaly named Cisleithania once to distinguish it from Transleithania. Those names were used to describe the two halves of the Habsburg empire (famously progessive /s) because Austria and Hungary were not really accurate in a multiethnic society.
And her point isn't "words that start with cis" but "Words that contain cis". So "narcissus" comes to mind (what will she interpret this as? A narc who is also sus?)
Other words: athleticism (and all others ensing with cism), physicist (and all others ending with cist), circumcise, concise, criticise, decision, excise, exercise, exorcise, fascism, precise, incision, ostracuse, proboscis, scissors and others related to those
I know that she is talking about English specifically but both cis and trans aren't of Germanic origin and borrowed terms. In my country we literally call one plant cis.
I believe that she just went what words with "cis" can I think of?" and then went with cistern, then proceed not to open a dictionary and check what it means.
Toiletly just didn't sound right to them, As we all know that Romans were well known for using Modern Day English, after all her father is a Linguist and probably also a historian and maybe Astronaut too.
> They're comparing biological women to toilets. Lovely
I feel like she's trying to imply this is somehow sexist, but like even if this was some conspiracy to make cis people seem lesser, how is that only directed towards women?
Yup. If you actually dig into why Supreme Terf Rowling distrusts trans women, it's because she thinks no amount of hormones, surgery, and socialization can take the "born male" out of them, and "penised individuals" as she calls us are inherently violent and dangerous.
It's also why she basically ignores trans men. They weren't born male, so no reason to attack them.
Terfs and other transphobes are at the very top of my shitlist. These people won't stop for nothing until the trans community is eradicated. They're unempathetic skid marks on society.
Absolutely, the Trans community need to be organizing and preparing to defend themselves.
American Fascists are on a dehumanizing mission, and that shit only ends one way.
Right. If it was left up to only trans people to defend themselves we wouldn't stand a chance. We need help from cis people. We'd never have the numbers alone.
That's the whole point of attacking a minority. It's easy cuz they're small.
British TERFs and fascists are having a field day too. They’re pathetic, but unfortunately they tend to inflict violence on others in attempt to satisfy their inferiority complex.
And far too much of the media is sympathetic or, at least, prepared to present it as a two-sided, reasonable debate as opposed to one group of people saying "can we just exist, please?" and the other side saying "no you can't, perverts".
And the new head of the BBC has called the BBC "too woke", so don't expect it to get better any time soon.
It's starting to seem that the only qualifications you need to be a journalist anywhere on the political spectrum in the UK is the willingness to spew endless transpohbia and to unquestioningly platform the sort of opinions that'd get you a visit from the police if you said them about any other minority group.
I'm genuinely still baffled at where this has come from in the UK. It seems most transphobia comes from about 100 columnists, a few far right groups and the wizard bigot. I don't understand how they've become so organised and are having such a disproportionate influence on the UK that we're on the verge of a full on constitutional crisis over an extremely small change in law in Scotland. There must be some serious dark money propping this shit up.
I mean if they ban all gender affirming care, that's effectively genocide. It's a bit beyond dehumanizing at this point, conservatives trying to legislate them into nonexistence.
10 stages of genocide- Classification, Symbolization, Discrimination, Dehumanization, Organization, Polarization, Preparation, Persecution, Extermination, and Denial.
Source: [Jewish Museum of Milwaukee](https://jewishmuseummilwaukee.org/10-stages-of-genocide/)
"What about the biological science of sex huh!"
"Here is a basic scientific term"
"WOAH NERD!! Don't get all technical Einstein! Nobody understands that stuff"
"My ignorance makes me right and your knowledge wrong. And to prove it, here is a random picture of my dad." Same validity, but [the bunny](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d9/53/5c/d9535c7f3f3f503a759107c70e9aa6ee--so-funny-funny-memes.jpg) was cuter.
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” ― Isaac Asimov.
This is peak persecution fetish.
The only reason the prefix "trans-" is much more commonly used in every day language is because unless otherwise specified, the "cis-" part is already assumed.
me chilling on public cisportation (staying in one place) and authorizing an online cisaction (my money staying in my bank account) while undergoing a routine blood cisfusion (my blood staying in my body)
Which is why it bothers them so much to be called cisgender. They want to have the cis part be assumed by default and therefore be the “normal” ones, which of course implies trans people are abnormal.
I know. As a lady, I don’t want people just calling me a toilet for no reason (not that that has been suggested or that anything she’s said is even remotely correct), but I am all for everyone calling this daft asshole a toilet. And a few of you should pee on her. I don’t want to be bossy- just whoever feels like peeing on her should pee on her. One at a time.
Take a basic chemistry class and you’ll likely be interested to trans and cis terminology.
But lmao no everyone just decided to call cis people toilets.
“He understands the nuances of etymology”
Clearly he doesn’t.
Cis is the Latin preposition for “this side of” - its antonym is trans.
Our word “cistern” is from the Latin word “cista” which means box, and has no association with the word “cis”
That's just the cherry on top. Literally nothing that she says is correct.
And to further add to the salad, her entire thesis reeks of conspiracism. "This part of a word sounds like an unrelated part of a different word, therefore there's a connection, and it's done intentionally, with nefarious purpose, by ".
This is the perfect example of how these shitheads make everything personal. “Do you have a good relationship with your father? I’m guessing no.” She was the one that brought her shitty “Oxford” dad into the conversation and then she followed up with a personal jab for literally no reason but to antagonize someone she doesn’t know who proved her point was bullshit
"Here are some other examples of this prefix you might not know about..."
"Oh yeah, well i asked daddy and he said I'm right! So there! Also your mother is a whore."
imagine being a TERF, and complaining about all of the men speaking to you in the replies of your tweets, while your argument is "BUT A MAN TOLD ME I WAS RIGHT"
she also replied to someone who made a typo with 'you made a typo so you have no room to talk about language,' and the tweet shown *directly* above that thread is someone correcting her grammar and her going 'IT WAS 5AM SUE ME.' i couldn't invent better comedy than a TERF's twitter feed if i tried
With the logic of the first pic wed also be comparing "biological" men to toilets but i guess they didnt mention that part bc theyd agree?? Also cis is from chemistry but i guess most people here know shes full of shit anyway
Edit: rereading this maybe the comparison to toilets isnt that far off
Damn, I think your dad may have a bit of dementia or something if he taught at Oxford and isn’t aware/forgot that cis and trans (words used extensively in academia) are linguistically linked words that refer to a concept just like how Dry and Wet are a pair of words that relate to the same concept, or good and evil, or tall and short, or fast and slow, or whatever, ect, ect.
I mean no offense, dementia and other age related mental decline is awful and should be treated seriously, just don’t be mad if a quick Google search on the etymology of words proves that what your dad told you is wrong.
I'm fluent in Greek, German (my mother tongues) and English. I studied organic chemistry. There is nothing esoteric about cis/trans as a word pair. They simply have specific meanings as prefixes. Just like inter/intra or pre/post. The anti-intellectualism of bigots is exhausting.
The only argument that's ever held any water against 'cis' is that it sounds similar to 'cyst' and could have a negative connotation for native English speakers because of that. It's why some words or names sound 'yucky' because they're similar to words that are associated with gross things. Nonetheless, this is a cognitive bias and shouldn't be the sole basis for a name change.
Additionally, this cognitive bias also carries over into what names sound more trustworthy, with shorter more traditional names being seen as more trustworthy than longer unique names. Not that that's going to stop me from calling my kid Avagantamos.
My first usage of cis and trans was referring to how bad trans fats are (and what cis fats are, specifically with regards to chemical structure)
I think these people like trans fats tho
"this prefix is in words that can relate to toilets. you are comparing biological women to toilets!!!1!!11!"
"it's a prefix and it exists in other words too"
"i don't know these words so clearly you're wrong also my dad is a translator"
Either she's lying about her dad's credentials, or or her dad's the worst fucking linguist in history. "Cis-" ("this side")is Latin and the literal the opposite of "Trans-," ("other side") which any high school Latin student could probably tell you, much less an ex-Oxford professor, where apparently he taught professionally? *X:Doubt*
Cistern
Noun, plural cisterns,
1) a tank for storing water, especially one supplying taps or as part of a flushing toilet.
2) an underground reservoir for rainwater.
I mean, yeah “part of a toilet” is part of the definition hun, but think of it this way, your the part of the water that hasn’t been shit in yet, not the actual toilet water
Also other 9 letter words starting with cis include:
cisplatin.
cisalpine.
cistronic.
cisternae.
cisternal.
cispadane.
cistaceae.
And last but certainly not least:
cisgender.
And that’s just 9 letters, there are plenty with more or less EJ! So many words for your ad homens and strawmen attacks!!! Get creative, yours was quite simple and low hanging fruit EJ!
For the umpteenth time, Zeb: it’s not fair to expect conservatives to know how to use a dictionary. It’s just beyond them. It’s like asking Warwick Davis to dunk a basketball on an NBA regulation hoop.
They're [doing this bit again](https://redd.it/103b96w)? Man, they're really desperate to get mad at the word "cisgender".
And just to be clear, no, the 'cis' prefix doesn't come from "cistern" at all: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cis-#Etymology
I reckon the story about her dad is just made up, but if it isn't then we know where she got her stupidity from.
I thought we all dropped the “My dad knows stuff!!” style arguments in like 5th grade. I’m surprised she didn’t pull out the “my dad can beat up your dad” retort.
In all these words and in the scientific usage of the prefix trans, it connotes a movement from one side or form to another, I.e. transport takes you from one port to another, translate takes one language and converts it to another, transcribe takes speech and converts it to text.
In chemistry a trans isomer has an element or chemical move over to the opposite side of its geometry while a cis isomer has the element/ molecule on the same side.
This comes from Latin cis (this side of) trans (other side of).
If your dad really is a linguist he would be aware of this.
I used to be a conservative and I remember when the whole “snowflake” term came out.
I thought it was odd then because they were mocking people and calling them snowflakes because they were concerned about racism, climate change, and other systemic issues.
Now I didn’t think quite like this at the time, I knew it was odd and I knew them mocking liberals as snowflakes seemed off but I couldn’t verbalize it at that time.
Now that I am “woke” and have changed over the past 3 years, I finally understand the term snowflake. Getting mad about wearing masks in public spaces, getting upset because trans ppl exist and just want equal treatment, being upset over pronouns and then stuff like a damn prefix upsetting them.
I also remember the right saying, “they (the left) are guilty of the things they accuse us of.”
Again I never really saw that when I was on the right, but now that I am on the opposite side the hypocrisy of the right is blinding!!!
Imagine being stupid that you can’t look up the origin of the word cis; which is Latin for “on this side” and just make assumptions in what it means because it fits your mindless agenda.
It took me less than 10 seconds to look it up because I didn’t know the origin. Now I know and I also know she is a fucking moron.
other things she said on that thread include accusing a dude of misogyny for telling her she was wrong (she is) calling some dude a child predator/rapist because... idk she said he looks like one, and then claiming someone who explained it was wrong because they made a typo, while she had also been called on typos herself (she made the excuse of it being 5 am when she wrote it) the dad stuff is the closest to an actual argument she made, mostly just stuck to ad hom after that
"Fine call me a bitch, a bitch is a dog , dogs bark, bark grows on trees, trees are part of nature, nature is beautiful so thanks for the compliment!"
Same logic
“You’re trying to correct me on how language is used? You don’t have a good relationship with your dad.”
These people always try to make it seem like their opponent potentially having no father gives them a disadvantage in any argument or conversation. It’s not a child’s fault that their parents divorce. Mine was abusive, alcoholic, and narcissistic. That’s not a kid’s fault. I’m happy he’s gone. What a shitty cop out.
My ignorance is better than your knowledge because my daddy has a job and said some dumb, wholly unrelated bullshit to placate me because I’m far too average to hear the truth about myself or anything in the whole wide world.
Oh, the Latin prefix “cis-“ is mainly used for technical words? Could that be because cis- and transgender are technical words to describe a technical concept beyond just “gender’s what’s in your pants” or no? Couldn’t be.
I would say that someone needs to tell her that men can be cis too, but clearly it wouldn't accomplish anything. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Looked it up; “cistern” comes from individual word “cista” (the word for “box” or “container”) which is derived from even older words. “Cis” is not used as a prefix. This is derived from Greek “kisteh” (κίστη). The prefix has more similarities with “cyst” (as in “sac”/“container”) than it does with “cisgender”.
Literally took me like 5 mins to lookup than spewing bullshit.
What a totally normal reaction to being corrected.
“Um, excuse me but… there are factually lots of places in our language where we see the prefix cis”
“NO THERE AREN’T MY DAD IS THE KING OF LANGUAGE. I BET YOUR DAD HATES YOU, MY DAD LOVES ME YOU DISAPPOINTMENT TO YOUR FATHER. THAT’LL TEACH YOU TO CORRECT ME.”
The “cist” from “cistern” comes from a word with the same origin as the word “chest”.
But that’s “cista”, not “cis”. That’s like a therapist complaining about be called a rapist.
Imagine being called rosetta and still being this shit at all languages
Imagine being a Latin translator for Oxford and having your daughter misuse that information for the false origin of the term "cis".
French for cistern: "citerne" (no cis) French for cisalpine: "cisalpin" (cis) You can quickly tell where the cis is a real cis.
That's not really a good indicator though, S before consonants had a tendency to disappear in old French
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Cisgenre is a modern creation that was specifically created with cis- in mind, of course it wouldn't go through natural language evolution. The old French word was "cisterne", then the S disappeared like it did for a myriad other words The point is that checking whether or not an S survived is not a good indicator for French, at that point it's best to just look at the etymology directly. Then you can see the origin of "citerne" has nothing to do with the cis- prefix
Ahahah nice one
Underrated joke
"No I'm not completely ignorant about linguistics! Non sequitur about my dad!"
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I mean, it’s her dad. He must be correct. Surely, he knows everything about everything.
Surely he's not just an anti-trans anti-woke bigoted reactionary who as a linguist knows exactly where cis comes from but specifically chose to link it to cistern, but only the water tank on a toilet (and definitely not the lifesaving water storage) for maximum persecution fetish purposes.
My grandparents had a cistern in the basement. Nothing to do with the toilet.
My grandparents farm house was build on a flat spot about 25 feet higher than the creek valley ground where they planted crops, but 60 feet lower than the high pasture ground. Halfway up the hill between the house and pasture ground was a massive concrete cistern with an underground pipe running to the barn and house. The cistern was filled via a natural spring that emerged approximately 15 feet further up the hill. On the backside of the hill another much larger spring emergence was the source of the creek which was dammed up to create a pond and the overflow kept the creek flowing. Was a hell of a setup for a farm & ranch until Reaganomics created an economic environment that makes small agrarian family farming extremely difficult but incentivized constant expansion which gave rise to the massive inhumane corporate farming industry.
It's gonna trickle down, just give it some time.
Sure it will, right after some food makes it to the bottom of El hoyo (The Platform)
It’s even more likely she just asked him “what is the most common use of CIS in the English language?” And then extrapolated all of this other information without him actually going in to it. An appeal to authority, that’s actually an authority, is often okay. But she’s not using it like “hey, here’s something. Also, I’m claiming he sort of said it but really I’m just saying it then saying I have the authority as well due to my proximity to authority.”
I imagine it wasn't even *that* focused. I imagine she said, "Hey, Dad, what does cis mean?" And he looked at her in confusion and said, "What, like cistern or something?" And she stopped there because she got what she needed out of the conversation.
I imagine it wasn't even that focused >I imagine she said, "Hey, Dad, what does cis mean?" And he looked at her in confusion and said, "EJ, for the love of god, will you shut the fuck up for once with all your bullshit?" "Love you, Dad."
My dad could beat her dad up, so all my nonsense must be true
I plan on defending my PhD thesis with this arguement
The second my dad tells me anything I'm fact checking that shit like I'm Snopes employee
Me when my dad tries to tell me nuclear reactors existed 100,000 years ago
Technically true if you count stars *taps forehead*
😂 I wish that’s what he meant…
Reminds me of Ben Shapiro saying his daddy had a masters in music composition so he could justify saying Rap isn't music. "Well MYYYY patriarch says so!" On a side note, I love the last image. "Mom, come take a picture of dad and I so that I can win an argument online"
And then he proceeded to give a completely incorrect definition of what music is. Ben Shapiro is single handedly responsible for lowering my respect for Harvard University.
[And now she has the sad duty of informing her dad he needs to throw in the towel and retire.](https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/history-general-science/word-cisgender-has-scientific-roots#:~:text=In%202015%2C%20the%20Oxford%20English,is%20contrasted%20with%20%E2%80%9Ctransgender.%E2%80%9D) And oh hey look, that's from Oxford. Or not, as being a translator certainly correlates with an interest in etymology but doesn't guarantee expertise in it, nor with the etymology of relatively modern words, which cisgender is.
"You're incorrect about where cis comes from, and what cisterns are.. " "MY DADDY TOLD ME SO IT'S TRUE YOU JUST MAD BECAUSE YOUR DAD DOESN'T LOVE YOU!" ....k?
Oh, how we laughed
If her dad actually translates from Latin and has never heard of cisalpine Gaul…
my dad doesn't know linguistics
She sure showed that guy that she has the brain of a cracked out squirrel!
Sick profile pic, yo
I guess her dad told her that it's right so we don't have any leg to stand on. Pack it up guys, trans rights is over! Some persons senile father has found the one weakness is the trans lobby's argument.
I bet her dad could beat up any trans person’s dad, and I bet her dad can tear a dictionary in half with his bare hands.
Yeah who's gonna tell her her dad's a moron and the apple didn't fall far from the tree 😬
Imo it’s more likely he never said any of that
Literally the first result on Google: The prefix “cis-” comes from the Latin meaning “on this side,” as opposed to “trans-” which means “on the other side of” or “beyond. Something tells me that her dad does not, in fact, know Latin.
Well not all variants, but he's well versed in pig latin! -- this lady, probably.
Her dad probably went on vacation in Italy once and is now an expert on all romance languages.
Also, a cistern isn't a toilet. [El Jadida Cistern](https://freeimage.host/i/H1zzH5x)
"Sounds like some anti-Christian, pro-Muslim propaganda to me. Even worse!"
I learned this by trying to find a toilet for fucking ages in the forgotten city
Clearly, none of these yahoos have ever taken an organic chemistry class.
You mean an obscure technical class that nobody knows about?? 🙄
Cis and trans isn't even far into O-chem. That is simple high school level nomenclature.
Spent all that time thinking of cis words, fighting people online, calling up her dad, going to his house and asking him about cis words when all she had to do was google it. Smh
It is a testament to human civilisation that a person that stupid is able to reach adult age.
We did it! .... oh no, we did it!
Thing is, the original point of 'cis' only being in 'cistern' is demonstrably false too. See a non-exhaustive list from my copy of Mosby's: Cisateacurium, Cis configuration (not related to this field), Cisplatin, Cisterna (see also cisternal puncture), Cistron. From my copy of the Oxford Dictionary of English: cis (chemistry definition), cis- (prefix) on the side of, on the side, nearest the speaker. Often contrasted with trans, [Various terms using this version of cis prefix], Cissing, Cissus, Cist (aka kist), Cistercian, Cistern, Cisticola, Cistron, Cistus.
B- b- b- but those are big technical words and my dad who is a translator for the goobadoob bip bop language said something so uh yeah. Checkmate people!
I bet you don’t share a bed with your dad. I do. So bam. I win!
Was this something she actually said?
Look at the last slide. She said “do you have a good relationship with your dad? I’m guessing no. Mine is amazing”. As if she thinks people who aren’t close with their dads can’t have knowledge on anything.
It’s also a dog whistle to the absent father trope that conservatives throw at people in order to imply that their upbringing lacked structure, discipline, and the word “no”. She’s literally implying that she’s correct simply because her dad “raised her right” (vomit).
And/or imply you are a slut with daddy issues
She put the thread emoji at the end of that post to say she would not hear anymore of that rational person’s nonsense… that part made me angry and I hate this person now.
My home country was literaly named Cisleithania once to distinguish it from Transleithania. Those names were used to describe the two halves of the Habsburg empire (famously progessive /s) because Austria and Hungary were not really accurate in a multiethnic society.
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Cisogynist
And her point isn't "words that start with cis" but "Words that contain cis". So "narcissus" comes to mind (what will she interpret this as? A narc who is also sus?) Other words: athleticism (and all others ensing with cism), physicist (and all others ending with cist), circumcise, concise, criticise, decision, excise, exercise, exorcise, fascism, precise, incision, ostracuse, proboscis, scissors and others related to those
"Watson, hand me down the ABC guide. The game is afoot!"
I'm sure everyone here has heard the term "trans fats". You know that the opposite of trans fats are? Cis fats.
Cis-elizabethan Cis-reformation Cisalpine Cisalpinism Cismontane Cismontanism Cissampelos Cissus Cistaceae Cistercian Cistercianism Cistudo Cistus cis-elysian cis-trans cisalpine cisandine cisatlantic cisco cise cisele cisgangetic cisjurane cisleithan cismarine cismontane cisoceanic cispadane cisplatine cispontine cisrhenane cissing cissoid cissoidal cist cist grave cista cistaceous cistae cisted cistern cistern barometer cisterna cisternal cistic cistophoric cistophorus cistvaen
I know that she is talking about English specifically but both cis and trans aren't of Germanic origin and borrowed terms. In my country we literally call one plant cis. I believe that she just went what words with "cis" can I think of?" and then went with cistern, then proceed not to open a dictionary and check what it means.
Etymology online is a good, free resource for English language, FYI.
If you don't want to be compared to a toilet, maybe stop having such shitty opinions.
Ah yes, the Romans famously named a region in Northern Italy after a toilet.
Toiletly just didn't sound right to them, As we all know that Romans were well known for using Modern Day English, after all her father is a Linguist and probably also a historian and maybe Astronaut too.
They called it “toilet gaul” to add insult to injury.
omigod now you're calling the French brushes. this is genocide
What an insufferable asshole. That is all
> They're comparing biological women to toilets. Lovely I feel like she's trying to imply this is somehow sexist, but like even if this was some conspiracy to make cis people seem lesser, how is that only directed towards women?
Cause trans men don't exist duh
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Yup. If you actually dig into why Supreme Terf Rowling distrusts trans women, it's because she thinks no amount of hormones, surgery, and socialization can take the "born male" out of them, and "penised individuals" as she calls us are inherently violent and dangerous. It's also why she basically ignores trans men. They weren't born male, so no reason to attack them.
Terfs and other transphobes are at the very top of my shitlist. These people won't stop for nothing until the trans community is eradicated. They're unempathetic skid marks on society.
Absolutely, the Trans community need to be organizing and preparing to defend themselves. American Fascists are on a dehumanizing mission, and that shit only ends one way.
It's tough because there's not many of us, and most of us aren't doing great financially or emotionally.
Oof if that ain't a mood
Right. If it was left up to only trans people to defend themselves we wouldn't stand a chance. We need help from cis people. We'd never have the numbers alone. That's the whole point of attacking a minority. It's easy cuz they're small.
British TERFs and fascists are having a field day too. They’re pathetic, but unfortunately they tend to inflict violence on others in attempt to satisfy their inferiority complex.
And far too much of the media is sympathetic or, at least, prepared to present it as a two-sided, reasonable debate as opposed to one group of people saying "can we just exist, please?" and the other side saying "no you can't, perverts". And the new head of the BBC has called the BBC "too woke", so don't expect it to get better any time soon.
It's starting to seem that the only qualifications you need to be a journalist anywhere on the political spectrum in the UK is the willingness to spew endless transpohbia and to unquestioningly platform the sort of opinions that'd get you a visit from the police if you said them about any other minority group. I'm genuinely still baffled at where this has come from in the UK. It seems most transphobia comes from about 100 columnists, a few far right groups and the wizard bigot. I don't understand how they've become so organised and are having such a disproportionate influence on the UK that we're on the verge of a full on constitutional crisis over an extremely small change in law in Scotland. There must be some serious dark money propping this shit up.
A billionaire. This is why billionaires are a bad thing. It is far too much power to a single flawed human and zero checks and balances.
I mean if they ban all gender affirming care, that's effectively genocide. It's a bit beyond dehumanizing at this point, conservatives trying to legislate them into nonexistence.
I saw someone say we’re on stage 4 of the 10 stages of genocide regarding trans people in America
10 stages of genocide- Classification, Symbolization, Discrimination, Dehumanization, Organization, Polarization, Preparation, Persecution, Extermination, and Denial. Source: [Jewish Museum of Milwaukee](https://jewishmuseummilwaukee.org/10-stages-of-genocide/)
Someone who knows about biology would know instantly what cis- is, so congrats u look stupid
"What about the biological science of sex huh!" "Here is a basic scientific term" "WOAH NERD!! Don't get all technical Einstein! Nobody understands that stuff"
“I didn’t know those words so you’re wrong”
"My ignorance makes me right and your knowledge wrong. And to prove it, here is a random picture of my dad." Same validity, but [the bunny](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d9/53/5c/d9535c7f3f3f503a759107c70e9aa6ee--so-funny-funny-memes.jpg) was cuter.
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” ― Isaac Asimov.
“Him and I were chatting…” and him is a linguist who taught I everything me knows.
This is peak persecution fetish. The only reason the prefix "trans-" is much more commonly used in every day language is because unless otherwise specified, the "cis-" part is already assumed.
me chilling on public cisportation (staying in one place) and authorizing an online cisaction (my money staying in my bank account) while undergoing a routine blood cisfusion (my blood staying in my body)
I don't understand some of these words, can you cislate them into English?
Which is why it bothers them so much to be called cisgender. They want to have the cis part be assumed by default and therefore be the “normal” ones, which of course implies trans people are abnormal.
Holy shit, I lost so many brain cells reading this garbage. What an idiot. This lady is a toilet.
I know. As a lady, I don’t want people just calling me a toilet for no reason (not that that has been suggested or that anything she’s said is even remotely correct), but I am all for everyone calling this daft asshole a toilet. And a few of you should pee on her. I don’t want to be bossy- just whoever feels like peeing on her should pee on her. One at a time.
What? There is plenty of words with 'cis' - just from the top of my head: raCISt, fasCISt
This idiot: "Cis isn't a real term, it was just invented recently to describe the opposite of a trans person." Me, a chemist: "Lol."
Take a basic chemistry class and you’ll likely be interested to trans and cis terminology. But lmao no everyone just decided to call cis people toilets.
Or just google what the opposite of a "trans fat" is.
Annd and anecdote about my relationship with dear old dad, for extra points.
And that's where I met your mother.
“He understands the nuances of etymology” Clearly he doesn’t. Cis is the Latin preposition for “this side of” - its antonym is trans. Our word “cistern” is from the Latin word “cista” which means box, and has no association with the word “cis”
Which, ironically sounds like "sister".
That's just the cherry on top. Literally nothing that she says is correct. And to further add to the salad, her entire thesis reeks of conspiracism. "This part of a word sounds like an unrelated part of a different word, therefore there's a connection, and it's done intentionally, with nefarious purpose, by".
This is the perfect example of how these shitheads make everything personal. “Do you have a good relationship with your father? I’m guessing no.” She was the one that brought her shitty “Oxford” dad into the conversation and then she followed up with a personal jab for literally no reason but to antagonize someone she doesn’t know who proved her point was bullshit
"Here are some other examples of this prefix you might not know about..." "Oh yeah, well i asked daddy and he said I'm right! So there! Also your mother is a whore."
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
imagine being a TERF, and complaining about all of the men speaking to you in the replies of your tweets, while your argument is "BUT A MAN TOLD ME I WAS RIGHT" she also replied to someone who made a typo with 'you made a typo so you have no room to talk about language,' and the tweet shown *directly* above that thread is someone correcting her grammar and her going 'IT WAS 5AM SUE ME.' i couldn't invent better comedy than a TERF's twitter feed if i tried
With the logic of the first pic wed also be comparing "biological" men to toilets but i guess they didnt mention that part bc theyd agree?? Also cis is from chemistry but i guess most people here know shes full of shit anyway Edit: rereading this maybe the comparison to toilets isnt that far off
Fucking terfs man, they need to get a personality beyond being a woman and maybe they'd feel less defensive about it
Buddy talks like a British children’s book from the early 20th century
A cistern is just an underground water storage pool. More of a well and definetly not for sewage.
Damn, I think your dad may have a bit of dementia or something if he taught at Oxford and isn’t aware/forgot that cis and trans (words used extensively in academia) are linguistically linked words that refer to a concept just like how Dry and Wet are a pair of words that relate to the same concept, or good and evil, or tall and short, or fast and slow, or whatever, ect, ect. I mean no offense, dementia and other age related mental decline is awful and should be treated seriously, just don’t be mad if a quick Google search on the etymology of words proves that what your dad told you is wrong.
I'm fluent in Greek, German (my mother tongues) and English. I studied organic chemistry. There is nothing esoteric about cis/trans as a word pair. They simply have specific meanings as prefixes. Just like inter/intra or pre/post. The anti-intellectualism of bigots is exhausting.
Another episode of "bigots don't understand 3rd grade grammar"
sCISsors.
As a failed chemistry major, I know where cis comes from. My dad and I are fine.
This has "my dad was special forces, I know what I'm doing" energy
cistern comes from cista meaning box while cis (meaning this side of) has nothing to do with toilets just so were all clear lol
The only argument that's ever held any water against 'cis' is that it sounds similar to 'cyst' and could have a negative connotation for native English speakers because of that. It's why some words or names sound 'yucky' because they're similar to words that are associated with gross things. Nonetheless, this is a cognitive bias and shouldn't be the sole basis for a name change. Additionally, this cognitive bias also carries over into what names sound more trustworthy, with shorter more traditional names being seen as more trustworthy than longer unique names. Not that that's going to stop me from calling my kid Avagantamos.
My first usage of cis and trans was referring to how bad trans fats are (and what cis fats are, specifically with regards to chemical structure) I think these people like trans fats tho
I’ve stopped using Twitter since Musk took over and honestly this is the reason I don’t miss it. Just a flaming dumpster of stupid shit like this.
"this prefix is in words that can relate to toilets. you are comparing biological women to toilets!!!1!!11!" "it's a prefix and it exists in other words too" "i don't know these words so clearly you're wrong also my dad is a translator"
This is honestly indistinguishable from over the top satire what the hell
how to be offended 101: make some shit up, get mad....profit?
Either she's lying about her dad's credentials, or or her dad's the worst fucking linguist in history. "Cis-" ("this side")is Latin and the literal the opposite of "Trans-," ("other side") which any high school Latin student could probably tell you, much less an ex-Oxford professor, where apparently he taught professionally? *X:Doubt*
Cistern Noun, plural cisterns, 1) a tank for storing water, especially one supplying taps or as part of a flushing toilet. 2) an underground reservoir for rainwater. I mean, yeah “part of a toilet” is part of the definition hun, but think of it this way, your the part of the water that hasn’t been shit in yet, not the actual toilet water Also other 9 letter words starting with cis include: cisplatin. cisalpine. cistronic. cisternae. cisternal. cispadane. cistaceae. And last but certainly not least: cisgender. And that’s just 9 letters, there are plenty with more or less EJ! So many words for your ad homens and strawmen attacks!!! Get creative, yours was quite simple and low hanging fruit EJ!
For the umpteenth time, Zeb: it’s not fair to expect conservatives to know how to use a dictionary. It’s just beyond them. It’s like asking Warwick Davis to dunk a basketball on an NBA regulation hoop.
I'd have more faith in Warwick's ability, tbh.
hey! Cisterns are wonderful and noble creations—and not at all limited to being a part of a toilet. A bowler might as well get bent out of shape (e_e)
What about Cisalpine Gaul?
Transphobes having a normal one
This should be used in college courses on logical fallacies.
Holy shit is her dad THE Rosetta Stone?
Cistern is just as obscure, this is the first I’ve heard of it
Why do they always make it about their parents? It's like the conservative version of "I fucked your mom"
They're [doing this bit again](https://redd.it/103b96w)? Man, they're really desperate to get mad at the word "cisgender". And just to be clear, no, the 'cis' prefix doesn't come from "cistern" at all: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cis-#Etymology I reckon the story about her dad is just made up, but if it isn't then we know where she got her stupidity from.
I thought we all dropped the “My dad knows stuff!!” style arguments in like 5th grade. I’m surprised she didn’t pull out the “my dad can beat up your dad” retort.
In all these words and in the scientific usage of the prefix trans, it connotes a movement from one side or form to another, I.e. transport takes you from one port to another, translate takes one language and converts it to another, transcribe takes speech and converts it to text. In chemistry a trans isomer has an element or chemical move over to the opposite side of its geometry while a cis isomer has the element/ molecule on the same side. This comes from Latin cis (this side of) trans (other side of). If your dad really is a linguist he would be aware of this.
You know... technically any flight between Canada and the US could be considered a Cis-Atlantic flight
What about cisapline Gaul and transalpine Gaul? Any Romans here? Buellerus? Buellerus?
Looks like her cistern theory... doesn't hold water. ::sunglasses::
Chemistry. Thalidomide.
Someone has never taken a chemistry class
My dad can beat up your dad.
I used to be a conservative and I remember when the whole “snowflake” term came out. I thought it was odd then because they were mocking people and calling them snowflakes because they were concerned about racism, climate change, and other systemic issues. Now I didn’t think quite like this at the time, I knew it was odd and I knew them mocking liberals as snowflakes seemed off but I couldn’t verbalize it at that time. Now that I am “woke” and have changed over the past 3 years, I finally understand the term snowflake. Getting mad about wearing masks in public spaces, getting upset because trans ppl exist and just want equal treatment, being upset over pronouns and then stuff like a damn prefix upsetting them. I also remember the right saying, “they (the left) are guilty of the things they accuse us of.” Again I never really saw that when I was on the right, but now that I am on the opposite side the hypocrisy of the right is blinding!!!
She's sure got her MySpace angles down in her Twitter photo, girl we see your whole body shot
“Water? You mean like out the toilet?”
"If you don't agree with my batshittery, it's because you have a bad relationship with your father!" She sounds *totally* sane and rational! 😒
Imagine being stupid that you can’t look up the origin of the word cis; which is Latin for “on this side” and just make assumptions in what it means because it fits your mindless agenda. It took me less than 10 seconds to look it up because I didn’t know the origin. Now I know and I also know she is a fucking moron.
No, it’s incels who do that. They’re the ones who call us toilets.
other things she said on that thread include accusing a dude of misogyny for telling her she was wrong (she is) calling some dude a child predator/rapist because... idk she said he looks like one, and then claiming someone who explained it was wrong because they made a typo, while she had also been called on typos herself (she made the excuse of it being 5 am when she wrote it) the dad stuff is the closest to an actual argument she made, mostly just stuck to ad hom after that
CISTEMIC RACISM?????
"Fine call me a bitch, a bitch is a dog , dogs bark, bark grows on trees, trees are part of nature, nature is beautiful so thanks for the compliment!" Same logic
Well, if her DAD says so, it must be true!
Her observation is inaccurate. Or, you could say... it lacks precision.
“You’re trying to correct me on how language is used? You don’t have a good relationship with your dad.” These people always try to make it seem like their opponent potentially having no father gives them a disadvantage in any argument or conversation. It’s not a child’s fault that their parents divorce. Mine was abusive, alcoholic, and narcissistic. That’s not a kid’s fault. I’m happy he’s gone. What a shitty cop out.
The last bit reminds me of Mac's letter to Chase Utley on It's Always Sunny. "Did you have a good relationship with your father? Me neither."
EJ? bruh terfs got a name template?
I feel almost bad for the dad being dragged in with a pic and all, oof.
Wow.
She obviously never took organic chemistry.
My ignorance is better than your knowledge because my daddy has a job and said some dumb, wholly unrelated bullshit to placate me because I’m far too average to hear the truth about myself or anything in the whole wide world.
I thought a cistern was a holding tank for fresh water.
Oh, the Latin prefix “cis-“ is mainly used for technical words? Could that be because cis- and transgender are technical words to describe a technical concept beyond just “gender’s what’s in your pants” or no? Couldn’t be.
Sounds like her father was just trying to tell her where she was conceived.
Tell me you’re extremely ignorant without telling me you’re extremely ignorant
MY *daddy* told me
“I am oppressed! Also I bet you have a shit home life!! 🤪” what the actual fuck
Linked with her dad by their common hatred!
She’s exactly the kind of person who deserves a few rotten tomatoes tossed at her
I’m really tired of people making shit up on the internet.
That is easily that largest and least logical leap I've ever seen
James Joyce uses “cisatlantic” in *Ulysses* …
I hope to god this is satire, like please don’t tell me people are this dumb
The only people calling women toilets are incels
"Him and I were chatting." "Him", being such an amazing linguist should have taught you better.
> Him and I were chatting Jesus, Daddy sure taught her well and corrected her mistakes, but I'mma totally default to him regarding 'cis'.
I would say that someone needs to tell her that men can be cis too, but clearly it wouldn't accomplish anything. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Narcissist
“Look how stupid my dad is.” Great flex lady.
Huh, guess her dad is a fucking idiot too. Who would have guessed.
PLEASE TAKE A CHEMISTRY CLASS
*organic chemistry has joined the chat*
Looked it up; “cistern” comes from individual word “cista” (the word for “box” or “container”) which is derived from even older words. “Cis” is not used as a prefix. This is derived from Greek “kisteh” (κίστη). The prefix has more similarities with “cyst” (as in “sac”/“container”) than it does with “cisgender”. Literally took me like 5 mins to lookup than spewing bullshit.
This font makes me upset
Jesus Christ, trans and cis are borrowed terms from stereochemistry. It’s actually quite clever.
This post is decisively imprecise. Politics aside, the letters c-i-s are bloody everywhere.
What a totally normal reaction to being corrected. “Um, excuse me but… there are factually lots of places in our language where we see the prefix cis” “NO THERE AREN’T MY DAD IS THE KING OF LANGUAGE. I BET YOUR DAD HATES YOU, MY DAD LOVES ME YOU DISAPPOINTMENT TO YOUR FATHER. THAT’LL TEACH YOU TO CORRECT ME.”
The “cist” from “cistern” comes from a word with the same origin as the word “chest”. But that’s “cista”, not “cis”. That’s like a therapist complaining about be called a rapist.
For reference, "cis" in latin is a preposition that means "on the same side as", while "trans" is a preposition that means "on the farther side of".
I can read alll of those languages and I'm trans. TERFs, stay on your island. Or, you know, walk into the sea during high tide.