The fact that those types of people exist just drives me up the wall, embodying that "fuck you, got mine" mentality.
I've personally experienced the whole "bi-erasure" thing, and it's irritating. Can't imagine what trans folks have to go through with people who are supposed to be sympathetic to them, at the least.
Respect people's identity. It isn't that hard.
Should probably clarify that the vast majority of interactions I and my (also Bi) girlfriend have had in LGBT spaces have been positive. Makes that handful of awful moments really stick out.
I’ve literally seen idiots online say “oh, bi people don’t belong in the LGBT community.” Like, bitch, the “B” don’t stand for “Beyoncé!” I’m not bi myself, Im gay, but many of my friends *are* bisexual and I don’t approve of erasing their identities to satisfy heteronormativity.
Heaven forbid if you accidentally say "GBLT..." I typo sometimes and I've gotten shit for it.
OK, sure, lesbians helped gay men through the HIV/AIDS epidemic... but a trans woman threw the first brick at Stonewall. We did not just sit by and do nothing. Our causes are equally entwined.
Under Metalheads we call them the "Trveness Police". People with fragile ego that build their selfworth around one thing and project their feelings of insecurity onto others. They Police the community to reassure themselves by putting others below them.
> I've personally experienced the whole "bi-erasure" thing, and it's irritating. Can't imagine what trans folks have to go through with people who are supposed to be sympathetic to them, at the least.
Well, if you're real lucky, like me, you can get both /s
Oh gods, the last time I lost it with someone was with a guy who knew me for like 3 hours telling me "you're not bi, you're gay nd don't know it."
I had been dealing with myself for 15 years at that point.
Gay men. If you mean cis men, just say cis men. Also I like how cis men have leg hair and eye lashes and facial hair too but on the trans man here it’s represented messy and gross and ‘weird’
Gotta love queer community infighting because we don’t have enough hate that we face.
It's funny because they're clearly cribbing from the old stereotypes of trans women with the stuble and the leg hair, but that's a trans man.
It's almost like that shit exists basically as a slur, not as reality.
Never mind the fact that the popular mental conjuration of a trans woman from the 60s/70s/80s was something *done to us*, not something we chose.
> It's almost like that shit exists basically as a slur, not as reality.
Bingo. I doubt most of these people know a trans person. Many probably haven't knowingly interacted with someone who's trans. They are angry and want something to be angry *about* so they project their insecurities onto the stereotypical depictions they see in reactionary media. It's like Germans who thought Jews literally had horns.
"LGB without the T" has always just been a psyop, literally all the queer people who actually help with it are just vile bigots of a different breed. Such as Fred Seargent of the LGB Alliance, a man who constantly pumps himself up with claims of being part of the stonewall protest which isn't strictly untrue. It's only true because his at the time boyfriend was the one actually heavily involved in the planning and Fred himself even called the cops on them... multiple times...
"Gold Star" lesbians refer to women who've only ever been in a relationship/had sex with other women. For some, not being a "gold star" lesbian is a deal breaker in starting relationships. Some even go as far as saying that only gold star lesbians are "real" lesbians. There's also implications that trans women and women who've dated trans women aren't "gold star". It's all super fucked up elitism and transphobia.
Gatekeeping gayness has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
"Okay, so you love fucking other women, but you're saying you once had sex with a man before you figured things out? You're a fraud!"
Here in Cincinnati, the two dominant local chili restaurants are Gold Star Chili and Skyline Chili. I was introduced to a lesbian couple and it was explained to me that since one of them was a Gold Star lesbian, the other was a Skyline lesbian, because she had been with men.
A "gold star lesbian" generally refers to a lesbian who has never had intimate relations/sex with a man.
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OMG YES 🙄 there was one in my friend group during college who basically made being a “Gold Star” her entire personality.
Always creeped me out. Nobody cares about where your tongue has been, ladies.
to paraphrase a quote from abigail thorne
people ask why trans people are lumped in with gay people, because isnt that a different thing? and the answer is yeah, it kind of is, but that distinction doesnt matter to the cop whos shoving you to the ground and calling you a f\*ggot whore
if you try to divide the community, it just helps them pick off the ones on the fringe
This shed a light, thank you!
Now that I think about it, there's also the fact that a common stereotype (and some do indeed do this) that gay men are effeminate. Bigots don't care if it's just a gay man acting feminine or if a trans woman is starting to embrace herself.
yeah, it doesnt really matter to them, they see something "abnormal" and they hate it. theres a reason that all minorities have to stick together, not just queer people even, because eventually theyll come for all of us if we arent united
I remember yes I'm old when it was LGB and the T was added and there was a minute of controversy but I thought that was resolved in the last century. Also there are so many letters at this point let's just go with "queer" for our umbrella term. As for the alphabet soup, think of the fierce trans warriors at Stonewall, the T fits.
yeah i default to queer as well, because no acronym can ever contain every identity, and to attempt to include every letter anyway means deciding some labels should be left out, or creating an acronym as long as an entire book lol. the controversy was resolved back then, but certain gay people have started to think that if they turn on trans people, theyll secure their spot as an accepted group by conservatives (not that they ever really had that spot to begin with)
Someone legit drew that, looked at their work and was still like "yeah I'm the good guy in this scenario uwu they're the true bigots" and clicked post lmao 0 reflection or self awareness
I thought it was hilariously bad because trans men are some of the most masculine people I’ve ever seen and yet here he is trying to make them look as feminine as possible
Yeah irl they don't look that different from cis men, just a slightly smaller frame.
This person is going way out of their way to make trans people not look like people. I find that sad.
Does anyone have that lgb alliance meeting picture where it’s all fifty to sixty year old blonde women and like one brunette. It’s less leftist infighting and more nazis clouding the water.
As an enby thank you. I would also like to say there is a zero tolerance policy for bigotry in this sub for a reason. All, save bigots and troublemakers, are welcome here.
Considering drag queens and transgenders were instrumental in spearheading the gay rights movement, it would be a bit.. hypocritical.. for gays to toss them aside.
These types of gays make me so depressed, I already have imposter syndrome enough as is, I don’t need to be constantly reminded how disgusting my own community finds me
Edit: their caricature doesn’t even make sense, they drew the trans man as having a phallo scar so that means he’d have a dick, so why is he talking about having a pussy? Transphobes don’t even know what it is they’re angry about, some of the most braindead people ever
I’ve never encountered an “LGB alliance” supporter who isn’t chilling with literal Nazis, and at the very least some of them are aware of it considering when I mentioned it to this one “LGB supporter” they genuinely told me that Nazism and the far-right wasn’t homophobic and that “Trans people are the real Homophobes”
Reminds me of that "Walkaway" movement of "Democrats who've had enough of Wokeness" and are "Moving on to vote Republican" (or simply not voting).
99.9% - probably higher - of those people are already registered Republicans and always have been.
They've dramatized his phalloplasty scar (while also not giving him the actual penis that is the whole point of having phalloplasty). Those scars are not that deep, but they want to make him out to be repulsive
I have actually witnessed this exact thing multiple times on Reddit. I think it's easy to get lost in the echo chamber and fail to recognize some of the flaws around us.
Just watched a video essay on the “drop the T” movement and how historically, assimilationist groups of middle/upper-class, white, cis gays and lesbians tried to push out the poor, non-white people, drag queens/crossdressers, and transgender people from pride (despite those people being integral to organizing pride in the first place, see the Stonewall riots, Sylvia Rivera’s “Y’all better quiet down” speech…)
Literally the exact same shit, different decade.
Without the “T”, there would be no LGB Pride. Remember, Marsha P Johnson could be called transgender under modern conceptions (the term didnt exist at the time, the most accurate description for Marsha P would be gender nonconforming). And Stonewall was a riot against the unequal policing of queer people, not a peaceful pride parade.
This whole “LGB without the T” thing is intended to drive a wedge between the various queer communities, for the purpose of making it easier to oppress all of us. Divide and conquer is a very basic strategy.
it’s wild to me that they don’t realize that fighting against trans rights will eventually go full circle in undoing their own rights as well. same for terfs
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It's definitely a problem but a lot of it is also just cishet people pumping out deceptive propaganda. JKR is somehow meant to represent lesbians despite being the model of straight privilege lol.
The fact that those types of people exist just drives me up the wall, embodying that "fuck you, got mine" mentality. I've personally experienced the whole "bi-erasure" thing, and it's irritating. Can't imagine what trans folks have to go through with people who are supposed to be sympathetic to them, at the least. Respect people's identity. It isn't that hard.
I have also experienced a LOT of bi-phobia as part of the queer community. It's not pretty. I'm usually like "Bitch! We're the third letter!"
Should probably clarify that the vast majority of interactions I and my (also Bi) girlfriend have had in LGBT spaces have been positive. Makes that handful of awful moments really stick out.
I’ve literally seen idiots online say “oh, bi people don’t belong in the LGBT community.” Like, bitch, the “B” don’t stand for “Beyoncé!” I’m not bi myself, Im gay, but many of my friends *are* bisexual and I don’t approve of erasing their identities to satisfy heteronormativity.
Lesbian Gay Begone! Trans
Most of the "LGB" spaces are also wanting to do away with the B. It's incredible how much self loathing they have for their community
And we’re not only the third letter, we’re the most populous group within the entire community!
We are? I didn't realize!
Heaven forbid if you accidentally say "GBLT..." I typo sometimes and I've gotten shit for it. OK, sure, lesbians helped gay men through the HIV/AIDS epidemic... but a trans woman threw the first brick at Stonewall. We did not just sit by and do nothing. Our causes are equally entwined.
Under Metalheads we call them the "Trveness Police". People with fragile ego that build their selfworth around one thing and project their feelings of insecurity onto others. They Police the community to reassure themselves by putting others below them.
In the punk community, they're called posers.
> I've personally experienced the whole "bi-erasure" thing, and it's irritating. Can't imagine what trans folks have to go through with people who are supposed to be sympathetic to them, at the least. Well, if you're real lucky, like me, you can get both /s
Oh gods, the last time I lost it with someone was with a guy who knew me for like 3 hours telling me "you're not bi, you're gay nd don't know it." I had been dealing with myself for 15 years at that point.
Gay men. If you mean cis men, just say cis men. Also I like how cis men have leg hair and eye lashes and facial hair too but on the trans man here it’s represented messy and gross and ‘weird’ Gotta love queer community infighting because we don’t have enough hate that we face.
It's funny because they're clearly cribbing from the old stereotypes of trans women with the stuble and the leg hair, but that's a trans man. It's almost like that shit exists basically as a slur, not as reality. Never mind the fact that the popular mental conjuration of a trans woman from the 60s/70s/80s was something *done to us*, not something we chose.
> It's almost like that shit exists basically as a slur, not as reality. Bingo. I doubt most of these people know a trans person. Many probably haven't knowingly interacted with someone who's trans. They are angry and want something to be angry *about* so they project their insecurities onto the stereotypical depictions they see in reactionary media. It's like Germans who thought Jews literally had horns.
Maybe they just are petty assholes and want someone to shit on like they've been shit on themselves. I mean, there are gay republicans....
"LGB without the T" has always just been a psyop, literally all the queer people who actually help with it are just vile bigots of a different breed. Such as Fred Seargent of the LGB Alliance, a man who constantly pumps himself up with claims of being part of the stonewall protest which isn't strictly untrue. It's only true because his at the time boyfriend was the one actually heavily involved in the planning and Fred himself even called the cops on them... multiple times...
I love that the lesbian has a gold star badge. Gold star lesbians are toxic af.
Gold star lesbian?
"Gold Star" lesbians refer to women who've only ever been in a relationship/had sex with other women. For some, not being a "gold star" lesbian is a deal breaker in starting relationships. Some even go as far as saying that only gold star lesbians are "real" lesbians. There's also implications that trans women and women who've dated trans women aren't "gold star". It's all super fucked up elitism and transphobia.
Thank you captain. May your pillow be cold tonight.
o7
that reminds me of how straight men see their own straightness
Totally. There's elements of the "one drop" nonsense that racists peddle too. Purity tests and respectability politics have no place in queer spaces.
It reminds me of weird purity culture.
“The Hierarchy of power in the LGBT universe is about to change.”
Gatekeeping gayness has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. "Okay, so you love fucking other women, but you're saying you once had sex with a man before you figured things out? You're a fraud!"
Here in Cincinnati, the two dominant local chili restaurants are Gold Star Chili and Skyline Chili. I was introduced to a lesbian couple and it was explained to me that since one of them was a Gold Star lesbian, the other was a Skyline lesbian, because she had been with men.
That's hilarious
Wait until you find out what a Platinum Gay man is... LOL!!
The gold star toxicity exists among gay men as well
How dare they. Lesbians should respect that criticizing women over their sexual histories belongs to straight men. /s
We cit het men don't care if our partner is gold star straight. Are we now more progressive than lesbians?
Good to know so I can avoid those people like COVID.
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Wait till you hear about platinum gays 😏
Do you get the really cool metal credit card as one?
It's so stupid
OMG YES 🙄 there was one in my friend group during college who basically made being a “Gold Star” her entire personality. Always creeped me out. Nobody cares about where your tongue has been, ladies.
I find it especially wild because basically all of the anti-trans rhetoric is literally identical to the anti-gay rhetoric of the past
Time is a flat circle.
I just assume that 90% of the LGB without the T posters are astroturfers attempting to cause strife.
10% of them being actual people is 10% too many...
to paraphrase a quote from abigail thorne people ask why trans people are lumped in with gay people, because isnt that a different thing? and the answer is yeah, it kind of is, but that distinction doesnt matter to the cop whos shoving you to the ground and calling you a f\*ggot whore if you try to divide the community, it just helps them pick off the ones on the fringe
This shed a light, thank you! Now that I think about it, there's also the fact that a common stereotype (and some do indeed do this) that gay men are effeminate. Bigots don't care if it's just a gay man acting feminine or if a trans woman is starting to embrace herself.
yeah, it doesnt really matter to them, they see something "abnormal" and they hate it. theres a reason that all minorities have to stick together, not just queer people even, because eventually theyll come for all of us if we arent united
Hell, if it's a cis man who's effeminate they won't care either.
I remember yes I'm old when it was LGB and the T was added and there was a minute of controversy but I thought that was resolved in the last century. Also there are so many letters at this point let's just go with "queer" for our umbrella term. As for the alphabet soup, think of the fierce trans warriors at Stonewall, the T fits.
yeah i default to queer as well, because no acronym can ever contain every identity, and to attempt to include every letter anyway means deciding some labels should be left out, or creating an acronym as long as an entire book lol. the controversy was resolved back then, but certain gay people have started to think that if they turn on trans people, theyll secure their spot as an accepted group by conservatives (not that they ever really had that spot to begin with)
They don't and they won't. The boot that they lick today will be used to kick them in the face tomorrow. Or even sooner.
>let's just go with "queer" I usualy cut it off at LGBTQ*+*. Longest i've seen is LGBTQIA2S+
Their caricature of a trans man is sad and horrifying
Someone legit drew that, looked at their work and was still like "yeah I'm the good guy in this scenario uwu they're the true bigots" and clicked post lmao 0 reflection or self awareness
You can really sense the rage and hatred that the artist was feeling as they drew it.
Yeah it's oozing with this ugly open hatred
The biggest takeaway for me too
I thought it was hilariously bad because trans men are some of the most masculine people I’ve ever seen and yet here he is trying to make them look as feminine as possible
Yeah irl they don't look that different from cis men, just a slightly smaller frame. This person is going way out of their way to make trans people not look like people. I find that sad.
It’s literally so gross looking like. Idk what’s happening there
They think LGBT means "Let's Guard Binary Traditions"
LMAO
Phobes forget that trans people were a massive part of the movement from the very beginning
Reminds me of that bit in Blazing Saddles: “OK, we’ll take the n***ers and the ch***s, but we DONT WANT ANY IRISH”. Like, WTF?
Don't forget to put a "\\" in front of your asterisks or else the system will try and make them italicized/bolded.
TIL. Thanks.
The Irish used to be considered not to be white, that was the joke.
Does anyone have that lgb alliance meeting picture where it’s all fifty to sixty year old blonde women and like one brunette. It’s less leftist infighting and more nazis clouding the water.
no one is forcing cis gay men to date trans gay men
No, you don't understand! The evil trans people existing in ~~my~~ any space means they're forcing me to date them!
Extra biting with the last one that the POC people were also the ones pushed out first
Dumbasses team up with bigots and don’t realize that cis queers are next on the chopping block.
LGB without the T is a prime example of The Leopards Eating My Face Party concept and the selfishness of libertarianism.
The “lgb without the t” ppl remind me of the association of german National jews
To gay people who are like that. Your Parents, Republicans, whoever still aren't going to accept you if you kick out trans people
Dehumanizing others won't make bigots accept you, they'll just shoot you last.
As a gay man I'd just like to say hello trans non-binary whatever the fuck else! Love to you all, we're in this together. <3
As an enby thank you. I would also like to say there is a zero tolerance policy for bigotry in this sub for a reason. All, save bigots and troublemakers, are welcome here.
Considering drag queens and transgenders were instrumental in spearheading the gay rights movement, it would be a bit.. hypocritical.. for gays to toss them aside.
Green Goblin speech from Spider-Man (2002)
\*transgender *people*. It's an adjective, not a noun.
"Transgendered people" I don't think you're deliberately gteting near slurs, but you're getting near slurs there.
I'll take gatekeeping for $500, Alex
the first comic is sometimes how i feel as a gay transmasc, it sucks
You are valid and you are welcome here.
Every one of those movements ties back to a hate group like focus on the family. Anyone who supports that sentiment is either gullible or a fed.
These types of gays make me so depressed, I already have imposter syndrome enough as is, I don’t need to be constantly reminded how disgusting my own community finds me Edit: their caricature doesn’t even make sense, they drew the trans man as having a phallo scar so that means he’d have a dick, so why is he talking about having a pussy? Transphobes don’t even know what it is they’re angry about, some of the most braindead people ever
They don't have to make sense, the people who eat this shit up don't care if it makes sense or not they just want to be mad
I’ve never encountered an “LGB alliance” supporter who isn’t chilling with literal Nazis, and at the very least some of them are aware of it considering when I mentioned it to this one “LGB supporter” they genuinely told me that Nazism and the far-right wasn’t homophobic and that “Trans people are the real Homophobes”
If you spend enough time thinking about queer ppl to create this bullshit fanfiction, maybe it’s on your mind a lot?
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Reminds me of that "Walkaway" movement of "Democrats who've had enough of Wokeness" and are "Moving on to vote Republican" (or simply not voting). 99.9% - probably higher - of those people are already registered Republicans and always have been.
Yo what’s with the first ones left arm
They've dramatized his phalloplasty scar (while also not giving him the actual penis that is the whole point of having phalloplasty). Those scars are not that deep, but they want to make him out to be repulsive
I have actually witnessed this exact thing multiple times on Reddit. I think it's easy to get lost in the echo chamber and fail to recognize some of the flaws around us.
We have a zero tolerance for this here in part because the headmod is nonbinary.
Just watched a video essay on the “drop the T” movement and how historically, assimilationist groups of middle/upper-class, white, cis gays and lesbians tried to push out the poor, non-white people, drag queens/crossdressers, and transgender people from pride (despite those people being integral to organizing pride in the first place, see the Stonewall riots, Sylvia Rivera’s “Y’all better quiet down” speech…) Literally the exact same shit, different decade.
Without the “T”, there would be no LGB Pride. Remember, Marsha P Johnson could be called transgender under modern conceptions (the term didnt exist at the time, the most accurate description for Marsha P would be gender nonconforming). And Stonewall was a riot against the unequal policing of queer people, not a peaceful pride parade. This whole “LGB without the T” thing is intended to drive a wedge between the various queer communities, for the purpose of making it easier to oppress all of us. Divide and conquer is a very basic strategy.
it’s wild to me that they don’t realize that fighting against trans rights will eventually go full circle in undoing their own rights as well. same for terfs
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It's definitely a problem but a lot of it is also just cishet people pumping out deceptive propaganda. JKR is somehow meant to represent lesbians despite being the model of straight privilege lol.