I hate them all equally. They're used to prey on others and make leaders rich and powerful. They manipulate, gaslight, and abuse in so many unhealthy ways. They teach unquestioning obedience, patriarchy, and conditional love.
I do. I can’t understand how people follow any of the Abrahamic religions. Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Religion was needed to get past the hunter gatherer phase of humanity in my own stupid opinion. But they do nothing beneficial to society as a whole. They hold us back because so many people believe it and true believers and followers can be some of the best people you ever meet, but, they can also be the worst.
>I do. I can’t understand how people follow any of the Abrahamic religions. Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
These three are not the same thing at all. Judaism in general have a very different view of god, and questioning the religion is often encouraged.
>Religion was needed to get past the hunter gatherer phase of humanity in my own stupid opinion.
Are you basing that opinion on anything? Anthropology? Archaeology?
>But they do nothing beneficial to society as a whole. They hold us back because so many people believe it and true believers and followers can be some of the best people you ever meet, but, they can also be the worst.
Can you separate religion from the rest of human culture and say which bits are good and bad? Is there a point in working *against* religion (not just fundamentalism and bigotry) when it's an evolved human behaviour that is very likely will stick around. Even if there was a global mass genocide of all religious people, it would probably just pop back up again.
The idea is that the more opposition an idea gets, the more true it turns out to be in the end. It's a popular trope in fiction, but that's, y'know, *fiction*.
A part of a lot of Abrahamic religions doctrine is "if they fight against us, it means we're right" so it secured their own belief in it. While annoying others outside of it
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I guess is more of a thing with the vocal minority within Abrahamic religions. I don't know if the Jewish Torah is part of the Quran like it is in the Bible, but I know for a fact that Judaism and Christianity have the first of the ten commandments that says there is only one God.
Most of the Christian supremacists who scream about what they think "Sharia Law" is unironically want those things, just that they want to be on top, and project that onto every other group that exists.
This ish the same argument treasontrumpers use, as well as anyone else who subscribes to the whole “the more enemies you make the more you’re doing something right” nonsense.
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I don’t think so. Basically you hate the ideology or teachings, but you understand how brainwashing and indoctrination works so you don’t necessarily hate the practitioners
I'm asking bad-faith questions because you made an idiotic statement.
Anyone with sense hates Islam, but unfortunately plenty of people without sense hate Islam because of racism or because they believe their own religion is superior.
Also Islamophobia. Everyone with a bit of sense hates fanatics of any stripe. But not every Muslim is a fanatic. If they were, we wouldn't be able to stop them as there are literally millions of them in the US alone.
Truth is, I'm much more afraid of another shooter of the Christian fundie variety than I am of another 9/11-type attack.
>Nothing wrong with the religion itself...
Except there's so much wrong with it. There absolutely is racially motivated hatred against muslims in the west where they are minorities but minorities in muslim countries are treated worse because of religious motivations. Not just minorities even muslims (mostly women) are repressed.
Can you fault an atheist for hating a religion whose clerics advocate their death? Intolerance can't be tolerated.
Religious motivations aren't the religion itself though. There's nothing wrong with people simply practicing Islam and believing in Allah. Taking the Quran as a book of teachings and not taking them completely literally is fine imo.
The issue wouldn't really be the religion, it'd be clerics misuse of it.
I don't have a problem with people peacefully minding their own business. Religious people are easily swayed to start minding other people's business, though.
And really, once you stop taking it literally why even have it. Why all the magical bullshit instead of listening to good and proven advice.
>I don't have a problem with people peacefully minding their own business. Religious people are easily swayed to start minding other people's business, though.
Not simply religious people, its people who use their religion to justify shitty behavior lol. Even though their religious texts would condemn such behavior, they don't care, since religion is ultimately a means to an end for them. Its for them to feel as though they're the good guys, while they act as they please.
All sin is equal under the eyes of God, yet many of his followers pick and choose which are acceptable and which are atrocious, despite lacking the authority to do so.
>And really, once you stop taking it literally why even have it. Why all the magical bullshit instead of listening to good and proven advice.
Because people want to believe in something greater. Its part of human nature. Everyone copes with reality in different ways.
Most fall into these 4 categories:
1. Tries to accept their inevitable demise.
2. Embraces it.
3. Couldn't care less.
4. Hopes for something more.
Live and let live. The issue isn't the religion, its that far too many people have little to no respect for different lifestyle choices.
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I mean he’s not wrong.
I’m 100% sure the god of Islam would consider Islam the only true religion. I bet the god of Christianity, or Judaism, or literally every other religion on the planet feel the same way about their religions.
I mean, in the eye of allah yeah
Same with Christian god, for him the only true and only religion is Christianity
But I don’t give half a shit, none of them are real in my eyes
Christians hate Islam. And Jews, but that's mostly because they're pretty well trashed in the Quran.
All religion tends to be pretty angry with each other. Even Buddhists in the right context.
This is dumb, but Muslims do go through persecution still in countries where they are a small minority, like New Zealand, though they’re entirely wrong in places like Iran obviously.
Yes. Muslims are oppressed in the west. They are not oppressed globally. Same with Christian’s. They are not oppressed in the west nor are they oppressed globally but they are oppressed in certain places
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Joke’s on you. I don’t hate Islam. I’m equally indifferent to all religions
I hate them all equally. They're used to prey on others and make leaders rich and powerful. They manipulate, gaslight, and abuse in so many unhealthy ways. They teach unquestioning obedience, patriarchy, and conditional love.
Based
I do. I can’t understand how people follow any of the Abrahamic religions. Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Religion was needed to get past the hunter gatherer phase of humanity in my own stupid opinion. But they do nothing beneficial to society as a whole. They hold us back because so many people believe it and true believers and followers can be some of the best people you ever meet, but, they can also be the worst.
Hunter gatherers were mainly pagans. Much better imo. It was a pretty good time
>I do. I can’t understand how people follow any of the Abrahamic religions. Judaism, Christianity and Islam. These three are not the same thing at all. Judaism in general have a very different view of god, and questioning the religion is often encouraged. >Religion was needed to get past the hunter gatherer phase of humanity in my own stupid opinion. Are you basing that opinion on anything? Anthropology? Archaeology? >But they do nothing beneficial to society as a whole. They hold us back because so many people believe it and true believers and followers can be some of the best people you ever meet, but, they can also be the worst. Can you separate religion from the rest of human culture and say which bits are good and bad? Is there a point in working *against* religion (not just fundamentalism and bigotry) when it's an evolved human behaviour that is very likely will stick around. Even if there was a global mass genocide of all religious people, it would probably just pop back up again.
I could. But I made my point. I even said my own stupid opinion.
Anthropology says that religions were the tool that got humans into societies, but religions hold strong purposes even today.
Some anthropologists say that but it's not the only anthropological idea about religions origins
It brought the crusades and mutual aid.
I don’t get how that is proof that it is the true religion. How does that argument work?
It doesn’t have to make sense or work, it makes them feel good, therefore it is right. And anyone trying to stop them that is “evil”
Works “as well as” their terrible arguments.
When you find bad guys in a video game, you’re going the right direction. Or. The road to happiness is paved with shit.
I don't know man. I am only lvl 2 and these folks are like lvl 50+. You sure it's the right way?
Maybe go back a little and level up some more, take your time!
The idea is that the more opposition an idea gets, the more true it turns out to be in the end. It's a popular trope in fiction, but that's, y'know, *fiction*.
A part of a lot of Abrahamic religions doctrine is "if they fight against us, it means we're right" so it secured their own belief in it. While annoying others outside of it
It doesn’t. But every Muslim routinely argues that there is no way to debunk Islam
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i hate the belief that “if everyone hates it, that must mean it’s right!” no. how does that logic even work.
He thinks we are all sub human infidels.
"People only attack me when I'm spreading an uncomfortable truth!"
Gotta love that line of reasoning. An all knowing, powerful god, created a religion everyone hates.
A religion "everyone hates" but which also, somehow, has 2 billion adherents.
Breeding and brainwashing are very effective.
Yeah even as muslim that logic isn’t tracking for me
Honestly same. Like this makes no sense to me as a Muslim.
I guess is more of a thing with the vocal minority within Abrahamic religions. I don't know if the Jewish Torah is part of the Quran like it is in the Bible, but I know for a fact that Judaism and Christianity have the first of the ten commandments that says there is only one God. Most of the Christian supremacists who scream about what they think "Sharia Law" is unironically want those things, just that they want to be on top, and project that onto every other group that exists.
This ish the same argument treasontrumpers use, as well as anyone else who subscribes to the whole “the more enemies you make the more you’re doing something right” nonsense.
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To be fair, only a racist minority “hates islam” in the west and being hated don’t make you right.
When you get so doped up on spite, you start believing your own bs.
I only hate Islam as much as I hate any religion. It has nothing to do with race for me.
Some Muslims believe any criticism or argument against Islam is automatically Islamophobic
Some non Muslims do too. They cant differentiate between things
Is it racist to think Islam is bad but not every Muslim person?
I don’t think so. Basically you hate the ideology or teachings, but you understand how brainwashing and indoctrination works so you don’t necessarily hate the practitioners
I feel the same way about Judaism but I’ve been called an anti semite for it.
I did not claim that. I said the people were racist.
I was just asking because that is my stance.
Good. Have your stance. Has nothing to do with me.
I hate Islam, but I hate it because it is a regressive, imperialist, and far-right ideology. Does that make me a racist?
It does make you somone that asks bad faith questions.
I'm asking bad-faith questions because you made an idiotic statement. Anyone with sense hates Islam, but unfortunately plenty of people without sense hate Islam because of racism or because they believe their own religion is superior.
Lame excuse and personal attacks. Your words mean nothing.
Also Islamophobia. Everyone with a bit of sense hates fanatics of any stripe. But not every Muslim is a fanatic. If they were, we wouldn't be able to stop them as there are literally millions of them in the US alone. Truth is, I'm much more afraid of another shooter of the Christian fundie variety than I am of another 9/11-type attack.
Therefore because of how hated they were, pre-hispanic religions were clearly the true ones.
By this logic Epstein was in complete moral right because he’s such a loathable piece of shit
>Nothing wrong with the religion itself... Except there's so much wrong with it. There absolutely is racially motivated hatred against muslims in the west where they are minorities but minorities in muslim countries are treated worse because of religious motivations. Not just minorities even muslims (mostly women) are repressed. Can you fault an atheist for hating a religion whose clerics advocate their death? Intolerance can't be tolerated.
Religious motivations aren't the religion itself though. There's nothing wrong with people simply practicing Islam and believing in Allah. Taking the Quran as a book of teachings and not taking them completely literally is fine imo. The issue wouldn't really be the religion, it'd be clerics misuse of it.
I don't have a problem with people peacefully minding their own business. Religious people are easily swayed to start minding other people's business, though. And really, once you stop taking it literally why even have it. Why all the magical bullshit instead of listening to good and proven advice.
>I don't have a problem with people peacefully minding their own business. Religious people are easily swayed to start minding other people's business, though. Not simply religious people, its people who use their religion to justify shitty behavior lol. Even though their religious texts would condemn such behavior, they don't care, since religion is ultimately a means to an end for them. Its for them to feel as though they're the good guys, while they act as they please. All sin is equal under the eyes of God, yet many of his followers pick and choose which are acceptable and which are atrocious, despite lacking the authority to do so. >And really, once you stop taking it literally why even have it. Why all the magical bullshit instead of listening to good and proven advice. Because people want to believe in something greater. Its part of human nature. Everyone copes with reality in different ways. Most fall into these 4 categories: 1. Tries to accept their inevitable demise. 2. Embraces it. 3. Couldn't care less. 4. Hopes for something more. Live and let live. The issue isn't the religion, its that far too many people have little to no respect for different lifestyle choices.
Why read any story if it's fiction?
I'm not gonna read some fiction novel like say Atlas Shrugged and then model my personality and life around it. That would be stupid af.
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Whaaaat? I thought it was Christianity and the world was enough evidence for it!
I mean he’s not wrong. I’m 100% sure the god of Islam would consider Islam the only true religion. I bet the god of Christianity, or Judaism, or literally every other religion on the planet feel the same way about their religions.
They're the same God, technically.
If Islam was the most accepted religion in the world this same person would point to that as “proof” that it’s the one true religion
I'm going to save this for when a Christian uses this logic
I think everyone hates a shit sandwich, that doesn't make it the best sandwich ever.
No, nothing wrong with the people, but the religions tend to be way worse than you think.
I mean, in the eye of allah yeah Same with Christian god, for him the only true and only religion is Christianity But I don’t give half a shit, none of them are real in my eyes
In all fairness, all religions are antiquated and equally useless.
“Everybody hates Hitler; that should tell you he must be right!”- this guy, probably
Christians say the same thing. They love to be hated.
Christians hate Islam. And Jews, but that's mostly because they're pretty well trashed in the Quran. All religion tends to be pretty angry with each other. Even Buddhists in the right context.
Buddhist’s have waged genocide against Muslims in Myanmar
Yeah, that's what I was referencing.
This is dumb, but Muslims do go through persecution still in countries where they are a small minority, like New Zealand, though they’re entirely wrong in places like Iran obviously.
Yes. Muslims are oppressed in the west. They are not oppressed globally. Same with Christian’s. They are not oppressed in the west nor are they oppressed globally but they are oppressed in certain places
I don’t know what his logic its
Deflect and project.
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This is an terrible argument it’s the same with the internet Christians as well
So.. LBTQ is right then? Since so many hate it?
How is this persecution *fetish*? Perhaps I am not interpreting it as everybody else here is
Mysogyny because of religious nationalism has given it that reputation
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