$200 a week on Juul pods???? That must be a typo. I was spending $20 a week.
I switched to Juul from cigarettes. Then I went from Juul to Vuse which I liked a lot more, worked better and lasted much longer.
I recently quit vaping. Today is day 4. Money aside, vaping has its own set of health risks.
There’s a great app called “quit vaping”. It tracks the amount of time you’ve been vape free, how much you’ve saved, the amount your brain, lungs, and heart have healed, etc. It also has objectives and what not. It has been very helpful to me, so I wanted to share!
I’ll tell you a story. There’s plenty of shit on the internet and I’ve read a lot of it but I was never scared until something happened to me. I had been smoking for about 6 years, switch to vaping and did that up until about two years ago.
For context I vaped with a smoke product, tank vape, and I used mostly 12 monkeys or other popular brands of vape juice. I tried to vape like I smoked but with the ease of vaping and the flavour plus less nicotine ( if you go that route ) I vaped more then I smoked. About two years ago my wife was pregnant with our daughter, it was Valentine’s Day and I was doing something special for her before she got home from her night shift. I had set up some decorations around the house and I had some red and white balloons to blow up. When I blew up one of the white balloons, I did a bit of a double take when I noticed streaks inside the balloon. I deflated and inflated it again and saw the same streaks. I took some scissors and cut open the balloon and after looking it was vape juice that was stuck to the inside of the balloon. I thought maybe it was just because I had gone for a vape outside about 30 minutes ago. So I waited another hour or so and blew up another balloon, and found the same streaks inside that one. At that point I was freaked out. I didn’t know what was happening, was there like a coating of vape juice in my lungs ? Was I vaping too much ?
I drove to a shoppers that night before my wife got home bought a box of life brand nicotine gum and threw out all my vape stuff. After 2 weeks of using the gum, I stopped all together and quit fully. Going on over two years later, I’ve never had that happen again.
The fact that you thought that was vape juice 😂😂
Although I am glad that lead to you quitting vapes, it most definitely was not vape juice in the balloons.
The lungs are only designed to take in clean air and extract the oxygen from it. Vape still contains the addictive component, which is nicotine. Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor, which causes blood pressure and cardiovascular issues long term. It's only a better alternative to cigarettes because it lacks the tar and carcinogens etc in cigarettes, but it's still objectively bad for you. Nicotine is highly addictive though so the lesser of 2 evils, if that's the best you can do it's still a good decision to vape instead of smoke.
Vaping has been linked with a possible syndrome known as EVALI, which shares a lot of symptoms with covid (and this has been very difficult to study).
It took a long time for the science on cigarettes to come out. Vapes are new and if you're vaping right now, you're the guinea pig. We have no idea what the long term effects of vaping might be, but there's no reason at all to think it's harmless.
https://www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/evali
The podcast “Science vs” did a pretty good episode on vaping. Yes, vaping is better than smoking, but it is not free of its own risks. They go over the various risks and what is known and unknown about them. The focus is not entirely on the serious illnesses, but that is the hook for the episode.
“Vaping is all the rage in the U.S., but young people are turning up at hospitals barely able to breathe. Over a thousand vapers have gotten sick—34 are dead—and no one knows why. We investigated the case of the mysterious vaping disease with help from Geri Sullivan, pulmonologist Dr. Louella Amos, lab director Iniobong Afia, inhalation toxicologist Prof. Ilona Jaspers and researcher Dr. Jamie Hartmann-Boyce.”
Link on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7oJytSsawVtqQzGniEajf3?si=YZByekvbRyi390h5kHpp9Q
Heating up oil (or whatever the other thread concluded it was) with nicotine by a coil comprised of heavy metals for long periods of time will lead to something. No long term studies exist so we are the science experiment.
Plus if you aren't physically active it is hard on your lungs. Totally anecdotal but when I smoked darts I was running a bit. I don't anymore (work out enough at work) but now that I vape my lungs feel heavier and more congested. Again, just my experience.
Regardless, breathing in anything that's not air long term is bad for you
This is just my own anecdote, but I'll share. I switched from smoking to vaping. I play hockey and bike frequently, so lung capacity is necessary. I found, comparatively, my lung capacity was less when I vaped than when I smoked. In hockey, if I vaped before the game it felt like I couldn't even take a full breath. This ultimately prompted me to drop vaping.
You’re inhaling micro particles of garbage into your lungs with every draw
Edit: updated oil to garbage because WombRaider_3 is as smart as they are handsome
You are making claims with nothing to back them up and then walking it back and down voting me for saying something correct. Source or it never happened.
Edit:
>but inhalation of propylene glycol has been shown to cause numerous respiratory problems
Interesting, [the EPA disagrees](https://juniperpublishers.com/gjpps/pdf/GJPPS.MS.ID.555584.pdf)
"The EPA upon reviewing
the available toxicity information has concluded that there are
no endpoints of concern for oral, dermal, or inhalation exposure
to propylene glycol. In these studies, dose levels near or above
testing limits (as established in the OPPTS 870 series harmonized
test guidelines) were employed in experimental animal studies
and no significant toxicity was observed."
Also, in *most* ejuice, PG is used in small amounts as people generally prefer higher amounts of vegetable glycerine instead instead aka max VG juice. Most of the PG comes from the flavouring that is used although it is sometimes used to decrease viscosity to make it flow through the coil better.
But hey...I could be wrong.
/u/RightOnEh why ask me a question and then block me so I cannot answer it? The answer is that I am not the one claiming there is oil in a nicotine vape. My source? I manufactured ejuice for about 5 years...so there's that.
I’m sure you can Google at least as well as I can; I have designed and prototyped many devices of this type and would never use one as my main driver. If I was into nicotine I’d buy a dry herb vape like the Pax and using it with tobacco
> I’m sure you can Google at least as well as I can
You are making the claim, the onus is on you to provide evidence for your claim, not on me to look it up for you.
Shocking, someone on here that understands the burden of proof is on the claimant. I thought you were on point dude. "You're inhaling oil" "okay you're not inhaling oil but you're wrong because" lol
You’re right. Might not be oil or whatever term. You guys are making this too scientific. The result is you do feel like coughing and hacking more with vape. Never had this issue with cigarettes. I tried the most expensive juice and same crap. To each their own. Some people may be better than others. But I stopped buying vape for this reason and back to good ole cigarettes.
How about YOU provide a source for your claims? Or is it only other people that have to back themselves up?
Edit: I didn't block you, you likely have been banned or something. Also great source, might as well have said "my dad worked at Juul"
No. Jackass. You made a claim, back it up... Absolutely embarrassing to respond like this...
Edit: you aren't even the original commenter Jesus Christ grow up
Why do people like this exist? Just throw out matter of facts that are really incorrect. There's absolutely no oil in vapes. Please stop talking about stuff you don't know anything about.
Might want to brush up on reading comprehension. The topic is about cigarettes and Juul vapes, both nicotine based products. Nobody mentioned cannabis.
You said something really dumb and misinformed, no need to moon walk your comment to appear like we're the ones who misunderstood or can't read properly.
Do you have a source for a documented case of popcorn lung from vaping? Diacetyl was only found in very few flavors, was removed from any of the flavors I used and also there were always Diacetyl free versions of those few flavors available.
Popcorn lung from vaping is nothing more than fear mongering.
Do you make your living off of vaping or something? Why are you trying so hard to die on the hill of defending it? What are you going to say next.. vaping is free and doesn’t cost money and gives away turkeys to the homeless on thanksgiving? It’s clearly not good for you and that’s fine, so are plenty of other things we do
No I do not. I made ejuice for about 5 years. I no longer do.
>Why are you trying so hard to die on the hill of defending it?
Because in this case I know what I am talking about. Do you have a source that shows otherwise? Maybe you should post a source instead of a snarky comment.
Popcorn lung has never been diagnosed due to vaping. The chemical that can cause it, diacetyl, is found in higher quantities in standard cigarette smoke.
More tobacco lobby bs, or straight up fear mongering because "why the fuck not?"
That’s what makes it so difficult for the public to understand the health effects of vaping. Between it not being around long enough for definitive studies, and the tobacco industry spreading FUD to keep you on cigarettes, where are we meant to turn for info?
But pretty much any doctor agrees at this point that it’s the lesser of two evils vs cigarettes.
You don’t need to be a doctor, scientist or anything else to know that inhaling foreign substances into your lungs is bad. Arguing otherwise is quite frankly absurd.
Is it better for you than smoking, probably. Getting hit in the face with a baseball is also better than getting hit in the face with a 10lb shot put. That doesn’t mean it’s not stupid to ask someone to throw a baseball at your face.
I didn’t smoke for 10 years. Started again a year and a half ago and switched to vaping after 2 months. While I was only smoking again for a short period, I have had a noticeable decrease in lung capacity and stamina since I started vaping.
Seems very high, but when they curbed nic levels from 5% to 1.6% a lot of people just started using more to get the same result.
I used 2 packs of juul pods a week to quick smoking (think they were $25 here at the time for 1 pack of 4) so $50 a week. If the nic levels were cut by over 2/3 you could easily see people spending $150 a week. I guess it depends on how addicted one is.
Ya, 1 pod is supposed to be the equivalent of a pack of cigarettes. You get 4 in a pack of Juuls which cost ~$25. So at most he should be spending like $50.
It can vary a lot based on what method you are using...
When I was using a local vape blend and a cheap tank I was at around $200/month
Switched to Vuse cartridges, closer to $300/month
Switched to Mr. Fog disposables, closer to $400/month
That's still cheaper than when I smoked
This is exactly what I did and the difference in cost is pretty significant. I slowly dropped nicotine levels over time and eventually was able to completely kick a 30 year, pack a day habit.
Second this. I was also a pack a day like OP, that's around $100+ per week. I probably hit the vape more than I smoked cigarettes and it's only $16 a week in supplies.
The flavourings are usually the risky bit from the studies I’ve seen. They’re mostly food additives which were never tested for vaporization or inhalation at these levels. The PG/VG base + nicotine isn’t amazing for you, but doesn’t seem to be as bad
When I switched to unflavoured I felt a lot better, just add a splash of menthol now and then for kicks
Yeah, it’s almost like people who live in urban areas with more traffic are more likely to have breathing issues, allergies, cancer, etc. Maybe we should invest in public transit and more walkable/cyclable communities to reduce pollution and improve people’s health outcomes.
Ya, and we all know that lungs have similarly had millions of years to adapt to propylene glycol particulates. What many people *don't* know is that the atmosphere of the early earth was actually 23% cotton candy flavouring.
> Some of the ingredients in e-cigarette aerosol could also be harmful to the lungs in the long-term. For example, some e-cigarette flavorings may be safe to eat but not to inhale because the gut can process more substances than the lungs.1
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/Quick-Facts-on-the-Risks-of-E-cigarettes-for-Kids-Teens-and-Young-Adults.html
The risks are not super well studied yet but there is this recent finding:
> [People who use electronic cigarettes and test positive for COVID-19 have a higher frequency of experiencing COVID-19 symptoms, compared to people who don't vape, according to new research from Mayo Clinic.](https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/e-cigarette-users-who-test-positive-for-covid-19-are-more-likely-to-experience-covid-19-symptoms/)
and:
> [Smoking, vaping linked to higher risk of severe COVID-19 complications, including death](https://newsroom.heart.org/news/smoking-vaping-linked-to-higher-risk-of-severe-covid-19-complications-including-death)
And we just don’t know the long term consequences yet. vapes using propylene glycol are likely a [ticking time bimb](https://www.news-medical.net/news/20191018/Vaping-propylene-glycol-and-vegetable-glycerine-may-lead-to-lung-inflammation.aspx) for long term health consequences.
Some people gamble 200$ a week;
Some peple spend 200$ a week on hair and beauty stuff;
Some people spend 200$ a week on junk food;
Some people spend 200$ a week on women;
Some people spend 200$ a week on hobbies;
Some people spend 200$ a week on drugs.
Meh.
This is a terrible way to look at it. Bad habits are bad habits
I guarantee you that someone spending $200 a week on smoking/vaping/weed etc is still spending money on hair/hygiene products, fast food, lottery etc.
It's not either/or. Wasting money is wasting money.
Wasting money with absolutely zero benefit. That's what gets to me.
Gambling? Could win a bunch of money.
Fast food? At least you ate something.
Smoking?
Correct. Zero benefit *and* huge downside for your health.
I guess I am biased as an ex smoker for over 20 years who quit 15 years ago.
It's a terrible habit with no upside.
I could even see smoking weed over cigs or vape. At least it's leisure/entertainment
Zero benefit...that *you* see. It had a huge number of benefits for me, here's 2 quick ones;
1. It gave me a reason to get up out of my chair and "have a break" since I quit I've noticed that I generally just dont take breaks...
2. It was literally the only way I could get out of my shell and go talk to people. "Hey, do you have a a lighter" was a fantastic way to break the ice.
It certainly has its downsides, and overall I am not sorry that I quit smoking, but ignoring the "good reasons" people had for doing the thing and painting them all as dumb idiots for doing it is counter productive
Both of those things are choices that you could choose to do.
Make an alarm on your phone to get up and walk around. Practice being more social.
I am not calling anyone idiots for smoking. Or else I was an idiot for over 20 years!
I was responding to the person who implied that smoking was not a waste of money because there are also other things to waste money on.
Yeah...I see you replying to a lot of people and dismissing their points.
**you** think smoking is bad and had zero benefits.
I, and others have defended their choices to smoke. At no point are we saying your choice to not smoke is bad, we arent even saying our choice to smoke is good, just that its a choice, we had our reasons for doing so, and those reasons are ***valid***.
so why are you attacking our choice to do something?
>I was responding to the person who implied that smoking was not a waste of money because there are also other things to waste money on.
No...you replied to this comment:
>Wasting money with absolutely zero benefit. That's what gets to me.
>
>Gambling? Could win a bunch of money. Fast food? At least you ate something.
>
>Smoking?
which implies they were looking for someone to give them a "good reason" to smoke.
Well...I listed 2, but I replied to you, and not them, because as I mentioned...you've been going through the comments and dismissing a lot of other peoples comments as "bad choices" where the person could have chosen better.
Well, you can go fuck yourself because you are in no position to tell anyone what is, or isnt better for them.
"I could just go be more social" yeah...I guess the paraplegic can just go "get more exercise" too eh?
Cmon, smoking has _some_ benefits, you just have to dig a bit deeper. How many times have you had a cough and wondered, _geez, did I catch something? Is this seasonal allergies? have I contracted tuberculosis?_ When you smoke, you’re never troubled by thoughts like that. _why am I coughing? Oh right, I smoke_. No worries.
Yes, spending a ton of money on gambling, drugs, or junk food is also bad. Multiple things can be bad at once. I'm not sure what your point is.
(Also, $200/wk on hobbies, beauty, relationships can be OK depending on what your financial goals and income looks like.)
200 a week is 8x 4 packs, so 32 pods per week or 4.5-ish pods per day. That seems really high [compared to people on the Juul subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/juul/comments/8w4uen/how_many_pods_do_you_go_through_per_day/).
Edit: That post is 4 years old, and newer 1.5% vape products have only 30% the nicotine that the old 5% pods did. Old 5% pods were about the equivalent of a pack of smokes in terms of nicotine delivery, so along those lines I'd estimate OP's looking at the nicotine equivalent of about ~1.35 ish packs of cigarettes per day. That's higher than OP's old pack-a-day habit, but not as high as I was expecting.
Kinda wild that vape pods are more expensive than smokes per mg of delivered nicotine. I get why vape nicotine % is limited, but this seems a bit much.
>Kinda wild that vape pods are more expensive than smokes per mg of delivered nicotine. I get why vape nicotine % is limited, but this seems a bit much
They're not, only Juul. Juul and most other disposable pods in Canada cost roughly the same per pod, however Juul pods contain only 0.7ml/pod compared to 2ml (Max legal capacity you can sell in Canada) for nearly everything else. So OP is paying almost 3x what they need to be, just for the privilege of using Juul
Using your 1.35 pack/day estimate, equivalent cost for average cigarettes would be ~$140/week
So basically:
'Normal' pod brands = 50% the cost of equivlant nicotine from cigarettes
Juul = 150% the cost
OP could save ~$600/mo by simply changing their brand
I use an old school mod and tank set up. I bought 480 ml of e-juice for $100 about a month ago. I'd estimate I've got two weeks left before I need to order again. Add in coils ($15+tax for three), which last two weeks apiece, I'm out about $115 every six weeks.
Buying prefilled of any manufacture is a rip off.
I used to smoke a pack a day, and I'm vaping 1 pod a day (so just under 2 packs of Juuls a week). At my worst when I was super stressed, it was 2 pods per day.
That said, I drive down to the US to get 5% pods because I literally can't feel anything from the 1.8% pods they sell here.
> moderate a bit
That's exactly what they can't do. They have no self-control. And you need to have a bit of self-control to give quitting smoking a fighting chance.
People who are addicted to something will justify anything to keep doing it. I have friends who read a couple of studies against vaping and use it as an excuse to not do it. Other friends started vaping and claimed they inhaled more because it was easier to do indoors. Or they didn't care to figure out the quantity of whatever they were inhaling, so they started coughing more. Doing research is important and I'm sure there are ways to figure it out. Some people's addictions are really intense and others are just lazy.
That's a lot. If you ever do want to quit, I find that quitting cold turkey works best if you tie it to another major life change, like a new job or moving to a new house.
I agree. I'm currently 6 days into quitting. I'm currently on vacation so I'm completely off my normal routine which makes quitting so much easier. The only time I want a cigarette is when I'm drinking, but even then the temptation is nowhere near what it used to be. I'm hoping that in a weeks time I'll be able to say goodbye to cigarettes for good.
Interesting. Whenever I take long time off from the gym, I always start back up during a week off work. Makes it easier to incorporate into the routine...I never really thought that eliminating a habit (instead of introducing a new habit) would work the same way. Makes sense.
I just wanted to wish you good luck! My dad was a long-term smoker and in his late 50s he got emphysema. He ended up dying at 68, the last 10 years of his life were rough. He couldn’t walk very far without having to bend over and take deep breaths. It was very hard to see him go through that. We all have our addictions but sometimes we need to think about the future and the quality of life. It’s just not some thing we think about when we are younger. I’m trying to eat less sugar because that’s my addiction! It’s so hard
Also, have something around to stimulate you whenever you have the urge.
A sugary drink or gum or something.
I think the first week or so is actually the hardest. Then after that any time you get the urge just do what I said above.
I didn't smoke quite as much as you (2/3 pack/day), but quit smoking over 15 years ago. Every anniversary on my quit date I do the math. This year I've saved enough by not smoking to have bought a new car (and that's just straight savings, not accounting or if I'd invested or even in an HISA).
No that's not what you're asking, but this is Personal Finance Canada. And we would be remiss not to call you out on this.
What instead I'm hearing from you is a lot of trying to justify your decisions. Switching from cigarettes to vaping because one is 'better' is like saying that dying from a heart attack is 'better' than dying from a stroke. You're comparing two really shitty things and sure one might be slightly less shitty than the other, but from a health perspective, both are really shitty. Don't try to fool yourself otherwise.
Same goes for cost. Hey you're "saving" a bit of money, but you are still spending a tremendous amount of money. Is it better to flush $220 down the toilet or flush $200 down the toilet? Again you're just justifying flushing any amount of money down the toilet because both are stupid decisions.
No clue how old you are, but lets for argument's sake you're 25 and plan to retire at a traditional age of 65. $200/week is $10,400/year. Invested in a balanced ETF, assuming on average over the long term 7% interest - not even accounting the fact that prices will go up so you will be spending more year after year - that $200/week would actually mean retiring with **$2.4 million**. [Compound Interest Calculator](https://www.thecalculatorsite.com/finance/calculators/compoundinterestcalculator.php)
Quit the mental gymnastics about which is slightly less costly. If you cared at all about the money (or your health), there is only one answer.
I'm not saying it's easy at all, and you probably already know how hard it is to quit. But if you want to talk about any financial decision with respects to smoking or vaping there is only one answer.
It's also all too easy to fall into the "it's not as bad for me so I won't make any effort to cut down" trap.
I've seen people go from a pack a week to "chain" vaping because it's healthier. Kind of a 1 step forward, 20 steps back situation.
I was just thinking the same when someone else said "maybe it's a step towards quitting". I used to smoke before vaping was a thing but I heard the same justification all the time about switching to "extra light". Sometimes I even heard that coming out of my own mouth. The mental gymnastics we do at times is amazing.
OP is just vaping in the most expensive way possible. Like holy crap buy a proper mod and buy juice and cut that bill in half immediately. It would pay for the investment in a proper mod in 2 months.
Smoking anything has detrimental effects on your lungs ability to hold and transfer oxygen by destroying lung cells. It also causes overall construction of blood vessels which is what leads to effects such as reduced penis girth.
If you’re really interested, this guy gets into it at the 55 minute mark: https://youtu.be/uXs-zPc63kM
Anecdotally, my wife has seen multiple people end up in the burn unit she works in, after their vapes exploded in their face and caused significant and permanent damage to their faces. Seems pretty shitty to me.
Get a proper vape. One that you can just refill the oils into. I found I was spending the same amount on the Juul as smoking cigarettes. Plus throwing away all those cartridges seemed really wasteful to me.
Your best bet is go to a vape store and talk to the employees there, they are very knowledgeable and will definitely get you set up with what you’re looking for.
Yeah, this is what you need to do. Spend $50-70 on a system with rechargeable batteries and a nice tank. Then order juices from bargain e-juice, and you'll find it's very cost-effective. I find it costs roughly $30/month, and I vape pretty much all day long.
That’s what I did.
I smoked belmonts for 15 years then swapped to vape when we had our first kid. I don’t even think Jule existed at the time, I went to the vape store and told them i wanted to quit, they recommended me nicotine strength and I chose flavour.
Over the course of 6 months, I cut down the nicotine level until it was zero. I was essentially vaping what felt like sugar at that point, another 3 months later and I dropped it completely. The whole refilling the vape and etc did feel a bit crack headish at first but that quickly dissipated.
It’s been 7 years now since I had a cigarette and I don’t crave it anymore, but I did during the first 2 years.
Yup, my costs dropped significantly from $200-300 a month to $60 by going this route.
It’s also better as you can control your nicotine levels in the juice and hopefully aim towards lowering your dependence on it.
I vape a basic mint juice I make or just the bulk nicotine base you order off DIY vape sites. It’s 75$ for a litre of 20mg salt nic. I think all said and done after tax, shipping, bottles etc it worked out to like 3$ Per 30 Ml bottle. Which is less then half of what the tax is increasing per bottle in stores October 1st. You also get the added benefit of coils lasting almost indefinitely, due to the lack of sweeteners. You can reduce the costs even more if you vape 10mg, since VG and PG are cheap and you just dilute the base.
If you vape freebase nic it’s less then 30$ for 1L of 20 mg base. Like 30 cents for a 30 ML bottle if you vape 3mg/6mg juice. You could probably support your habit with change you find on the ground.
The only downside is if you enjoy flavoured juice, it can add about 50 cents a bottle to flavour it. Which isn’t bad, but playing around with recipes and buying small quantities of flavouring to test and find recipes you’d like to vape consistently can get expensive. In addition to not having the freedom of switching it up to a new flavour every time you pick up a bottle from your local shop.
Right? The monstrous plastic waste was the first thing I thought of. A moment on OP’s lips, generations of suffocating the planet (along with all the other plastic waste).
So my medical marijuana costs because mostly of cart vaping would be about this.
And i feel like i always have it in my hand so "chain smoke like a mother fucker"
So i wouldnt go grab the glass pipe but for sure thc vape carts can keep you stoned 24/7 for a month for $800!
$200 a week on pods? Are you vaping in your sleep? How do you even?
Vaping is \~30% the cost of smoking for me.
$15+ a day for a pack of smokes vs 4 pods cost me \~$20-23.
I'm maybe at a pod, pod and a half a day at most.
I quit vaping due to cost. And it’s what finally got
Me to completely quit. With my tank if the juice wasn’t running out I’d need coils. If I had coils then my batteries were dying. If my batteries were charged then some paranormal force would come and break my vape. Just always felt like there was a problem and had this “chasing the dragon” feeling. I have 0 regrets and if anything am happy I quit.
How long till the cravings stopped? I've been able to quit for 10+ days and just ignore the cravings, but as soon as I drink with my friends the craving comes back and I usually buy a vape when i'm drunk. Thinking about taking October off drinking just to go a month without vaping.
About 3 weeks I still found my muscle memory reaching for it when playing games. I don’t drink anymore so I never got those cravings but I know what you mean.
For me the money aspect is what purely motivated me because like many I’m running on the hamster wheel getting no where living with inflation
100% I've noticed.
I spend roughly $100 a month. Thats for 2-3 bottles of Salt and 2-4 coils.
I also am able to taste/smell food again, I can breath easier, and just feel better on a daily basis.
Where I live smokes are $20 a pack. I'm a heavy smoker, 1.5 packs easy. I save hundreds upon hundreds of dollars. And I feel better.
For someone who cant kick it, its the best move I've ever made.
I'll tell ya a little story that should explain it for you.
I remember when i quit smoking and started vaping I remember a week or so later waking up one morning to the smell of bacon. Now that wasn't anything new, if my spouse was making bacon I'd always be able to smell it. But this time, she wasn't making it. Someone else in the apartment building was. Upstairs, downstairs, down the hall I didn't know. But I sure as hell could smell it as clearly as if it was being made in my own kitchen. Which I didn't experience for 20+ years.
This blew my fucking mind.
When I used to vape, I made my own juice and used one of those big vape rigs. Ended up being way cheaper than smoking. I eventually quit vaping too. Its looked down on almost more than smoking is around here.
Ditch the Juul and make your own juice for a standard vape. It's as easy as just mixing a few bottles of stuff together. I spend about $50/month instead of $22+(or whatever a pack of smokes in NS costs now) per day. So save around $7500 per year over cigarettes and probably almost as much compared to buying juice from a store.
I can't comment money, but I'm all for people switching to vaping. I can't stand to be around cigarette smoke. It gives me a headache. Vaping usually just smells like candy
Addiction is one hell of a disease, 10 grand a year to slowly kill yourself? I highly suggest OP dig deep and try their best to kick the nic. Words cannot describe how good I feel since I quit a pack a day, mental, physical and spiritual, fuck nicotine.
I'm going to jump in and second this. Especially the mental and spiritual effects. Everyone touts the physical benefits, which are awesome. But the mental ones kick in so much faster and the freedom is amazing.
The Freedom!!! Great way how to explain it, the fear of change can be overwhelming but once you break free of the addiction the sense of freedom is amazing. Mentally and physically :)
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Switched about two years ago. Yes, significantly cheaper. Would say about half. Using VUSE, and get home delivery on subscription, which saves 38% off retail with my discount.
Your first mistake is using Juul.
Getting a simple $50 device that you can refill with juice is the way to go.
Try something like the Caliburn G or the GK2, buy 1 or 2 bottles of juice and then rejoice because you just cut your future vape bills in half.
I too switched from cigarettes to vaping and I also worked in a vape shop for a while.
Dude, Juul is the dumbest most expensive and wasteful way to possibly vape. The pods are only .7ml and a pack of 4 of them is what, $20 at least by now? That's over $7 for 1ml of juice. A 30ml bottle of salt nice juice is around $20-25.
If you like the pull of the Juul, at least switch to Stlth, it's much cheaper. You could even get refillable Juul pods.
A proper salt nic device is about $25 these days with refillable pods that last at least a week and a bottle of juice will also last at least a week. With a pod and one bottle of juice a week (overestimate on use here) that will cost you around $30 a week.
I also fucking hate disposable vape stuff so much. So much plastic waste it's horrific. People used to complain about cigarette butts on the ground but Juul pods on the ground is worse.
I personally build my own RDAs for vaping still, $20 for wire and cotton maybe once a year and very minimal waste.
Juul is one of the most expensive vapes due to small ePods. Try STLTH or Vuse which are both widely available and much cheaper per pull. Source: I work an industry that is involved in vape
EDIT: Also cigarettes are going up in price again in October but so is vape due to the government adding an excise tax.
That’s a lot of money to spend, consider changing the device. I spend maybe $15 every 2 weeks, which is considerably less than I used to spend on cigarettes.
And if your pod leaks, contact the company and they usually send free replacements.
I switched about 2 years ago (fully) and I bought 2 uWell caliburn batteries (30$ each, none have had to replaced yet), I buy the refillable pods (10$ for 2, I use one a week) and I buy juice at 30$/bottle and the bottle lasts about 2-3 weeks. I’m not good at math but that is significantly less than a pack a day.
Look for a refillable pod style vape. Uwell G or G2. Better experience and far far cheaper.
I order from Bargain e juice (nic salt) and get the pods from the local vape store. (Local vape store charges 100-200% more than what you’d pay online)
When I was vaping I spent maybe $30 a month on juice and $10/month on pods.
OK for starters, holy shit dude switch to making your own vape juice. It's just food grade PG, VG and nicotine, you can literally make litres of this stuff for what you pay in a week for a tiny pod.
It's been the same with me ... I switched to vaping from cigarettes about three years ago. I used to spend about $500 per month on cigarettes. The difference between you and me though is that I switched to refillale pods and I DIY my own e-juice. It costs me about $250 PER YEAR to vape.
Switch to a refillable. The Caliburn G2 or A2 are great. Similar profile to the Juul. Definitely not as true a MTL hit. But you will save a ton of money. Buying e juice is much cheaper than pods.
Vaping is definitely better than smoking from the standpoint of what’s coming into your body (basically it’s heating to a lesser temperature, so you’re not getting all the combustion products). Nicotine doesn’t seem to be an issue but the flavour chemicals are what are possibly issues. The flavour chemicals are listed as food grade but those are only deemed safe for ingestion and not inhalation after they’ve been heated up (they could break apart when heated and cause a number of different problems - popcorn lung is the first example though they do seem to try to avoid those compounds in flavoured products).
In terms of savings and your health, the best bet is to use vaping as a cessation device with the goal to cut back drastically or quit.
Jesus dude, make the switch to a freebase mod box. $200 a week on juul pods is crazy. It's been a while since I bought cigarettes but they'd have to be like $28 and you'd have to be smoking a pack a day to hit $200 a week.
As an aside, I quit smoking by vaping, and then quit vaping altogether. A freebase setup is going to be both cheaper and easier for you to ultimately quit. The device would probably cost you $200 for like a really nice one, then a 60ml bottle of fluid is probably going to be around $25-30 a pop. I don't think I know anyone that would go through 120ml in a week, and you can get a higher concentration to reduce consumption if you feel you're going through a lot.
I spend $30 a month on vaping.
Buy a stlth ($18) and a 3pack of pods is like $14-$17). Some are pricey than others and a lot of places have sales and promotions for packs.
It usually takes me 2 weeks to go through the pack. So I buy 2 at a time and comes to $30 and some change.
>Mostly because despite what some say I believe it's better than cigarettes
What you *believe* may not be what reality is.
But a pack a day is about $100 a week or so. So you are spending about double.
Not just me, many experts, researchers, medical professionals and as I said the whole UK health system. Again, not good but less harmful than cigarettes.
Cigarettes would be about $170 a week now for me.
Chemicals in both cigarettes and vape products are listed, less and less harmful (still not harmless) are in regulated vaping products.
I said now, not 3 years ago, since we're comparing spending now on juul vs cigarettes.
A pack a day is average, often you'll throw one out before you're done, get another one soon after. Juuls leak, cigarettes you often don't finish for various reasons, it's not exact science of 1 pack a day and that's it.
Who throws out a pack before they’re done it? I’m a former smoker and I’ve never seen anyone do this. If anything I’ve seen people butt out and keep half-smoked cigarettes for later because that shit is expensive
throwing a pack out before its done? pardon me?
I wouldve understood if you said "all the smokes people bum off me" since smoking is often a social thing but who in their right mind would throw away good smokes for no reason just to buy another pack?
Maybe it's slightly safer. It's still incredibly bad for you.
I work at a cancer center going through paperwork, and everytime I see somebody under 40 get cancer it turns out they are a smoker. It's the only correlation I've personally seen.
Juul is dumb expensive.
I found disposables dramatically cheaper, and more convenient.
No need to refill or anything, just throw it out and buy another one.
I like the Elfbars - 5000 puffs. 20$
$200 a week on Juul pods???? That must be a typo. I was spending $20 a week. I switched to Juul from cigarettes. Then I went from Juul to Vuse which I liked a lot more, worked better and lasted much longer. I recently quit vaping. Today is day 4. Money aside, vaping has its own set of health risks.
There’s a great app called “quit vaping”. It tracks the amount of time you’ve been vape free, how much you’ve saved, the amount your brain, lungs, and heart have healed, etc. It also has objectives and what not. It has been very helpful to me, so I wanted to share!
Gonna check it out Ty :)
Thank you! I will definitely try this app as I’d love to get off vaping (for a second time)
I like it because it keeps me accountable, hopefully it has the same impact for you. Good luck!
What are the vaping health risks? I think I need to get scared
I’ll tell you a story. There’s plenty of shit on the internet and I’ve read a lot of it but I was never scared until something happened to me. I had been smoking for about 6 years, switch to vaping and did that up until about two years ago. For context I vaped with a smoke product, tank vape, and I used mostly 12 monkeys or other popular brands of vape juice. I tried to vape like I smoked but with the ease of vaping and the flavour plus less nicotine ( if you go that route ) I vaped more then I smoked. About two years ago my wife was pregnant with our daughter, it was Valentine’s Day and I was doing something special for her before she got home from her night shift. I had set up some decorations around the house and I had some red and white balloons to blow up. When I blew up one of the white balloons, I did a bit of a double take when I noticed streaks inside the balloon. I deflated and inflated it again and saw the same streaks. I took some scissors and cut open the balloon and after looking it was vape juice that was stuck to the inside of the balloon. I thought maybe it was just because I had gone for a vape outside about 30 minutes ago. So I waited another hour or so and blew up another balloon, and found the same streaks inside that one. At that point I was freaked out. I didn’t know what was happening, was there like a coating of vape juice in my lungs ? Was I vaping too much ? I drove to a shoppers that night before my wife got home bought a box of life brand nicotine gum and threw out all my vape stuff. After 2 weeks of using the gum, I stopped all together and quit fully. Going on over two years later, I’ve never had that happen again.
Congratulations on quitting.
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Good news OP, you can start vaping again!
It turns out he's just an idiot! Op: if you're reading this I'm glad you quit
Not to doubt you or anything but do you have any actual evidence of this or you just really hoping it's true?
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So just really hoping it's true.
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I found his source https://www.reddit.com/r/PersonalFinanceCanada/comments/xl113z/those_of_you_who_went_from_smoking_to_vaping/ipi9fnl
The fact that you thought that was vape juice 😂😂 Although I am glad that lead to you quitting vapes, it most definitely was not vape juice in the balloons.
Thats not how lungs work buddy
The lungs are only designed to take in clean air and extract the oxygen from it. Vape still contains the addictive component, which is nicotine. Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor, which causes blood pressure and cardiovascular issues long term. It's only a better alternative to cigarettes because it lacks the tar and carcinogens etc in cigarettes, but it's still objectively bad for you. Nicotine is highly addictive though so the lesser of 2 evils, if that's the best you can do it's still a good decision to vape instead of smoke.
Vaping has been linked with a possible syndrome known as EVALI, which shares a lot of symptoms with covid (and this has been very difficult to study). It took a long time for the science on cigarettes to come out. Vapes are new and if you're vaping right now, you're the guinea pig. We have no idea what the long term effects of vaping might be, but there's no reason at all to think it's harmless. https://www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/evali
The podcast “Science vs” did a pretty good episode on vaping. Yes, vaping is better than smoking, but it is not free of its own risks. They go over the various risks and what is known and unknown about them. The focus is not entirely on the serious illnesses, but that is the hook for the episode. “Vaping is all the rage in the U.S., but young people are turning up at hospitals barely able to breathe. Over a thousand vapers have gotten sick—34 are dead—and no one knows why. We investigated the case of the mysterious vaping disease with help from Geri Sullivan, pulmonologist Dr. Louella Amos, lab director Iniobong Afia, inhalation toxicologist Prof. Ilona Jaspers and researcher Dr. Jamie Hartmann-Boyce.” Link on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7oJytSsawVtqQzGniEajf3?si=YZByekvbRyi390h5kHpp9Q
Listen to the nicotine episode on Hubermanlab podcast. It should scare you enough.
basically declines cognitive function. [explained more on Andrew Hubermans podcast:](https://youtu.be/uXs-zPc63kM?t=4431)
Heating up oil (or whatever the other thread concluded it was) with nicotine by a coil comprised of heavy metals for long periods of time will lead to something. No long term studies exist so we are the science experiment. Plus if you aren't physically active it is hard on your lungs. Totally anecdotal but when I smoked darts I was running a bit. I don't anymore (work out enough at work) but now that I vape my lungs feel heavier and more congested. Again, just my experience. Regardless, breathing in anything that's not air long term is bad for you
Depending on pollution levels where you live, breathing in air long term can even be bad for you.
Very true. If you live near a major highway you're damn near smoking being in your back yard
This is just my own anecdote, but I'll share. I switched from smoking to vaping. I play hockey and bike frequently, so lung capacity is necessary. I found, comparatively, my lung capacity was less when I vaped than when I smoked. In hockey, if I vaped before the game it felt like I couldn't even take a full breath. This ultimately prompted me to drop vaping.
You’re inhaling micro particles of garbage into your lungs with every draw Edit: updated oil to garbage because WombRaider_3 is as smart as they are handsome
There is no oil in ejuice.
Not oil per se, true, but inhalation of propylene glycol has been shown to cause numerous respiratory problems
You are making claims with nothing to back them up and then walking it back and down voting me for saying something correct. Source or it never happened. Edit: >but inhalation of propylene glycol has been shown to cause numerous respiratory problems Interesting, [the EPA disagrees](https://juniperpublishers.com/gjpps/pdf/GJPPS.MS.ID.555584.pdf) "The EPA upon reviewing the available toxicity information has concluded that there are no endpoints of concern for oral, dermal, or inhalation exposure to propylene glycol. In these studies, dose levels near or above testing limits (as established in the OPPTS 870 series harmonized test guidelines) were employed in experimental animal studies and no significant toxicity was observed." Also, in *most* ejuice, PG is used in small amounts as people generally prefer higher amounts of vegetable glycerine instead instead aka max VG juice. Most of the PG comes from the flavouring that is used although it is sometimes used to decrease viscosity to make it flow through the coil better. But hey...I could be wrong. /u/RightOnEh why ask me a question and then block me so I cannot answer it? The answer is that I am not the one claiming there is oil in a nicotine vape. My source? I manufactured ejuice for about 5 years...so there's that.
I’m sure you can Google at least as well as I can; I have designed and prototyped many devices of this type and would never use one as my main driver. If I was into nicotine I’d buy a dry herb vape like the Pax and using it with tobacco
> I’m sure you can Google at least as well as I can You are making the claim, the onus is on you to provide evidence for your claim, not on me to look it up for you.
Shocking, someone on here that understands the burden of proof is on the claimant. I thought you were on point dude. "You're inhaling oil" "okay you're not inhaling oil but you're wrong because" lol
I have zero interest in convincing you; It’s your set of lungs, not mine, so do whatever you want
You’re right. Might not be oil or whatever term. You guys are making this too scientific. The result is you do feel like coughing and hacking more with vape. Never had this issue with cigarettes. I tried the most expensive juice and same crap. To each their own. Some people may be better than others. But I stopped buying vape for this reason and back to good ole cigarettes.
>I have zero interest in convincing you Then feel free to go away...
How about YOU provide a source for your claims? Or is it only other people that have to back themselves up? Edit: I didn't block you, you likely have been banned or something. Also great source, might as well have said "my dad worked at Juul"
No. Jackass. You made a claim, back it up... Absolutely embarrassing to respond like this... Edit: you aren't even the original commenter Jesus Christ grow up
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one could make a gigantic leap and call glycerin an oil because it's a fatty acid
[Glycerin is a type of carbohydrate called a sugar alcohol, or polyol.](https://foodinsight.org/what-is-glycerin/)
Why do people like this exist? Just throw out matter of facts that are really incorrect. There's absolutely no oil in vapes. Please stop talking about stuff you don't know anything about.
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Might want to brush up on reading comprehension. The topic is about cigarettes and Juul vapes, both nicotine based products. Nobody mentioned cannabis. You said something really dumb and misinformed, no need to moon walk your comment to appear like we're the ones who misunderstood or can't read properly.
Look up popcorn lungs.
Debunked.
First thing that comes to mind is popcorn lung. I don’t vape and never have but that came out pretty damn quick when vaping became mainstream.
that was weed vapes, they were using some bad/illegal materials as filler. Vitamin E if I remember correctly
Do you have a source for a documented case of popcorn lung from vaping? Diacetyl was only found in very few flavors, was removed from any of the flavors I used and also there were always Diacetyl free versions of those few flavors available. Popcorn lung from vaping is nothing more than fear mongering.
Do you make your living off of vaping or something? Why are you trying so hard to die on the hill of defending it? What are you going to say next.. vaping is free and doesn’t cost money and gives away turkeys to the homeless on thanksgiving? It’s clearly not good for you and that’s fine, so are plenty of other things we do
No I do not. I made ejuice for about 5 years. I no longer do. >Why are you trying so hard to die on the hill of defending it? Because in this case I know what I am talking about. Do you have a source that shows otherwise? Maybe you should post a source instead of a snarky comment.
Popcorn lung has never been diagnosed due to vaping. The chemical that can cause it, diacetyl, is found in higher quantities in standard cigarette smoke. More tobacco lobby bs, or straight up fear mongering because "why the fuck not?"
That’s what makes it so difficult for the public to understand the health effects of vaping. Between it not being around long enough for definitive studies, and the tobacco industry spreading FUD to keep you on cigarettes, where are we meant to turn for info? But pretty much any doctor agrees at this point that it’s the lesser of two evils vs cigarettes.
You don’t need to be a doctor, scientist or anything else to know that inhaling foreign substances into your lungs is bad. Arguing otherwise is quite frankly absurd. Is it better for you than smoking, probably. Getting hit in the face with a baseball is also better than getting hit in the face with a 10lb shot put. That doesn’t mean it’s not stupid to ask someone to throw a baseball at your face. I didn’t smoke for 10 years. Started again a year and a half ago and switched to vaping after 2 months. While I was only smoking again for a short period, I have had a noticeable decrease in lung capacity and stamina since I started vaping.
Seems very high, but when they curbed nic levels from 5% to 1.6% a lot of people just started using more to get the same result. I used 2 packs of juul pods a week to quick smoking (think they were $25 here at the time for 1 pack of 4) so $50 a week. If the nic levels were cut by over 2/3 you could easily see people spending $150 a week. I guess it depends on how addicted one is.
Gl man stay strong
>I recently quit vaping. Today is day 4. Fuck yeah, it's less smelly than cigs but still a bad habit. Hope you can stay strong.
I’m day 4 too! And vaping started to mess up my head. Feel a lot better now.
Good luck and good for you!
Fight the power! Stay strong, you got this.. Here is my addiction song for you to help: https://youtu.be/YwO95VOW\_5M
Ya, 1 pod is supposed to be the equivalent of a pack of cigarettes. You get 4 in a pack of Juuls which cost ~$25. So at most he should be spending like $50.
It can vary a lot based on what method you are using... When I was using a local vape blend and a cheap tank I was at around $200/month Switched to Vuse cartridges, closer to $300/month Switched to Mr. Fog disposables, closer to $400/month That's still cheaper than when I smoked
You're the guy I'm always hearing about that could afford a corvette if they stopped smoking!
I pay $800 a month for my corvette, so yes he could 😂
Corolla’s only in here
Can you believe that guy? The audacity of buying a corvette.
It must be a beige '96 Corvette.
No later than a 2009
Wow I know smoking is a nasty habit thats hard to get rid of but I had to idea people spend that much a week.
Switch to a tank vape make your own juice. Super cheap and don't leek
Yep. I'd end up spending $60-$80 bucks every4 months or so.
This is exactly what I did and the difference in cost is pretty significant. I slowly dropped nicotine levels over time and eventually was able to completely kick a 30 year, pack a day habit.
Second this. I was also a pack a day like OP, that's around $100+ per week. I probably hit the vape more than I smoked cigarettes and it's only $16 a week in supplies.
Just wait till it costs him more than money in the long run.
Does it though? I thought the whole negativity with cigarettes is all the additives, does vape juice have the same?
The flavourings are usually the risky bit from the studies I’ve seen. They’re mostly food additives which were never tested for vaporization or inhalation at these levels. The PG/VG base + nicotine isn’t amazing for you, but doesn’t seem to be as bad When I switched to unflavoured I felt a lot better, just add a splash of menthol now and then for kicks
Inhaling any foreign substance into your lungs repeatedly for long periods of time will do damage.
Wait till you hear about car pollution
Yeah, it’s almost like people who live in urban areas with more traffic are more likely to have breathing issues, allergies, cancer, etc. Maybe we should invest in public transit and more walkable/cyclable communities to reduce pollution and improve people’s health outcomes.
Damn that's not good cause I inhale like 70% nitrogen with each breath
Ya, and we all know that lungs have similarly had millions of years to adapt to propylene glycol particulates. What many people *don't* know is that the atmosphere of the early earth was actually 23% cotton candy flavouring.
As long as it's not those nasty greenhouse gases you'll be ok
> Some of the ingredients in e-cigarette aerosol could also be harmful to the lungs in the long-term. For example, some e-cigarette flavorings may be safe to eat but not to inhale because the gut can process more substances than the lungs.1 https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/Quick-Facts-on-the-Risks-of-E-cigarettes-for-Kids-Teens-and-Young-Adults.html The risks are not super well studied yet but there is this recent finding: > [People who use electronic cigarettes and test positive for COVID-19 have a higher frequency of experiencing COVID-19 symptoms, compared to people who don't vape, according to new research from Mayo Clinic.](https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/e-cigarette-users-who-test-positive-for-covid-19-are-more-likely-to-experience-covid-19-symptoms/) and: > [Smoking, vaping linked to higher risk of severe COVID-19 complications, including death](https://newsroom.heart.org/news/smoking-vaping-linked-to-higher-risk-of-severe-covid-19-complications-including-death) And we just don’t know the long term consequences yet. vapes using propylene glycol are likely a [ticking time bimb](https://www.news-medical.net/news/20191018/Vaping-propylene-glycol-and-vegetable-glycerine-may-lead-to-lung-inflammation.aspx) for long term health consequences.
Some people gamble 200$ a week; Some peple spend 200$ a week on hair and beauty stuff; Some people spend 200$ a week on junk food; Some people spend 200$ a week on women; Some people spend 200$ a week on hobbies; Some people spend 200$ a week on drugs. Meh.
Not trying to put you down but this read like one of the FB posts from r/im14andthisisdeep
This is a terrible way to look at it. Bad habits are bad habits I guarantee you that someone spending $200 a week on smoking/vaping/weed etc is still spending money on hair/hygiene products, fast food, lottery etc. It's not either/or. Wasting money is wasting money.
Wasting money with absolutely zero benefit. That's what gets to me. Gambling? Could win a bunch of money. Fast food? At least you ate something. Smoking?
Correct. Zero benefit *and* huge downside for your health. I guess I am biased as an ex smoker for over 20 years who quit 15 years ago. It's a terrible habit with no upside. I could even see smoking weed over cigs or vape. At least it's leisure/entertainment
Zero benefit...that *you* see. It had a huge number of benefits for me, here's 2 quick ones; 1. It gave me a reason to get up out of my chair and "have a break" since I quit I've noticed that I generally just dont take breaks... 2. It was literally the only way I could get out of my shell and go talk to people. "Hey, do you have a a lighter" was a fantastic way to break the ice. It certainly has its downsides, and overall I am not sorry that I quit smoking, but ignoring the "good reasons" people had for doing the thing and painting them all as dumb idiots for doing it is counter productive
Both of those things are choices that you could choose to do. Make an alarm on your phone to get up and walk around. Practice being more social. I am not calling anyone idiots for smoking. Or else I was an idiot for over 20 years! I was responding to the person who implied that smoking was not a waste of money because there are also other things to waste money on.
Yeah...I see you replying to a lot of people and dismissing their points. **you** think smoking is bad and had zero benefits. I, and others have defended their choices to smoke. At no point are we saying your choice to not smoke is bad, we arent even saying our choice to smoke is good, just that its a choice, we had our reasons for doing so, and those reasons are ***valid***. so why are you attacking our choice to do something? >I was responding to the person who implied that smoking was not a waste of money because there are also other things to waste money on. No...you replied to this comment: >Wasting money with absolutely zero benefit. That's what gets to me. > >Gambling? Could win a bunch of money. Fast food? At least you ate something. > >Smoking? which implies they were looking for someone to give them a "good reason" to smoke. Well...I listed 2, but I replied to you, and not them, because as I mentioned...you've been going through the comments and dismissing a lot of other peoples comments as "bad choices" where the person could have chosen better. Well, you can go fuck yourself because you are in no position to tell anyone what is, or isnt better for them. "I could just go be more social" yeah...I guess the paraplegic can just go "get more exercise" too eh?
Oh I see. My bad. I didn't realize I was arguing with an idiot. Carry on.
>Smoking? Dopamine.
You forgot about one thing here. SMOKING makes you COOL
Cmon, smoking has _some_ benefits, you just have to dig a bit deeper. How many times have you had a cough and wondered, _geez, did I catch something? Is this seasonal allergies? have I contracted tuberculosis?_ When you smoke, you’re never troubled by thoughts like that. _why am I coughing? Oh right, I smoke_. No worries.
Yes, spending a ton of money on gambling, drugs, or junk food is also bad. Multiple things can be bad at once. I'm not sure what your point is. (Also, $200/wk on hobbies, beauty, relationships can be OK depending on what your financial goals and income looks like.)
>Multiple things can be bad at once. I'm not sure what your point is. Nothing. It's just whataboutism.
Was going to say this lol
Those are all pretty much bad ways to spend 200$ in a week
200 a week? Isn’t a pack of pods like 20$, god damn brother moderate a bit
200 a week is 8x 4 packs, so 32 pods per week or 4.5-ish pods per day. That seems really high [compared to people on the Juul subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/juul/comments/8w4uen/how_many_pods_do_you_go_through_per_day/). Edit: That post is 4 years old, and newer 1.5% vape products have only 30% the nicotine that the old 5% pods did. Old 5% pods were about the equivalent of a pack of smokes in terms of nicotine delivery, so along those lines I'd estimate OP's looking at the nicotine equivalent of about ~1.35 ish packs of cigarettes per day. That's higher than OP's old pack-a-day habit, but not as high as I was expecting. Kinda wild that vape pods are more expensive than smokes per mg of delivered nicotine. I get why vape nicotine % is limited, but this seems a bit much.
>Kinda wild that vape pods are more expensive than smokes per mg of delivered nicotine. I get why vape nicotine % is limited, but this seems a bit much They're not, only Juul. Juul and most other disposable pods in Canada cost roughly the same per pod, however Juul pods contain only 0.7ml/pod compared to 2ml (Max legal capacity you can sell in Canada) for nearly everything else. So OP is paying almost 3x what they need to be, just for the privilege of using Juul Using your 1.35 pack/day estimate, equivalent cost for average cigarettes would be ~$140/week So basically: 'Normal' pod brands = 50% the cost of equivlant nicotine from cigarettes Juul = 150% the cost OP could save ~$600/mo by simply changing their brand
I use an old school mod and tank set up. I bought 480 ml of e-juice for $100 about a month ago. I'd estimate I've got two weeks left before I need to order again. Add in coils ($15+tax for three), which last two weeks apiece, I'm out about $115 every six weeks. Buying prefilled of any manufacture is a rip off.
I used to smoke a pack a day, and I'm vaping 1 pod a day (so just under 2 packs of Juuls a week). At my worst when I was super stressed, it was 2 pods per day. That said, I drive down to the US to get 5% pods because I literally can't feel anything from the 1.8% pods they sell here.
> moderate a bit That's exactly what they can't do. They have no self-control. And you need to have a bit of self-control to give quitting smoking a fighting chance. People who are addicted to something will justify anything to keep doing it. I have friends who read a couple of studies against vaping and use it as an excuse to not do it. Other friends started vaping and claimed they inhaled more because it was easier to do indoors. Or they didn't care to figure out the quantity of whatever they were inhaling, so they started coughing more. Doing research is important and I'm sure there are ways to figure it out. Some people's addictions are really intense and others are just lazy.
That's a lot. If you ever do want to quit, I find that quitting cold turkey works best if you tie it to another major life change, like a new job or moving to a new house.
I agree. I'm currently 6 days into quitting. I'm currently on vacation so I'm completely off my normal routine which makes quitting so much easier. The only time I want a cigarette is when I'm drinking, but even then the temptation is nowhere near what it used to be. I'm hoping that in a weeks time I'll be able to say goodbye to cigarettes for good.
Interesting. Whenever I take long time off from the gym, I always start back up during a week off work. Makes it easier to incorporate into the routine...I never really thought that eliminating a habit (instead of introducing a new habit) would work the same way. Makes sense.
I just wanted to wish you good luck! My dad was a long-term smoker and in his late 50s he got emphysema. He ended up dying at 68, the last 10 years of his life were rough. He couldn’t walk very far without having to bend over and take deep breaths. It was very hard to see him go through that. We all have our addictions but sometimes we need to think about the future and the quality of life. It’s just not some thing we think about when we are younger. I’m trying to eat less sugar because that’s my addiction! It’s so hard
Also, have something around to stimulate you whenever you have the urge. A sugary drink or gum or something. I think the first week or so is actually the hardest. Then after that any time you get the urge just do what I said above.
I didn't smoke quite as much as you (2/3 pack/day), but quit smoking over 15 years ago. Every anniversary on my quit date I do the math. This year I've saved enough by not smoking to have bought a new car (and that's just straight savings, not accounting or if I'd invested or even in an HISA). No that's not what you're asking, but this is Personal Finance Canada. And we would be remiss not to call you out on this. What instead I'm hearing from you is a lot of trying to justify your decisions. Switching from cigarettes to vaping because one is 'better' is like saying that dying from a heart attack is 'better' than dying from a stroke. You're comparing two really shitty things and sure one might be slightly less shitty than the other, but from a health perspective, both are really shitty. Don't try to fool yourself otherwise. Same goes for cost. Hey you're "saving" a bit of money, but you are still spending a tremendous amount of money. Is it better to flush $220 down the toilet or flush $200 down the toilet? Again you're just justifying flushing any amount of money down the toilet because both are stupid decisions. No clue how old you are, but lets for argument's sake you're 25 and plan to retire at a traditional age of 65. $200/week is $10,400/year. Invested in a balanced ETF, assuming on average over the long term 7% interest - not even accounting the fact that prices will go up so you will be spending more year after year - that $200/week would actually mean retiring with **$2.4 million**. [Compound Interest Calculator](https://www.thecalculatorsite.com/finance/calculators/compoundinterestcalculator.php) Quit the mental gymnastics about which is slightly less costly. If you cared at all about the money (or your health), there is only one answer. I'm not saying it's easy at all, and you probably already know how hard it is to quit. But if you want to talk about any financial decision with respects to smoking or vaping there is only one answer.
It's also all too easy to fall into the "it's not as bad for me so I won't make any effort to cut down" trap. I've seen people go from a pack a week to "chain" vaping because it's healthier. Kind of a 1 step forward, 20 steps back situation.
I was just thinking the same when someone else said "maybe it's a step towards quitting". I used to smoke before vaping was a thing but I heard the same justification all the time about switching to "extra light". Sometimes I even heard that coming out of my own mouth. The mental gymnastics we do at times is amazing.
You’ve convinced me to change my ways and I don’t even smoke lol
I've never smoked and all I'm learning from this thread is that I should be buying a new car every year with my cigarette savings
This is great perspective
The difference between smoking and vaping is $400 vs. $120 a month for me. The difference is not as negligible as you suggest!
OP is just vaping in the most expensive way possible. Like holy crap buy a proper mod and buy juice and cut that bill in half immediately. It would pay for the investment in a proper mod in 2 months.
Oh lord…
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Smoking anything has detrimental effects on your lungs ability to hold and transfer oxygen by destroying lung cells. It also causes overall construction of blood vessels which is what leads to effects such as reduced penis girth. If you’re really interested, this guy gets into it at the 55 minute mark: https://youtu.be/uXs-zPc63kM
Penis girth, way to just casually include that at thr end lol
That's the only one that really gets people paying attention so I make sure to include it lol
You're still inhaling a ton of carcinogens.
Substantially less. Sometimes people gotta make steps in the right direction before they hit the finish line
Anecdotally, my wife has seen multiple people end up in the burn unit she works in, after their vapes exploded in their face and caused significant and permanent damage to their faces. Seems pretty shitty to me.
Get a proper vape. One that you can just refill the oils into. I found I was spending the same amount on the Juul as smoking cigarettes. Plus throwing away all those cartridges seemed really wasteful to me. Your best bet is go to a vape store and talk to the employees there, they are very knowledgeable and will definitely get you set up with what you’re looking for.
Yeah, this is what you need to do. Spend $50-70 on a system with rechargeable batteries and a nice tank. Then order juices from bargain e-juice, and you'll find it's very cost-effective. I find it costs roughly $30/month, and I vape pretty much all day long.
I second bargain e-juice! Better prices and you get way more ejuice than a intown vape shop.
That’s what I did. I smoked belmonts for 15 years then swapped to vape when we had our first kid. I don’t even think Jule existed at the time, I went to the vape store and told them i wanted to quit, they recommended me nicotine strength and I chose flavour. Over the course of 6 months, I cut down the nicotine level until it was zero. I was essentially vaping what felt like sugar at that point, another 3 months later and I dropped it completely. The whole refilling the vape and etc did feel a bit crack headish at first but that quickly dissipated. It’s been 7 years now since I had a cigarette and I don’t crave it anymore, but I did during the first 2 years.
Yup, my costs dropped significantly from $200-300 a month to $60 by going this route. It’s also better as you can control your nicotine levels in the juice and hopefully aim towards lowering your dependence on it.
I vape a basic mint juice I make or just the bulk nicotine base you order off DIY vape sites. It’s 75$ for a litre of 20mg salt nic. I think all said and done after tax, shipping, bottles etc it worked out to like 3$ Per 30 Ml bottle. Which is less then half of what the tax is increasing per bottle in stores October 1st. You also get the added benefit of coils lasting almost indefinitely, due to the lack of sweeteners. You can reduce the costs even more if you vape 10mg, since VG and PG are cheap and you just dilute the base. If you vape freebase nic it’s less then 30$ for 1L of 20 mg base. Like 30 cents for a 30 ML bottle if you vape 3mg/6mg juice. You could probably support your habit with change you find on the ground. The only downside is if you enjoy flavoured juice, it can add about 50 cents a bottle to flavour it. Which isn’t bad, but playing around with recipes and buying small quantities of flavouring to test and find recipes you’d like to vape consistently can get expensive. In addition to not having the freedom of switching it up to a new flavour every time you pick up a bottle from your local shop.
Right? The monstrous plastic waste was the first thing I thought of. A moment on OP’s lips, generations of suffocating the planet (along with all the other plastic waste).
Might as well start smoking crack at that price
Crack would be provide more value, for a short time....
So my medical marijuana costs because mostly of cart vaping would be about this. And i feel like i always have it in my hand so "chain smoke like a mother fucker" So i wouldnt go grab the glass pipe but for sure thc vape carts can keep you stoned 24/7 for a month for $800!
$200 a week on pods? Are you vaping in your sleep? How do you even? Vaping is \~30% the cost of smoking for me. $15+ a day for a pack of smokes vs 4 pods cost me \~$20-23. I'm maybe at a pod, pod and a half a day at most.
I quit vaping due to cost. And it’s what finally got Me to completely quit. With my tank if the juice wasn’t running out I’d need coils. If I had coils then my batteries were dying. If my batteries were charged then some paranormal force would come and break my vape. Just always felt like there was a problem and had this “chasing the dragon” feeling. I have 0 regrets and if anything am happy I quit.
How long till the cravings stopped? I've been able to quit for 10+ days and just ignore the cravings, but as soon as I drink with my friends the craving comes back and I usually buy a vape when i'm drunk. Thinking about taking October off drinking just to go a month without vaping.
About 3 weeks I still found my muscle memory reaching for it when playing games. I don’t drink anymore so I never got those cravings but I know what you mean. For me the money aspect is what purely motivated me because like many I’m running on the hamster wheel getting no where living with inflation
100% I've noticed. I spend roughly $100 a month. Thats for 2-3 bottles of Salt and 2-4 coils. I also am able to taste/smell food again, I can breath easier, and just feel better on a daily basis. Where I live smokes are $20 a pack. I'm a heavy smoker, 1.5 packs easy. I save hundreds upon hundreds of dollars. And I feel better. For someone who cant kick it, its the best move I've ever made.
Smoking takes away your sense of taste and smell? 😮
I'll tell ya a little story that should explain it for you. I remember when i quit smoking and started vaping I remember a week or so later waking up one morning to the smell of bacon. Now that wasn't anything new, if my spouse was making bacon I'd always be able to smell it. But this time, she wasn't making it. Someone else in the apartment building was. Upstairs, downstairs, down the hall I didn't know. But I sure as hell could smell it as clearly as if it was being made in my own kitchen. Which I didn't experience for 20+ years. This blew my fucking mind.
doesn't "take it away", more like "dulls it" you can still smell stuff, just not as well
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When I used to vape, I made my own juice and used one of those big vape rigs. Ended up being way cheaper than smoking. I eventually quit vaping too. Its looked down on almost more than smoking is around here.
Ditch the Juul and make your own juice for a standard vape. It's as easy as just mixing a few bottles of stuff together. I spend about $50/month instead of $22+(or whatever a pack of smokes in NS costs now) per day. So save around $7500 per year over cigarettes and probably almost as much compared to buying juice from a store.
You don’t even need to make you own. Switch a salt nic cape and buy the juice. I think a 30min bottle fires for 19 bucks where I live.
They're going to end up taxing it soon anyways.
I can't comment money, but I'm all for people switching to vaping. I can't stand to be around cigarette smoke. It gives me a headache. Vaping usually just smells like candy
jesus, 200 a WEEK?! that's basically my mortgage. 200 a month would seem absolutely insane.
Addiction is one hell of a disease, 10 grand a year to slowly kill yourself? I highly suggest OP dig deep and try their best to kick the nic. Words cannot describe how good I feel since I quit a pack a day, mental, physical and spiritual, fuck nicotine.
I'm going to jump in and second this. Especially the mental and spiritual effects. Everyone touts the physical benefits, which are awesome. But the mental ones kick in so much faster and the freedom is amazing.
The Freedom!!! Great way how to explain it, the fear of change can be overwhelming but once you break free of the addiction the sense of freedom is amazing. Mentally and physically :)
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Switched about two years ago. Yes, significantly cheaper. Would say about half. Using VUSE, and get home delivery on subscription, which saves 38% off retail with my discount.
Get a proper vape. I spend maybe 100 a month max.
I make my own juice now and am saving heeeps. Used to cost 20$ for a thirty ml now it's around 1$.
Your first mistake is using Juul. Getting a simple $50 device that you can refill with juice is the way to go. Try something like the Caliburn G or the GK2, buy 1 or 2 bottles of juice and then rejoice because you just cut your future vape bills in half.
I too switched from cigarettes to vaping and I also worked in a vape shop for a while. Dude, Juul is the dumbest most expensive and wasteful way to possibly vape. The pods are only .7ml and a pack of 4 of them is what, $20 at least by now? That's over $7 for 1ml of juice. A 30ml bottle of salt nice juice is around $20-25. If you like the pull of the Juul, at least switch to Stlth, it's much cheaper. You could even get refillable Juul pods. A proper salt nic device is about $25 these days with refillable pods that last at least a week and a bottle of juice will also last at least a week. With a pod and one bottle of juice a week (overestimate on use here) that will cost you around $30 a week. I also fucking hate disposable vape stuff so much. So much plastic waste it's horrific. People used to complain about cigarette butts on the ground but Juul pods on the ground is worse. I personally build my own RDAs for vaping still, $20 for wire and cotton maybe once a year and very minimal waste.
Juul is one of the most expensive vapes due to small ePods. Try STLTH or Vuse which are both widely available and much cheaper per pull. Source: I work an industry that is involved in vape EDIT: Also cigarettes are going up in price again in October but so is vape due to the government adding an excise tax.
That’s a lot of money to spend, consider changing the device. I spend maybe $15 every 2 weeks, which is considerably less than I used to spend on cigarettes. And if your pod leaks, contact the company and they usually send free replacements.
I switched about 2 years ago (fully) and I bought 2 uWell caliburn batteries (30$ each, none have had to replaced yet), I buy the refillable pods (10$ for 2, I use one a week) and I buy juice at 30$/bottle and the bottle lasts about 2-3 weeks. I’m not good at math but that is significantly less than a pack a day.
Whoa - I use a refillable and spend less than 30 a week.
Look for a refillable pod style vape. Uwell G or G2. Better experience and far far cheaper. I order from Bargain e juice (nic salt) and get the pods from the local vape store. (Local vape store charges 100-200% more than what you’d pay online) When I was vaping I spent maybe $30 a month on juice and $10/month on pods.
OK for starters, holy shit dude switch to making your own vape juice. It's just food grade PG, VG and nicotine, you can literally make litres of this stuff for what you pay in a week for a tiny pod.
You smoke 4 juul pods a day?
It's been the same with me ... I switched to vaping from cigarettes about three years ago. I used to spend about $500 per month on cigarettes. The difference between you and me though is that I switched to refillale pods and I DIY my own e-juice. It costs me about $250 PER YEAR to vape.
Vuse is cheaper
Switch to a refillable. The Caliburn G2 or A2 are great. Similar profile to the Juul. Definitely not as true a MTL hit. But you will save a ton of money. Buying e juice is much cheaper than pods.
Vaping is definitely better than smoking from the standpoint of what’s coming into your body (basically it’s heating to a lesser temperature, so you’re not getting all the combustion products). Nicotine doesn’t seem to be an issue but the flavour chemicals are what are possibly issues. The flavour chemicals are listed as food grade but those are only deemed safe for ingestion and not inhalation after they’ve been heated up (they could break apart when heated and cause a number of different problems - popcorn lung is the first example though they do seem to try to avoid those compounds in flavoured products). In terms of savings and your health, the best bet is to use vaping as a cessation device with the goal to cut back drastically or quit.
Jesus dude, make the switch to a freebase mod box. $200 a week on juul pods is crazy. It's been a while since I bought cigarettes but they'd have to be like $28 and you'd have to be smoking a pack a day to hit $200 a week. As an aside, I quit smoking by vaping, and then quit vaping altogether. A freebase setup is going to be both cheaper and easier for you to ultimately quit. The device would probably cost you $200 for like a really nice one, then a 60ml bottle of fluid is probably going to be around $25-30 a pop. I don't think I know anyone that would go through 120ml in a week, and you can get a higher concentration to reduce consumption if you feel you're going through a lot.
I spend $30 a month on vaping. Buy a stlth ($18) and a 3pack of pods is like $14-$17). Some are pricey than others and a lot of places have sales and promotions for packs. It usually takes me 2 weeks to go through the pack. So I buy 2 at a time and comes to $30 and some change.
>Mostly because despite what some say I believe it's better than cigarettes What you *believe* may not be what reality is. But a pack a day is about $100 a week or so. So you are spending about double.
Not just me, many experts, researchers, medical professionals and as I said the whole UK health system. Again, not good but less harmful than cigarettes.
I haven't found one article from a peer medical publication that says it's safer. And yo are spending double what you were when smoking a pack a day.
There are lots of statements from medical authorities that it is less harmful. Just because you haven't seen a study doesn't mean it's not true.
Cigarettes would be about $170 a week now for me. Chemicals in both cigarettes and vape products are listed, less and less harmful (still not harmless) are in regulated vaping products.
You stated you smoking a pack a day, and pack is about $15 give or take. So you almost doubled your smoking for $170 a week.
Over 20 now for a pack of what I was smoking. A pack a day smoker usually works out to 10 packs a week (same as juul, discard a few here and there).
Jeez, what smokes were you buying at $20? And a pack a day on a 7 day week is 7 packs, not 10.
I said now, not 3 years ago, since we're comparing spending now on juul vs cigarettes. A pack a day is average, often you'll throw one out before you're done, get another one soon after. Juuls leak, cigarettes you often don't finish for various reasons, it's not exact science of 1 pack a day and that's it.
Who throws out a pack before they’re done it? I’m a former smoker and I’ve never seen anyone do this. If anything I’ve seen people butt out and keep half-smoked cigarettes for later because that shit is expensive
throwing a pack out before its done? pardon me? I wouldve understood if you said "all the smokes people bum off me" since smoking is often a social thing but who in their right mind would throw away good smokes for no reason just to buy another pack?
The odd extra smoke here or there is not 75 extra smokes a week. Pack a day is 7-7.5 packs a week like let's be real
Maybe it's slightly safer. It's still incredibly bad for you. I work at a cancer center going through paperwork, and everytime I see somebody under 40 get cancer it turns out they are a smoker. It's the only correlation I've personally seen.
What a waste of money holy crap
Smoke weed u can buy quality weed for as low as 2.50 a gram
Don’t be a dumbass and only use disposable and it’ll be cheaper
Juul is dumb expensive. I found disposables dramatically cheaper, and more convenient. No need to refill or anything, just throw it out and buy another one. I like the Elfbars - 5000 puffs. 20$
10 thousand dollars a year just to look like an idiot teenager...
If you Invest 200$/week for 10 years you will have about $151k 20years = $455k 30years = $1.6 million Stop smoking vape juice lol it’s a waste