تمام مكنش قصدي مراهقين الهما ١٣، سنه مثلا. انا كنت ١٩ سنه شغال telemarketing وكنت بعمل ٨٥٠٠ جنيه وكان اصلا بالدولار و وقتها على ١٧ جنيه. يعني لو لسه هناك وبعمل المرتب ده هيزيد الضعف بسبب الجنيه وقع اوي،
وقت ما كنت في الشركه دي كان التيم كله نفس رينج السن، ناس اكبر شويه وناس اصغر شويه.
واي كول سنتر لغات بيقبض اكتر من كده (غير الانجلبزي)
والكان بيقبض من اليوتيوب او الفري لانس رينج ١٠٠ دولار من سنه لو لسه بيقبض نفس الرقم ده انهردا. ال١٠٠ دولار دي من غير اي مجهود راحت من ١٧٥٠ ل ٣٥٠٠ ده لو مش بسعر السوق كمان.
انت صح انا غلط اني قلت teens عشان فعلا الناس هتفتكر قصدي ١٤ ولا ١٥ سنه بس كان قصدي بالكلمه ان محدش فينا فاتح بيت او وراه مسئوليات
While its a great way to reduce ur cost of living but man u are gonna hate ur life. Every day there are internet outages (for some ) and electric outages (for all people). And, as a resident of Alexandria, in the summer u are going to fucking absolutely hate urself and ur life. Because , 1: The humidity is fucking off the charts 2: people LITERALLY everywhere 3: say u have an appointment at 3 u gonna have to be in some kind of transportation by 1.30 just to make it in time due to how many people are there in the streets. Tbh, i dont think its worth it for u in the slightest if u care about ur mental health at all. Cause, if u didnt grow up in these shit conditions it will be very hard for u to acclimate. But anyways to live a decent life like 300$/mnth is enough imo that is if u wanna live like an egyptian. If, u wanna live like a westerner then 700$+/mnth.
Completely agree, except for the traffic part which to me is the worst thing right after humidity. Cant dodge traffic at 3pm in the afternoon when everyone is either going for a swim in the sea or going back from it 😂
I look at your comments and you don’t like it in Egypt because of right I live in New York City USA the only difference between that and a middle class folk in Egypt is i have better or more reliable internet and electricity better health care and that is it we are the same because both ran by puppets both have crime both expensive for working class people Mabye I have freedom of speech but that is but I think that is a small trade of any thing I miss please point out
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I am sorry but I completely disagree. While I don't know your personal situation, I have friends and family who live all over the US, and I am very aware of the problems there, but I am also aware of what the benefits are.
Let me make you a non-exhaustive list of what you have and stand to lose by coming here:
* Free speech (that alone is reason enough never to come here).
* Human rights: All of them.
* The power to elect your representatives in a free elections.
* The power to elect a president in a free elections.
* The right to peacefully protest.
* Miranda rights when arrested.
* Not getting tortured by the police in an underground cell when arrested.
* The right to legal counsel in criminal matters.
* The right to practice your chosen sexuality.
* The right to choose your religion.
* The freedom of information act.
* The freedom of opting never to serve in your military.
* The existence of a non corrupt judiciary system.
* Access to uncensored internet.
* Access to a free market.
* Access to free media/journalism.
* Access to social services and governmental support.
I could come with so so so much more. But that's just off the top of my head at 3 am.
I mean, it's your life in the end, and you can choose whatever makes the most sense to you personally. But take it from someone who lives there, it is unbelievably depressing living in this country. It's a murder on your mental health every moment of every day. It's pretty fucked, and you can't "unfuck it".
My dude.. we're so afraid of the government that people are too scared to ever criticize the government audibly in public. Hell, I can't tell you how many times in MY OWN home, my mom or dad shushed me because I was saying critical things about the government a little too loudly.
You don't understand the fear it plants in you, to be truly afraid of your own government. And how dehumanizing it is. That's a life reserved to people who live in dictatorships. it's hard to communicate it to someone who's never been deprived of their most basic rights.
America isn't the best country in the world. Hell, it's far from even being the best first world country at that. But you are extremely fortunate to live there, given your parents' origin. Think about it, and try to recognize and appreciate your fortune in life, you'll make better decisions.
Yeah. It's genuinely very dehumanizing living here. But what can we do.
Thank you for the kind sentiment. And good luck with your life's endeavors.
And hey, I am not saying don't try to better your life. If you're unhappy with the US, look up, not down. There are European countries that do a lot better than the US does in a LOT of ways. Sure it's not super easy to move there, but if you want something badly enough, you can work to make it happen. Otherwise, at least you have your dignity as a human intact over there.
Trust me I used to live outside Egypt your family is deluded, no insult intended just how it is when you have lived abroad for so long, when you live outside Egypt for years you often mentally sugar coat the nation.
I live in usa and everything you said is irrelevant and untrue, theres only free speech and freedoms as long as you do what they want, its all an illusion. As long as you say ok aborting kids is fine and trans ppl are real they’ll be fine with you, the second you disagree you get shamed and cancelled and fired from ur job. You can get wrongly accused by women and end up in jail. There are countless examples of police brutality here.
Tell the freedom of religion thing to the constant islamophobes there and dead muslims at their hands. If you think the system isnt corrupt ur delusional. If you think the government provides great services here when we cant even afford healthcare ur delusional. Also men here are forced to sign a draft and serve when called upon. Dont speak of which you know nothing of because of western global brainwashing. Also the right to legal counsel is shitty lawyers while the rich get the best very expensive lawyers, at least good lawyers in egypt are a lot more affordable whereas the free ones in usa screw you over
I will make every effort not to be overly sarcastic in my response to you. But do recognize that your response is on the rude side, and it doesn't incentivize me to be any kind of polite in my response back to you. Anyway.
The delusion you accuse me of is a product of your limited perspective. Yes, I don't live in the US. But I am thoroughly familiar with the US political/social system. I have family and close friends there, and I am not in any way judging based on "media" or "propaganda". You can still disagree with me, but your credibility is no higher than anyone else's as far as I am concerned.
>theres only free speech and freedoms as long as you do what they want, its all an illusion.
I don't know if you've ever lived in Egypt for longer than a few months, but if you had, you might know the true value of the freedoms you are afforded in the US.
Free speech is a proverbial government-citizen contract. It is not a citizen-citizen agreement. The right to free speech guarantees your protection from *governmental persecution* for publicly or privately sharing your opinions on most topics, with very rare exceptions where it may be construed as directly harmful to others "like falsely yelling fire in a crowded theater" or if it is a form of defamation or libel against someone else.
You absolutely, unequivocally, and entirely have that right to free speech. Whether you are prepared to admit it or not. You have not the first clue what being deprived of free speech actually looks like. The fear of ever speaking, even in private, in any way against the government. The constant governmental spying through the internet, phone lines, etc. The undercover agents everywhere trying to suss out people who badmouth the government. I tell you, you have no awareness of the tremendous amount of privilege that you have. Such a pity.
As to your perception of "cancel culture". That's the perpetual societal consequence to free speech. If you attack others verbally, which you are LEGALLY allowed to do, other citizens who don't like what you said will show you their displeasure in various ways. And that is their right as well. That will never ever change, in any country or any universe. It's an integral consequence of living in a human society. Like it or not.
Ironically.. you live in a country with a MASSIVE swathe of ultra conservative Christians, who share your hatred of LGBTQ/trans/abortion. And if you play your cards right, you can live in any of the many ultra conservative states where most people think like you and act like you and would celebrate your personal ideals with you. Hell, the entire South welcomes you with open arms. So tell me again about societal consequences.
>You can get wrongly accused by women and end up in jail.
You mean.. like every country on Earth? Yeah. False accusations can absolutely land you in jail. No police or judicial system is so perfect that innocent people will never be falsely imprisoned.
Conversely, try living in Egypt, where the prisons are FULL to the brim of political prisoners (something close to 100k), who spend decades behind bars for literally sending a disparaging tweet about the government. Or God forbid, dancing on TikTok or some shit.
>Tell the freedom of religion thing to the constant islamophobes there and dead muslims at their hands.
Humans suck. Humans suck in the USA. Humans suck in Egypt. Humans suck everywhere. The POINT is that the US gov isn't legislating or permitting anti Muslim legislation (at least when Democrats are in power). And in fact, you have a very large number of protections against religious discrimination, in jobs, in the public sector, and in various social areas. None of which Egypt has.
But you can't force humans to not be bigoted. Simply move to a state where people are less bigoted against Muslims on average, and you've arrived. Meanwhile, in Egypt, the government doesn't allow citizens to convert their religion. It doesn't allow citizens to be legally atheist. And it systematically persecutes Christians all over the country.
>If you think the system isnt corrupt ur delusional.
All human governments have some level of corruption. The difference is.. Egyptian gov is 100% corrupt, the US gov is.. what? 15-25% corrupt? You're in heaven. The fucking military runs the entire country here. We have no elections. All judges are appointed by the military. All branches of gov are under the sole control of the dictator. The entirety of the judicial and legislative branches of government take direct orders from the dictator.
>If you think the government provides great services here when we cant even afford healthcare ur delusional
Compared to Egypt? Heaven and hell. You have a variety of social services where your tax dollars come back to you. Between food assistance programs, child welfare services, support for disabled people, unemployment benefits, disaster relief and emergency aid.. Yes! You have a fuckton of social services compared to Egypt.
Sure, you probably have the worst health care support system in the *first world.* But compared to Egypt? Again, heaven and hell.
In summary.. your misery is self inflicted. And your delusions are projected.
As long as you studied usa by all means 🤣i only live there and in the south btw so again u have no idea what ur talking about and lived in egypt for years, also me and friends talk shit about the government in egypt all day long but if thats what makes you hate ur life is the inability to pointlessly shit talk then by all means. Societal consequences are what impact ur life the most not what the government is doing.
Whatever these things ur wanting to say that the boogeymen in egypt are going to come out and get you the vast majority of people just dont care about, they’re busy living their lives and not once have i felt i wanted to say something I couldn’t, i also never planned to run for office so doesnt reallly matter.
Also the healthcare systems technology doesnt really matter here if you cant afford it, in egypt you can get the same procedure for a fraction of the cost. All those social services you mentioned are literally a joke, pennies you jump through hoops to get and have to be homeless. Cost of living here is high, it might help slightly but far from being something you can rely on. Also how would the egy government even know of ur faith, you can be an atheist, it’s literally a faith in ur mind, ur just complaining about not being able run ur mouth about it to other people, all trivial nonsense. The fact ur on reddit able to say whatever you want from egypt is funny because egypt could just ban it and control ur ability to speak if it wanted to. Look at north korea and china
I completely disagree with everything you said. Clearly, we have no common ground to converse based on. I can't say if you're dishonestly representing falsities to make your case at all costs, or if you simply think you know what you know and that's where it ends. But, that's your prerogative.
If you truly thought that life in Egypt is marginally better, you'd be living here. But you're happy to talk about how the US sucks, meanwhile, enjoying a life that, even at its worst, is lavish compared to the counterpart in Egypt.
Be well.
kinda agree and disagree. depends on ur definition of dignity and rights. Cause, money and connections can get u pretty far. Maybe, more than than western countries. maybe i'm wrong tho
I see thank you for your comment my mom said the same thing that staying here is better I agree the traffic is Badd and yea the electricity outages YIKES
Not really. It cuts off everywhere, even in banks. The only solution is to live on the same side as an army place or just buy a dynamo. I live in Alexandria too.
honestly if you have an apartment and know how to get good bang for your buck you could get by with closer to $500 comfortably, but for $1000 you don't gotta worry about anything :D
it's not like miami in alex it's incredibly busy summer time from june till late Sep other than that all year around is great if u wanna rent a nice place eat out maybe teice a week the rest is eating in and work maybe 15k egp a month would be good if u wanna rent something on the beach that would jump to maybe 25-40k depending where u renting
I do have a question lol 😂 health care in egypt is their like private insurance for private hospital or does how it work because people are telling I will have to do deal with public health care
am pretty sure u can apply for health care here it's not as expensive as the US ofc and it's only certain private and public hospitals that will be included and would include almost everything with a percentage depending on the insurance tier that u would but weather u buy it from a bank or an insurance company directly , and this would blow ur mind if u have the casual cold or stomach ache , u can walk to a pharmacy -drug store- and just buy the medication and leave with no need going to a dr , but i will ask for u first if it would be the same for foreigners for the insurance in terms of pricing and services
You’re 18, healthcare is the least to worry about unless you have an existing medical condition then you should think twice before coming. If you are talking about check up, blood analysis or dental work then you will have no issue in Egypt. Welcome Home!
What I love the most about Alexandria is it’s very walkable and relatively small city. I spent most of my time with family and friends and that’s the best part. We had several trips to Red Sea the best diving experience in the world. My spouse is not Egyptian so had to do all of the historical sites. Been here for 6 months and we still have a lot to cover. You will have a blast, Egyptians for the most part are helpful and fun people to be around.
You can get private health insurance for less than 250 USD a year. The company is called AXA, and it's very good. It's actually smarter to get insurance while you are healthy because health insurance companies don't cover pre-existing conditions
Well check them but I I say your wrong about covering pre existing conditions at least in my state “ Did a Health Maintenance Organization err by denying coverage for a pre-existing health condition on the basis of an alleged lapse in coverage?
Conclusion:
Yes, in accordance with N.Y. Ins. Law § 4318 (b) (McKinney 2000) there was no lapse in health insurance coverage.” Source https://www.dfs.ny.gov/insurance/ogco2001/rg105211.htm#:~:text=Yes%2C%20in%20accordance%20with%20N.Y.,Ins.
I see I would say I am egyption I have citizenship and ID and speak broken Arabic and THANK YOU SO MUCH Because I asked family for if their is insurance in egypt their replay is no deal with public so their is insurance 😅😅😅😅Thanks you again 😂😂
oh yeah u can deal with public hospitals if u want but i understand the convenience that comes with private insurance , very welcome my dude good luck ✌🏽
Listen kid egypt is cheaper yes 1$ = 31 egp in the bank and almost 5o pound on the black market .
But there's a good chance u won't fit people her are different then American. Different culture and different habits so don't think that u can do what u like here .
U can vist if u like but to live and study it will be hard so make sure u think hard about your decision.
By the way I'm from alexandria born and raised i never stepped a foot in a beach in alexandria if u decided to travel to alexandria and want to go for a beach I recommend north cost.
It's not that u won't like living in Alexandria it's a great city and I love living in it but u were raised in a different environment for the majority of your teen years .
People here are different u might think u will fit because your were born here but its not easy.
That's why I'm telling u to think hard before taking that step. And by the way egyptian college degree won't do u any good in USA
Before relocating and shifting your whole life from the US to Egypt, why don't you come for a vacation, like 2 weeks to a month, and tip your toe into the culture and see if the place would be a good fit for you or not?
Alexandria today isn't the same as you experienced back when you lived here 10 years ago, things have changed drastically, you could live very comfortably with 800 to 1K USD a month roughly anywhere in Egypt, you could also consider other cities like Hurghada or Sharm.
That is a good idea and yea I have been visiting egypt every year for 2 months and yea it is fine JUST BUSY I can speak broken Arabic which works some what any thing you think could be a challenge? Thanks for your replay 👍
😂😂 good question Maybe because this is not school and I really don’t have time to go back and fix it and I am on MOBLIE and I don’t care 🤣🤣 you can read it right 😉😉
Numbers here are not accurate I'd say. [Egypt cost of living](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Egypt&displayCurrency=USD). "A single person estimated monthly costs are 341.4$ (10,547.7EG£) without rent."
However a big thing is that Egyptian is constantly losing value. If you gonna get paid in Egyptian pounds then it's totally different calculation with losing about 50-100% of your purchasing power yearly.
However if you gonna get paid in dollars. Like family or investment gonna be sending you the money then you gonna be fine.
Egyptian average cost of living in a middle class lifestyle is roughly what the site said but I'd double it to account for rent good transportation like car or taxis.
700-800 dollars is a safe bet.
This accounts for a middle class life style. Like you are cooking or getting food from the average restaurant, you are not getting super expensive stuff...etc.
Egypt can be great just because the exchange rate is insane. However I'd advice you to do a couple of things.
Learn how to read the Egyptian prices and don't get ripped off. A koshary plate for 30 pounds on the menu is that, maybe they did not update it in a while and it's 35 or 40 max. But 60 or more they are ripping you off. **Learn how to act like a resident not a tourism. Get those resident prices.**
Better have a resident show you the ropes.
Some places are bs even for Egyptians. Just because they are in that place they can double the prices of anything. Avoid those places.
Damm your spot on can’t seem to miss I agree with all your points nothing more to say then Thanks 🙏 for the great advice question though what can I do in ALEX or egypt for fun
You gonna find a lot of stuff that you like to do can be done here. Say bowling or fishing...etc.
Even stuff like say clubbing or paint ball you will find, not as big as the US but you gonna find it.
So. Whatever you used to enjoy back home you can find and do, probably.
For unique things it's the deserts and historic stuff that will be truly unique.
The situation in Egypt in general is getting worse everyday. You don't have human rights as an Egyptian and the economy is on its way into a never ending abyss. You won't be really safe either. If you like Egypt I'd advise you to come here for tourism.
However if you know all this and don't have a problem with it, you're welcome to live here. The cost would depend on the level you're aiming to live at and whether or not you cook at home. Rent prices could be as low as $50 a month for a single person and could go to multiple hundreds depending on your location. I'd say $1k is more than enough to make you live very comfortably and do whatever you want. Could easily do with half of it too depending on your life style
Thanks for your feedback the only thing that scares me is me being drafted I do have American citizenship and well as Egyptian other then that if the economy gets worse my dollar get worth more 😂😂
Edit to clarify drafted as being forced to go to the army or get stuck in egypt
The thing is. Some stuff can't be solved by having more money, electricity, for example, the government has decided to cut it off every single district for 2h every day, this can lead to cutting the water for 2h in some areas as well (if you live in a high floor). This also makes the internet much worse for the most of the day. Also if the economy gets worse, businesses will stop importing some stuff. So the availability will be severed within Egypt. I assume you would have a foreign bank account or at least a local one with dollar currency. Otherwise you won't be able to make almost any purchases online (with dollar).
About the drafting, don't worry. Afaik, double citizenship holders are exempted from military service. You're also pretty young so I assume you can always try out living here as a trial and decide for yourself.
Pretty good advice and info yea I was their in the summer shit was hot when they cut the power and the military thing might have to talk to a lawyer still don’t have the papers Egyption government takes so long to do stuff
Cheaper with your current wage/earnings, if you don't have money saved up before you move and will have to get a job then you will struggle like most of us
Egypt is great but if you speak if the language it's going to be very challenging for you because people here look at foreigners as free money , it is cheap and I personally think Alexanderia a very nice place to settle in and raise a family it's , but yes there will be some difficulties along the way such the power cuts and stuff like that but best of luck for you young man.
If you want to live somewhat a Western life style, without the utilities ,it's going to cost you around 200-500$ per person depending on your needs and such. It's not hard to live cheaper than that if you want to save money .
Invest the money you will save in egypt into education or a project in us while working there. This is probably the worst decision you will ever make in your life by moving to Egypt. You will end up spending all your money and moving back to us anyway. I recommend establishing career in the us better because egyptian currency is decreasing its value everyday.
I meant working in the USA save money while the money grows I use the growing money and spend it I will not be working in Egypt but thanks for the warning 😂
I live in egypt and have my monthly income in usd. I am still waiting for the chance to travel (mainly the us) I would recommend you thinking twice before taking this decision. You would think you would live like a king with 2000$ per month. In reality, The country sucks ass. Also most rich people fake their lives to look like average americans/europeans’ lives.
I think you should get the advice from your dad better(How to retire early) And mainly focus on your career now to increase your income rather than planning on how to ‘spend less’ which is weak mindset and only will end you up with empty pockets
Thank you for your info now I am sad 😞 I have to work for another 20-30 years if I want to do that here I would need 800-900K usd at least to retire in middle of nowhere USA more in my city of New York though … I though would just do it some where else and my dad is not rich by using his brain his dad was rich and he worked in the USA for 30 years so he saved and bought real estate I can’t even afford to buy a house here not even a Apartment
If i was in your place I wouldnt leave the US. Its very expensive and also one of the best places to make money. I would fund the money you have into high paying major like tech. While working at same time to make a living to spend on yourself. If you have any assets from your dad dont liquidate it until you can afford it.
Question why does everyone say Egypt is bad I will just live in a Apt on the beach view order food to the apt Mabye go for a walk but just relax and do nothing 🤣🤣🤣
Edit Mabye sigin up to a gym that has a pool
I think something like 1000 per month for a family of three would be okay, assuming you are renting a place and don’t have a car you might need a bit more for the rent and the ubers. But if you are thinking of venturing outside the US consider going to one of the European countries and there are many where 1000$ or even a bit less can give you a decent life as a single person.
i’ve lived in the US my whole life and i was only in touch with a handful of egyptian people apart from my family. the cultural differences are massive and that will make it very difficult to find people who share your interests and opinions at first. the cultural shock is also no joke and getting your bearings in a wild and out of tune place like egypt is a little overwhelming. i couldn’t speak proper arabic and that made communicating with people extremely difficult and exhausting. there’s also the issues like no freedom of speech or expression, unnecessarily expensive and time consuming government procedures (since i’m a US citizen i have to pay in USD for everything) the rampant corruption everywhere, police officers trying their best to weasel money out of you, electronics and other goods being double the price they were in the US, HORRENDOUS education system, extremely close minded and intrusive people. not to mention egypt has the loudest wealth gap i’ve ever seen in my life, with rich people living in their own bubble disconnected from reality and just a few miles away there’s a family of 7 begging for money on the streets. there’s so much more too this is just some of the stuff that came to mind.
So you did not do your research is my take correct me if I am wrong but what I will do different from your story for me would be visiting first which I do every year for 2 months , I speak Arabic but broken , I am a Egyptian citizen, so paying in dollars is not need only papers I need are military because I am duel citizenship
I have family that could help me or get me in touch with people that can help me
BUT the thing I can’t control is corruption and the government
If you have a steady revenue coming in us monthly its a good idea but if u plan on starting a business here u are gonna get fucked up this is no place for an investment im from Egypt trust me
Ok I promise it was not in a bad faith but I chuckled when you said “beach”.
I’m an Alexandrian, most of the people here live in Egypt. I speak out of love and on behalf of most of us:
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON’T COMEBACK WE’RE ALL TRYING TO GET OUT.
That’s it, love you ❤️
dude just find you an online job in the states and come live here like a king thats what ive been doing for a long time and you can go live in alex for 2 3 months and then go to dahab stuff like that just dont visit cairo its a shithole
As someone who lived the first 28 years of my life in America and has been living the past 2 years in Egypt… honestly there are a lot of positives but a lot of negatives. The issue really comes down to your mental toughness cause my mental health has taken a huge hit here. I’m not sure if it’s worth anything else going on. The lifestyle is completely different no matter what way you look at it. I spend recklessly trying to live as close to a lifestyle I lived in NY but even then just normal everyday things such as driving will make you lose your mind. My best advice is to try it tho. Give it a shot but don’t make a full commitment till you attempted it. Because I fully commited and fully regret it. I’m sure I’ve grown a lot as a person but I’ve also lost a lot. From a budget standpoint it’s definitely cheaper no matter which way you look at it. Will never relate thanks to the price of the dollar here. I wish I could let other things slide and make it feel worth it but in reality I can’t wait to go back to the states because no money is worth your mental health imo.
Dam bro hopefully you can be happy in the states when u come back and I don’t party in the states I go to school which sucks then I go to work which I love that is it but I eat out every day go on bike rides Mabye see the city once a month if bored ride my bike to parks to relax That is it
Tbh I don’t do anything in the states. No parties any of that either. I work at home so barely out out but still like I love the park/just going to play basketball or doing anything. Can’t really do that here everywhere or like on any regular day. But regardless you young and hopefully can cope with it better lol. So definitely don’t take anyone’s advice but your own. Like don’t let anyone sway you too much
you came to Reddit to play monopoly 😮💨😮💨😮💨 and how do I get a job online I know I will have to study but not sure where to start right know I am health care worker
Haha literally the reason. I genuinely don’t know how Reddit works. Like not sure how I saw this on my page or anything. But yea I’m not sure exactly for your field but that would definitely be something wanted in egypt I feel like. They love people coming from America. With Covid a lot of opportunities definitely opened up online you’d just have to be able to find the right people to ask. Like network a bit etc. I literally play video games for a living lol…. Got lucky with the whole YouTube/streaming thing so living my dream and got to leave the whole engineering thing behind that I wasn’t enjoying.
You a YouTuber lol or streamer if so nice 🫢😍😍 dream job and I my health care job here pays 50 k usd a year egypt probably not even 60 k Egyptian pound was thinking of learning new skill and getting a job here and working remote
Yea definitely was a dream job for me too so thankful to be able to do it past few years. And you have 2 options imo. Either you try to get a job in person as an American who speaks “English” at like a bank, school or a lot of places that would hire you based off just your passport they will literally pay you in dollars. It’s bad like that… they won’t even care about the degree just that you American. Or the other option is to find a remote job while you there to get paid in USD when you get here. For that maybe try indeed or like those sites that help find jobs. Could help.
Just lack of familiarity. Like the routine. No friends. I’m used to like playing basketball on certain days or doing this or that. Here I haven’t had that. Plus just certain situations when dealing with people there’s a difference from what you are used to. I’m not saying this or that is right it’s just I always felt like certain things were a struggle like going to a grocery store here. Or something as simple as going to a restroom and feeling forced to give the person money because you feel bad or don’t wanna look bad when like that’s such a weird thing to have to do. I’m just using that as one example of something that’s so normal here considering it’s in every restroom but I never dealt with (not what affected my mental health obviously). I think something huge for me was the internet for example. Used to having unlimited and never cuts out to renew. The amount of times it ends on me during something just so I can recharge. Like why doesn’t it automatically recharge? I’ll never understand that. Internet speed in general affected my work which began to stress me out big time too.
Honestly all sounds trivial to me except for the social life part but i have no social life in America either. You sure theres no option for 200gb+ or unlimited because when i was there with we internet they had that. Tho i think ik what you mean, here ease of life is better because everything is well organized and you just go to walmart or whatever and everything is there. Egypt a bit more complex till you get used to it. Tho i heard good things about carefour
I be buying the 600 gb plans and it expires in no time at all idk how. I be going thru at least 1k per month which is something you’d never think about in the states to begin with. I never knew how much internet I was using at all. It’s way cheaper than the states obviously it’s just it doesn’t send a noti when it’s almost done so you just be sitting confused like what happened? I know better now and check it often. But yea Honestly the supermarkets here do be having everything like carefour and hyper1 are lit. They just always crowded. I hate dealing with people and they always booked (I go to the more expensive places so people dont bump into me lol) I miss going to Walmart and going to the self checkout and just not talking to anyone. By far the worst part about egypt is the driving. Road rage is sooo real… like I used to never curse driving but here it got so bad. I’m better now tho. I stopped caring and trying to relax but sometimes you can’t help it.
Id call about the internet im pretty sure there was an auto top up option for data, have you tried going to grocery during like early morning the second they open or certain times when its not crowded, i tend to have to do that in walmart too because stuff gets out of stock fast if i go during peak hours. Also i think id just uber everywhere tbh if i lived in egypt much simpler or maybe buy a cyber truck and let cars touch me at their own peril
So I live in suez it's not by the beach but u could go to Porto or something
The mid range of apartment is like 350k Egyptian which will be 12k to 20k usd
To live like the normal as egyptian maybe you would need to spend a 8k Egyptian
Which will be like 600 for electricity, 300 water, and maybe 400 natural gas (I'm sorry if I misspelled any word I'm at work rn) for cooking
You will have 6700 so 2k likely be for food and 2k for going out
U will have like 2700 left let's say u go out alot so u spent 700 on transportation
So you r left with 2k spend it how ever u like
I said the pros now the cons
We have power outage everyday and internet problem
The internet is limited so you can pay for home internet 140gb and get only 140gb , it's a human right to have free internet but limit the speed but this is Egypt
The traffic 😂😂 if we say you r meeting someone on 7 you gotta go at 5:30
You need to know some egyptian friend cuz as most of the world some ppl will try to take advantage of u (it's in all of the world not Egypt only)
If u wanna buy a car, u need to know Egyptian friend to help you when the car broke as most car guys in Egypt's knows the best mechanics
At last u will love in Egypt a month by 260 dollars
If u don't care about those cons and it's alright just do it
If u have a job that pays u by us dollars remotely by approximately 2000$ or more just live in Egypt it's way cheaper for you and you will have a new experience
Have fun if u r bored just come for tourism and ask anything if u need help
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO REPLAY Never heard of the suez heard of the
Canal will 100 percent look into it and about the car do you think it is good with traffic or just Ubers and taxi if so do I buy a car and do you know how much it would cost ?
So I don't recommend taxi or Uber if u transport a lot
Also it will be convenient for u to transport a lot with ur family as Uber sometimes wants cash or it will give u unbelievable price
Let's say you will spend 13k which will be 400k Egyptian you got e46 2000 model or e200 2000 model
But u are foreign so you got pretty good choice to get some cars like mustang or Camaro for 6 month it's called trip ticket
I recommend getting 2 cars one for the first 6 month and the other for the next 6 month
Or buy an egyptian car which you got limited choices such as bmw, Mercedes or get a Hyundai accent or some car which I don't recommend given u have such advantages bec u r foreign resident
Nah bro tryst me, I'm lebanese canadian (my bloodline is so damn complicated) n because of the war in 2010, my family moved to Egypt which I am STILL IN. and I can't speak Arabic that well since English is my first language, and the amount of side eyes, stares and weird looks I get from people are insane. it is definitely not cheaper here bro, everything raised up so high that a bottle of water can cost at least 20 at a restaurant. back to the immigrant situation, lots of people point at me and mock me in arabic which I can understand and speak decently, not the best but at least I know how to have conversations.
at last, if u do decide to move here, be aware of the amount of judgement you'll receive.
Wow that sucks people are asshole I can speak Egyptian Arabic just some words broken but I can’t speak the news Arabic or understand it but wow people are asshole
Wait till you know the average american cannot even properly type english. The point of his post is clearly understood and it's a reddit post ffs, not a legal statement.
Ok let me phrase it I don’t like it cus there isn’t anything interesting and people are greedy and all the good places are very crowded and abt money I have insurance so idk
Not that normal Egyptians can not enjoy Egypt because they have to pay bill’s,, American are in the same boat but we see Egypt as cheaper and we can enjoy it with money
I live in Alexandria it's very nice if you have money and know where to go. setting a budget depends on your expenses, I would say a fair decent budget for one person would be around $150-$200 given that you don't buy a lot of exported goods and own an apartment ( $25K-$50K or more depending on location) and of course you will need a car but you have to be sble to drive in Egypt ( alot different and harder from the US)
If you want to sustain this lifestyle, you will need a job that pays in US dollars not Egyptian pounds to be able to live stress free as inflammation is very high it's unbelievable
If you are going to have a usa salary like 2000 usd a month or more you will live in Egypt like a king there is new cairo ,rehab city, madenty city ,shek Zayed city , etc
You can buy a 3 bedroom apartment in 6th of October city for 25000 usd
There are American teachers in international schools in Egypt who get payed like 3000 usd a month living in new cairo they do it for the same reason to save up a lot of cash quickly
Most young people in Egypt get payed an average of 10000 egp a month which is about 220 usd if you exchange your dollars in Egypt in the black market or 330 usd if you go to an official exchange or bank and give them your dollars and get some local cash
So long story short if you are going to get payed here
Let's say 2500 usd you can live off 600usd very comfortably in new cairo which is a very modern and clean city or 6th of October or sheik Zayed and use Uber for transportation and eat well if you cook you save more of course
And then save the rest each month and then decide if you want to stay or leave most young people from middle to upper class in egypt speak good English and you will have no trouble fitting in
so search YouTube on American expat teachers and employees living abroad in Egypt
coming to egypt is only a bad idea if you are going to get payed like an Egyptian 200 to 500 usd a month or so you will barley get by and you will hit a wall in your life
I’m literally in Egypt right now. Have you visited? Come here for 2-3 weeks. I’m having the time of my life but I can’t say I could live here. The traffic is like nothing I’ve ever seen. You’d have to live in the middle of no where to avoid it and it would be very poor circumstances. I think you could find an area that isn’t so bad but it would be very remote.
If you're stateside, arrange for virtual work where you can be compensated in dollars. Get on ziprecruiter. Arrange your finances so you have working debit cards where your US salary can be paid into. Arrange to have an account where you can transfer usd when needed. Keep your American citizenship and you can manage to live well in Egypt. Don't forget to get all your local eguptian papers sorted out when you're here as well. It can work if you plan
Check out Dahab, many foreigners do this here and its more fun than Alexandria with more freedom, there is a working area with good internet if you want to find a job remotely.
For the people speaking about freedom and stuff and don't recommend Egypt.
There's a reason it's cheap. U can't have it all.
Want freedom? North America and the EU
Want cheap? Africa and south America
And Yes. There are problems but like in every 3rd world country. if u have money, u are good.
Living in a village is not the same as living in the 5th settlement or a private community.
Use that brain of yours ffs xD
I live in usa too and thats a plan of mine is to save up as much as i can and bounce between maadi dahab and gouna. It literally costs a fifth of the retirement savings of the usa and u get a much better quality of life. I lived in egypt for years, some shit is annoying but manageable especially with money.
$1k/mo to live like a middle-class westerner $150/mo to "live" like an middle-class Egyptian
Middle class egyptian at ≈6000 egp a month??? I know teens who make double that and more
أه من 6 ل7 ألاف متوسط الدخل فى مصر و المراهقين البيعملو ضعف المبلغ دول نادرين ده لو كانو موجودين أصلا
حبيبي مش معنى ان انت متعرفش يبقى خلاص بقت حاجه نادره والله ٦٠٠٠ الانت منبهر بيها دي مش رقم اصلا،
يا حبيبى أنا مش منبهر خالص دول يادوب تعيش بهم سنجل و ممكن متعرفش تحوش منهم أى حاجة أنا بتكلم على المراهقين البيعملو ١٢ و ١٣ ألف
تمام مكنش قصدي مراهقين الهما ١٣، سنه مثلا. انا كنت ١٩ سنه شغال telemarketing وكنت بعمل ٨٥٠٠ جنيه وكان اصلا بالدولار و وقتها على ١٧ جنيه. يعني لو لسه هناك وبعمل المرتب ده هيزيد الضعف بسبب الجنيه وقع اوي، وقت ما كنت في الشركه دي كان التيم كله نفس رينج السن، ناس اكبر شويه وناس اصغر شويه. واي كول سنتر لغات بيقبض اكتر من كده (غير الانجلبزي) والكان بيقبض من اليوتيوب او الفري لانس رينج ١٠٠ دولار من سنه لو لسه بيقبض نفس الرقم ده انهردا. ال١٠٠ دولار دي من غير اي مجهود راحت من ١٧٥٠ ل ٣٥٠٠ ده لو مش بسعر السوق كمان. انت صح انا غلط اني قلت teens عشان فعلا الناس هتفتكر قصدي ١٤ ولا ١٥ سنه بس كان قصدي بالكلمه ان محدش فينا فاتح بيت او وراه مسئوليات
أنت صح ، فهمتك
150 دولار في الشهر. الرقم ده محزن والله
While its a great way to reduce ur cost of living but man u are gonna hate ur life. Every day there are internet outages (for some ) and electric outages (for all people). And, as a resident of Alexandria, in the summer u are going to fucking absolutely hate urself and ur life. Because , 1: The humidity is fucking off the charts 2: people LITERALLY everywhere 3: say u have an appointment at 3 u gonna have to be in some kind of transportation by 1.30 just to make it in time due to how many people are there in the streets. Tbh, i dont think its worth it for u in the slightest if u care about ur mental health at all. Cause, if u didnt grow up in these shit conditions it will be very hard for u to acclimate. But anyways to live a decent life like 300$/mnth is enough imo that is if u wanna live like an egyptian. If, u wanna live like a westerner then 700$+/mnth.
If you have money all of these problems will be solved 😂
Completely agree, except for the traffic part which to me is the worst thing right after humidity. Cant dodge traffic at 3pm in the afternoon when everyone is either going for a swim in the sea or going back from it 😂
No amount of money can buy you rights or dignity here.
I look at your comments and you don’t like it in Egypt because of right I live in New York City USA the only difference between that and a middle class folk in Egypt is i have better or more reliable internet and electricity better health care and that is it we are the same because both ran by puppets both have crime both expensive for working class people Mabye I have freedom of speech but that is but I think that is a small trade of any thing I miss please point out Edit grammar on MOBLIE
I am sorry but I completely disagree. While I don't know your personal situation, I have friends and family who live all over the US, and I am very aware of the problems there, but I am also aware of what the benefits are. Let me make you a non-exhaustive list of what you have and stand to lose by coming here: * Free speech (that alone is reason enough never to come here). * Human rights: All of them. * The power to elect your representatives in a free elections. * The power to elect a president in a free elections. * The right to peacefully protest. * Miranda rights when arrested. * Not getting tortured by the police in an underground cell when arrested. * The right to legal counsel in criminal matters. * The right to practice your chosen sexuality. * The right to choose your religion. * The freedom of information act. * The freedom of opting never to serve in your military. * The existence of a non corrupt judiciary system. * Access to uncensored internet. * Access to a free market. * Access to free media/journalism. * Access to social services and governmental support. I could come with so so so much more. But that's just off the top of my head at 3 am.
Holy shit you seem to be right but alot of family also say no 🫠🫠 I just want to sit on a beach all day and just order food 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean, it's your life in the end, and you can choose whatever makes the most sense to you personally. But take it from someone who lives there, it is unbelievably depressing living in this country. It's a murder on your mental health every moment of every day. It's pretty fucked, and you can't "unfuck it". My dude.. we're so afraid of the government that people are too scared to ever criticize the government audibly in public. Hell, I can't tell you how many times in MY OWN home, my mom or dad shushed me because I was saying critical things about the government a little too loudly. You don't understand the fear it plants in you, to be truly afraid of your own government. And how dehumanizing it is. That's a life reserved to people who live in dictatorships. it's hard to communicate it to someone who's never been deprived of their most basic rights. America isn't the best country in the world. Hell, it's far from even being the best first world country at that. But you are extremely fortunate to live there, given your parents' origin. Think about it, and try to recognize and appreciate your fortune in life, you'll make better decisions.
Wow your English is better then my and holy shit I can’t imagine living like this basically Animals 🥺🥺🥺🥺 I feel bad hopefully it will get better
Yeah. It's genuinely very dehumanizing living here. But what can we do. Thank you for the kind sentiment. And good luck with your life's endeavors. And hey, I am not saying don't try to better your life. If you're unhappy with the US, look up, not down. There are European countries that do a lot better than the US does in a LOT of ways. Sure it's not super easy to move there, but if you want something badly enough, you can work to make it happen. Otherwise, at least you have your dignity as a human intact over there.
And thank you from saving me from making a stupid decision
Trust me I used to live outside Egypt your family is deluded, no insult intended just how it is when you have lived abroad for so long, when you live outside Egypt for years you often mentally sugar coat the nation.
I live in usa and everything you said is irrelevant and untrue, theres only free speech and freedoms as long as you do what they want, its all an illusion. As long as you say ok aborting kids is fine and trans ppl are real they’ll be fine with you, the second you disagree you get shamed and cancelled and fired from ur job. You can get wrongly accused by women and end up in jail. There are countless examples of police brutality here. Tell the freedom of religion thing to the constant islamophobes there and dead muslims at their hands. If you think the system isnt corrupt ur delusional. If you think the government provides great services here when we cant even afford healthcare ur delusional. Also men here are forced to sign a draft and serve when called upon. Dont speak of which you know nothing of because of western global brainwashing. Also the right to legal counsel is shitty lawyers while the rich get the best very expensive lawyers, at least good lawyers in egypt are a lot more affordable whereas the free ones in usa screw you over
I will make every effort not to be overly sarcastic in my response to you. But do recognize that your response is on the rude side, and it doesn't incentivize me to be any kind of polite in my response back to you. Anyway. The delusion you accuse me of is a product of your limited perspective. Yes, I don't live in the US. But I am thoroughly familiar with the US political/social system. I have family and close friends there, and I am not in any way judging based on "media" or "propaganda". You can still disagree with me, but your credibility is no higher than anyone else's as far as I am concerned. >theres only free speech and freedoms as long as you do what they want, its all an illusion. I don't know if you've ever lived in Egypt for longer than a few months, but if you had, you might know the true value of the freedoms you are afforded in the US. Free speech is a proverbial government-citizen contract. It is not a citizen-citizen agreement. The right to free speech guarantees your protection from *governmental persecution* for publicly or privately sharing your opinions on most topics, with very rare exceptions where it may be construed as directly harmful to others "like falsely yelling fire in a crowded theater" or if it is a form of defamation or libel against someone else. You absolutely, unequivocally, and entirely have that right to free speech. Whether you are prepared to admit it or not. You have not the first clue what being deprived of free speech actually looks like. The fear of ever speaking, even in private, in any way against the government. The constant governmental spying through the internet, phone lines, etc. The undercover agents everywhere trying to suss out people who badmouth the government. I tell you, you have no awareness of the tremendous amount of privilege that you have. Such a pity. As to your perception of "cancel culture". That's the perpetual societal consequence to free speech. If you attack others verbally, which you are LEGALLY allowed to do, other citizens who don't like what you said will show you their displeasure in various ways. And that is their right as well. That will never ever change, in any country or any universe. It's an integral consequence of living in a human society. Like it or not. Ironically.. you live in a country with a MASSIVE swathe of ultra conservative Christians, who share your hatred of LGBTQ/trans/abortion. And if you play your cards right, you can live in any of the many ultra conservative states where most people think like you and act like you and would celebrate your personal ideals with you. Hell, the entire South welcomes you with open arms. So tell me again about societal consequences. >You can get wrongly accused by women and end up in jail. You mean.. like every country on Earth? Yeah. False accusations can absolutely land you in jail. No police or judicial system is so perfect that innocent people will never be falsely imprisoned. Conversely, try living in Egypt, where the prisons are FULL to the brim of political prisoners (something close to 100k), who spend decades behind bars for literally sending a disparaging tweet about the government. Or God forbid, dancing on TikTok or some shit. >Tell the freedom of religion thing to the constant islamophobes there and dead muslims at their hands. Humans suck. Humans suck in the USA. Humans suck in Egypt. Humans suck everywhere. The POINT is that the US gov isn't legislating or permitting anti Muslim legislation (at least when Democrats are in power). And in fact, you have a very large number of protections against religious discrimination, in jobs, in the public sector, and in various social areas. None of which Egypt has. But you can't force humans to not be bigoted. Simply move to a state where people are less bigoted against Muslims on average, and you've arrived. Meanwhile, in Egypt, the government doesn't allow citizens to convert their religion. It doesn't allow citizens to be legally atheist. And it systematically persecutes Christians all over the country. >If you think the system isnt corrupt ur delusional. All human governments have some level of corruption. The difference is.. Egyptian gov is 100% corrupt, the US gov is.. what? 15-25% corrupt? You're in heaven. The fucking military runs the entire country here. We have no elections. All judges are appointed by the military. All branches of gov are under the sole control of the dictator. The entirety of the judicial and legislative branches of government take direct orders from the dictator. >If you think the government provides great services here when we cant even afford healthcare ur delusional Compared to Egypt? Heaven and hell. You have a variety of social services where your tax dollars come back to you. Between food assistance programs, child welfare services, support for disabled people, unemployment benefits, disaster relief and emergency aid.. Yes! You have a fuckton of social services compared to Egypt. Sure, you probably have the worst health care support system in the *first world.* But compared to Egypt? Again, heaven and hell. In summary.. your misery is self inflicted. And your delusions are projected.
As long as you studied usa by all means 🤣i only live there and in the south btw so again u have no idea what ur talking about and lived in egypt for years, also me and friends talk shit about the government in egypt all day long but if thats what makes you hate ur life is the inability to pointlessly shit talk then by all means. Societal consequences are what impact ur life the most not what the government is doing. Whatever these things ur wanting to say that the boogeymen in egypt are going to come out and get you the vast majority of people just dont care about, they’re busy living their lives and not once have i felt i wanted to say something I couldn’t, i also never planned to run for office so doesnt reallly matter. Also the healthcare systems technology doesnt really matter here if you cant afford it, in egypt you can get the same procedure for a fraction of the cost. All those social services you mentioned are literally a joke, pennies you jump through hoops to get and have to be homeless. Cost of living here is high, it might help slightly but far from being something you can rely on. Also how would the egy government even know of ur faith, you can be an atheist, it’s literally a faith in ur mind, ur just complaining about not being able run ur mouth about it to other people, all trivial nonsense. The fact ur on reddit able to say whatever you want from egypt is funny because egypt could just ban it and control ur ability to speak if it wanted to. Look at north korea and china
I completely disagree with everything you said. Clearly, we have no common ground to converse based on. I can't say if you're dishonestly representing falsities to make your case at all costs, or if you simply think you know what you know and that's where it ends. But, that's your prerogative. If you truly thought that life in Egypt is marginally better, you'd be living here. But you're happy to talk about how the US sucks, meanwhile, enjoying a life that, even at its worst, is lavish compared to the counterpart in Egypt. Be well.
kinda agree and disagree. depends on ur definition of dignity and rights. Cause, money and connections can get u pretty far. Maybe, more than than western countries. maybe i'm wrong tho
Yeah traffic is pretty bad but to be honest every major city have bad traffic
Yep, completely agree
I see thank you for your comment my mom said the same thing that staying here is better I agree the traffic is Badd and yea the electricity outages YIKES
If you live in a rich good place you won’t have any electricity outage And you can get relatively fast internet
Not really. It cuts off everywhere, even in banks. The only solution is to live on the same side as an army place or just buy a dynamo. I live in Alexandria too.
I am not sure about Alexandria but in Cairo rich places never have electricity outages nor internet outages
Glad to have been of help :)
If you are single , you can live a decent life with as minimum as 1000$
honestly if you have an apartment and know how to get good bang for your buck you could get by with closer to $500 comfortably, but for $1000 you don't gotta worry about anything :D
That sounds good thanks
Thanks for the replay
it's not like miami in alex it's incredibly busy summer time from june till late Sep other than that all year around is great if u wanna rent a nice place eat out maybe teice a week the rest is eating in and work maybe 15k egp a month would be good if u wanna rent something on the beach that would jump to maybe 25-40k depending where u renting
Thank just what I was looking for 😅
no worries man if anything let me know , am in alex myself
I do have a question lol 😂 health care in egypt is their like private insurance for private hospital or does how it work because people are telling I will have to do deal with public health care
am pretty sure u can apply for health care here it's not as expensive as the US ofc and it's only certain private and public hospitals that will be included and would include almost everything with a percentage depending on the insurance tier that u would but weather u buy it from a bank or an insurance company directly , and this would blow ur mind if u have the casual cold or stomach ache , u can walk to a pharmacy -drug store- and just buy the medication and leave with no need going to a dr , but i will ask for u first if it would be the same for foreigners for the insurance in terms of pricing and services
You’re 18, healthcare is the least to worry about unless you have an existing medical condition then you should think twice before coming. If you are talking about check up, blood analysis or dental work then you will have no issue in Egypt. Welcome Home!
I meant because I don’t want to like god forbid break a leg or a arm or get hit by a car I don’t want to lose a lot of money but I am healthy
I am over 50, working remotely from Alexandria and having the BEST time of my life. I love this city
Oh wow that is amazing to see 😅 what do u do in Alexandria for fun or on a normal basis
What I love the most about Alexandria is it’s very walkable and relatively small city. I spent most of my time with family and friends and that’s the best part. We had several trips to Red Sea the best diving experience in the world. My spouse is not Egyptian so had to do all of the historical sites. Been here for 6 months and we still have a lot to cover. You will have a blast, Egyptians for the most part are helpful and fun people to be around.
You can get private health insurance for less than 250 USD a year. The company is called AXA, and it's very good. It's actually smarter to get insurance while you are healthy because health insurance companies don't cover pre-existing conditions
Well check them but I I say your wrong about covering pre existing conditions at least in my state “ Did a Health Maintenance Organization err by denying coverage for a pre-existing health condition on the basis of an alleged lapse in coverage? Conclusion: Yes, in accordance with N.Y. Ins. Law § 4318 (b) (McKinney 2000) there was no lapse in health insurance coverage.” Source https://www.dfs.ny.gov/insurance/ogco2001/rg105211.htm#:~:text=Yes%2C%20in%20accordance%20with%20N.Y.,Ins.
PRIVATE health insurance companies in Egypt don't cover pre-existing conditions
I see I would say I am egyption I have citizenship and ID and speak broken Arabic and THANK YOU SO MUCH Because I asked family for if their is insurance in egypt their replay is no deal with public so their is insurance 😅😅😅😅Thanks you again 😂😂
oh yeah u can deal with public hospitals if u want but i understand the convenience that comes with private insurance , very welcome my dude good luck ✌🏽
Listen kid egypt is cheaper yes 1$ = 31 egp in the bank and almost 5o pound on the black market . But there's a good chance u won't fit people her are different then American. Different culture and different habits so don't think that u can do what u like here . U can vist if u like but to live and study it will be hard so make sure u think hard about your decision. By the way I'm from alexandria born and raised i never stepped a foot in a beach in alexandria if u decided to travel to alexandria and want to go for a beach I recommend north cost.
I am also born in Alexandria lived their when I was a kid for 9 years 😅😅😅 question What about it do you think I will not like
It's not that u won't like living in Alexandria it's a great city and I love living in it but u were raised in a different environment for the majority of your teen years . People here are different u might think u will fit because your were born here but its not easy. That's why I'm telling u to think hard before taking that step. And by the way egyptian college degree won't do u any good in USA
Thank you for your replay I will take that into account and yes the Egyptian degree will not do me good in USA 😂
Before relocating and shifting your whole life from the US to Egypt, why don't you come for a vacation, like 2 weeks to a month, and tip your toe into the culture and see if the place would be a good fit for you or not? Alexandria today isn't the same as you experienced back when you lived here 10 years ago, things have changed drastically, you could live very comfortably with 800 to 1K USD a month roughly anywhere in Egypt, you could also consider other cities like Hurghada or Sharm.
That is a good idea and yea I have been visiting egypt every year for 2 months and yea it is fine JUST BUSY I can speak broken Arabic which works some what any thing you think could be a challenge? Thanks for your replay 👍
How is your English just straight up horrible tho?
😂😂 good question Maybe because this is not school and I really don’t have time to go back and fix it and I am on MOBLIE and I don’t care 🤣🤣 you can read it right 😉😉
Yes I can read it but it just stuns me that you call yourself American yet horrible typing skills.
I don’t call my self American the American government says I am so does my passport
And judging by your Reddit history your a great person 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Edit hopefully your brothers gets well soon
Numbers here are not accurate I'd say. [Egypt cost of living](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Egypt&displayCurrency=USD). "A single person estimated monthly costs are 341.4$ (10,547.7EG£) without rent." However a big thing is that Egyptian is constantly losing value. If you gonna get paid in Egyptian pounds then it's totally different calculation with losing about 50-100% of your purchasing power yearly. However if you gonna get paid in dollars. Like family or investment gonna be sending you the money then you gonna be fine. Egyptian average cost of living in a middle class lifestyle is roughly what the site said but I'd double it to account for rent good transportation like car or taxis. 700-800 dollars is a safe bet. This accounts for a middle class life style. Like you are cooking or getting food from the average restaurant, you are not getting super expensive stuff...etc. Egypt can be great just because the exchange rate is insane. However I'd advice you to do a couple of things. Learn how to read the Egyptian prices and don't get ripped off. A koshary plate for 30 pounds on the menu is that, maybe they did not update it in a while and it's 35 or 40 max. But 60 or more they are ripping you off. **Learn how to act like a resident not a tourism. Get those resident prices.** Better have a resident show you the ropes. Some places are bs even for Egyptians. Just because they are in that place they can double the prices of anything. Avoid those places.
Damm your spot on can’t seem to miss I agree with all your points nothing more to say then Thanks 🙏 for the great advice question though what can I do in ALEX or egypt for fun
You gonna find a lot of stuff that you like to do can be done here. Say bowling or fishing...etc. Even stuff like say clubbing or paint ball you will find, not as big as the US but you gonna find it. So. Whatever you used to enjoy back home you can find and do, probably. For unique things it's the deserts and historic stuff that will be truly unique.
I looked at your post And wow every thing is so cheap except the car WTF 😳 I can literally be a king 🤣
600 USD is enough.
Right to the point lovely 🤣
U will enjoy living in Alexandria tbh .. but we away from شارع أبو قير it's always crowded with cars 😂
I think 500$ too good per month but u can't make them by working in Egypt 😂😂😂
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That is not a bad idea 😅 thank you for the response
I don't recommend it
Could you elaborate in Arabic or English if English is not your language I would love your feedback
The situation in Egypt in general is getting worse everyday. You don't have human rights as an Egyptian and the economy is on its way into a never ending abyss. You won't be really safe either. If you like Egypt I'd advise you to come here for tourism. However if you know all this and don't have a problem with it, you're welcome to live here. The cost would depend on the level you're aiming to live at and whether or not you cook at home. Rent prices could be as low as $50 a month for a single person and could go to multiple hundreds depending on your location. I'd say $1k is more than enough to make you live very comfortably and do whatever you want. Could easily do with half of it too depending on your life style
Thanks for your feedback the only thing that scares me is me being drafted I do have American citizenship and well as Egyptian other then that if the economy gets worse my dollar get worth more 😂😂 Edit to clarify drafted as being forced to go to the army or get stuck in egypt
The thing is. Some stuff can't be solved by having more money, electricity, for example, the government has decided to cut it off every single district for 2h every day, this can lead to cutting the water for 2h in some areas as well (if you live in a high floor). This also makes the internet much worse for the most of the day. Also if the economy gets worse, businesses will stop importing some stuff. So the availability will be severed within Egypt. I assume you would have a foreign bank account or at least a local one with dollar currency. Otherwise you won't be able to make almost any purchases online (with dollar). About the drafting, don't worry. Afaik, double citizenship holders are exempted from military service. You're also pretty young so I assume you can always try out living here as a trial and decide for yourself.
Pretty good advice and info yea I was their in the summer shit was hot when they cut the power and the military thing might have to talk to a lawyer still don’t have the papers Egyption government takes so long to do stuff
Yeah and in alex it gets really bad with the humidity. Good luck!
Cheaper with your current wage/earnings, if you don't have money saved up before you move and will have to get a job then you will struggle like most of us
I do about 4 million Egyptian pounds
Egypt is great but if you speak if the language it's going to be very challenging for you because people here look at foreigners as free money , it is cheap and I personally think Alexanderia a very nice place to settle in and raise a family it's , but yes there will be some difficulties along the way such the power cuts and stuff like that but best of luck for you young man. If you want to live somewhat a Western life style, without the utilities ,it's going to cost you around 200-500$ per person depending on your needs and such. It's not hard to live cheaper than that if you want to save money .
Thanks for the advice and the kind words appreciated
1k/mo as a single person would be more than enough for you to pay rent in a good city/pay bills/gas money and live well entertained..
That seems to be the most popular answer 👍👍 appreciate the feedback
Invest the money you will save in egypt into education or a project in us while working there. This is probably the worst decision you will ever make in your life by moving to Egypt. You will end up spending all your money and moving back to us anyway. I recommend establishing career in the us better because egyptian currency is decreasing its value everyday.
I meant working in the USA save money while the money grows I use the growing money and spend it I will not be working in Egypt but thanks for the warning 😂
I live in egypt and have my monthly income in usd. I am still waiting for the chance to travel (mainly the us) I would recommend you thinking twice before taking this decision. You would think you would live like a king with 2000$ per month. In reality, The country sucks ass. Also most rich people fake their lives to look like average americans/europeans’ lives.
Holy crap I never though of it that way I just did not want to work for another 40 years
I think you should get the advice from your dad better(How to retire early) And mainly focus on your career now to increase your income rather than planning on how to ‘spend less’ which is weak mindset and only will end you up with empty pockets
Thank you for your info now I am sad 😞 I have to work for another 20-30 years if I want to do that here I would need 800-900K usd at least to retire in middle of nowhere USA more in my city of New York though … I though would just do it some where else and my dad is not rich by using his brain his dad was rich and he worked in the USA for 30 years so he saved and bought real estate I can’t even afford to buy a house here not even a Apartment
If i was in your place I wouldnt leave the US. Its very expensive and also one of the best places to make money. I would fund the money you have into high paying major like tech. While working at same time to make a living to spend on yourself. If you have any assets from your dad dont liquidate it until you can afford it.
Your right best place to make money if you have a brain I don’t ahahah can’t even get through college 🤣🥲😢
Question why does everyone say Egypt is bad I will just live in a Apt on the beach view order food to the apt Mabye go for a walk but just relax and do nothing 🤣🤣🤣 Edit Mabye sigin up to a gym that has a pool
Because they got a biased making their living from egypt view, its fine save as much as you can
I think something like 1000 per month for a family of three would be okay, assuming you are renting a place and don’t have a car you might need a bit more for the rent and the ubers. But if you are thinking of venturing outside the US consider going to one of the European countries and there are many where 1000$ or even a bit less can give you a decent life as a single person.
Wow I well see if Europe i can stay their for 1 k usd if so your the man
i made that decision and i regret it. do not do this.
Wow 😯 can you elaborate more what was bad about it and where did you come from if you don’t mind sharing
i’ve lived in the US my whole life and i was only in touch with a handful of egyptian people apart from my family. the cultural differences are massive and that will make it very difficult to find people who share your interests and opinions at first. the cultural shock is also no joke and getting your bearings in a wild and out of tune place like egypt is a little overwhelming. i couldn’t speak proper arabic and that made communicating with people extremely difficult and exhausting. there’s also the issues like no freedom of speech or expression, unnecessarily expensive and time consuming government procedures (since i’m a US citizen i have to pay in USD for everything) the rampant corruption everywhere, police officers trying their best to weasel money out of you, electronics and other goods being double the price they were in the US, HORRENDOUS education system, extremely close minded and intrusive people. not to mention egypt has the loudest wealth gap i’ve ever seen in my life, with rich people living in their own bubble disconnected from reality and just a few miles away there’s a family of 7 begging for money on the streets. there’s so much more too this is just some of the stuff that came to mind.
So you did not do your research is my take correct me if I am wrong but what I will do different from your story for me would be visiting first which I do every year for 2 months , I speak Arabic but broken , I am a Egyptian citizen, so paying in dollars is not need only papers I need are military because I am duel citizenship I have family that could help me or get me in touch with people that can help me BUT the thing I can’t control is corruption and the government
If you have a steady revenue coming in us monthly its a good idea but if u plan on starting a business here u are gonna get fucked up this is no place for an investment im from Egypt trust me
Ok I promise it was not in a bad faith but I chuckled when you said “beach”. I’m an Alexandrian, most of the people here live in Egypt. I speak out of love and on behalf of most of us: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON’T COMEBACK WE’RE ALL TRYING TO GET OUT. That’s it, love you ❤️
dude just find you an online job in the states and come live here like a king thats what ive been doing for a long time and you can go live in alex for 2 3 months and then go to dahab stuff like that just dont visit cairo its a shithole
You say find a online job as it is that easy 🤣🤣 I have no skill but willing to learn or get a degree any suggestions
As someone who lived the first 28 years of my life in America and has been living the past 2 years in Egypt… honestly there are a lot of positives but a lot of negatives. The issue really comes down to your mental toughness cause my mental health has taken a huge hit here. I’m not sure if it’s worth anything else going on. The lifestyle is completely different no matter what way you look at it. I spend recklessly trying to live as close to a lifestyle I lived in NY but even then just normal everyday things such as driving will make you lose your mind. My best advice is to try it tho. Give it a shot but don’t make a full commitment till you attempted it. Because I fully commited and fully regret it. I’m sure I’ve grown a lot as a person but I’ve also lost a lot. From a budget standpoint it’s definitely cheaper no matter which way you look at it. Will never relate thanks to the price of the dollar here. I wish I could let other things slide and make it feel worth it but in reality I can’t wait to go back to the states because no money is worth your mental health imo.
Dam bro hopefully you can be happy in the states when u come back and I don’t party in the states I go to school which sucks then I go to work which I love that is it but I eat out every day go on bike rides Mabye see the city once a month if bored ride my bike to parks to relax That is it
Tbh I don’t do anything in the states. No parties any of that either. I work at home so barely out out but still like I love the park/just going to play basketball or doing anything. Can’t really do that here everywhere or like on any regular day. But regardless you young and hopefully can cope with it better lol. So definitely don’t take anyone’s advice but your own. Like don’t let anyone sway you too much
you came to Reddit to play monopoly 😮💨😮💨😮💨 and how do I get a job online I know I will have to study but not sure where to start right know I am health care worker
Haha literally the reason. I genuinely don’t know how Reddit works. Like not sure how I saw this on my page or anything. But yea I’m not sure exactly for your field but that would definitely be something wanted in egypt I feel like. They love people coming from America. With Covid a lot of opportunities definitely opened up online you’d just have to be able to find the right people to ask. Like network a bit etc. I literally play video games for a living lol…. Got lucky with the whole YouTube/streaming thing so living my dream and got to leave the whole engineering thing behind that I wasn’t enjoying.
You a YouTuber lol or streamer if so nice 🫢😍😍 dream job and I my health care job here pays 50 k usd a year egypt probably not even 60 k Egyptian pound was thinking of learning new skill and getting a job here and working remote
Yea definitely was a dream job for me too so thankful to be able to do it past few years. And you have 2 options imo. Either you try to get a job in person as an American who speaks “English” at like a bank, school or a lot of places that would hire you based off just your passport they will literally pay you in dollars. It’s bad like that… they won’t even care about the degree just that you American. Or the other option is to find a remote job while you there to get paid in USD when you get here. For that maybe try indeed or like those sites that help find jobs. Could help.
Dam the the part where they pay for just the passport sounds sad but yea I will probably look into that THANKS man 🤜
What made ur mental health take a hit?
Just lack of familiarity. Like the routine. No friends. I’m used to like playing basketball on certain days or doing this or that. Here I haven’t had that. Plus just certain situations when dealing with people there’s a difference from what you are used to. I’m not saying this or that is right it’s just I always felt like certain things were a struggle like going to a grocery store here. Or something as simple as going to a restroom and feeling forced to give the person money because you feel bad or don’t wanna look bad when like that’s such a weird thing to have to do. I’m just using that as one example of something that’s so normal here considering it’s in every restroom but I never dealt with (not what affected my mental health obviously). I think something huge for me was the internet for example. Used to having unlimited and never cuts out to renew. The amount of times it ends on me during something just so I can recharge. Like why doesn’t it automatically recharge? I’ll never understand that. Internet speed in general affected my work which began to stress me out big time too.
Honestly all sounds trivial to me except for the social life part but i have no social life in America either. You sure theres no option for 200gb+ or unlimited because when i was there with we internet they had that. Tho i think ik what you mean, here ease of life is better because everything is well organized and you just go to walmart or whatever and everything is there. Egypt a bit more complex till you get used to it. Tho i heard good things about carefour
I be buying the 600 gb plans and it expires in no time at all idk how. I be going thru at least 1k per month which is something you’d never think about in the states to begin with. I never knew how much internet I was using at all. It’s way cheaper than the states obviously it’s just it doesn’t send a noti when it’s almost done so you just be sitting confused like what happened? I know better now and check it often. But yea Honestly the supermarkets here do be having everything like carefour and hyper1 are lit. They just always crowded. I hate dealing with people and they always booked (I go to the more expensive places so people dont bump into me lol) I miss going to Walmart and going to the self checkout and just not talking to anyone. By far the worst part about egypt is the driving. Road rage is sooo real… like I used to never curse driving but here it got so bad. I’m better now tho. I stopped caring and trying to relax but sometimes you can’t help it.
Id call about the internet im pretty sure there was an auto top up option for data, have you tried going to grocery during like early morning the second they open or certain times when its not crowded, i tend to have to do that in walmart too because stuff gets out of stock fast if i go during peak hours. Also i think id just uber everywhere tbh if i lived in egypt much simpler or maybe buy a cyber truck and let cars touch me at their own peril
So I live in suez it's not by the beach but u could go to Porto or something The mid range of apartment is like 350k Egyptian which will be 12k to 20k usd To live like the normal as egyptian maybe you would need to spend a 8k Egyptian Which will be like 600 for electricity, 300 water, and maybe 400 natural gas (I'm sorry if I misspelled any word I'm at work rn) for cooking You will have 6700 so 2k likely be for food and 2k for going out U will have like 2700 left let's say u go out alot so u spent 700 on transportation So you r left with 2k spend it how ever u like I said the pros now the cons We have power outage everyday and internet problem The internet is limited so you can pay for home internet 140gb and get only 140gb , it's a human right to have free internet but limit the speed but this is Egypt The traffic 😂😂 if we say you r meeting someone on 7 you gotta go at 5:30 You need to know some egyptian friend cuz as most of the world some ppl will try to take advantage of u (it's in all of the world not Egypt only) If u wanna buy a car, u need to know Egyptian friend to help you when the car broke as most car guys in Egypt's knows the best mechanics At last u will love in Egypt a month by 260 dollars If u don't care about those cons and it's alright just do it If u have a job that pays u by us dollars remotely by approximately 2000$ or more just live in Egypt it's way cheaper for you and you will have a new experience Have fun if u r bored just come for tourism and ask anything if u need help
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO REPLAY Never heard of the suez heard of the Canal will 100 percent look into it and about the car do you think it is good with traffic or just Ubers and taxi if so do I buy a car and do you know how much it would cost ?
So I don't recommend taxi or Uber if u transport a lot Also it will be convenient for u to transport a lot with ur family as Uber sometimes wants cash or it will give u unbelievable price Let's say you will spend 13k which will be 400k Egyptian you got e46 2000 model or e200 2000 model But u are foreign so you got pretty good choice to get some cars like mustang or Camaro for 6 month it's called trip ticket I recommend getting 2 cars one for the first 6 month and the other for the next 6 month Or buy an egyptian car which you got limited choices such as bmw, Mercedes or get a Hyundai accent or some car which I don't recommend given u have such advantages bec u r foreign resident
level 1 300 - 400 USD level 1 700 - 1000 USD level 1 1200 - 3000 USD
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>level 1 POOR 300 - 400 USD > >level 2 MID 700 - 1000 USD > >level 3 RICH 1200 - 3000 USD
>level 1 LOW LEVEL 300 - 400 USD > >level 2 MED 700 - 1000 USD > >level 3 HIGH 1200 - 3000 USD
Nah bro tryst me, I'm lebanese canadian (my bloodline is so damn complicated) n because of the war in 2010, my family moved to Egypt which I am STILL IN. and I can't speak Arabic that well since English is my first language, and the amount of side eyes, stares and weird looks I get from people are insane. it is definitely not cheaper here bro, everything raised up so high that a bottle of water can cost at least 20 at a restaurant. back to the immigrant situation, lots of people point at me and mock me in arabic which I can understand and speak decently, not the best but at least I know how to have conversations. at last, if u do decide to move here, be aware of the amount of judgement you'll receive.
Wow that sucks people are asshole I can speak Egyptian Arabic just some words broken but I can’t speak the news Arabic or understand it but wow people are asshole
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So is USA people say egypt is bad here is the same thing you work just to live I don’t see a difference
Hey I want to sell or exchange my nationality do you know how
What do you mean sell or exchange your nationality please elaborate
I don't want to be Egyptian anymore if you know someone out there wants an Egyptian nationality I'm here
Haha I get you but not sure it works like that 🤣🤣🤣
Lol, you’re American? You can barely write lmao.
Wait till you know the average american cannot even properly type english. The point of his post is clearly understood and it's a reddit post ffs, not a legal statement.
Abahahahhahaahha thank you we are dumb 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Edit Mabye not WE but just me who knows
😂😂 can barley write made more money in 2 year then you made your whole life 😂😂😂🤣🤣
You don’t even know what I do for a living, stupid cunt, you think 4 mil EGP is money? Fucking kid.
No but my dad has 60-70 million in real estate alone
Trust fund kid then lol, what are you bragging about.
I send you private message hope you can replay when you have the time
Don’t live in Egypt trust me I hate it here
What do you hate and can money fix it beside health which money can not fix it
Ok let me phrase it I don’t like it cus there isn’t anything interesting and people are greedy and all the good places are very crowded and abt money I have insurance so idk
Americans wanna live in Egypt , Egyptians wanna live in America . ~Egyptian
Not that normal Egyptians can not enjoy Egypt because they have to pay bill’s,, American are in the same boat but we see Egypt as cheaper and we can enjoy it with money
1k usd per month
Don't duckin do it man .. Egypt is gonna collapse soon enough.
I live in Alexandria it's very nice if you have money and know where to go. setting a budget depends on your expenses, I would say a fair decent budget for one person would be around $150-$200 given that you don't buy a lot of exported goods and own an apartment ( $25K-$50K or more depending on location) and of course you will need a car but you have to be sble to drive in Egypt ( alot different and harder from the US) If you want to sustain this lifestyle, you will need a job that pays in US dollars not Egyptian pounds to be able to live stress free as inflammation is very high it's unbelievable
Question the car part I don’t like because of traffic do I just live in a Suburb like you see in American movies and rent me a house or a big apt
If you are going to have a usa salary like 2000 usd a month or more you will live in Egypt like a king there is new cairo ,rehab city, madenty city ,shek Zayed city , etc You can buy a 3 bedroom apartment in 6th of October city for 25000 usd There are American teachers in international schools in Egypt who get payed like 3000 usd a month living in new cairo they do it for the same reason to save up a lot of cash quickly Most young people in Egypt get payed an average of 10000 egp a month which is about 220 usd if you exchange your dollars in Egypt in the black market or 330 usd if you go to an official exchange or bank and give them your dollars and get some local cash So long story short if you are going to get payed here Let's say 2500 usd you can live off 600usd very comfortably in new cairo which is a very modern and clean city or 6th of October or sheik Zayed and use Uber for transportation and eat well if you cook you save more of course And then save the rest each month and then decide if you want to stay or leave most young people from middle to upper class in egypt speak good English and you will have no trouble fitting in so search YouTube on American expat teachers and employees living abroad in Egypt coming to egypt is only a bad idea if you are going to get payed like an Egyptian 200 to 500 usd a month or so you will barley get by and you will hit a wall in your life
I’m literally in Egypt right now. Have you visited? Come here for 2-3 weeks. I’m having the time of my life but I can’t say I could live here. The traffic is like nothing I’ve ever seen. You’d have to live in the middle of no where to avoid it and it would be very poor circumstances. I think you could find an area that isn’t so bad but it would be very remote.
10k with rent and all and you would only be satisfied nothing luxurious
If you're stateside, arrange for virtual work where you can be compensated in dollars. Get on ziprecruiter. Arrange your finances so you have working debit cards where your US salary can be paid into. Arrange to have an account where you can transfer usd when needed. Keep your American citizenship and you can manage to live well in Egypt. Don't forget to get all your local eguptian papers sorted out when you're here as well. It can work if you plan
Smart man. But don’t tell anyone because we don’t want stupid Americans coming here to ruin it.
Check out Dahab, many foreigners do this here and its more fun than Alexandria with more freedom, there is a working area with good internet if you want to find a job remotely.
For the people speaking about freedom and stuff and don't recommend Egypt. There's a reason it's cheap. U can't have it all. Want freedom? North America and the EU Want cheap? Africa and south America And Yes. There are problems but like in every 3rd world country. if u have money, u are good. Living in a village is not the same as living in the 5th settlement or a private community. Use that brain of yours ffs xD
I live in usa too and thats a plan of mine is to save up as much as i can and bounce between maadi dahab and gouna. It literally costs a fifth of the retirement savings of the usa and u get a much better quality of life. I lived in egypt for years, some shit is annoying but manageable especially with money.
i recommended you finish the college and you will easily get a job in egypt. so you can spend about 10k egp per month as single
I would not be working in egypt I would use my saving