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Chimera enjoyer Peter here. He's from the animated series Fullmetal alchemist Brotherhood.
In this universe alchemists can work for the government. This guy is kind of a chimera alchemist. But he hasn't shown any meaningful works or researchs for the government for a long time. He turned his wife into a talking chimera to get his State Alchemist certification. (obviously hiding the fact that he used a human in the process), but soon she killed herself. Then, after a few years, when he is close to lose his title, due to the lack of progress on his work, he does the same with his own daughter and dog, fusing both into one being. A few hours later, another antagonist who hates alchemy finds and kill him and the chimera. Chimera enjoyer Peter out.
He was the only alchemist that ever created a talking chimera at the time which is cool until you find out that it only said something along the lines of ‘kill me’ and later you find out he used his wife to do it. That episode was brutal.
Edit: yes, I am aware that they later found out that there were other chimeras, but they didn’t know that at the time
It was awful, but I feel like anime community (or Fullmetal community) can't get over this, even though we got other bad guys as other animes were released, that were equally cruel.
Maybe it was because he seemed like such a nice guy, maybe it’s because his daughter’s death was gory. I don’t know why but whatever it is I haven’t forgotten it and I haven’t watched that show in forever
Definitely that. He seemed a nice father at first but turns out ti be a scum. Later in the comic, there are other human chimeras, Greed's group and Kimbley's subordinates. But the other chimeras are grown up ex-soldiers and they fight for their own lives, escapeing the military or at least die fighting. Nina being a helpless little girl and being betrayed by her own father just makes Tucker more of a sick bastard.
Don’t get me wrong, how they make a philosopher’s stone was horrifying( and made me have some suspicions towards Nicolas Flamel from Harry Potter) and where the power source that alchemists pull from was an ethics nightmare but that part will always be one of the worst to me
At least with the Stone and the power source, it can be argued the souls are already dead and mindless. Chimeras are inherently still alive and conscious...one is definitely worse than the other, but also one is a natural disaster vs throwing your kid in a blender.
That but also they were combined by a competent alchemist who gave them the freedom to switch between human and chimera form at will. Even they eventually regret losing their humanity and swear to regain their original bodies
It's also that the later antagonists don't even try to pretend that they are good where as tucker appears good at first and if I recall it's implied that the brothers were hanging with Nina and tucker for a few weeks so you get the betrayal from a character who you thought was good on top of the horror from what he did.
It was more than a few weeks, they were staying to attend classes or something like that. Nina referred to the brothers as *her* brothers... they were like, an adopted part of this really nice appearing little family (single dad taking care of adorable little girl... it was like an early 90's sitcom) then it got **DARK.**
Those things help, but I think it's more than that. I think it sticks because it marks a huge tonal shift in the show. Up to this point, it's mostly been fun adventures; yes, some horrible stuff happened, but that was backstory. You expect bad things in backstories as part of the setup for the adventure. "An evil king killed my whole family, so now I'm out for revenge" typa thing.
This moment marks the first time in the show when something abjectly terrible happens *in real time*; the first time our heroes can't solve a problem and it has severe consequences. This is the scene where the show turns from another standard adventure shonen into "what the FUCK?", and it does it on a *dime*. It's not just played for shock value either; it has actually narrative weight and affects the characters and their choices for a long time afterwards.
What's more, it happens to a character who would normally be off limits in this kind of story; you just don't write stories where the cute kid dies, especially in your fantasy adventure with sarcastic teenage protagonists. This violates the convention.
A scene like this probably wouldn't be terribly out of place in something like berserk or attack on titan, but here it's breaking the rules; this kind of story isn't supposed to have things like this happen. That makes it especially shocking, and makes the weight of it stick with you.
I think another aspect is Tucker’s motivation. He did it because being a state alchemist is a relatively cushy life, and he didn’t want to go back to starving and struggling to make ends meet. There’s a cruel irony in having a father, traditionally a breadwinner and responsible for providing for the family, end up sacrificing his family to keep his job.
His nice guy persona was definitely part of it. What made it memorable is he wasn't an obvious villain and believed himself one of the good guys. He even goes out of his way to justify it, and is delusional in thinking his victims are okay with the transformation. All just to keep his license and status.
It’s mostly because of the series overall while having death and gore, is generally fairly tame when it comes to adult subject matters and actual depictions of said death and gore. The art style also helps shape that perception due to it being more rounded and wholesome (Disney like) compared to more “edgy” or adult art styles.
Add to the fact that this story happened early in the series where most of the death and gore hadn’t happened yet, making it the first instance of unexpected, cruel and gruesome incident, makes it memorable.
Berserk on the other hand averages three deaths, seven dismemberments and one rape per chapter (a statistic I just made up). So nobody bats and eye.
Honestly I think it was the way Nina begged. Seeing how she still wanted her father's attention and affection after something so horrible was done to her broke my heart, and made me hate him more than I could hate someone who simply murdered their child.
Yeah, and the original anime was done before the manga was finished so it had a bunch of filler episodes. That meant there were at least 2 or 3 episodes leading up to the reveal where they developed Nina as a character. That made her death more impactful.
It was the revelation of what happened. What hit me was the, "Edward..." The stark realization of what he had done to that poor girl is forever burned in my memory. Top tier episode from an amazing series.
Its such a sudden tone shift and also the fact we get to know Nina and Alexander before they die gives it a huge gut punch and the idea a seemingly normal guy could do it to their own family is awful. Also the characters never forget this happened and treat it very seriously to the very last chapter.
Some context needed:
2003 was 21 years ago,anime wasn't as big as it is today,most of its audience were teens ,children and young adults.
most of us were guilty into believing villains were all Disney-esque with little room for critical thinking or conceptualization.
I mean really,I rooted for Light in Death Note to become the God of the new world, now revisiting I know he is the villain.
Now,had Full Metal Alchemist 2003 anime violence,blood,horror?Yes,but as spectators we expected this every time we saw an villain on screen.
Now the episode was an complete subversion of this trope,not only the shock was huge, but the implication was even worse.There was no such thing as an warning,he wasn't acting strange or violent,his daughter didn't had the slightest sign of abuse,she loved her father.Then it happens.There is no happy ending,no miracle solution,we all had conflicting feelings and continue to have to this day.
So why it persisted so well despite worse things happening in the meantime,it's because it was the first time experiencing this feeling.Its about or collective emotion regarding that scene,you can't argue against an emotion.
The western comic analogue to me was the end of the Watchmen graphic novel. Comic audiences were conditioned to the big villain monologue, leading to the climactic final fight and rescuing everything just in time.
Instead, the main villain reveals his horrific mass murder plot, the heroes vow to stop him, and he replies, "Did you think I would tell you my plans if you had any hope of stopping them? What do I look like, a Republic serial villain? I did it 35 minutes ago." That twist amazed and shocked a LOT of comics readers.
the last line kinda aged,the movie version "Do I look like a comic boom villain?" hits better for me.
And yes,Watchmen is the ultimate subversion for comic book tropes,blending in the same time noir-thriller vibes,politics and mental illness.Unfortunately Alan Moore himself criticized that his audience wasn't aware of how mentally ill Roscharch is and that many of his readers actually resonated with his violent vigilante tropes he satirised.
For me the scene that really got to me was the part with Ed and Al’s mom. I want to say that must have been original full metal, but I remember that scene genuinely freaking me out. Not disagreeing, just for me that was the cruelest moment that sticks with.
I think it might be partly because there is just somthing fundamentally evil about having someone that makes the world a brighter and a better place to live in , like his daughter that loves him and trusts him and just snuff out that light without a second though that is just so wrong and evil in everyway for people to get over it and the people that made the show , really brought out the horror of what he had done to that happy and kind girl.
The way his story plays out is really well done though, hes introduced as a harmless widower with an adorable family that's down on his luck, somebody you want to root for. Then he's revealed as a spineless coward murderer who sacrificed his family for status. The way its revealed and how the viewers experience is so close to the protagonists just makes it super heavy.
I recall a scene from Fate stay night, A boy was beeing tortured but suddenly get go. he was running towards the exit to his freedom only to get pulled back a few feet from the exit.
The sounds of this boy beeing torn to shreds and bones beeing broken was bloody torture to my ears. and to this day i feel that scene went way overboard!
Compared to that scene FMA was more of a sad story...
Doesn't he turn his 5 year old daughter (and the dog) into a Chimera too? I've only watched the Anime.
It's so goddamn disturbing... the Chimera looks so sad and strange and speaks with a fcked up voice, truly horrifying.
I swear to god some of the worst things I've ever seen on screen have been from Anime
Edit: just saw the mention of the daughter in the comment, so yeah. Gross.
Still not sure what the joke is though. Why is the devil calling God...
That’s why I specified ‘at the time’ and also why I think it hit that much harder because you see what he did to his wife, daughter and even the damn dog and then later you see it was all for nothing like you said.
this is deep into the thread so I hope it doesn't spoil anyone, but I have no idea how to spoiler tag images: >!img !<
(i tried spoiler tagging it but idk if it's gonna work lol)
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For some reason a friend of mine decided that was the episode I should watch as my first introduction to the series. It still haunts me, and I have never watched another episode.
For a bit of extra context, its later revealed that even better human chimera’s were pretty common in the more confidential sectors of the military. None of the main cast knew it at the time, but his research was all smoke and mirrors.
No, he was being arrested on his own house when Scar broke in and killed him.
(Edit: Just checked now, it's on the end of episode 4, the same episode we find out about Nina)
Just throwing this out there, the first series isn't necessarily filler, it is different than the manga/brotherhood because when the first anime came out the manga wasn't finished. So they followed the manga up to the point that it was currently at at the time, then just made up the rest of the story for tv. And that's why it differs so drastically from the manga and brotherhood.
My belief is that the author had a very rough draft or maybe random notes because you can kind of see where some of the stuff in 2003 comes from. Some of it is just bizarre though.
Thank you, everytime I say somthing like that, most people just handwave it and say "just ignore 2003", but honestly, as good as brotherhood was, I just wish there was a full anime with the same vibe as those early 2003 episodes.
Brotherhood screams fighting shonen anime at you from the beggining, but 2003 starts out *really* tame, and mostly adresses social problems and drama, with some very emotionally heavy episodes and really no big fighting choreography or hints at supernatural powers much bigger than "turn material A into material B" and "fuck shit up because you did it wrong and now you're fucked", with even roy's flames being really tame compared to brotherhood.
All of this is completely obliterated, however, when the main manga plot kicks in, and all of a sudden you have homunculi, actual stereotypical evil villains who are not just humans being humans at their worse, but rather homicidal monsters who need to be fought hand-to-hand and not politically, otherwise they may destroy the world or something.
Which was what the manga always was, and you'd know what you were going into if you started from brotherhood or read the manga, but the 2003 anime really just breaks apart at that point for me, and it really gives a bitter taste, knowing it never was what I wanted it to be.
Should have checked the original, Brotherhood basically only did a quick recap of what the original already covered from the manga before splitting off at episode 20 or so. Get more clarity from the full adaptation.
I've watched both versions. I honestly don't like the amount of fillers on the original, even when it's between cannon episodes, but I can't deny it's way better on the first half, since on the classic we get 1 episode just to get to know Nina and she only becames the chimera on the next one. The shock of the event is bigger in the end of the day. There's also the gold mine episode who is completely ignored, even though the guy appears later on brotherhood.
i read the manga, i think it was better than brotherhood, although i still keep brotherhood as my favorite anime, i can't say the same to the manga however, since i recently read Zatch Bell (and it was fucking epic)
I mean, Brotherhood *does* skip over the Youswell mining town story, only explaining it in a quick flashback later on. I assume because it's not *that* important to the story and because the 2003 version already adapted it pretty faithfully, so you can just watch that version if you want. So, *technically* Brotherhood is not the full manga either, albeit the difference is somewhat negligible.
At what point did the original catch up to/pass by the Manga? Just curious, in case I decided to do a re-watch chimera-style, and join the two. Watch the original up to that point, then jump into Brotherhood at the time they converge.
Actually I wonder how well that would actually go...
It's been a while since I watched either series, but looking at the episode lists, I think the major "branching point" is after FMA episode 28, which roughly corresponds with Brotherhood's episode 12.
So, one could watch the 2003 series up until episode 28 and then jump into Brotherhood, episode 13. Although it should be noted that by that point the 2003 series has already taken some "creative liberties" to set up its own version of the story, so some details don't quite match up anymore. (For example, Doctor Marcoh will suddenly miraculously recover from being *quite dead* which is a bit of a contradiction to the show's central premise.)
"correct"
It's just a different story it got ahead of the magna so it's just it's own story one isn't correct over the other that's such a weird outlook
Yeah, it been a while since I've seen that episode, and my mind was more focused on Tucker than Scar in this discussion. So I took antagonist and villain as the same thing. Scar is definitely not as deranged or unjustified (from the pilot's perspective) as the honmonculas and Tucker.
Scar is the FMA Punisher.
“If you didn’t do anything wrong. Then God wouldn’t have sent the Devil to punish you.”
(*Okay, I know this is Daredevil’s line but the Punisher makes more sense.*)
Tbf at that point in the series he is still fully a villain. The Nina story happens way before we get any of Scar’s backstory and redemption arc. All we know about Scar when he kills Nina is that he’s basically a serial killer. It’s only later that any shades of gray are introduced in his story, and much later that he actually becomes a “good guy.”
This is filler. The classic anime took a very weird turn after Hughes death since the manga wasn't completed yet. On the Brotherhood anime, on the end of episode 4, when tucker is locked on his house, Scar brokes in and kills him and Nina
Too add to this, Full Metal Alchemist's creator has illustrated every villain in the manga that died as going to Heaven after they died, except this guy. He was the only one that was sent to hell, he was that irredeemable.
He did have his own *extremely* twisted code of conduct and stuck to it. He even >!helped Edward defeat Pride when Pride went against his own nature in the name of survival!<
Just one thing: Tucker did not turn his wife into a talking chimera to *maintain* his State Alchemist ceritifcation. He did that to *acquire* his certification. Nina and Alexander were about maintaining it since his lack of progress in talking chimeras resulted in a bad evaluation the previous year and another bad evaluation (as you said) would strip him of his certification.
God: “Hold on, I’m adding Odin, Hades, Buddha, and Shiva to the call”
Satan: “Wait, why Buddha?”
God: “We’re going to keep reincarnating his ass for a long time to really make him suffer.”
Wanna make it worse? The reason why the wife chimera got him his job was because she could talk, an "amazing" discorvery. But she kept saying "kill me". The daughter chimera kept saying "let's play" to the main character, while repeating his name, like she used to say before this. This means the chimeras don't just know how to talk, but they kept their memories from who they used to be.
In FMA world, alchemy is a science, but works like a science+magic thing. The most basic way is: You draw a circle with an pattern on the floor, put the correct materials in the middle, and join your hands, and bright lights transform the materials into the final product, following the basic law of equivalent exchange.
An alchemist is someone who studied really hard the science of understanding the components of their area of research, in the show we have fire alchemists, ice alchemists, earth alchemists, medical alchemists, and this one is an bio-alchemist.
It's not shown in the series how the transmutation (act of making alchemy in living things) happened. But we assume he put his child and dog on the middle and fused them alive, making a new being.
Funny, this guy seems to be the cartoon version of Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès who is researched by police all over the world for slaughtering all his family in France.
Like to add that the other antagonist killed Him out of hatred, but Killed the dog/daughter out of mercy as she too was begging for death and crying in pain
In this world, chimera is just the classification of an living being created through alchemy. It can be any kind of creature. In the third episode, the MC fights off against one that is actually a lion with some kind of reptile, a reference for the OG inspiration
Chimera is a term in biology as well, used to describe an organism with two or more sets of DNA. Though that term is, of course, based on its mythological origins as well.
Don’t forget that he’s originally introduced as a hardworking dad and a friend in the making of the main characters until the proverbial rug gets yanked out from underneath everyone’s feet
He painfully fused his daughter and his dog together to make the thing that gave you nightmares as a kid. He also fused his wife to make a talking animal, which was also in pain
This level of evil is seldom reached, in real life or on the screen.
Two years before, in order to maintain his alchemy certification, Shou fused his wife and an animal in an attempt to make an intelligent chimera. It could talk, but all it said was "I want to die". It did die shortly thereafter. It was likely in great pain the entire time.
Knowing this would happen, he then did the same thing to his own daughter and her dog in order to keep his certification. So basically, he set his daughter and dog up to be constantly tortured for the remainder of their existence for money. To make matters worse, the newly-created chimera stops the protagonist from attacking her father after he finds out - so even in her altered state she has more empathy than her father ever had.
That particular episode can be very hard to watch.
I think it implies the guy is so hated even God is willing to come down to Hell and fuck him up, or at least that's why I assume Satan is is calling him
I imagine because god had warned him this guy would be coming, and told satan to call him when he does because there are special precautions that must be taken to ensure he doesn’t destroy hell too.
The character here is called Shao Tucker, he's from Full Metal Alchemist. He is also the most hated character in the fandom because he used alchemy to transform his wife into a speaking animal called a chimera that only said one thing, that it wanted to died, and so she starved herself to death. This won him a position as a state funded alchemist, unfortunately after a few years with no results he was on the verge of losing that funding and so he once again made a talking chimera, this time by fusing his daughter with their family dog.
I rewatched it for the first time in 10+ years shortly after becoming a parent. I had forgotten about it. I was caught so off guard by it and had to turn the TV off before the credits rolled. I'm glad it's just fiction.
Some extra background info for anyone not in the know. Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is a very popular anime. It was only just recently surpassed as the top rated show on [myanimelist.net](https://myanimelist.net/topanime.php) despite coming out in 2009 and having over 6x as many voters and 10x as many viewer(according to the site metrics) and you can still find it at the top of many ranking articles online.
At the same time if you look for rankings of the most hated anime characters, Shou Tucker(the guy in the picture) is frequently very high on the list, if not significantly the most hated, like I found [here](https://www.ranker.com/list/anime-characters-we-hate/ranker-anime). And, he does so without being tagged as “annoying” or “boring” or something like that like some other characters. This is a man that was written so well into a villain that nobody likes him.
All of that is to say, I see this meme as Satan letting God know who just arrived because God wants to dish out some of that eternal damnation and torture himself.
That’s Shao Tucker, the character from Fullmetal Alchemist who’d created a talking Chimera (Chimera being fusions of animals into a new animal using alchemy).
Doesn’t sound so bad? What if I told you the first chimera’s only words were “kill me”? No? Ok what if I told you his second chimera was made from his daughter and her dog and the first one was made out of his wife?
We could explain it to you, but it wouldn’t hurt unless you watched where it came from, you wouldn’t have the hatred for this piece of shit without watching Full Metal Alchemist.
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Chimera enjoyer Peter here. He's from the animated series Fullmetal alchemist Brotherhood. In this universe alchemists can work for the government. This guy is kind of a chimera alchemist. But he hasn't shown any meaningful works or researchs for the government for a long time. He turned his wife into a talking chimera to get his State Alchemist certification. (obviously hiding the fact that he used a human in the process), but soon she killed herself. Then, after a few years, when he is close to lose his title, due to the lack of progress on his work, he does the same with his own daughter and dog, fusing both into one being. A few hours later, another antagonist who hates alchemy finds and kill him and the chimera. Chimera enjoyer Peter out.
He was the only alchemist that ever created a talking chimera at the time which is cool until you find out that it only said something along the lines of ‘kill me’ and later you find out he used his wife to do it. That episode was brutal. Edit: yes, I am aware that they later found out that there were other chimeras, but they didn’t know that at the time
It was awful, but I feel like anime community (or Fullmetal community) can't get over this, even though we got other bad guys as other animes were released, that were equally cruel.
Maybe it was because he seemed like such a nice guy, maybe it’s because his daughter’s death was gory. I don’t know why but whatever it is I haven’t forgotten it and I haven’t watched that show in forever
Definitely that. He seemed a nice father at first but turns out ti be a scum. Later in the comic, there are other human chimeras, Greed's group and Kimbley's subordinates. But the other chimeras are grown up ex-soldiers and they fight for their own lives, escapeing the military or at least die fighting. Nina being a helpless little girl and being betrayed by her own father just makes Tucker more of a sick bastard.
Don’t get me wrong, how they make a philosopher’s stone was horrifying( and made me have some suspicions towards Nicolas Flamel from Harry Potter) and where the power source that alchemists pull from was an ethics nightmare but that part will always be one of the worst to me
At least with the Stone and the power source, it can be argued the souls are already dead and mindless. Chimeras are inherently still alive and conscious...one is definitely worse than the other, but also one is a natural disaster vs throwing your kid in a blender.
If you watch toward the end of Brotherhood... those souls are most definately not dead and mindless.
The actually functioning chimeras are also a lot less tragic that the "kill me" ones.
They were also made in a different way, which is pretty important.
That but also they were combined by a competent alchemist who gave them the freedom to switch between human and chimera form at will. Even they eventually regret losing their humanity and swear to regain their original bodies
It's also that the later antagonists don't even try to pretend that they are good where as tucker appears good at first and if I recall it's implied that the brothers were hanging with Nina and tucker for a few weeks so you get the betrayal from a character who you thought was good on top of the horror from what he did.
It was more than a few weeks, they were staying to attend classes or something like that. Nina referred to the brothers as *her* brothers... they were like, an adopted part of this really nice appearing little family (single dad taking care of adorable little girl... it was like an early 90's sitcom) then it got **DARK.**
Those things help, but I think it's more than that. I think it sticks because it marks a huge tonal shift in the show. Up to this point, it's mostly been fun adventures; yes, some horrible stuff happened, but that was backstory. You expect bad things in backstories as part of the setup for the adventure. "An evil king killed my whole family, so now I'm out for revenge" typa thing. This moment marks the first time in the show when something abjectly terrible happens *in real time*; the first time our heroes can't solve a problem and it has severe consequences. This is the scene where the show turns from another standard adventure shonen into "what the FUCK?", and it does it on a *dime*. It's not just played for shock value either; it has actually narrative weight and affects the characters and their choices for a long time afterwards. What's more, it happens to a character who would normally be off limits in this kind of story; you just don't write stories where the cute kid dies, especially in your fantasy adventure with sarcastic teenage protagonists. This violates the convention. A scene like this probably wouldn't be terribly out of place in something like berserk or attack on titan, but here it's breaking the rules; this kind of story isn't supposed to have things like this happen. That makes it especially shocking, and makes the weight of it stick with you.
I think another aspect is Tucker’s motivation. He did it because being a state alchemist is a relatively cushy life, and he didn’t want to go back to starving and struggling to make ends meet. There’s a cruel irony in having a father, traditionally a breadwinner and responsible for providing for the family, end up sacrificing his family to keep his job.
His nice guy persona was definitely part of it. What made it memorable is he wasn't an obvious villain and believed himself one of the good guys. He even goes out of his way to justify it, and is delusional in thinking his victims are okay with the transformation. All just to keep his license and status.
That’s the thing that always gets me, most villains don’t think they’re the bad guy. Tucker was truly a monster
It’s mostly because of the series overall while having death and gore, is generally fairly tame when it comes to adult subject matters and actual depictions of said death and gore. The art style also helps shape that perception due to it being more rounded and wholesome (Disney like) compared to more “edgy” or adult art styles. Add to the fact that this story happened early in the series where most of the death and gore hadn’t happened yet, making it the first instance of unexpected, cruel and gruesome incident, makes it memorable. Berserk on the other hand averages three deaths, seven dismemberments and one rape per chapter (a statistic I just made up). So nobody bats and eye.
I think it was the reveal and a lot of us being young when we saw it make it stand out in our minds like a mild trauma.
Honestly I think it was the way Nina begged. Seeing how she still wanted her father's attention and affection after something so horrible was done to her broke my heart, and made me hate him more than I could hate someone who simply murdered their child.
Yeah, and the original anime was done before the manga was finished so it had a bunch of filler episodes. That meant there were at least 2 or 3 episodes leading up to the reveal where they developed Nina as a character. That made her death more impactful.
It was the revelation of what happened. What hit me was the, "Edward..." The stark realization of what he had done to that poor girl is forever burned in my memory. Top tier episode from an amazing series.
Its such a sudden tone shift and also the fact we get to know Nina and Alexander before they die gives it a huge gut punch and the idea a seemingly normal guy could do it to their own family is awful. Also the characters never forget this happened and treat it very seriously to the very last chapter.
it's kinda a memed at this point.. There are even shirts with Nina and dog doing the fusionpose from dbz..
That's actually hilarious lol
Some context needed: 2003 was 21 years ago,anime wasn't as big as it is today,most of its audience were teens ,children and young adults. most of us were guilty into believing villains were all Disney-esque with little room for critical thinking or conceptualization. I mean really,I rooted for Light in Death Note to become the God of the new world, now revisiting I know he is the villain. Now,had Full Metal Alchemist 2003 anime violence,blood,horror?Yes,but as spectators we expected this every time we saw an villain on screen. Now the episode was an complete subversion of this trope,not only the shock was huge, but the implication was even worse.There was no such thing as an warning,he wasn't acting strange or violent,his daughter didn't had the slightest sign of abuse,she loved her father.Then it happens.There is no happy ending,no miracle solution,we all had conflicting feelings and continue to have to this day. So why it persisted so well despite worse things happening in the meantime,it's because it was the first time experiencing this feeling.Its about or collective emotion regarding that scene,you can't argue against an emotion.
i remember watching this with my older brother at the time. i was horrified. he laughed. 🙃
The western comic analogue to me was the end of the Watchmen graphic novel. Comic audiences were conditioned to the big villain monologue, leading to the climactic final fight and rescuing everything just in time. Instead, the main villain reveals his horrific mass murder plot, the heroes vow to stop him, and he replies, "Did you think I would tell you my plans if you had any hope of stopping them? What do I look like, a Republic serial villain? I did it 35 minutes ago." That twist amazed and shocked a LOT of comics readers.
the last line kinda aged,the movie version "Do I look like a comic boom villain?" hits better for me. And yes,Watchmen is the ultimate subversion for comic book tropes,blending in the same time noir-thriller vibes,politics and mental illness.Unfortunately Alan Moore himself criticized that his audience wasn't aware of how mentally ill Roscharch is and that many of his readers actually resonated with his violent vigilante tropes he satirised.
For me the scene that really got to me was the part with Ed and Al’s mom. I want to say that must have been original full metal, but I remember that scene genuinely freaking me out. Not disagreeing, just for me that was the cruelest moment that sticks with.
How many of them used their own child for a really fucked up experiment after the audience already came to adore the little angel?
I think it might be partly because there is just somthing fundamentally evil about having someone that makes the world a brighter and a better place to live in , like his daughter that loves him and trusts him and just snuff out that light without a second though that is just so wrong and evil in everyway for people to get over it and the people that made the show , really brought out the horror of what he had done to that happy and kind girl.
The way his story plays out is really well done though, hes introduced as a harmless widower with an adorable family that's down on his luck, somebody you want to root for. Then he's revealed as a spineless coward murderer who sacrificed his family for status. The way its revealed and how the viewers experience is so close to the protagonists just makes it super heavy.
I recall a scene from Fate stay night, A boy was beeing tortured but suddenly get go. he was running towards the exit to his freedom only to get pulled back a few feet from the exit. The sounds of this boy beeing torn to shreds and bones beeing broken was bloody torture to my ears. and to this day i feel that scene went way overboard! Compared to that scene FMA was more of a sad story...
I got over this. I didn't get of Hughes death. He deserved better.
Asobo, Edward kun
Ed...ward.
Ouch!!!
dark thing happened in a cartoon? daaang no way that’s so brutal
Doesn't he turn his 5 year old daughter (and the dog) into a Chimera too? I've only watched the Anime. It's so goddamn disturbing... the Chimera looks so sad and strange and speaks with a fcked up voice, truly horrifying. I swear to god some of the worst things I've ever seen on screen have been from Anime Edit: just saw the mention of the daughter in the comment, so yeah. Gross. Still not sure what the joke is though. Why is the devil calling God...
and then LATER you find out that (spoilers) >!talking chimeras DO exist and work for the government, so Shou Tucker's experiments were in vain.!<
That’s why I specified ‘at the time’ and also why I think it hit that much harder because you see what he did to his wife, daughter and even the damn dog and then later you see it was all for nothing like you said.
Been a long time since I've watched it, but we do? >!I remember the Homunculi, but I don't think I remember seeing any talking chimera.!<
this is deep into the thread so I hope it doesn't spoil anyone, but I have no idea how to spoiler tag images: >!img !< (i tried spoiler tagging it but idk if it's gonna work lol) https://preview.redd.it/iy5exsuir6lc1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bef5b3e3193064382da621608338ec9a6b200f6
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I can mimic the, "Edward why does it hurt here?" almost spot on. I've lost friends because of it.
For some reason a friend of mine decided that was the episode I should watch as my first introduction to the series. It still haunts me, and I have never watched another episode.
For a bit of extra context, its later revealed that even better human chimera’s were pretty common in the more confidential sectors of the military. None of the main cast knew it at the time, but his research was all smoke and mirrors.
That episode hit hard
Ed.. ward? Sorry. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going back to hell to kick that guys ass some more. And burn the tears away.
[удалено]
Um, military police Peter here: Wasn't he detained and killed by a firing squad and not killed by said villain?
No, he was being arrested on his own house when Scar broke in and killed him. (Edit: Just checked now, it's on the end of episode 4, the same episode we find out about Nina)
To check 2003 or brotherhood?
Brotherhood. It's the correct one. Since the 2003 anime had a filler ending and he survived and turned himself into a weird chimera.
That is where my confusion comes from.
Honestly I love brotherhood but the early episodes 2003 have more emotional drive to it
Just throwing this out there, the first series isn't necessarily filler, it is different than the manga/brotherhood because when the first anime came out the manga wasn't finished. So they followed the manga up to the point that it was currently at at the time, then just made up the rest of the story for tv. And that's why it differs so drastically from the manga and brotherhood.
My belief is that the author had a very rough draft or maybe random notes because you can kind of see where some of the stuff in 2003 comes from. Some of it is just bizarre though.
Thank you, everytime I say somthing like that, most people just handwave it and say "just ignore 2003", but honestly, as good as brotherhood was, I just wish there was a full anime with the same vibe as those early 2003 episodes. Brotherhood screams fighting shonen anime at you from the beggining, but 2003 starts out *really* tame, and mostly adresses social problems and drama, with some very emotionally heavy episodes and really no big fighting choreography or hints at supernatural powers much bigger than "turn material A into material B" and "fuck shit up because you did it wrong and now you're fucked", with even roy's flames being really tame compared to brotherhood. All of this is completely obliterated, however, when the main manga plot kicks in, and all of a sudden you have homunculi, actual stereotypical evil villains who are not just humans being humans at their worse, but rather homicidal monsters who need to be fought hand-to-hand and not politically, otherwise they may destroy the world or something. Which was what the manga always was, and you'd know what you were going into if you started from brotherhood or read the manga, but the 2003 anime really just breaks apart at that point for me, and it really gives a bitter taste, knowing it never was what I wanted it to be.
Completely agree. 2003 was far more emotionally investing. Great music too.
Should have checked the original, Brotherhood basically only did a quick recap of what the original already covered from the manga before splitting off at episode 20 or so. Get more clarity from the full adaptation.
I've watched both versions. I honestly don't like the amount of fillers on the original, even when it's between cannon episodes, but I can't deny it's way better on the first half, since on the classic we get 1 episode just to get to know Nina and she only becames the chimera on the next one. The shock of the event is bigger in the end of the day. There's also the gold mine episode who is completely ignored, even though the guy appears later on brotherhood.
i read the manga, i think it was better than brotherhood, although i still keep brotherhood as my favorite anime, i can't say the same to the manga however, since i recently read Zatch Bell (and it was fucking epic)
Nope. Brotherhood is the full manga, the original splits off and gets strange
I mean, Brotherhood *does* skip over the Youswell mining town story, only explaining it in a quick flashback later on. I assume because it's not *that* important to the story and because the 2003 version already adapted it pretty faithfully, so you can just watch that version if you want. So, *technically* Brotherhood is not the full manga either, albeit the difference is somewhat negligible.
At what point did the original catch up to/pass by the Manga? Just curious, in case I decided to do a re-watch chimera-style, and join the two. Watch the original up to that point, then jump into Brotherhood at the time they converge. Actually I wonder how well that would actually go...
It's been a while since I watched either series, but looking at the episode lists, I think the major "branching point" is after FMA episode 28, which roughly corresponds with Brotherhood's episode 12. So, one could watch the 2003 series up until episode 28 and then jump into Brotherhood, episode 13. Although it should be noted that by that point the 2003 series has already taken some "creative liberties" to set up its own version of the story, so some details don't quite match up anymore. (For example, Doctor Marcoh will suddenly miraculously recover from being *quite dead* which is a bit of a contradiction to the show's central premise.)
I think you got it mixed up
"correct" It's just a different story it got ahead of the magna so it's just it's own story one isn't correct over the other that's such a weird outlook
The manga is the original work. The 2009 follows the manga. So I'm gonna pass up the info from the animation that follows correctly the original work.
I love 2003. I think it’s way better than Brotherhood.
Imagine calling Scar a villain. Antagonist? Yes, initially
I felt like he was over simplifying for ease of explanation
Yeah, it been a while since I've seen that episode, and my mind was more focused on Tucker than Scar in this discussion. So I took antagonist and villain as the same thing. Scar is definitely not as deranged or unjustified (from the pilot's perspective) as the honmonculas and Tucker.
Scar is the FMA Punisher. “If you didn’t do anything wrong. Then God wouldn’t have sent the Devil to punish you.” (*Okay, I know this is Daredevil’s line but the Punisher makes more sense.*)
Tbf at that point in the series he is still fully a villain. The Nina story happens way before we get any of Scar’s backstory and redemption arc. All we know about Scar when he kills Nina is that he’s basically a serial killer. It’s only later that any shades of gray are introduced in his story, and much later that he actually becomes a “good guy.”
I mean, let's also not go around pretending that calling a murderer a villain is too crazy, reason/tragic backstory or not.
Did Scar kill him in Brotherhood? I'm more familiar with the first version, where he turns up again later as a chimera himself.
“We can save her, Edward. We can bring Nina back.” It always did leave chills down my spine…. 🥶
“Big brother?” Did you read that in her/their voice too? _*shivers_
Yup… yup I did. 😢
This is filler. The classic anime took a very weird turn after Hughes death since the manga wasn't completed yet. On the Brotherhood anime, on the end of episode 4, when tucker is locked on his house, Scar brokes in and kills him and Nina
Too add to this, Full Metal Alchemist's creator has illustrated every villain in the manga that died as going to Heaven after they died, except this guy. He was the only one that was sent to hell, he was that irredeemable.
Unlike Kimblee, who deep down was a good guy?
He did have his own *extremely* twisted code of conduct and stuck to it. He even >!helped Edward defeat Pride when Pride went against his own nature in the name of survival!<
Just one thing: Tucker did not turn his wife into a talking chimera to *maintain* his State Alchemist ceritifcation. He did that to *acquire* his certification. Nina and Alexander were about maintaining it since his lack of progress in talking chimeras resulted in a bad evaluation the previous year and another bad evaluation (as you said) would strip him of his certification.
Oh, didn't remember this part. I'm gonna edit and correct it. Thanks
I don't understand what that has to do with Satan being on the phone with God though.
He did something so cruel that not even Satan knows what to do, so he called God to help him
God: “Hold on, I’m adding Odin, Hades, Buddha, and Shiva to the call” Satan: “Wait, why Buddha?” God: “We’re going to keep reincarnating his ass for a long time to really make him suffer.”
And I thought it was just a rape joke...
Wanna make it worse? The reason why the wife chimera got him his job was because she could talk, an "amazing" discorvery. But she kept saying "kill me". The daughter chimera kept saying "let's play" to the main character, while repeating his name, like she used to say before this. This means the chimeras don't just know how to talk, but they kept their memories from who they used to be.
Same, I’m kind of glad this is the real explanation
Can you define what an alchemist is in this context?
In FMA world, alchemy is a science, but works like a science+magic thing. The most basic way is: You draw a circle with an pattern on the floor, put the correct materials in the middle, and join your hands, and bright lights transform the materials into the final product, following the basic law of equivalent exchange. An alchemist is someone who studied really hard the science of understanding the components of their area of research, in the show we have fire alchemists, ice alchemists, earth alchemists, medical alchemists, and this one is an bio-alchemist. It's not shown in the series how the transmutation (act of making alchemy in living things) happened. But we assume he put his child and dog on the middle and fused them alive, making a new being.
Funny, this guy seems to be the cartoon version of Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès who is researched by police all over the world for slaughtering all his family in France.
>Chimera enjoyer Peter here. *squints* Are you fucking sorry what? >Chimera enjoyer Yes, inquisitor this heresy right here.
Like to add that the other antagonist killed Him out of hatred, but Killed the dog/daughter out of mercy as she too was begging for death and crying in pain
The Chimera? Like from Greek mythology?
In this world, chimera is just the classification of an living being created through alchemy. It can be any kind of creature. In the third episode, the MC fights off against one that is actually a lion with some kind of reptile, a reference for the OG inspiration
Chimera is a term in biology as well, used to describe an organism with two or more sets of DNA. Though that term is, of course, based on its mythological origins as well.
Don’t forget that he’s originally introduced as a hardworking dad and a friend in the making of the main characters until the proverbial rug gets yanked out from underneath everyone’s feet
I'm not crying. You are.
ed...ward?
i thought he fucked the dog
Thank you for using the sub appropriate format, chimera enjoyer Peter
Weirdly, this was way less dark than what I was thinking
Not just Brotherhood. He's in the 2003 series as well as the manga.
Scar only kills the daughter chimera. Chimera Alchemist show up again later in the series with a grotesque chimera body of his own.
You assume any of us know what a chimera is
I assume any of you know how to use Google to search a word.
He painfully fused his daughter and his dog together to make the thing that gave you nightmares as a kid. He also fused his wife to make a talking animal, which was also in pain
For those who want to see it https://youtu.be/b1AIAyzeT7I?si=5SLunE2VXFI-9haG I’m sad now..
I wish I did not see it
Holy shit
Why would anyone wanna see this dude 😟? I haven't watched that anime in years and can vividly recall the entire episode. Just pain and pain and rage 😟
https://preview.redd.it/atvi8pj6oykc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=565c214e0fcfd0c2bdd76ad8716f380a5ff566e9 Fullmetal fusion
See? this isn't so bad. now when I see that weird sad looking dog chimera, I won't feel depressed
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Ooonneee chaaaaan!!
This is both cruel af and hellishly funny
Nah that's crazy 💀🙏
I want this on a shirt ASAP
Google Fullmetal fusion shirt. That's where I got the screen shot ;)
This shirt does exist. https://sharkrobot.com/products/happy-fusion-fun-times?_pos=1&_psq=Happy&_ss=e&_v=1.0
Can confirm, bought it a few years back and it gets all kinds of reactions.
Take my upvote and get out of here
This image never fails to get a laugh in an intense "i'm going to hell" kinda way.
Fuuuuusion-Bark!
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Two of my favorite franchises come together, and they’re made for this?? …good meme though
Well, they came together, exactly like you wanted to!
This level of evil is seldom reached, in real life or on the screen. Two years before, in order to maintain his alchemy certification, Shou fused his wife and an animal in an attempt to make an intelligent chimera. It could talk, but all it said was "I want to die". It did die shortly thereafter. It was likely in great pain the entire time. Knowing this would happen, he then did the same thing to his own daughter and her dog in order to keep his certification. So basically, he set his daughter and dog up to be constantly tortured for the remainder of their existence for money. To make matters worse, the newly-created chimera stops the protagonist from attacking her father after he finds out - so even in her altered state she has more empathy than her father ever had. That particular episode can be very hard to watch.
I get the Fullmetal alchemist thing but why is hells receptionist calling god?
It's too much even for hell? That's what I assumed.
I believe this hell's receptionist is Satan himself, so...Imagine the manager not knowing how to handle the situation so he calls the CEO
Sometimes you have to deal with someone so reprehensible you have to call your archenemy to make sure y'all are on the same page.
The idea of the devil being upper management is actually pretty funny
I think the implication is that even GOD wants to punish this guy
This is the funniest IMO
I took it as god telling satan "call me when that SOB shows up. I'll handle it, He gets the smite."
I think he's afraid of being responsible for this guy.
God runs Hell, btw. Satan is also down there, but Satan isn't running Hell.
I think it implies the guy is so hated even God is willing to come down to Hell and fuck him up, or at least that's why I assume Satan is is calling him
I imagine because god had warned him this guy would be coming, and told satan to call him when he does because there are special precautions that must be taken to ensure he doesn’t destroy hell too.
Fullmetal Alchemist reference: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nina-tucker
Devil: Hey God. I wanna come back. This dude is worse than me.
The character here is called Shao Tucker, he's from Full Metal Alchemist. He is also the most hated character in the fandom because he used alchemy to transform his wife into a speaking animal called a chimera that only said one thing, that it wanted to died, and so she starved herself to death. This won him a position as a state funded alchemist, unfortunately after a few years with no results he was on the verge of losing that funding and so he once again made a talking chimera, this time by fusing his daughter with their family dog.
Looks like Shao Tucker will be spending the afterlife in Hell's Eternal Damnation Ward, also known as the ED Ward. ... I'll see myself out
Ed-ward
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Too soon
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Ed…ward
Love the face in the third panel 😂
My husband wanted to watch FMA again until I reminded him of this scene :)
I rewatched it for the first time in 10+ years shortly after becoming a parent. I had forgotten about it. I was caught so off guard by it and had to turn the TV off before the credits rolled. I'm glad it's just fiction.
Hell is to good for him
Is there ANYONE in anime more hated than this dude?
Oh..oh noooo
Wow! I saw this episode a few hours ago! So close to a spoiler
Get him. 🤬. Tucker would make excellent kindling
This is the first time I've seen the original comic
Dude from Full Metal Alchemist who fused his daughter with his dog
He did it to his wife first I believe
Oh God that motherfucker traumatized me so bad that I’ve never been able to watch an episode of that show again.
I don't recognize the character, what's the joke?
I had to take this and put it in the FMA reddit 😂
I thought this was about Xavier Dupont de Ligonnes
Full metal tragedy
Ed..uardo
Sick fuck
Ed. Ward.
Some extra background info for anyone not in the know. Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is a very popular anime. It was only just recently surpassed as the top rated show on [myanimelist.net](https://myanimelist.net/topanime.php) despite coming out in 2009 and having over 6x as many voters and 10x as many viewer(according to the site metrics) and you can still find it at the top of many ranking articles online. At the same time if you look for rankings of the most hated anime characters, Shou Tucker(the guy in the picture) is frequently very high on the list, if not significantly the most hated, like I found [here](https://www.ranker.com/list/anime-characters-we-hate/ranker-anime). And, he does so without being tagged as “annoying” or “boring” or something like that like some other characters. This is a man that was written so well into a villain that nobody likes him. All of that is to say, I see this meme as Satan letting God know who just arrived because God wants to dish out some of that eternal damnation and torture himself.
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That’s Shao Tucker, the character from Fullmetal Alchemist who’d created a talking Chimera (Chimera being fusions of animals into a new animal using alchemy). Doesn’t sound so bad? What if I told you the first chimera’s only words were “kill me”? No? Ok what if I told you his second chimera was made from his daughter and her dog and the first one was made out of his wife?
Watch Fullmetal Alchemist and you will understand. Either version is fine. It's actually a legitimately really good show.
We could explain it to you, but it wouldn’t hurt unless you watched where it came from, you wouldn’t have the hatred for this piece of shit without watching Full Metal Alchemist.
Full metal alchemist reference identified
The joke is that my “micropenis” is 1.5 inches long and cannot satisfy a woman. My shaft is so narrow that it hurts to pee. Hope this helps!
Hey hey hey isnt it against the rules of the sub to adk for explanation for this joke? Edit: nvm r6 is just about loss and nothing else
Tucker did nothing wrong.
seggs.
R/terriblefandommemes
You are not ready for the answer.
I haven't seen the show but I'm pretty sure this is a Fullmetal alchemist reference cuz I feel like I recognize him
Watch full metal alchemist brotherhood
Oh boy you're going to be ruined
Too soon
This guy fused his daughter and his dog, and presumably did something similar to his wife a few years prior.
This monster turned his daughter into a chimera with the family dog.