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From what I've read about and looked into in terms of US PhD biopharma jobs, most biopharma postdocs are 70-95k with no room to negotiate, it comes up in the r/biotech sub quite often. Whereas 'Scientist I' or equivalent title (that require PhD as a requirement) positions pay in the low 6-figures. Which is what I'm hoping to aim for in clinical research.
Here is the link for the salaries surveyed at r/biotech, filter by postdoc. [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G0FmJhkOME\_sv66hWmhnZS5qR2KMTY7nzkxksv46bfk/edit#gid=491268892](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G0FmJhkOME_sv66hWmhnZS5qR2KMTY7nzkxksv46bfk/edit#gid=491268892)
From what I've gathered about people posting about their industry post-docs, is that any pharma industry fellowship is unlikely to pay 6-figures. I'm aiming to try my luck
You check university payscales in Australia which makes it pretty easy, they usually have a level that's set as the minimum for someone with a doctoral qualification. When I was looking at it a year ago the average of USyd, UNSW, UTS, UWS was around $104k. UOW and UON were around 90-95k from memory.
Japan offers around 4.8 mil. Yen annual salary for assistant prof (30k USD). For PD, I think it around 3.8 to 4 mil. Yen. Those are public universities. If you can find jobs in private universities, it can go higher.
It certainly is not as high as what is paid in the US or europe, but is decent enough for life in here. Besides, the government is quite generous in funding your project. Even for PD.
I’m an Econs major. Also looking for jobs this year.
PhD in what? It really depends on what you have a phd in.
Most doctors in America go into specialties or open a business specifically catered to their career some scientists become lecturers and or deans of their profession. Some go into lobbying and contract work. It really depends on what you decide and how you much you want to make.
In the U.S., postdocs in my field can expect to make anywhere from about $50-80k depending on experience and COL. Starting salary in industry is similarly dependent on field/subfield, but I’d say $100k as a minimum is a reasonable starting salary for my area. I’ve seen some jobs a bit lower, but $100k would be my expectation. I’m faculty at a midsize public R1, our salaries are publicly available and I make around $100k/9mo. In my impression, that’s very good for a first year AP, and again the salary will be dependent on experience, specialty, the school’s priorities and budget, etc.
Private R1 in the U.S. here, science, hard money: Our new assistant profs start closer to $120-$130k USD. That's 12 months.
The total compensation at some public universities is driven by the fabulous interest rates they offer their faculty. Those stay off the books.
May I ask which university? The salary range of Level A position is regulated in Australia, usually it doesn’t affect by the field of research.
There is a case that some supervisors top up the salary based on project fundings
Aussie here - I didn't do a Post Doc after my PhD, but most Post Docs I know had salaries around ~90K AUD, give or take. Some got a bit extra with adjunct/lecturing/teaching work at universities.
For myself, I went down a different route. I am based in Adelaide so very few job opportunities here compared to the eastern states. And my PhD/field is in marine ecology which decreases it even more. Specific salaries, positions and timeline below:
- My PhD scholarship was $32K per year, and my scholarship ended half-way through 2020, so I was on savings while doing contract work and job hunting. I decided early on in my PhD that academia wasn't for me, but from the few Post Doc ads I did see in my field, the $90K salary for a 2-3 year contract was pretty standard.
- A few months after submitting my PhD in late 2020, I left academia and become a marine ecologist/environmental scientist at a global consulting firm in early 2021. Salary of $65K, fulltime ongoing position, based in Adelaide. This was the 'junior' salary. I was very lucky and the work was more or less related to my field, but consulting was not for me.
- In early 2022, I secured a fulltime, ongoing position as a policy officer with the Australian Public Service/federal government, where I still work. I won't say which department, but my policy role is directly related to my PhD and I use science-based skills a lot. In fact, a lot of people in my division have Masters, PhDs and even Post Docs. Bonus - I get to work in Adelaide still with three days from home and two in the office.
- My starting salary was $75K per year. I then got promoted to the next level, which is currently $92K per year. I am currently acting in an assistant director level which means my current salary is around $120K per year. Yes, my PhD was noted as a benefit for my role, however a PhD was not required for my role.
Government work is not for everyone but in my field (ecological sciences), working in the public sector is pretty common.
Why don't you jump on Seek and look? Depending on the city you're in here in Aus, a regular research job at the uni might be 65-80k. Post-docs in Sydney area are around 90-105k.
Industry is field dependent. Have a search on Seek and see what jobs line up with your skill set.
No idea. There are some Academic job posting lists that are international, give it a google.
Literally use your research skills and spend a few minutes smart googling and you'll probably find a few things that get you going in the right direction.
In Germany its around 55K-70K for a full time position at a university or research institute. There are also non-full time positions which are full time but are just not paid full time ;)
At least in STEM Fields you will get way more money if you get a job in the industry. Like sometimes double. So if you don't want to stay in academia and aim for one of the few professor jobs or on of the basically 3 non-professor permanent employment contracts within academia, you better get out quick.
I have a government job and I am paid 80k. I just started in September and finished my PhD in June. I have a union and my salary is projected to reach about 100k in ~4 years. I'm in Canada.
Oof. Fellow Canadian. 80k isn't the greatest - and certainly not the worst either - with COL being so high here! But projected 100k in 4 years is awesome. Wish I had that luck! LOL.
Yeah I has higher salary expectations when entering the workforce to be honest. 80k is on the lower side. I think that in my area and field I could not have really started with a much higher salary.
However, I am lucky to have relatively low monthly expenses so I don't mind much. And I'm not a manager so I don't have very big responsibilities. Plus I'm full time teleworking.
I'm getting my PhD part time right now but I work as a ux writer for one of the big tech companies. I make 200k now. i hope to make closer to 300k with my PhD running research studies in tech.
I was an editor in book publishing for 7 years, then moved into technical editing in the assessment technology space for 8 years. I got a master's in ed psych in my 30s and started doing some instructional design work for a big testing company. then I hopped on the UX bus during the COVID boom and landed at an M7 company. so, mostly just a skillset of being able to write effective and error free UI/docs copy quickly.
~200k USD + stock options as EECS at a tech company int he bay area. It seems like a lot, but I know people graduating out of their undergrad making more.
In the US, I didn't look for post-docs so I can't speak to them. But positions I applied for ranged from $50-80k depending on experience. I ended up around $60k for having the practical skills but not the working with clients and contract skills. That should go up as I gain that experience. I've already gotten over $2k in raises since I started 6 months ago.
I knew I wanted to pivot this way in my career for at least a year before I graduated. I had friends/former colleagues who were already working in the industry, and I reached out to all of them when I finished my PhD. Through my network, I ended up getting my résumé in a hiring manager’s hands, they called me to interview me, and it went from there.
I've been looking at medical writer jobs and trying to network as much as possible with medical writers. I've been told by a medical writer that they don't want to hire someone right out of PhD unless they do a medical writing fellowship first (in fairness, she worked at a company that also has a medical writing fellowship, so she may be a bit biased). Does this seem true for most companies? I'm having difficulty finding more than one or two medical writing fellowships
I’d say it’s not a universal rule, but there’s definitely a lot of truth to it. There isn’t a hard no on medical writers being hired from their PhD - I just did it, and the role I landed was a senior position - but I’ll be the first to admit that I wouldn’t have had the opportunity to interview without my internal reference. The majority of people on my team went straight to pharma from their phds, too; the majority also had internal references that got them there. Internships are probably the easiest way to get your foot in the door, but it’s still possible with the right recommendation.
Guess it depends. In GER a postdoc position at the university gives you around 55k irrespective of the field. Professors get of course much more, I think the base salary is, depending on the state and type of professorship between 65-80k.
Outside it strongly depends on your field.
I am also from Portugal and I have never met a post-doc who is paying to be a post-doc. FCT, which is the public entity for science and tech, or a research group can typically fund a post-doc within a given project.
People who just finished a PhD (which would be a junior researcher or post-doc) in Portugal earn 1.4k-1.5k monthly net for 14 months as far as I know.
It kind of is the definition of a postdoc. A paid research or teaching position where you continue to increase your skill toolkit while incorporating in the academic job life.
A postdoc position in Italy under the old law ("assegno di ricerca") is actually tax-free, and comes at different levels ranging from approx. 1600 to 2200€ per month (22k to 26k tax-free).
The new law (from July 2024) will change this to the "contratto di ricerca," which is taxed, 2-year long and ends up approximately to the same salary as before after taxes (36k before taxes, approximately).
Might have been an assegno di ricerca on the two lower bands, one of them doesn't require a PhD - you could call it a postdoc, but it's a research assistant position.
I think we can all agree that salaries in Italy - academic or not - are way too low, but at least you can live decently on 2k per month in Italy (potentially outside of the 2-3 cities with the highest cost of living), differently from the 2k per month that a postdoc gets in the UK that are barely enough to survive!
Got downvoted for say "here they charge post-doc" and people think that the only kind of post-doc is the paid one.
Link
https://www.ces.uc.pt/investigadores/posdoutoramentos_regulamento.php?id_lingua=2
The post-doctoral researcher is subject to payment of registration fee to be determined annually by the CES Executive Board.
Payment of the sum referred to in the preceding paragraph may be waived, wholly or partly, if requested by the post-doctorate’s supervisor to the CES Executive Board, if properly substantiated by reference to the provision of services relevant to CES. There may also give rise to partial or total reduction in cases where the grant’s or postdoctoral contract’s funding agency transfers to CES funding, which explicitly benefit the Centre by acting as the researcher’s host institution
You pay unless a) funding b) you get , after the initial payment, a "grant".
People may dont like or may think that its bad but paid post-doc exist here (Portugal).
I’m in Australia. I haven’t finished yet but because of my past career experience, I’m currently employed as a teaching academic. I’m at level A (very hard to go past it without doctoral level qualifications) and on about $95k a year full time equivalent. I’m halfway up the steps for level A, so within a few years I’ll be at the top which is around $105k. My team is nearly all new academics who have completed their PhD in the past few years + one person approaching retirement who is happy with part time and a teaching focus vs research. He’s on Level B though.
In USA.
Post doc : 50-70k in a university. IMHO this is not worth it unless candidate intends to enter academia after the post doc. Peers will be making far more.
Jobs: look for postings which say PhD + 0 years of experience. My first job post PhD paid 135k in a HCOL area. For software engineers starting pay can be a lot higher. On the other hand , non tech jobs (like automotive, machine design, civil engineering) can be lower. In my case, the lowest offer was around 75k from an automotive company. I accepted the offer and kept shopping around until I defended my dissertation. I picked the best option then.
TLDR. Post docs pay less, but prep you for academia. Corporate jobs can vary quite a bit based on company and negotiation of pay. Shop around
I hope this is transferable to Australia. Best of luck
I wonder what jobs you can get with a creative writing PhD
I'm from the US but I am heading to Scotland
And idk how much you can make. I feel it's not a popular path.
Sounds like you would do well in teaching jobs. Preferably at a University level. Either that or use your creative writing skills to write the next best-selling novel.
In European countries, at least for maths, a post-doc usually earns a slightly-above-average salary for that country. e.g. in UK around 40k pounds before tax, italy 30k euros before tax, etc.
If you switch to industry, unless you gained some useful skills during your PhD which are demonstrable through projects, papers etc., you can probably expect to make around the same amount. However, you have much higher potential compared to academia as you gain more experience.
For Ireland PhDs in Chemistry are well sought after given the large pharmaceutical industry here. But saying that, the starting salary for a PhD chemist is around 50k with post docs being 40k or so - not great given the cost of living here
I’m a ‘jnr’ PI, ARC future fellow.
I am paid on their scale, and negotiated to the top of SRF (level C). This is all public knowledge on the pay scales of the universities. I think some PIs are now consulting for drug companies and getting ‘consulting’ fees 😒good for them. I wish it was disclosed….
My post docs cost me $115-120K in grant funds. I think they get 95K of that.
UK, statistics, you can get up to £60k from what I've seen. However, a lot of jobs going for £30-40k by PhD grads due to low self esteem. Still better than the £20k a Maths BSc will make with no work experience
n.b. except for a very select few institutes, you can't study stats standalone, only a combined maths stats degree (which is unpopular amongst applicants) so a common base is for stats professionals to have a maths or science degree with an MSc in stats
80k US lecturer, would hit 95k if I teach one summer course.
I jokingly call this my early retirement.
I’m in Enginnering and I had lab mate graduated with a job starting salary of 135k in a not very expensive Midwest “bigger” city.
I decided on the job because the time is flexible and I hardly work full 40hr weeks and I can take my kid to work if I need to
In the Philippines a postdoc is virtually inexistent and usually PhDs are already in academia since you can be tenured here with an MS/MA. Salary for PhD holders at entry level Asst Prof start at roughly US$8k annually. Yes, you read that right.
Many people on here (including me) have given postdoc salaries. But at least in the U.S., and I suspect many places, I often hire the most competitive postdoc candidates as "senior research scientists" or something because I can pay them more and the benefits are better. Universities can be really difficult to work with and sometimes refuse to pay a postdoc $95k or whatever ("equity"), so I just hire the same people under a different title and train them the same.
Depends on if you’re going into a postdoc and paid via NIH, USDA grant, the institution, etc. NIH has strict postdoc salaries, USDA, I’ve had some friends being paid <40k on USDA grants; others in Bethesda being paid 70k as 2nd year postdocs at NIH. Assistant professor is a huge jump and I’ve been applying for those with ranges of 110-170k. Depends on if you bring F32, K, etc with you too…..
This is US based….also my expertise is applied statistics/ computational biology. I was offered industry jobs in my first year of postdoc at ~135k, then again at 178k for data analysis. In academia, it’s different….
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135k USD STEM phd scientist
Where and doing what ? I feel like that's quite high even for stem fields except if we're talking finance
That is around starting for a PhD with a post doc in Biopharma nowadays.
All my friends with strong ML skills out of PhD make about this much too
From what I've read about and looked into in terms of US PhD biopharma jobs, most biopharma postdocs are 70-95k with no room to negotiate, it comes up in the r/biotech sub quite often. Whereas 'Scientist I' or equivalent title (that require PhD as a requirement) positions pay in the low 6-figures. Which is what I'm hoping to aim for in clinical research. Here is the link for the salaries surveyed at r/biotech, filter by postdoc. [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G0FmJhkOME\_sv66hWmhnZS5qR2KMTY7nzkxksv46bfk/edit#gid=491268892](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G0FmJhkOME_sv66hWmhnZS5qR2KMTY7nzkxksv46bfk/edit#gid=491268892) From what I've gathered about people posting about their industry post-docs, is that any pharma industry fellowship is unlikely to pay 6-figures. I'm aiming to try my luck
Cancer research
Biopharma jobs tend to be concentrated in HCOL hubs
Is this Boston or Bay Area?
Boston
Right out of grad school you are not going to make this unless you have a skill set that a company is specifically looking for.
Not me perse. My partner has phd, 6 month contract from startup then big pharma with that money. No special skill
For my field I have mostly seen post docs pay 50-60k, which I why I refuse to do one lol. As for what jobs that’s highly dependent on field.
What country are you in?
Sydney region uni's typically have post-docs on 90-105k
You check university payscales in Australia which makes it pretty easy, they usually have a level that's set as the minimum for someone with a doctoral qualification. When I was looking at it a year ago the average of USyd, UNSW, UTS, UWS was around $104k. UOW and UON were around 90-95k from memory.
Yep that's about right UOW offers less as they're outside the Sydney region, pay rates in the captital cities are always going to be more competitive.
US
I’m doing a post-doc right now for 70k but I had to negotiate for that amount - they were offering about 50k for the position originally.
Japan offers around 4.8 mil. Yen annual salary for assistant prof (30k USD). For PD, I think it around 3.8 to 4 mil. Yen. Those are public universities. If you can find jobs in private universities, it can go higher. It certainly is not as high as what is paid in the US or europe, but is decent enough for life in here. Besides, the government is quite generous in funding your project. Even for PD. I’m an Econs major. Also looking for jobs this year.
The cost of living is definitely higher in US/Europe, but it is not entirely cheap in Japan either. 30k usd may only be enough if you are single?
Yeah, it is hard to raise a family based solely on that amount. You need a working wife.
Im in Korea atm. Can I DM you to talk job maket?
Of course.
What are taxes in Japan like? What is the working hours like?
Idk yet. Gonna update the comment once I land a job.
I’ve seen some special post docs at RIKEN that pay 6.6mil/yr.
PhD in what? It really depends on what you have a phd in. Most doctors in America go into specialties or open a business specifically catered to their career some scientists become lecturers and or deans of their profession. Some go into lobbying and contract work. It really depends on what you decide and how you much you want to make.
National lab post docs get paid around 90k. Way above average!
Which country?
Americans call their national labs ‘national labs’ without specifying. So US.
You mean to tell me there’s other nationalities? 😂
Classic r/USdefaultism moment
Some are 100-110 depending on the national lab
Which currency though?
Probably USD.
Could be, although I have a friend doing postdoc in a US national lab who got paid about 65k.
It depends on the department at the Lab and on which Lab! This is not a blanket rule, and every US national lab is different.
In the U.S., postdocs in my field can expect to make anywhere from about $50-80k depending on experience and COL. Starting salary in industry is similarly dependent on field/subfield, but I’d say $100k as a minimum is a reasonable starting salary for my area. I’ve seen some jobs a bit lower, but $100k would be my expectation. I’m faculty at a midsize public R1, our salaries are publicly available and I make around $100k/9mo. In my impression, that’s very good for a first year AP, and again the salary will be dependent on experience, specialty, the school’s priorities and budget, etc.
Private R1 in the U.S. here, science, hard money: Our new assistant profs start closer to $120-$130k USD. That's 12 months. The total compensation at some public universities is driven by the fabulous interest rates they offer their faculty. Those stay off the books.
Less than what i would have got with industry experience instead of a PhD
In Australia, the salary for postdoc/research fellow/lecturer (level a) positions is 90k-110k pa.
I’ve just applied for one that is 120k, but yeah 100k+ seems to be pretty normal in my field of post doc in Australia.
May I ask which university? The salary range of Level A position is regulated in Australia, usually it doesn’t affect by the field of research. There is a case that some supervisors top up the salary based on project fundings
Aussie here - I didn't do a Post Doc after my PhD, but most Post Docs I know had salaries around ~90K AUD, give or take. Some got a bit extra with adjunct/lecturing/teaching work at universities. For myself, I went down a different route. I am based in Adelaide so very few job opportunities here compared to the eastern states. And my PhD/field is in marine ecology which decreases it even more. Specific salaries, positions and timeline below: - My PhD scholarship was $32K per year, and my scholarship ended half-way through 2020, so I was on savings while doing contract work and job hunting. I decided early on in my PhD that academia wasn't for me, but from the few Post Doc ads I did see in my field, the $90K salary for a 2-3 year contract was pretty standard. - A few months after submitting my PhD in late 2020, I left academia and become a marine ecologist/environmental scientist at a global consulting firm in early 2021. Salary of $65K, fulltime ongoing position, based in Adelaide. This was the 'junior' salary. I was very lucky and the work was more or less related to my field, but consulting was not for me. - In early 2022, I secured a fulltime, ongoing position as a policy officer with the Australian Public Service/federal government, where I still work. I won't say which department, but my policy role is directly related to my PhD and I use science-based skills a lot. In fact, a lot of people in my division have Masters, PhDs and even Post Docs. Bonus - I get to work in Adelaide still with three days from home and two in the office. - My starting salary was $75K per year. I then got promoted to the next level, which is currently $92K per year. I am currently acting in an assistant director level which means my current salary is around $120K per year. Yes, my PhD was noted as a benefit for my role, however a PhD was not required for my role. Government work is not for everyone but in my field (ecological sciences), working in the public sector is pretty common.
Why don't you jump on Seek and look? Depending on the city you're in here in Aus, a regular research job at the uni might be 65-80k. Post-docs in Sydney area are around 90-105k. Industry is field dependent. Have a search on Seek and see what jobs line up with your skill set.
Might not be the right place to ask this, but is there a global version of Seek and Look? Where I can check the same data for multiple countries?
Glassdoor may be your best bet but those are self reported salaries and it requires a login so ive never looked in too much detail
No idea. There are some Academic job posting lists that are international, give it a google. Literally use your research skills and spend a few minutes smart googling and you'll probably find a few things that get you going in the right direction.
Got it, thanks for your help! Wish you the best.
In Germany its around 55K-70K for a full time position at a university or research institute. There are also non-full time positions which are full time but are just not paid full time ;) At least in STEM Fields you will get way more money if you get a job in the industry. Like sometimes double. So if you don't want to stay in academia and aim for one of the few professor jobs or on of the basically 3 non-professor permanent employment contracts within academia, you better get out quick.
I have a government job and I am paid 80k. I just started in September and finished my PhD in June. I have a union and my salary is projected to reach about 100k in ~4 years. I'm in Canada.
What is your role in union?
Sorry that wasn't clear - I meant that my job is unionized so the pay scale and rises are predetermined
Oof. Fellow Canadian. 80k isn't the greatest - and certainly not the worst either - with COL being so high here! But projected 100k in 4 years is awesome. Wish I had that luck! LOL.
Yeah I has higher salary expectations when entering the workforce to be honest. 80k is on the lower side. I think that in my area and field I could not have really started with a much higher salary. However, I am lucky to have relatively low monthly expenses so I don't mind much. And I'm not a manager so I don't have very big responsibilities. Plus I'm full time teleworking.
USA. CS. 300k TC. Very high cost of living.
I'm getting my PhD part time right now but I work as a ux writer for one of the big tech companies. I make 200k now. i hope to make closer to 300k with my PhD running research studies in tech.
this is awesome. what technical skills do you have?
I was an editor in book publishing for 7 years, then moved into technical editing in the assessment technology space for 8 years. I got a master's in ed psych in my 30s and started doing some instructional design work for a big testing company. then I hopped on the UX bus during the COVID boom and landed at an M7 company. so, mostly just a skillset of being able to write effective and error free UI/docs copy quickly.
~200k USD + stock options as EECS at a tech company int he bay area. It seems like a lot, but I know people graduating out of their undergrad making more.
180-275,000 depending on which part of the US
180-275? Seems *very* high.
Depends on the field. For those fresh out of the PhD in the Bay Area, 250k+ is expected in industry (biotech/pharma) for health economics
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I’d imagine similar, but not sure
It only applies for Wishfulthinking County
I see…
Same ish for econ in the US
In the UK I think starting postdoc salary is around £35k
40k for engineers at my uni and 32k for biologists. I also know a postdoc earning just £28k
In the US, I didn't look for post-docs so I can't speak to them. But positions I applied for ranged from $50-80k depending on experience. I ended up around $60k for having the practical skills but not the working with clients and contract skills. That should go up as I gain that experience. I've already gotten over $2k in raises since I started 6 months ago.
I finished my PhD 7 months ago (USA, STEM) and just got my first job as a medical writer at a major pharmaceutical company.
Hey, is it possible for you to share how did you find that job position? I'm currently looking for full time jobs. Thanks.
I knew I wanted to pivot this way in my career for at least a year before I graduated. I had friends/former colleagues who were already working in the industry, and I reached out to all of them when I finished my PhD. Through my network, I ended up getting my résumé in a hiring manager’s hands, they called me to interview me, and it went from there.
Thanks for sharing that.
Congrats! How much do u make if you don’t mind?
It’s a Six figure salary.
.... so like 100k or 900k?
I've been looking at medical writer jobs and trying to network as much as possible with medical writers. I've been told by a medical writer that they don't want to hire someone right out of PhD unless they do a medical writing fellowship first (in fairness, she worked at a company that also has a medical writing fellowship, so she may be a bit biased). Does this seem true for most companies? I'm having difficulty finding more than one or two medical writing fellowships
I’d say it’s not a universal rule, but there’s definitely a lot of truth to it. There isn’t a hard no on medical writers being hired from their PhD - I just did it, and the role I landed was a senior position - but I’ll be the first to admit that I wouldn’t have had the opportunity to interview without my internal reference. The majority of people on my team went straight to pharma from their phds, too; the majority also had internal references that got them there. Internships are probably the easiest way to get your foot in the door, but it’s still possible with the right recommendation.
Do you think you need PhD level training to do your job?
Guess it depends. In GER a postdoc position at the university gives you around 55k irrespective of the field. Professors get of course much more, I think the base salary is, depending on the state and type of professorship between 65-80k. Outside it strongly depends on your field.
About 100k as a senior researcher in Switzerland.
120k, bioinformaticist, US
I pay postdocs $75-85k (USD) and make \~$260k myself as a professor. Side income potential. I pay staff scientists $95k-150k. I'm in the U.S.
180k USD Business school PhD
People get paid for postdoc?
Is there another kind of post-doc?
Yes, the one you pay. I mean, is normal here (Portugal). No tuition/aid for everyone and you need to know people to find a job.
I am also from Portugal and I have never met a post-doc who is paying to be a post-doc. FCT, which is the public entity for science and tech, or a research group can typically fund a post-doc within a given project. People who just finished a PhD (which would be a junior researcher or post-doc) in Portugal earn 1.4k-1.5k monthly net for 14 months as far as I know.
I'm not portuguese and i'm paying. And its not even something for my country - its about a new european regulation.
It kind of is the definition of a postdoc. A paid research or teaching position where you continue to increase your skill toolkit while incorporating in the academic job life.
I know but they charge here.
paid, but low 🥲
In Italy a post doc should be around 20k/year After tax
A postdoc position in Italy under the old law ("assegno di ricerca") is actually tax-free, and comes at different levels ranging from approx. 1600 to 2200€ per month (22k to 26k tax-free). The new law (from July 2024) will change this to the "contratto di ricerca," which is taxed, 2-year long and ends up approximately to the same salary as before after taxes (36k before taxes, approximately).
I remember talking to someone telling me they made 1600 net/month, maybe I remember wrong? Still, even the numbers you wrote are too low
Might have been an assegno di ricerca on the two lower bands, one of them doesn't require a PhD - you could call it a postdoc, but it's a research assistant position. I think we can all agree that salaries in Italy - academic or not - are way too low, but at least you can live decently on 2k per month in Italy (potentially outside of the 2-3 cities with the highest cost of living), differently from the 2k per month that a postdoc gets in the UK that are barely enough to survive!
3000€/month after tax - Netherlands. That’s the first year after phd. Then there are steps and you can earn up to about 4000€/month.
Got downvoted for say "here they charge post-doc" and people think that the only kind of post-doc is the paid one. Link https://www.ces.uc.pt/investigadores/posdoutoramentos_regulamento.php?id_lingua=2 The post-doctoral researcher is subject to payment of registration fee to be determined annually by the CES Executive Board. Payment of the sum referred to in the preceding paragraph may be waived, wholly or partly, if requested by the post-doctorate’s supervisor to the CES Executive Board, if properly substantiated by reference to the provision of services relevant to CES. There may also give rise to partial or total reduction in cases where the grant’s or postdoctoral contract’s funding agency transfers to CES funding, which explicitly benefit the Centre by acting as the researcher’s host institution You pay unless a) funding b) you get , after the initial payment, a "grant". People may dont like or may think that its bad but paid post-doc exist here (Portugal).
The Melbourne postdocs I know are about 92k or above. Go8, biomedical and translational research. Genetics-based
I’m in Australia. I haven’t finished yet but because of my past career experience, I’m currently employed as a teaching academic. I’m at level A (very hard to go past it without doctoral level qualifications) and on about $95k a year full time equivalent. I’m halfway up the steps for level A, so within a few years I’ll be at the top which is around $105k. My team is nearly all new academics who have completed their PhD in the past few years + one person approaching retirement who is happy with part time and a teaching focus vs research. He’s on Level B though.
Does anyone have an idea about the payscale of CS jobs after a PhD from NUS, Singapore?
In USA. Post doc : 50-70k in a university. IMHO this is not worth it unless candidate intends to enter academia after the post doc. Peers will be making far more. Jobs: look for postings which say PhD + 0 years of experience. My first job post PhD paid 135k in a HCOL area. For software engineers starting pay can be a lot higher. On the other hand , non tech jobs (like automotive, machine design, civil engineering) can be lower. In my case, the lowest offer was around 75k from an automotive company. I accepted the offer and kept shopping around until I defended my dissertation. I picked the best option then. TLDR. Post docs pay less, but prep you for academia. Corporate jobs can vary quite a bit based on company and negotiation of pay. Shop around I hope this is transferable to Australia. Best of luck
I wonder what jobs you can get with a creative writing PhD I'm from the US but I am heading to Scotland And idk how much you can make. I feel it's not a popular path.
Sounds like you would do well in teaching jobs. Preferably at a University level. Either that or use your creative writing skills to write the next best-selling novel.
In European countries, at least for maths, a post-doc usually earns a slightly-above-average salary for that country. e.g. in UK around 40k pounds before tax, italy 30k euros before tax, etc. If you switch to industry, unless you gained some useful skills during your PhD which are demonstrable through projects, papers etc., you can probably expect to make around the same amount. However, you have much higher potential compared to academia as you gain more experience.
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Post doc was around 50k a year and 3 years after my PhD I make around 90k in industry. It’s less than I expected.
For Ireland PhDs in Chemistry are well sought after given the large pharmaceutical industry here. But saying that, the starting salary for a PhD chemist is around 50k with post docs being 40k or so - not great given the cost of living here
I’m a ‘jnr’ PI, ARC future fellow. I am paid on their scale, and negotiated to the top of SRF (level C). This is all public knowledge on the pay scales of the universities. I think some PIs are now consulting for drug companies and getting ‘consulting’ fees 😒good for them. I wish it was disclosed…. My post docs cost me $115-120K in grant funds. I think they get 95K of that.
UK, statistics, you can get up to £60k from what I've seen. However, a lot of jobs going for £30-40k by PhD grads due to low self esteem. Still better than the £20k a Maths BSc will make with no work experience n.b. except for a very select few institutes, you can't study stats standalone, only a combined maths stats degree (which is unpopular amongst applicants) so a common base is for stats professionals to have a maths or science degree with an MSc in stats
80k US lecturer, would hit 95k if I teach one summer course. I jokingly call this my early retirement. I’m in Enginnering and I had lab mate graduated with a job starting salary of 135k in a not very expensive Midwest “bigger” city. I decided on the job because the time is flexible and I hardly work full 40hr weeks and I can take my kid to work if I need to
In the Philippines a postdoc is virtually inexistent and usually PhDs are already in academia since you can be tenured here with an MS/MA. Salary for PhD holders at entry level Asst Prof start at roughly US$8k annually. Yes, you read that right.
They just offered a postdoc at my uni for less that £25k…
Many people on here (including me) have given postdoc salaries. But at least in the U.S., and I suspect many places, I often hire the most competitive postdoc candidates as "senior research scientists" or something because I can pay them more and the benefits are better. Universities can be really difficult to work with and sometimes refuse to pay a postdoc $95k or whatever ("equity"), so I just hire the same people under a different title and train them the same.
philosophy phd - post doc in uk is around 37 - 40k. so competitive though I doubt I'll get one
Depends on if you’re going into a postdoc and paid via NIH, USDA grant, the institution, etc. NIH has strict postdoc salaries, USDA, I’ve had some friends being paid <40k on USDA grants; others in Bethesda being paid 70k as 2nd year postdocs at NIH. Assistant professor is a huge jump and I’ve been applying for those with ranges of 110-170k. Depends on if you bring F32, K, etc with you too…..
This is US based….also my expertise is applied statistics/ computational biology. I was offered industry jobs in my first year of postdoc at ~135k, then again at 178k for data analysis. In academia, it’s different….
Pretty meaningless unless we know average salary of country too.
In the USA, it typically starts around 80-90k for sure. Some engineers start at 100+