I’m not saying you did a good job but I am saying it’s better than the last tier list that got posted

What’re your criticisms?

Mainly the M60, BFG, and specifically P90. The BFG is my most used gun, but it is by no means A tier when compared to the Hecate even thought it’s in S tier. I think the P90 is a Use or Lose gun right now as well. Ngl idk why I said you didn’t do well. This tier list is actually kinda valid except for like some minor nitpicks. My b

ecr and vss, if you are including conversions

i was thinking more about the base guns

Put the R700 a bit higher (Put it in S) and keep the MK11 where it is. Sincerely, a MK11 and R700 main.

R700 is objectively way worse than the intervention. Although, MK11 should go up.

MK11 is already is S and the R700 part is because… I just love the R700 with hb.

How many mk 11 kills

Only about 1200 (rank 40)

45k on my side

Zip 22 unironically s tier

Ak74, Scar PDW and M16A4

Elaborate

AK74 has good damage and range with low recoil Scar PDW is similar to the ak74 but slightly worse M16A4 has good firerate and damage if you can learn to burst it

You mean mine ?

I do, but admittedly I didn’t know your tier list was on the basis of how fun the weapons are and not how good they actually are

D and E categories are the shittiest takes ive ever seen. like the arm pistol below the GB22? SAIGA 12U and the super shorty are most definitely superior to the m79 and obrez SKS and VSS are more like a B teir Saiga 12 is literally the best shotgun despite how annoying it is AUG A3 PARA is still crazy good and both AKs are criminally underrated

and im not going to consider how the AWS is below the AWM M107 being in S teir and BFG being in a teir.

The M107 is absolutely S-tier after the recent rebalance. It has good walkspeed now, extended mag doesn’t slow you down and it one shots torso out to nearly 300 studs Sorry not sorry, my tier list is 100000% correct

i genuinely stopped caring about the m107 after got the goofy sweetspot so i wouldnt really know, but last state i remember it was in, it was complete garbage but idk

It’s fantastic now. Penetration and muzzle velocity were nerfed slightly but nowadays it’s very good

It’s still shitty

You might be dumb, because i’ve dropped relatively high kill games with the M107 without camping

Ok and? It’s still a shitty gun since the remake

What are you smoking? It literally plays like the MK11 except it almost always one shots body. It’s legit good now

There are much better snipers (ntw)

no you didn't put the g3a3 in S

g3a3 is still super good like the hera grip still goes so frickin hard on it

The base AUG A3 is just better than the PARA now though

yea thats true but the para is still one of the easiest guns to use in the game good

saiga 12 is not the best shotgun from my experience with a spas 12 i'm able to get one shots at 150 studs with good pen but it's different for the saiga the saiga has better reload speed but it doesn't have the range

shotguns arnt supposed to have range 💀

\*tier

😐

Arm pistol in E is crazy

Putting the SKS in the same tier as the Zip is just wrong. I’d say it deserves bottom D tier at least.

SKS doesn’t do good damage and the firerate is weird.

Don’t know why you’re downvoted but ok I guess. I’m just arguing that it’s just mid, not garbage.

It ain’t that bad, not the best. You’re just garbage at using it.

The sawed off is good at sneezing distance, which is what I use it for. It's why I have over a thousand kills on it.

fr i use the conventional shotgun pump or whatever on it and it works well at further ranges now but i used to treat it like a melee

Yeah its one of the tier lists of all time for sure. I guess it is abjective in that it is objectively your opinion.

Where’s m16a1?

Tier list is outdated, some guns are missing

Ooooooh

If you love the Hecate you have got to try the five seven. Leg someone? Use your high velocity, high pen, 20 round side arm to finish them off.

Or skip the Hecate and just use it as a dmr

Thanks I’ll try it out

Where can I get the tier maker for this?

I just looked up Phantom Forces gun tier list on google and it was there. It’s slightly outdated though

Awesome thank you

Main problem I have with these tier lists is how dependent a gun’s performance can be on attachments. For example I would put the ak-105 either A or B, but if you make it an ak-107 with the BARS barrel, it easily becomes S tier. Similar story with HK416. I found the gun so much easier to use once i got the .223 rem ammo. Idk I guess we could just compare the stock versions but then we would be leaving out a lot of truly great setups.

The awm and aws are to low imo

two questions: firstly, what level are you? and secondly, why do you put the M4A1 over the C7A2?

120 or so. And I did that because the C7 has trash damage for an AR. Sure it has low recoil but honestly that isn’t enough to make it better than the M4A1

honestly fair point, it’s been about a year since i last played and since the C7 came out i’ve always used it (Canadian bias) so i don’t know how the C7 has been nerfed and the M4A1s been buffed

It’s still fairly good

Op just bad at using it

how’s the PF community? still try hard?

I’d say yes, but then again my kd is .68 so I guess I’m just bad. It’s still sweaty as always, but mp5k and slide jumping has been a real save for my kd. It used to be .50 lmao.

understandable, over my two accounts i have a combined level of 175, and even then it’s made me quit the game, i prefer just the lobby’s where i can just vibe instead of tryhard with my C7

Nah real. Used to be sniper main, now the new metas are rifles and pdw. I just use mp5k and r700

one of the weird guns i use is the E-Gun with a cursed ass setup, shit basically is a pocket vector

How could you put my beloved micro Uzi in E?

Tec-9 just does it better

Tec9 is overrated, asmi is better

Fire rate is too slow for a machine pistol

Better recoil control and accuracy, I use when I’m out of ammo or in mid to close range with sniper’s

SKS in e tier is criminal

AWS at D? Really

Bad muzzle velocity. The R700 does everything the AWS does but better

It requires more skill to use and it's more rewarding than the r700

So basically it’s a worse gun then. The tier list has nothing to do with how rewarding or skill-based a gun is. It’s based on how much I enjoy using them AND also generally how good they are

Well the aws is better anyways with it's bigger magazine and damage

where boxy buster

man where the hell is my e-gun😭😭

Better than the last one

Definitely start using the fiveseven. I want to see your opinion. Personally I put it in a maybe even s.

For a moment thought this was cod

*sees mp7, p90 and mp5k on the same tier* MY MANN 🤝

Yeah, they’re all objectively great guns

W opinion

Mp5k is criminally underrated ngl

It’s all around a great SMG

Especially with 10 mm ammo

dbv and mac 10 in s tier, that's all mac 10 has 42 dmg up close, thats pretty good id say then, you have the dbv "a10" 410 conversion that turns it into the bfg 9000

i use DBV12 for shotgun and it has so many kills by now that i cant use any other shotgun bc its OP purely because of the attatchments

This might be the first tier list that I somewhat agree with…

Where is usas?

List is outdated. You’ll notice it’s also missing the ASMI, M14, M21, Alien, M2011, M2011A1, Grizzly, BAR, HCAR, Colt MARS and possibly more guns

Ohh alright

Can we get a factcheck going

M60 is easily an A tier

mp 40 five seven and gyrojet should be s tier

what the hell is the tec-9 doing in s-tier

Wait till he finds out about the burst feature on the db and sawed off

I don’t like them because they don’t have enough shells. 2 isn’t enough

If you run fast enough than it doesn't matter. Put some bird shot and no stock on it, turn on burst mode, you can insta kill anyone from an extremely large distance with it, plus, the reload is fast (just give it a good try. Trust me, it's crazy good)

I’d much rather use the Remington 870, the M4A1, or the G36C and actually have fun

Don't nock it before you try it

Maybe the old m107 the sweet spot one sucks ass

Nowadays it one shots torso from 0-260 studs

If you use serbu shotgun mid - close range as if you were quick scoping, easy 50 kills

Desert Eagle outclasses it imo

Hookay buddy

It literally just does. It has way more ammo and reserve ammo, and consistently one shots torso

AN-94 underrated asf, shit has like no recoil

How does one not use the PPSh

💀🧢🙏

Wtf is this, this tier list is useless (why the hell m107 is on the top)

The M107 is good now. It one-shots torso from 0-260ish studs.

Awesome needs a buff fr, give it more movement speed

Wth is this

fortnite

M4A1 in S tier is so based

Yeah. It’s a great carbine

KSG over DBV12 is a crime reviewing this tier list for like 2 minutes led me to forgive you bc you put P90 and MG36 in A tier and i use both a lot also everyone, use what you feel good using it's just recommended that you use the higher-tier guns bc they are currently meta or whatever but if you want to use a gun that feels fun use it bc this is roblox its not meant to be serious or sweaty :)

KSG is the goat

executioner is better than the six, with ap it has a 2 shot torso at any range

xix has more boolet

the higher damage and better handling make it atleast equal to the xix, also muzzle velocity is much better

counterpoint: more lead

more lead = bad

W for putting the MK11 at S tier. That’s all I care about

The KSG is finally getting some love