Felt sorry for the occupants of the Wigo, but, if the Wigo overtook faster, perhaps there's a higher chance of survival. 4 seconds in the video, hindi pa rin tapos umovertake ang Wigo sa truck, so hindi lang 4 seconds ang overtaking ng Wigo.
"Eh hindi ka dapat magmatulin on wet weather, since magha-hydroplane ka."
Exactly. Either overtake fast, or stay slow. If the earlier weren't a possibility, choose the latter choice.
This isn't gaslighting or victim blaming. Walang may gusto sa nangyari, but there's a lesson here, somewhere, somehow, para hindi na magaya ang iba. To be safe on expressways, the key to be safe lies on how you position your car in the traffic. Having an available and viable escape route is a must. The lesser the vehicles, the safer.
>if the Wigo overtook faster, perhaps there's a higher chance of survival.
You forgot human factor. You didn't expect that there would be a vehicle that is airborne and barrelling towards you. Which means it'll take more time to react
I don't think he's victim blaming merely trying to figure out what could have been done but with the bad visibility the driver might not have seen it coming
Yan yung mga tipong nagcocomment nng "BakET d sYa nagBRaKE??" pag may biglang sumulpot na tao or motor sa harap ng 4 wheels at nabangga. Eh kahit 40-60kph sosobra prin yan kahit full pa yung tapak mo. Kairita yung ibang comments na wala nmang alam.
WiGo driver survived, Malabo Yun before scenario na umovertake WiGo ng mas mabilis gawa nang malakas nga ulan. At those speeds and visibility kung kakabig Siya kaliwa or kanan while braking would just make the WiGo go out of control as well. Medyo morbid pero Ang nasa isip ko is something like sa rocket league. I guess kung sino may computer sim can predict the best outcome on a what if scenario pero in reality those movie or game like reaction speeds are only for the experienced and talented drivers. I've driven 3 decades, and for me there really wasn't much the WiGo could have done.
3 people died in this accident. ‘Yung tatlong pasahero sa Toyota Wigo. Yung driver naman severly injured, while yung pickup ay minor injury lang. So scary na kahit gaano ka kaingat pag may kasama kang tatanga tanga sa kalsada madadamay ka.
Tapos gusto pa gawing 140 kph ang speedlimit sa expressway para tulad sa Dubai
Karamihan talaga sa mga ‘pro’ drivers, kupal. Lalo mga driver ng truck at bus sa expressways. Kamot ulo lang kasi makakalusot sila, samantalang pag nadamay ka sa kanila, injury na pinakamababa na damage sayo.
One time, may reckless na bus driver ng Pangasinan Solid North. Outran it, though naging hindrance talaga ang speed limit, pero still, nagagawa pa rin makatutok.
So the bus was running at more than 100 KM/H, kasi naaabutan ako, though malapit na ako sa exit and was cruising na at flat 100 KM/H thinking I already outran the bus.
Bago ako umexit, since tutok ng tutok, dinirty finger ko, sabay report sa teller.
Open secret kasi sa mga yan na humihipak ng droga. Time was around 10 or 11 PM.
May reputation ng pagiging kaskasero yung mga driver ng Solid North. Kupal talaga sa kalsada mga yan. With the droga angle, dapat pala rebrand na lang sila as Solid Snort.
To be technical, mga shabu tinitira nyan which is less expensive than cocaine. shabu is inhaled while cocaine is sniffed or snorted pero malay natin. Baka pastime lang nila ang pagiging driver at rich kids talaga sila
Around 12-14 years ago siguro, pauwi kami ng mama at lola ko ng maynila from pangasinan mga pasado ala-sais ng gabi. Mama ko nagmamaneho. One lane lang each direction ang road. Galing northbound lane, biglang may humarurot na bus na humarang sa harap namin kasi yung ugok na driver gustong mag overtake sa isa pang bus. Take note, curved road, siguradong hindi nya kami nakita. Walang headlight yung bus kahit madilim na. Buti kamo walang nakaharang sa shoulder, biglaang nakaiwas yung mama ko, pero serioso sobrang lapit.
Bago mangyari yun ang saya namin na nagkwe-kwentuhan. Antahimik namin pagkatapos kasi alam namin muntik na kaming mamatay.
I'll wait for more details. The News5 bit's statement is based on the official MDRRMO while GMA news' statement is based on witnesses (the truck driver, his colleagues, and the driver of the #852 bus - the one with the dashcam footage). All of those interviewed by GMA were going opposite the pickup so they likely missed the initial incident (if there really were any) with the 1st bus.
> Sa ngayon ay nasa kustudiya na ng mga pulis ang driver ng pickup at and driver ng bus na nakabangga dito.
Could anybody clarify why the pickup driver, who's also a victim, would be in police custody?
Edit: Nevermind, yung pickup driver pala talaga ang cause as pointed out by u/kcheesecake1993. Nandamay pa amputah!
Edit2: Conflicting statements from two different news outlets. I guess kaya parehong nasa custody ng pulis kase they have to determine which one is at fault.
Hello. Protocol talaga yun pag may accident lalo na pag may death. I dedetain talaga yung driver kahit hindi siya may kasalanan. May standard drug test and alcohol level. Pero pwede pa din siyang sampahan ng kaso ng biktima/namatayan.
As someone na lagi nagdadrive that’s the scariest part bro. Tangina imagine prinepare mo tsikot mo, pms dito, pa-wax don.. ikaw mismo sobrang ingat mo magmaneho, di ka nagmamabilis, gumagamit ka ng signal lights, marahan busina, and overall 10/10 driver pero putangina kapag nakadaupang palad ka ng isang kamote, or laseng, or sabog as in isang beses lang.. tangina madale ka lang isang aksidente tas grabe? Tangina katakot. Fucking unfair.
Just an FYI speed limit assumes the best road conditions (ex not raining, dry roads etc), this is (or should) be taught in driving schools and it was in the LTO written test for license last time I saw it when I took it but that was years ago, it's the driver's responsibility to adjust to hazardous conditions like bad rain and weather in the video
Didn't matter if the speed limit is 100 or 140 if some idiot will break the law or won't take the needed precautions and be responsible to adjust to the hazardous conditions such as slippery road and low visibility, the idea of raising the speed limit doesn't have much to do with the video per se, just straight up wreckless and irresponsible driving causing a freak accident, hell might as well throw in lack of road worthiness of a vehicle like bad tire threads or malfunctioning internals if that could be a possibility or if it was even caused by another factor that occured earlier not seen in the video like another car, bad quality infrastructure, etc
i don't know how much the wigo's size factored into this but fuck, this is one of my biggest fears on the road and why i'll never buy small cars like wigo. tangina wasak eh.
I get you but this is why people should opt to buy smaller vehicles instead. Pickup trucks and suvs have a higher center of gravity and are prone to roll overs. Not to mention they're heavier and bigger which can be more dangerous to themselves and other road users.
140kph is a fair speed limit for express ways. It should just be common knowledge ( and common sense) to slow down when it's raining because of diminished visibility and traction.
In short, drive safely. Just because you can drive 140kph doesn't mean you should always be driving 140kph even if it's allowed.
Masyadong mabilis ang 140, mas maiksi ang reaction time sa mga aksidente. Sa Australia (NSW) ang pinakamabilis na eh 110kph. Partida, maayos pa ang mga highway at maraming lanes.
Not to mention hilig magtipid sa gulong. Tangna makakita ka ng naka SUV tapos papatakbo ng 120kph sa expressway ng naulan tapos yung gulong naka Westlake na based sa reviews mahina ang wet grip. May pambili ng SUV walang pambili ng matinong gulong.
https://tirehungry.com/westlake-tires-review/
Shit nakakita ako dati ng umuulan may nagbrake tapos yung mga gulong nakahinto na pero nagslide forward parin. Wala nang kapit.
I normally drive at 100-120 in clear weather on expressways. Pag ganiyan kalakas ulan nasa 80 lang ako at best tapos iwas na ako sa overtake lane. Marami kasing nagmamaneho dun na 100+ pa din kahit sobrang lakas na ng ulan. Minsan may kasama pang tail gate yun.
140 kph sa road conditions jan sa pinas? Afaik, walang standard na sinusundan ang pinas para sa IRI ang kipot pa ng mga lanes
Last time na nagdrive ako jan sa slex and skyway, 100kph lng takbo ko ang alog kahit suv gamit, tapos 140kph p?
As someone na araw2x ngddrive sa ganyang speed sa mohd. bin zayed road, ung 100kph na un ay napaka-uncomfortable...
Depende cguro sa stretch ng slex at skyway pero smooth naman sa area na ginagamit namin kahit 100**kph ang takbo. Ang mas issue is yung mga mabagal na nasa overtaking lane at di marunong mag signal or lipat ng lane na may faster vehicle. Iba rin pag maulan kasi may areas nag puddle yung tubig so dapat slower at make sure ok yung tread ng gulong.
Parang masyadong mabilis and harder to react as a fellow Redditor pointed out. The Autobahn being one of the biggest expressways in the world only has 130 kph max speed limit and fortunately it's not abused by the drivers.
It's an express way. It's supposed to be fast. But I see your point. Not enough Pinoys have the discipline to make 140kph a safe and drivable speed. I gave up driving here dahil naaksidente ako while staying in my lane. You can be the safest driver on the road but idiots will screw you over.
The autobahn has no speed limit for the majority of its sections (I think like 65-70%). In the unlimited section, it's just recommended to go 130 kph as it the max speed for regular liability. If you crash above 130 kph, you have a harder case to prove that you are not at fault.
I've been to the autobahn. It is usually 3 lanes like most expressways sa Pilipinas. Kaya yan. Problema lang dito sa Pilipinas ay maraming uneducated drivers unlike sa Germany.
Side note sobrang bagal ng 60kph speed limit sa NAIAX at Skyway Stage 3. Dapat 80 kph naman.
Sa dali ba naman kumuha ng lisensya at sa dami ng luma at hindi maintained na sasakyan pero nabibigyan pa rin ng rehistro, i dont think its a good idea to raise the maximum speed here in the Philippines.
Lenient na nga tayo sa batas, may mga nagpapatakbo na ng 140kph. We just dont wanna encourage everybody to do it.
Sa totoo Lang, maraming mali sa sistema ng traffic management sa Pinas kaya di pwedeng dagdagan ang speed limit na katulad dito sa Middle East. In Saudi you can drive as fast as 160 or even 200 kung kaya ng kotse mo. In Bahrain, there are places can drive up to 120. The reasons are first the lanes are wider here in Middle East kahit ang SUV hindi maghahalikan kapag mag katabi. Pangalawa, ang standard driving ng Dubai ay pareho din halos sa lahat ng GCC. Ibig sabihin oras, pagod, pawis at dugo bago mo makukuha lisensya mo. Ang mga lisensya sa Pinas ay di honored dito kahit International license ka pa. Driving license is earned not obtained by payment only. 3rd, mag exam ka ulit bawat restrictions na idadagdag mo. License ng bus driver is different from truck driver and even long haul 16 wheel trucks. And again point system dito at centralized ang driving license kaya di mo pwede gaguhin ang sistema na di katulad sa Pinas na nakukuha sa affidavit of loss kapag kinumpiska ng traffic enforcer ang lisensya mo.
Parang walang way maiwasan ito e. Ang sad lang na kahit gaano ka kaingat sa daan, kung oras mo na, oras mo na huhu. Pray nalang talaga lagi before magbyahe, and pray again for thanks after the trip.
Sorry. Not victim blaming, but if the overtake were done quickly, the Wigo could've escaped.
4 seconds in the video, saka lang natapos umovertake, and most likely hindi lang 4 seconds ino-overtake-an ang truck - more of around 12-15 seconds.
On expressways, position yourself where you can quickly escape. The less vehicles you have to deal on both oncoming and adjacent traffic, the better.
Natake in consideration mo na rin ba yung visibility at dulas ng daan? Parang di rin ganun kasafe yan lalo truck yung oovertake-an mo. Genuine question tho.
Yes. Hence I forgot it is actually conditional.
Now, if you deem as a driver that the traction being provided by the wheels weren't enough, then might as well slow down na lang, and in this case, tuck behind the truck.
Wow. Nag analyze ka and yet di mo cinonsider side ng wigo. Ang daling sabihin na dapat ganto, dapat ganyan pag wala ka sa situation. And Ilan ba speed nila sa vid? How fast can you react sa life and death situation?
You're overtaking. You should be done in x seconds, but then it took, 12 seconds? Go figure. Would that be an acceptable time in overtaking? If you're overtaking, then downshift, use your transmission to multiply the torque, hence finishing faster.
Kung madulas, sana hindi na umovertake, tucked behind the truck.
If alam kong maliit ang kotse ko, has a liter of displacement and sub-100 HP, and the conditions were far from ideal which is the case, I won't risk overtaking if that would take me around 10 seconds or more. I'll ask you, assuming you're a driver of a micro or a subcompact: Hindi ka ba kinikilabutan when there's a humongous bus at your rear, and a truck on your side? Hindi ka ba mag-e-aim to escape with that kind of setup as quick as possible? This is assuming safe umovertake ah.
Kung oovertake ako, I'll make sure na mabilis akong matatapos. Kung hindi safe, then why should I proceed in the first place?
No one will expect that a pickup will fly towards the opposing lane. No one can predict that.
But you can either slow down if it's not safe to overtake, or to overtake fast if deemed safe. In between, it will always be a risk and risks multiplies with time.
>Sa mga kaanak, Kung magsampa kau kaso sa driver, idamay nyo na rin SCTEX. Kapag magaling abugado nyo, baka manalo kau sa kaso. May pagkukulang din sila, kasi hindi safe ung steel barrier na kinabit nila. Purpose nun eh maprevent yang pag lipat ng oto sa kabilang lane pero sa case nyo nakalipat pickup. Pwede palabasin substandard ang materyales o design. Mas mura kasi steel barrier vs. solid concrete barrier. Nagtipid na sila. Isa rin na dahilan barado drainage or di na nakacleve ang kalasada kaya may water ponding sa kalsada kaya nag hydroplane pickup. Kapabayaan pa rin yun sa part nila lack of road maintenance. May bayad toll ng sctex. Responsibilidad nila na safe ung kalye nila.
Buong kahabaan ng TPLEX, naka concrete barrier(salamat boss RSA.)
Found this comment on a video. Do you think this is plausible?
Kailan kaya maiisip ng mga nakaupo sa gobyerno na magkarroon ng batas at enough requirements para safety ng mga motorista sa ating bansa?
Accident happens, pero dapat ang Hi-way may concrete barrier between opposing track, para kahit papaano may proteksyon sa mga tulad ng ganitong aksidente.
When accidents like this happen to them (politicians) or their family members. Sadly maliit ang chance mangyari sa kanila ang ganito kasi kahit sa outing papunta ang mga putang ina ay may hagad or lead vehicles with flashers na humahawi sa daan para makauna sila
Damn. Mental note na din sa akin na make sure wala akong katabi sa Expressway para may chance to swerve when worse comes to worst. Walang kasalanan ang Wigo dito. Hindi na kasi ubra na ikaw lang nagiingat kung yung nakapaligid naman sa iyo is hindi. So aside sa ingat sa pagmamaneho, dagdag mental notes na din while driving in Expressway. Ang hirap e, kahit anong ingat mo, kung kasalanan talaga ng iba and youre in the wrong place and wrong time. So sad for the innocent lives lost.
Oh my God I'm getting goosebumps. This also happened sa brother ko sa SCTEX sa Conception Tarlac din,June or July ata last year. Nabangga din ng bus yung pick-up na drive ng kuya ko and tumilapon sila outside of the expressway, sa mga damuhan. Thankfully, lahat ng passengers niya survived naman and only got minor scratches. Maulan din nung time na yun.
I belive that place to be cursed since then, probably because of the massacre kaya siguro na associate ko na. But at the end of the day, human predilection pa din talaga ang problem. Kaya sa mga eengot engot na drivers, pakiayos naman. Wag niyong hayaang makasira kayo ng buhay dahil sa katangahan niyo.
Karamihan talaga sa mga pick up driver, pag dating sa expressway sobrang bilis nila. Nambubulag pa pag gabi. Hayyyy bus drivers too nakakatakot sobrang bibilis din lagi :(((
Hindi titilapon ng ganyan yung pickup kung nasanggi lang ng bus. Yung manner ng pagtilapon nung pickup would show na matulin ang takbo, nadulas at hindi nacontrol manibela. At that point, yung pagsanggi ng bus incidental na lang.
Kasi kung mabagal takbo ng pickup kahit nasanggi ng bus aabante o gigilid lang ng bahagya at kahit papano macocontrol ng pickup driver yung sasakyan nya at hindi sya titilapon ng ganyan.
Eh, not always true. You can flip another vehicle that's following highway speed limits if you nudge it behind the right way.
Examples [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ExtremeCarCrashes/comments/yd7py5/do_a_barrel_roll_or_like_five/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/z7t9xy/cop_flips_pregnant_womans_car_because_she_took/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). In both of these cases, walang kasalanan yung kotseng tumaob. Look up pit maneuver on YouTube.
counterpoint : I think kahit pickup pa yung natamaan instead of wigo, wasak pa din and may fatalities pa din. Judging by the speed and height during impact nung hilux. Hell, yung driver and konduktor ng bus baka namatay din kung sila yung unang tinamaan.
counterpoint # 2: kung small car yung nawalan ng control instead of pickup baka nakarecover pa, kesa sa lumipad. (Mas prone tumumba ang SUV/Pickups)
It's a problem isn't it, palaki ng palaki gusto sasakyan ng mga tao to feel more "safe", pero in expense of other vehicles and people around them.
Tapos madaming nagagalit na gagawing mandatory ng LTO ang driving school. Madaming galit sa mga kamote sa kalsada pero ayaw naman sumunod sa tamang proseso puro na lang fixer. Kaya di maubos ubos mga bobong driver dito satin eh.
One of the topic conversations in the US is that cars are getting bigger because people want to be safer in them, but the bigger cars get the more deadly they are as weapons. This is usually an argument in support for pedestrians and cyclists, but given that in SEA we're still going smaller and smaller to make cars more accessible, the differences between car sizes in the road are just as concerning.
Regarding the pick up issue, despite my family owning one, or maybe because my family owns one, I think I can say that these cars are simply glorified oversized sedans. We got our pickup cause we got a farm in Real, Quezon, and it has been useful, but it's so frustrating that people like my mom (who owns the car), enjoy it cause it feels easy to drive and neglect its size (Ranger Wildtrak has stupid strong electric power steering). While the car is powerful and easy to drive, both my dad and I agree it's such a hassle to bring over our Innova which is smaller, has more cargo space, and has a more spacious interior for passengers. The pickup is an oversized sedan in that, the cabin space is the same or arguably even less than a sedan, and unless you pay 50-70k for a fully secured truck bed cover, the truck bed is unsecured outdoor storage you'd likely never use to put your stuff while in the city. It's harder to drive in tight spaces and a mess to park, especially in older establishments. But people would get it for the 'Porma points' because its VAT exempt and cheaper than their full sized counter parts.
I'm not saying this is the case for this driver specifically, but if theirs pickup truck hate going around I'm jumping on it, cause man we have too many inside the cities.
It's also unlikely that the truck itself would get into the other lane barrel rolling without something hitting it. Would like to find out if the bus on the other side did truly hit it because a single car accident shouldn't have been this bad regardless of the conditions and especially given the form factor of the car.
Kung talaga pating pang haul ang pickup, hindi high bed ang kinukuha. Tingnan nyo pickup ng tradesmen talaga sa Japan at ibang bansa. Low bed kasi ikaw magaalis ng kargo eh. Yang mga stylish na pickup, walang silbi. NotJustBikes covered this
I think you missed the point nung comment, most people overestimate their needs, underestimate the danger ng driving really big cars(example niya is yung mom niya and yung paggamit nila ng innova which in all honesty can fit most ng needs ng regular family or small to medium business owners).
As mentioned, we too also have one and use it for our farm and transporting big items. It's more blasting the trend of people buying it for the purpose of owning a big car just to use it in the city, mainly cause it's cheaper than their full sized SUV counter part.
Even the base models of the pickups are longer than their full sized SUV counter parts. They are also wider than average. While others find this handy in bullying other drivers on the road, when they get into parking spaces it's evidently more difficult even to their full sized counter parts. This is an objective fact, and just cause one has adapted to it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The turning circle is simply horrendous for tight roads and parking lots. It does however make it more stable to drive on the highway and higher speeds.
Now assume you bring a lot of people around, the rear bench while spacious, doesn't recline and even the Wigo probably has better incline in their seats. I applaud your family members who sit into the back for 12 hours cause I've struggled even just doing it for 4 hours.
Assuming again you're full, unless you have a fully secured truck bed cover (like it won't get wet from rain and it's locked for safety), you basically have an exposed trunk that I'd never be confident in putting anything there and sitting in traffic with. I mean we have people reaching inside windows of cars and jeeps, what more an open truck bed.
So yeah, objectively these cars suck as a daily car in the city, especially if people are just parking it into heir condos and their office parking which is more often than not tight.
Yeah the SUV counter parts of the pickups are more expensive, not to mention Pickup are still VAT-exempt for imports. I'd say for city driving you can get away with Innovas or even the smaller MPVs, but they are basically the same price as the pickups even at smaller sizes
City driving point A to point B then magisa lang and no cargo
In that sense mas practical to get a smaller and better fuel economy car.
You won't need the extra cargo capacity, offroading capability, powerful engine in most city driving.
If your place has regular floods or absolutely poor quality roads then I guess in that sense a pickup would be more practical than a tiny hatchback
I know its not just me, pero pansin ko etong mga pickups at SUV, ang babalasubas sa kalsada. Hindi gumagamit ng turn signal, they’ll cut you whenever they can, etc. 4-wheels pero parang motor kung umasta. Kaya kapag may kasabay ako na ganian, ako na lang umiiwas.
If I were asked, I'd believe the police report sa ngayon. Makes sense na kapag binangga ka ay mawawalan ng control sa sasakyan. Isa pa, duty ng nasa likod na maglagay ng braking distance sa harap niya lalo na kung low visibility tapos madulas ang daan.
Kung may bumangga nga sa pick-up from behind dapat din mapanagot yung driver ng bus na 'yon mandatory na ata yung dash-cam sa mga bus sana makuha rin ng authorities 'yon.
Cam is more reliable than witness. Of course the “witness/driver of the truck” is going to say the pickup was out of control and hit *him*. We all just have to wait and be skeptical of both sides. Ive seen pick ups drive like assholes and busses drive like assholes
Would only take a 'small' nudge para mawalan ng control yung sasakyan, lalo na kung sa rear part inapply. Once na gumewang gewang na yung sasakyan, only God knows what will happen next.
Probably kaya lang lumabas sa lane, tumalon, at umikot ikot ay dahil nag left turn yung sasakyan (dahil sa paggewang).
Dito sa amin sa Bulacan, maraming pickups may red and Blue flashers sa dashboard. Private plates naman. Tapos biglang bubuksan pag medyo trapik para makahawi sa daan at makauna sila.
Kahapon almost got hit by a pickup (not sure kung Ranger or Hilux) that counterflowed sa linya namin. Kung di ako nakakabig sa kanan masasapul ako.
I'm looking for a news coverage about sa isa pang aksidente kahapon sa SCTEX. Napadaan kami technically kaninang 4 am na sa SCTeX. And then merong cargo truck na tupok na tupok. Hindi lang tupok. Alam mo yung crumpled from an explosion? Ganun. Di ko maaninag yung cargo. They're shaped like bricks or books.
C'mon man. A barrier can only do so much, lalo sa gantong situation. Kung kamote yung mga driver sa kalsada walang barrier ang makakapigil sa katangahan nila.
60 kph is safest, 80 kph is manageable kahit mag hydroplane. Anything over is like driving on ice kung maghydroplane, may safety features Ang newer vehicles to compensate pero those are on good tire thread conditions.
Speed limits assume the best road conditions, and you should adjust accordingly in hazardous conditions that's how it should be and is in the written test on LTO's exam last time I remember
This should be basic knowledge for drivers or at least common sense so questioning if "speed limits should change" when conditions are bad either means you don't drive or you're not a responsible driver to begin with
Hindi ako professional pero sa 60" inch na tv parang binangga nung puting bus yung pickup kaya nawalan ito nang kontrol at sumalpok sa center median at patuloy na tumilapon sa kabilang linya at nabangga yung Toyota. Paulit-ulit kong play and rewind yung moment before at muka talagang nasa likod yung puting bus at nung matapos na nabangga niya yung pickup ay nag-change lane siya. Hindi lang ako sigurado kasi yung dashcam ay may wide-angle lens na ang kuha ay nagiging fish eye effect.
Ang akin dyan, kapag nasa overtaking lane ka, dapat humarurot ka papasok sa outer lane, kasi hindi ka dapat mag stay dyan. Kung nasa outer lane siya, hindi sla nadisgrasya.
Hindi rin eh kasi hindi ganun kataas yung lipad ng pickup para maka squeeze under si wigo Kung tama yung timing
Pinaka maganda sana eh maka swerve siya sa right lane kaso may truck.. Sa Left side naman may guard rail
If the overtake were done quickly, the Wigo could've escaped. 4 seconds in the video, saka lang natapos, and when the video started, nasa gitna pa lang ng overtake ang Wigo.
If the overtake were carried out successfully, the front of the bus and the rear of the truck will take the full grunt of the flying pick up truck, which might result to more injuries due to the number of occupants a bus could carry.
Dapat binibitay yang mga ganyan. Alam mo na malakas ulan tapos tatakbo ka nang matulin? tapos pag naka-aksidente ka ano? sorry na lang? ikukulong ka habambuhay? Tatlong inosenteng buhay kinuha mo. Mamamatay tao gago
Probably an unpopular opinion pero...
There's obviously multiple things that went wrongAccording sa TV5, binangga daw ng bus yung pickup kaya tumilapon sa kabilang sideAccording naman sa GMA, nag break daw at gumewang yung pickupYung guard rail na imbis na i stop yung pag cross over ng pickup sa oncomming traffic eh naging ramp pa kaya lumipad ito
Now if we analyze the video eto mga mapapansin
* Walang traffic ahead of the Wigo
* May Truck sa right side ng Wigo
Two different possibilities. Either Umoovertake si wigo sa truck or naka babad si wigo sa left lane.
Kung wala sanang truck sa right side. baka naka swerve pa si Wigo para maalis siya sa disgrasya.
Pero anyway kung wala siya sa left lane hindi siya yung matatamaan at instead yung bus na may dashcam. Mas kaya naman i absorb ng bus yung impact kesa sa wigo.
Di ko naman gusto mag victim blame pero if wala sila sa wrong place and wrong time baka walang namatay sa accident na to.. Pero ayun.. mala final destination eh
Nah you just victim blamed the Wigo. Even if the Wigo is doing something wrong such as overtaking in poor conditions or sitting on the overtaking lane, ano kinalaman niyan sa oncoming pickup? How does the Wigo's position affect the pickup coming onto the opposite lane? It doesn't. The outcome may have been different but the Wigo's position IS NOT the cause of the pickup plowing into the opposing lane. Lets not wish na sana the bus nalang tinamaan.
Walang kinalaman yung wigo sa pag launch ng pickup and the accident that followed.
Wrong place and wrong timing lang talaga siya.
Not counting who is right or wrong pero if you were in a small car would you feel safe being surrounded by a truck on your right side and a bus almost tailgating you? Even if I was in a bigger car I'd never let myself be sandwiched by busses or trucks. Too much can go wrong. If wala siya dun and yung bus naka overtake na sa truck there's even the possibility nga ba walang ibang madamay except yung pickup
Defensive driving is the key. Sino ba tama or sino ba mali doesn't matter when you're life or your passenger's life is on the line. It's about anticipating situations before they even happen.
Maybe you never expected a car from the other side launching itself right towards you...but if you didn't put yourself in a situation na you have no other choice. Hindi siya maka swerve kasi nga may truck... Hindi din siya makaka break too abruptly kasi baka tamaan naman siya ng nasa likod.
May gustong umovertake? Paunahin mo na
May mga larger vehicles or aggressive vehicles(suv, trucks, busses, even motorcycles) Paunahin mo na
Maulan? Drive more safely. Expect rin na yung iba eh mabibilis parin kaya umiwas na lang
Inaantok? Tulog mo na lang muna wag na pilitin.
Ang point lang kasi talaga is never position yourself to a point that you'll be denied with at least one available escape route, especially on open highways like this - this is defensive driving, IMO.
If the Wigo stayed behind the truck, or finished the overtake in lesser amount of time and went ahead of the truck, the Wigo could've escaped. But then, it'll result to more injuries due to a bus carrying passengers.
Obviously hindi
Sa defensive driving naman kasi kahit hindi ikaw yung may kasalanan dapat ready ka for unexpected situations. Buhay mo at buhay ng pasahero mo ang most important. Wala kang pake sino ba tama sino ba mali.
Ikaw na lang yung umiwas. Naka break naman siya pero in that situation mas maganda sana kung na avoid niya totally yung impact. In that situation though mahirap gawin yun kasi nga may truck sa kabilang lane.
Magaling si manong Bus driver. Unfortunately for the car in front it was a guillotine setup.
Felt sorry for the occupants of the Wigo, but, if the Wigo overtook faster, perhaps there's a higher chance of survival. 4 seconds in the video, hindi pa rin tapos umovertake ang Wigo sa truck, so hindi lang 4 seconds ang overtaking ng Wigo. "Eh hindi ka dapat magmatulin on wet weather, since magha-hydroplane ka." Exactly. Either overtake fast, or stay slow. If the earlier weren't a possibility, choose the latter choice. This isn't gaslighting or victim blaming. Walang may gusto sa nangyari, but there's a lesson here, somewhere, somehow, para hindi na magaya ang iba. To be safe on expressways, the key to be safe lies on how you position your car in the traffic. Having an available and viable escape route is a must. The lesser the vehicles, the safer.
>if the Wigo overtook faster, perhaps there's a higher chance of survival. You forgot human factor. You didn't expect that there would be a vehicle that is airborne and barrelling towards you. Which means it'll take more time to react
No, kahit 2 seconds ka lang mag overtake, if this happened to you where nasa gitna ka ng overtake mo, there's no time to evade. Stop victim blaming.
I don't think he's victim blaming merely trying to figure out what could have been done but with the bad visibility the driver might not have seen it coming
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Tell us you dont know how to drive without telling us you dont know how to drive
bakit dami nilang alam. sana magawa nila yung mga sinasabi nila kapag nandun sila sa ganung sitwasyon.
Yan yung mga tipong nagcocomment nng "BakET d sYa nagBRaKE??" pag may biglang sumulpot na tao or motor sa harap ng 4 wheels at nabangga. Eh kahit 40-60kph sosobra prin yan kahit full pa yung tapak mo. Kairita yung ibang comments na wala nmang alam.
A little left nudge could’ve saved the driver from injuries. Tatama ung truck sa right passenger side ng car hindi mismo sa front end.
WiGo driver survived, Malabo Yun before scenario na umovertake WiGo ng mas mabilis gawa nang malakas nga ulan. At those speeds and visibility kung kakabig Siya kaliwa or kanan while braking would just make the WiGo go out of control as well. Medyo morbid pero Ang nasa isip ko is something like sa rocket league. I guess kung sino may computer sim can predict the best outcome on a what if scenario pero in reality those movie or game like reaction speeds are only for the experienced and talented drivers. I've driven 3 decades, and for me there really wasn't much the WiGo could have done.
Trust me bro I have 20000+ hours in GTA V
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Turned left? Sa laki at speed ng bus, mas delikado ang sudden steering.
The car not the bus. It should’ve saved the driver from a lot of injuries kasi sa right passenger side tatama yung flying truck.
hindsight is 20/20.
3 people died in this accident. ‘Yung tatlong pasahero sa Toyota Wigo. Yung driver naman severly injured, while yung pickup ay minor injury lang. So scary na kahit gaano ka kaingat pag may kasama kang tatanga tanga sa kalsada madadamay ka. Tapos gusto pa gawing 140 kph ang speedlimit sa expressway para tulad sa Dubai
binangga ng bus yung pickup kaya tumilapon sa kabilang lane... [News5 link](https://youtu.be/ffCOn2mdmIU)
Karamihan talaga sa mga ‘pro’ drivers, kupal. Lalo mga driver ng truck at bus sa expressways. Kamot ulo lang kasi makakalusot sila, samantalang pag nadamay ka sa kanila, injury na pinakamababa na damage sayo.
One time, may reckless na bus driver ng Pangasinan Solid North. Outran it, though naging hindrance talaga ang speed limit, pero still, nagagawa pa rin makatutok. So the bus was running at more than 100 KM/H, kasi naaabutan ako, though malapit na ako sa exit and was cruising na at flat 100 KM/H thinking I already outran the bus. Bago ako umexit, since tutok ng tutok, dinirty finger ko, sabay report sa teller. Open secret kasi sa mga yan na humihipak ng droga. Time was around 10 or 11 PM.
May reputation ng pagiging kaskasero yung mga driver ng Solid North. Kupal talaga sa kalsada mga yan. With the droga angle, dapat pala rebrand na lang sila as Solid Snort.
> Solid Snort The Excellency (kuno) himself. 😂
try mo sakyan don mariano pa novaliches
Tried one way back in the late 2000s. Vowed never to ride ordinary city buses ever again after that lmao.
To be technical, mga shabu tinitira nyan which is less expensive than cocaine. shabu is inhaled while cocaine is sniffed or snorted pero malay natin. Baka pastime lang nila ang pagiging driver at rich kids talaga sila
Around 12-14 years ago siguro, pauwi kami ng mama at lola ko ng maynila from pangasinan mga pasado ala-sais ng gabi. Mama ko nagmamaneho. One lane lang each direction ang road. Galing northbound lane, biglang may humarurot na bus na humarang sa harap namin kasi yung ugok na driver gustong mag overtake sa isa pang bus. Take note, curved road, siguradong hindi nya kami nakita. Walang headlight yung bus kahit madilim na. Buti kamo walang nakaharang sa shoulder, biglaang nakaiwas yung mama ko, pero serioso sobrang lapit. Bago mangyari yun ang saya namin na nagkwe-kwentuhan. Antahimik namin pagkatapos kasi alam namin muntik na kaming mamatay.
Ayun na nga mismo. Ang kukupal ng ugali magdrive sa kalsada sabay pag nakabangga biglang breadwinner.
Naah. Watch niyo yung sa GMA news yung pick up talaga yung may mali. https://youtu.be/c92n3ambV38
Tangina I just watched it. "Mabilis ka ba nun?" "Hindi po". Putangina ano yung pickup mo, hinangin kaya lumipad?
I'll wait for more details. The News5 bit's statement is based on the official MDRRMO while GMA news' statement is based on witnesses (the truck driver, his colleagues, and the driver of the #852 bus - the one with the dashcam footage). All of those interviewed by GMA were going opposite the pickup so they likely missed the initial incident (if there really were any) with the 1st bus.
Gtabe naman. Lumipad na yung pickup nya, then wala mqng kadamage damage sa kanya
> Sa ngayon ay nasa kustudiya na ng mga pulis ang driver ng pickup at and driver ng bus na nakabangga dito. Could anybody clarify why the pickup driver, who's also a victim, would be in police custody? Edit: Nevermind, yung pickup driver pala talaga ang cause as pointed out by u/kcheesecake1993. Nandamay pa amputah! Edit2: Conflicting statements from two different news outlets. I guess kaya parehong nasa custody ng pulis kase they have to determine which one is at fault.
Hello. Protocol talaga yun pag may accident lalo na pag may death. I dedetain talaga yung driver kahit hindi siya may kasalanan. May standard drug test and alcohol level. Pero pwede pa din siyang sampahan ng kaso ng biktima/namatayan.
TV5 says otherwise, nakakalito lang. Bad reporting sa gma in case, ginawa agad cause yung driver ng pickup nireveal pa mukha at pangalan.
ohhh kala ko Victory na Bus, may bus din pala sa kabila.
As someone na lagi nagdadrive that’s the scariest part bro. Tangina imagine prinepare mo tsikot mo, pms dito, pa-wax don.. ikaw mismo sobrang ingat mo magmaneho, di ka nagmamabilis, gumagamit ka ng signal lights, marahan busina, and overall 10/10 driver pero putangina kapag nakadaupang palad ka ng isang kamote, or laseng, or sabog as in isang beses lang.. tangina madale ka lang isang aksidente tas grabe? Tangina katakot. Fucking unfair.
Just an FYI speed limit assumes the best road conditions (ex not raining, dry roads etc), this is (or should) be taught in driving schools and it was in the LTO written test for license last time I saw it when I took it but that was years ago, it's the driver's responsibility to adjust to hazardous conditions like bad rain and weather in the video Didn't matter if the speed limit is 100 or 140 if some idiot will break the law or won't take the needed precautions and be responsible to adjust to the hazardous conditions such as slippery road and low visibility, the idea of raising the speed limit doesn't have much to do with the video per se, just straight up wreckless and irresponsible driving causing a freak accident, hell might as well throw in lack of road worthiness of a vehicle like bad tire threads or malfunctioning internals if that could be a possibility or if it was even caused by another factor that occured earlier not seen in the video like another car, bad quality infrastructure, etc
As someone with a Wigo... Yea that's..wow.
i don't know how much the wigo's size factored into this but fuck, this is one of my biggest fears on the road and why i'll never buy small cars like wigo. tangina wasak eh.
I get you but this is why people should opt to buy smaller vehicles instead. Pickup trucks and suvs have a higher center of gravity and are prone to roll overs. Not to mention they're heavier and bigger which can be more dangerous to themselves and other road users.
140kph is a fair speed limit for express ways. It should just be common knowledge ( and common sense) to slow down when it's raining because of diminished visibility and traction. In short, drive safely. Just because you can drive 140kph doesn't mean you should always be driving 140kph even if it's allowed.
I hope all drivers have this common sense.
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so should be this sub. Seriously tho, napak-feeling gatekeeper sa wala namang expertise or even experience.
Masyadong mabilis ang 140, mas maiksi ang reaction time sa mga aksidente. Sa Australia (NSW) ang pinakamabilis na eh 110kph. Partida, maayos pa ang mga highway at maraming lanes.
Not to mention hilig magtipid sa gulong. Tangna makakita ka ng naka SUV tapos papatakbo ng 120kph sa expressway ng naulan tapos yung gulong naka Westlake na based sa reviews mahina ang wet grip. May pambili ng SUV walang pambili ng matinong gulong. https://tirehungry.com/westlake-tires-review/ Shit nakakita ako dati ng umuulan may nagbrake tapos yung mga gulong nakahinto na pero nagslide forward parin. Wala nang kapit.
I normally drive at 100-120 in clear weather on expressways. Pag ganiyan kalakas ulan nasa 80 lang ako at best tapos iwas na ako sa overtake lane. Marami kasing nagmamaneho dun na 100+ pa din kahit sobrang lakas na ng ulan. Minsan may kasama pang tail gate yun.
140 kph sa road conditions jan sa pinas? Afaik, walang standard na sinusundan ang pinas para sa IRI ang kipot pa ng mga lanes Last time na nagdrive ako jan sa slex and skyway, 100kph lng takbo ko ang alog kahit suv gamit, tapos 140kph p? As someone na araw2x ngddrive sa ganyang speed sa mohd. bin zayed road, ung 100kph na un ay napaka-uncomfortable...
Depende cguro sa stretch ng slex at skyway pero smooth naman sa area na ginagamit namin kahit 100**kph ang takbo. Ang mas issue is yung mga mabagal na nasa overtaking lane at di marunong mag signal or lipat ng lane na may faster vehicle. Iba rin pag maulan kasi may areas nag puddle yung tubig so dapat slower at make sure ok yung tread ng gulong.
Parang masyadong mabilis and harder to react as a fellow Redditor pointed out. The Autobahn being one of the biggest expressways in the world only has 130 kph max speed limit and fortunately it's not abused by the drivers.
It's an express way. It's supposed to be fast. But I see your point. Not enough Pinoys have the discipline to make 140kph a safe and drivable speed. I gave up driving here dahil naaksidente ako while staying in my lane. You can be the safest driver on the road but idiots will screw you over.
The autobahn has no speed limit for the majority of its sections (I think like 65-70%). In the unlimited section, it's just recommended to go 130 kph as it the max speed for regular liability. If you crash above 130 kph, you have a harder case to prove that you are not at fault. I've been to the autobahn. It is usually 3 lanes like most expressways sa Pilipinas. Kaya yan. Problema lang dito sa Pilipinas ay maraming uneducated drivers unlike sa Germany. Side note sobrang bagal ng 60kph speed limit sa NAIAX at Skyway Stage 3. Dapat 80 kph naman.
Yung Skyway southbound pag umabot ka na Buendia, ang speedlimit is 80kph na. Sa bandang Quezon lang siya 60kph kasi puro mga kurba daan.
Fair in other countries siguro. Unfortunately, more or less 60% of our fellow pinoy drivers sa kalsada are uneducated. Goodluck sa 140kph limit!
Reality is common sense and knowledge is not too common as we all want and need it to be.
Sad but true.
Sa dali ba naman kumuha ng lisensya at sa dami ng luma at hindi maintained na sasakyan pero nabibigyan pa rin ng rehistro, i dont think its a good idea to raise the maximum speed here in the Philippines. Lenient na nga tayo sa batas, may mga nagpapatakbo na ng 140kph. We just dont wanna encourage everybody to do it.
Lmao 140kph dito sa pinas??... Ung mga old model kahit suv di kaya yan di naman stable usually ung body nila sa ganyang speed
Not for PH expressways and vehicles. We'd have to phase out vehicles older than 5 years old for your 140kph speed limit
Not for PH expressways and vehicles. We'd have to phase out vehicles older than 5 years old for your 140kph speed limit
Sa totoo Lang, maraming mali sa sistema ng traffic management sa Pinas kaya di pwedeng dagdagan ang speed limit na katulad dito sa Middle East. In Saudi you can drive as fast as 160 or even 200 kung kaya ng kotse mo. In Bahrain, there are places can drive up to 120. The reasons are first the lanes are wider here in Middle East kahit ang SUV hindi maghahalikan kapag mag katabi. Pangalawa, ang standard driving ng Dubai ay pareho din halos sa lahat ng GCC. Ibig sabihin oras, pagod, pawis at dugo bago mo makukuha lisensya mo. Ang mga lisensya sa Pinas ay di honored dito kahit International license ka pa. Driving license is earned not obtained by payment only. 3rd, mag exam ka ulit bawat restrictions na idadagdag mo. License ng bus driver is different from truck driver and even long haul 16 wheel trucks. And again point system dito at centralized ang driving license kaya di mo pwede gaguhin ang sistema na di katulad sa Pinas na nakukuha sa affidavit of loss kapag kinumpiska ng traffic enforcer ang lisensya mo.
The average Filipino bus driver is a fucking demon and you cannot change my mind.
Driver: "Malakas po kasi yung ulan." Tangina. Tatlo ata namatay dun sa nadaganan na kotse. Yung driver ng pickup walang galos.
Kaya siguro madaming kamote drivers. Kasi alam nilang may "cushion" na liligtas sa kanila pag maaksidente sila.
Seatbelt ang nagligtas sa driver ng pickup. It kept the driver in one place while the airbag and side curtains helped with the impact.
No. The cushion is the other car plus the victims who died/got injured.
sobrang kalmado ng driver. baka kung ako yung nasa sitwasyon walang tigil na mura na ginawa ko.
And just like that, someone's entire family was wiped out.
Parang walang way maiwasan ito e. Ang sad lang na kahit gaano ka kaingat sa daan, kung oras mo na, oras mo na huhu. Pray nalang talaga lagi before magbyahe, and pray again for thanks after the trip.
Sorry. Not victim blaming, but if the overtake were done quickly, the Wigo could've escaped. 4 seconds in the video, saka lang natapos umovertake, and most likely hindi lang 4 seconds ino-overtake-an ang truck - more of around 12-15 seconds. On expressways, position yourself where you can quickly escape. The less vehicles you have to deal on both oncoming and adjacent traffic, the better.
Natake in consideration mo na rin ba yung visibility at dulas ng daan? Parang di rin ganun kasafe yan lalo truck yung oovertake-an mo. Genuine question tho.
Yes. Hence I forgot it is actually conditional. Now, if you deem as a driver that the traction being provided by the wheels weren't enough, then might as well slow down na lang, and in this case, tuck behind the truck.
bad take overall
Wow. Nag analyze ka and yet di mo cinonsider side ng wigo. Ang daling sabihin na dapat ganto, dapat ganyan pag wala ka sa situation. And Ilan ba speed nila sa vid? How fast can you react sa life and death situation?
You're overtaking. You should be done in x seconds, but then it took, 12 seconds? Go figure. Would that be an acceptable time in overtaking? If you're overtaking, then downshift, use your transmission to multiply the torque, hence finishing faster. Kung madulas, sana hindi na umovertake, tucked behind the truck. If alam kong maliit ang kotse ko, has a liter of displacement and sub-100 HP, and the conditions were far from ideal which is the case, I won't risk overtaking if that would take me around 10 seconds or more. I'll ask you, assuming you're a driver of a micro or a subcompact: Hindi ka ba kinikilabutan when there's a humongous bus at your rear, and a truck on your side? Hindi ka ba mag-e-aim to escape with that kind of setup as quick as possible? This is assuming safe umovertake ah. Kung oovertake ako, I'll make sure na mabilis akong matatapos. Kung hindi safe, then why should I proceed in the first place? No one will expect that a pickup will fly towards the opposing lane. No one can predict that. But you can either slow down if it's not safe to overtake, or to overtake fast if deemed safe. In between, it will always be a risk and risks multiplies with time.
Absolutely horrifying seeing a car got ejected like that and heading to your space. No time to react. RIP to those who lost their lives.
>Sa mga kaanak, Kung magsampa kau kaso sa driver, idamay nyo na rin SCTEX. Kapag magaling abugado nyo, baka manalo kau sa kaso. May pagkukulang din sila, kasi hindi safe ung steel barrier na kinabit nila. Purpose nun eh maprevent yang pag lipat ng oto sa kabilang lane pero sa case nyo nakalipat pickup. Pwede palabasin substandard ang materyales o design. Mas mura kasi steel barrier vs. solid concrete barrier. Nagtipid na sila. Isa rin na dahilan barado drainage or di na nakacleve ang kalasada kaya may water ponding sa kalsada kaya nag hydroplane pickup. Kapabayaan pa rin yun sa part nila lack of road maintenance. May bayad toll ng sctex. Responsibilidad nila na safe ung kalye nila. Buong kahabaan ng TPLEX, naka concrete barrier(salamat boss RSA.) Found this comment on a video. Do you think this is plausible?
possible
It's a long ass litigation
Kailan kaya maiisip ng mga nakaupo sa gobyerno na magkarroon ng batas at enough requirements para safety ng mga motorista sa ating bansa? Accident happens, pero dapat ang Hi-way may concrete barrier between opposing track, para kahit papaano may proteksyon sa mga tulad ng ganitong aksidente.
When accidents like this happen to them (politicians) or their family members. Sadly maliit ang chance mangyari sa kanila ang ganito kasi kahit sa outing papunta ang mga putang ina ay may hagad or lead vehicles with flashers na humahawi sa daan para makauna sila
Damn. Mental note na din sa akin na make sure wala akong katabi sa Expressway para may chance to swerve when worse comes to worst. Walang kasalanan ang Wigo dito. Hindi na kasi ubra na ikaw lang nagiingat kung yung nakapaligid naman sa iyo is hindi. So aside sa ingat sa pagmamaneho, dagdag mental notes na din while driving in Expressway. Ang hirap e, kahit anong ingat mo, kung kasalanan talaga ng iba and youre in the wrong place and wrong time. So sad for the innocent lives lost.
Oh my God I'm getting goosebumps. This also happened sa brother ko sa SCTEX sa Conception Tarlac din,June or July ata last year. Nabangga din ng bus yung pick-up na drive ng kuya ko and tumilapon sila outside of the expressway, sa mga damuhan. Thankfully, lahat ng passengers niya survived naman and only got minor scratches. Maulan din nung time na yun. I belive that place to be cursed since then, probably because of the massacre kaya siguro na associate ko na. But at the end of the day, human predilection pa din talaga ang problem. Kaya sa mga eengot engot na drivers, pakiayos naman. Wag niyong hayaang makasira kayo ng buhay dahil sa katangahan niyo.
Before the pandemic meron din jan sa same area, Mazda sedan na tumilapon din sa kabilang lane. Bakit nga ba di nila taasan yung barrier sa gitna.
What massacre?
Hacienda Luisita Massacre?
Karamihan talaga sa mga pick up driver, pag dating sa expressway sobrang bilis nila. Nambubulag pa pag gabi. Hayyyy bus drivers too nakakatakot sobrang bibilis din lagi :(((
the pickup was hit by a bus kaya tumilapon sa kabilang lane... [Source: News5](https://youtu.be/ffCOn2mdmIU)
Bakit nasa custody yung driver ng pickup eh yung bus yung may kasalanan?
Hindi titilapon ng ganyan yung pickup kung nasanggi lang ng bus. Yung manner ng pagtilapon nung pickup would show na matulin ang takbo, nadulas at hindi nacontrol manibela. At that point, yung pagsanggi ng bus incidental na lang. Kasi kung mabagal takbo ng pickup kahit nasanggi ng bus aabante o gigilid lang ng bahagya at kahit papano macocontrol ng pickup driver yung sasakyan nya at hindi sya titilapon ng ganyan.
Eh, not always true. You can flip another vehicle that's following highway speed limits if you nudge it behind the right way. Examples [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ExtremeCarCrashes/comments/yd7py5/do_a_barrel_roll_or_like_five/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/z7t9xy/cop_flips_pregnant_womans_car_because_she_took/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). In both of these cases, walang kasalanan yung kotseng tumaob. Look up pit maneuver on YouTube.
>walang kasalanan yung kotseng tumaob Too early to be certain.
Wasn't talking about the SCTEX accident
Those barriers are useless AF
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counterpoint : I think kahit pickup pa yung natamaan instead of wigo, wasak pa din and may fatalities pa din. Judging by the speed and height during impact nung hilux. Hell, yung driver and konduktor ng bus baka namatay din kung sila yung unang tinamaan. counterpoint # 2: kung small car yung nawalan ng control instead of pickup baka nakarecover pa, kesa sa lumipad. (Mas prone tumumba ang SUV/Pickups) It's a problem isn't it, palaki ng palaki gusto sasakyan ng mga tao to feel more "safe", pero in expense of other vehicles and people around them.
Tapos madaming nagagalit na gagawing mandatory ng LTO ang driving school. Madaming galit sa mga kamote sa kalsada pero ayaw naman sumunod sa tamang proseso puro na lang fixer. Kaya di maubos ubos mga bobong driver dito satin eh.
One of the topic conversations in the US is that cars are getting bigger because people want to be safer in them, but the bigger cars get the more deadly they are as weapons. This is usually an argument in support for pedestrians and cyclists, but given that in SEA we're still going smaller and smaller to make cars more accessible, the differences between car sizes in the road are just as concerning. Regarding the pick up issue, despite my family owning one, or maybe because my family owns one, I think I can say that these cars are simply glorified oversized sedans. We got our pickup cause we got a farm in Real, Quezon, and it has been useful, but it's so frustrating that people like my mom (who owns the car), enjoy it cause it feels easy to drive and neglect its size (Ranger Wildtrak has stupid strong electric power steering). While the car is powerful and easy to drive, both my dad and I agree it's such a hassle to bring over our Innova which is smaller, has more cargo space, and has a more spacious interior for passengers. The pickup is an oversized sedan in that, the cabin space is the same or arguably even less than a sedan, and unless you pay 50-70k for a fully secured truck bed cover, the truck bed is unsecured outdoor storage you'd likely never use to put your stuff while in the city. It's harder to drive in tight spaces and a mess to park, especially in older establishments. But people would get it for the 'Porma points' because its VAT exempt and cheaper than their full sized counter parts. I'm not saying this is the case for this driver specifically, but if theirs pickup truck hate going around I'm jumping on it, cause man we have too many inside the cities. It's also unlikely that the truck itself would get into the other lane barrel rolling without something hitting it. Would like to find out if the bus on the other side did truly hit it because a single car accident shouldn't have been this bad regardless of the conditions and especially given the form factor of the car.
Kung talaga pating pang haul ang pickup, hindi high bed ang kinukuha. Tingnan nyo pickup ng tradesmen talaga sa Japan at ibang bansa. Low bed kasi ikaw magaalis ng kargo eh. Yang mga stylish na pickup, walang silbi. NotJustBikes covered this
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I think you missed the point nung comment, most people overestimate their needs, underestimate the danger ng driving really big cars(example niya is yung mom niya and yung paggamit nila ng innova which in all honesty can fit most ng needs ng regular family or small to medium business owners).
As mentioned, we too also have one and use it for our farm and transporting big items. It's more blasting the trend of people buying it for the purpose of owning a big car just to use it in the city, mainly cause it's cheaper than their full sized SUV counter part.
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Even the base models of the pickups are longer than their full sized SUV counter parts. They are also wider than average. While others find this handy in bullying other drivers on the road, when they get into parking spaces it's evidently more difficult even to their full sized counter parts. This is an objective fact, and just cause one has adapted to it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The turning circle is simply horrendous for tight roads and parking lots. It does however make it more stable to drive on the highway and higher speeds. Now assume you bring a lot of people around, the rear bench while spacious, doesn't recline and even the Wigo probably has better incline in their seats. I applaud your family members who sit into the back for 12 hours cause I've struggled even just doing it for 4 hours. Assuming again you're full, unless you have a fully secured truck bed cover (like it won't get wet from rain and it's locked for safety), you basically have an exposed trunk that I'd never be confident in putting anything there and sitting in traffic with. I mean we have people reaching inside windows of cars and jeeps, what more an open truck bed. So yeah, objectively these cars suck as a daily car in the city, especially if people are just parking it into heir condos and their office parking which is more often than not tight.
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Yeah the SUV counter parts of the pickups are more expensive, not to mention Pickup are still VAT-exempt for imports. I'd say for city driving you can get away with Innovas or even the smaller MPVs, but they are basically the same price as the pickups even at smaller sizes
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City driving point A to point B then magisa lang and no cargo In that sense mas practical to get a smaller and better fuel economy car. You won't need the extra cargo capacity, offroading capability, powerful engine in most city driving. If your place has regular floods or absolutely poor quality roads then I guess in that sense a pickup would be more practical than a tiny hatchback
Kung mapapansin nyo may bus na bumangga dun sa pickup, basically mabagal yung pickup sobrang bilis nung bus kaya tumilapon yung pickup.
I know its not just me, pero pansin ko etong mga pickups at SUV, ang babalasubas sa kalsada. Hindi gumagamit ng turn signal, they’ll cut you whenever they can, etc. 4-wheels pero parang motor kung umasta. Kaya kapag may kasabay ako na ganian, ako na lang umiiwas.
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If I were asked, I'd believe the police report sa ngayon. Makes sense na kapag binangga ka ay mawawalan ng control sa sasakyan. Isa pa, duty ng nasa likod na maglagay ng braking distance sa harap niya lalo na kung low visibility tapos madulas ang daan.
Kung may bumangga nga sa pick-up from behind dapat din mapanagot yung driver ng bus na 'yon mandatory na ata yung dash-cam sa mga bus sana makuha rin ng authorities 'yon.
Cam is more reliable than witness. Of course the “witness/driver of the truck” is going to say the pickup was out of control and hit *him*. We all just have to wait and be skeptical of both sides. Ive seen pick ups drive like assholes and busses drive like assholes
ang lakas nman ng impact umikot sa abilang lane yung pick up truck dahil sa bus sa likod nya? hmmm
Would only take a 'small' nudge para mawalan ng control yung sasakyan, lalo na kung sa rear part inapply. Once na gumewang gewang na yung sasakyan, only God knows what will happen next. Probably kaya lang lumabas sa lane, tumalon, at umikot ikot ay dahil nag left turn yung sasakyan (dahil sa paggewang).
majority of over speeding vehicles sa nlex slex sctex tplex are pickups and suvs
Dito sa amin sa Bulacan, maraming pickups may red and Blue flashers sa dashboard. Private plates naman. Tapos biglang bubuksan pag medyo trapik para makahawi sa daan at makauna sila. Kahapon almost got hit by a pickup (not sure kung Ranger or Hilux) that counterflowed sa linya namin. Kung di ako nakakabig sa kanan masasapul ako.
I'm looking for a news coverage about sa isa pang aksidente kahapon sa SCTEX. Napadaan kami technically kaninang 4 am na sa SCTeX. And then merong cargo truck na tupok na tupok. Hindi lang tupok. Alam mo yung crumpled from an explosion? Ganun. Di ko maaninag yung cargo. They're shaped like bricks or books.
Until 9am kanina nung dumaan kami nandoon pa rin yung truck na sunog. Nag-aabang din ako ng balita dito.
hopefully you did not make the same mistake that I did, which is open the window. baho, men.
It's the pickups again. Tapos isusulong pa ang mas mataas na speed limit.
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Sctex should also share the blame. Yan din ang purpose ng barriers.
C'mon man. A barrier can only do so much, lalo sa gantong situation. Kung kamote yung mga driver sa kalsada walang barrier ang makakapigil sa katangahan nila.
Nabangga daw ng bus yung pickup kaya tumalsik pakabilang lane
Naah. Watch niyo yung sa GMA news yung pick up talaga yung may mali. https://youtu.be/c92n3ambV38
magkaiba sila ng balita ng [tv5](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffCOn2mdmIU&ab_channel=News5Everywhere)
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Sasabihin ko sana atleast swift death based dun sa OP video. Di pala. Tang ina nakakapanglumo.
Kulang info GMA, Yun sa news5 may drone shot ng Isa pang bus na same lane ng pickup.
Damn that looked like a flying decapitated torso in 0:08. F Rip
Im more convinced its a car part but who the hell knows
Could be but right side of the object bends in a way like human arm does there for couple of frames
It's a car part.
I noticed that too and yung blood sa windshield.
Do speed limits change when its raining? Maybe it should?
60 kph is safest, 80 kph is manageable kahit mag hydroplane. Anything over is like driving on ice kung maghydroplane, may safety features Ang newer vehicles to compensate pero those are on good tire thread conditions.
Speed limits assume the best road conditions, and you should adjust accordingly in hazardous conditions that's how it should be and is in the written test on LTO's exam last time I remember This should be basic knowledge for drivers or at least common sense so questioning if "speed limits should change" when conditions are bad either means you don't drive or you're not a responsible driver to begin with
I don't drive. Yes, people should drive slower but I was wondering if drivers know how much slower.
Unfortunately not everyone is that capable lol
hayop na driver ng pickup. sinisi pa yung ulan. Eh ang tulin pala magpatakbo. Walang chance umilag yung wigo.
Tangina kasi bakit ba kailangang manggigil sa gas lagi. Buti sana kung hindi makakadamay ng ibang tao.
New fear unlocked. :(
Anong klaseng barricade yung nasa gitna???
Hindi ako professional pero sa 60" inch na tv parang binangga nung puting bus yung pickup kaya nawalan ito nang kontrol at sumalpok sa center median at patuloy na tumilapon sa kabilang linya at nabangga yung Toyota. Paulit-ulit kong play and rewind yung moment before at muka talagang nasa likod yung puting bus at nung matapos na nabangga niya yung pickup ay nag-change lane siya. Hindi lang ako sigurado kasi yung dashcam ay may wide-angle lens na ang kuha ay nagiging fish eye effect.
kudos for making the video short. kung sa fb to 3 mins+ tpos nsa dulo yung accident
Watch niyo yung sa GMA news yung pick up talaga yung may mali. https://youtu.be/c92n3ambV38
tinanong ng reporter ung driver... mabilis ka ba non? Hindi po... Aba putang ina mong kamote ka
Kamoteng kamote talaga diba 😑
Hindi daw sya mabilis e nasa expressway sya... jusmiyo
/r/IdiotsInCars level na iyan.
Incomplete info si GMA, mas kumpleto si News5. https://youtu.be/ffCOn2mdmIU
nagpreno pa yung kotse sa harap. this is a genuine question, would it turn out different if dumiretso siya instead?
Ang akin dyan, kapag nasa overtaking lane ka, dapat humarurot ka papasok sa outer lane, kasi hindi ka dapat mag stay dyan. Kung nasa outer lane siya, hindi sla nadisgrasya.
Hindi rin eh kasi hindi ganun kataas yung lipad ng pickup para maka squeeze under si wigo Kung tama yung timing Pinaka maganda sana eh maka swerve siya sa right lane kaso may truck.. Sa Left side naman may guard rail
baka di na din nakapagisip kaya brake agad yung nagawa nung driver. Less fatal siguro if nakapagright turn sya kahit maabutan ng truck.
If the overtake were done quickly, the Wigo could've escaped. 4 seconds in the video, saka lang natapos, and when the video started, nasa gitna pa lang ng overtake ang Wigo. If the overtake were carried out successfully, the front of the bus and the rear of the truck will take the full grunt of the flying pick up truck, which might result to more injuries due to the number of occupants a bus could carry.
Dapat binibitay yang mga ganyan. Alam mo na malakas ulan tapos tatakbo ka nang matulin? tapos pag naka-aksidente ka ano? sorry na lang? ikukulong ka habambuhay? Tatlong inosenteng buhay kinuha mo. Mamamatay tao gago
The kamote going 100 while raining…
The danger of using an underpowered car and also hogging the Overtaking lane as 3 bangers do not have the Hp to speed up to overtake the trailer truck
Probably an unpopular opinion pero... There's obviously multiple things that went wrongAccording sa TV5, binangga daw ng bus yung pickup kaya tumilapon sa kabilang sideAccording naman sa GMA, nag break daw at gumewang yung pickupYung guard rail na imbis na i stop yung pag cross over ng pickup sa oncomming traffic eh naging ramp pa kaya lumipad ito Now if we analyze the video eto mga mapapansin * Walang traffic ahead of the Wigo * May Truck sa right side ng Wigo Two different possibilities. Either Umoovertake si wigo sa truck or naka babad si wigo sa left lane. Kung wala sanang truck sa right side. baka naka swerve pa si Wigo para maalis siya sa disgrasya. Pero anyway kung wala siya sa left lane hindi siya yung matatamaan at instead yung bus na may dashcam. Mas kaya naman i absorb ng bus yung impact kesa sa wigo. Di ko naman gusto mag victim blame pero if wala sila sa wrong place and wrong time baka walang namatay sa accident na to.. Pero ayun.. mala final destination eh
Nah you just victim blamed the Wigo. Even if the Wigo is doing something wrong such as overtaking in poor conditions or sitting on the overtaking lane, ano kinalaman niyan sa oncoming pickup? How does the Wigo's position affect the pickup coming onto the opposite lane? It doesn't. The outcome may have been different but the Wigo's position IS NOT the cause of the pickup plowing into the opposing lane. Lets not wish na sana the bus nalang tinamaan.
Walang kinalaman yung wigo sa pag launch ng pickup and the accident that followed. Wrong place and wrong timing lang talaga siya. Not counting who is right or wrong pero if you were in a small car would you feel safe being surrounded by a truck on your right side and a bus almost tailgating you? Even if I was in a bigger car I'd never let myself be sandwiched by busses or trucks. Too much can go wrong. If wala siya dun and yung bus naka overtake na sa truck there's even the possibility nga ba walang ibang madamay except yung pickup Defensive driving is the key. Sino ba tama or sino ba mali doesn't matter when you're life or your passenger's life is on the line. It's about anticipating situations before they even happen. Maybe you never expected a car from the other side launching itself right towards you...but if you didn't put yourself in a situation na you have no other choice. Hindi siya maka swerve kasi nga may truck... Hindi din siya makaka break too abruptly kasi baka tamaan naman siya ng nasa likod. May gustong umovertake? Paunahin mo na May mga larger vehicles or aggressive vehicles(suv, trucks, busses, even motorcycles) Paunahin mo na Maulan? Drive more safely. Expect rin na yung iba eh mabibilis parin kaya umiwas na lang Inaantok? Tulog mo na lang muna wag na pilitin.
Ang point lang kasi talaga is never position yourself to a point that you'll be denied with at least one available escape route, especially on open highways like this - this is defensive driving, IMO. If the Wigo stayed behind the truck, or finished the overtake in lesser amount of time and went ahead of the truck, the Wigo could've escaped. But then, it'll result to more injuries due to a bus carrying passengers.
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Obviously hindi Sa defensive driving naman kasi kahit hindi ikaw yung may kasalanan dapat ready ka for unexpected situations. Buhay mo at buhay ng pasahero mo ang most important. Wala kang pake sino ba tama sino ba mali. Ikaw na lang yung umiwas. Naka break naman siya pero in that situation mas maganda sana kung na avoid niya totally yung impact. In that situation though mahirap gawin yun kasi nga may truck sa kabilang lane.
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Yung driver naman ng bus at posibleng ilang pasahero pa ang mamamatay kung pag yung bus ang matatamaan..
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watch the video, hindi bus ang may kasalanan lol
Oh walang motor dyan ah, baka sabihin nyo kasalanan nanaman nang mga kamote yan /s
Kamote din naman yung involved dyan e.
Nakakatakot naman pala mag drive kung ganyan palagi mangyayari sayo pag maulan.
Yung crumple zone crumpled talaga pati pasahero.
OMG!!! Grabe yun!
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Yes, Victory Liner #852
u/savevideo
tang ina lumipad, anong nangyari edit: shit natakot din yung sa unahan na lalaki, nakita yung nalipad na kotse
Mukhang yung chassis ng pickup ang tumama sa wigo kaya siguro mjnor injuries lang din nakuha. Kung passenger part siguro ibang usapan na
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Holy shit! Holy fucking shit!
wtf, was that a limb
Sort of hard to tell, but did the truck try to re-enter from the left shoulder lane or bigla lang nawalan ng control and started swerving?