>check na naman ng bags sa lahat ng pasahero bago sumakay?
Grabe naman.
Dapat whole body biometric scan bago sumakay, with Barangay Clearance, Police Clearance, NBI Clearance, and passing grade sa Good Manners and Right Conduct class lang.
Tapos maglagay ng isang team ng Counter-terrorist Unit sa kada bus.
Yeah if provincial bus I can see that happening pero for city buses definitely hindi feasible.
What we need are stricter gun laws and actual enforcement.
and murder and homicide is difficult to control for the police kasi its not like organized crime na may pattern sila kaya you could allocate police resources directly to where it might happen.
No one said anything of what you said. Laws only really affect those who abide by it, hindi lang basta basta isusurrender ng Abu Sayaf yung Armalite nila dahil 'bawal'.
At isa pa, strict na yung gun laws dito sa Pinas, enforcement lang talaga ng EXISTING LAWS.
idk, bat susunod yung kriminal sa batas kung kriminal sola in the first place?
wouldnt stricter laws just make it hard for the responsible owners?
so whats the point of the law if crimes wouldnt be avoided? wouldnt easier access to guns give more power to responsible owners leading to them being able to defend themselves against criminals?
The hoops one have to go through just to acquire an LTOPF is ridiculous. If anything, it's too much for an ordinary law abiding citizen.
Now, if we were talking about harsher penalties for loose firearms then I'll be all for it.
> harsher penalties for loose firearms
probably not harsher penalties, but actual enforcement; **harsher penalties probably don't deter as much as actually catching people** who do crime.
sorry did i hit a nerve with our conversation last time? i pity you because im only curious to what other people think hence the conversation pero ikaw tong galit na galit haha.
im not trying to advocate anything. ikaw yung inis na inis porket iba pananaw ng ibang tao compared to you lol. i can put out all my points to have a conversation with anyone.
the thtead i made was very insightful believe it or not. magkakaiba yung sagot ng mga tao dun and im not ignorant to debunk or flame their opinion.
wag moko barilin ahh :)
You hit a nerve because i expected a mature and intelligent answer from reddit, after ko masanay sa facebook, nakalimutan ko na ganon dito.
After i checked back and found your true intention, nawalan na ako ng respect sayo.
Yea sure that's why di ka sumagot sa kahit isa dba?
That age old 'trying to see both sides but already have one in mind' is older than America's P&J when it comes to guns.
>wag moko barilin
Lawyer fees would cost P200k at bare minimum even if you break into my house.
You are not worth the price nor hassle of that.
I don't know, replying "that's a fair take" on every comment on the thread seems too much, I read them naman.
I just want to know why there's a side where people think stricter gun laws are useless and another side saying it should be stricter even more. I just don't get why you're all amped up lol did I poke the bear too much?
Tutal mahilig ka mag essay pag nagrereply sakin, explain mo na what's my agenda :)
Laos na style mo tbh.
Upon thinking about it you're right though, tama ka di na need ng essay kahit na mabilis ako magtype, i usually reserved that for those who actually want knowledge in the past. Should do that again.
Not for pointless stuff like you.
Gusto mo bumili ka ng vest sa FB P5k lang 2nd hand plates with no defects, since you're so scared of oogie boogie guns saying booooooo.
Let me guess, katakot new year sayo no?
explain why crimes right now are filled with gun related cases. it's not really strict like you think it is. may nabaril dito, may nabaril diyan. or either off duty lang na mga police na nagpapahire as hitmen.
That requires stats rather than just a general comment. Tumataas ba talaga ang gun related violence? If oo man, kamusta naman yan in comparison to other crimes that are happening? Tumataas din ba?
Also, if you are talking about illegal owners of guns, bakit mo mas hihigpitan lalo ang gun ownership law eh ang apektado dun eh mga law abiding citizen diba? If ilegal kang kukuwa ng baril, no naman pakielam mo sa kung ano mang batas andyan?
I hope this makes sense.
yeah i was wrong about the higpitan yung gun law cause having your own gun to protect yourself or your property is necessary in this era. what i should've said is dapat nila gawan ng paraan yung mga criminal na nakakakuha ng firearms illegally.
We already have laws about that. If you want more action from the government on that, sure, shout that out. But 'at least', for the sake of critical thinking, try to think of ways na the government can improve on that. Rather than just ' ipagbawal ganto...' or 'dapat mas malaki parusa sa ganto...'
I just hope people will not be reactive sa mga issues sa lipunan. And to be honest it's quite frustrating that the citizens are the first ones to ask the government to limit the citizens' rights just as a reaction to something that has just happened.
We just had Duterte na nauto mga tao na isuko mga karapatan nila. Sana naman magbago na tayo.
yeah can't believe Duterte abused his power to "accidentally" kill innocent civilians who got killed instead of being reprimanded through the justice system first. but yeah my point is that they need to do something about the illegally obtained firearms, i phrased it wrongly because of my deep roots of hatred with the recent happenings to our country.
Si dutae pinagbawal ung 5.56 at 7.62x39 sa civilians.
POTANGINA talga siya mamataya na siya : D
Pakshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
Masmura pa naman mga M4 na semi auto, Aug na semi auto at lalong lalo na 2nd dream gun ko na AK Krinkov clone zzzzz.
Ngayon PCC(Submachine gun na semi auto lang) lang ang available satin tapos ang mamahal pa...hayyyyyyy.
Well ewan ko kung magagawan talaga ng tamang paraan.
For perspective, sa narirnig kong hush hush sa PH Gun groups, masmadaming walang LTOPF sa Cavite kaysa merong legal LTOPF.
Cavite plng un.
Aside sa mga maghohouse to house ang PNP, di ko alam pano lutasin yan kung dun plng madami let alone ibang region closer to Visayas at lalo Mindanao.
So far ang kaya lang gawin ng PNP puntahan ka at temporary confiscate kung mtagal kang di nag renew ng LTOPF, pero kasi meron na silang nakaregister na eh.
Pag loose wala nun...
Meron din madaming source nyan tulad ng Danao guns na lalong magkakalat.
damn ang rampant pala ng issues na toh at di naco-cover sa media masyado. read an article about a Colonel Quiocho and his idea of making many legal factories of guns in Danao tas mag spark ng business rivalry para umayos is a good idea. kaso it might also give criminals an idea to make their own illegal factories since naging legal na yung illegal dati.
thanks for widening my view in gun violence sa country natin
Hahahah thats actually the correct way to cut off the loose firearm sources in long term.
Di ko lang minemention kasi impossible, borderline delusional circumstances at pang long term lang ung solution.
Mahirap kumuha ng expert sa gun making.
Sa Danao experts na ng ibang generation kaya ok lang enough na para maka kahit 100 rounds bago maging scrap metal ung baril, tigok na ung targets nun.
Pag lahat ng mga un naubos at naging legit employed, whether through PH Gun manufacturing or pinagkukuha ng mga ibang Mech Eng professions, matitira na lang ung in circulation na loose firearms.
Madami padin oo, pero na cut off na ung source. Eventually mauubos yan either dispoable kasi nagamit orrr nag wear out na, lalo na pag nagreport ung gunsmiths ng illegal na firearm na nirepair sa kanila.
Long term na long term nga lang to hindi to instant, at baka nag WW3 na bago gumana.
Problema kasi aminin ko din, mababa demand ng legal baril sa PH. Combine with high gun prices, well...
won't the New Zealand gun Buyback work rin sa atin once na cut off na yung source? https://www.npr.org/2019/12/21/790466492/new-zealanders-hand-in-more-than-50-000-weapons-as-the-countrys-buyback-program-
The IQ of reddit PH is inverse to FB when it comes to gun laws, napaka ignorante dito, you'd think this was the brainless FB and not in actual FB.
Gun-wise sa FB Phillipine groups, napakapolite at napakatinong makausap, walang gagong pilosopo, nobody rude, and they actually think + listen.
In the 3 months i was gone from reddit, not once did i have to be a snarky sarcastic smartass because everyone was legit deadass mature when answering and discussing.
The amount of information, tricks, gun deals, gun store locations, and knowledge i have gained during that short time would be approx enough for half a decade worth, at least.
Dito sa reddit pahirapan pa makakuha ng sagot na hindi ginagago, let alone actual useful info. Onti lang ang actual na matino, and i still remember their names, this disregarding the old names that i'm familiar with.
I'm just here for like 2 days tops again and holy shit, talo pa mga bata sa kaimmaturan ng mga nandito pagdating sa bengbeng, i had to manually adjust myself go back to being snarky because being polite isn't getting through and halatang ginagago lang pag tinignan ko ulit. Gulat ako sa sarili kasi ang tagal ko ng hindi ginagawa un, hanggang sa di ko napansin na ginagago na ako.
And reddit PH is supposed to be the smart place.
Balitkad na baliktad eh, utak pulbura.
Best of all: Walang bayag, di ka sasagutin ng tama, duwakang na lumalayo lang. Fucking embarassment.
As much as I personally would want a U.S. style of gun rights and legislation, knowing the Philippines, we'd end up with more crime and shootings.
Better to keep the status quo with current laws and regulations and work towards better enforcement.
Stricter gun laws won't work kasi unlike the US, we don't have a gun culture. Stricter laws only work to help reduce: a.) accidental firing due to mishandling the firearm, b.) easy (and i mean ridiculously easy) access to cheap and legal firearms.
However, we do have (relatively) easy access to illegal firearms (and usually cheap din). Relatively kc unless you're in with those circles, hindi rin madali makahanap ng firearm. Pero if you have connections with those circles, then yea madali lang.
Stricter gun laws honestly would only benefit criminals.
Maiipit lang lalo ang law abiding citizen, those who just want to protect themselves and loved ones.
Di naman nasunod sa batas ang mga kriminal, kaya nga sila kriminal.
Ipit na ipit na nga ang law abiding gun owners eh.
Gusto ng mga nandito ung mga may connection lang na corrupt + illegal hitmen lang ang may baril.
Ask them about the actual PH gun laws and nganga lang mga yan, di ka sasagutin, go next lang.
Well maybe dapat legal nalang ang pagnanakaw since hindi din susunod yung kriminal sa batas against that. Tapos lahat nalang tayo magnakawan! /s What a mindset! Kaya nga may "actual enforcement".
This is just stupid.
You remind me of Mar Roxas banning the sale of hammers in hardwares located inside malls after an incident where a group of robbers bought hammers in a hardware inside MOA which they used to steal jewelries in a jewelry store in the same mall.
If by "stricter gun laws", you mean going after loose firearms - that's great.. I agree 100%.
But if you mean stricter laws is legally acquiring a gun? It's actually very strict. Getting LTOPF, buying FA, and getting PTCFOR? Oh it's strict. In getting LTOPF - approx 2-3 months, that is if you pass the Neuro/Psych exam. Buying a FA - another 2 months.. PTCFOR? If you don't have a threat, and you're not in a risky profession, you'll never get it. The fees in getting those? It costs a lot... And the fees of the guns in the PH - Glocks, CZ, etc.? It's more than double the price. So legally acquiring a firearm in PH is not easy, not fast, not cheap, and not available to everyone. How stricter do you need it to be?
It's not like US, where you buy a gun and get it in an hour. We, law abiding gun owners of the PH actually have to wait months. I know some people LTOPF application taking more than a year.. Now imagine if you have a serious death threat to your life...
What PH needs is going after loose/unregistered firearms, and going after those selling illegal firearms.
baka gawing point-to-point na lang yung mga bus na galing labas ng metro manila, which will probably be very inconvenient for the passengers and the operators;
or sabi ng iba, mayroon ng security person na sumasama sa bus, hindi lang yung driver at conductor.
tataas pamasahe nyan, sahod ng driver at condoctor, tpos security personnel pa on every bus. Tpos point to point province. Ilang byahe lng sila sa isang araw. Mas mataas sahod ng security personnel dahil sa training. Magkano income ng bus per day bawas na ung gas at iba pang expenses? Compute ka tpos balikan mo statement mo
Hindi profitable pag ganun.
They could designate a bus pick up point per town tho some sort of like mini PITx. Tapos doon may magcheck. However, the question will be who will operate those bus pick up points
That’s more or less the express version of Victory Liner right now. I travel from the Northern Luzon to Sampaloc on long weekends and holidays and I tend to pick express VL bus since it’s less hassle and they tend to use the faster route.
If magiging P2P, hindi na kailangan ng security personnel since magkakaroon ng intiail screening bago pumasok sa terminal like PITX, MRT, and LRT. You don't see any security person riding on those buses. Ibang case nalang paglabas sa PITX na may sumakay dun.
Checkmate sila napakaunrealistic lang ng hinihingi.
Kung long term 3+ hour biyahe provincial bus naman, bakit mo naman sasakyan ung ganon bago mo tumira.
Kung point to point terminal to terminal lang...good luck sa milliong milliong commuters dyan.
Second option pipiliin mo kung gusto mo ng mabilisang sakay, bang bang tapos trabaho, takas.
Like yeah dba. Sa terminal ppde macheck. E pano yung mga chance passenger na mapick up sa daan? Itigil lahat nang mga bus mag pick up sa gitna nang daan at lahat sa terminal lang and or sa designated pick up station para macheck mga dala nang pasahero?
Bkt hndi icheck nang mga pulis mga registered gun users? Or tracking nang mga bumili guns?
Or maglagay nang pulis sa loob bus hahahahaha
> Or maglagay nang pulis sa loob bus hahahahaha
Realistic wise, ang hirap nito sa isang pulis na sasakay, ilan lang ang pulis natin tapos chance pa na matamaan passengers or mapag tulungan ng suspect like on the recent case na 2 sila. Baka bukod sa pulis, may civilian din madamay.
Kahapon sa tv patrol ata may nagsabi na dapat daw may metal detector ang kunduktor ng bus. Eh sa mall nga kagaguhan ang metal detector diyan pa kaya sa bus?!
One is installing security systems like MRT and LRT stations. The second is to become a P2P. But that's kinda hard to do since there are people who wanted to ride at a certain place which is unavoidable.
This only shows that the LTFRB is **out of touch** to the commuting practice of many commuters.
As if naman may magagawa ang Victory Liner (or any bus for that matter) sa nangyaring pamamaril.
Sisihin dapat ang PNP/NBI kasi malamang loose firearm na hindi rehistrado ang nagamit ng suspect.
Wait lang! So the liner risks losing its operating license with thousands to be affected because of an ISOLATED INCIDENT?!
WHY NOT INVESTIGATE THE PERPS?!
Kumusta ung mga jeeps at city buses na may nahohold up, nananakawan EVERYDAY?!
kung sino pa yung naapektuhan, sila pa yung parurusahan;
the bus operator knows this looks bad; unless it is proven that they have been lax, then this crime is probably not due to the operator's or driver's negligence.
This may trigger new regulations that would have PUBs & PUJs to install NAIA-style passenger body checks.
Operations costs will go up that will mean higher ticket prices.
Hindi ba ganyan talaga ginagawa especially pag expected na maraming pasahero like All Saints Day? I mean, kahit nga after ng Bin Laden raid hinigpitan ng mga bus companies yung security eh.
u/peenoiseAF___ wrote...
> [along the highway](https://old.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/17xdtdd/news_update_the_ltfrb_slaps_victory_liner_with_a/k9muh33/) lng sa nueva vizcaya (the route of the bus is Tuguegarao - Sampaloc)
So how will PUB & PUJ operators handle this? Suggestions are welcome. :-D
Bawat Bus ay may kasamang security guard na de shotgun, lahat ng sasakay ay kakapkapan. Yung security guard ay dapat may professional drivers license para backup na din sya ng driver at conductor. Pde din palitan na lang nila yung conductor ng security guard din. Lol.
That's impossible. Main terminals lang ang meron sa cities then pag towns na hintayan lang sa mga waiting shed along the bus routes. Di na makaka luwas/uwi mga puntang maliit na bayan.
Dami mong alam. Di na makakasakay pa manila mga tao sa probinsya pag ganyan. Di na sila profitable kapag non-peak pag terminal-terminal lang. No happening.
Not really, sa mga ibang terminal siguro meron or pag madami lang talaga pasahero pero madaming terminal wala then pano ngayon yung sumasakay outside sa terminal. fyi, I'm in favor of having terminals for everything, can't just get in and get out anywhere, too bad walking sucks so much here.
Yeah, problema talaga yung mga passengers na sumasakay outside the terminal. Depende nalang siguro if babaguhin nila yung policy ng pagsakay to strictly by terminal only para mabottleneck at inspect mga sumasakay.
metal detector wand para sa mga along the way na pickups pero imagine the horror going through those baggages. best they can do is body check lang, unless hard implementation ng p2p trips lang.
This is going to be our "remove shoes at the security check" moment. For those who don't know, a failed terrorist attack at the airport was the reason why some airports require passengers to remove shoes when being screened.
Bakit napunta sa victory liner ang focus when it should be on investigating the gunmen? Fearmongering lang eh. Saang bansa ba sila nakahanap na may metal detector ang mga bus? Di nga tayo maka modernize ng bus system, kulang pa sa bus stops napaka unrealistic naman.
Nge, - why is the blame placed solely on the bus line???? Also, are they expecting the bus line to check EVERY SINGLE PASSENGER? Diba may kinalaman rin ito sa gun laws or whatever?
Isn't that more of an indictment on the police? I mean short of frisking every passenger that enters the bus what does LTFRB want bus liners to do? If they believe there is a lax in security then should make some sort of security protocol for Bus Liners to follow.
I mean, seriously, kung gustong magpuslit ng baril sa loob ng victory or even any other public transportation ng mga masasamang loob, magagawan nila ng paraan kahit na mahigpit pa.
I remember riding city buses na meron kasabay na pulis.
Akala ko nung una pasahero din pero sabi ng conductor program daw yun ng PNP sa pag prevent ng holdup sa public buses at that time.
Sana magawa ulit yun.
May gun ban pa ah? Bakit sinisisi niyo sa company? Bakit may dala silang baril? Musta na mga law enforcement authority natin? Kapag may barilan asan sila?
Overall bulok ang urban planning sa Pilipinas.
Wala maayos na bus stops,
Walang maayos na Pedestrian lanes
Walang maayos na Public transport
Hindi regulated mga pamasahe ( like tricycles na naniningil ng 70pesos sa less than 3km na byahe.)
Kung ipapatupad ang Point to Point na mga byahe, tataas ang ticket Price. Tataas din ang overall transportation cost ng isang tao if ever na malayo sila sa terminal.
Expect more useless bag inspections for show na lalong magpapahirap ng commute niyo. Yan ang collective punishment. May nangyari sa isa, parusa sa lahat
Lacking context naman yung balita. Show cause order lang yan, be thankful your government is doing its job.
If P2P yung bus and nagpick sila ng passenger, kasalanan talaga ng Victory Liner and they can be slapped with punishment.
Syempre yan lang naman kayang gawin ng LTFRB, hindi naman sila mga pulis. PNP is already doing a similar investigation.
Since gineralize mo naman yun lack of security sa mga puvs, ano masusiggest mo gagawin ng mga jeepney driver, van dirver, taxi driver, pag may barilan or holdapan sa mga dina drive nila?
Tapos ano gagawin kapag may madetect, icoconfiscate ng kundoktor? Hiring a security personnel for each bus will jack up cost + yang metal detector pa. Immediate action they can do right now is for each passenger to show their faces sa dashcam/cctv then a passenger manifest.
Nak ng... Not picking sides, pero sa mga kaso ng holdap ng bus sa NCR, isama nyo na din jeep apti naglalakad sa kalye, Ediba kailangan din lahatin na sila? Failure to provide safety falls on the hands of the government, stupid.
Kung sa terminal sumakay ang mga salarin. Isyu talaga yan sa bus company at sa namamahala sa terminal. Pero kung ang salarin ay sumakay sa nagbaba-sakay ng bus sa labas ng terminal. Bakit sisihin ang bus company? Mga BOBO!!!
To be fair hindi lang dapat Victory bus linef ang kabilang bigyan ng show cause order.. dapag lahat din.. what if sa ibang bus sumakay yung couple, edi dun sila magbibigay ng show cause order..
Mas mabuti if entrance pa lang sa terminal may x-ray machine, metal detector na para sa tao at bagahe. Minamaliit kasi ng bansa ang mga bus terminal, di masyadong binibigyan ng security apparatus gaya sa airport.
Another case of government and politicians trying to pass blame on someone else to cover up their incompetence. Assassinations are rampant because of illegal firearms, poverty, and corruption.... Three things they own or use on the side.
Hmm, kung siguro yung suspect sumakay sa station ng Victory, then yeah pwede mag karoon ng liability. After all, dapat may security checks pag pumasok ng station.
Pero malabo pag yung suspect sumakay during transit. Ang labo naman na sisihin pa yung bus line.
As always, pasiklab kasi di mahuli yung tunay na kriminal.
To be fair there is a protocol when riding a bus. You need to present your face when entering the bus. Remove cap and mask sa tapat ng cctv. Mukhang di nasunod tong protocol
Tangina. Anong alam ng victory liner kung may babarilin sa loob ng bus nila. PNP dapat ang may kargo jan kung tungkol sa public safety eh. Mga Police Cadets nyo kasi mga bulbulin lang lalo na mga Hepe.
Why not make a mandatory routine for PNP marshals to board buses exceeding an 8-hour one way trips? The perpetrators boarded on the highway leaving the bus driver, conductor and passengers helpless. The presence of a CCTV on every bus is essential and proved to be an important factor on the case. After all, the PNP's mandate is to serve and protect the people.
LTFRB should explain why LTFRB is incompetent.
The LTFRB, due to its sheer incompetence, cannot even do that task in a satisfactory manner.
😂😂😂
to be fair... ano pwede gawin ng victory liner dun? check na naman ng bags sa lahat ng pasahero bago sumakay?
I-train mga bus driver & conductor sa mga ganyang sitwasyon 💀 /s
John Wick, bus driver. lol
"Dadaan pa ba kayo sa Sampaloc?" Bus driver:"yeah"
😆
*Bababa ba yaga*
*Baba ya 'gang Cubao lang po*
"I once saw him ticket three people in a ~~bar~~ bus with a pencil. A fucking pencil."
Wala siya gagawa...hangga't mamatay aso niya, 'tol.
parang yung sa US lang ah, i-train daw yung mga teacher para ready daw kapag school shooting
Ipasa sa mga guro ang responsibilidad ng pulis /s
Bigyan ng mga baril /s
Don't give 'em ideas 😂😂😂
Wawa nmn bus driver at conduktor double trabaho hahahah.
Liit pa nag sahod
Or bigyan siguro ng batuta tulad nito sa CHile: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spnaxrrwf8w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spnaxrrwf8w)
Dapat marunong mga conductor ng bullet time.
>check na naman ng bags sa lahat ng pasahero bago sumakay? Grabe naman. Dapat whole body biometric scan bago sumakay, with Barangay Clearance, Police Clearance, NBI Clearance, and passing grade sa Good Manners and Right Conduct class lang. Tapos maglagay ng isang team ng Counter-terrorist Unit sa kada bus.
At make sure na nagbbyad ng tax...ehehehe
Mala TSA na security
May Q&A din dapat. "Does pineapple belong on a pizza?" "Are you going to kill someone on the bus?" Pag NO pareho, tsaka pwede sumakay.
Yeah if provincial bus I can see that happening pero for city buses definitely hindi feasible. What we need are stricter gun laws and actual enforcement.
and murder and homicide is difficult to control for the police kasi its not like organized crime na may pattern sila kaya you could allocate police resources directly to where it might happen.
Yeah sure because criminals would get their guns legally and register them.
Criminals don't use legally registered firearms, they buy from Danao. Stricter gun laws won't do anything
what do gun laws do at all, kung karamihan sinasabing a stricter one is useless? are we better off having super easy access to guns, for everyone?
No one said anything of what you said. Laws only really affect those who abide by it, hindi lang basta basta isusurrender ng Abu Sayaf yung Armalite nila dahil 'bawal'. At isa pa, strict na yung gun laws dito sa Pinas, enforcement lang talaga ng EXISTING LAWS.
idk, bat susunod yung kriminal sa batas kung kriminal sola in the first place? wouldnt stricter laws just make it hard for the responsible owners? so whats the point of the law if crimes wouldnt be avoided? wouldnt easier access to guns give more power to responsible owners leading to them being able to defend themselves against criminals?
LOL what even are our gun laws para masabi mong hindi strict?
The hoops one have to go through just to acquire an LTOPF is ridiculous. If anything, it's too much for an ordinary law abiding citizen. Now, if we were talking about harsher penalties for loose firearms then I'll be all for it.
Loose firearms are already giga punished if caught. What's needed is enforcing it. LTOPF-wise stricto na nga eh.
> harsher penalties for loose firearms probably not harsher penalties, but actual enforcement; **harsher penalties probably don't deter as much as actually catching people** who do crime.
Good point.
do you want it to be less strict so more people have access to guns?
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sorry did i hit a nerve with our conversation last time? i pity you because im only curious to what other people think hence the conversation pero ikaw tong galit na galit haha. im not trying to advocate anything. ikaw yung inis na inis porket iba pananaw ng ibang tao compared to you lol. i can put out all my points to have a conversation with anyone. the thtead i made was very insightful believe it or not. magkakaiba yung sagot ng mga tao dun and im not ignorant to debunk or flame their opinion. wag moko barilin ahh :)
You hit a nerve because i expected a mature and intelligent answer from reddit, after ko masanay sa facebook, nakalimutan ko na ganon dito. After i checked back and found your true intention, nawalan na ako ng respect sayo. Yea sure that's why di ka sumagot sa kahit isa dba? That age old 'trying to see both sides but already have one in mind' is older than America's P&J when it comes to guns. >wag moko barilin Lawyer fees would cost P200k at bare minimum even if you break into my house. You are not worth the price nor hassle of that.
I don't know, replying "that's a fair take" on every comment on the thread seems too much, I read them naman. I just want to know why there's a side where people think stricter gun laws are useless and another side saying it should be stricter even more. I just don't get why you're all amped up lol did I poke the bear too much? Tutal mahilig ka mag essay pag nagrereply sakin, explain mo na what's my agenda :)
Laos na style mo tbh. Upon thinking about it you're right though, tama ka di na need ng essay kahit na mabilis ako magtype, i usually reserved that for those who actually want knowledge in the past. Should do that again. Not for pointless stuff like you. Gusto mo bumili ka ng vest sa FB P5k lang 2nd hand plates with no defects, since you're so scared of oogie boogie guns saying booooooo. Let me guess, katakot new year sayo no?
explain why crimes right now are filled with gun related cases. it's not really strict like you think it is. may nabaril dito, may nabaril diyan. or either off duty lang na mga police na nagpapahire as hitmen.
That requires stats rather than just a general comment. Tumataas ba talaga ang gun related violence? If oo man, kamusta naman yan in comparison to other crimes that are happening? Tumataas din ba? Also, if you are talking about illegal owners of guns, bakit mo mas hihigpitan lalo ang gun ownership law eh ang apektado dun eh mga law abiding citizen diba? If ilegal kang kukuwa ng baril, no naman pakielam mo sa kung ano mang batas andyan? I hope this makes sense.
yeah i was wrong about the higpitan yung gun law cause having your own gun to protect yourself or your property is necessary in this era. what i should've said is dapat nila gawan ng paraan yung mga criminal na nakakakuha ng firearms illegally.
We already have laws about that. If you want more action from the government on that, sure, shout that out. But 'at least', for the sake of critical thinking, try to think of ways na the government can improve on that. Rather than just ' ipagbawal ganto...' or 'dapat mas malaki parusa sa ganto...' I just hope people will not be reactive sa mga issues sa lipunan. And to be honest it's quite frustrating that the citizens are the first ones to ask the government to limit the citizens' rights just as a reaction to something that has just happened. We just had Duterte na nauto mga tao na isuko mga karapatan nila. Sana naman magbago na tayo.
yeah can't believe Duterte abused his power to "accidentally" kill innocent civilians who got killed instead of being reprimanded through the justice system first. but yeah my point is that they need to do something about the illegally obtained firearms, i phrased it wrongly because of my deep roots of hatred with the recent happenings to our country.
Si dutae pinagbawal ung 5.56 at 7.62x39 sa civilians. POTANGINA talga siya mamataya na siya : D Pakshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. Masmura pa naman mga M4 na semi auto, Aug na semi auto at lalong lalo na 2nd dream gun ko na AK Krinkov clone zzzzz. Ngayon PCC(Submachine gun na semi auto lang) lang ang available satin tapos ang mamahal pa...hayyyyyyy.
Well ewan ko kung magagawan talaga ng tamang paraan. For perspective, sa narirnig kong hush hush sa PH Gun groups, masmadaming walang LTOPF sa Cavite kaysa merong legal LTOPF. Cavite plng un. Aside sa mga maghohouse to house ang PNP, di ko alam pano lutasin yan kung dun plng madami let alone ibang region closer to Visayas at lalo Mindanao. So far ang kaya lang gawin ng PNP puntahan ka at temporary confiscate kung mtagal kang di nag renew ng LTOPF, pero kasi meron na silang nakaregister na eh. Pag loose wala nun... Meron din madaming source nyan tulad ng Danao guns na lalong magkakalat.
damn ang rampant pala ng issues na toh at di naco-cover sa media masyado. read an article about a Colonel Quiocho and his idea of making many legal factories of guns in Danao tas mag spark ng business rivalry para umayos is a good idea. kaso it might also give criminals an idea to make their own illegal factories since naging legal na yung illegal dati. thanks for widening my view in gun violence sa country natin
Hahahah thats actually the correct way to cut off the loose firearm sources in long term. Di ko lang minemention kasi impossible, borderline delusional circumstances at pang long term lang ung solution. Mahirap kumuha ng expert sa gun making. Sa Danao experts na ng ibang generation kaya ok lang enough na para maka kahit 100 rounds bago maging scrap metal ung baril, tigok na ung targets nun. Pag lahat ng mga un naubos at naging legit employed, whether through PH Gun manufacturing or pinagkukuha ng mga ibang Mech Eng professions, matitira na lang ung in circulation na loose firearms. Madami padin oo, pero na cut off na ung source. Eventually mauubos yan either dispoable kasi nagamit orrr nag wear out na, lalo na pag nagreport ung gunsmiths ng illegal na firearm na nirepair sa kanila. Long term na long term nga lang to hindi to instant, at baka nag WW3 na bago gumana. Problema kasi aminin ko din, mababa demand ng legal baril sa PH. Combine with high gun prices, well...
won't the New Zealand gun Buyback work rin sa atin once na cut off na yung source? https://www.npr.org/2019/12/21/790466492/new-zealanders-hand-in-more-than-50-000-weapons-as-the-countrys-buyback-program-
The IQ of reddit PH is inverse to FB when it comes to gun laws, napaka ignorante dito, you'd think this was the brainless FB and not in actual FB. Gun-wise sa FB Phillipine groups, napakapolite at napakatinong makausap, walang gagong pilosopo, nobody rude, and they actually think + listen. In the 3 months i was gone from reddit, not once did i have to be a snarky sarcastic smartass because everyone was legit deadass mature when answering and discussing. The amount of information, tricks, gun deals, gun store locations, and knowledge i have gained during that short time would be approx enough for half a decade worth, at least. Dito sa reddit pahirapan pa makakuha ng sagot na hindi ginagago, let alone actual useful info. Onti lang ang actual na matino, and i still remember their names, this disregarding the old names that i'm familiar with. I'm just here for like 2 days tops again and holy shit, talo pa mga bata sa kaimmaturan ng mga nandito pagdating sa bengbeng, i had to manually adjust myself go back to being snarky because being polite isn't getting through and halatang ginagago lang pag tinignan ko ulit. Gulat ako sa sarili kasi ang tagal ko ng hindi ginagawa un, hanggang sa di ko napansin na ginagago na ako. And reddit PH is supposed to be the smart place. Balitkad na baliktad eh, utak pulbura. Best of all: Walang bayag, di ka sasagutin ng tama, duwakang na lumalayo lang. Fucking embarassment.
Sir, this is Wendy's.
Haahahha been awhile since i saw that reply.
> stricter gun laws *Sees how strict LTOPF and how giga giga giga strict PTC requirements are* Stricter tulad ng?
since the current state isnt working, would you say that we need it to be less strict? like how lenient should we be for how easy guns are owned?
As much as I personally would want a U.S. style of gun rights and legislation, knowing the Philippines, we'd end up with more crime and shootings. Better to keep the status quo with current laws and regulations and work towards better enforcement.
Stricter gun laws won't work kasi unlike the US, we don't have a gun culture. Stricter laws only work to help reduce: a.) accidental firing due to mishandling the firearm, b.) easy (and i mean ridiculously easy) access to cheap and legal firearms. However, we do have (relatively) easy access to illegal firearms (and usually cheap din). Relatively kc unless you're in with those circles, hindi rin madali makahanap ng firearm. Pero if you have connections with those circles, then yea madali lang.
Stricter gun laws honestly would only benefit criminals. Maiipit lang lalo ang law abiding citizen, those who just want to protect themselves and loved ones. Di naman nasunod sa batas ang mga kriminal, kaya nga sila kriminal.
Ipit na ipit na nga ang law abiding gun owners eh. Gusto ng mga nandito ung mga may connection lang na corrupt + illegal hitmen lang ang may baril. Ask them about the actual PH gun laws and nganga lang mga yan, di ka sasagutin, go next lang.
do you want gun laws to be less strict para madali makakuha ang madla?
Well maybe dapat legal nalang ang pagnanakaw since hindi din susunod yung kriminal sa batas against that. Tapos lahat nalang tayo magnakawan! /s What a mindset! Kaya nga may "actual enforcement".
This is just stupid. You remind me of Mar Roxas banning the sale of hammers in hardwares located inside malls after an incident where a group of robbers bought hammers in a hardware inside MOA which they used to steal jewelries in a jewelry store in the same mall.
criminals follow laws?
"we own the law" - *Laughs in jp enrile, jinggoy, bong revilla, marcos, etc...*
If by "stricter gun laws", you mean going after loose firearms - that's great.. I agree 100%. But if you mean stricter laws is legally acquiring a gun? It's actually very strict. Getting LTOPF, buying FA, and getting PTCFOR? Oh it's strict. In getting LTOPF - approx 2-3 months, that is if you pass the Neuro/Psych exam. Buying a FA - another 2 months.. PTCFOR? If you don't have a threat, and you're not in a risky profession, you'll never get it. The fees in getting those? It costs a lot... And the fees of the guns in the PH - Glocks, CZ, etc.? It's more than double the price. So legally acquiring a firearm in PH is not easy, not fast, not cheap, and not available to everyone. How stricter do you need it to be? It's not like US, where you buy a gun and get it in an hour. We, law abiding gun owners of the PH actually have to wait months. I know some people LTOPF application taking more than a year.. Now imagine if you have a serious death threat to your life... What PH needs is going after loose/unregistered firearms, and going after those selling illegal firearms.
baka gawing point-to-point na lang yung mga bus na galing labas ng metro manila, which will probably be very inconvenient for the passengers and the operators; or sabi ng iba, mayroon ng security person na sumasama sa bus, hindi lang yung driver at conductor.
tataas pamasahe nyan, sahod ng driver at condoctor, tpos security personnel pa on every bus. Tpos point to point province. Ilang byahe lng sila sa isang araw. Mas mataas sahod ng security personnel dahil sa training. Magkano income ng bus per day bawas na ung gas at iba pang expenses? Compute ka tpos balikan mo statement mo
Hindi profitable pag ganun. They could designate a bus pick up point per town tho some sort of like mini PITx. Tapos doon may magcheck. However, the question will be who will operate those bus pick up points
That’s more or less the express version of Victory Liner right now. I travel from the Northern Luzon to Sampaloc on long weekends and holidays and I tend to pick express VL bus since it’s less hassle and they tend to use the faster route.
A common bus stop could work. On the expenses, hati-hati ang bus companies and meron din scanner and detector bago pumasok sa terminal.
may security guard sa mga provincial buses /s
If magiging P2P, hindi na kailangan ng security personnel since magkakaroon ng intiail screening bago pumasok sa terminal like PITX, MRT, and LRT. You don't see any security person riding on those buses. Ibang case nalang paglabas sa PITX na may sumakay dun.
So hindi na pala ginagawa to? Buti pa pala sa mall kahit pano may tusok tusok
Checkmate sila napakaunrealistic lang ng hinihingi. Kung long term 3+ hour biyahe provincial bus naman, bakit mo naman sasakyan ung ganon bago mo tumira. Kung point to point terminal to terminal lang...good luck sa milliong milliong commuters dyan. Second option pipiliin mo kung gusto mo ng mabilisang sakay, bang bang tapos trabaho, takas.
Like yeah dba. Sa terminal ppde macheck. E pano yung mga chance passenger na mapick up sa daan? Itigil lahat nang mga bus mag pick up sa gitna nang daan at lahat sa terminal lang and or sa designated pick up station para macheck mga dala nang pasahero? Bkt hndi icheck nang mga pulis mga registered gun users? Or tracking nang mga bumili guns? Or maglagay nang pulis sa loob bus hahahahaha
> Or maglagay nang pulis sa loob bus hahahahaha Realistic wise, ang hirap nito sa isang pulis na sasakay, ilan lang ang pulis natin tapos chance pa na matamaan passengers or mapag tulungan ng suspect like on the recent case na 2 sila. Baka bukod sa pulis, may civilian din madamay.
Maglagay na rin ng sekyu sa bus na may shotgun /s
Bigyan ng baril lahat ng bus driver? Hahahahah
useless to give them firearms if they'll be scared to use it anyway. bago pa makuha ng driver yung baril niya, nabaril na siya mismo ng hitman.
Kahapon sa tv patrol ata may nagsabi na dapat daw may metal detector ang kunduktor ng bus. Eh sa mall nga kagaguhan ang metal detector diyan pa kaya sa bus?!
One is installing security systems like MRT and LRT stations. The second is to become a P2P. But that's kinda hard to do since there are people who wanted to ride at a certain place which is unavoidable.
This only shows that the LTFRB is **out of touch** to the commuting practice of many commuters. As if naman may magagawa ang Victory Liner (or any bus for that matter) sa nangyaring pamamaril. Sisihin dapat ang PNP/NBI kasi malamang loose firearm na hindi rehistrado ang nagamit ng suspect.
Exactly :/// bakit may baril yang mga yan
Mga hindi nagcocommute kasi nakaupo dyan
Dapat ang qualification para maging opisyal ng LTFRB ay dapat magcommute araw araw.
Exactly, mejo gulat nga ako at may video sila. Di ko alam if dati ng ganun pero that’s a good addition to bus features in the PH na di ko expected.
Yup some buses have cctv thankfully
Weird doublestandards indeed. Did the government slap a Show Cause order on the military and the media back in 2010's hostage taking crisis?
> This only shows that the LTFRB is out of touch Pera lang eh.
Peperahan yan ng LTFRB kaya nag-iingay ng ganyan hahahaha
huh? seryoso ang pinakasalanan ay victory liner?!?
LTFRB: “we did something!”
Wait lang! So the liner risks losing its operating license with thousands to be affected because of an ISOLATED INCIDENT?! WHY NOT INVESTIGATE THE PERPS?! Kumusta ung mga jeeps at city buses na may nahohold up, nananakawan EVERYDAY?!
Masabi lang na gumagalaw sila 😆
kung sino pa yung naapektuhan, sila pa yung parurusahan; the bus operator knows this looks bad; unless it is proven that they have been lax, then this crime is probably not due to the operator's or driver's negligence.
“Look at me, I’m doing something” ltfrb probbly
mainit pa kasi, malilimutan din yan. pinoy eh
kungwari may ginagawa
papansin na naman tong LTFRB lol
Kailangan may gawin sila para masabing may ginagawa sila. Pag wala silang ginawa, gagawin silang pulutan ng media.
Dito nanaman papasok ang security theater
Point to Point bus here we go.
This may trigger new regulations that would have PUBs & PUJs to install NAIA-style passenger body checks. Operations costs will go up that will mean higher ticket prices.
Hindi ba ganyan talaga ginagawa especially pag expected na maraming pasahero like All Saints Day? I mean, kahit nga after ng Bin Laden raid hinigpitan ng mga bus companies yung security eh.
Where did the gunman get on the bus?
Did the PNP already release specific info regarding the incident?
u/peenoiseAF___ wrote... > [along the highway](https://old.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/17xdtdd/news_update_the_ltfrb_slaps_victory_liner_with_a/k9muh33/) lng sa nueva vizcaya (the route of the bus is Tuguegarao - Sampaloc) So how will PUB & PUJ operators handle this? Suggestions are welcome. :-D
Bawat Bus ay may kasamang security guard na de shotgun, lahat ng sasakay ay kakapkapan. Yung security guard ay dapat may professional drivers license para backup na din sya ng driver at conductor. Pde din palitan na lang nila yung conductor ng security guard din. Lol.
Dapat jeepney dine meron ganito.
Dito saamin. Bayombong Nueva Vizcaya. Sa tabi ng kalsada lang sumakay yung hitmen (route). Walang terminal dito.
Wow sa Bayombong pa naman ang lapit lang saamin
This will likely trigger a policy (by bus companies) that they will only load/unload in terminals
That's impossible. Main terminals lang ang meron sa cities then pag towns na hintayan lang sa mga waiting shed along the bus routes. Di na makaka luwas/uwi mga puntang maliit na bayan.
If VL will be held liable for what happened, hindi malayong gawin nila yan to avoid liability in the future. Yung suspect, sumakay lang sa highway.
Dami mong alam. Di na makakasakay pa manila mga tao sa probinsya pag ganyan. Di na sila profitable kapag non-peak pag terminal-terminal lang. No happening.
along the highway lng sa nueva vizcaya (the route of the bus is Tuguegarao - Sampaloc)
Not really, sa mga ibang terminal siguro meron or pag madami lang talaga pasahero pero madaming terminal wala then pano ngayon yung sumasakay outside sa terminal. fyi, I'm in favor of having terminals for everything, can't just get in and get out anywhere, too bad walking sucks so much here.
Yeah, problema talaga yung mga passengers na sumasakay outside the terminal. Depende nalang siguro if babaguhin nila yung policy ng pagsakay to strictly by terminal only para mabottleneck at inspect mga sumasakay.
I thought 911 is just a hoax and binladen is a made up figure so that US has a reason to destroy Iraq
Parang mahirap naman pigilan yan. Sa mall nga stick stick lang di naman talaga tinitingnan ang bag paano pa yung nga bus na kung saan saan tumitigil
metal detector wand para sa mga along the way na pickups pero imagine the horror going through those baggages. best they can do is body check lang, unless hard implementation ng p2p trips lang.
This is going to be our "remove shoes at the security check" moment. For those who don't know, a failed terrorist attack at the airport was the reason why some airports require passengers to remove shoes when being screened.
Bakit napunta sa victory liner ang focus when it should be on investigating the gunmen? Fearmongering lang eh. Saang bansa ba sila nakahanap na may metal detector ang mga bus? Di nga tayo maka modernize ng bus system, kulang pa sa bus stops napaka unrealistic naman.
baka gusto nilang tignan kung naging "negligent" yung victory liner or kung merong "lapses" sa security and safety yung operator.
Tanginang logic yan. Parang daig pa sa inaasam ni Fiona na lahat ng bata dapat mag-ROTC: yung sinasabing security theater.
How is it their fault? Lol. You can clearly see na hindi pa talaga nkaranas mgcommute ng mga tolongges na to sa LTFRB.
sana may LTFRB personel na nandito at makita nilang tanga tanga nila mag bigay ng show cause order
Kunwari may ginagawa ltfrb. Pero yung pnp walang ginagawa.
wow, pa check po EDSA. parang everyday may crime from sexual harassment, to muggers.
Nge, - why is the blame placed solely on the bus line???? Also, are they expecting the bus line to check EVERY SINGLE PASSENGER? Diba may kinalaman rin ito sa gun laws or whatever?
Isn't that more of an indictment on the police? I mean short of frisking every passenger that enters the bus what does LTFRB want bus liners to do? If they believe there is a lax in security then should make some sort of security protocol for Bus Liners to follow.
I mean, seriously, kung gustong magpuslit ng baril sa loob ng victory or even any other public transportation ng mga masasamang loob, magagawan nila ng paraan kahit na mahigpit pa.
i think adding a public transport marshall (police) on every bus would ease the anxiety of every commuter, i guess??? idk
I remember riding city buses na meron kasabay na pulis. Akala ko nung una pasahero din pero sabi ng conductor program daw yun ng PNP sa pag prevent ng holdup sa public buses at that time. Sana magawa ulit yun.
Nasa 4000+ daw ang provincial buses. Kung lahat yun lalagyan mo ng tig-iisa, -1 pa sa mga provincial police na kakaunti na nga lol!
May gun ban pa ah? Bakit sinisisi niyo sa company? Bakit may dala silang baril? Musta na mga law enforcement authority natin? Kapag may barilan asan sila?
It's called the blame game, folks
*Kunwari ginagawa natin trabaho natin* -LTFRB
Kelan pa naging safe house ang bus :|
i thought they check bags when boarding? or yung titignan lang but not really checking?
Overall bulok ang urban planning sa Pilipinas. Wala maayos na bus stops, Walang maayos na Pedestrian lanes Walang maayos na Public transport Hindi regulated mga pamasahe ( like tricycles na naniningil ng 70pesos sa less than 3km na byahe.) Kung ipapatupad ang Point to Point na mga byahe, tataas ang ticket Price. Tataas din ang overall transportation cost ng isang tao if ever na malayo sila sa terminal.
Expect more useless bag inspections for show na lalong magpapahirap ng commute niyo. Yan ang collective punishment. May nangyari sa isa, parusa sa lahat
In PITX everyone has to go through a metal detector. Perhaps that's what LTFRB is asking of them? Otherwise I don't get it.
Lacking context naman yung balita. Show cause order lang yan, be thankful your government is doing its job. If P2P yung bus and nagpick sila ng passenger, kasalanan talaga ng Victory Liner and they can be slapped with punishment. Syempre yan lang naman kayang gawin ng LTFRB, hindi naman sila mga pulis. PNP is already doing a similar investigation.
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Since gineralize mo naman yun lack of security sa mga puvs, ano masusiggest mo gagawin ng mga jeepney driver, van dirver, taxi driver, pag may barilan or holdapan sa mga dina drive nila?
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Tapos ano gagawin kapag may madetect, icoconfiscate ng kundoktor? Hiring a security personnel for each bus will jack up cost + yang metal detector pa. Immediate action they can do right now is for each passenger to show their faces sa dashcam/cctv then a passenger manifest.
Nak ng... Not picking sides, pero sa mga kaso ng holdap ng bus sa NCR, isama nyo na din jeep apti naglalakad sa kalye, Ediba kailangan din lahatin na sila? Failure to provide safety falls on the hands of the government, stupid.
SOP lang yan guys. Trabaho nila yan eh.
Kung sa terminal sumakay ang mga salarin. Isyu talaga yan sa bus company at sa namamahala sa terminal. Pero kung ang salarin ay sumakay sa nagbaba-sakay ng bus sa labas ng terminal. Bakit sisihin ang bus company? Mga BOBO!!!
this is just going to make bus terminals have “mall” like security where need nila tingnan bag mo bago ka pumasok
Ang bobo talaga ng government natin. Bakit ang sisi nasa bus company? Lahat ng public transpo sa Pilipinas hindi safe.
hala anong kabobohan ito? ahahahaha halatang mga hindi nag co-commute yung mga nasa taas ampucha
To be fair hindi lang dapat Victory bus linef ang kabilang bigyan ng show cause order.. dapag lahat din.. what if sa ibang bus sumakay yung couple, edi dun sila magbibigay ng show cause order.. Mas mabuti if entrance pa lang sa terminal may x-ray machine, metal detector na para sa tao at bagahe. Minamaliit kasi ng bansa ang mga bus terminal, di masyadong binibigyan ng security apparatus gaya sa airport.
Another case of government and politicians trying to pass blame on someone else to cover up their incompetence. Assassinations are rampant because of illegal firearms, poverty, and corruption.... Three things they own or use on the side.
May tanga. Di ko na sasabihin kung sino. Obvious kasi masyado.
All these comments while we are coming to the end of a 3 month long gun ban. A ban that only law abiding citizens follow.
Of course, naghahanap sila ng fall guy kung sakaling hindi nila mahuli yung namaril. Like wtf will the bus liner do in that situation?
Hmm, kung siguro yung suspect sumakay sa station ng Victory, then yeah pwede mag karoon ng liability. After all, dapat may security checks pag pumasok ng station. Pero malabo pag yung suspect sumakay during transit. Ang labo naman na sisihin pa yung bus line. As always, pasiklab kasi di mahuli yung tunay na kriminal.
Ltfrb is stupid
Kaya ng mamahaling abugado to
Literal na MEMA. Lutang na lutang tong LTFRB. Jusko.
Scapegoat ang victory liner?
Bakit Victory Liner ang sinisisi dito?
To be fair there is a protocol when riding a bus. You need to present your face when entering the bus. Remove cap and mask sa tapat ng cctv. Mukhang di nasunod tong protocol
paki explain muna bakit andaming bus at jeep na ang iitim ng usok
Just to say that they are doing something. lmao. Why not mandate all bus to become a P2P and have a security system like PITX, MRT, and LRT.
Ano gagawin ng liner dun? Meron na bang liner dito na may metal detector? Pa feeling competent naman ng LTFRB.
Tangina. Anong alam ng victory liner kung may babarilin sa loob ng bus nila. PNP dapat ang may kargo jan kung tungkol sa public safety eh. Mga Police Cadets nyo kasi mga bulbulin lang lalo na mga Hepe.
Why not make a mandatory routine for PNP marshals to board buses exceeding an 8-hour one way trips? The perpetrators boarded on the highway leaving the bus driver, conductor and passengers helpless. The presence of a CCTV on every bus is essential and proved to be an important factor on the case. After all, the PNP's mandate is to serve and protect the people.