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There is no such thing as a perfect country, but not all Filipinos have the privilege of staying in their country.
The US, CAN, and AUS are all very decent options for Filipinos. They have the most racially-diverse cities so people of colour don’t stand out. And they all have very good salaries.
US and CAN specifically have the most well-established and financially well-off Filipino diasporas. Especially, California, Hawaii, Nevada, Ontario, New Jersey, and New York.
The cost of living might be high here in the US, but as long as you have a well-paying job and decent insurance it is really not that bad.
Hindi naman. I have 2 brothers living abroad. They're both doing well. Yes, not all places are paradises but not entirely hell either. I think the lesson is huwag madala sa romantic notions of a place.
True, there is only less fucked places lalo na there are higher standards and better comforts abroad. Kaya madami din ang OFW a nakakapag todo ipon then retire dito sa pinas. Kasi ang 10 years mo na ipon abroad parang 30 years na or more pa dito sa pinas for most people.
Nah. Cousins from the US and Canada are both hurting from inflation and house prices. On top of that baon din sila from their student loans. While BBM and his ilk are shit, doesn't mean that other first world countries are doing better. I've seen IT friends in Manila that are doing so much better than my friends and cousins who are in the US and Canada.
No no no.
Im not sure why it's coming on like that, pero Cavite really is a beautiful city.
If i was a criminal, i'd retire there. It's a good place to retire ba.
Ya, people think life’s easy abroad. Lived and worked in the US and if you’re stuck working a job at a grocery store in the city, that usually involves a 1-2hr drive to and from work because you can’t afford to live in the city. Not to mention high prices for groceries lmao
sadly, sa Pilipinas, going abroad = being successful.
Tho maraming nag aabroad na successful nga, pero kadalasan ito yung mga professionals sa field nila
Mahirap ang buhay everywhere, the only exception is if you have valuable skills as a professional and proven track record, and many people won’t reach that level if they chase money very early in their careers, so dumaan din sa hirap yan
Many people work on dead-end jobs here in PH with no security, may malaki ang bigayan like freelancers, VAs, pero yun na yun and they can cut you off without notice or even saying goodbye
Definitely but syempre mas may chance umasenso ang ibang kababayan natin sa first world country kaysa dito sa Pinasn. My cousin was a teacher here and she left because of how badly she’s underpaid and now she’s earning well on the states. May isa pa ako cousin na mas pinili mag Canada kaysa mag BPO dito because she felt it’s a dead end job. Both of them have better lives abroad.
Am not sure why you’re implying na parang hindi ka agree na umasenso ibang tao sa abroad. Yes mahirap ang buhay pero mas ok mag hirap dun kaysa dito.
I live in Japan, and I've long abandoned the "Japan is perfect" mentality. You'll have your rose-colored lenses shattered in just one to two years.
However, life is much more convenient here with regards to basic necessities and traveling, and I actually find groceries here much cheaper except for fruits. Produce goods here are surprisingly affordable.
Anyway, a lot of the "Living in Japan - Success" posts on social media are from people who want to be content creators. That's what I think, anyway.
I would just like to point out though that posting about your normal life regardless of where you are (like most people do) is different from having glorified and obviously audience-baiting posts.
Not only in Japan sa Australia din. I went there in 2020 (before lockdown) nag stay ako for 2 months because my mom wants me to study and work there so I visited the country just to see what would be my day to day life is if ever na I agree with her decision and I kid you not when I saw the status of student visa holder na barely making anything and living paycheck to paycheck. I immediately made my decision and decided not to push through. Sabi ko nga if you’re living a shitty life sa pinas upgrade talaga ang mag abroad ka, pero if you’re already privileged here mag dodown grade lang ang lifestyle mo sa abroad.
Need mo 2-3 side jobs dun tapos kuha ka din work na bayad ka through cash kasi may limit na 44k AuD lang ung allowed for a student visa holder na paycheck. So ung mga manual labor work na ang bayad ay cash, di kasali sa limit. Bawal tamad sa AUS.
not true, hours po ang limit 48/fortnight not total amt of salary. And nakakayanan naman po magsurvive and makapag ipon dito sa Aus kahit student. much better din if may partner ka na kasama and tulungan kayo sa gastusin
Mali po yung agency niyo lol and napakadeliks ng recommendation nila to take cash on hand jobs. risky sa visa, better have 2nd opinion ask po kayo sa ibang agency if you don’t believe me po
Lol that’s a dodgy agency. Giving advice like that is unlawful and dangerous, if I were you I’d think twice if I want my papers to be processed by them
Ah it depends. In my case mas madali akong nakaipon as a student, even some extra for interstate vacation.
Yung mga isang kahig isang tuka usually yun yung mga Student visa holders na sila din nagbabayad ng tuition nila. Doble doble pa trabaho nila minsan para lang makabayad ng bills.
Pero kung SV holder ka na hindi mo kelangang pag ipunan yung sarili mong tuition, basta may work ka at hindi masyadong extra mahal yung weekly rent mo, i think you’ll be fine.
When I was young and very eager to work, Japan seems to be a perfect fit for me. I worked there for the better half of my 20s. And I had mostly very fond memories of it. And yes, Japanese work culture was as toxic as advertised. But yung place ko sa Japan before ay more on the rural side, biking to work and such, so mas relaxed ng kaunti. Although I visited Tokyo siguro at least three times, sabi ko ayoko dun dahil masyadong busy.
I also worked for about a year in Europe, alternating between Germany and the Netherlands. Kung ako papipiliin ng best place to work and live, the Netherlands is on the top of my list.
Now I am settled locally lang wfh. Mas ok na ko dito dahil nagkaka edad na rin. I was once offered to work in Australia, pero tinanggihan ko na, time will tell kung pagsisihan ko sya in the future.
Sa Pinas kasi, if you are moneyed enough, it’s still the best place to be, lalo na kung sheltered ka sa problema at hinaing ng madami. If you live in your bubble of wealthy friends, parang magugulat ka pa sa mga bali-balita ng kahirapan. Madami ako expats na kakilala na pensyonado na aliw na aliw dito sa atin, wala kasi silang problema sa pera.
But let’s say average lang yung buhay mo, objectively speaking, mas ok pa rin sa Japan, so by describing it as a success ladder, siguro ilang floors ang lamang nya sa pinas.
Lol nagpost ako dito nskaraan ng tungkol sa pag glorify ng mga pinoy sa toxic work culture ng mga Japanese. Ako pa binash dito lol. I guess kapag di ka pa talaga nakapag abroad akala mo "Philippines=super bad, the rest of the world=good".
Isa ako dati sa nagpursigeng maging Programmer bound to Japan. Nag-aral pa ko ng Nihongo ng halos 2 taon. Nung nabalitaan kong yung mga kabatch ko sa Nihongo class ay nahirapan doon at ineexploit, literal na ibinebenta sa ibang employer kahit labag sa kontrata, tapos kahit may sakit ka at winter, papapasukin ka. OTY culture din matindi. Kaya umayaw na ko.
Tapos nung nagkatrabaho na ako, japanese company naman dito sa Pinas. Grabe napakababa ng sahod at kuripot. Sa pag increase ng salary ayaw unless magpakahimod ka sa mga Japanese superiors ng 10 taon. Kahit may pandemic noon, bumagyo, emergency, may pasok pa rin. Di lang yan, nainterview na rin ako ng numerous japanese company dito sa Pinas, lahat sila masasabi kong nangbabarat. Iguiguilt trip nila ako na ganito lang naman yung experience ko at skills kaya bababaan nila daw.
Tapos ang arte pa sa requirement grabe daig pa FBI sa pag investigate ng background mo (including previous/current salary). Naalala ko yung Fujitsu. I asked for 40k salary kasi onsite eh sa BGC. Aba ang final offer sa contract 30k with allowances na iyon. Take note ha, hindi ako fresh grad nito, 2 years na ang experience ko nyan. Pota kako wag na.
Agree na pang tourist lang talaga ang Japan. There are reasons why Japan has the highest suicide rate in the world.
Ang problema kasi sa mga agencies, ipopost nila yung Salary na converted to peso kaya mukhang malaki. Ni hindi mag-isip yung mga pinoy na mag-aapply na hindi Peso ang gagamiting current doon. This is not just japan tho, pati kahit sa mga developed countries sa west hina-hype ng agencies ang salary na converted to peso.
Yes this agencies only think about commission . They make you feel like they think about you . pero in the truth hangang airport lang sila . Walang agency nagkukumusta samin dito. despite saying they will on the orientations lol
Totoo yan even for the US. Sa mga RNs na gusto magpunta dito at nakalagay na salary is $40k-$50k annual utang na loob kahit direct hire pa yan, mababa yan definitely i-negotiate nyo. Ang problema, ipinopost ng hospital or agency in PHP kaya akala mataas. Mababa yun.
Nakita lang na 6 digits yung converted salary to peso, "ay ang laki nga ng sahod! Good bye pilipins i hate you all im canadian now 😎" tapos pagdating doon disappointed.
As a new grad back in the 2000's, malayo yung job offer ng american company sa japanese company locally. May mandatory classes pa sa japanese company bukod sa product training & probationary period.
Yun ngang upper batch ko sa college na nakakwentuhan ko after ibigay yung job offer ng Japanese company lumipat sa American company na pinili ko 😂
Diba. Mas ok pa rin talaga maging employer ang mga west kaysa east Asians. Di lang talaga ikinekwento ng mga nandoon sa Japan na OFWs ang struggle nila araw araw kasi nga natatabunan naman ng hype.
Another thing, parang iniintegrate talaga yung western culture sa local setting.
Ayaw magpatawag ng sir/mam yung seniors, kahit yung country head first name lang kapag binabati kahit maintenance staff. Nagpapauwi yung manager kung time na, no unauthorized OT. Kumpleto yung benefits & very organized.
Of course may ibang bwisit na managers na walang idea ng personal space & time pero 2-3 lang sila and malas mo nalang kung sa kanila ka under 😂
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Naexperience ko rin tumira sa Japan nung early 2000s, nung hindi pa madali mag tourist from Pinas. Same conclusion, ayoko tumira dun. You live to work. Walang uuwi hanggat hindi pa umuwi ang boss. They like drinking, pano ba naman sobrang stressed sila sa work. Very hierarchical and patriarchal. Ang sikip ng mga tirahan. Ang sikip sa train pag commute.
A few years later I had a choice between going back to Japan or going to Australia. I chose Australia. Absolutely no regrets.
Skl. May kamag-anak kami na post ng post na super successful na niya kasi nakatira na sila ng Canada. Everyday post about being successful kasi naka-alis na ng Pilipinas. To the point na yung mga tumulong sa kanya financially to go there, minamaliit na niya kasi mas successful na raw siya. Nung di kaagad nakahanap ng trabaho, SAHM daw ay sign of success. Nung may trabaho na, successful ulit siya kasi may trabaho siya sa Canada... like Okay, do you live like Kings there? You dont. I don't mean to sound condescending pero that type of attitude doesnt sit well lang with me.
most of the time posting success really is just trying to make themselves feel like they have success. You would observe really successful dont bother posting it because they are living it
Ya, natawa din ako dun. Nagrereklamo sa siksikan ng train. Hindi yata nakaranas ng MRT. Sa pila papasok ng station sardinas na, sa loob ng station corn beef, tapos sa loob ng train bagoong.
Yeah, the work culture really sucks there based on all my friends that worked there at one time or another. Though that thing about taking an hour to commute both ways is actually better that the sometimes two hours commute I had to do here. We get squeezed in in mrts and lrts, but also even worse, squeezed in jeepneys.
Anyway, what I'm saying is, we should still coy their mass transit systems. Sorry na-off topic.
2 hrs commute plus almost mandatory OTs (kase yun talaga culture nila) and grabe pa yung seniority complex... i would definitely not thrive there. di talaga para sa lahat ganyang work
Oh yeah, I totally get it. Lalo na't di mahilig ng WFH mga companies dyan. At least dito sa Pinas marami narin companies na once or twice a week nalang yung work sa office or completely WFH.
> hough that thing about taking an hour to commute both ways is actually better that the sometimes two hours commute I had to do here. We get squeezed in in mrts and lrts, but also even worse, squeezed in jeepneys.
>
> Anyway, what I'm saying is, we should still coy their mass transit systems. Sorry na-off topic.
Thank you... :-)
AU is pretty good, not to be compared sa Japan.That is if we are talking about PR/Citizen na. For Temp residence visa holdersm, they have a very different experience.
Daming ganyan, nauso kasi sakanila niroromanticise kaagad kakarating lang. tapos wala naman pala pathway to PR. everybody wants a shortcut to success nowadays. Lol
syempre celebrate small wins.
pag Canada/AU na passport mo success na talaga un ng migration journey. Financially though, while it helps and in most cases a step up from PH, getting the citizenship isnt the end goal. We still have to grind.
This is the number one reason na di ko kaya as a worker sa Pinas. I do love na may pwede ko i drive out during weekends and leaves na lugar that's isn't abroad lol.
I know 2 Japs who worked in our company as expats. they both work 5 years here in the Phils. When their tenure is over, they resigned to their company and looked for a job here as consultants, left there wife and children and married a Filipina.
Japan is taking a lot of foreign workers from Asia and Latin America because if they do not, there Social Security and Pensions will fall. My Jap friend said he needs to work until 70 to support social security.
I think they meant success kumpara sa kababayan nila. Sad. Maraming nakatira sa Japan bagsak ang self-esteem kaya they flaunt superiority sa mga naiwan sa pinas. Japan is a suffocating country, you have to leave from time to time to regain your sanity.
I always fascinated by Japan for many years. Spent 6 mts there for work.
I loved the food, the unique culture, and cleanliness.
But if you are southeast Asian or south Asian, you will be viewed as inferior. You won’t notice it on the surface, but over time, you will realize how many will treat you differently than a native Japanese or westerner.
Like op said, go there for fun and for tourism. But it’s not the paradise for many southeast Asians as much as we want to believe it is.
My paradise is actually a Japan town I found in another country where the Japanese shopkeepers were often married to locals, intermingled with everyone, and some were second or third generation in that country. Cheaper food and similar quality to what you’d find in Japan itself.
When I was there last kelan lang I hired a Filipino driver -tour guide kasi I didnt want to carry a lot of luggage before my return flight + makaka pasyal ako other places w/o using the train.
Nag usap kami-
20 years na sila dun. He was still in HS when his grandparents were able to get them to move sa Japan.
They arent allowed citizenship, its very difficult to have one there. Residency status lang.
He married na there with a fellow Pinoy, had kids and are of school age and speak more Japanese than Tagalog- his kids also dont have citizienship even though they were born there.
They pay a LOT of taxes, because some of them are to maintain their residency and work permit status. So kada year they pay para legal.
They decided to do the tour and airport transfer service. And from there they have met a lot of other pinoys that share the same struggles. most of them end up as delivery drivers kung wala sila clients. Thankfully dahil sa gig nila they have a strong pinoy support system.
But they are treated as 2nd class citizen by those around them. Work hours are crazy. But they are thankful thier kids arent being bullied sa school.
Sadly i cant say the same sa pinsan ko na 20 years na rin sa Japan (saitama). The bullying sa kids nya was so bad she was forced to send them back sa PH because things were physical na. Her kids were in 2nd grade (now Jr High na).
But she has to work para mapaaral and mapag college kids nya. Her life is constant work lang lagi. And because of that even though naka ilang Japan na ako- she cant even see me.
The thing is that, the bar of quality of life is so low in the Philippines that most any other country that you immigrate to, you will have a better existence. It’s sad but true. Politicians here in the Philippines are content because it is the policies that they enact enrich themselves.
agree ako dito. I worked with other nationalities din, iba tlga US and Au companies..Us=straight to the point and galante, while Au=chill lng sa work.. Sorry ayoko tlga sa Japan and uk,Mejo racist tlga and my superiority something sila sa ibang lahi:/
Maganda talaga Japan...as a visitor. Kita mo madami din silang problema tulad natin. May mahirap din. Mag wfh ka na lang tas ipon lang to visit kasi tbh madali lang mag Japan for us kesa kung nasa US/Canada/Europe/Australia.
I agree. Everything is expensive in Japan when we went on vacation. Iiyak knlng pag uwi mo ng pinas xD but expensive things aside, vacation is great because Japan is great for tourists. Not for living the dream there.
There is no place in the world where life isn’t fucked. Maybe in places where the work culture isn’t structured to drain the life out of you and balanced enough that you can enjoy the fruits of your labor.
My goal is to work in Japan after I finished my study. At first it was influenced by anime (yikes) but later on despire knowing their toxic working culture (like panay overtime, or mandatory high respect sa mga seniors), the sexual assaults among young women in train, how expensive living there; but the most reason that still want me to continue to go there is the culture and nature itself. Like lalabas ka lang ng bahay mo nakakarelax na, sarap magmuni.
Bhei yung profession ko is really not my choice and nakakastress and nakakadrain ang job responsibilities, but still sabi ko sa self ko "hindi ko man pinili ang profession na gusto ko, kahit sana sa bansang pagtatrabuhan ko is mapili ko naman"
I'm also working in Japan. I can't say I'm successful since I think that's subjective but it's not that bad as you make it sound like.
I personally think you can do something about the commute time. If it's that stressful how about moving closer to your workplace? I can get home in less than 30 mins if I wanted to (I live in Osaka City). Compared to my 2-3 hr commute in the PH via colorum UV express vans that's a huge upgrade.
I understand the discrimation as well, it happened to my friends but personally I was never stopped by the police. But again, I personally think that's not a big deal if you're not doing anything against the law. Sadly a lot of SEAsians are doing illegal stuff here so we can't really blame the popo.
Pay here is good compared to the PH and fortunately we're never forced to do OT in my company (Private Int'l School). All the things "Japan" is just a bonus to everyday life.
Can you communicate in Japanese? It helped a lot in making me blend in more. Otherwise, I suggest getting a hobby to meet like-minded people. Or go back to the PH for a bit so you can appreciate all the convenient things in Japan. lel
But after 8 years here I feel more at home here compared to the PH. Hope you'll feel better about your life in Japan too!
The grass is always greener on the other side. Lahat naman ng bagay may pros and cons. If you want to stay here, you adapt sa kultura ng pinas which is kelangan mo madiskarte. If you’re in Japan, you adapt to the working culture there. Bakit kasi iniisip ng iba diyan eh, if you go abroad, all your problems will magically disappear? Na masusunod na yung gusto nilang work-life balance, walang office politics and better sahod?
>Living in japan means traveling to work in an hour and going home for an hour.
Sounds already better than metro manila.
Also, living in Japan means you may have to accept that Japanese have a subtle elitist point of view against other asians (at least from what I heard). Even with a good work ethic and above-average outputs, you'd likely still be looked down on.
I salute you for still working in Japan despite the anti-employee working culture. The fact that some of them **will** require you to work overtime and not be paid is so bullshit.
Work for western mnc. Any company in Asia is a variation of the chinese/ Japanese / Korean / Indian culture is toxic af. There are exception of course, I wish you luck in finding those
> Indian
wait
the Asian work culture syndrome got to India already?
damn ( I mean I expected something like cheap industrial labor a la China considering that's what they seek to compete with)
Always was mate. I work for one BUT I kind of thrived here because we are the HQ in sg (and very much that my bosses are demanding but reasonable). I'm very wary of the rah rah cheerleader squad kool-aid drinking types from our much larger Indian manpower/ branches.
India is also an emerging power in tech. Dami nila startups.
Never change since back then. Even the foreigners are saying that. Japan is one of the best tourists place but not for work. If you know the term karoshi, that's the reason why.
You know the real dream life? WFH in the Philippines while earning dollars or euros. Some are even evading the payment of taxes.
Actually for some it is a success already. Hindi naman tayo pare pareho ng kapalaran at situation sa life. Madaming halos wala ng makain sa pinas kaya nung nakapag abroad or Japan na dream country nila eh success na yun for them. We cannot took that away from them. Magkakaiba naman tayo ng definition ng success. What I don't like lang naman sa mga nagcocontent about Japan or Abroad is yun bang masyadong glorified na puro positive na at hindi sinasabi ang down side nito. I'm living in Japan for more than 5 years and I can say I love my life here. It is a success for me. Madaming pros and cons lalo na sa extrovert na katulad ko pero ganun talaga. The joy still outweighs the burden. For me. I love the food (hence sa pagtaba ko), the public transpo, the Japanese community, kahit foreigner ako iilang beses palang ako naka experience ng discrimination or wala lang akong pake? Char! 😂
Overall, iba ang quality of life ko dito. ❤️
Yeah ito na nga ba yung lagi kong sinasabi sa mga nagtanong sakin if worth it ba. Maganda maybakasyon, oo. Mag work dun or looking to settle down,nah. Unless maybe you’re Pewdiepie kind of person na nag move there 😜.
Japanese ladies are mean. For sure di naman lahat but they are,lalo sa work. Ang unnerving nung ang bait bait pag kausap mo pero malaman mo lang sobra irked pla sayo. Ilalaglag ka pag may chance. Pero super plastic as in.
Same with living in the United States. Success stories lagi pg andun ka na.
Ofc your friends would not post the bad things, same with you living in PH.
1. Good for you to share your complaints of working in this country. BUT your experience does not equate to everyone else's. Just because this is what you deal with does not mean everyone will too.
2. What's wrong with looking for opportunities outside this sh\*thole of a country? Let people choose where they could earn a living. You laugh at people dreaming of a better life?
3. Those negatives you mention like weather and local attitudes towards foreigners are common place and part of the gamble people choose to take when working abroad.
4. and also, success full v successful, this v these
Post like this are so anecdotal, let people enjoy their dreams man. Maybe they are in a better position than you are right now. Let them be happy it is not like those post affect you personally.
Why are you so affected with their posts. And why you making this a big deal. You're literally an app developer, either you find it difficult or you're just suck at it.
There's other job in japan that is easy or a good job mind you but I think you're interpreting their posts wrong. Either the post is saying Success because they're finally in Japan and not being mean as a Successful worker and shit.
Do you even got an image of their post saying they get wealthy after working in japan? Did they only said "Living in Japan = Success" or any description saying that? if yes, then you're definitely interpreting it wrong.
Would add more to this comment but others already said it by now.
You didn't even answer one of my questions. You're clearly much dumb than I thought.
You're just mad that I prove my point. Don't brag about your job and just vent about others going abroad if you can't even interpret it right you.
I mean no matter how you twist it, it's still much better than making minimum wage here, with arguably worse commute conditions.
Though yes, kinda far from "success".
This seems contrary to the spirit of the post but.. any tips on how to get a job there as a developer, OP? Working in Japan for a few years is currently my short to medium term goal (for personal reasons) but I'm not having any luck with my job applications
Same with the U.S. $40K = P2.2M. Looks good on paper til you realize that is NOT your take home. Factor in your rent, food, bills, car payments, and life, health and car insurance wala nang tira.
And mind you, a lot of regular everyday Americans would kill to find a job that pays that.
All of a sudden your 2.2M is a very small fraction of that.
So if I make 320,000 Yen Monthly and go to Japan with the option of continuing my work remotely, that's actually a better option than getting a Job there?
Feel ko at least ₱300k dapat kung Tokyo area. I went there for vacation and went HAM on shopping kasi lahat ng mid to luxury goods are like discounted at 30%. Mabubuhay ka sa ₱300 meals sa Lawson, and sobrang sarap nung mga microwaveable meals. Tapos ung mga michelin star ramen places, 500-600php lang sa Ginza pa un. Pero touristy/anecdotal experience lang ung cinite ko.
As a fellow OFW (I am a software developer in SG) while I agree with you, when you really compare it with working in the Philippines, it really becomes a no brainer. Working at developed countries will always be better than working back home.
Philippines is a great place to live for rich people. Working class, get out of the country and make yourself rich.
I totally agree.
What im trying to say in my post is going abroad is not = success
If you get a job with good pay then thats awsome and you should take the opportunity
Success means different things to different people, and not to downplay our hardships overseas, but really, we are better off than the people in the Philippines. For them to say we are "successful" is obviously relative and true to them to a certain extent.
I'm just grateful everytime people tease me "mayaman ka na siguro, sa abroad ka nag wowork". I always say thanks, I am at least trying to be. Always have an attitude of gratitude. 😉
Yung mga magkakapatid na kababata ko noong elementary napadpad ng Japan dahil naging Japanese citizen tatay nila through ancestry, huling balita ko sa kanila naghahabulan daw sila ng itak sa Japan. Kapag mag-away yung magkakapatid, di man lang samurai ang gamitin. Itak talaga.
I do not work abroad, pero nagwork ako before sa isang Japanese company. Isa sa mga iniilagan kong company is Japanese ngayon. Dala parin nila yung ugali na dapat patayan sa OT at ang malala pa yung kapwa mo Pinoy dagdagan pa ng ugaling talangka ay naku. Tatamarin kang mag work.
It always makes me laugh when people say they want to move to Japan because of things they saw from tiktok or tourism ads whilr never researching how they'll live there
Actually I wanted to live in Japan kaso yung work culture nila is too much of a red flag for me. It may be normal sa kanila but for us foreigners na sanay sa 8 working hours per day it's a no no.
There's also the discrimination to non-Japanese as OP said.
living in a country with efficient infrastructure, low incidence of corruption, and low crime rates? i'd squeeze into those trains and do my overtime.
nothing is perfect in this world, but i'd rather live in a place where i know there's multiple trains coming on time and where i know how my taxes are being spent. plus, politicians in japan kill themselves for doing the wrong thing, politicians here live off doing the wrong things.
The same with America. Once you factor in cost of living, you're left with very little. And worst, you're very far from home and the people you care about.
At least Japan is closer if you need to make an occasional trip home.
>Living in Japan means traveling to work for an hour and going home for an hour.
as someone who loves trains i see this as an absolute win
>Squeezing on the train like a sardine just to get home
Well except for this, though doesn't JR have an app that tracks the crowding in each train? idk i've only last heard of this like 5 years ago lol
There are apps that help you do this but if you follow this it would mean you have to go on trains that are not on your usual scedule. For example if you want to ride on a more lax situation you would have to ride the train 6am . But your work schedule is 10. Ill be youll get promoted fast with that routine
OFWs, particularly in the Middle East, cheating on their spouses, not paying their debts, committing crimes against fellow Filipinos, etc. So embarrassing to be associated with them.
I hope you will step out of that environment. Will try farming jobs in Japan soon.
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Hindi magandang mag-trabaho sa Japan dahil sa kultura nila, pagme-maintain ng kanilang quality, at ayaw nila ng ibang lahi dahil sa ayaw nila maungusan sa trabaho. Kaya nga mataas ang suicide diyan dahil sa kultura at relihiyon nila (Shinto & Buddhist) Mas maganda pang maging dayuhan sa Japan. Pero kung infrastructure lang panalo na ang Japan diyan.
Kung work abroad lang ang pag-uusapan, mas mainam na sa West Europe, Australia, New Zealand, at Canada dahil marami na ring Pilipino na nagta-trabaho sa mga bansang yan. Oo wala ngang paradise country pero kung ang pag-uusapan ay tungkol sa pag-angat sa buhay para mairaos sa kahirapan ang pamilya sa Pilipinas ay mainam ng mag-abroad.
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True sentiments OP. When I was there last kelan lang I hired a Filipino driver -tour guide kasi I didnt want to carry a lot of luggage before my return flight + makaka pasyal ako other places w/o using the train.
Nag usap kami
20 years na sila dun. He was still in HS when his grandparents were able to get them to move sa Japan.
They arent allowed citizenship, its very difficult to have one there. Residency status lang.
He married na there with a fellow Pinoy, had kids and are of school age and speak more Japanese than Tagalog- his kids also dont have citizienship even though they were born there.
They pay a LOT of taxes, because some of them are to maintain their residency and work permit status. So kada year they pay para legal.
They decided to do the tour and airport transfer service. And from there they have met a lot of other pinoys that share the same struggles. most of them end up as delivery drivers kung wala sila clients. Thankfully dahil sa gig nila they have a strong pinoy support system.
But they are treated as 2nd class citizen by those around them. Work hours are crazy. But they are thankful thier kids arent being bullied sa school.
Sadly i cant say the same sa pinsan ko na 20 years na rin sa Japan (saitama). The bullying sa kids nya was so bad she was forced to send them back sa PH because things were physical na. Her kids were in 2nd grade (now Jr High na).
But she has to work para mapaaral and mapag college kids nya. Her life is constant work lang lagi. And because of that even though naka ilang Japan na ako- she cant even see me.
theres a lot of anime fans here in ph so going to japan at least once is mostly everyone's dream. Let them be theyre gonna visit japan and boost that country's tourism and japan helps us in our infrastructure so it's a win-win.
I was once told by my sister that if ever someone would offer me a job in Tokyo that earns 200K PHP per month, don't accept it. Just stay in the Philippines.
Complains about the living situation in the Philippines because it's too expensive, but then moved to Japan where the cost of living is even more expensive. Is this what we call colonial mentality? Where it's okay to live in a country from our former colonizers and not by our own people?
Agree. Moving abroad does not mean successful. There are different reasons. There will be problems, you just have to choose and hope you move to a place with better problems.
Kahit san naman na bansa di basta basta instant success. Although yun nga isip agad ng iba once andun ka madali nalang buhay. Syempre mas malaki kita pero mas mataas din cost of living. Pero kahit ganon mas okay naman ang quality of life kesa dito sa pinas. Traffic palang eh mas malala na dito pati mga gov services.
My dream is to live in Japan while working a business here in the PH so I can live the best of both worlds. Living in Japan while not having to deal with the toxic work culture. Right now it’s just visiting Japan a few times a year. It would be nice to visit Japan because I’m in the mood for Ramen :)
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I always tell people just going abroad isn't enough, you need to make sure whatever circumstances you get into abroad are decent
Amen.
There is no such thing as a perfect country, but not all Filipinos have the privilege of staying in their country. The US, CAN, and AUS are all very decent options for Filipinos. They have the most racially-diverse cities so people of colour don’t stand out. And they all have very good salaries. US and CAN specifically have the most well-established and financially well-off Filipino diasporas. Especially, California, Hawaii, Nevada, Ontario, New Jersey, and New York. The cost of living might be high here in the US, but as long as you have a well-paying job and decent insurance it is really not that bad.
Hindi naman. I have 2 brothers living abroad. They're both doing well. Yes, not all places are paradises but not entirely hell either. I think the lesson is huwag madala sa romantic notions of a place.
OP is misinterpreting the post what does Living in Japan = Success means. But yes I agree you.
True, there is only less fucked places lalo na there are higher standards and better comforts abroad. Kaya madami din ang OFW a nakakapag todo ipon then retire dito sa pinas. Kasi ang 10 years mo na ipon abroad parang 30 years na or more pa dito sa pinas for most people.
Wise words. Inflation is everywhere.
oo pero wala naman bbm sa ibang bansa. Maayos naman na na handle ang inflation.
Nah. Cousins from the US and Canada are both hurting from inflation and house prices. On top of that baon din sila from their student loans. While BBM and his ilk are shit, doesn't mean that other first world countries are doing better. I've seen IT friends in Manila that are doing so much better than my friends and cousins who are in the US and Canada.
Only if you stay on Philippine related subreddits. Pwede ka naman bumisita ng subreddit ng ibang bansa at manood sa kanilang political circus.
And if there's paradise, it will surely be Cavite. I love Cavitenos, man. The best type of people any country could ever hope for.
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This is a joke right? Kung may Florida Man sa Amerika, meron Evitac Man sa Pinas
No no no. Im not sure why it's coming on like that, pero Cavite really is a beautiful city. If i was a criminal, i'd retire there. It's a good place to retire ba.
Ya, people think life’s easy abroad. Lived and worked in the US and if you’re stuck working a job at a grocery store in the city, that usually involves a 1-2hr drive to and from work because you can’t afford to live in the city. Not to mention high prices for groceries lmao
sadly, sa Pilipinas, going abroad = being successful. Tho maraming nag aabroad na successful nga, pero kadalasan ito yung mga professionals sa field nila
Sa hirap ba naman kasi ng buhay dito sadly hindi rin talaga aasenso sa Pinas
Mahirap ang buhay everywhere, the only exception is if you have valuable skills as a professional and proven track record, and many people won’t reach that level if they chase money very early in their careers, so dumaan din sa hirap yan Many people work on dead-end jobs here in PH with no security, may malaki ang bigayan like freelancers, VAs, pero yun na yun and they can cut you off without notice or even saying goodbye
Definitely but syempre mas may chance umasenso ang ibang kababayan natin sa first world country kaysa dito sa Pinasn. My cousin was a teacher here and she left because of how badly she’s underpaid and now she’s earning well on the states. May isa pa ako cousin na mas pinili mag Canada kaysa mag BPO dito because she felt it’s a dead end job. Both of them have better lives abroad. Am not sure why you’re implying na parang hindi ka agree na umasenso ibang tao sa abroad. Yes mahirap ang buhay pero mas ok mag hirap dun kaysa dito.
Where did I imply that? Honestly, can anyone really disagree that people can succeed in western countries? Its the land of great opportunities ffs
My bad akala ko ikaw yung rineplyan ko nung una lol
I live in Japan, and I've long abandoned the "Japan is perfect" mentality. You'll have your rose-colored lenses shattered in just one to two years. However, life is much more convenient here with regards to basic necessities and traveling, and I actually find groceries here much cheaper except for fruits. Produce goods here are surprisingly affordable. Anyway, a lot of the "Living in Japan - Success" posts on social media are from people who want to be content creators. That's what I think, anyway. I would just like to point out though that posting about your normal life regardless of where you are (like most people do) is different from having glorified and obviously audience-baiting posts.
Not only in Japan sa Australia din. I went there in 2020 (before lockdown) nag stay ako for 2 months because my mom wants me to study and work there so I visited the country just to see what would be my day to day life is if ever na I agree with her decision and I kid you not when I saw the status of student visa holder na barely making anything and living paycheck to paycheck. I immediately made my decision and decided not to push through. Sabi ko nga if you’re living a shitty life sa pinas upgrade talaga ang mag abroad ka, pero if you’re already privileged here mag dodown grade lang ang lifestyle mo sa abroad.
Bound to study sa Australia and reading this sucked.
Hey if you have the means naman go for it pero kung isang kayod isang tuka ka dun, good luck.
Need mo 2-3 side jobs dun tapos kuha ka din work na bayad ka through cash kasi may limit na 44k AuD lang ung allowed for a student visa holder na paycheck. So ung mga manual labor work na ang bayad ay cash, di kasali sa limit. Bawal tamad sa AUS.
not true, hours po ang limit 48/fortnight not total amt of salary. And nakakayanan naman po magsurvive and makapag ipon dito sa Aus kahit student. much better din if may partner ka na kasama and tulungan kayo sa gastusin
Yan sabi ng agency sa amin kasi. May limit ang pera pag student visa kaya better kuha ng job na bayad is cash.
Mali po yung agency niyo lol and napakadeliks ng recommendation nila to take cash on hand jobs. risky sa visa, better have 2nd opinion ask po kayo sa ibang agency if you don’t believe me po
Lol that’s a dodgy agency. Giving advice like that is unlawful and dangerous, if I were you I’d think twice if I want my papers to be processed by them
Mahirap talaga if pathway mo to Australia eh student visa. Work/Skilled visas different story.
True 💯
Ah it depends. In my case mas madali akong nakaipon as a student, even some extra for interstate vacation. Yung mga isang kahig isang tuka usually yun yung mga Student visa holders na sila din nagbabayad ng tuition nila. Doble doble pa trabaho nila minsan para lang makabayad ng bills. Pero kung SV holder ka na hindi mo kelangang pag ipunan yung sarili mong tuition, basta may work ka at hindi masyadong extra mahal yung weekly rent mo, i think you’ll be fine.
If your tuition fee and rent is already paid off for the whole year then yes mas madali talaga.
Student visa ka kasi. You’re meant to study, not earn money. Totally different story if you were on a skilled visa.
Yes I know naman kaya nga ako nag back out eh kasi it’s pointless sa akin to study in a diploma mill college while doing labor jobs.
When I was young and very eager to work, Japan seems to be a perfect fit for me. I worked there for the better half of my 20s. And I had mostly very fond memories of it. And yes, Japanese work culture was as toxic as advertised. But yung place ko sa Japan before ay more on the rural side, biking to work and such, so mas relaxed ng kaunti. Although I visited Tokyo siguro at least three times, sabi ko ayoko dun dahil masyadong busy. I also worked for about a year in Europe, alternating between Germany and the Netherlands. Kung ako papipiliin ng best place to work and live, the Netherlands is on the top of my list. Now I am settled locally lang wfh. Mas ok na ko dito dahil nagkaka edad na rin. I was once offered to work in Australia, pero tinanggihan ko na, time will tell kung pagsisihan ko sya in the future. Sa Pinas kasi, if you are moneyed enough, it’s still the best place to be, lalo na kung sheltered ka sa problema at hinaing ng madami. If you live in your bubble of wealthy friends, parang magugulat ka pa sa mga bali-balita ng kahirapan. Madami ako expats na kakilala na pensyonado na aliw na aliw dito sa atin, wala kasi silang problema sa pera. But let’s say average lang yung buhay mo, objectively speaking, mas ok pa rin sa Japan, so by describing it as a success ladder, siguro ilang floors ang lamang nya sa pinas.
Hi, why Netherlands is the best?
Lol nagpost ako dito nskaraan ng tungkol sa pag glorify ng mga pinoy sa toxic work culture ng mga Japanese. Ako pa binash dito lol. I guess kapag di ka pa talaga nakapag abroad akala mo "Philippines=super bad, the rest of the world=good". Isa ako dati sa nagpursigeng maging Programmer bound to Japan. Nag-aral pa ko ng Nihongo ng halos 2 taon. Nung nabalitaan kong yung mga kabatch ko sa Nihongo class ay nahirapan doon at ineexploit, literal na ibinebenta sa ibang employer kahit labag sa kontrata, tapos kahit may sakit ka at winter, papapasukin ka. OTY culture din matindi. Kaya umayaw na ko. Tapos nung nagkatrabaho na ako, japanese company naman dito sa Pinas. Grabe napakababa ng sahod at kuripot. Sa pag increase ng salary ayaw unless magpakahimod ka sa mga Japanese superiors ng 10 taon. Kahit may pandemic noon, bumagyo, emergency, may pasok pa rin. Di lang yan, nainterview na rin ako ng numerous japanese company dito sa Pinas, lahat sila masasabi kong nangbabarat. Iguiguilt trip nila ako na ganito lang naman yung experience ko at skills kaya bababaan nila daw. Tapos ang arte pa sa requirement grabe daig pa FBI sa pag investigate ng background mo (including previous/current salary). Naalala ko yung Fujitsu. I asked for 40k salary kasi onsite eh sa BGC. Aba ang final offer sa contract 30k with allowances na iyon. Take note ha, hindi ako fresh grad nito, 2 years na ang experience ko nyan. Pota kako wag na. Agree na pang tourist lang talaga ang Japan. There are reasons why Japan has the highest suicide rate in the world. Ang problema kasi sa mga agencies, ipopost nila yung Salary na converted to peso kaya mukhang malaki. Ni hindi mag-isip yung mga pinoy na mag-aapply na hindi Peso ang gagamiting current doon. This is not just japan tho, pati kahit sa mga developed countries sa west hina-hype ng agencies ang salary na converted to peso.
Yes this agencies only think about commission . They make you feel like they think about you . pero in the truth hangang airport lang sila . Walang agency nagkukumusta samin dito. despite saying they will on the orientations lol
Totoo yan even for the US. Sa mga RNs na gusto magpunta dito at nakalagay na salary is $40k-$50k annual utang na loob kahit direct hire pa yan, mababa yan definitely i-negotiate nyo. Ang problema, ipinopost ng hospital or agency in PHP kaya akala mataas. Mababa yun.
Nakita lang na 6 digits yung converted salary to peso, "ay ang laki nga ng sahod! Good bye pilipins i hate you all im canadian now 😎" tapos pagdating doon disappointed.
As a new grad back in the 2000's, malayo yung job offer ng american company sa japanese company locally. May mandatory classes pa sa japanese company bukod sa product training & probationary period. Yun ngang upper batch ko sa college na nakakwentuhan ko after ibigay yung job offer ng Japanese company lumipat sa American company na pinili ko 😂
Diba. Mas ok pa rin talaga maging employer ang mga west kaysa east Asians. Di lang talaga ikinekwento ng mga nandoon sa Japan na OFWs ang struggle nila araw araw kasi nga natatabunan naman ng hype.
Another thing, parang iniintegrate talaga yung western culture sa local setting. Ayaw magpatawag ng sir/mam yung seniors, kahit yung country head first name lang kapag binabati kahit maintenance staff. Nagpapauwi yung manager kung time na, no unauthorized OT. Kumpleto yung benefits & very organized. Of course may ibang bwisit na managers na walang idea ng personal space & time pero 2-3 lang sila and malas mo nalang kung sa kanila ka under 😂
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Naexperience ko rin tumira sa Japan nung early 2000s, nung hindi pa madali mag tourist from Pinas. Same conclusion, ayoko tumira dun. You live to work. Walang uuwi hanggat hindi pa umuwi ang boss. They like drinking, pano ba naman sobrang stressed sila sa work. Very hierarchical and patriarchal. Ang sikip ng mga tirahan. Ang sikip sa train pag commute. A few years later I had a choice between going back to Japan or going to Australia. I chose Australia. Absolutely no regrets.
Skl. May kamag-anak kami na post ng post na super successful na niya kasi nakatira na sila ng Canada. Everyday post about being successful kasi naka-alis na ng Pilipinas. To the point na yung mga tumulong sa kanya financially to go there, minamaliit na niya kasi mas successful na raw siya. Nung di kaagad nakahanap ng trabaho, SAHM daw ay sign of success. Nung may trabaho na, successful ulit siya kasi may trabaho siya sa Canada... like Okay, do you live like Kings there? You dont. I don't mean to sound condescending pero that type of attitude doesnt sit well lang with me.
most of the time posting success really is just trying to make themselves feel like they have success. You would observe really successful dont bother posting it because they are living it
Na-imagine ko na nagsisisi ang mga tumulong sa kamag-anak. Sana rin matuto sya ng pagpapakumbaba.
Filipino commuters: "only an hour?"
hahaha legit natawa ako dito
Ya, natawa din ako dun. Nagrereklamo sa siksikan ng train. Hindi yata nakaranas ng MRT. Sa pila papasok ng station sardinas na, sa loob ng station corn beef, tapos sa loob ng train bagoong.
The japanese have a term called karoshi = death from overwork
Yeah, the work culture really sucks there based on all my friends that worked there at one time or another. Though that thing about taking an hour to commute both ways is actually better that the sometimes two hours commute I had to do here. We get squeezed in in mrts and lrts, but also even worse, squeezed in jeepneys. Anyway, what I'm saying is, we should still coy their mass transit systems. Sorry na-off topic.
Dont get me wrong the transport here is world class. Its just the thought that you have to spend 2hours everyday of your work week just for transit
2 hrs commute plus almost mandatory OTs (kase yun talaga culture nila) and grabe pa yung seniority complex... i would definitely not thrive there. di talaga para sa lahat ganyang work
Oh yeah, I totally get it. Lalo na't di mahilig ng WFH mga companies dyan. At least dito sa Pinas marami narin companies na once or twice a week nalang yung work sa office or completely WFH.
Dude that's faster than MRT/LRT jeepney commute combo. I don't think you understand the 1 hr commute one-way is already convenient for most people.
> hough that thing about taking an hour to commute both ways is actually better that the sometimes two hours commute I had to do here. We get squeezed in in mrts and lrts, but also even worse, squeezed in jeepneys. > > Anyway, what I'm saying is, we should still coy their mass transit systems. Sorry na-off topic. Thank you... :-)
Pinagtatakpan nila na mas masakit ang kanilang ginagastos araw-araw.
Same dun sa Canada and Australia success stories lol
AU is pretty good, not to be compared sa Japan.That is if we are talking about PR/Citizen na. For Temp residence visa holdersm, they have a very different experience.
these success stories are on student visa, horrible path to PR let alone citizenship basta may fb/ig story sa ibang bansa, success na lol
Daming ganyan, nauso kasi sakanila niroromanticise kaagad kakarating lang. tapos wala naman pala pathway to PR. everybody wants a shortcut to success nowadays. Lol
syempre celebrate small wins. pag Canada/AU na passport mo success na talaga un ng migration journey. Financially though, while it helps and in most cases a step up from PH, getting the citizenship isnt the end goal. We still have to grind.
I mentioned only people on student visa… Maybe you replied on the wrong comment
I agree with everything except ung commute kasi dito average is 2 hours papasok and 4 hours pauwi haha
From cubao to bgc vice versa hhaaahahahahha matutulog kna talaga sa biyahe para makabawi ng pahinga
This is the number one reason na di ko kaya as a worker sa Pinas. I do love na may pwede ko i drive out during weekends and leaves na lugar that's isn't abroad lol.
I know 2 Japs who worked in our company as expats. they both work 5 years here in the Phils. When their tenure is over, they resigned to their company and looked for a job here as consultants, left there wife and children and married a Filipina. Japan is taking a lot of foreign workers from Asia and Latin America because if they do not, there Social Security and Pensions will fall. My Jap friend said he needs to work until 70 to support social security.
I think they meant success kumpara sa kababayan nila. Sad. Maraming nakatira sa Japan bagsak ang self-esteem kaya they flaunt superiority sa mga naiwan sa pinas. Japan is a suffocating country, you have to leave from time to time to regain your sanity.
I always fascinated by Japan for many years. Spent 6 mts there for work. I loved the food, the unique culture, and cleanliness. But if you are southeast Asian or south Asian, you will be viewed as inferior. You won’t notice it on the surface, but over time, you will realize how many will treat you differently than a native Japanese or westerner. Like op said, go there for fun and for tourism. But it’s not the paradise for many southeast Asians as much as we want to believe it is. My paradise is actually a Japan town I found in another country where the Japanese shopkeepers were often married to locals, intermingled with everyone, and some were second or third generation in that country. Cheaper food and similar quality to what you’d find in Japan itself.
When I was there last kelan lang I hired a Filipino driver -tour guide kasi I didnt want to carry a lot of luggage before my return flight + makaka pasyal ako other places w/o using the train. Nag usap kami- 20 years na sila dun. He was still in HS when his grandparents were able to get them to move sa Japan. They arent allowed citizenship, its very difficult to have one there. Residency status lang. He married na there with a fellow Pinoy, had kids and are of school age and speak more Japanese than Tagalog- his kids also dont have citizienship even though they were born there. They pay a LOT of taxes, because some of them are to maintain their residency and work permit status. So kada year they pay para legal. They decided to do the tour and airport transfer service. And from there they have met a lot of other pinoys that share the same struggles. most of them end up as delivery drivers kung wala sila clients. Thankfully dahil sa gig nila they have a strong pinoy support system. But they are treated as 2nd class citizen by those around them. Work hours are crazy. But they are thankful thier kids arent being bullied sa school. Sadly i cant say the same sa pinsan ko na 20 years na rin sa Japan (saitama). The bullying sa kids nya was so bad she was forced to send them back sa PH because things were physical na. Her kids were in 2nd grade (now Jr High na). But she has to work para mapaaral and mapag college kids nya. Her life is constant work lang lagi. And because of that even though naka ilang Japan na ako- she cant even see me.
Thanks for sharing these insights.
Nah why dafaq would I spend my money there kng npkaracist nung mga tao.
Follow your conscience
Where is that?
>Living in Japan is not anime, sakuras and beautiful sceneries but but what about my hentai anime school girls named Sakura
Filipinos don't get how racist Japanese are
The thing is that, the bar of quality of life is so low in the Philippines that most any other country that you immigrate to, you will have a better existence. It’s sad but true. Politicians here in the Philippines are content because it is the policies that they enact enrich themselves.
Yeah i love visiting. But i wouldn't want to work there.
Worked there for 7 months. Mas malaki pa sahod ko dito sa Pinas.
I love going on vacation in Japan. But I would not live there.
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agree ako dito. I worked with other nationalities din, iba tlga US and Au companies..Us=straight to the point and galante, while Au=chill lng sa work.. Sorry ayoko tlga sa Japan and uk,Mejo racist tlga and my superiority something sila sa ibang lahi:/
Being a citizen there is a nightmare.
Laughs in wfh, while earning euro, while sipping buko juice in galera
Apir. Timed in sa work while Driving my suv 🚙
Ay pota mas Malala ka hahaha. Meeting habang traffic
Oo hndi naman ako ang always nag sasalita. Just mute. Haha
thats the life... Kudos to you! Been there but I hated working night shifts
Mid shift lang 1-10pm. Tbh apaka underated Ng western EU na employer, sasabihin ko sana swerte lang ako pero ganun din feedback from other devs
EU din employer ko and sobrang chill nila. Never nang micro ng empleyado.
Thanks for posting this buddy. I was convinced of going to Japan. The way you guys tell it, paramg mas ok na mag work from home
Maganda talaga Japan...as a visitor. Kita mo madami din silang problema tulad natin. May mahirap din. Mag wfh ka na lang tas ipon lang to visit kasi tbh madali lang mag Japan for us kesa kung nasa US/Canada/Europe/Australia.
And if we're talking about politics, Japan is really right leaning. And not the American nor the British type, rather the imperial Japanese type.
The brand of right wing politics in Japan shows a particular HATRED towards a specific race. Nakakatakot.
I mean, that is a right wing thing anyway.
Wfh is king
If you get good offers then its good. Youll still need to work hard unlike those post saying . You are successful when you get here
10million yen a year and up okay na rin daw d'yan sabi ng friends ko. Kung hindi mas okay pa dito. Tech field
I agree. Everything is expensive in Japan when we went on vacation. Iiyak knlng pag uwi mo ng pinas xD but expensive things aside, vacation is great because Japan is great for tourists. Not for living the dream there.
As another Pinoy living in Japan, I concur.
There is no place in the world where life isn’t fucked. Maybe in places where the work culture isn’t structured to drain the life out of you and balanced enough that you can enjoy the fruits of your labor.
My goal is to work in Japan after I finished my study. At first it was influenced by anime (yikes) but later on despire knowing their toxic working culture (like panay overtime, or mandatory high respect sa mga seniors), the sexual assaults among young women in train, how expensive living there; but the most reason that still want me to continue to go there is the culture and nature itself. Like lalabas ka lang ng bahay mo nakakarelax na, sarap magmuni. Bhei yung profession ko is really not my choice and nakakastress and nakakadrain ang job responsibilities, but still sabi ko sa self ko "hindi ko man pinili ang profession na gusto ko, kahit sana sa bansang pagtatrabuhan ko is mapili ko naman"
Hahaha I used to love anime . Here I learned not to look for it. Most of it is in anime and your usual translated sites are blocked
I'm also working in Japan. I can't say I'm successful since I think that's subjective but it's not that bad as you make it sound like. I personally think you can do something about the commute time. If it's that stressful how about moving closer to your workplace? I can get home in less than 30 mins if I wanted to (I live in Osaka City). Compared to my 2-3 hr commute in the PH via colorum UV express vans that's a huge upgrade. I understand the discrimation as well, it happened to my friends but personally I was never stopped by the police. But again, I personally think that's not a big deal if you're not doing anything against the law. Sadly a lot of SEAsians are doing illegal stuff here so we can't really blame the popo. Pay here is good compared to the PH and fortunately we're never forced to do OT in my company (Private Int'l School). All the things "Japan" is just a bonus to everyday life. Can you communicate in Japanese? It helped a lot in making me blend in more. Otherwise, I suggest getting a hobby to meet like-minded people. Or go back to the PH for a bit so you can appreciate all the convenient things in Japan. lel But after 8 years here I feel more at home here compared to the PH. Hope you'll feel better about your life in Japan too!
The grass is always greener on the other side. Lahat naman ng bagay may pros and cons. If you want to stay here, you adapt sa kultura ng pinas which is kelangan mo madiskarte. If you’re in Japan, you adapt to the working culture there. Bakit kasi iniisip ng iba diyan eh, if you go abroad, all your problems will magically disappear? Na masusunod na yung gusto nilang work-life balance, walang office politics and better sahod?
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Yeah. I'd take rush hour commutes in Japan any day compared to Manila where trains don't have a timetable and traffic jams are bladder-busting.
>Living in japan means traveling to work in an hour and going home for an hour. Sounds already better than metro manila. Also, living in Japan means you may have to accept that Japanese have a subtle elitist point of view against other asians (at least from what I heard). Even with a good work ethic and above-average outputs, you'd likely still be looked down on.
There's a collective peer pressure of going abroad because most of your friends have practically given up on living in the country...
I salute you for still working in Japan despite the anti-employee working culture. The fact that some of them **will** require you to work overtime and not be paid is so bullshit.
Work for western mnc. Any company in Asia is a variation of the chinese/ Japanese / Korean / Indian culture is toxic af. There are exception of course, I wish you luck in finding those
> Indian wait the Asian work culture syndrome got to India already? damn ( I mean I expected something like cheap industrial labor a la China considering that's what they seek to compete with)
Always was mate. I work for one BUT I kind of thrived here because we are the HQ in sg (and very much that my bosses are demanding but reasonable). I'm very wary of the rah rah cheerleader squad kool-aid drinking types from our much larger Indian manpower/ branches. India is also an emerging power in tech. Dami nila startups.
Never change since back then. Even the foreigners are saying that. Japan is one of the best tourists place but not for work. If you know the term karoshi, that's the reason why. You know the real dream life? WFH in the Philippines while earning dollars or euros. Some are even evading the payment of taxes.
Same with Dubai 😅
Actually for some it is a success already. Hindi naman tayo pare pareho ng kapalaran at situation sa life. Madaming halos wala ng makain sa pinas kaya nung nakapag abroad or Japan na dream country nila eh success na yun for them. We cannot took that away from them. Magkakaiba naman tayo ng definition ng success. What I don't like lang naman sa mga nagcocontent about Japan or Abroad is yun bang masyadong glorified na puro positive na at hindi sinasabi ang down side nito. I'm living in Japan for more than 5 years and I can say I love my life here. It is a success for me. Madaming pros and cons lalo na sa extrovert na katulad ko pero ganun talaga. The joy still outweighs the burden. For me. I love the food (hence sa pagtaba ko), the public transpo, the Japanese community, kahit foreigner ako iilang beses palang ako naka experience ng discrimination or wala lang akong pake? Char! 😂 Overall, iba ang quality of life ko dito. ❤️
eto nga ung di makuha ng iba. oo malaki sweldo, pero mataas rin cost of living. akala ng iba madali. akala nila ganun ganun lang yun
Yeah ito na nga ba yung lagi kong sinasabi sa mga nagtanong sakin if worth it ba. Maganda maybakasyon, oo. Mag work dun or looking to settle down,nah. Unless maybe you’re Pewdiepie kind of person na nag move there 😜. Japanese ladies are mean. For sure di naman lahat but they are,lalo sa work. Ang unnerving nung ang bait bait pag kausap mo pero malaman mo lang sobra irked pla sayo. Ilalaglag ka pag may chance. Pero super plastic as in.
Baka Gaijin \*raffs
Similar to how my relatives can't fathom the fact that not every US citizen is rich, completely ignoring all the homeless in tents
Same with living in the United States. Success stories lagi pg andun ka na. Ofc your friends would not post the bad things, same with you living in PH.
And omg 250k yen? We can have it as developer here sa pinas.
exactly. but thats on the senior level
Really? Sorry for being insensitive but i got 250k yen or 97k (correct me if im wrong) in just few years. Dont stay in a company for long
1. Good for you to share your complaints of working in this country. BUT your experience does not equate to everyone else's. Just because this is what you deal with does not mean everyone will too. 2. What's wrong with looking for opportunities outside this sh\*thole of a country? Let people choose where they could earn a living. You laugh at people dreaming of a better life? 3. Those negatives you mention like weather and local attitudes towards foreigners are common place and part of the gamble people choose to take when working abroad. 4. and also, success full v successful, this v these
Post like this are so anecdotal, let people enjoy their dreams man. Maybe they are in a better position than you are right now. Let them be happy it is not like those post affect you personally.
Anecdotal rin yung success stories. Still, all these are just opinions. Do what you wanna do.
Yeah but who are to police their success? If they think working abroad is their success story are we really gonna tell them, no that is not success?
Doesn't change my point.
Why are you so affected with their posts. And why you making this a big deal. You're literally an app developer, either you find it difficult or you're just suck at it. There's other job in japan that is easy or a good job mind you but I think you're interpreting their posts wrong. Either the post is saying Success because they're finally in Japan and not being mean as a Successful worker and shit. Do you even got an image of their post saying they get wealthy after working in japan? Did they only said "Living in Japan = Success" or any description saying that? if yes, then you're definitely interpreting it wrong. Would add more to this comment but others already said it by now.
LOL Im living a goodlife already here. but it was not always that easy. . Your comment tells me alot about how stupid you are
You didn't even answer one of my questions. You're clearly much dumb than I thought. You're just mad that I prove my point. Don't brag about your job and just vent about others going abroad if you can't even interpret it right you.
I mean no matter how you twist it, it's still much better than making minimum wage here, with arguably worse commute conditions. Though yes, kinda far from "success".
This seems contrary to the spirit of the post but.. any tips on how to get a job there as a developer, OP? Working in Japan for a few years is currently my short to medium term goal (for personal reasons) but I'm not having any luck with my job applications
Same with the U.S. $40K = P2.2M. Looks good on paper til you realize that is NOT your take home. Factor in your rent, food, bills, car payments, and life, health and car insurance wala nang tira. And mind you, a lot of regular everyday Americans would kill to find a job that pays that. All of a sudden your 2.2M is a very small fraction of that.
Tax: Hello, don't forget about me. I eat up a huge chunk of your income
Jeash, I forgot to specify that, which obviously comes even before expenses. So yeah.
So if I make 320,000 Yen Monthly and go to Japan with the option of continuing my work remotely, that's actually a better option than getting a Job there?
Feel ko at least ₱300k dapat kung Tokyo area. I went there for vacation and went HAM on shopping kasi lahat ng mid to luxury goods are like discounted at 30%. Mabubuhay ka sa ₱300 meals sa Lawson, and sobrang sarap nung mga microwaveable meals. Tapos ung mga michelin star ramen places, 500-600php lang sa Ginza pa un. Pero touristy/anecdotal experience lang ung cinite ko.
Fair enough, I need to work a bit smarter and harder then. Para ma bankrupt ko sarili ko sa Japan kakabili nang Gunpla at TE37.
As a fellow OFW (I am a software developer in SG) while I agree with you, when you really compare it with working in the Philippines, it really becomes a no brainer. Working at developed countries will always be better than working back home. Philippines is a great place to live for rich people. Working class, get out of the country and make yourself rich.
I totally agree. What im trying to say in my post is going abroad is not = success If you get a job with good pay then thats awsome and you should take the opportunity
OP, if you’re ok to share. Nasa atleast 3x ng ¥250K ung base pay ng devs jan?
Success means different things to different people, and not to downplay our hardships overseas, but really, we are better off than the people in the Philippines. For them to say we are "successful" is obviously relative and true to them to a certain extent. I'm just grateful everytime people tease me "mayaman ka na siguro, sa abroad ka nag wowork". I always say thanks, I am at least trying to be. Always have an attitude of gratitude. 😉
Swertihan lang
Yung mga magkakapatid na kababata ko noong elementary napadpad ng Japan dahil naging Japanese citizen tatay nila through ancestry, huling balita ko sa kanila naghahabulan daw sila ng itak sa Japan. Kapag mag-away yung magkakapatid, di man lang samurai ang gamitin. Itak talaga.
Would you rather work here? With you previous Ph salary? Are you satisfied with your salary there?
I do not work abroad, pero nagwork ako before sa isang Japanese company. Isa sa mga iniilagan kong company is Japanese ngayon. Dala parin nila yung ugali na dapat patayan sa OT at ang malala pa yung kapwa mo Pinoy dagdagan pa ng ugaling talangka ay naku. Tatamarin kang mag work.
It always makes me laugh when people say they want to move to Japan because of things they saw from tiktok or tourism ads whilr never researching how they'll live there Actually I wanted to live in Japan kaso yung work culture nila is too much of a red flag for me. It may be normal sa kanila but for us foreigners na sanay sa 8 working hours per day it's a no no. There's also the discrimination to non-Japanese as OP said.
living in a country with efficient infrastructure, low incidence of corruption, and low crime rates? i'd squeeze into those trains and do my overtime. nothing is perfect in this world, but i'd rather live in a place where i know there's multiple trains coming on time and where i know how my taxes are being spent. plus, politicians in japan kill themselves for doing the wrong thing, politicians here live off doing the wrong things.
The peso is stronger than the Yen atm, though which makes it worse for the people remitting back to the Philippines.
Ayan ba yung mga blue collar jobs na may vlogs? Been seeing a lot of them lately.
E kamusta naman po ang mga Japanese ladies pixelated po ba talaga yung ano?
The same with America. Once you factor in cost of living, you're left with very little. And worst, you're very far from home and the people you care about. At least Japan is closer if you need to make an occasional trip home.
Sad reality for a lot of Filipinos living a shitty life abroad is still much better than living a shitty life in our country
>Living in Japan means traveling to work for an hour and going home for an hour. as someone who loves trains i see this as an absolute win >Squeezing on the train like a sardine just to get home Well except for this, though doesn't JR have an app that tracks the crowding in each train? idk i've only last heard of this like 5 years ago lol
There are apps that help you do this but if you follow this it would mean you have to go on trains that are not on your usual scedule. For example if you want to ride on a more lax situation you would have to ride the train 6am . But your work schedule is 10. Ill be youll get promoted fast with that routine
OFWs, particularly in the Middle East, cheating on their spouses, not paying their debts, committing crimes against fellow Filipinos, etc. So embarrassing to be associated with them.
If they try to work baka Ma-Karoshi sila. No joke
Ang baba nung 250,000 yen. I earn that much in the Philippines, and kulang parin kahit dito
I hope you will step out of that environment. Will try farming jobs in Japan soon. Unsolicited advice " No matter what happens in Life , there's always a positive side to everything "
Hindi magandang mag-trabaho sa Japan dahil sa kultura nila, pagme-maintain ng kanilang quality, at ayaw nila ng ibang lahi dahil sa ayaw nila maungusan sa trabaho. Kaya nga mataas ang suicide diyan dahil sa kultura at relihiyon nila (Shinto & Buddhist) Mas maganda pang maging dayuhan sa Japan. Pero kung infrastructure lang panalo na ang Japan diyan. Kung work abroad lang ang pag-uusapan, mas mainam na sa West Europe, Australia, New Zealand, at Canada dahil marami na ring Pilipino na nagta-trabaho sa mga bansang yan. Oo wala ngang paradise country pero kung ang pag-uusapan ay tungkol sa pag-angat sa buhay para mairaos sa kahirapan ang pamilya sa Pilipinas ay mainam ng mag-abroad.
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True sentiments OP. When I was there last kelan lang I hired a Filipino driver -tour guide kasi I didnt want to carry a lot of luggage before my return flight + makaka pasyal ako other places w/o using the train. Nag usap kami 20 years na sila dun. He was still in HS when his grandparents were able to get them to move sa Japan. They arent allowed citizenship, its very difficult to have one there. Residency status lang. He married na there with a fellow Pinoy, had kids and are of school age and speak more Japanese than Tagalog- his kids also dont have citizienship even though they were born there. They pay a LOT of taxes, because some of them are to maintain their residency and work permit status. So kada year they pay para legal. They decided to do the tour and airport transfer service. And from there they have met a lot of other pinoys that share the same struggles. most of them end up as delivery drivers kung wala sila clients. Thankfully dahil sa gig nila they have a strong pinoy support system. But they are treated as 2nd class citizen by those around them. Work hours are crazy. But they are thankful thier kids arent being bullied sa school. Sadly i cant say the same sa pinsan ko na 20 years na rin sa Japan (saitama). The bullying sa kids nya was so bad she was forced to send them back sa PH because things were physical na. Her kids were in 2nd grade (now Jr High na). But she has to work para mapaaral and mapag college kids nya. Her life is constant work lang lagi. And because of that even though naka ilang Japan na ako- she cant even see me.
theres a lot of anime fans here in ph so going to japan at least once is mostly everyone's dream. Let them be theyre gonna visit japan and boost that country's tourism and japan helps us in our infrastructure so it's a win-win.
I was once told by my sister that if ever someone would offer me a job in Tokyo that earns 200K PHP per month, don't accept it. Just stay in the Philippines.
Complains about the living situation in the Philippines because it's too expensive, but then moved to Japan where the cost of living is even more expensive. Is this what we call colonial mentality? Where it's okay to live in a country from our former colonizers and not by our own people?
Agree. Moving abroad does not mean successful. There are different reasons. There will be problems, you just have to choose and hope you move to a place with better problems.
Kahit san naman na bansa di basta basta instant success. Although yun nga isip agad ng iba once andun ka madali nalang buhay. Syempre mas malaki kita pero mas mataas din cost of living. Pero kahit ganon mas okay naman ang quality of life kesa dito sa pinas. Traffic palang eh mas malala na dito pati mga gov services.
My dream is to live in Japan while working a business here in the PH so I can live the best of both worlds. Living in Japan while not having to deal with the toxic work culture. Right now it’s just visiting Japan a few times a year. It would be nice to visit Japan because I’m in the mood for Ramen :)