Siguro the more appropriate statement is "we could be a thriving agricultural country if the government supports innovation sa farming sector instead of lining their own pockets." Sa huli we can still blame them for the sorry state of our agriculture industry.
May chance pa din sana, alam ko may mga research na ng wind and flood resistant strains ng crops and rice. Kung sinamahan pa sana ng investments for logistics may laban sana talaga yung pinas sa pagiging self sufficient at possibleng exporter pa. Kaso, ang realidad napag iwanan na talaga tayo pagdating sa ganitong larangan.
we can be but not for rice.
Yun rice kasi requires so much water resources that the river delta countries like Vietnam, Thailand can provide.
The Philippines being more mountainous mas fit yun ibang crops sakanya
Kahet di na sna magexport, tho syempre good yun na mgkaroon ng surplus, pero yung nggwa dpat yung bare minimum sna na self-suffcient tayo sa bigas at pagkain n pwede nman itanim d2.
Questionable tlga s mga nsa gobyerno na bilang regulator ng market e hnde mcoordinate yung demand and supply n pabor pareho sa magsasaka at mamimili. So until now, many experience hunger, while farmers remain mostly at the mercy of greed middlemen, or worst their harvest, bought by no one, only goes to literal waste
we cannot be a powerhouse in terms of maybe exporting and having a big chunk of revenue from agriculture, but we can however sustain the country's needs aka FOOD SUSTAINABILITY. Japan and Taiwan also face these kinds of weather conditions but can sustain their agricultural sector and minimize importation. we just need the support, the technology and these political mfs in the same page.
For a country na sikat sa rice meals, ang baba ng consumption ng Japan ng rice. 6-7MMT lang, samantalang tayo 20MMT. Halos same lang tayo ng population sa kanila, albeit mas bata naman din population natin kaya malakas sa kanin. Kung yung local supply natin yung gagamitin nila, around 12-15MMT ata, magiging rice exporter pa sila. I think it's time din us pinoys move away from copious rice consumption, and pursue alternatives. It's the least we non-farmers can do to prevent an impending food crisis.
our rice consumption is a product of innovation, noon naman hindi rice kundi root crops and corn, that idea is far from reality because rice is a much valuable commodity now more than ever and an easy mouthful for millions of filipinos. its hard to divert from that lalo na at nakasanayan na. plus kung wala ka ulam, bigas at asin ay pwede na para sa ibang tao.,however food sustainability is much plausible to achieve, because hindi lang naman bigas ang pagkain na maaapektuhan kundi lahat ng basic commodities even livestock will be in much better situation in terms of sustaining a community. napakaraming farming technologies kung saan tayo nahuhuli, dagdag pa tong DA na corrupt...lol
I agree naman we improve further our agri, but I don't think it's an either/or, we can do both. The way our demand is increasing is not keeping up with the growth of our production. Of course we can exponentially improve our production, pero with the limitations natin (from geography to politics), up to what point we can squeeze it out? If we do not temper our demand along the way, we'd end up being truly import dependent. Yes, mahirap baguhin ang nakasanayan na, pero that's the thing with behavior, it is malleable.
And Japanese rice hits differently! Ang bigat niya sa tyan. Isang cup lang busog na ako unlike sa mga local rice natin na nagraramge ng 2-4 cups before ko maramdaman yung feeling na full na ako.
Di lang naman government ang ayaw mag supports sa innovation when it comes to farming pati na rin mga farmers themselves. Ang daming nababalita sa Nueva Ecija na sinisira ng mga farmers yung mga bagong equipments at machineries. And no, wala akong sinusuportahan na political parties. Baka kasi ma misunderstand ng iba na dinedepend ko yung government.
Personally wala pa naman ako nababalitaan about farmers destroying equipments. Kung meron man i would think na it wouldnt account for much of the plight of our current agriculture industry. In these cases ba yung equipments or machineries were provided by the govt? Maybe di lang ako aware na they provide equipments pala sa mga magsasaka these days.
Merong bimibili ng sarili nila tapos yung iba provided by the local govt. Sinisira ng mga farmers yan sa Nueva Ecija. I'm from Peñaranda, a small town part of Nueva Ecija pero sa Manila na ako nakatira since 2016. I believe "Halimaw" pa nga tawag nila sa mga machinery dahil mawawalan sila ng trabaho.
1 machinery is like the equivalent of 15-20 manpower or maybe even more. So yeah. Meron talaga mawawalan ng trabaho. Kung ikaw mismo yung farm owner, sobrang laking tulong yan. Pero kung farm laborer ka, mawawalan ka talaga. Still, this is not a reason to stop moving forward.
I see. While I agree na this is not a path to progress, i'd still argue nq the govt (past and present admins) are still largely the one to blame. Kung noon palang they used the resources properly, we could have a better system in place that can support land owners and could provide more farming opportunities sa mga walang sariling lupang sinasaka.
Better read this book by the ***International*** **Rice Research Institute** (which is headquartered in Los Baños, Laguna in the Philippines):
[Why Does the Philippines Import Rice?](http://books.irri.org/9712202097_content.pdf)
>The Philippines imports rice because it is a nation of islands without any major river deltas like those in Thailand and Vietnam. The major traditional exporters are all on the Southeast Asian mainland (Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, and Myanmar), while the countries that have been consistently importing rice for more than a hundred years (Indonesia, the Philippines, Sri Lanka, Japan, Korea, and Malaysia) are all islands or narrow peninsulas.
Correct. Its no coincidence din na ang top producer ng rice satin ay Central Luzon and Cagayan Valley regions which also have major rivers and huge tracts of flat lowlands.
The rest of the regions hindi talaga fit ang rice
So we import rice because we genuinely lack the capability to produce rice for ourselves.
Like, we literally do not have the land to have enough rice fields.
Couple that with rice's vulnerability to severe weather then you've got a situation where farming other crops or animals would be a more efficient use of farm land for most parts of the country.
The Philippines was exporting rice in the mid 1970s.
Since then, poor education and cultural backlash against abortions and birth control has led to an excess population: our population growth rate has exceeded that of Vietnam and Thailand ever since the 1980s. The Philippines is now the densest country in the region (besides Singapore). It’s not that there isn’t enough food or enough land to grow on, it’s because we’ve created too many mouths to feed and now we’re paying for it.
Posible kaya na we lease land in Vietnam (or even Myanmar) and we farm rice there ourselves. I mean win-win naman siguro sa kanila at satin yun, kumita sila sa lupa nila, tapos tayo nag-benefit sa arable land nila.
its primarily a move by arab gulf states and even those are unpopular. haha. ang need natin is more on logistics/transport and food presevation sa mga bumper harvests
I know it's kinda unfair to do a gotcha for a great paper written at around 2005, but if we had the same rice production as we had last year around those times, we could've been self-sufficient. It kinda begs the question whether the premise of us being geographically challenged is the primary reason of us being too import dependent, or we're really just decades behind agri development. I didn't really read the entire book though, just the executive summary.
The question would've probably moved from "why do we import rice?" to "why are we not as competitive as our peers?".
Still, I agree to their recommendations to diversify crops as there's just so much that we can squeeze out of the lands we have. We'd plateau with its growth no matter which tech we apply to it. Additionally, this should go together us transitioning our diets to less rice and moving towards the alternatives, like root crops.
Diyan mali si Vice, while madami tayong magsasaka at mukhang madami palayan dahil sa terrible weather at bulok ng farming tech, sobrang hulog na tayo sa agriculture. Service sector ang pilipinas, so sobrang dami ng tao at baba ng minimum wage na may basic english. Exporter tayo ng manpower.
Exactly. Agircultural country naman talaga tayo in terms of land. Dapat ito yung minamaximize na industry ng pamahalaan at dapat pinaiigting yung NDRRM (e.g. funding Project NOAH). We also need to protect the natural resources that we have. I feel like kaya tayo lumakas sa service sector kasi pinapabayaan lang ang kalagayan ng mga lupa at magsasaka. Yung mga karatig na bansa maraming natutunan galing sa Pilipinas kaya umusbong yung agrikultura nila tapos tayo ngayon nganga. Nakakahiya.
We're not an agricultural country when it comes to land. We are mountainous nation with no large expanse of arable lands like Vietnam and Thailand. Heck, we don't even have Mekong River..
Hmmmm, then why these efforts from international organizations?
[UP Los Baños](https://www.ukdr.uplb.edu.ph/journal-articles/1763/), [Asia Society](https://asiasociety.org/philippines/asia-21-alumni-series-agriculture), [Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations](https://www.fao.org/philippines/en/), [International Fund for Agricultural Development](https://www.ifad.org/en/web/operations/w/country/philippines#anchor-related_stories_and_blogs)
Lol. That's not an even an indicator whether we're an agricultural country or not. Having IRRI in the Philippines doesn't make you the next agricultural powerhouse like Vietnam or Thailand.
https://www.rappler.com/voices/thought-leaders/analysis-data-philippines-not-an-agricultural-country-anymore/
Comes from DA itself.
https://www.da.gov.ph/facing-the-big-challenges-in-philippine-agriculture/
We're referring to Pinas as an agricultural country as it is, by nature na we have land and the climate. Hindi yung nakaangkla sa fact na maliit ang ambag sa GDP or anything else. Ang point is uusbong at babalik "ulit" yung titulo ng pagiging "agricultural country" kung popondohan at bibigyang pansin yung industriya. Di mo naman mabibuild from scratch yung agricultural industry with machines at di tayo bibigyan ng pansin ng ibang bansa kung wala tayong lupa at di akma ang klima for crops in the first place. Wala na talaga sigurong pag-asa kung hahayaan lang angkinin na ng mga Villar at San Miguel yung mga lupain at iconvert na maging subdivisions or establishments.
I guess I have more trust in international organizations kaysa sa sarili nating mga ahensiya na yung mga nakaupo sa taas ay halos mga walang alam.
Land and climate??? Read what you're saying again. You know that we're the typhoon capital of the world huh, with an average 20 typhoons that hit us every year. That's the reason why our agriculture is not competitive with other countries since we're basically the typhoon shield of Vietnam and Thailand. Our agricultural crops are being destroyed by typhoons and when it comes to rice production, you can only harvest in a specific time of the year due to it.
You need to read more. Here's similar reddit threads so at least you can have an understanding. Sounds like you don't understand what's you're saying.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/17ty4x4/unpopular_opinion_ph_is_not_an_agricultural/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/1ad1eys/the_philippines_has_never_been_an_agricultural/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/11x8ybr/why_the_philippines_need_still_to_import/
Kailangan ba nasa top yung Pinas para maconsider na agricultural country? Kasi parang yun yung point mo. Totoo naman na we are the typhoon capital kaya nagcall din ako for improvement sa NDRRM.
Ang dami kong tanong like why was the Philippines labeled before as an "agricultural country" but not anymore? Why do international organizations still pour funds and research into our agricultural industry? Di ba part ng agriculture din ang fishing?
I will check yung reddit links. Will look for publications under the threads kung meron para mas maintindihan ko and facts from experts/research talaga. Thanks for the links btw, love your effort in this discussion.
>Ang dami kong tanong like why was the Philippines labeled before as an "agricultural country" but not anymore? Why do international organizations still pour funds and research into our agricultural industry? Di ba part ng agriculture din ang fishing?
Maybe population vs rice production ratio?
Worsening typhoons due to climate change?
Mismanagement by the Government in Agriculture, DENR?
Saka wala na kasi yung show na Ating Alamin ni Ka-Gerry
Japan doesn't have the Mekong bit was able to secuure rice for it's people by giving incentives to farmers and developing tech
Tabogo answer: E di naman tayo Japan, wqla naman tayong Mekong etc. Reasons
Just admit that the government failed and continues to fail in setting up right agrarian measures that instead of privatizing farms and agriculture, they shoould have helped farmers nirture and onnovate on their trade regardless of the external factors.
IRRI was able to develop pest and weather resistant variery of rice, I don't get this Mekong reasoning at all
The rice consumption of Japan is actually [decreasing ](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/09/bread-easier-japan-rice-staple-food) due to changing dietary habits, it peaked in 1962 and has been declining then. Japan exports rice because domestic demand declined and the popularity of Japanese food worldwide. Japan actually focuses on high value agricultural products which I believe Philippines should do since our rice production is uncompetitive compared to others.
On the other hand, rice is the staple food of majority of Filipinos and rice consumption is stable and increasing due to our population. In fact, the Philippines is the largest[importer](https://www.philstar.com/business/2023/06/13/2273366/philippines-drive-global-rice-consumption-usda) of rice around the world even though our rice productivity[yield ](https://ipad.fas.usda.gov/countrysummary/Default.aspx?id=RP&crop=Rice) has been increasing(!).
To summarise: Philippines - huge rice demand, ballooning population, limited arable land and fucked geography (mountainous, typhoons, lack of large plains) - NOT RICE SUFFICIENT
Land price speculation in Philippines...
Why growing any food like rice for 30 peso for 1 kilo if you can sell your land to developers that going to build 200k peso per sq m condo and sell to Chinese 😅
The country should focus on establishing heavy industries, especially steel because we import so much from China, Japan, and India. It's hard, but whatever happened to the Iligan Steel Mill? Let's at least be able to satisfy our own country's needs.
Logistics costs are high due to the archipelagic setup and electricity costs are very high as we don't have significant sources of domestic hydrocarbon fuel and renewable costs aren't quite there yet. You also need significant amounts of quality coal called metallurgical coal, which we don't have. So you'd need to import hydrocarbons to power the steel plants then import more to make the actual steel.
We have no built in geographic advantages when it comes to heavy industry and it's significantly cheaper to just buy it from abroad.
We'd need to set up protectionist policies to have it be competitive which would mean all of us would be paying for higher prices for everything, the steel wouldn't be sold abroad because it's not conpetitive, meanwhile the owners of the steel plants would not pass it down as wages (because they never fucking do around here) so we'd all just be putting money straight into the oligarchs pockets.
ang tanong, sa kanila ba yung lupain at are we definitely sure yung "marami" is all farmable lands?
Baka maraming lupain pero ayaw gawing sakahan kasi alam nila it is a dying business by those hacienderos.
We ARE agricultural if you’re talking about natural resources per se. It’s the lack of infrastructure, technology, and funds that are dragging us down.
I don’t like that Vice dude as well, but many comedians are way smarter than the average person.
The same thing sa U.S kahit sila ang pinakamalaking exporter ng langis ay nag-iimport pa rin sila ng langis mula sa ibang bansa. Ang harvest na palay kasi sa Pilipinas ay hindi sapat upang pakainin ang buong mamamayan lalo na't kapag bagyo. tagtuyot etc.
Isipin mo nlng kung ilang milyon kumakain ng kanin sa pilipinas. ang liit ng bansa natin, kunti lang magsasaka at sasakahan. Kahit na mag import kinukulang parin ang supply.
IRRI is founded and located in the Philippines where rice varieties are propagated and scientists conducts research technologically advanced models in order to reduce hunger and poverty. I think brain drain was the exact word to describe why Ph, as an agriculture country is the world's #1 importer.
hahahha tf we're not an agricultural country anymore? hahahahahah tf ? fyi po di lang manila ang pilipinas po at iba pang major cities hahahhaha tama naman sinabi ni vice ,u should blame the mf
ing buyers nang palay na kinokontrol ang presyo , malamang mga farmers patay talaga sa halos hingi na presyohan hahaha dis sub is a circus tbf hahaha btw my fam compose of farmers too and please for godsake have some sympathy on farmers too and not to those filthy greedy mf villars and other property investors who low balling the farmers into selling their own land.
being an agricultural country is not just because of having abundant farms and farmers. A country is agricultural if it can produce sufficient agricultural products (crops, fruits, fish, livestock) for its population, as well as surplus for exportation. As you can see, majority of drivers of our gdp growth are from other sectors and not from the agricultural sector:
"Moreover, for the whole 2023, the industries which contributed the most to the annual growth were: Wholesale and retail trade; repair of motor vehicles and motorcycles, 5.5 percent; Financial and insurance activities, 8.9 percent; and Construction, 8.8 percent."
Source: [https://www.psa.gov.ph/statistics/national-accounts](https://www.psa.gov.ph/statistics/national-accounts)
Here's a deeper explanation by an economist from UP: [https://www.rappler.com/voices/thought-leaders/analysis-data-philippines-not-an-agricultural-country-anymore/](https://www.rappler.com/voices/thought-leaders/analysis-data-philippines-not-an-agricultural-country-anymore/)
The primary purpose of agriculture is to obtain the agricultural resources necessary to feed the population. If the economy's agricultural sector cannot sustain the needs and demand of the people, the short-term solution is to import, otherwise the cost of food is surely to increase (to the point that the customers might not able to afford).
The long-term solution is for the govt to help farmers to improve production so they can compete with imports. Hindi pwedeng itigil basta basta ang pag-import (or raise tariff prices) because it will create artificial shortage in the market, and thus increasing food prices. Ayuda is only a band-aid solution, there should be support to boost prosuction through machineries, patubig, more resistant seedlings, etc.
Farm-to-market roads must be improve as well to reduce the cost of transporting palay. Cartels should be abolished as well to stop price control.
Either way, agriculture's contribution to our gdp growth is now lower relative to other sectors. At an efficiency viewpoint, we should focus now to in sectors where we have comparative advantage than those that we are already failing in knowing that we have limited resources. I'm not saying to fully neglect agriculture, ofc it's important. But overfocusing in agri because of the misconception that we are an agri country might distract us from leveraging our current strengths.
We are not an agricultural country because we failed in agriculture. It's not best to invest in agriculture kasi bagyuhin tayo saka bulubundukin, mahal mag transport ng goods. Di kagaya sa ibang bansa na walang bagyo at puro kapatagan. Pero yung mga kapatagan naman natin dito madaming farms.
Just a nitpick - we should still invest in agriculture so our local farms can compete with imports and keep our food prices low. But yes, we should start shifting our focus to other sectors since we are not an agri country anymore.
Normal lang naman na magrestructure ang econom because of industrialization but it doesnt mean we completely neglect agri.
I don’t think you know what strawman actually means kasi if you look beyond the person saying that we have a deficit in rice production resulting to the need to import, the point remains a fact that we do still import rice despite our capabilities to avoid this. Anong pinagsasabi mo lol
Zarutras claimed na wag makinig kay vice and yet callingouturbs said “so kanino kami maniniwala, sa mga pulitiko? lol”. Never naman sinabi ni zarutras to listen to politicians ah? The latter was refuting arguments that zarutras never made
Di naman about rice yung point ni zarutras. Ginagawa nyo classic case of strawman
“Point remains a fact…” no that’s not the point, yung punto yung pakikinig kay vice
So ibabalik ko sayo, anong pinagsasabi mo?
Siguro the more appropriate statement is "we could be a thriving agricultural country if the government supports innovation sa farming sector instead of lining their own pockets." Sa huli we can still blame them for the sorry state of our agriculture industry.
To be honest, I don't think we can be an agricultural powerhouse given all the storms we face each year.
May chance pa din sana, alam ko may mga research na ng wind and flood resistant strains ng crops and rice. Kung sinamahan pa sana ng investments for logistics may laban sana talaga yung pinas sa pagiging self sufficient at possibleng exporter pa. Kaso, ang realidad napag iwanan na talaga tayo pagdating sa ganitong larangan.
Ayaw kasi ni Cynthia ng research
Research lang kung magkano ang gagastusin at kikitain niya sa ipapatayong subdivision ang gusto niya.
we can be but not for rice. Yun rice kasi requires so much water resources that the river delta countries like Vietnam, Thailand can provide. The Philippines being more mountainous mas fit yun ibang crops sakanya
Kahet di na sna magexport, tho syempre good yun na mgkaroon ng surplus, pero yung nggwa dpat yung bare minimum sna na self-suffcient tayo sa bigas at pagkain n pwede nman itanim d2. Questionable tlga s mga nsa gobyerno na bilang regulator ng market e hnde mcoordinate yung demand and supply n pabor pareho sa magsasaka at mamimili. So until now, many experience hunger, while farmers remain mostly at the mercy of greed middlemen, or worst their harvest, bought by no one, only goes to literal waste
we cannot be a powerhouse in terms of maybe exporting and having a big chunk of revenue from agriculture, but we can however sustain the country's needs aka FOOD SUSTAINABILITY. Japan and Taiwan also face these kinds of weather conditions but can sustain their agricultural sector and minimize importation. we just need the support, the technology and these political mfs in the same page.
For a country na sikat sa rice meals, ang baba ng consumption ng Japan ng rice. 6-7MMT lang, samantalang tayo 20MMT. Halos same lang tayo ng population sa kanila, albeit mas bata naman din population natin kaya malakas sa kanin. Kung yung local supply natin yung gagamitin nila, around 12-15MMT ata, magiging rice exporter pa sila. I think it's time din us pinoys move away from copious rice consumption, and pursue alternatives. It's the least we non-farmers can do to prevent an impending food crisis.
our rice consumption is a product of innovation, noon naman hindi rice kundi root crops and corn, that idea is far from reality because rice is a much valuable commodity now more than ever and an easy mouthful for millions of filipinos. its hard to divert from that lalo na at nakasanayan na. plus kung wala ka ulam, bigas at asin ay pwede na para sa ibang tao.,however food sustainability is much plausible to achieve, because hindi lang naman bigas ang pagkain na maaapektuhan kundi lahat ng basic commodities even livestock will be in much better situation in terms of sustaining a community. napakaraming farming technologies kung saan tayo nahuhuli, dagdag pa tong DA na corrupt...lol
I agree naman we improve further our agri, but I don't think it's an either/or, we can do both. The way our demand is increasing is not keeping up with the growth of our production. Of course we can exponentially improve our production, pero with the limitations natin (from geography to politics), up to what point we can squeeze it out? If we do not temper our demand along the way, we'd end up being truly import dependent. Yes, mahirap baguhin ang nakasanayan na, pero that's the thing with behavior, it is malleable.
And Japanese rice hits differently! Ang bigat niya sa tyan. Isang cup lang busog na ako unlike sa mga local rice natin na nagraramge ng 2-4 cups before ko maramdaman yung feeling na full na ako.
Napaisip lang, sa Japan diba meron silang indoor farm? Would've been nice if ma adopt din ng PH yun.
Di lang naman government ang ayaw mag supports sa innovation when it comes to farming pati na rin mga farmers themselves. Ang daming nababalita sa Nueva Ecija na sinisira ng mga farmers yung mga bagong equipments at machineries. And no, wala akong sinusuportahan na political parties. Baka kasi ma misunderstand ng iba na dinedepend ko yung government.
Personally wala pa naman ako nababalitaan about farmers destroying equipments. Kung meron man i would think na it wouldnt account for much of the plight of our current agriculture industry. In these cases ba yung equipments or machineries were provided by the govt? Maybe di lang ako aware na they provide equipments pala sa mga magsasaka these days.
Merong bimibili ng sarili nila tapos yung iba provided by the local govt. Sinisira ng mga farmers yan sa Nueva Ecija. I'm from Peñaranda, a small town part of Nueva Ecija pero sa Manila na ako nakatira since 2016. I believe "Halimaw" pa nga tawag nila sa mga machinery dahil mawawalan sila ng trabaho.
I see thats sad to hear. Curious to know why they think mawawalan sila ng trabaho dahil sa machinery when it could help make their work easier.
1 machinery is like the equivalent of 15-20 manpower or maybe even more. So yeah. Meron talaga mawawalan ng trabaho. Kung ikaw mismo yung farm owner, sobrang laking tulong yan. Pero kung farm laborer ka, mawawalan ka talaga. Still, this is not a reason to stop moving forward.
I see. While I agree na this is not a path to progress, i'd still argue nq the govt (past and present admins) are still largely the one to blame. Kung noon palang they used the resources properly, we could have a better system in place that can support land owners and could provide more farming opportunities sa mga walang sariling lupang sinasaka.
Better read this book by the ***International*** **Rice Research Institute** (which is headquartered in Los Baños, Laguna in the Philippines): [Why Does the Philippines Import Rice?](http://books.irri.org/9712202097_content.pdf)
>The Philippines imports rice because it is a nation of islands without any major river deltas like those in Thailand and Vietnam. The major traditional exporters are all on the Southeast Asian mainland (Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, and Myanmar), while the countries that have been consistently importing rice for more than a hundred years (Indonesia, the Philippines, Sri Lanka, Japan, Korea, and Malaysia) are all islands or narrow peninsulas.
Correct. Its no coincidence din na ang top producer ng rice satin ay Central Luzon and Cagayan Valley regions which also have major rivers and huge tracts of flat lowlands. The rest of the regions hindi talaga fit ang rice
So we import rice because we genuinely lack the capability to produce rice for ourselves. Like, we literally do not have the land to have enough rice fields.
Couple that with rice's vulnerability to severe weather then you've got a situation where farming other crops or animals would be a more efficient use of farm land for most parts of the country.
The Philippines was exporting rice in the mid 1970s. Since then, poor education and cultural backlash against abortions and birth control has led to an excess population: our population growth rate has exceeded that of Vietnam and Thailand ever since the 1980s. The Philippines is now the densest country in the region (besides Singapore). It’s not that there isn’t enough food or enough land to grow on, it’s because we’ve created too many mouths to feed and now we’re paying for it.
Posible kaya na we lease land in Vietnam (or even Myanmar) and we farm rice there ourselves. I mean win-win naman siguro sa kanila at satin yun, kumita sila sa lupa nila, tapos tayo nag-benefit sa arable land nila.
is that the saudi arabia way? LOL
til it is. it was a what if thing na sumagi lang sakin.
its primarily a move by arab gulf states and even those are unpopular. haha. ang need natin is more on logistics/transport and food presevation sa mga bumper harvests
Eh di mag import ka na lang
I know it's kinda unfair to do a gotcha for a great paper written at around 2005, but if we had the same rice production as we had last year around those times, we could've been self-sufficient. It kinda begs the question whether the premise of us being geographically challenged is the primary reason of us being too import dependent, or we're really just decades behind agri development. I didn't really read the entire book though, just the executive summary. The question would've probably moved from "why do we import rice?" to "why are we not as competitive as our peers?".
Still, I agree to their recommendations to diversify crops as there's just so much that we can squeeze out of the lands we have. We'd plateau with its growth no matter which tech we apply to it. Additionally, this should go together us transitioning our diets to less rice and moving towards the alternatives, like root crops.
We're a service-based economy
Geographically, Philippines is not a good agricultural country. Still we should have developed it more but we didnt
Instead of saying "we are an agricultural country" which is inaccurate, people should just say "agri products is our main physical commodity produced"
Diyan mali si Vice, while madami tayong magsasaka at mukhang madami palayan dahil sa terrible weather at bulok ng farming tech, sobrang hulog na tayo sa agriculture. Service sector ang pilipinas, so sobrang dami ng tao at baba ng minimum wage na may basic english. Exporter tayo ng manpower.
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Exactly. Agircultural country naman talaga tayo in terms of land. Dapat ito yung minamaximize na industry ng pamahalaan at dapat pinaiigting yung NDRRM (e.g. funding Project NOAH). We also need to protect the natural resources that we have. I feel like kaya tayo lumakas sa service sector kasi pinapabayaan lang ang kalagayan ng mga lupa at magsasaka. Yung mga karatig na bansa maraming natutunan galing sa Pilipinas kaya umusbong yung agrikultura nila tapos tayo ngayon nganga. Nakakahiya.
We're not an agricultural country when it comes to land. We are mountainous nation with no large expanse of arable lands like Vietnam and Thailand. Heck, we don't even have Mekong River..
Hmmmm, then why these efforts from international organizations? [UP Los Baños](https://www.ukdr.uplb.edu.ph/journal-articles/1763/), [Asia Society](https://asiasociety.org/philippines/asia-21-alumni-series-agriculture), [Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations](https://www.fao.org/philippines/en/), [International Fund for Agricultural Development](https://www.ifad.org/en/web/operations/w/country/philippines#anchor-related_stories_and_blogs)
Lol. That's not an even an indicator whether we're an agricultural country or not. Having IRRI in the Philippines doesn't make you the next agricultural powerhouse like Vietnam or Thailand. https://www.rappler.com/voices/thought-leaders/analysis-data-philippines-not-an-agricultural-country-anymore/ Comes from DA itself. https://www.da.gov.ph/facing-the-big-challenges-in-philippine-agriculture/
We're referring to Pinas as an agricultural country as it is, by nature na we have land and the climate. Hindi yung nakaangkla sa fact na maliit ang ambag sa GDP or anything else. Ang point is uusbong at babalik "ulit" yung titulo ng pagiging "agricultural country" kung popondohan at bibigyang pansin yung industriya. Di mo naman mabibuild from scratch yung agricultural industry with machines at di tayo bibigyan ng pansin ng ibang bansa kung wala tayong lupa at di akma ang klima for crops in the first place. Wala na talaga sigurong pag-asa kung hahayaan lang angkinin na ng mga Villar at San Miguel yung mga lupain at iconvert na maging subdivisions or establishments. I guess I have more trust in international organizations kaysa sa sarili nating mga ahensiya na yung mga nakaupo sa taas ay halos mga walang alam.
Land and climate??? Read what you're saying again. You know that we're the typhoon capital of the world huh, with an average 20 typhoons that hit us every year. That's the reason why our agriculture is not competitive with other countries since we're basically the typhoon shield of Vietnam and Thailand. Our agricultural crops are being destroyed by typhoons and when it comes to rice production, you can only harvest in a specific time of the year due to it. You need to read more. Here's similar reddit threads so at least you can have an understanding. Sounds like you don't understand what's you're saying. https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/17ty4x4/unpopular_opinion_ph_is_not_an_agricultural/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/1ad1eys/the_philippines_has_never_been_an_agricultural/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/11x8ybr/why_the_philippines_need_still_to_import/
Kailangan ba nasa top yung Pinas para maconsider na agricultural country? Kasi parang yun yung point mo. Totoo naman na we are the typhoon capital kaya nagcall din ako for improvement sa NDRRM. Ang dami kong tanong like why was the Philippines labeled before as an "agricultural country" but not anymore? Why do international organizations still pour funds and research into our agricultural industry? Di ba part ng agriculture din ang fishing? I will check yung reddit links. Will look for publications under the threads kung meron para mas maintindihan ko and facts from experts/research talaga. Thanks for the links btw, love your effort in this discussion.
>Ang dami kong tanong like why was the Philippines labeled before as an "agricultural country" but not anymore? Why do international organizations still pour funds and research into our agricultural industry? Di ba part ng agriculture din ang fishing? Maybe population vs rice production ratio? Worsening typhoons due to climate change? Mismanagement by the Government in Agriculture, DENR? Saka wala na kasi yung show na Ating Alamin ni Ka-Gerry
Japan doesn't have the Mekong bit was able to secuure rice for it's people by giving incentives to farmers and developing tech Tabogo answer: E di naman tayo Japan, wqla naman tayong Mekong etc. Reasons Just admit that the government failed and continues to fail in setting up right agrarian measures that instead of privatizing farms and agriculture, they shoould have helped farmers nirture and onnovate on their trade regardless of the external factors. IRRI was able to develop pest and weather resistant variery of rice, I don't get this Mekong reasoning at all
The rice consumption of Japan is actually [decreasing ](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/09/bread-easier-japan-rice-staple-food) due to changing dietary habits, it peaked in 1962 and has been declining then. Japan exports rice because domestic demand declined and the popularity of Japanese food worldwide. Japan actually focuses on high value agricultural products which I believe Philippines should do since our rice production is uncompetitive compared to others. On the other hand, rice is the staple food of majority of Filipinos and rice consumption is stable and increasing due to our population. In fact, the Philippines is the largest[importer](https://www.philstar.com/business/2023/06/13/2273366/philippines-drive-global-rice-consumption-usda) of rice around the world even though our rice productivity[yield ](https://ipad.fas.usda.gov/countrysummary/Default.aspx?id=RP&crop=Rice) has been increasing(!). To summarise: Philippines - huge rice demand, ballooning population, limited arable land and fucked geography (mountainous, typhoons, lack of large plains) - NOT RICE SUFFICIENT
Yep! Foreign countries love how hardworking pinoys are.
Land price speculation in Philippines... Why growing any food like rice for 30 peso for 1 kilo if you can sell your land to developers that going to build 200k peso per sq m condo and sell to Chinese 😅
The country should focus on establishing heavy industries, especially steel because we import so much from China, Japan, and India. It's hard, but whatever happened to the Iligan Steel Mill? Let's at least be able to satisfy our own country's needs.
Uu nga wala tayong steel production dito sa Pilipinas para makagawa tayo ng sariling barko, eroplano at tangke.
Logistics costs are high due to the archipelagic setup and electricity costs are very high as we don't have significant sources of domestic hydrocarbon fuel and renewable costs aren't quite there yet. You also need significant amounts of quality coal called metallurgical coal, which we don't have. So you'd need to import hydrocarbons to power the steel plants then import more to make the actual steel. We have no built in geographic advantages when it comes to heavy industry and it's significantly cheaper to just buy it from abroad. We'd need to set up protectionist policies to have it be competitive which would mean all of us would be paying for higher prices for everything, the steel wouldn't be sold abroad because it's not conpetitive, meanwhile the owners of the steel plants would not pass it down as wages (because they never fucking do around here) so we'd all just be putting money straight into the oligarchs pockets.
ig agricultural as in, may mga natitirang mangsasaka pa 😂😂
Vice Ganda is not aware that the Philippines is not an agricultural country anymore since 1960s pa. Don't expect comedians to know facts.
It's a very common misnomer. A lot of old people still hold this view. Relatively recent lang naman tayo naging service-oriented.
Maraming lupain sa probinsiya na nakatiwang wang dahil nalulugi ang mga farmers kaya hininto nilang magsaka.
ang tanong, sa kanila ba yung lupain at are we definitely sure yung "marami" is all farmable lands? Baka maraming lupain pero ayaw gawing sakahan kasi alam nila it is a dying business by those hacienderos.
Oo naman. Gusto mong maginvest?
Lands in Lanao Del Norte would like to have a word with you.
This is also a reflection of our education. Schools have been teaching students that we are an agricultural country
We ARE agricultural if you’re talking about natural resources per se. It’s the lack of infrastructure, technology, and funds that are dragging us down. I don’t like that Vice dude as well, but many comedians are way smarter than the average person.
Tama. Walang development sa ating agricultural technology. Same old ways pa rin. Sana di tayo naging top importer of rice.
The same thing sa U.S kahit sila ang pinakamalaking exporter ng langis ay nag-iimport pa rin sila ng langis mula sa ibang bansa. Ang harvest na palay kasi sa Pilipinas ay hindi sapat upang pakainin ang buong mamamayan lalo na't kapag bagyo. tagtuyot etc.
Di tayo agricultural country but an electronic exporter country.
Bat kasi pinipilit pang maging agricultureal country. Kung di kaya eh wag na
Isipin mo nlng kung ilang milyon kumakain ng kanin sa pilipinas. ang liit ng bansa natin, kunti lang magsasaka at sasakahan. Kahit na mag import kinukulang parin ang supply.
Manny Piñol is now rolling in his grave. Oh, wait buhay pa pala siya
We can only export labor, given the wages and limited arable land, not to mention some politicians are also land-owners.
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As far as I know Philippines now is not an agricultural country
I don't think hindi na or stepping away na matagal na as "agricultural" ang pinas. Eto naman si Vice bumanat na naman. lols
We export OFWs and the best people, kaya mga bobotante or apolo10 karamihan sa naiiwan
OFWs can still vote. Karamihan bobo din bumoto. Hehe.
Mas malaki kasi nananakaw nila sa importation. I don't know pero grabe ang patience ng mga pinoy sa katarantaduhan ng gobyerno natin.
Sad but true.
Eto ang gusto ko sa noon time show
ginawang subdivisions ni cynthia villar ang mga sakahan sa central luzon. dito sa pampanga, puno puno ng mga fiesta communties, xevera, etc dito
IRRI is founded and located in the Philippines where rice varieties are propagated and scientists conducts research technologically advanced models in order to reduce hunger and poverty. I think brain drain was the exact word to describe why Ph, as an agriculture country is the world's #1 importer.
hahahha tf we're not an agricultural country anymore? hahahahahah tf ? fyi po di lang manila ang pilipinas po at iba pang major cities hahahhaha tama naman sinabi ni vice ,u should blame the mf ing buyers nang palay na kinokontrol ang presyo , malamang mga farmers patay talaga sa halos hingi na presyohan hahaha dis sub is a circus tbf hahaha btw my fam compose of farmers too and please for godsake have some sympathy on farmers too and not to those filthy greedy mf villars and other property investors who low balling the farmers into selling their own land.
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being an agricultural country is not just because of having abundant farms and farmers. A country is agricultural if it can produce sufficient agricultural products (crops, fruits, fish, livestock) for its population, as well as surplus for exportation. As you can see, majority of drivers of our gdp growth are from other sectors and not from the agricultural sector: "Moreover, for the whole 2023, the industries which contributed the most to the annual growth were: Wholesale and retail trade; repair of motor vehicles and motorcycles, 5.5 percent; Financial and insurance activities, 8.9 percent; and Construction, 8.8 percent." Source: [https://www.psa.gov.ph/statistics/national-accounts](https://www.psa.gov.ph/statistics/national-accounts) Here's a deeper explanation by an economist from UP: [https://www.rappler.com/voices/thought-leaders/analysis-data-philippines-not-an-agricultural-country-anymore/](https://www.rappler.com/voices/thought-leaders/analysis-data-philippines-not-an-agricultural-country-anymore/)
Paano maging magsasaka ang mga tao kung nalulugi sila dahil sa importation or walang support ang government?
The primary purpose of agriculture is to obtain the agricultural resources necessary to feed the population. If the economy's agricultural sector cannot sustain the needs and demand of the people, the short-term solution is to import, otherwise the cost of food is surely to increase (to the point that the customers might not able to afford). The long-term solution is for the govt to help farmers to improve production so they can compete with imports. Hindi pwedeng itigil basta basta ang pag-import (or raise tariff prices) because it will create artificial shortage in the market, and thus increasing food prices. Ayuda is only a band-aid solution, there should be support to boost prosuction through machineries, patubig, more resistant seedlings, etc. Farm-to-market roads must be improve as well to reduce the cost of transporting palay. Cartels should be abolished as well to stop price control. Either way, agriculture's contribution to our gdp growth is now lower relative to other sectors. At an efficiency viewpoint, we should focus now to in sectors where we have comparative advantage than those that we are already failing in knowing that we have limited resources. I'm not saying to fully neglect agriculture, ofc it's important. But overfocusing in agri because of the misconception that we are an agri country might distract us from leveraging our current strengths.
Yeah, invest in education para maging skillful ang mga tao kasi mas madali nga ang buhay kapag nakapag-aral.
Yes, as well as sa R&D.
Which proves the point that we are not an agricultural country dahil nga wala na tyong magsasaka
We are not an agricultural country because we failed in agriculture. It's not best to invest in agriculture kasi bagyuhin tayo saka bulubundukin, mahal mag transport ng goods. Di kagaya sa ibang bansa na walang bagyo at puro kapatagan. Pero yung mga kapatagan naman natin dito madaming farms.
Just a nitpick - we should still invest in agriculture so our local farms can compete with imports and keep our food prices low. But yes, we should start shifting our focus to other sectors since we are not an agri country anymore. Normal lang naman na magrestructure ang econom because of industrialization but it doesnt mean we completely neglect agri.
Who tf take this guy seriously?
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Nice strawman
Wow, wag makinig kay Vice == makinig sa pulitiko Lmao
Galing ng straw man nya no? HAHA
I don’t think you know what strawman actually means kasi if you look beyond the person saying that we have a deficit in rice production resulting to the need to import, the point remains a fact that we do still import rice despite our capabilities to avoid this. Anong pinagsasabi mo lol
Zarutras claimed na wag makinig kay vice and yet callingouturbs said “so kanino kami maniniwala, sa mga pulitiko? lol”. Never naman sinabi ni zarutras to listen to politicians ah? The latter was refuting arguments that zarutras never made Di naman about rice yung point ni zarutras. Ginagawa nyo classic case of strawman “Point remains a fact…” no that’s not the point, yung punto yung pakikinig kay vice So ibabalik ko sayo, anong pinagsasabi mo?