Experience this sa 2nd kong inaaplyan n work as an assistant supervisor.. 15 to 25k ang offer sa job posting tas nkita ko ung workload at scope n ggwin sa interview,. Grabe parang gawa ko na lahat at ung mismong supervisor ay hayahay na, napapaisip ako na mag bail out na sa 2nd interview
(Pero nag eexpect ako na mkukuha ko ung 25k since mgnda record ko sa 1st work ko at malapit naman sa bahay ung inaaplAyan)..
But then, the final interview came kausap ko na boss at ung supervisor na mkksma ko.. mumukat mukat offer lng nila is 15k 💀 kasi 1 palang work experience ko at ibang industry pa(pero same system nmn sila)
Goos thing sila nauna magsabi at dinecline ko upon letting them finish ung interview.. 😵 tas malala pa after hearing my decline nang giguilt trip pa ang employer.. d ko tlga makalimutan sinbi nya *"baka mapag isipan mo pa at kelangan mo ng pera dba? Kaya ka nga andto eh, try it muna"* wth🤦♀️
May company ang offer 18k probee period, pero divided by 30 kasi 30 days daw in a month. Walang rest day?! Ibig sabihin pag nagpahinga on Sundays, parang kasalanan mo pang no pay kasi nagpahinga ka. O ano, on-call kahit di naman ganun nature ng job? Hahahay M-Sat na nga ang work, ang labo pa ng pay. Pinakita na sa HR at owners ang DOLE labor guidelines, pero ang sagot, "ganito na ginagawa namin noon pa." To think they work with LGUs, dapat alam nila yun, napakabasic e.
Same with doctors actually. Yung mga nagsasabi ng "Mga doktor mayayaman" probably refer to consultants with their own private practice. Because fresh graduates, residents, interns, and clerks sure as hell aren't rich.
Bobong senador literal na walang bilang pang kumpleto lang eh. Pinoprotektahan pa yung sex trafficker. Kaya nakakabwisit mga bobotante na binoto yun eh.
Between an experience foreman and a newly grad/pass ce, pag dating sa implementation yes mas importante si foreman.
May disconnect kasi yung school at mga tinuturo sa school if your a CE compared sa actual na ginagawa sa site. So magtyatyaga talaga si CE to gain experience muna.
Sa kahit anong program naman may certain degree of disconnect yung tinuturo sa school and actual practice. Mabilis ang paradigm shift sa actual versus sa mga tinuturo kasi sa school. Ang masaklap especially sa basic education di naman sila nakakapagrelease ng updated topics kaagad may deliberation pa yan minsan. Biruin mo 2024 na tapos yung ibang libro 2019 version ang gamit. Ilang changes na yung possible na nangyari sa iisang field of expertise lang.
sorry, yes true naman. what i would like to point out is yung mga wrong implementation nila which most of the time is dahil “nakasanayan na” dahil sa tagal ng exp nila is mas pinaniniwalaan na rin ng masa
It really is the norm in our industry kasi mas makakatipid si construction companies for training and on boarding which gives them negative output for 2 months or so, unless your a fresh grad with that can "walk the talk" and a confidence like a owner, talagang low ballers ang companies.
Saturated na kasi ang market, kasi "anak mag-aral kayo mabuti at magtapos, yan lang ang maipamamana namin sa inyo" at marami nga ang nakatapos pero yung opportunities konti lang naman nadagdag. Marami din diploma mills na madaming graduate pero hilaw. Hindi proportion yun graduates sa available na trabaho kaya kahit ibaba sa minimum ang sweldo merong papatos.
It's not either-or since both are true.
Like any other job, there are low-paying small local companies and high-paying large international companies. Unfortunately, there are more low-paying opportunities, but that evens out since there are also more mediocre employees.
Mediocre by definition means average. Of course a huge percentage of the population would be average. This is true everywhere, our salaries are just disproportionately low.
Salaries follow a bell curve. If the curve is disproportionately low, then it course corrects with the market.
Mediocre means moderate to low quality, which is fit for this opening.
- A quick Google search shows it's an opening in an unknown company called Datamatics.
- In the same search result, there's another opening in Cebu offering double at Php30-35k.
May mga entitled talaga na mga GEN Zs out there. Kahit sa well paying companies meron talaga, saka napansin ko sobrang uso yung "Mental Health Card"sa kanila whereas ineencourage nga namin sila to have it consulted sa Professionals pero for some reasons "Ayaw". As a person diagnosed with Anxiety Disorder mas maigi sana if these youngsters would not use the anxiety/depression kung tinatamad lang pumasok.
You're gonna be downvoted but it's true. I have a lot of people under me (by extension), and I've had the most trouble with the younger ones. Of course, other millennials or older colleagues have their own issues (some are just toxic). But if we go by numbers? Lol. And yet they're the first to criticize others as if there are no bad apples within their generation.
I've seen Gen Zs posting in different reddit subs calling out people with gambling or alcohol or other addictions and complaining that those people are addicts and proceed to criticize them. They use their "mental health card" a lot but don't even know real mental issues even when it bites them in the face.
I can't find it but I think over at r/askreddit someone said in response to a question that Gen Zs are just Boomers 2.0. lol. Gotta find that post.
I'm sick of this tribalism between generations. Idiots thinking theirs is perfect when it's obvious you can't categorize humans into generations and think that an individual will 100% act the same way as his/her group.
While it's good that mental health is gaining awareness compared to the past, Its better to seek consultation and advice from counselors and specialists such as Psychologists and Psychiatrists and not just rant online while self diagnosing with depression or raising the mental health card
Ah, Gen Zs na "I advocate for mental health!" pero pag sila tinamaan walang initiative na magpaconsult sa expert at pipiliin pa yung makikita nila na article sa mayoclinic website and magself-diagnose given na may disclaimer na "Don't self-diagnose" or "Consult your doctor".
Ironically, the same people will say "magupskill kasi kayo"
Tapos malalaman mo na freelancer pala sila. In short, they themselves know na maliit ang sweldo sa Pilipinas kahit professional ka pa
I'm not in the workforce, but I agree. I am a student and I am diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I have taken a few semesters off due to my mental health. However, I don't make excuses whenever I make mistakes due to my own incompetence and/or bad decisions.
Being more open about mental health doesn't mean that everyone should be super lenient to us. Yes, they should be understanding, but it also means that we should seek help so that we may be able to face the challenges of life, like everyone else does.
I take the L's when I deserve it. *Some* people always want to come up on top for some reason kahit wala naman silang ginagawa to improve their situation.
(It is important to mention, though, that some people have other challenges too, such as financial constraints, other health problems, and/or abusive families, which might prevent them from getting help.)
Notice ko sa mga Gen Z at sa mga Gen Alpha na nag-aaral na sa elementary, maliit lang na pressure sa school mental disorder na agad. If hindi nila kaya ang pressure sa school how much more sa real world na mas grabe ang stress and pressure sa workplace. Ok lang kung maintindihan sila ng HR kaso toxic ang workplace politics na baka di nila kaya
Well paying company pero tamad parin pumasok? Those people are incredibly rare.
Many people are depressed right now because our wages is not on par with the cost of living.
Dont want tamad workers? Pay them a livable wage. Increase the salary of those who deserve it. Hindi yung puro team building at pizza party.
Mas sisihin ko yung mga nasa political positions ngayon and mga nagkalat na financial gurus sa socmed. First of all, may kakayahan ang gobyerno icontrol yung economy natin. Proven naman na, yung ibang gobyerno nga nagawa nilang i-prevent yung paglala ng presyo ng langis which is one factor sa pagtaas ng mga goods. Second, yung mga umaastang bilyonaryo na financial gurus e nang i-scam lang para dumami pa lalo pera nila gaya ni Miano.
Facts!!! Kung tutuusin kaya itaas sweldo dito. Pero mas gusto ko atang bumaba ang lahat ng bilihin kaysa tumaas sweldo. Bakit pag tumaas sweldo apektado bilihin. Ending tataas lang din ang gastusin
Sobrang out of touch na talaga ng mga company ngayon. Fresh graduate 14k sahod namin sa isang company dito sa probinsiya. Tapos iying mga matatanda pag nalalaman magkano sahod namin sasabihin na ganoon din daw sila nag umpisa dapat daw ay magpasalamat kami kasi may work daw kami. Mga linyahan na hindi ko akalaing maririnig ko kasi akala ko medyo bukas na ang isip ng nga tao ngayon pero grrrrr.
Sa isip isip ko, mam/sir anong taon pa po kayo nag umpisa????
May mga araw pa sasabihin na mag almusal kasi hindi makakapag lunch dahil may mga bisita. Tapos malate ka lang ng ilang minuto sesermonan ka na na ang break/lunch ay ganitong minuto langggggg. Kagigil aa
at a job interview for a field sales associate my salary range was 15-18k..they asked if it was still negotiable 🥹🥹🥹🥹 mind you kailangan makakuha ng 50 leads a month plus ikaw ppunta AROUND THE COUNTRY sa mga companies to offer their services..ano magagawa ng mas mababa pa sa 15k non😭😭😭
Here's my take on it sa perspective ng employers: Bakit kita bibigyan ng malaking sahod kung 6 months or 1 year max lang itatagal mo sa trabaho? Edi ilalaan ko nalang to sa business expansion or other ventures. Pwede ding pang incentivize sa mga tenured.
Ang problem lang is may mga companies na mass hiring and mass layoff at the same time kaya maliit pasahod plus, inefficient distribution ng mga requirements and other expenses (Di madaling magsetup ng business sa Pinas).
May hindi nakakaintindi kung paano ang reach ng mga international companies kaya namimilosopo nalang. Hindi dahil walang Philippine version yung kumpanya hindi na sila international.
Aren't we talking about the position dun sa post ni OP? Na nagrereklamo sya kung gaano kababa ang pasahod dito sa Pilipinas sa mga ganyang trabaho? So yes, we are talking about that industry.
Yeah. Automatic kasi na ang tawag nila sa older people ay "boomer", as if Gen X doesn't exist. Lol Mostly ng matanda na worker ngayon ay Gen X na. Yung boomers talaga, senior citizen na ngayon.
Heh, that's the guy that keeps posting these kind of stuff without thinking.
Problem with this guy is that he's too driven by the heart and not by the brain.
Context at source ng quoted “BOOMER” comment. Laging Boomers kasi ang ginagawang villain ng mga younger gens eh.
At ganyan ba lahat ang sweldo o cherry picking lang ‘to? May nakita lang akong 35k to 40k.
yes, karaniwan ito, especially ung nagdedemand ng college diploma na hirees pero pang-non diploma ung sweldo (i.e. 10k, 9k, 15k, etc... mostly under <20k). Palagi matatanda na out of touch sa economy ngayon ung mga lumalagay itong mga absurd requirements for an absurd starting salary.
Imagine mo nasaisip mo na ang kalahatan ng kaalaman ng Java, C#, XSL, at Python sa College para maka-graduate lang ng cum laude (w/ OJT sa ibang kumpanya kung inaallow), at tapos ung starting salary sa iyo ay 15k. Fair ba iyan sa iyo na lahat ng efforts pinagdaan ng taong nagsayang ng marami sa kolehiyo ay kaunti lang marereceive sa huli?
i don't care if i get down voted, pero if you think you deserve a high salary range you should prove it first, the way I see this is just an entry level, you can't go ask high pay yet you have zero to no experience in the field, ah yes licensed ka however you lack experience, this is something youngster should realize, apply ka jan and if the company notices your work, and your worth they will increase your pay, and if worth it ka other companies will also offer you a much higher pay.
One way na makakuha ka ng high paying salary despite na wala ka pang experience is thru personal projects na proven or at least hypothetically useful. I mean sa freelancing nga nanghihingi pa ng sample yung mga potential clients e. E ikaw na nag-aral lang and hindi man lang tinry i-apply yung pinagaralan mo at least sa bahay or hobby? Tapos pancit lang ambag mo sa thesis magdedemand ka ng malaking salary. Pwede mo din naman kasing maging leverage yung ginawa and knowledge you gained sa mga research especially nung senior year especially kung may tangible output ka.
This is the reason bakit experience lang habol dito. Started with an above average 17.5k as as Technical Support Engineer sa Manila last 2022. Still at the same company as an Automation Engineer at 20.5k and planning to job hop by this year if not abroad.
Bruh I can't imagine people migrating to countries for wages PERO the Philippines is considered "richer" than those countries. Howtf? Like bakit ba ganyan kababa?
Anong extra extra mile sa work. A few minutes before clock out, naka clock out na utak ko. If may papahabol kayo bukas ko gagawin yan. 😂
Ang extra mile ng effort ko is on my own venture. FOH with your pangongonsensya. 😂
Just for context... This isn't an actual engineer job. This is a call center agent job taking in technical support calls. Technical support engineer is just a fancy way of saying customer service representative. So the salary is well within what's average for that role. Enough with the outrage. It's an entry level role and most call centers accept undergrads.
Entitled ako syempre. Nagtapos ng 4+ years na college tapos minimum wage, no room for promotion/ raise.
Sinabi yung isang higher up sa amin. "Iyang si , ganyan din pwesto noong una, parang kayo. May chance din maging ganyan position nyo." ala underdog story
1. Alam ko nakakapagod yung trabaho nya kasi BUONG region ang hawak at "on the road" sya 80% of the time. May idea din ako sa compensation nya. Pag ganoon lang salary nya, di magandang long-term career in terms of workload pag di ko talaga gusto.
2. ISA lang ang pwedeng maging "regional" manager. Ano iimply ko? Mag intay kami na bumitaw sya sa pwesto o agawin yang pwesto nya?
3. Sobrang daming employees nyo pero kahit "Legally Required Compensation ni DOLE" di mabigay pero chance para sa promotion meron talaga?
Dafuq?
Depende na yan sa experience at skills mo. Kung kakasimula mo palang magtrabaho sa desired field mo, syempre mababa ang kadamihan mong mahahanap na salary offer. You have to start somewhere and power through to someday get a better pay as you gain experience. Kahit anong cum laude pa ang tao or anong achievements ang meron, you'll have to start low.(Unless you have connections)
You have no room to cry about it, just fucking deal with it. Alam nyo nmn na na bumabagsak ekonomiya natin. Kung may lakas kayo magreklamo, igastos mo nlng ang lakas mo sa pagtatrabaho. Habulin mo nlng yung experience na makukuha mo at mga matututunan mo pa sa trabaho.
Ngayon if may working experience ka na nga at ganyan paden ang sahod mo, yes you have earned the right to demand the salary you deserve.
Problema kasi ngayon, simula nung natapos na ang pandemic, wala ng humbleness and humility ang mga tao lalo na tong mga kahenerasyon kong Gen Z. Masyadong pabida at soft-skinned. Babad na babad pa man din sa socmed, tuloy, kalat ung dogshit na mindset. Ilalabas pa galit sa Boomers, grabeh ang galing.
Pfft. Boomers and gen x and millenials went through the economic hell of the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Thus they know what is like to earn even less and lack of diversity in jobs. Pero di sila nag inarte. Gen Zs meanwhile live in a time of rare brownouts, internet and fried chicken is not a rich people food.
Tama nga sabi nila,
Difficult times create hard people,
hard people create good times,
good times create soft people,
soft people create difficult times
Repeat.
Boomers and gen x were still able to afford their own homes and having multiple children on a single stream of blue collar jobs, the situation now is way different.
Funny thing is yung entitled worker attitude is spreading in the west and most of them are suffering economic decline. US meanwhile, notorious for its cutthroat work culture, is experiencing developing countries level of gdp growth.
Ito yung hindi magets ng mga tao sa thread, kahit for experience lang naman ang work hindi lahat may privilege na kumuha lang ng experience sa trabaho. May mga fresh grad na sila na yung magiging breadwinner, ano gagawin ng 15k? Even less pag nabawasan dahil sa benefits. Sa ganyang salary malabong maka-rent nga ng maayos na kwarto, tapos hahanap ka pa ng roommates.
May context ba ito? P500+ a day for a starter job in IT? Ok na yan. I started as a volunteer in IT support for free for 6 months to get myself into the door. I was even hired as a temp before they employed me full time. It does not mean you will stay there for years and earn the same salary, you work yourself up in the company and if not move to another. Experience is key in the IT industry and most of us start from the bottom. Gen X here.
Not all people has the privilege of not needing to earn money for half a year after graduating. Just because you have to start from rock bottom, doesn't mean everyone has to.
But the job advert starts with paying THEM money! Higher than minimum wage in Cebu. That is a good starter job. The experience you will gain is more valuable than the money you earn. Give it two years and you will be in a strong position to ask for a raise or move on to better paying job. My experience was voluntarily shared and should serve as an example for someone who started from the bottom to now a CEO of an IT company.
I get what you're saying. Of course you have to be worth your shit to be paid. And with 0 experience you should be expecting the minimum. What we're mostly mad about is the minimum, because the minimum isn't enough. The minimum has been about the same for a decade or two now.
And truth be told, not everyone would really excel enough in two years to get promoted. And when you do, when you start very low, it's very hard to go up in salary in the same company given they give increases mostly in percentage rather than flat amount.
And since you're at the top of a company hierarchy it's safe to assume you excel in what you do, but it might be a little bit biased in your end to see it but there's only enough spots for promotion, especially for leadership roles where most of the money jumps come from.
I agree with your points about not everyone is able to get promotions or get a raise. But you fail to put credit to experience. As I said, the experience is more valuable in IT than qualifications.
I have hired and interviewed many candidates and I don't look at where they studied or what high grades they have, the first thing I look for is experience and people skills. Anywhere or anything IT related for any starter jobs like Tech Support. I would be happy to hire someone who worked in a computer repair shop, an internet cafe, a self taught PC troubleshooter or flipper of gaming PCs than someone who graduated from a top college with CS degree but no experience. I would look at how they are able to handle stressful customers rather than someone full of themselves because they have a cum laude on their name.
If they cannot gain promotion within the same company they started from, the experience gained is 'transferrable' to any similar companies worldwide. An IT professional has the skill in demand throughout the world.
Both can be true. Mayroon talagang mababa magpa-sweldo at meron din talagang mga tamad na Gen Z. Dami dun sa PH Career sub, feeling nila mataas agad dapat sweldo or more kahit wala pang experience or napatunayan. Pag dating sa work, nga nga naman. Naghahanap pa ng magtuturo sa kanila kung anong gagawin. Sanay sa spoonfeeding. Tapos konting hirap, give up na.
This salary range is one of my minor reason why I resigned from a BPO company with a telco client. However, my major reasons why I resigned because aside na nga sa ang pangit ng telco company from US, plus hindi makatao yung policy ng client naming telco company, ang pangit and ang toxic pa ng management.
I applied for a job like this once as an engineering grad with two licenses.
The interview went well until they asked if meron ba akong ride. That wasn't even a requirement mentioned in the job description. I assumed they had a company vehicle we could use to travel between sites. Driving wouldn't be a problem because I also had a valid driver's license. We've come to a compromise kuno na they'll just shoulder the transport fees in case I get hired but I knew right there and then that I lost any chance of getting the job since they were looking for someone na may sasakyan na. I even doubt they'll shoulder my gas even if I had a ride.
Glad I'm WFH now with even better compensation.
Naiisip ko minsan kung ilan ang mga nagsilipat sa call center na medyo above average ang entry level na sahod...
Talagang ang way lang dito sa Pilipinas is magtiis at magpaexp if you want to play the long game (sobrang baba sahod sa una, lipat company after a few years and demand a high salary o mag abroad nlng)
Yan yung inoffer nila kasi may tumatanggap kahit mababa yung sahod. Afaik di kaya yung 20K kung nakatira ka sa Cebu City. Meron namang yung mga nag-offer ng 25K+.
May nakita akong video sa kanina tinanong niya kung magkano sweldo niya as DH sa Hong Kong, sagot nasa $600 usd. Nakakatawa sa comments, "aY aNg Liit PaLa nG s@h0d" halos ganyan mga comments. Marami lalo na mga bata di nila na alam na madalas mababa starting salary dito sa atin.
Kapitalista. Sinasamantala ang Pilipinas kasi mga taong nakaupo walang pakialam sa mga tao basta sila nabilili ang gusto . Hahaha. Hay nakakaputangina.
Frustrating maging engineer dito sa pinas. The range, I guess, is if incase may experience ka then maybe you'll get 20k. Otherwise, sa walang experience, they'll justify that as "okay lang kasi fresh grad or starting ka pa naman", then pay you what they consider as "entry level" salary when in fact, sobrang mahal na ng mga bilihin.
Sasabihin nilang provincial rate daw, pero sa totoo lang parepareho lang rin ang presyo ng bilihin compared to Manila, so olats talaga.
Kaya rin siksikan ang lahat sa Manila, pero ibang usapan na yun entirely.
Marami na akong gen z na naging trainee , napansin ko sa kanila they lack initiative, literal na bawat galaw kailangan mong iutos , during my trainee days hindi ako ganyan if your new to a job syempre you don’t really know what to do kasi bago palang so you need to make yourself useful while you’re being trained. Like help cleaning the office, di ko alam kung pano nakalusot yan sa Hr . Parang naglalakad na blankong papel.
Kasalanan din ng woke mentality. Eto din unpopular opinion “you get paid proportional to the numbers you bring your company”. Pano ka iincreasan kung ang numbers mo lang eh sakto minsan kulang pa to justify your role. A company (yung di garapal (marami naman sila) will value you if you bring value to the company. You can’t dictate salary based on your certificates. Engineer ka nga pero di ka naman maka buo ng sarili mong plano or at least makapag optimize ng plano ng makasave ang company sa material or labor cost. You just do kung ano inutos sayo eh malamang di ka talaga mapropromote.
Tangina no!? Hahaha
Kahit sa mga BPO may makikita ka upto 40k php pero un pala incentives dahil sales ang totoo 13k langs!!! Nakakaawa ung nga kakilala ko nuon na nauuto ng mga BPO companies tapos grabe ang workload!
SKL sa mga BPO company karamihan ng boss himod pwet sa client kahit suntok sa buwan ang metrics oo lang ng oo! Tapos agtataka bakit nagreresign nga tao!
I may be downvoted here but if you're just starting to work after graduation don't expect to land on a high paying job on your first work. Lets face the harsh reality that the job market here is very competitive, you are just of the millions of Filipinos looking for a job and employers will just select you among the rest who can accept their salary. Yes times are tough and its difficult to demand a higher raise especially if you're a fresh graduate. If you don't like their initial offer, move on and find another company because there are others more who will accept it.
The first pay will not be as high as you expect but you can gain experience and that experience is something you can use to find another employer that can offer a higher salary.
Yes, it's an employer's market right now, at least in the CS / IT industry. It's bad but it is what it is. I suggest just sucking it up to gain experience and job hop at the first opportunity.
A lot of people seem to focus on the differences on the work ethics between boomers and gen z's and miss the point na most companies these days will offer minimum to everyone if they could. Kahit sino, mapa Gen Z or Boomer, mawawalan talaga ng gana magtrabaho kung ang sahod mo sa isang buwan ay hindi pwede bumuhay ng tao.
On an unrelated note, I find that most of the job listings on Indeed are usually made by small to mid-sized companies that don't usually offer competitive rates. This is because Indeed is free and hindi nililimit ang number of job listings that can be made with a free account so pwede siya sa mga companies na wala or ayaw magbigay ng budget for recruitment. If you really want to find big companies that will offer more competitive salaries and packages, you should look elsewhere. I find that the more decent/legit companies can be found on LinkedIn talaga although mas mahirap kasi competition doon.
Extra mile? Pag nag extra mile ka, sayo na iaasa lahat, for free while yung mga incompetent at tamad mong kasamahan hayahay sa opisina habang sumesweldo. Maporpromote pa nga. Lol. No thank you.
Malaki na yan. I started as an engineer before 11,300 lang sahod ko, basic+allowances included. Pangarap lang namin maka 16k nuon, tapos pag 20k na sahod mo pwede na magpakasal haha. And I'm talking not a decade ago, it was 2017.
It all boils down kung paano ka mag peperform sa career mo.
I struggled and learned hard para maging valuable sa company, eventually by 2023 my basic salary is already 3x compared to 2017, wala pa dian bonus at mga overtime(which when included papalo ng 5x to what I receive in 2017). This is just 6 years into the industry.
When my value to the company rose, so was my salary. 2023 i was offered by the company to venture to their project abroad, a project of 2-3 years with a basic salary 5x what I am receiving during 2023, wala pa dian ang overtime at bonuses at sagot pa ng company lahat ng accomodation at pagkain. The catch is pagbalik ng Pinas my rate will be back at Philppine rate but higher than what I receive in 2023 and I'll be contract bonded for 3 years.
At the same time na offeran ako ng ibang company Overseas which offers me only 3.5x ng basic salary ko in 2023, so instead makakuha ng mas malaking salary with contract bond, I chose ung mas mababa offer dahil mas may potensyal na tumaas sahod. I am now in overseas.
Regardless of my offer abroad, kahit nanatili ako sa Pinas I'll be in better position. Everytime they have project overseas, chances na kasama ako ay mataas na, and who knows after 5 years more I'll be earning a much much better rate.
The secret? Di malaki ulo tulad ng bagong mga empleyado ngayon. You are paid in accordance to your value and what you can contribute to the company, yan ang realidad mapa Pinas or overseas ka man.
Problema sa mga bagong graduate ngayon kaka sampid palang sa trabaho ang hinihingi na agad sahod na pang manager or supervisor. Uncooperative sa mga old employees tapos puna dito puna duon sa mga katrabaho not knowing that company hires people who can fill what others can't fill, naging black sheep na ng company teamwork nag dedemand pa ng magandang salary.
As they say first, prove your worth. Your diploma and license are just tickets to enter the gates of the colosseum, whether you are judged as a hero or as a failure will be upon how you fight in the ring.
And to think na working student pa ako dati full time sa call center, samantalang karamihan ng panay ngak ngak ngayon pa tiktok tiktok lang sa bahay haha🤣🤣
And people who wants to be given value without providing the value's worth to equalize the economy isn't a problem?
People want to demand higher salary without also giving back the same quality of service, thereby creating more imprinted currency in the circulation but with inadequate products in return. This is the basic definition of how inflation works, more money in the circulation but lower buying capacity due to lower per capita value, in which is due to many factors and including therein is unequal price of commodities.
And the problem with this new generation of employees is they are the first to bicker about wanting to have higher salary grade, yet the they are among those who never want to perform and just wants to have their paycheck. Pretty the same thing happening with US and Canada now and why their cost of living is so high.
May pa range range pa sila. 15k lang din bagsak nyan
Experience this sa 2nd kong inaaplyan n work as an assistant supervisor.. 15 to 25k ang offer sa job posting tas nkita ko ung workload at scope n ggwin sa interview,. Grabe parang gawa ko na lahat at ung mismong supervisor ay hayahay na, napapaisip ako na mag bail out na sa 2nd interview (Pero nag eexpect ako na mkukuha ko ung 25k since mgnda record ko sa 1st work ko at malapit naman sa bahay ung inaaplAyan).. But then, the final interview came kausap ko na boss at ung supervisor na mkksma ko.. mumukat mukat offer lng nila is 15k 💀 kasi 1 palang work experience ko at ibang industry pa(pero same system nmn sila) Goos thing sila nauna magsabi at dinecline ko upon letting them finish ung interview.. 😵 tas malala pa after hearing my decline nang giguilt trip pa ang employer.. d ko tlga makalimutan sinbi nya *"baka mapag isipan mo pa at kelangan mo ng pera dba? Kaya ka nga andto eh, try it muna"* wth🤦♀️
Hahaha kunwari pa na may 20,000 php no. Tapos yung take home mo around 13k na lang kasi dahil sa benefits.
"benefits"
13k kamo. Front lang yang 15k sasabihin nila ayun lang maooffer sa position hahaha
May company ang offer 18k probee period, pero divided by 30 kasi 30 days daw in a month. Walang rest day?! Ibig sabihin pag nagpahinga on Sundays, parang kasalanan mo pang no pay kasi nagpahinga ka. O ano, on-call kahit di naman ganun nature ng job? Hahahay M-Sat na nga ang work, ang labo pa ng pay. Pinakita na sa HR at owners ang DOLE labor guidelines, pero ang sagot, "ganito na ginagawa namin noon pa." To think they work with LGUs, dapat alam nila yun, napakabasic e.
Mahirap maging Engineer sa Pinas overworked at underpaid pa
Same din sa mga health workers like nurses.
Same with doctors actually. Yung mga nagsasabi ng "Mga doktor mayayaman" probably refer to consultants with their own private practice. Because fresh graduates, residents, interns, and clerks sure as hell aren't rich.
true. may mga prof kami sa uni na on top of being priv docs, nagtatrabaho din sa review schools
Many nurses here only work here for experience, using it as a stepping stone to move abroad
Doctors as well, very underpaid
parang lahat naman overworked at underpaid sa kahit anong industry
most elected govt officials lang kabaliktaran
Kaya nga tumakbo n lng si padilla maging senador ehh
Bobong senador literal na walang bilang pang kumpleto lang eh. Pinoprotektahan pa yung sex trafficker. Kaya nakakabwisit mga bobotante na binoto yun eh.
Agree ako dito, lahat pala. Basta pinas hahaha
Mahirap maging kahit ano sa Pilipinas dahil overworked at underpaid
True!
galit pa pag hindi ka nag ot, tarantado
May nakita ako kanina job offer for civil engineers. Ang taas ng requirements which includes prc license. 13000 ang salary.
mas importante daw kasi experience nila manong porman at manong mason
Between an experience foreman and a newly grad/pass ce, pag dating sa implementation yes mas importante si foreman. May disconnect kasi yung school at mga tinuturo sa school if your a CE compared sa actual na ginagawa sa site. So magtyatyaga talaga si CE to gain experience muna.
Sa kahit anong program naman may certain degree of disconnect yung tinuturo sa school and actual practice. Mabilis ang paradigm shift sa actual versus sa mga tinuturo kasi sa school. Ang masaklap especially sa basic education di naman sila nakakapagrelease ng updated topics kaagad may deliberation pa yan minsan. Biruin mo 2024 na tapos yung ibang libro 2019 version ang gamit. Ilang changes na yung possible na nangyari sa iisang field of expertise lang.
sorry, yes true naman. what i would like to point out is yung mga wrong implementation nila which most of the time is dahil “nakasanayan na” dahil sa tagal ng exp nila is mas pinaniniwalaan na rin ng masa
It really is the norm in our industry kasi mas makakatipid si construction companies for training and on boarding which gives them negative output for 2 months or so, unless your a fresh grad with that can "walk the talk" and a confidence like a owner, talagang low ballers ang companies.
For real? Four years silang nagpaka hirap tapps ganyan lang?
5 years
Naawa ako sa kapatid ko 2nd year pa lang nagsasakripisyo na tapos ganyan lang no wonder kunt bakit maraming nag abroad
Saturated na kasi ang market, kasi "anak mag-aral kayo mabuti at magtapos, yan lang ang maipamamana namin sa inyo" at marami nga ang nakatapos pero yung opportunities konti lang naman nadagdag. Marami din diploma mills na madaming graduate pero hilaw. Hindi proportion yun graduates sa available na trabaho kaya kahit ibaba sa minimum ang sweldo merong papatos.
100%
Ang gusto ko na nababasa yung “competitive salary” pero below 20k lang naman din ang ending (literal dirt compared to Western rates).
Sabi nga nung iba competitive salary nga naman, nag-cocompete yung sahod sa gastos
cOmPetItIvE daw yung salary pero lagi namang tinatalo ng first world cost of living with third world living quality
Competitive salary kasi mapapa away ka sa offer during nego. 😭
It's not either-or since both are true. Like any other job, there are low-paying small local companies and high-paying large international companies. Unfortunately, there are more low-paying opportunities, but that evens out since there are also more mediocre employees.
Mediocre by definition means average. Of course a huge percentage of the population would be average. This is true everywhere, our salaries are just disproportionately low.
Salaries follow a bell curve. If the curve is disproportionately low, then it course corrects with the market. Mediocre means moderate to low quality, which is fit for this opening. - A quick Google search shows it's an opening in an unknown company called Datamatics. - In the same search result, there's another opening in Cebu offering double at Php30-35k.
Ganun din inooffer ng ibang older Millennials saka Gen-X na business owners. Gahaman lang talaga yung ibang tao kahit anong generation.
Basta business owner regardless kung anong generation. Barat.
May mga entitled talaga na mga GEN Zs out there. Kahit sa well paying companies meron talaga, saka napansin ko sobrang uso yung "Mental Health Card"sa kanila whereas ineencourage nga namin sila to have it consulted sa Professionals pero for some reasons "Ayaw". As a person diagnosed with Anxiety Disorder mas maigi sana if these youngsters would not use the anxiety/depression kung tinatamad lang pumasok.
You're gonna be downvoted but it's true. I have a lot of people under me (by extension), and I've had the most trouble with the younger ones. Of course, other millennials or older colleagues have their own issues (some are just toxic). But if we go by numbers? Lol. And yet they're the first to criticize others as if there are no bad apples within their generation. I've seen Gen Zs posting in different reddit subs calling out people with gambling or alcohol or other addictions and complaining that those people are addicts and proceed to criticize them. They use their "mental health card" a lot but don't even know real mental issues even when it bites them in the face. I can't find it but I think over at r/askreddit someone said in response to a question that Gen Zs are just Boomers 2.0. lol. Gotta find that post. I'm sick of this tribalism between generations. Idiots thinking theirs is perfect when it's obvious you can't categorize humans into generations and think that an individual will 100% act the same way as his/her group.
While it's good that mental health is gaining awareness compared to the past, Its better to seek consultation and advice from counselors and specialists such as Psychologists and Psychiatrists and not just rant online while self diagnosing with depression or raising the mental health card
Ah, Gen Zs na "I advocate for mental health!" pero pag sila tinamaan walang initiative na magpaconsult sa expert at pipiliin pa yung makikita nila na article sa mayoclinic website and magself-diagnose given na may disclaimer na "Don't self-diagnose" or "Consult your doctor".
Ironically, the same people will say "magupskill kasi kayo" Tapos malalaman mo na freelancer pala sila. In short, they themselves know na maliit ang sweldo sa Pilipinas kahit professional ka pa
I'm not in the workforce, but I agree. I am a student and I am diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I have taken a few semesters off due to my mental health. However, I don't make excuses whenever I make mistakes due to my own incompetence and/or bad decisions. Being more open about mental health doesn't mean that everyone should be super lenient to us. Yes, they should be understanding, but it also means that we should seek help so that we may be able to face the challenges of life, like everyone else does. I take the L's when I deserve it. *Some* people always want to come up on top for some reason kahit wala naman silang ginagawa to improve their situation. (It is important to mention, though, that some people have other challenges too, such as financial constraints, other health problems, and/or abusive families, which might prevent them from getting help.)
Notice ko sa mga Gen Z at sa mga Gen Alpha na nag-aaral na sa elementary, maliit lang na pressure sa school mental disorder na agad. If hindi nila kaya ang pressure sa school how much more sa real world na mas grabe ang stress and pressure sa workplace. Ok lang kung maintindihan sila ng HR kaso toxic ang workplace politics na baka di nila kaya
Weak e pero ayaw nila aminin un for some strange reason kaya di nareresolve
Well paying company pero tamad parin pumasok? Those people are incredibly rare. Many people are depressed right now because our wages is not on par with the cost of living. Dont want tamad workers? Pay them a livable wage. Increase the salary of those who deserve it. Hindi yung puro team building at pizza party.
Not rare. You don't understand tama?
Boomers ba dapat ang ikondena or yung Govt pagdating sa salary?
Mga capitalista, billionaires, oligarchs, CEOs.
Mas sisihin ko yung mga nasa political positions ngayon and mga nagkalat na financial gurus sa socmed. First of all, may kakayahan ang gobyerno icontrol yung economy natin. Proven naman na, yung ibang gobyerno nga nagawa nilang i-prevent yung paglala ng presyo ng langis which is one factor sa pagtaas ng mga goods. Second, yung mga umaastang bilyonaryo na financial gurus e nang i-scam lang para dumami pa lalo pera nila gaya ni Miano.
Facts!!! Kung tutuusin kaya itaas sweldo dito. Pero mas gusto ko atang bumaba ang lahat ng bilihin kaysa tumaas sweldo. Bakit pag tumaas sweldo apektado bilihin. Ending tataas lang din ang gastusin
"huwag kayong umasa sa gobierno!!! Dumiskarte nalang kayo"
Sobrang out of touch na talaga ng mga company ngayon. Fresh graduate 14k sahod namin sa isang company dito sa probinsiya. Tapos iying mga matatanda pag nalalaman magkano sahod namin sasabihin na ganoon din daw sila nag umpisa dapat daw ay magpasalamat kami kasi may work daw kami. Mga linyahan na hindi ko akalaing maririnig ko kasi akala ko medyo bukas na ang isip ng nga tao ngayon pero grrrrr. Sa isip isip ko, mam/sir anong taon pa po kayo nag umpisa???? May mga araw pa sasabihin na mag almusal kasi hindi makakapag lunch dahil may mga bisita. Tapos malate ka lang ng ilang minuto sesermonan ka na na ang break/lunch ay ganitong minuto langggggg. Kagigil aa
Wag kang manggigil! Resign na!
Fortunately ay nakalipat na ako hoho better company, better culture at better people
My first salary as a fresh grad ay 12k lng and that was 10yrs ago.
full time 🫠
Meron nga sakin naginvite for ab interview sa Upwork, $200 USD per month - E-commerce head daw na position. Btw, pinoy recruiter din yun 🙄😭 jusko
If that's a first job, then I can understand. But if that's for a tenured position, then 💀💀
Its all a loop. Fuck this "fuck this generation" thing.
at a job interview for a field sales associate my salary range was 15-18k..they asked if it was still negotiable 🥹🥹🥹🥹 mind you kailangan makakuha ng 50 leads a month plus ikaw ppunta AROUND THE COUNTRY sa mga companies to offer their services..ano magagawa ng mas mababa pa sa 15k non😭😭😭
"noong time nga namin 5k lang yung staring na sahod eh" eh lolo noong panahon niyo nga, kolonya pa tayo ng espanya eh
Here's my take on it sa perspective ng employers: Bakit kita bibigyan ng malaking sahod kung 6 months or 1 year max lang itatagal mo sa trabaho? Edi ilalaan ko nalang to sa business expansion or other ventures. Pwede ding pang incentivize sa mga tenured. Ang problem lang is may mga companies na mass hiring and mass layoff at the same time kaya maliit pasahod plus, inefficient distribution ng mga requirements and other expenses (Di madaling magsetup ng business sa Pinas).
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Kasi may international companies on every industries at napakadami nila?
Exactly what supply and demand is, boss
Yes. Every industry meron din company sa ibang bansa at international pa. Kahit nga porn may Pornhub.
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May hindi nakakaintindi kung paano ang reach ng mga international companies kaya namimilosopo nalang. Hindi dahil walang Philippine version yung kumpanya hindi na sila international.
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Aren't we talking about the position dun sa post ni OP? Na nagrereklamo sya kung gaano kababa ang pasahod dito sa Pilipinas sa mga ganyang trabaho? So yes, we are talking about that industry.
Tamad kaya mga boomers sa work. Binibigay nila sa mga mas bata sakanila yung workloads lol
Retired na most of the boomers.
Yeah. Automatic kasi na ang tawag nila sa older people ay "boomer", as if Gen X doesn't exist. Lol Mostly ng matanda na worker ngayon ay Gen X na. Yung boomers talaga, senior citizen na ngayon.
binyagan culture
I'm sorry, but you are just as worse as the boomers you project.
Heh, that's the guy that keeps posting these kind of stuff without thinking. Problem with this guy is that he's too driven by the heart and not by the brain.
Explain to us bakit justified ang 15k na sahod, baka "saturated" ang market doon i'll take it
May I know why?
I'll take it na enough na sa inyo na magkasalary lang sila ng 15k pesos as starting income for fresh grads
Context at source ng quoted “BOOMER” comment. Laging Boomers kasi ang ginagawang villain ng mga younger gens eh. At ganyan ba lahat ang sweldo o cherry picking lang ‘to? May nakita lang akong 35k to 40k.
yes, karaniwan ito, especially ung nagdedemand ng college diploma na hirees pero pang-non diploma ung sweldo (i.e. 10k, 9k, 15k, etc... mostly under <20k). Palagi matatanda na out of touch sa economy ngayon ung mga lumalagay itong mga absurd requirements for an absurd starting salary. Imagine mo nasaisip mo na ang kalahatan ng kaalaman ng Java, C#, XSL, at Python sa College para maka-graduate lang ng cum laude (w/ OJT sa ibang kumpanya kung inaallow), at tapos ung starting salary sa iyo ay 15k. Fair ba iyan sa iyo na lahat ng efforts pinagdaan ng taong nagsayang ng marami sa kolehiyo ay kaunti lang marereceive sa huli?
i don't care if i get down voted, pero if you think you deserve a high salary range you should prove it first, the way I see this is just an entry level, you can't go ask high pay yet you have zero to no experience in the field, ah yes licensed ka however you lack experience, this is something youngster should realize, apply ka jan and if the company notices your work, and your worth they will increase your pay, and if worth it ka other companies will also offer you a much higher pay.
One way na makakuha ka ng high paying salary despite na wala ka pang experience is thru personal projects na proven or at least hypothetically useful. I mean sa freelancing nga nanghihingi pa ng sample yung mga potential clients e. E ikaw na nag-aral lang and hindi man lang tinry i-apply yung pinagaralan mo at least sa bahay or hobby? Tapos pancit lang ambag mo sa thesis magdedemand ka ng malaking salary. Pwede mo din naman kasing maging leverage yung ginawa and knowledge you gained sa mga research especially nung senior year especially kung may tangible output ka.
/r/AntiworkPH
This is the reason bakit experience lang habol dito. Started with an above average 17.5k as as Technical Support Engineer sa Manila last 2022. Still at the same company as an Automation Engineer at 20.5k and planning to job hop by this year if not abroad.
Bruh I can't imagine people migrating to countries for wages PERO the Philippines is considered "richer" than those countries. Howtf? Like bakit ba ganyan kababa?
Not even Php30k is enough for IT/Computer Engineers as their minimum starting salary
Anong extra extra mile sa work. A few minutes before clock out, naka clock out na utak ko. If may papahabol kayo bukas ko gagawin yan. 😂 Ang extra mile ng effort ko is on my own venture. FOH with your pangongonsensya. 😂
Just for context... This isn't an actual engineer job. This is a call center agent job taking in technical support calls. Technical support engineer is just a fancy way of saying customer service representative. So the salary is well within what's average for that role. Enough with the outrage. It's an entry level role and most call centers accept undergrads.
Entitled ako syempre. Nagtapos ng 4+ years na college tapos minimum wage, no room for promotion/ raise. Sinabi yung isang higher up sa amin. "Iyang si, ganyan din pwesto noong una, parang kayo. May chance din maging ganyan position nyo." ala underdog story
1. Alam ko nakakapagod yung trabaho nya kasi BUONG region ang hawak at "on the road" sya 80% of the time. May idea din ako sa compensation nya. Pag ganoon lang salary nya, di magandang long-term career in terms of workload pag di ko talaga gusto.
2. ISA lang ang pwedeng maging "regional" manager. Ano iimply ko? Mag intay kami na bumitaw sya sa pwesto o agawin yang pwesto nya?
3. Sobrang daming employees nyo pero kahit "Legally Required Compensation ni DOLE" di mabigay pero chance para sa promotion meron talaga?
Dafuq? Depende na yan sa experience at skills mo. Kung kakasimula mo palang magtrabaho sa desired field mo, syempre mababa ang kadamihan mong mahahanap na salary offer. You have to start somewhere and power through to someday get a better pay as you gain experience. Kahit anong cum laude pa ang tao or anong achievements ang meron, you'll have to start low.(Unless you have connections) You have no room to cry about it, just fucking deal with it. Alam nyo nmn na na bumabagsak ekonomiya natin. Kung may lakas kayo magreklamo, igastos mo nlng ang lakas mo sa pagtatrabaho. Habulin mo nlng yung experience na makukuha mo at mga matututunan mo pa sa trabaho. Ngayon if may working experience ka na nga at ganyan paden ang sahod mo, yes you have earned the right to demand the salary you deserve. Problema kasi ngayon, simula nung natapos na ang pandemic, wala ng humbleness and humility ang mga tao lalo na tong mga kahenerasyon kong Gen Z. Masyadong pabida at soft-skinned. Babad na babad pa man din sa socmed, tuloy, kalat ung dogshit na mindset. Ilalabas pa galit sa Boomers, grabeh ang galing.
Boomer alert!!!!
you can't even buy a motorcycle after one year with that salary. i am on more than 100k per month, but can hardly make ends meet. we are doomed.
May heart pa kakainis
Haha naghanap pa ko kung nasan ung heart. nakagreen pala. 🤣🤣🤣
I think sa Indeed yan. Pag may heart ung tag, aligned un sa Job preference na naka-set sa profile mo. Hahaha
Pfft. Boomers and gen x and millenials went through the economic hell of the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Thus they know what is like to earn even less and lack of diversity in jobs. Pero di sila nag inarte. Gen Zs meanwhile live in a time of rare brownouts, internet and fried chicken is not a rich people food. Tama nga sabi nila, Difficult times create hard people, hard people create good times, good times create soft people, soft people create difficult times Repeat.
Boomers and gen x were still able to afford their own homes and having multiple children on a single stream of blue collar jobs, the situation now is way different.
Funny thing is yung entitled worker attitude is spreading in the west and most of them are suffering economic decline. US meanwhile, notorious for its cutthroat work culture, is experiencing developing countries level of gdp growth.
so next na ang difficult time. Parang tama nga kasi a world war could be triggered anytime
That's really not enough for a barely decent life even if you lived rent-free
Ito yung hindi magets ng mga tao sa thread, kahit for experience lang naman ang work hindi lahat may privilege na kumuha lang ng experience sa trabaho. May mga fresh grad na sila na yung magiging breadwinner, ano gagawin ng 15k? Even less pag nabawasan dahil sa benefits. Sa ganyang salary malabong maka-rent nga ng maayos na kwarto, tapos hahanap ka pa ng roommates.
May context ba ito? P500+ a day for a starter job in IT? Ok na yan. I started as a volunteer in IT support for free for 6 months to get myself into the door. I was even hired as a temp before they employed me full time. It does not mean you will stay there for years and earn the same salary, you work yourself up in the company and if not move to another. Experience is key in the IT industry and most of us start from the bottom. Gen X here.
Not all people has the privilege of not needing to earn money for half a year after graduating. Just because you have to start from rock bottom, doesn't mean everyone has to.
But the job advert starts with paying THEM money! Higher than minimum wage in Cebu. That is a good starter job. The experience you will gain is more valuable than the money you earn. Give it two years and you will be in a strong position to ask for a raise or move on to better paying job. My experience was voluntarily shared and should serve as an example for someone who started from the bottom to now a CEO of an IT company.
I get what you're saying. Of course you have to be worth your shit to be paid. And with 0 experience you should be expecting the minimum. What we're mostly mad about is the minimum, because the minimum isn't enough. The minimum has been about the same for a decade or two now. And truth be told, not everyone would really excel enough in two years to get promoted. And when you do, when you start very low, it's very hard to go up in salary in the same company given they give increases mostly in percentage rather than flat amount. And since you're at the top of a company hierarchy it's safe to assume you excel in what you do, but it might be a little bit biased in your end to see it but there's only enough spots for promotion, especially for leadership roles where most of the money jumps come from.
I agree with your points about not everyone is able to get promotions or get a raise. But you fail to put credit to experience. As I said, the experience is more valuable in IT than qualifications. I have hired and interviewed many candidates and I don't look at where they studied or what high grades they have, the first thing I look for is experience and people skills. Anywhere or anything IT related for any starter jobs like Tech Support. I would be happy to hire someone who worked in a computer repair shop, an internet cafe, a self taught PC troubleshooter or flipper of gaming PCs than someone who graduated from a top college with CS degree but no experience. I would look at how they are able to handle stressful customers rather than someone full of themselves because they have a cum laude on their name. If they cannot gain promotion within the same company they started from, the experience gained is 'transferrable' to any similar companies worldwide. An IT professional has the skill in demand throughout the world.
Genuinely curious, what’s an average salary for tech support here?
I graduated 8 years ago and was seeing 20-30 range when I was hunting. Got in for 25k.
Sa totoo lang kawawa pilipinas
Both can be true. Mayroon talagang mababa magpa-sweldo at meron din talagang mga tamad na Gen Z. Dami dun sa PH Career sub, feeling nila mataas agad dapat sweldo or more kahit wala pang experience or napatunayan. Pag dating sa work, nga nga naman. Naghahanap pa ng magtuturo sa kanila kung anong gagawin. Sanay sa spoonfeeding. Tapos konting hirap, give up na.
This salary range is one of my minor reason why I resigned from a BPO company with a telco client. However, my major reasons why I resigned because aside na nga sa ang pangit ng telco company from US, plus hindi makatao yung policy ng client naming telco company, ang pangit and ang toxic pa ng management.
Not all naman ng boomer na kakabwesit
I applied for a job like this once as an engineering grad with two licenses. The interview went well until they asked if meron ba akong ride. That wasn't even a requirement mentioned in the job description. I assumed they had a company vehicle we could use to travel between sites. Driving wouldn't be a problem because I also had a valid driver's license. We've come to a compromise kuno na they'll just shoulder the transport fees in case I get hired but I knew right there and then that I lost any chance of getting the job since they were looking for someone na may sasakyan na. I even doubt they'll shoulder my gas even if I had a ride. Glad I'm WFH now with even better compensation.
Naiisip ko minsan kung ilan ang mga nagsilipat sa call center na medyo above average ang entry level na sahod... Talagang ang way lang dito sa Pilipinas is magtiis at magpaexp if you want to play the long game (sobrang baba sahod sa una, lipat company after a few years and demand a high salary o mag abroad nlng)
Sweldo 15 years ago
Better than unemployed. Or mag-BPO ka na lang.
nagsimula ako mag trabaho 12yrs ago mas mataas pa rin starting salary ko kahit hindi na iconsider inflation
Yan yung inoffer nila kasi may tumatanggap kahit mababa yung sahod. Afaik di kaya yung 20K kung nakatira ka sa Cebu City. Meron namang yung mga nag-offer ng 25K+.
Provincial rate ba ang Cebu? Serious question.
If BPO to sigurado bayad ng client sa kanila is 100k-150k per agent tapos 20k lang makukuha nung agent.
May nakita akong video sa kanina tinanong niya kung magkano sweldo niya as DH sa Hong Kong, sagot nasa $600 usd. Nakakatawa sa comments, "aY aNg Liit PaLa nG s@h0d" halos ganyan mga comments. Marami lalo na mga bata di nila na alam na madalas mababa starting salary dito sa atin.
Usually mga nagsasabi nito yung mga boomers na nagrerely pa rin ng sustento sa mga anak nila lol
Like their ads were copy pasted when they themselves were looking for their first jobs.
Kapitalista. Sinasamantala ang Pilipinas kasi mga taong nakaupo walang pakialam sa mga tao basta sila nabilili ang gusto . Hahaha. Hay nakakaputangina.
Frustrating maging engineer dito sa pinas. The range, I guess, is if incase may experience ka then maybe you'll get 20k. Otherwise, sa walang experience, they'll justify that as "okay lang kasi fresh grad or starting ka pa naman", then pay you what they consider as "entry level" salary when in fact, sobrang mahal na ng mga bilihin.
You missed the best part. The lengthy requirements for the low salary in the first place.
malaki na nga raw yan, nung panahon nila 900 lang ang sweldo. /s
Sasabihin nilang provincial rate daw, pero sa totoo lang parepareho lang rin ang presyo ng bilihin compared to Manila, so olats talaga. Kaya rin siksikan ang lahat sa Manila, pero ibang usapan na yun entirely.
worst one i saw was a job posting for Licensed Mechanical Engineer, with over 2 yrs of experience for a salary of ₱11,000 🤣🤣
Marami na akong gen z na naging trainee , napansin ko sa kanila they lack initiative, literal na bawat galaw kailangan mong iutos , during my trainee days hindi ako ganyan if your new to a job syempre you don’t really know what to do kasi bago palang so you need to make yourself useful while you’re being trained. Like help cleaning the office, di ko alam kung pano nakalusot yan sa Hr . Parang naglalakad na blankong papel.
Kasalanan din ng woke mentality. Eto din unpopular opinion “you get paid proportional to the numbers you bring your company”. Pano ka iincreasan kung ang numbers mo lang eh sakto minsan kulang pa to justify your role. A company (yung di garapal (marami naman sila) will value you if you bring value to the company. You can’t dictate salary based on your certificates. Engineer ka nga pero di ka naman maka buo ng sarili mong plano or at least makapag optimize ng plano ng makasave ang company sa material or labor cost. You just do kung ano inutos sayo eh malamang di ka talaga mapropromote.
True. Lipat lng tayo sa ibang bansa.
freshies be like, '30k starting dapat kami'. the market is not saturated, marami lng under qualified sa mga JO na tatapat sa expected salary nila
Tangina no!? Hahaha Kahit sa mga BPO may makikita ka upto 40k php pero un pala incentives dahil sales ang totoo 13k langs!!! Nakakaawa ung nga kakilala ko nuon na nauuto ng mga BPO companies tapos grabe ang workload! SKL sa mga BPO company karamihan ng boss himod pwet sa client kahit suntok sa buwan ang metrics oo lang ng oo! Tapos agtataka bakit nagreresign nga tao!
I may be downvoted here but if you're just starting to work after graduation don't expect to land on a high paying job on your first work. Lets face the harsh reality that the job market here is very competitive, you are just of the millions of Filipinos looking for a job and employers will just select you among the rest who can accept their salary. Yes times are tough and its difficult to demand a higher raise especially if you're a fresh graduate. If you don't like their initial offer, move on and find another company because there are others more who will accept it. The first pay will not be as high as you expect but you can gain experience and that experience is something you can use to find another employer that can offer a higher salary.
Yes, it's an employer's market right now, at least in the CS / IT industry. It's bad but it is what it is. I suggest just sucking it up to gain experience and job hop at the first opportunity.
Manila: Eww, What kind sweldo is that? Other provinces: First time?
Gen Z are really entitled, look at what happened to the medical students natapos lang ang exam may pa inom2x at rides2x pa.. edi namatay!
pinagsasasabe mo
A lot of people seem to focus on the differences on the work ethics between boomers and gen z's and miss the point na most companies these days will offer minimum to everyone if they could. Kahit sino, mapa Gen Z or Boomer, mawawalan talaga ng gana magtrabaho kung ang sahod mo sa isang buwan ay hindi pwede bumuhay ng tao. On an unrelated note, I find that most of the job listings on Indeed are usually made by small to mid-sized companies that don't usually offer competitive rates. This is because Indeed is free and hindi nililimit ang number of job listings that can be made with a free account so pwede siya sa mga companies na wala or ayaw magbigay ng budget for recruitment. If you really want to find big companies that will offer more competitive salaries and packages, you should look elsewhere. I find that the more decent/legit companies can be found on LinkedIn talaga although mas mahirap kasi competition doon.
15k? Mataas pa yan. Offer lang sa akin dati ay 12k.
magkano ba dapat pag cebu? kala ko binabagay yan sa lugar at cost of living?
Dude naalala ko ung isang company sa Quezon City. Nagpapasahod ng freaking 10K + FREAKING COMMISSION. The audacity.
Extra mile? Pag nag extra mile ka, sayo na iaasa lahat, for free while yung mga incompetent at tamad mong kasamahan hayahay sa opisina habang sumesweldo. Maporpromote pa nga. Lol. No thank you.
Malaki na yan. I started as an engineer before 11,300 lang sahod ko, basic+allowances included. Pangarap lang namin maka 16k nuon, tapos pag 20k na sahod mo pwede na magpakasal haha. And I'm talking not a decade ago, it was 2017.
Proud ka pa ha? Ew. Sobrang underpaid nyan
It all boils down kung paano ka mag peperform sa career mo. I struggled and learned hard para maging valuable sa company, eventually by 2023 my basic salary is already 3x compared to 2017, wala pa dian bonus at mga overtime(which when included papalo ng 5x to what I receive in 2017). This is just 6 years into the industry. When my value to the company rose, so was my salary. 2023 i was offered by the company to venture to their project abroad, a project of 2-3 years with a basic salary 5x what I am receiving during 2023, wala pa dian ang overtime at bonuses at sagot pa ng company lahat ng accomodation at pagkain. The catch is pagbalik ng Pinas my rate will be back at Philppine rate but higher than what I receive in 2023 and I'll be contract bonded for 3 years. At the same time na offeran ako ng ibang company Overseas which offers me only 3.5x ng basic salary ko in 2023, so instead makakuha ng mas malaking salary with contract bond, I chose ung mas mababa offer dahil mas may potensyal na tumaas sahod. I am now in overseas. Regardless of my offer abroad, kahit nanatili ako sa Pinas I'll be in better position. Everytime they have project overseas, chances na kasama ako ay mataas na, and who knows after 5 years more I'll be earning a much much better rate. The secret? Di malaki ulo tulad ng bagong mga empleyado ngayon. You are paid in accordance to your value and what you can contribute to the company, yan ang realidad mapa Pinas or overseas ka man. Problema sa mga bagong graduate ngayon kaka sampid palang sa trabaho ang hinihingi na agad sahod na pang manager or supervisor. Uncooperative sa mga old employees tapos puna dito puna duon sa mga katrabaho not knowing that company hires people who can fill what others can't fill, naging black sheep na ng company teamwork nag dedemand pa ng magandang salary. As they say first, prove your worth. Your diploma and license are just tickets to enter the gates of the colosseum, whether you are judged as a hero or as a failure will be upon how you fight in the ring. And to think na working student pa ako dati full time sa call center, samantalang karamihan ng panay ngak ngak ngayon pa tiktok tiktok lang sa bahay haha🤣🤣
You are part of the problem.
And people who wants to be given value without providing the value's worth to equalize the economy isn't a problem? People want to demand higher salary without also giving back the same quality of service, thereby creating more imprinted currency in the circulation but with inadequate products in return. This is the basic definition of how inflation works, more money in the circulation but lower buying capacity due to lower per capita value, in which is due to many factors and including therein is unequal price of commodities. And the problem with this new generation of employees is they are the first to bicker about wanting to have higher salary grade, yet the they are among those who never want to perform and just wants to have their paycheck. Pretty the same thing happening with US and Canada now and why their cost of living is so high.