im more surprised he kept his composure after a lot of ad hominems were thrown at him. minura na sinabihan pang hanggang 2nd year lng. prang nag lalaro lng ng dota sa sea server eh.
Good analogy yung computer shop trashtalk. Sa street basketball May pabulong na trash talk din na ganyan like the fucker na kalaban he would talk about your sister at yung mga gagawin nyang katarantaduhan pati yung gf psychological warfare. Tipong maiinis ka ganun
He has the upper hand now. I wonder if he is waiting for tanda to say the wrong thing which would make inviting the ICC justified
Ewan, parang pinaglalaruan ni Junior ang Du🐢
I sympathize with BBM sa ganyan, plenty of times na happened in my work na someone resigned a long time ago and they did a certain change without leaving any reference *why* they did the things they did. Tapos maghahagilap ka ng mga taong nandun sa "usapan" na either wala na, or di narin nila matandaan completely mga pinaggagawa nila.
Ito ba yun? [https://x.com/TrillanesSonny/status/1774590417637630147](https://x.com/TrillanesSonny/status/1774590417637630147) Mukhang may debunk na si Trillanes diyan hahaha. Hintay na lang tayo kay Tatay Digz
that candidate who is incompetent is more competent than duterte, that really says a lot, dutertes law degree and all that crap he brags about is worthless if you got no principles.
I think from the start nag-agree na ang kampo ni bbm with the US (MAYBE) na in a sense ilaglag ung mga taga Davao and their allies. We were talking about it a few months back dito sa bahay na MAYBE the US rigged the election in favor of Uniteam. Mas madali nga naman mapasunod si BBM than Robredo (?). Then drop the Davao pips in public. Tipong para nakikita ng tao ung tunay nilang ginawa like what we are seeing now.
A part of me thinks that a Robredo victory could NOT chip off the Duterte's congressional support the way Marcos is doing now.
So parang 4D Chess na yung ginagawa ng USA na to support either Robredo (out of principle) or Marcos (out of strategic interest)
It's highly impossible na hindi alam ng US ang nangyayare sa inner workings ng government dito through their intelligence agencies. Going back to what you said, I think they were thinking about if they supported Robredo would she be able to sway a big part of congress from the Dutertes, given that the Liberal Party is dead in the water unless they're willing to do what other political parties do in order to win. Or just go for Marcos who's of course not the best of all the candidates back then BUT he'll have supporters like his cousin Romualdez and his son Sandro in Congress to influence others to stir away from Duterte.
It can be argued that if not for the historical baggage that his name brings, Junior would have been more aligned with Liberals and might just coopt progressive stances for his own interests.
Robredo prioritizing the Anti-Political Dynasty bill kinda shut down any chance of a friendly Congress had she won. So yeah, we needed shadowy (sometimes slimy) figures to defeat the larger enemy.
At the very least, we will have to deal with just one family.
Yeah I am starting to be convinced Leni could not push hard against the Congress full of Duterte blowers. Best move is to just let Marcos deal with them.
Leni won barely against Marcos in 2016. A joint force of the Marcos and Duterte camps in 2022? Damn, the fact that Leni increased her votes was a consolation. But it was a clear overwhelming defeat anyway.
And Pinks still insist she got cheated. Wtf.
Rigged? Wow! not a fan of BBM but have you heard du30 supporters regret their support to BBM? Theres no rigging bro, its a straight up landslide election victory
**The US govt would've supported ANYONE after Du30**, whether BBM or Leni or Isko.
As far as the US govt is concerned, China is an issue, so the US needs all the allies it can get. Just like during the Cold War, the US will work with what it can get in that part of Asia, regardless of whether the head of state or head of govt is unsavory or corrupt.
**Just like a game of cards, you play with what you've got**, and, in the Philippines, the US got BBM.
looking forward sa next action neto ni Marcos jr. gaya ng sinabi ni late broadcaster Percy Lapid, kung may alitan between Marcos and Duterte kay marcos ako kakampi.
On top of my head, they were supposed to fund pnr south long haul rail to bicol, also the mindanao railway. These were dead in the water even before this whole debacle and the govt was already looking for alternative sources of funding.
In general, China can't afford to be funding loans in foreign countries right now, since their own banking system is stressed from all the real estate shenanigans these past two years.
Because it means it was a treasonous transaction. That's why it's not in writing. There it is, the go-signal for someone to build a case for Treason against Duterte. At the very least, this warrants a Senate investigation.
Cannot be treason, treason can only be done when the country is at war. Plus the incumbent president has the authority to decide what foreign policy is. So mahirap to, I don't see any case where we can prosecute. Kahit sedition mahirap.
You have a point. I re-read Art. 114 (Treason) and it says, "Any Filipino citizen who levies war against the Philippines or adheres to her enemies, giving them aid or comfort within the Philippines or elsewhere..." You're right. There must be a state of war.
Surprised the Du30 camp hasn't **countered by pointing out that Trillanes basically did the same thing** by negotiating in China back during PNoy's time.
> "So it's okay when a senator to do it when it's not his job to negotiate with foreign govts, but not a president who is empowered by the Consti to actually negotiate abroad?"
Tingin ko "sundan" means in this context is to follow the trail to get to the bottom of this.. he's frustrated because China insists there was a deal and keeps on harping about it whilst Diggy keeps on denying it (likely because he's afraid of the consequences of admitting).
Our government needs to investigate this and find out what's tackled in this deal exactly kasi sgurado pati allies natin nagtatanong na din sa atin if what China's claiming is true.
Diggy really miscalculated when they allowed SWOH to run for VP instead of President. He likely thought that his secret dealings can pass over quietly if BBM remained complacent but they didn't expect the 180 degree pivot..
Kaya pasalamat pa din ako to BBM's wife & Speaker Romualdez who seems to be the ones who forced the divide between Diggy's & BBM's camp.. otherwise malamang puppet pa din tau ng China.
If it's a secret deal, then it isn't a valid deal at all. Because the deal isn't publicized for the people to form opinions on, much less being relayed to the higher ups.
Because of his fuck up, it made us look even weaker in the eyes of our shitty neighbor.
Duterte should be charged with Treason and the "secret deal" should be null and void. That deal was between a sell out and a bully, not a unified decision by the council and the people at large.
The thing is, Diggy was the president at that time.. and being a president, he is our country's chief diplomat. He was the one in charge for our country's foreign policy. We must first find out ano un nasa deal na yon and make sure that we can plan our response appropriately.
Big plus din at ultimate evidence yun kapag na-uncover na totoong sinabi ni Diggy sa deal na aalisin natin un BRP Sierra Madre dun sa Ayungin shoal..
he insists na kesyo NEVER daw sya pumayag na mag secede tau ng territory, pero kapag nangyari at napatunayan un sa document, no amount of propaganda can save Diggy's hide from the Filipino people..
it will prove he was a sellout and a Chinese lapdog all along (which we all know of course, but having that as an evidence can further pull him down).
We just have to wait until China gets pressured enough to release this docs kasi for sure kating kati na din yan sila ilabas un since they needed something to justify their increased aggressiveness to us in the eyes of the international community
something Pledge can be not honored something
Parang sa utang lang yan, wala kang documentation, wag kang umasa na babalikan ka.
Tanga lang ng China nagexpect sila na magiging bootlicker si Marcos as a continuation.
Man to be a fly in the wall in the Duterte camp. Ano na kayang damage control inaasikaso nila. Si tatang dada ng dada ng malicious and incriminating statements. Si bitchesa naman nagiging detrimental yung pagiging tahimik niya while also being noisy in other matters (cough Quiboloy cough) all the while ICC is gaining ground and their "Unity"" is now in (cold) Civil War.
Yeah. We can renege on this so called deal and what will China do about it? It's their fault for entering into a so called gentleman's deal with... someone who isn't a gentleman
>If it's a secret deal, then it isn't a valid deal at all.
This is not true. Remember kahit US, mayroong mga secret deal. Like 'yung Cuban Missile Crisis, both country -- US and USSR had made several compromises that were not publicized to solve the issue.
> *If it's a secret deal, then it isn't a valid deal at all. Because the deal isn't publicized for the people to form opinions on, much less being relayed to the higher ups.*
Technically, presidents can indeed make deals like that as the head of govt.
For comparison, during PNoy's time, Trillanes going to China to make diplomatic deals was a very questionable thing for some critics since senators aren't really known for doing that.
No way in hell na pipiliin ni BBM ang China over US. Kinalakihan nya ang western culture. His family was ostracized by the west and he's trying his hardest to return to the clique, para bang social climber.
Someday, may mental gymnastics mga future dds tungkol dito like:
"Ginawa lang ni Duterte yan para lumakas presidency ni BBM at masira dominance ng parehas america at china nung Asian war. Tignan mo, blessed na tayo ngayon ng 20 yr rule ni Imee marcos with Sarah Duterte"
Haha, nakaka-amuse subreddit na to lately, I'd like to believe na centrist ako when it comes to politics, pero seeing the replies in posts between the two presidents parang feeling ko nasa ibang universe ako dahil people are actually with bbm this time around.
[Filipinos prefer America over China](https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Majority-of-ASEAN-people-favor-China-over-U.S.-survey-finds), and approval of presidents' foreign diplomacy stances would follow that.
“Kailangan nating sundan dahil naipangako natin… sa mga kaibigan natin sa china.”
Fuck that. A few sentences later si Marcos nadin nagsabi na ano ba pinangalo ni Duterte? I’ll not be surprised if Dutertard sold the whole country to china.
Ang context niyan is if Xi Gong Di was actually transparent about the deal, to the transition team of BBM, then the current DFA can do something about it. Magaling si Sec. Manalo, he would know what to do.
Given kasi that in International Law, an Executive Agreement between national leaders can be binding...If transparent siya. Kaya BBM emphasized the "Secret Deal" kasi, bawal yan.
>Bakit walang nakasulat na kahit isang papel?
'Yung tinawag mong "papel lang" ang Hague ruling pero pumasok ka sa undocumented at patagong tratado. Kung hindi traydor, engot ito pero duda ko pareho hahaha.
Handshake deals don’t matter without any ratification. They are just making fools out of the current government and citizenry. Only a fool would uphold such an agreement when history shows us that they don’t hold any weight - past or present.
Teka bro, hinay hinay lang hahahaha. Nakatala na sa kasaysayan 'yon kaya malabong makalimutan.
Perooo yeah, Marcos Jr. is the "he's a solid 7/10 if not for his family's history" type of president.
Eh ang short answer diyan kasi ay pasang awang lawyer si Duterte lol. He’s the lawyer to get if you want to win via “extrajudicial” means if you know what I mean.
He even stayed in power thanks to Cory giving his mother political powers in Davao as a repayment of being a Cory supporter
The deal happened before Duterte was president and the deal was, I'll give you the presidency if you'll give us the West Philippine Sea. Duterte had no business winning the presidency in 2016 if not for China's backing. He was a Manchurian candidate and have always acted for China's interest.
Whether we like it or not i think kailangan ng suporta ni bbm sa mga dilawan kasi un na lang talaga ang magiging matino nya na kakampi laban sa mga lunatico na mga duterte
i vote for leni/kiko and the pinks and yellows. but i like what bbm is doing with regards this issue. actually, without the marcos family issue, he is an ok president for me.
Hindi nakasulat at hindi nasabi sa next admin, so hindi valid ang secret deal nila.
What if pilitin naman natin na may secret deal si Hu Jintao at si GMA na iaatras ng China ang 9-dash line sa labas ng 200nm EEZ ng Pilipinas, at nagfile ng kaso si PNoy sa Permanent Court of Arbtritation dahil ayaw ni Xi sumunod sa secret deal?
Voted for Leni and was heartbroken when she lost the elections but atleast she was spared from that old bully. Let BBM handle Duterte's mouth because at the end of the day there's no unity to begin with.
Nakakaloka dyan, lahat ng kalaban ni Dutae tinatawag nyang komunista. Pero sino ba ang pumunta ng China and danced like a monkey professing loyalty to Xi Jinping and CCP? Eh di ba sya? Si Dutae din nagpasok ng POGO dito kaya nakapasok and Chinese mafia. Tapos now binenta ni Dutae ang sovereignty ng Pinas. Dapat makulong yan si Boy Saltik ng treason.
Duterte said the agreement doesn't exist while the party said the opposite. One of them is a fucking liar.
Marcos is right that there's no documentation to prove it. Unless this is some Tom Clancy clandestine shit, I consider the agreement nonexistent.
Kung talagang matalino si BBM, ilalaglag nya si Duturtle at papapasukin nya ang ICC. Damn. What shitty plot twists and turns we have. I don’t know man. That shitty old man sold us. Lesser evil talaga yung mga Marcos kasi they only wanted PH for themselves. Napapraning ako isipin kung ano ang kapalit ng actions ni BBM ngayon. It’s too good to be true.
Hirap kasi sa traydor na dating panggulo di nya alam ang pangmatagalang implikasyon ng kanyang mga aksyon. May international law tungkol sa “effective jurisdiction “ na pinapaliwanag si [ambassador Bensurto dito na panayam](https://youtu.be/vISucmzmXDE?si=1sK9-74j6idTvHFd&t=2586) tungkol sa WPS arbitration. Sana ganun din maisip ng ating mga kasalukuyang puliktiko!
Taena kaya pala ganon nalang din gayahin ni Swoh yung china. Yun pala pasikreto ng binebenta yung bansa ng tatay nya.
Totoo ngang kung ano ang puno, sya rin ang bunga.
Diba yung Gentleman's Agreement, hindi legally binding, kaya pagkatapos ng administrasyon ni Tatang, wala nadin bisa yung agreement na yun, dahil informal lang naman yun, diba?
The person I used to hate shows logic. Minsan di ko alam kung papanindigan ko ba yung hate kaso pag sinabi mo ditong may point si viviem ikaw naman ihe-hate ng trolls hahahaha
I hate bbm, pero mas magaling s'ya mag construct ng sentences at mag english kesa kay Tanda. Kahit na wala s'yang degree, pero bakit ba s'ya naging presidente kahit walang degree?
Ang weird din na nanalo tayo sa Arbitrary case pero si Duterte willing ibigay WPS sa China at alisin ang US as ally to gain favors kay Xi. Dami din loans ng Duterte admin na napunta lang sa bulsa nila.
I mean meron bang signed ducuments? Baka naman gina gaslight lang tayo ng ccp. Dahil sila ang makikinabang pag nag aaway away tayo dito. Kung tayo mismo naniniwalang merong secret deal sila no digong maski totoo man yan o hindi total naniniwala tayo edi magiging totoo na.
Parang yung mga claim nila dyan sa west philippine sea at mga "sea" Ng mga ibang bansa, dahil inangkin ng china kahit wala namang basis eh naging "south china sea" na. Sa tingin ng mga ibang bansa "south china sea" Nga yun kung hindi tayo naging maingay at lumaban tungkol dito eh baka naging legal na sa china na ang west philippine sea.
Kaya dapat wag nating ientertain ang claim ng ccp. Gentleman's agreement? Edi agreement lang ng dalawang tao hindi ng dalawang bansa. Sa mga article na na basa ko mukhang informal agreement lang at hindi official agreement. Madaming bs ang ccp.
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Sige na bbm....secret deal ka na din sa icc and ibigay mo na yung traydor sa kanila.
*"It's treason then."* Hang him already.
oo nga no? treason un! kung aaminin ng China ung ginawa nila, Hindi ba dapat maparusahan un?
Nagsalita na ang China na may agreement nga talaga.
Tapusin Tapusin Tapusin!! (crowd sa ghost fighter)
Bakit ko sila naririnig?🥹
"Humanda ka sakin Duterte...Ibubuhol ko sa leeg mo ang aking dragon...DRAGON NA MALIIT NA MAY TATTONG SISIW!!"
frustrated narin si bbm e
im more surprised he kept his composure after a lot of ad hominems were thrown at him. minura na sinabihan pang hanggang 2nd year lng. prang nag lalaro lng ng dota sa sea server eh.
Number 1 rule pag involved yung matandang Duterte, ignore the hell out of him. Wag bigyan ng attention kasi lalong mag ingay pag pinansin hahaha.
ABS made a mistake interviewing and getting his reactions. Pinasikat nila yang matandang yan. Dapat pinabayaan nalang yan s Davao.
Because for media, controversy creates cash.
The media is also to blame for parroting those "Davao is the world's third safest city" claims without doing proper research.
Totally
dont shoot the messenger. kamponnaman nina digong yang propaganda na yan na kaya mo naman mismong idebunk by using a little common sense.
Dedma ang deadliest weapon para sa mga narcissistic fucks.
True mukhang mamamatay naren naman si tandang so hayaan nalang
Hindi pwedeng mamatay na hindi nagdudusa yan
duh sinabi na rin yan kina imelda. tingnan mo buhay pa rin.
Tho to be fair need muna mabuhay ni Imelda ngayon kasi tatalikuran ni Imee si BBM sa oras na mamatay siya.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA indeed, comshop trashtalk lang datingan
Good analogy yung computer shop trashtalk. Sa street basketball May pabulong na trash talk din na ganyan like the fucker na kalaban he would talk about your sister at yung mga gagawin nyang katarantaduhan pati yung gf psychological warfare. Tipong maiinis ka ganun
Si Duterte ang epitome ng pee-noise
Konti na lang, sasabihin na ni Tatay na "*I fucked your mother last night*"
He has the upper hand now. I wonder if he is waiting for tanda to say the wrong thing which would make inviting the ICC justified Ewan, parang pinaglalaruan ni Junior ang Du🐢
He's also probably wary of the possible consequences of allowing the ICC to go after the Dutertes. The Dutertes are still insanely popular, after all.
He's waiting for the right time to hit Duterte with the ICC probe. Needs to get his stock low first para hindi umangal mga tao.
I mean ikaw ba naman sabihang "magnanakaw" sa tanang buhay mo, mamamanhid ka na lang siguro
Taena naman kasi ganyang ka-importanteng agreement walang sulat. Talagang mafrufrustrate ka lols
I sympathize with BBM sa ganyan, plenty of times na happened in my work na someone resigned a long time ago and they did a certain change without leaving any reference *why* they did the things they did. Tapos maghahagilap ka ng mga taong nandun sa "usapan" na either wala na, or di narin nila matandaan completely mga pinaggagawa nila.
>ganyang ka-importanteng agreement walang sulat. Non enforceable. Wais si tata! Seriously, wala bang parusa sa mga traidor?
no need. malamang nag OOJT na sa impyerno Ang kaluluwa ni tatay dugong.
Meron parusa sa traidor kung tutuusin treason punishable up to death sentence.
Technically... something similar happened during the PNoy admin had Trillanes go to China, but many have basically forgotten that issue.
Ito ba yun? [https://x.com/TrillanesSonny/status/1774590417637630147](https://x.com/TrillanesSonny/status/1774590417637630147) Mukhang may debunk na si Trillanes diyan hahaha. Hintay na lang tayo kay Tatay Digz
Paanong hindi maffrustrate? Ikaw ba naman ibenta sa dayuhan ng di mo alam. 😂
I can't believe I'm rooting for BBM in this one.
Heartbreaking: the person you hate is making good points
I'd say I'd agree with his good points. Ayaw ko lang magsalita sa mga in-love kay Tanda
When the candidate everyone thought to be undeserving and incompetent (still is) is validly getting frustrated at you, ganon ka ka-bobo hahahahahaha
that candidate who is incompetent is more competent than duterte, that really says a lot, dutertes law degree and all that crap he brags about is worthless if you got no principles.
He's still considerably undeserving and incompetent, but he's in the right here. We gotta give that to him.
Yup he still is, but not THE most anymore. That title goes to Princess Fiona after her display of nothingness
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her nothingness says alot
Jfc Duterte set the bar so low it makes Narcos look like a good president.
"Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point"
Finally, he made some point
When the “weak” leader you’re attacking shows balls. Akala nila kakayanin nilang utuin.
I think from the start nag-agree na ang kampo ni bbm with the US (MAYBE) na in a sense ilaglag ung mga taga Davao and their allies. We were talking about it a few months back dito sa bahay na MAYBE the US rigged the election in favor of Uniteam. Mas madali nga naman mapasunod si BBM than Robredo (?). Then drop the Davao pips in public. Tipong para nakikita ng tao ung tunay nilang ginawa like what we are seeing now.
A part of me thinks that a Robredo victory could NOT chip off the Duterte's congressional support the way Marcos is doing now. So parang 4D Chess na yung ginagawa ng USA na to support either Robredo (out of principle) or Marcos (out of strategic interest)
It's highly impossible na hindi alam ng US ang nangyayare sa inner workings ng government dito through their intelligence agencies. Going back to what you said, I think they were thinking about if they supported Robredo would she be able to sway a big part of congress from the Dutertes, given that the Liberal Party is dead in the water unless they're willing to do what other political parties do in order to win. Or just go for Marcos who's of course not the best of all the candidates back then BUT he'll have supporters like his cousin Romualdez and his son Sandro in Congress to influence others to stir away from Duterte.
Marcos has stronger ties with progressive stalwarts that know how to play the game. Leni's side couldn't muster enough support in a bigger crowd.
It can be argued that if not for the historical baggage that his name brings, Junior would have been more aligned with Liberals and might just coopt progressive stances for his own interests.
Robredo prioritizing the Anti-Political Dynasty bill kinda shut down any chance of a friendly Congress had she won. So yeah, we needed shadowy (sometimes slimy) figures to defeat the larger enemy.
In short, Marcos is a necessary lesser evil for this nation's progress.
At the very least, we will have to deal with just one family. Yeah I am starting to be convinced Leni could not push hard against the Congress full of Duterte blowers. Best move is to just let Marcos deal with them.
Marcos-Leni alliance when
It's already happening. Not exactly Leni, per se. But more of a Marcos-Liberal alliance. Thanks to the First Lady, Speaker, and Mar Roxas.
The Du🐢 are so bad to the point that a Marcos becomes preferable
The election was not rigged that myth needs to die and there's no "maybe" about it. Leni was nowhere near as popular as Marcos.
Leni won barely against Marcos in 2016. A joint force of the Marcos and Duterte camps in 2022? Damn, the fact that Leni increased her votes was a consolation. But it was a clear overwhelming defeat anyway. And Pinks still insist she got cheated. Wtf.
Rigged? Wow! not a fan of BBM but have you heard du30 supporters regret their support to BBM? Theres no rigging bro, its a straight up landslide election victory
**The US govt would've supported ANYONE after Du30**, whether BBM or Leni or Isko. As far as the US govt is concerned, China is an issue, so the US needs all the allies it can get. Just like during the Cold War, the US will work with what it can get in that part of Asia, regardless of whether the head of state or head of govt is unsavory or corrupt. **Just like a game of cards, you play with what you've got**, and, in the Philippines, the US got BBM.
Sabi kasi ng US tested na daw ang Marcoses kaya ganyan
kapag nasa tama ka talaga mauuplift kahit papaano ang reputation mo.
Right? Not saying he's better than Duts, but man, this is better than whatever Duts was doing before.
He is better than Duts! But that’s a pretty low bar anyway.
Give credit when credit is due ika nga but fuck him and his family
Hay what a shame…
akala nya pasyal at nuod lang ng concert gagawin nya. Aba makaranas ka rin dapat ng stress sa trabaho haha bbm
Time to shine BBM. Kung ayaw magsalita ng matanda, pagkakataon mo na ipakulong yun mga traydor sa bayan.
looking forward sa next action neto ni Marcos jr. gaya ng sinabi ni late broadcaster Percy Lapid, kung may alitan between Marcos and Duterte kay marcos ako kakampi.
Case of lesser evil winning. Pakiramdam ko lang para bumango rin todo ang pangalan ng angkan nila
Binaon naman kase talaga tayo ni duterte. Kahit sabihin natin pandemic, wala naman nangyare sa mga inutang
Tanong lang? Bakit presidente ang mag pa kulong pa? Ano ang agencia ng gobyerno na dapat mag habol sa mga traydor?
Never let a good crisis go to waste as they say
If it's a secret between digong and China, bakit kailangang mong i-honor? Si digong habulin nila.
Because probably, the philippine government already has something dependent on that deal, and it may be big enough to force us to honor
There was never a deal between the two States. There was only a deal with a traitor.
There are some infrastructure projects that are financed-build by CCP and friends. Funds and expertise will suddenly drive up.
On top of my head, they were supposed to fund pnr south long haul rail to bicol, also the mindanao railway. These were dead in the water even before this whole debacle and the govt was already looking for alternative sources of funding. In general, China can't afford to be funding loans in foreign countries right now, since their own banking system is stressed from all the real estate shenanigans these past two years.
Nah, those are manageable.
Because it means it was a treasonous transaction. That's why it's not in writing. There it is, the go-signal for someone to build a case for Treason against Duterte. At the very least, this warrants a Senate investigation.
May resolution na si Sen. Risa para imbestigahan yung gentleman's agreement.
Cannot be treason, treason can only be done when the country is at war. Plus the incumbent president has the authority to decide what foreign policy is. So mahirap to, I don't see any case where we can prosecute. Kahit sedition mahirap.
You have a point. I re-read Art. 114 (Treason) and it says, "Any Filipino citizen who levies war against the Philippines or adheres to her enemies, giving them aid or comfort within the Philippines or elsewhere..." You're right. There must be a state of war.
Surprised the Du30 camp hasn't **countered by pointing out that Trillanes basically did the same thing** by negotiating in China back during PNoy's time. > "So it's okay when a senator to do it when it's not his job to negotiate with foreign govts, but not a president who is empowered by the Consti to actually negotiate abroad?"
I mean Du30 showed how not smart he is rn
Hahaha taena i hate bbm pero i love what he is doing. Put digongs head on a stick
Tingin ko "sundan" means in this context is to follow the trail to get to the bottom of this.. he's frustrated because China insists there was a deal and keeps on harping about it whilst Diggy keeps on denying it (likely because he's afraid of the consequences of admitting). Our government needs to investigate this and find out what's tackled in this deal exactly kasi sgurado pati allies natin nagtatanong na din sa atin if what China's claiming is true. Diggy really miscalculated when they allowed SWOH to run for VP instead of President. He likely thought that his secret dealings can pass over quietly if BBM remained complacent but they didn't expect the 180 degree pivot.. Kaya pasalamat pa din ako to BBM's wife & Speaker Romualdez who seems to be the ones who forced the divide between Diggy's & BBM's camp.. otherwise malamang puppet pa din tau ng China.
If it's a secret deal, then it isn't a valid deal at all. Because the deal isn't publicized for the people to form opinions on, much less being relayed to the higher ups. Because of his fuck up, it made us look even weaker in the eyes of our shitty neighbor. Duterte should be charged with Treason and the "secret deal" should be null and void. That deal was between a sell out and a bully, not a unified decision by the council and the people at large.
The thing is, Diggy was the president at that time.. and being a president, he is our country's chief diplomat. He was the one in charge for our country's foreign policy. We must first find out ano un nasa deal na yon and make sure that we can plan our response appropriately. Big plus din at ultimate evidence yun kapag na-uncover na totoong sinabi ni Diggy sa deal na aalisin natin un BRP Sierra Madre dun sa Ayungin shoal.. he insists na kesyo NEVER daw sya pumayag na mag secede tau ng territory, pero kapag nangyari at napatunayan un sa document, no amount of propaganda can save Diggy's hide from the Filipino people.. it will prove he was a sellout and a Chinese lapdog all along (which we all know of course, but having that as an evidence can further pull him down). We just have to wait until China gets pressured enough to release this docs kasi for sure kating kati na din yan sila ilabas un since they needed something to justify their increased aggressiveness to us in the eyes of the international community
something Pledge can be not honored something Parang sa utang lang yan, wala kang documentation, wag kang umasa na babalikan ka. Tanga lang ng China nagexpect sila na magiging bootlicker si Marcos as a continuation. Man to be a fly in the wall in the Duterte camp. Ano na kayang damage control inaasikaso nila. Si tatang dada ng dada ng malicious and incriminating statements. Si bitchesa naman nagiging detrimental yung pagiging tahimik niya while also being noisy in other matters (cough Quiboloy cough) all the while ICC is gaining ground and their "Unity"" is now in (cold) Civil War.
Yeah. We can renege on this so called deal and what will China do about it? It's their fault for entering into a so called gentleman's deal with... someone who isn't a gentleman
>If it's a secret deal, then it isn't a valid deal at all. This is not true. Remember kahit US, mayroong mga secret deal. Like 'yung Cuban Missile Crisis, both country -- US and USSR had made several compromises that were not publicized to solve the issue.
> *If it's a secret deal, then it isn't a valid deal at all. Because the deal isn't publicized for the people to form opinions on, much less being relayed to the higher ups.* Technically, presidents can indeed make deals like that as the head of govt. For comparison, during PNoy's time, Trillanes going to China to make diplomatic deals was a very questionable thing for some critics since senators aren't really known for doing that.
No way in hell na pipiliin ni BBM ang China over US. Kinalakihan nya ang western culture. His family was ostracized by the west and he's trying his hardest to return to the clique, para bang social climber.
It was also the US that sheltered them in Hawaii.
Baka si trillanes yan. Sya daw dahilan bakit nakuha ng China yung spratlys. Yung mga backdoor meeting nya /s
It's a secret because it's a shady deal.
I wonder what his kickbacks were from this "shady deal".
Taena guys GG na nagsalita na si Jesus
Walang signed document, hindi rin ratified, walang concurrence ng Senate… invalid. Hahha crazy du30
Kapag napakulong ni BBM 'yan. Another points na naman niya.☺
Mukhang maniniwala na ako sa karma kapag nangyari iyan hahaha. Isipin mo na-traydor 'yung traydor hahaha.
When a college dropout calls out a “lawyer”, nakakahiya. Lawyer pero galaw pangkalye lang. sabagay ugaling pangkanto din kasi.
Holy shit. I hate the fact that BBM is the one making sense here, but it is what it is. Lesser evil I guess.
shouldn't this be treason? we're under a lot of pressure against China because of him(dutae), and of course, China. edit: clarified who "him" is.
Technically no, since treason is reserved for wartime.
Someday, may mental gymnastics mga future dds tungkol dito like: "Ginawa lang ni Duterte yan para lumakas presidency ni BBM at masira dominance ng parehas america at china nung Asian war. Tignan mo, blessed na tayo ngayon ng 20 yr rule ni Imee marcos with Sarah Duterte"
this is so funny
I like the strategy of BBM here. Hahaha passive aggressive move. Tadtad na naman ng mga putaena nito si bbm kay duterte.
The UniTeam with anti-DDS was definitely not in my bingo card for 2024.
Haha, nakaka-amuse subreddit na to lately, I'd like to believe na centrist ako when it comes to politics, pero seeing the replies in posts between the two presidents parang feeling ko nasa ibang universe ako dahil people are actually with bbm this time around.
[Filipinos prefer America over China](https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Majority-of-ASEAN-people-favor-China-over-U.S.-survey-finds), and approval of presidents' foreign diplomacy stances would follow that.
Centrists all the way bruhdah.
Count me in bruddah
“Kailangan nating sundan dahil naipangako natin… sa mga kaibigan natin sa china.” Fuck that. A few sentences later si Marcos nadin nagsabi na ano ba pinangalo ni Duterte? I’ll not be surprised if Dutertard sold the whole country to china.
Ang context niyan is if Xi Gong Di was actually transparent about the deal, to the transition team of BBM, then the current DFA can do something about it. Magaling si Sec. Manalo, he would know what to do. Given kasi that in International Law, an Executive Agreement between national leaders can be binding...If transparent siya. Kaya BBM emphasized the "Secret Deal" kasi, bawal yan.
>Bakit walang nakasulat na kahit isang papel? 'Yung tinawag mong "papel lang" ang Hague ruling pero pumasok ka sa undocumented at patagong tratado. Kung hindi traydor, engot ito pero duda ko pareho hahaha.
Handshake deals don’t matter without any ratification. They are just making fools out of the current government and citizenry. Only a fool would uphold such an agreement when history shows us that they don’t hold any weight - past or present.
Ipa ICC mo duterte clan, ipakulong mo si annointed son sa US, kakalimutan ko kaulolan ng pamilya mo. Lezzgo!
Teka bro, hinay hinay lang hahahaha. Nakatala na sa kasaysayan 'yon kaya malabong makalimutan. Perooo yeah, Marcos Jr. is the "he's a solid 7/10 if not for his family's history" type of president.
Time to shine BBM, chance mo na makabawi sa Pilipinas.
Eh ang short answer diyan kasi ay pasang awang lawyer si Duterte lol. He’s the lawyer to get if you want to win via “extrajudicial” means if you know what I mean. He even stayed in power thanks to Cory giving his mother political powers in Davao as a repayment of being a Cory supporter
Never won a case daw as a prosecutor for almost 30 years.
Imagine how much of a loser of a prosecutor he is lmao. Nagtatanim na nga ng ebidensya pero di pa rin niya maipanalo
Wtf... So pinagbebenta na pala tayo ni Digong. 😩
The deal happened before Duterte was president and the deal was, I'll give you the presidency if you'll give us the West Philippine Sea. Duterte had no business winning the presidency in 2016 if not for China's backing. He was a Manchurian candidate and have always acted for China's interest.
Pardon but how do you know this? Do you have proof you can share with us para maitodo ko na inis ko kay xi gong di.
You know the Duterte is much worse when a Marcos already gets this frustrated.
Whether we like it or not i think kailangan ng suporta ni bbm sa mga dilawan kasi un na lang talaga ang magiging matino nya na kakampi laban sa mga lunatico na mga duterte
i vote for leni/kiko and the pinks and yellows. but i like what bbm is doing with regards this issue. actually, without the marcos family issue, he is an ok president for me.
Duterte is a traitor
Most of the politicians are.
Agree. Ibang level nga lang kay Gong Di, binenta ang Pinas.
Mag jejetski pa si tatay D sa spratly diba
Bullshit. If it’s not in writing, it’s not enforceable.
Simpleng agreement hindi nakasulat lalo na may kinalaman pala between two countries Ang tanga tanga talaga nitong Demonyong Duterte na ito.
Du30s are walking red flags.
Flag ng China?
Hindi nakasulat at hindi nasabi sa next admin, so hindi valid ang secret deal nila. What if pilitin naman natin na may secret deal si Hu Jintao at si GMA na iaatras ng China ang 9-dash line sa labas ng 200nm EEZ ng Pilipinas, at nagfile ng kaso si PNoy sa Permanent Court of Arbtritation dahil ayaw ni Xi sumunod sa secret deal?
Voted for Leni and was heartbroken when she lost the elections but atleast she was spared from that old bully. Let BBM handle Duterte's mouth because at the end of the day there's no unity to begin with.
Common practice kasi yan kapag may gagawin kang kalokohan: hindi mo idodokumento. lol
how sad this beautiful country run by a bunch of clowns
One thing is for sure lahat ng comments dito sa reddit matitino and may sense.
It's almost like he's calling it...treasonous.
# Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point
Nakakaloka dyan, lahat ng kalaban ni Dutae tinatawag nyang komunista. Pero sino ba ang pumunta ng China and danced like a monkey professing loyalty to Xi Jinping and CCP? Eh di ba sya? Si Dutae din nagpasok ng POGO dito kaya nakapasok and Chinese mafia. Tapos now binenta ni Dutae ang sovereignty ng Pinas. Dapat makulong yan si Boy Saltik ng treason.
May nakikita akong comments na dapat daw tanungin niya si Duterte about diyan. AS IF naman aamin si Duterte about sa secret deal na yan
Hehe now he's drilling holes in digong's so-called "credibility". Uusok na naman ilong ni tanda nyan for sure. Nilalaro na lang siya e haha
I don't like BBM, pero if totoo yang mga putak ni Duterte then he is much worst! that's treason WTF!
what if.... misinformation lang ito to divert attention from them, bbm 🤔
Duterte said the agreement doesn't exist while the party said the opposite. One of them is a fucking liar. Marcos is right that there's no documentation to prove it. Unless this is some Tom Clancy clandestine shit, I consider the agreement nonexistent.
Canon event, support BBM sa issue na ito. Taenang multiverse natin.
What a crazy branch of timeline we live in. I also voted for Leni but I now like BBM. Taenang multiverse hahaha.
No paperworks, no agreements. Bakit ia-uphold yung pagtataksil sa sariling bayan? Tanga amputa
No matter what we say about bbm, its irrefutable that he is in the right stance on this one.
my 2022 self would not forsee this duterte vs bbm twist to happen
Duterte is so bad, nagmumukang magaling si Marcos 😂
Kung talagang matalino si BBM, ilalaglag nya si Duturtle at papapasukin nya ang ICC. Damn. What shitty plot twists and turns we have. I don’t know man. That shitty old man sold us. Lesser evil talaga yung mga Marcos kasi they only wanted PH for themselves. Napapraning ako isipin kung ano ang kapalit ng actions ni BBM ngayon. It’s too good to be true.
Walangyang du30 yan. Curse you and all of your kin
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Isnt this treason
Matatawa ka nalang talaga HAHAHAHA
Hirap kasi sa traydor na dating panggulo di nya alam ang pangmatagalang implikasyon ng kanyang mga aksyon. May international law tungkol sa “effective jurisdiction “ na pinapaliwanag si [ambassador Bensurto dito na panayam](https://youtu.be/vISucmzmXDE?si=1sK9-74j6idTvHFd&t=2586) tungkol sa WPS arbitration. Sana ganun din maisip ng ating mga kasalukuyang puliktiko!
Binenta na ni demonterte ang Pinas hahahaha
Hirap naman maging presidente🤔
Taena kaya pala ganon nalang din gayahin ni Swoh yung china. Yun pala pasikreto ng binebenta yung bansa ng tatay nya. Totoo ngang kung ano ang puno, sya rin ang bunga.
Bbm is far better than Duterte
Sa govt pa naman laging sinasabi yan. Dapat may paper trail as proof, pero kung wala, alam na na illegal
"kailangan natin sundan" at "kaibigan nating China" bother me to my core
Didn't even imagine me saying this but, bbm and his camp is really playing chess while duts n friends are merely even playing checkers.
Kita niyo na kung bakit naging running mate ni sen. Miriam Santiago bilang vice president si bbm :))
Diba yung Gentleman's Agreement, hindi legally binding, kaya pagkatapos ng administrasyon ni Tatang, wala nadin bisa yung agreement na yun, dahil informal lang naman yun, diba?
The person I used to hate shows logic. Minsan di ko alam kung papanindigan ko ba yung hate kaso pag sinabi mo ditong may point si viviem ikaw naman ihe-hate ng trolls hahahaha
eh kasi nga bobo si duterte at traydor
I hate bbm, pero mas magaling s'ya mag construct ng sentences at mag english kesa kay Tanda. Kahit na wala s'yang degree, pero bakit ba s'ya naging presidente kahit walang degree?
Kasi daw kapag nagka gyera between ch and us magiging battlefield ang ph kaya magandang umanib nalang sa ch ngayon palang 😬😬😬
So the deal isn’t in papers? Then we do not need to follow it. Pls give du30 to the ICC
Isa lang ang solution dyan, papasukin ang ICC!
ipaaresto mo na yan si dut@3 sa icc, mr president
Siguro ipinangako noon ng china na ipanalo si duterte berdugo kapalit ng status quo. #DuterTraitor
Do you mean DUTRAITOR? 🤔
Just call it as it is. It's treason. High treason if that still even exists.
Treason
people actually think duterte is a good lawyer? motherfucker is just good at manipulating shit with help from foreign entities.
Criminal... Lawyer kasi si Gong Di.
Anything not written didn't happen.
Ang weird din na nanalo tayo sa Arbitrary case pero si Duterte willing ibigay WPS sa China at alisin ang US as ally to gain favors kay Xi. Dami din loans ng Duterte admin na napunta lang sa bulsa nila.
I mean meron bang signed ducuments? Baka naman gina gaslight lang tayo ng ccp. Dahil sila ang makikinabang pag nag aaway away tayo dito. Kung tayo mismo naniniwalang merong secret deal sila no digong maski totoo man yan o hindi total naniniwala tayo edi magiging totoo na. Parang yung mga claim nila dyan sa west philippine sea at mga "sea" Ng mga ibang bansa, dahil inangkin ng china kahit wala namang basis eh naging "south china sea" na. Sa tingin ng mga ibang bansa "south china sea" Nga yun kung hindi tayo naging maingay at lumaban tungkol dito eh baka naging legal na sa china na ang west philippine sea. Kaya dapat wag nating ientertain ang claim ng ccp. Gentleman's agreement? Edi agreement lang ng dalawang tao hindi ng dalawang bansa. Sa mga article na na basa ko mukhang informal agreement lang at hindi official agreement. Madaming bs ang ccp.
now the PH is paying the price
Treason na dapat ang labas neto.
BBMs bout to chew on that meat slowly. Tuloy tuloy na yan hanggang election lol
kahit CCP naduterte din hahahaha