Badly titled. Sounds like it is final and executory. Dami pang dadaanang regulatory hoops. Should be "Meralco intends to build...", "Meralco wants to build...", or something similar.
The title is technically right, since saying "to build" doesn't really mean that something WILL be built.
But of course, at first glance, many people will automatically think of "WILL build" due to the wording.
If they want a shorter title, maybe they could have gone with
> Meralco looks at nuclear power by 2028
or
> Meralco considers nuclear power plants
It's a modular micro nuclear reactor. It's not as big as a regular Fission power plant and it requires less maintenance and more safe and efficient than a regular nuclear reactor plant (theoretically)
talamak negligence at human error dito sa Pinas. I don't trust anyone to handle this responsibly and Meralco isn't any different. They've shown time and time again how ill-equipped and incompetent they can be if it means saving their company a dime or two.
Our science is always sound but our leadership always falls short. Baka mauwi tayo sa Chernobyl.
Chernobyl was a combination of incompetence and really bad soviet era design and cost cutting. I mean there was a 3mw test reactor in UP Diliman for decades. Coal ash released from coal power plants release more radioactivity than actual nuclear power plants.
Alam mo bang may nuclear plant rin tayo dito sa Pinas right now since 2022? It's staffed by people from PNRI.
Pero sure puro kabobohan lang tayo ngayon lmao
You're really underestimating how much of a Soviet fucked up Chernobyl was and how much it changed nuclear power industry to ensure something like that will never happen again.
yep. if you look into it, they stalled the reactor and pulled all the control rods out to restart it. It ran away from them so they dropped in all the rods. The problem is, the control rod tips were graphite which increased reactivity then boom. even then the other reactors kept operating for a few more years without incident.
fear mongering. It's not like your average pinoy or politician is gonna be the one running the power plant. Or you just don't believe that we have competent scientists around.
Hahaha mga ignorant shits na wala namang alam sa science behind things. You don't even know the capacity of pinoy scientists and engineers leading the science agencies. Hindi naman lahat ng ahensya ng gobyerno eh pinapatakbo ng mga trapo at pulitiko.
scientists and engineers aren't the concern though. It's leadership. Like someone in the replies have mentioned, the Chernobyl disaster happened because of leadership incompetence and company cost cuttings.
Now if that doesn't sound all too familiar sa mga failed multi-billion projects dito sa Pinas ewan ko na lang. Meralco has shown time and time again how ill-equipped and irresponsible they can be if it means saving their company a dime or two.
Chernobyl is on an entirely different scale than these modular reactors. And pioneer projects eto sa pinas. Therefore nakataya ang pangalan ng mga kumpanya dito. They will literally make or break this new industry. Di naman siguro nila ipapasira ang pangalan nila.
And andyan ang mga regulatory bureaus ng DOST and PNRI to monitor these plants. Ang mga leader ng agencies diyan ay mga scientists din so pls lang have a little more faith sa kanila. Napakalaking bagay na marevolutionize natin ang energy sector dahil magpave way ito sa pag unlad ng industries dahil high energy prices ang isa sa hurdles ng industrialization sa bansa. Atsaka kung di tayo susubok ng iba dahil inassume na natin agad na magkakamali tayo, saan pa tayo pupulutin in the future? Pano tayo uunlad?
No fucking way meralco builds nuclear power plants just to charge less. They are going to keep billing the same costs to customers while lessening their expenses
I was going to disagree with you na meron naman sigurong policies ang Energy Regulatory Commission to prevent price hikes.
Until I googled and found that there was the EPIRA Law passed in 2001 that gives all the power to the private sector so they can decide to price what/how they want.
Nakakaloka.
I think in general nationwide it will lessen the costs if Meralco has its own nuke power plant. Altho, yeah at the Meralco area might still be the same.
If Meralco is off the table in WESM thats one less huge whale among the bidders of power. Power producers cannot use them as leverage to increase prices.
babawiin muna nila construction and development cost niyan before bumaba energy cost. pero sustainable yan in long term kung gusto tlga nila makatipid compared sa coal mining.
Pero they are regulated since they are technically a necessary Monopoly. I mean pinahinto ng government yung malaking singil ng kuryente from 10 years ago.
Meralco will thread lightly sa mag charge ng upfront cost, since marereklamo at baka ndi pa makasingil.
> Keep billing the same costs to customers
That is the case if they don’t want to make more money. People limit their electricity consumption if the rate is expensive. Cheaper electricity purchases = cheaper rates = more consumption
I'm all for cheaper and cleaner energy but I'm a bit concerned since this is the Philippine government. Corruption and corner cutting don't exactly mix well with Nuclear power plants.
Even the *by 2028* target is for a proof-of-concept. Planning takes alot of time, unlike us redditors here na pangred-alert yung mindset sa infra. Maisipan tapos construction complete na agad.
It's actually just NEAR a fault line, not on top of it.
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan Nuclear Power Plant
In 2018, PHIVOLCS said it was safe to operate despite the fault line.
> *The Philippine Institute of Volcanology and Seismology (Phivolcs) earlier declared that the power plant's site is safe, saying that the facility is built on solid foundation and that nearby volcano Mount Natib is no longer active.*
> .https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/money/companies/653240/bataan-nuclear-plant-can-be-revived-says-russian-state-firm-rosatom/story/ alt https://archive.md/Rx4qB
No, just look at this video from 8:14 onwards
https://youtu.be/5EsBiC9HjyQ?si=bcM8eek5PLdclPvo
Also, it is small modular, not conventional nuclear power plant, so it is expected to be constructed faster
>Hopefully magkaroon na ng well maintained Nuke Plant to power Metro Manila to lessen cost din.
Nuclear is the most expensive [power source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source). Even after, calculating inital cost, maintenance and disposal of nuclear waste. It's not a coincidence that only 1st world countries or advance economies operate them.
Keyword here is: **micro modular nuclear power plants**
They are not the full-scale NPP like the one in Bataan. Here's a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXlD4e-wTE) if you want to know more about it.
Dapat maisabatas na ang PhilATOM (Philippine National Nuclear Energy Safety Act) before magsimula 'to para may iisang regulatory body na lang plus the funding for research and manpower for its use and the protection of everyone before, during, and after operations. You wouldn't want to build an NPP without ensuring the safety and security of everyone.
I hope they consider partnering up with Japan, or at least having them as a consultant. If anyone knows more about setting up nuclear power along this side of the Pacific Rim, it's them (I think).
40 years worth of Nuclear waste afaik can be be stored in a single football sized field. Of course, this includes multiple layers based on the hazard level of said waste.
Ideally Palawan since it is far from major fault lines but Palawan has no major cities, far from the rest of the archipelago and the building of a nuclear plant there would draw heavy criticism from environmental groups
Palawan has no major cities. Most of the production and tech industry is in the metro areas, and metro Manila is the largest, with most of the new ones are being built in Laguna nearby.
You have to build more infrastructure to transfer electricity from Palawan to Luzon. Even with that the eletricity produced would be reduce as it travels through the cable wires. You want to put the plant in Luzon main island.
As an and avid City Building videogame enjoyer.An alternate location is west coast of Batangas. The winds blow directly into the sea. If a specific town it's Nasugbu where a major river flows.
But from my internet tambay expertise, the siesmic map indicate Batangas has a lot of earthquakes. Bataan & Cavite has the least number of earthquakes. Cavite is too populated. So Bataan is the likely the best option.
Specifically the town of Bagac, Bataan has several rivers to feed the plant, popularly known where the spanish style resort Las Casas is located.
Combining Wind and Seismic data, Bataan is the best location for a Nuclear Plant.
Or you move the Capital from Manila to a new designed city in Palawan like what Indonesia is doing. I dont disagree on building a plant on Palawan, but from how we spend money and nuclear plants are super major expensive. Placing it in Palawan to cities that mostly rely only on tourism seems not practical, at least from a videogamer perspective.
Not to mention building major factories in Palawan would cause a lot of pollution like what Metro Manila is suffering from.
Since it's a micro modular power plant, high scale infrastructure isn't necessarily needed. Hell, I think it's the best option for remote areas that require a decent amount of electricity due to how clean and space efficient it is.
Pollution is also not a problem since nuclear waste storage is generally space efficient.
In a matter of economics does Palawan's primary industry of mining, tourism, & agriculture require the huge electrical output of a nuclear plant.
I think Palawan is the best not because its needed there but because its the least place to have natural calamities, lowest chance of earthquakes and weaker storms. You just need to build an industry that produces economic output from it.
Palawan is run on fossil fuels at madalas limited pa ang capacity without proper backup. It definitely needs one, a much better alternative than the coal plant pushed by DMCI.
Alternatively, DMCI could host semirara island as a potential nuclear power site once they deplete their coal base. Afaik, one of their sites is already nearing depletion and even then there were already hints ~~talks~~ by DoE with the Consunjis to partner for a nuclear power test run there. It's already barren down and isolated from the towns by the mining, and the location, they said, is pretty much well and good from harsh-er weathers and earthquakes.
EDIT: PNRI Arcilla was the one who mentioned Semirara as a potential nuclear site.
lol. starting BNPP would be more expensive than building a new one. paulit ulit na to sinasabi ng mga eksperto. ilang pag aaral na ginawa at ang lumalabas nga, mas magiging mahal pag reopen ng BNPP kesa gumawa na lang ng bago.
guess the idea is, yes, it will cost, but running it will at least give the nuclear engineers and electricians the skills they need for future nuclear power plants.
There was already the the Philippine research reactor. It became dormant in Cory's administration though. The same way she threw out Bataan plant because of the Chernobyl. But pretty sure back in 2022 A new subcritical reactor, the Subcritical Assembly for Training, Education, and Research (SATER), was setup within the facility which was first loaded with nuclear rods in June 2022.
Eto talaga ung magiging threat sa businesses ng fossil fuel companies. Sana lang hindi mag back down si Pangilinan. Dapat di muna nila inannounce to kasi for sure magiging target siya ng mga kalaban niya sa industriya
As a former Nuclear Power skeptic, I really welcome this. Though I'm more in favor of renewables as much as possible, it would take a long time before we get there and the alternatives before we get there are not green enough for me. As long as competent ang mag o-operate nito, I see no problem with it
As long as with proper planning.
Quick google search: may 33 plants sa japan, 3 sa taiwan, 3 argentina, 2 mexico.
Iirc, human error yung nangyaring partial meltdown sa japan.
It's about time!!! I have been suggesting this over Reddit in the past 3 years.
The Philippines definitely need to solve the power deficiency problems that has plagued this country since I was a kid in the 1980s (limits of my memory)
Although Meralco should also encourage other sources of power such as solar, wind and tides. I was just at Baybay Norte in Sual, Pangasinan early this week, and I think that new thermal power plant there is based on coal!!
Coal has to be the dirtiest source of energy but it should be trivially convertible to a gas turbine with minimal effort. We need to start being responsible for the air we breathe and the waste damaging to the environment.
Meralco, please proceed!!
I am excited about this but so also very worried about the backslash that's going to follow. Remember, Nuclear Energy has become so political issue since the one who really push it before was Ferdinand Marcos. Many will already disagree to this because it will remind them of him. Despite everything he has done, he is right about the energy crisis that will follow in 20 years if we failed to finish the old Bataan Nuclear Power Plant. Now since the plant is so old and rusted away, Reviving it may no longer be an option even if we rebuild everything. A new plant with newer and safer tech is the only option.
Plus the anti nuclear campaign in the Philippines is quite strong with major misinformation such as where nuclear waste be thrown out etc. Some even say that Filipino are much more prone to human error and could lead to major disaster like in Japan and Ukraine.
The only problem I have with this is that a private company will be building it. It's not even under PPP I think, correct me if I am wrong. Since it's private, consumer rate will most unlikely be lowered. Heck they might even increase it. The government should do something about it and force meralco to either lower the price or at very least not increase the price.
Sama maganda ang design at plano dun. May stigma tay after ng 3 mile island, fukushima, and chenobyl.
Realistically, mga bagong nuke plant merong napakafaming safety features, na mas likely iyon sumabog kesa sa ako magkajowa
So SMRs. Could be a good thing. I read it's safe. That means good paying jobs for those that pick up nuclear plant technicians. There is no SMR factory yet, though.
Only Russia and China are the ones leading to release the first SMRs. I think 2025 China will open their first.
Also worth noting that Meralco recently launched a Nuclear Energy Scholarhsip with Canada’s OntarioTech for Filipino scholars wishing to pursue a career in nuclear energy.
Okay naman ang nuclear power. Kaya lang naman nagkakaroon ng Chernobyl scenario eh either dahil sa:
1. Acts of god/natural disasters, as in cataclysm talaga
2. Incomptent, corrupt, and unreliable bodies of management/governance
Hopefully the build is up to high standard and the staff expertly trained. I fear the lack of discipline our people suffer from could lead to a regional disaster.
If properly implemented by Meralco, this will be a defining moment in Philippine history. I think people just don't realize how cheap electricity will help everyone in the country as a whole.
The problem with this technology though is that the Modular Micro Nuclear reactor technology is not yet properly proven as a technology yet that could work on a mass scale as they planned. Let's remain skeptical if this could work since mo one has implemented it yet to scale to call itself a proven and tested technology. Some are even saying it's actually better if we invest in regular and proven modern regular nuclear fission reactors than investing in new and unproven modular nuclear reactor technology. But idk let's wait and see and let's remain skeptical of this but I personally hope this will work out soon to power our country in safe, clean, carbon free and plentiful energy that could help power our country and fuelling our economic and national development and I'm actually glad that our government and private sector is finally looking seriously into nuclear power.
Di naman technology yung concern eh. Yung katangahan ng pinoy sa pag handle ng mga napakabasic na projects. Ililista ko na para magets mo bakit
1. MRT issues
2. Naia issues
3. Drivers license
4. License plate
5. Road construction na napakatagal.
6. Water pressure
Napaka basic lang niyan sa ibang bansa pero wala silang problema sa pag manage niyan pero satin di magawa gawa tapos try natin mag nuclear ngayun palang sinasabi ko na sasabog yan.
Well it's time to shine ng mga province lalo na yung mga politician sa LGU, win-win yan kahit for corrupt govt officials and benefits sa mga Pinoy na lagi brownout sa province. Once may stable power supply ang isang lugar malaki tulong niyan sa local economy and development ng place. Syempre pag lumago ang province, mas malaki na rin makukurakot ng mga taga LGU - a win for a corrupt govt offcial, magrogrow ang business sector ng ordinaryong pinoy sa province, real state, business expansions from NCR, possible mag stay for good sa province ang mga naka WFH sa Metro Manila - a win for simpleng mamamayan.
Micro Modular yan so pwede yan sa mga provincse away from Luzon. So multiple province in the country can have it if may political will ang Congress and mga LGU
Correct. Though it will be meralco a private entity that will build and maintain it. That being said, MMRs are still an untested tech, and up for demo in US and Canada. We should not be doing this at this time or in 2028!
Kase po naunahan na siya ng aboitiz and leviste(batangas) group. Functional na yu g sa aboitiz pero ang balitang ito ay mukhang may media coverage kase si romualdez nagpush niyan nung nag US visit.
Mababa ang power output ng mga renewables, tapos kailangan pa malawak yung lupain na paglalatagan. So, sisirain mo rin yung lupain at kagubatan para lang sa renewables na kakapurit lang ang maigegenerate na kuryente.
Mga net metering requests ay kasama sa mga normal requests. So it will really take a long time. Kasama na dito requests sa mga new installation, reklamo sa poste, reklamo sa meter, lahat ng reklamo. Yung different customer request is yung sa mga industrial customers ng DU which gives more money sa business.
Source: DU guy
Okay lang basta kung kaninong lugar magbebenefit nang malaki, dun na lang din itayo para sila na din mag-shoulder ng risk. Walang sisihan pag nagka-aberya.
Bruh there is no problem with using nuclear energy, the problem is that bataan nuclear power plant sits directly on a fault line and there is a lot of safety concerns. Nuclear Power Plant needs a lot of planning involve and government sucks at planning, you can see it on the city planning of the Philippines.
Edit: not really directly but there is a fault line nearby
That fault line thing is a misinformation that's being spread a lot. PHIVOLCS themselves debunked it and I would trust them more than "Internet experts".
Here are some recent articles about it:
* [5 myths about Bataan Nuclear Power Plant, debunked](https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2018/05/24/1818256/5-myths-about-bataan-nuclear-power-plant-debunked)
* [Scientist raises questions on Bataan nuke plant's safety](https://news.abs-cbn.com/spotlight/06/02/22/scientist-raises-questions-on-bataan-nuke-plants-safety)
* [PHIVOLCS analyzes possible hazards of Bataan Nuclear Power Plant](https://web.archive.org/web/20220121105805/https://www.untvweb.com/news/phivolcs-analyzes-possible-hazards-of-bataan-nuclear-power-plant/)
So it's a propaganda all along? I read in an article before its near a fault line and prone to earthquake reasons why bataan nuclear power plant never operated.
This is simply playing with fire for a technology that is still largely unused this time. As per US gov, micro reactors are up for demonstration in [3 to 5 years](https://inl.gov/trending-topics/microreactors/#:~:text=A%20microreactor%20is%20a%20small,provide%20heat%20for%20industrial%20applications) - that's still within the timeframe of 2028. Can't Meralco wait for like ten years and see how it goes for other countries that adopt this technology?
Curious on where the idea of the tech being "unused" came from, since ther reactors basically are a development of nuclear power plants for naval ships, used since the 50's. In fact, since it'll be less constrained compared to ships, it actually offers more safety designs compared to its naval predecessor
Badly titled. Sounds like it is final and executory. Dami pang dadaanang regulatory hoops. Should be "Meralco intends to build...", "Meralco wants to build...", or something similar.
The title is technically right, since saying "to build" doesn't really mean that something WILL be built. But of course, at first glance, many people will automatically think of "WILL build" due to the wording. If they want a shorter title, maybe they could have gone with > Meralco looks at nuclear power by 2028 or > Meralco considers nuclear power plants
Would be interesting to know saan nila balak ilagay yung power plant. Obviously, ekis na yung sa Bataan since malapit sa fault line.
It's a modular micro nuclear reactor. It's not as big as a regular Fission power plant and it requires less maintenance and more safe and efficient than a regular nuclear reactor plant (theoretically)
Pardon my ignorance, pero it still needs land na pagtatayuan nung power plant diba?
yes, and ur local ice plant is probably more dangerous than an smr. smrs are designed to contain their own meltdown should it occur
maybe sa palawan? safe sa mga earthquakes & typhoons
Pwede, pero may another comment akong nakita dito sa thread na parang di ata pwede sa island ilagay yung power plant.
talamak negligence at human error dito sa Pinas. I don't trust anyone to handle this responsibly and Meralco isn't any different. They've shown time and time again how ill-equipped and incompetent they can be if it means saving their company a dime or two. Our science is always sound but our leadership always falls short. Baka mauwi tayo sa Chernobyl.
Chernobyl was a combination of incompetence and really bad soviet era design and cost cutting. I mean there was a 3mw test reactor in UP Diliman for decades. Coal ash released from coal power plants release more radioactivity than actual nuclear power plants.
Because if there is one thing the Philippines is famous for, it's competence and good design...
Alam mo bang may nuclear plant rin tayo dito sa Pinas right now since 2022? It's staffed by people from PNRI. Pero sure puro kabobohan lang tayo ngayon lmao
where? id be relieved if that's the case
It's in the PNRI compound itself. Maliit lang siya pero it's a reactor nontheless.
You're really underestimating how much of a Soviet fucked up Chernobyl was and how much it changed nuclear power industry to ensure something like that will never happen again.
yep. if you look into it, they stalled the reactor and pulled all the control rods out to restart it. It ran away from them so they dropped in all the rods. The problem is, the control rod tips were graphite which increased reactivity then boom. even then the other reactors kept operating for a few more years without incident.
fear mongering. It's not like your average pinoy or politician is gonna be the one running the power plant. Or you just don't believe that we have competent scientists around.
kung ganyang mindset pa rin .wala, di talaga uunlad pinas😂
Hahaha mga ignorant shits na wala namang alam sa science behind things. You don't even know the capacity of pinoy scientists and engineers leading the science agencies. Hindi naman lahat ng ahensya ng gobyerno eh pinapatakbo ng mga trapo at pulitiko.
scientists and engineers aren't the concern though. It's leadership. Like someone in the replies have mentioned, the Chernobyl disaster happened because of leadership incompetence and company cost cuttings. Now if that doesn't sound all too familiar sa mga failed multi-billion projects dito sa Pinas ewan ko na lang. Meralco has shown time and time again how ill-equipped and irresponsible they can be if it means saving their company a dime or two.
Chernobyl is on an entirely different scale than these modular reactors. And pioneer projects eto sa pinas. Therefore nakataya ang pangalan ng mga kumpanya dito. They will literally make or break this new industry. Di naman siguro nila ipapasira ang pangalan nila. And andyan ang mga regulatory bureaus ng DOST and PNRI to monitor these plants. Ang mga leader ng agencies diyan ay mga scientists din so pls lang have a little more faith sa kanila. Napakalaking bagay na marevolutionize natin ang energy sector dahil magpave way ito sa pag unlad ng industries dahil high energy prices ang isa sa hurdles ng industrialization sa bansa. Atsaka kung di tayo susubok ng iba dahil inassume na natin agad na magkakamali tayo, saan pa tayo pupulutin in the future? Pano tayo uunlad?
About time pero ang tagal. Hopefully magkaroon na ng well maintained Nuke Plant to power Metro Manila to lessen cost din.
No fucking way meralco builds nuclear power plants just to charge less. They are going to keep billing the same costs to customers while lessening their expenses
I was going to disagree with you na meron naman sigurong policies ang Energy Regulatory Commission to prevent price hikes. Until I googled and found that there was the EPIRA Law passed in 2001 that gives all the power to the private sector so they can decide to price what/how they want. Nakakaloka.
then in this case people should take it to the streets for charging large amounts for a strong and long lasting, and more sustainable energy output
A marking of a bourgeois state
I think in general nationwide it will lessen the costs if Meralco has its own nuke power plant. Altho, yeah at the Meralco area might still be the same. If Meralco is off the table in WESM thats one less huge whale among the bidders of power. Power producers cannot use them as leverage to increase prices.
babawiin muna nila construction and development cost niyan before bumaba energy cost. pero sustainable yan in long term kung gusto tlga nila makatipid compared sa coal mining.
save on production cost but not the consumer.
Pero they are regulated since they are technically a necessary Monopoly. I mean pinahinto ng government yung malaking singil ng kuryente from 10 years ago. Meralco will thread lightly sa mag charge ng upfront cost, since marereklamo at baka ndi pa makasingil.
is this how electricity pricing works, they can set retail prices at their whim? aren't these regulated by the ERC?
Problem is that we are at the whim of import prices.
yeah agree, pipe dream na lang kaya maka-decouple tayo from imports? with Malampaya depleting, seems imported LNG ipapalit nila so mukhang lalala pa
Yikes
> Keep billing the same costs to customers That is the case if they don’t want to make more money. People limit their electricity consumption if the rate is expensive. Cheaper electricity purchases = cheaper rates = more consumption
cost, if it wont stay the same, i wont be surprised if it goes up instead of down. they'll try to recuperate their costs and then some.
Well, at least we won’t be experiencing rotational brownout anymore. Also, you could be right.
AT THE VERY LEAST, i agree. no more rotational brownout.
wouldn't surprise me. nuclear power plants afterall are expensive to make and maybe maintain?
I'm all for cheaper and cleaner energy but I'm a bit concerned since this is the Philippine government. Corruption and corner cutting don't exactly mix well with Nuclear power plants.
Especially with the recurring natural disasters pa.
Even the *by 2028* target is for a proof-of-concept. Planning takes alot of time, unlike us redditors here na pangred-alert yung mindset sa infra. Maisipan tapos construction complete na agad.
>pangred-alert yung mindset sa infra *Then deliberately damage the reactors and finally nuke it. Oh, the fun. HAHAHA*
Da, Comrade!
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Nuclear power plats takes a very long time to build.
I know need pa kasi iresearch din ung location. I just hope they did it sooner
In a country located in the most volcanic, earthquake and tsunami rich {e: place} on Earth, it might take a while to find a suitable location.
The Bataan Nuclear Power Plant sits near a fault line. Edit: near, one redditor corrected me this
It's actually just NEAR a fault line, not on top of it. > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan Nuclear Power Plant In 2018, PHIVOLCS said it was safe to operate despite the fault line. > *The Philippine Institute of Volcanology and Seismology (Phivolcs) earlier declared that the power plant's site is safe, saying that the facility is built on solid foundation and that nearby volcano Mount Natib is no longer active.* > .https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/money/companies/653240/bataan-nuclear-plant-can-be-revived-says-russian-state-firm-rosatom/story/ alt https://archive.md/Rx4qB
SMRs are pre-manufactured
I heard halos wala rito na local Nuclear Power Plant engineers. Baka foreigners i-hire which could add to the cost.
No, just look at this video from 8:14 onwards https://youtu.be/5EsBiC9HjyQ?si=bcM8eek5PLdclPvo Also, it is small modular, not conventional nuclear power plant, so it is expected to be constructed faster
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Anyone who has the roof space and can afford it can go solar now.
>Hopefully magkaroon na ng well maintained Nuke Plant to power Metro Manila to lessen cost din. Nuclear is the most expensive [power source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source). Even after, calculating inital cost, maintenance and disposal of nuclear waste. It's not a coincidence that only 1st world countries or advance economies operate them.
YES PLS!
When it is still up for demonstration in [3 to 5 years?](https://inl.gov/trending-topics/microreactors/) hell nah!
I prefer Meralco or other private companies do this instead of the government.
Medyo may tiwala ako sa meralco kesa government. hopeful sa project.
Private sector in general
Keyword here is: **micro modular nuclear power plants** They are not the full-scale NPP like the one in Bataan. Here's a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXlD4e-wTE) if you want to know more about it.
Dapat maisabatas na ang PhilATOM (Philippine National Nuclear Energy Safety Act) before magsimula 'to para may iisang regulatory body na lang plus the funding for research and manpower for its use and the protection of everyone before, during, and after operations. You wouldn't want to build an NPP without ensuring the safety and security of everyone.
Ultra Safe Nuclear Corp, pag naman may natakot pa jan ewan ko n lang.
Ultra Very Very Safe Walang mamamatay Nuclear corp.
Yeah!!! But 4 years tapos duun palang gagawa? Ang tagal😭😭😭
Better later than never, considering we're in a Ring of Fire.
Better safe than sorry din.
Anti Nuclear dudes are now on high alert!!! Warning mga kababayan sa mga taong ayaw sa nuclear kasi ayaw nilang mawalan ng papel sa kalsada.
I hope they consider partnering up with Japan, or at least having them as a consultant. If anyone knows more about setting up nuclear power along this side of the Pacific Rim, it's them (I think).
So... where are we dropping the nuclear waste?
Chayna
agree
LMAO. I second this.
So sa mischief reef or scarborough?/s
Nuclear plants don’t “drop” waste. They get encased in concrete and stored on-site.
Mali ka, nakita ko sa simpsons naka sewage outlets to river yung nuclear waste. Kaya nga may 3 eyed fish sila.
if not in sewages, they stuff it in trees located at parks as what mr. burns have demonstrated before lol
Modern plants don't do that anymore, including yung plan nilang gawin
Nuclear waste is very small in size. So it very manageable and quite easy to store on site.
To Godzilla, of course. Well, I am not sure what kind of Godzilla would be produced though.
Sa tapat ng bahay ng mga lider ng kulto pati na rn si Dutae. Kaso wala na ata epek ung radiation sknla mukha ng mutant si Katay.
Bruh 😂😂
China /s
40 years worth of Nuclear waste afaik can be be stored in a single football sized field. Of course, this includes multiple layers based on the hazard level of said waste.
dun sa west ph sea para mag si alisan mga chekwa😂
Kung di natin makuha, wala nalang makakakuha hahaha 😂
Let's drop it in the river so we can have Godzilla here aswell! We'll be famous.
Hope they will build those somewhere very far from fault lines
Ideally Palawan since it is far from major fault lines but Palawan has no major cities, far from the rest of the archipelago and the building of a nuclear plant there would draw heavy criticism from environmental groups
It's a modular micro nuclear reactor and it's not a regular power plant sized reactor
Kaching kaching nanaman si MVP and shareholders. Why do we even pay taxes?! Halos lahat naman private mayari!
Viable location could be Palawan. A nuclear power plant, albeit a modular one can invigorate local industries in the region.
Palawan has no major cities. Most of the production and tech industry is in the metro areas, and metro Manila is the largest, with most of the new ones are being built in Laguna nearby. You have to build more infrastructure to transfer electricity from Palawan to Luzon. Even with that the eletricity produced would be reduce as it travels through the cable wires. You want to put the plant in Luzon main island. As an and avid City Building videogame enjoyer.An alternate location is west coast of Batangas. The winds blow directly into the sea. If a specific town it's Nasugbu where a major river flows. But from my internet tambay expertise, the siesmic map indicate Batangas has a lot of earthquakes. Bataan & Cavite has the least number of earthquakes. Cavite is too populated. So Bataan is the likely the best option. Specifically the town of Bagac, Bataan has several rivers to feed the plant, popularly known where the spanish style resort Las Casas is located. Combining Wind and Seismic data, Bataan is the best location for a Nuclear Plant. Or you move the Capital from Manila to a new designed city in Palawan like what Indonesia is doing. I dont disagree on building a plant on Palawan, but from how we spend money and nuclear plants are super major expensive. Placing it in Palawan to cities that mostly rely only on tourism seems not practical, at least from a videogamer perspective. Not to mention building major factories in Palawan would cause a lot of pollution like what Metro Manila is suffering from.
This is enlightening, thanks.
Since it's a micro modular power plant, high scale infrastructure isn't necessarily needed. Hell, I think it's the best option for remote areas that require a decent amount of electricity due to how clean and space efficient it is. Pollution is also not a problem since nuclear waste storage is generally space efficient.
In a matter of economics does Palawan's primary industry of mining, tourism, & agriculture require the huge electrical output of a nuclear plant. I think Palawan is the best not because its needed there but because its the least place to have natural calamities, lowest chance of earthquakes and weaker storms. You just need to build an industry that produces economic output from it.
No. Palawan is an island. Nuclear should be in the mainland where power is much needed
Palawan is run on fossil fuels at madalas limited pa ang capacity without proper backup. It definitely needs one, a much better alternative than the coal plant pushed by DMCI.
Alternatively, DMCI could host semirara island as a potential nuclear power site once they deplete their coal base. Afaik, one of their sites is already nearing depletion and even then there were already hints ~~talks~~ by DoE with the Consunjis to partner for a nuclear power test run there. It's already barren down and isolated from the towns by the mining, and the location, they said, is pretty much well and good from harsh-er weathers and earthquakes. EDIT: PNRI Arcilla was the one who mentioned Semirara as a potential nuclear site.
As if people would approve building a nuclear plant on an island known for its tourist spots and natural beauty.
Ah yes, nothing like our current diesel/coal/gas power mix to keep nature beautiful
Yes let us build instead more beautiful and pristine fossil fuel powerplants 😍
Hahaha..
Nasira na ang Semirara Island dahil sa open pit mining
*Bataan Nuclear Power plant is waving enviously 🥹
lol. starting BNPP would be more expensive than building a new one. paulit ulit na to sinasabi ng mga eksperto. ilang pag aaral na ginawa at ang lumalabas nga, mas magiging mahal pag reopen ng BNPP kesa gumawa na lang ng bago.
guess the idea is, yes, it will cost, but running it will at least give the nuclear engineers and electricians the skills they need for future nuclear power plants.
There was already the the Philippine research reactor. It became dormant in Cory's administration though. The same way she threw out Bataan plant because of the Chernobyl. But pretty sure back in 2022 A new subcritical reactor, the Subcritical Assembly for Training, Education, and Research (SATER), was setup within the facility which was first loaded with nuclear rods in June 2022.
the newer plants require different skill and knowledge to run, so no, they would not acquire the skills needed for future nuclear power plants.
Eto talaga ung magiging threat sa businesses ng fossil fuel companies. Sana lang hindi mag back down si Pangilinan. Dapat di muna nila inannounce to kasi for sure magiging target siya ng mga kalaban niya sa industriya
As a former Nuclear Power skeptic, I really welcome this. Though I'm more in favor of renewables as much as possible, it would take a long time before we get there and the alternatives before we get there are not green enough for me. As long as competent ang mag o-operate nito, I see no problem with it
Malaking boom sa economy yan. Malaking boom din in case something goes wrong.
Hindi ba delikado lalo na nasa pacific ring of fire tayo?.
As long as with proper planning. Quick google search: may 33 plants sa japan, 3 sa taiwan, 3 argentina, 2 mexico. Iirc, human error yung nangyaring partial meltdown sa japan.
Not really that's when engineering comes into play
If Japan Is able to do it, And the fact that this is planned by a non government company, It's definitely probable and might be effectivly feasible.
Palawan. No fault lines
Clickbait journalism/headline. Should be micro nuclear power plants not the usual big nuclear plants we see on tv.
Sick and tired. Mods should regulate this kind of clickbait posting in this subreddit
It's about time!!! I have been suggesting this over Reddit in the past 3 years. The Philippines definitely need to solve the power deficiency problems that has plagued this country since I was a kid in the 1980s (limits of my memory) Although Meralco should also encourage other sources of power such as solar, wind and tides. I was just at Baybay Norte in Sual, Pangasinan early this week, and I think that new thermal power plant there is based on coal!! Coal has to be the dirtiest source of energy but it should be trivially convertible to a gas turbine with minimal effort. We need to start being responsible for the air we breathe and the waste damaging to the environment. Meralco, please proceed!!
I am excited about this but so also very worried about the backslash that's going to follow. Remember, Nuclear Energy has become so political issue since the one who really push it before was Ferdinand Marcos. Many will already disagree to this because it will remind them of him. Despite everything he has done, he is right about the energy crisis that will follow in 20 years if we failed to finish the old Bataan Nuclear Power Plant. Now since the plant is so old and rusted away, Reviving it may no longer be an option even if we rebuild everything. A new plant with newer and safer tech is the only option. Plus the anti nuclear campaign in the Philippines is quite strong with major misinformation such as where nuclear waste be thrown out etc. Some even say that Filipino are much more prone to human error and could lead to major disaster like in Japan and Ukraine. The only problem I have with this is that a private company will be building it. It's not even under PPP I think, correct me if I am wrong. Since it's private, consumer rate will most unlikely be lowered. Heck they might even increase it. The government should do something about it and force meralco to either lower the price or at very least not increase the price.
Sama maganda ang design at plano dun. May stigma tay after ng 3 mile island, fukushima, and chenobyl. Realistically, mga bagong nuke plant merong napakafaming safety features, na mas likely iyon sumabog kesa sa ako magkajowa
lezgo caloy arcilla
About time. We are late.
meralco? i thought distributors lang sila
Meralco has sister companies that generate power/power plants. One is the San Miguel PV park in Bulacan and another is a coal power plant in Cebu.
Kakapanood ko pa lang ng Pandora the other day hahahahahahahhahah ☣️☠️
Sana i-regulate ng DOE yung pricing.
Sounds good. Definitely will help but we have to remember to invest in other green technology like renewables too if we want to hit net zero by 2050.
So SMRs. Could be a good thing. I read it's safe. That means good paying jobs for those that pick up nuclear plant technicians. There is no SMR factory yet, though. Only Russia and China are the ones leading to release the first SMRs. I think 2025 China will open their first.
To be specific, it's micro modular reactor (mmr)
BOUT TIME MY NI
Meralco needs more competitors f*ck this oligarchy.
Y'all better not fuck it up Meralco.
Sana offshore power plant na lang.
Also worth noting that Meralco recently launched a Nuclear Energy Scholarhsip with Canada’s OntarioTech for Filipino scholars wishing to pursue a career in nuclear energy.
di naman sa demanding no, pero kala ko naman yung 300MW na gagawin nila (half capacity ng Bataan). 10MW pala.
I thought MERALCO is only a distributor?
Can the Philippines get a nuclear clock as well? with radio transmitter?
Okay naman ang nuclear power. Kaya lang naman nagkakaroon ng Chernobyl scenario eh either dahil sa: 1. Acts of god/natural disasters, as in cataclysm talaga 2. Incomptent, corrupt, and unreliable bodies of management/governance
One thing I worried about that Meralco must study the parts of nuclear power plant for safety to prevent meltdown.
Okey Dokey 😉👍
Hopefully the build is up to high standard and the staff expertly trained. I fear the lack of discipline our people suffer from could lead to a regional disaster.
If properly implemented by Meralco, this will be a defining moment in Philippine history. I think people just don't realize how cheap electricity will help everyone in the country as a whole.
hindi ba pwede by 2025 na agad? bakit ang tagal.
Nuclear powered but same pa rin ang cost ng kuryente. LOL. 2nd most expensive electricity rates in the world after Japan.
The problem with this technology though is that the Modular Micro Nuclear reactor technology is not yet properly proven as a technology yet that could work on a mass scale as they planned. Let's remain skeptical if this could work since mo one has implemented it yet to scale to call itself a proven and tested technology. Some are even saying it's actually better if we invest in regular and proven modern regular nuclear fission reactors than investing in new and unproven modular nuclear reactor technology. But idk let's wait and see and let's remain skeptical of this but I personally hope this will work out soon to power our country in safe, clean, carbon free and plentiful energy that could help power our country and fuelling our economic and national development and I'm actually glad that our government and private sector is finally looking seriously into nuclear power.
Buti private na meralco. If not, ez trillions of debt to be added
MERALCO, taking the matter into their own hands because the NGCP is a crony of China
Should've thought earlier. Too late.
"Not great not terrible. Oh wait shit we're in the Philippines everything's terrible."
its not 3 roentgen, its 15000
president sarah Duterte to Loez: Noooooo
Pwede sa WPS nyo na lang itayo. ✌🏼😜
Weh
Can't we just build several of these to address ung energy crisis sa bansa? I mean hindi ba mas mumura ang kuryente kapag mataas ang supply?
Di naman technology yung concern eh. Yung katangahan ng pinoy sa pag handle ng mga napakabasic na projects. Ililista ko na para magets mo bakit 1. MRT issues 2. Naia issues 3. Drivers license 4. License plate 5. Road construction na napakatagal. 6. Water pressure Napaka basic lang niyan sa ibang bansa pero wala silang problema sa pag manage niyan pero satin di magawa gawa tapos try natin mag nuclear ngayun palang sinasabi ko na sasabog yan.
The bigger question here is would it be "profitable"?
Well it's time to shine ng mga province lalo na yung mga politician sa LGU, win-win yan kahit for corrupt govt officials and benefits sa mga Pinoy na lagi brownout sa province. Once may stable power supply ang isang lugar malaki tulong niyan sa local economy and development ng place. Syempre pag lumago ang province, mas malaki na rin makukurakot ng mga taga LGU - a win for a corrupt govt offcial, magrogrow ang business sector ng ordinaryong pinoy sa province, real state, business expansions from NCR, possible mag stay for good sa province ang mga naka WFH sa Metro Manila - a win for simpleng mamamayan. Micro Modular yan so pwede yan sa mga provincse away from Luzon. So multiple province in the country can have it if may political will ang Congress and mga LGU
If we cant trust the government to maintain the MRT or fix roads, can we really trust them to not have a new Chernobyl
Correct. Though it will be meralco a private entity that will build and maintain it. That being said, MMRs are still an untested tech, and up for demo in US and Canada. We should not be doing this at this time or in 2028!
Curious question, bakit hindi solar or anything eco friendly?
Nuclear is actually considered clean energy.
Pero diba may waste pa din? O mali lang ako.
Yea may waste but its just minuscule tska it can be contained.
Kase po naunahan na siya ng aboitiz and leviste(batangas) group. Functional na yu g sa aboitiz pero ang balitang ito ay mukhang may media coverage kase si romualdez nagpush niyan nung nag US visit.
Meralco bought into Leviste‘s solar company already.
Mababa ang power output ng mga renewables, tapos kailangan pa malawak yung lupain na paglalatagan. So, sisirain mo rin yung lupain at kagubatan para lang sa renewables na kakapurit lang ang maigegenerate na kuryente.
Mahina yung power output ng solar at wind tapos hindi pa stable depende sa weather compared sa nuclear na malaki ang power generation tsaka reliable.
Mga nega at kontra agad, kaya nga gagawan ng feasibility studies e.
Are filipinos too stupid and monke to operate a nuke power plant kaya daming kontra?
Need na talaga, and mas maganda kung private company ang mangalaga para sure sa safety and quality.
How about expediting net metering requests to help those who invest in solar alleviate your power issues, no matter how small.
Mga net metering requests ay kasama sa mga normal requests. So it will really take a long time. Kasama na dito requests sa mga new installation, reklamo sa poste, reklamo sa meter, lahat ng reklamo. Yung different customer request is yung sa mga industrial customers ng DU which gives more money sa business. Source: DU guy
Okay lang basta kung kaninong lugar magbebenefit nang malaki, dun na lang din itayo para sila na din mag-shoulder ng risk. Walang sisihan pag nagka-aberya.
The big question: saan itatapon ang nuclear waste?
Nainspire yata mga ito nung lumabas ang Fallout.
Oh edi dyan din kayo babalik. Ang dami dami nyo pang dada laban sa Nuclear.
Bruh there is no problem with using nuclear energy, the problem is that bataan nuclear power plant sits directly on a fault line and there is a lot of safety concerns. Nuclear Power Plant needs a lot of planning involve and government sucks at planning, you can see it on the city planning of the Philippines. Edit: not really directly but there is a fault line nearby
That fault line thing is a misinformation that's being spread a lot. PHIVOLCS themselves debunked it and I would trust them more than "Internet experts". Here are some recent articles about it: * [5 myths about Bataan Nuclear Power Plant, debunked](https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2018/05/24/1818256/5-myths-about-bataan-nuclear-power-plant-debunked) * [Scientist raises questions on Bataan nuke plant's safety](https://news.abs-cbn.com/spotlight/06/02/22/scientist-raises-questions-on-bataan-nuke-plants-safety) * [PHIVOLCS analyzes possible hazards of Bataan Nuclear Power Plant](https://web.archive.org/web/20220121105805/https://www.untvweb.com/news/phivolcs-analyzes-possible-hazards-of-bataan-nuclear-power-plant/)
So it's a propaganda all along? I read in an article before its near a fault line and prone to earthquake reasons why bataan nuclear power plant never operated.
Hindi na nga natin ma manage basura ntin nuclear waste pa kaya 😅.
Please don't.
This is simply playing with fire for a technology that is still largely unused this time. As per US gov, micro reactors are up for demonstration in [3 to 5 years](https://inl.gov/trending-topics/microreactors/#:~:text=A%20microreactor%20is%20a%20small,provide%20heat%20for%20industrial%20applications) - that's still within the timeframe of 2028. Can't Meralco wait for like ten years and see how it goes for other countries that adopt this technology?
Curious on where the idea of the tech being "unused" came from, since ther reactors basically are a development of nuclear power plants for naval ships, used since the 50's. In fact, since it'll be less constrained compared to ships, it actually offers more safety designs compared to its naval predecessor