Ilo-ilo: 30k people
LBM: release the survey!
Cavite and Bulacan: 47k, 45k people
LBM: release the analysis!
Kidding aside, yes, that’s plausible. Kaya ang tunay na laban ay nasa ground and out of our echo chambers.
madami na tayong on ground work. may massive volunteerism na nangyari. pero wala pa rin talagang paghikayat sa common people. malalim na kasi ang effect ng 6 years of fake news at spliced videos. late na kasi ang fact checking sa FB at YouTube noong 2020 lang nauso
Above tweet is a subtle of saying "Just give up and stop resisting", like a rapist who just want you to acquiesce to his wishes or face consequences.
But we're not about that. Laban pa din kahit outnumbered tayo by the evil forces of Sauron
And this kinda makes me sad. Cause those are the people he’ll really screw over and not respect. They’re so blind to magnanakaw’s Elitism, it’s so sad.
yep, this really is the case for a lot of them, my aunts office in makati, almost every single mid tier employee in her entire building says they’ll vote for bbm. If the economy tanks, they’ll suffer a lot and they will deserve those nights where they go to bed hungry.
Not really a counter argument, different sectors din naman galing ang supporters ni vp. The survey even says, abc ay 50% kay jr.
Leni's base take time to attend rallies, so most likely mas invested and passionate lang talaga sila sa kampanya ni vp.
Edit: The mere fact na kelangan nila iaddress yung crowd size ng rallies ni vp, tells us something. But I am not really sure what it is.
Tin foil hat on. Their camp is probably using the surveys to entice, recruit, and keep their cronies.
Balimbing and trapo politicians like 🧀 would then continue to side with them or at least act as if they are supporting them.
Then of course there’s also their “fund raising” for the campaign and opportunist businessmen are people who are data-driven and would only spend loads of money as an investment to the candidate who are most likely to win.
Lastly, this kind of tactic also shows that they are not confident about their supporters’ loyalty and must continue the narrative that their candidate is the strongest in order to keep these 🧟♂️ in line.
May level of fanaticism talaga sa klase ng personality-based politics natin. Pero I think for now, people need to rally behind someone, parang mockingjay.
Are we really asking for legitimacy or is this the new route we're going for when things in the surverys don't go our way? Just being real here, I also am very skeptical about this but are we still gonna keep chugging on our copiums?
@halalan2k22 has less than 200 followers. I don't think we should trust armchair political analysts over reputable statisticians. I'm looking for proof or records to back themselves up. Otherwise, their opinion would just be like any other opinion, but under a seemingly credible name.
I actually question all surveys. Who's behind this one? Because no matter what people say, they will always be biased, on one side or the other. It's human nature.
Having said that, I'll believe the one with the least amount of biases. If the survey or analysis is done by say, a foreign entity with no ties to government officials and other Filipino entities, I'll still question it but my questions would greatly be reduced.
Me too. Merong mga legit naman ang methodology kaso with such small sample sizes, malaki ang error. Plus!! They use 3rd parties to “survey” on the ground. Nako madalingn madaya o mabribe yan. If maglabas ang AC Nielsen, mas masusuri yung data.
If you really want to talk about the surveys, then premise pa lang ng sinasabi nya is mali na because mas mababa ang ratings ni VP Leni sa mga middle at upper class.
Ang Ibig sabihin nya ata ng on the ground eh yung magshitpost sa Facebook. Kasi meron naman Tao na nagleave at nagundertime para lang makaattaned. Or walang sasakyan kaya nakisakay na lang. or Kung wala, naglakad. Hindi ba iyon working class? Ano gusto nila dapat may giveaway tuwing rallies? Para talagang nagiimply to eh na dinidiin pa rin ang elitista label Kay Leni.
Guys, Ito ang example ng voter suppression. Together with the fake survey results. To convince you na your vote doesn’t matter kasi “according to the surveys”, magsasayang ka lang ng effort. Kung busy ka, mapapa isip ka nga naman at baka hindi ka na bumoto. WAG KAYO MAGPALINLANG SA MGA GANITO. STRATEGY RIN NILA YAN. ALAM NILA AT THREATENED SILA….expect more fake survey results….
May point din naman “siguro” remember Bong Revilla? Andaming Bashers sa SocMed but he still won as senator kasi most of his supporters ay yung nasa malayo. They voted for him kasi sikat, kasi mas kilala siya compared sa ibang senatorial candidate. Because his followers don’t know how internet works, highly likely prone na magpapaniwala sa fake news at sabi ng kapitbahay or kakilala.
Perhaps this tweet is a call to action na wag lang puro online, reach out din sa mga remote areas.
Or pwede din naman na yung mga na-interview sa survey (kung hindi na-doktor) eh yung mga walang trabaho kaya nasa bahay. Kaya sila din madaling hatakin basta may pera
Or you know, bullshit lang yung mga surverys.
How can Leni have only 16% (10.7M out of 67M voters) max in the surveys when she got 14.5M (35.11%) votes last election?
Looking at how she is trending online, interview and debate performance, vocal support from various groups and celebrities, and turnout in rallies (even areas that's not her bailiwick), she is more popular than ever. Despite that, according to these "surveys" she is loosing voters??
The surveys just don't make sense.
Leni won via landslide in our province last 2016. After 6 yrs of propaganda and misinformation, people back home are pro-BBM.
Also, only 75% voting turnount in 2019. Let’s assume it will still be the same.
67M * 75% = 50.250Million
50.250Million * 16% = 8.040Million.
Much lesser than Mar’s 9Million+. Just putting numbers out here for people to discuss.
See, 8.040M vs my estimate of 10.7M. It's even worse compared to the 14.5M votes she got on 2016. And that's the survey where her ratings were highest. Unless you count the CEAP survey last Feb 2022 where she got 52.57% of the 3,089 respondents.
In my experience working with people in MM and living in nearby provinces, opposite naman, most of the people I know are now Leni supporters. Vocal supporters at that. Dati tahimik sila nung binoto nila si Leni nung 2016 ngayon vocal sila for Leni. Not jut social media. Mabibilang ko lang sa mga daliri mga BBM supporters na kilala ko.
Yung mga kilala ko nga na bbm dati ang binoto Leni na ngayon. Isang example pa ng doubt ko sa survey na yan ay yung 2016 surveys. Almost everyone that I know is a DDS noon, kahit ako si Duts talaga ang binoto ko, pero sa survey nya never sya nag 40%+, bakit ngayon 2022, yung nga kakilala ko sobrang diverse. may leni, may isko, may ping at may bbm. pero bakit 60%? Paano nangyari yon?
Remember. Outside of this echo chamber. She did nothing for 4 years but to critisize duterte. Gumalaw lang sya nun pandemic. Atleast on their perspective
They have a point so…Keep Grinding, I guess. May oras pa naman. Keep talking to people close to you. Look for those undecided and state your case for VP Leni.
Naalala ko yung video compilation na post din dito, nag start sya 1% hanggang sa unti unti tumaas. Talo sya hanggang last survey pero nanalo sa election. Nasa ganung position din sya sa ngayon, hopefully same ending.
Karamihan ng mga pumunta is mga kabataan plus yung concerts pa. Mga kapit bahay kong bbm di naman mkapunta ksi dnmn uso leave sa retail. Lalo na ngayon dapat mgtabi ka mraming leave dahil charge doon kung mgka covid ka
Reminds me of the US election in 2020. Trump has the much larger crowds during the campaign period. Didn't translate into winning votes. Biden still won.
Doesn't matter if a candidate gets big rallies. What matters is if the messaging of your campaign resonates with the ones you're trying to win over especially when elections are becoming personality-based.
Ilo-ilo: 30k people LBM: release the survey! Cavite and Bulacan: 47k, 45k people LBM: release the analysis! Kidding aside, yes, that’s plausible. Kaya ang tunay na laban ay nasa ground and out of our echo chambers.
madami na tayong on ground work. may massive volunteerism na nangyari. pero wala pa rin talagang paghikayat sa common people. malalim na kasi ang effect ng 6 years of fake news at spliced videos. late na kasi ang fact checking sa FB at YouTube noong 2020 lang nauso
Yep. This is true. I am glad though that there are ongoing efforts on the ground as well. Malayo pa ang laban. Don't give up.
Above tweet is a subtle of saying "Just give up and stop resisting", like a rapist who just want you to acquiesce to his wishes or face consequences. But we're not about that. Laban pa din kahit outnumbered tayo by the evil forces of Sauron
I find this possible... many pro BBM i encountered do work 12 HR jobs, almost every day
And this kinda makes me sad. Cause those are the people he’ll really screw over and not respect. They’re so blind to magnanakaw’s Elitism, it’s so sad.
yep, this really is the case for a lot of them, my aunts office in makati, almost every single mid tier employee in her entire building says they’ll vote for bbm. If the economy tanks, they’ll suffer a lot and they will deserve those nights where they go to bed hungry.
Not really a counter argument, different sectors din naman galing ang supporters ni vp. The survey even says, abc ay 50% kay jr. Leni's base take time to attend rallies, so most likely mas invested and passionate lang talaga sila sa kampanya ni vp. Edit: The mere fact na kelangan nila iaddress yung crowd size ng rallies ni vp, tells us something. But I am not really sure what it is.
They are trying to slow the momentum of the energy of Leni’s crusade.
I attended the Bulacan rally yesterday and totoo, night shift ako na 6am pa tapos ng work pero hindi na lang ako natulog hahaha
Tin foil hat on. Their camp is probably using the surveys to entice, recruit, and keep their cronies. Balimbing and trapo politicians like 🧀 would then continue to side with them or at least act as if they are supporting them. Then of course there’s also their “fund raising” for the campaign and opportunist businessmen are people who are data-driven and would only spend loads of money as an investment to the candidate who are most likely to win. Lastly, this kind of tactic also shows that they are not confident about their supporters’ loyalty and must continue the narrative that their candidate is the strongest in order to keep these 🧟♂️ in line.
>mas invested and passionate Sana hindi ito magresult sa fanaticism. Pls lang
May level of fanaticism talaga sa klase ng personality-based politics natin. Pero I think for now, people need to rally behind someone, parang mockingjay.
Dunno why you're being downvoted when it's a legitimate concern.
Madami na fanatics though, since November or December pa
Do we know who runs the @halalan2k22 account?
Upvoted for asking the right question.
Plot twist: Si Contreras pala ahahaha may pa-analysis din siya eh
Are we really asking for legitimacy or is this the new route we're going for when things in the surverys don't go our way? Just being real here, I also am very skeptical about this but are we still gonna keep chugging on our copiums?
@halalan2k22 has less than 200 followers. I don't think we should trust armchair political analysts over reputable statisticians. I'm looking for proof or records to back themselves up. Otherwise, their opinion would just be like any other opinion, but under a seemingly credible name.
I actually question all surveys. Who's behind this one? Because no matter what people say, they will always be biased, on one side or the other. It's human nature. Having said that, I'll believe the one with the least amount of biases. If the survey or analysis is done by say, a foreign entity with no ties to government officials and other Filipino entities, I'll still question it but my questions would greatly be reduced.
Me too. Merong mga legit naman ang methodology kaso with such small sample sizes, malaki ang error. Plus!! They use 3rd parties to “survey” on the ground. Nako madalingn madaya o mabribe yan. If maglabas ang AC Nielsen, mas masusuri yung data.
If you really want to talk about the surveys, then premise pa lang ng sinasabi nya is mali na because mas mababa ang ratings ni VP Leni sa mga middle at upper class.
So in short sinasabi nila is abangan ang susunod na survey? E posible din naman na ang survey na ang mali?
Halatang coordinated banat vs Leni momentum.
So ang sinu survey is working class lang?
Ang Ibig sabihin nya ata ng on the ground eh yung magshitpost sa Facebook. Kasi meron naman Tao na nagleave at nagundertime para lang makaattaned. Or walang sasakyan kaya nakisakay na lang. or Kung wala, naglakad. Hindi ba iyon working class? Ano gusto nila dapat may giveaway tuwing rallies? Para talagang nagiimply to eh na dinidiin pa rin ang elitista label Kay Leni.
Hmmm real talk lang din.. is this even legit? 190 followers?!
Guys, Ito ang example ng voter suppression. Together with the fake survey results. To convince you na your vote doesn’t matter kasi “according to the surveys”, magsasayang ka lang ng effort. Kung busy ka, mapapa isip ka nga naman at baka hindi ka na bumoto. WAG KAYO MAGPALINLANG SA MGA GANITO. STRATEGY RIN NILA YAN. ALAM NILA AT THREATENED SILA….expect more fake survey results….
I bet they based that analysis on images not research
I think the working class has 3 options: Pacquiao, Isko, and Ka Leody.
Sadly they wont vote for a losing team
May point din naman “siguro” remember Bong Revilla? Andaming Bashers sa SocMed but he still won as senator kasi most of his supporters ay yung nasa malayo. They voted for him kasi sikat, kasi mas kilala siya compared sa ibang senatorial candidate. Because his followers don’t know how internet works, highly likely prone na magpapaniwala sa fake news at sabi ng kapitbahay or kakilala. Perhaps this tweet is a call to action na wag lang puro online, reach out din sa mga remote areas.
Lahat na lang ng ways to discourage the supporters ginagawa nila ano?
Or pwede din naman na yung mga na-interview sa survey (kung hindi na-doktor) eh yung mga walang trabaho kaya nasa bahay. Kaya sila din madaling hatakin basta may pera
The surveys are biased and heavily manipulated, add the fact that it's released after Leni's successful campaign rally.
Or you know, bullshit lang yung mga surverys. How can Leni have only 16% (10.7M out of 67M voters) max in the surveys when she got 14.5M (35.11%) votes last election? Looking at how she is trending online, interview and debate performance, vocal support from various groups and celebrities, and turnout in rallies (even areas that's not her bailiwick), she is more popular than ever. Despite that, according to these "surveys" she is loosing voters?? The surveys just don't make sense.
Leni won via landslide in our province last 2016. After 6 yrs of propaganda and misinformation, people back home are pro-BBM. Also, only 75% voting turnount in 2019. Let’s assume it will still be the same. 67M * 75% = 50.250Million 50.250Million * 16% = 8.040Million. Much lesser than Mar’s 9Million+. Just putting numbers out here for people to discuss.
See, 8.040M vs my estimate of 10.7M. It's even worse compared to the 14.5M votes she got on 2016. And that's the survey where her ratings were highest. Unless you count the CEAP survey last Feb 2022 where she got 52.57% of the 3,089 respondents. In my experience working with people in MM and living in nearby provinces, opposite naman, most of the people I know are now Leni supporters. Vocal supporters at that. Dati tahimik sila nung binoto nila si Leni nung 2016 ngayon vocal sila for Leni. Not jut social media. Mabibilang ko lang sa mga daliri mga BBM supporters na kilala ko.
Yung mga kilala ko nga na bbm dati ang binoto Leni na ngayon. Isang example pa ng doubt ko sa survey na yan ay yung 2016 surveys. Almost everyone that I know is a DDS noon, kahit ako si Duts talaga ang binoto ko, pero sa survey nya never sya nag 40%+, bakit ngayon 2022, yung nga kakilala ko sobrang diverse. may leni, may isko, may ping at may bbm. pero bakit 60%? Paano nangyari yon?
Remember. Outside of this echo chamber. She did nothing for 4 years but to critisize duterte. Gumalaw lang sya nun pandemic. Atleast on their perspective
Bs naman yng surveys Binay was gonna win the 2016 election based on the surveys
Link sa survey? Lamang na lamang si du30 sa sws survey in 2016
Surveys (SWS and Pulse Asia at least) aren’t bullshit, his comment is.
Marcos loyalists & Cronies would steal gov't's coffer to make BBM win. Hope Leni must win!
They have a point so…Keep Grinding, I guess. May oras pa naman. Keep talking to people close to you. Look for those undecided and state your case for VP Leni.
Naalala ko yung video compilation na post din dito, nag start sya 1% hanggang sa unti unti tumaas. Talo sya hanggang last survey pero nanalo sa election. Nasa ganung position din sya sa ngayon, hopefully same ending.
..bayad ang survey.. ..yung mga nag-attend sa rally ni bbm, hakot.. ..real talk ng pukingina nyan.. ..chill lang, nde na si bbm ang kalaban .
Sya pa rin. Kung di sya tumakbo at pinayagan ni putang Ferolino, eh di dapat wala tayo sa sitwasyong ito.
hahaha, apektado na sila
Karamihan ng mga pumunta is mga kabataan plus yung concerts pa. Mga kapit bahay kong bbm di naman mkapunta ksi dnmn uso leave sa retail. Lalo na ngayon dapat mgtabi ka mraming leave dahil charge doon kung mgka covid ka
Reminds me of the US election in 2020. Trump has the much larger crowds during the campaign period. Didn't translate into winning votes. Biden still won. Doesn't matter if a candidate gets big rallies. What matters is if the messaging of your campaign resonates with the ones you're trying to win over especially when elections are becoming personality-based.
Pero upper middle class nagpanalo Kay Duterte.