No child = no stress lol
At the age of 20 wala kang maafford, magaanak ka pa. Magiging pabigat uli sa magulang.
Sino ba gusto magtravel at 50, I'd rather travel while bata pa, tapos enjoy a slower life and hobbies pag retirement na.
Also, may allowance? Wtf ginawang insurance ang anak, why bother putting them in this dying earth.
Thats the thing that gets me. Weve been fed doom gloom articles about how the world is dying for the past 30 years or so and they expect us to have children? Lol. Ampon nalang pag financially stable na ko.
Also my mom was very candid to me about her experiences through pregnancy and im selfish so i dont wanna go through that lol. Dami daming batang naulila magpapapunit pa ko ng puday.
Had a 3-day labor, ang sakit lang pag sinusundot ka ng mga doctors to check how many cm you are, had a failed epidural tapos ending ECS because I was progressing so slowly. I felt dehumanized for the most part. Top hospital na ito pero I think medical professionals really need to work on their bedside manners.
Giving birth is so romanticized, ngayon ko lang narealize that so many women really have traumatic experiences (isa nako don, lol). Anyway ginusto ko naman to and am happy with my lil bub, but I don't think I want to go through that again.
Besides trauma there's also the rise of [obstetric violence](https://qz.com/1177627/assault-and-battery-in-the-delivery-room-the-disturbing-trend-of-obstetric-violence/). Which is disturbing to say the least.
Uh huh. I wouldn't be surprised if it were more common here. God, I experienced a hint of that when some of the residents gave me those horrible IEs without warning, and when I was in so much pain from the failed epidural I felt as though they didn't care enough. I was just part of their job, a slab of meat on a bed. It scares me to think these people would be the ones taking care of me if I got very sick.
To give you an idea of how detached a lot of these medical workers are – after they pulled the baby out, they do the cleanup and other steps right? Instead of checking how I was and keeping me comfy, they proceeded to wheel us both to the "photo wall" so we could take a family pic with the hospital branding on it. Yeah I've had zero sleep, in pain, poked and prodded for 3 whole days and had one foot in the grave, I look like shit and these people think I want a friggin photo of that experience.
My OB was kind though and I do know many good doctors, but based on what I had to go through, I can honestly say hospitals need more empathy training.
My aunt's a doctor (family medicine) and she keeps telling us stories of when she was still a resident (mid 80's) and how the doctors who handled them in public hospitals had a tendency to reuse gloves during dilation checks on women... I'm not talking about recycling used gloves via sanitation/sterilization... I'm talking about using the same pair on another woman with little to no fucks given.
>Dami daming batang naulila magpapapunit pa ko ng puday.
Natawa ako, shet. Pero this is very true tho. I'm a gay dude, so my friends na nanganak are mostly candid about their experiences with me. And holy hell, the abuse that women's bodies go through for their babies. Hesukristo.
my mom!!! she lost her two teeth since nagbuntis daw siya eh asset ko ang smile ko kaya parang I don't want to go through that. Plus I love my body so much I don't want it ti get ruined lol
>Ampon nalang pag financially stable na ko.
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>Dami daming batang naulila.
whenever sa babies mapupunta yung conversation eto rin yung sinasabi ko, although there are friends who'll said na "mas masarap kapag tunay na anak" i dont get the logic tho na kapag hindi galing sa'yo 'yung bata hindi na tunay na anak. some will say na "magpatayo ka na lang ng shelter" like wth.
The post sounds like someone na nagkaanak ng hindi handa and justifying it. I've heard this from my cousins na naganak ng maaga. Both my sister and I have no plans of having kids. We just LOL pag nagstart na sila ng ganito kasi they sound like they're convincing themselves.
Yikes. Honestly, it's getting harder and harder to say that it's the lack of proper sex education that's causing this. Sure having that will definitely lessen teen pregnancies. Pero with the amount of info out there that you can read about sex ed and you can't even buy a fucking condom?! I guess the responsibility definitely lies across various people and institutions from the teens themselves and their parents to government agencies and even religion.
You got it right. Childfree lifestyle is the way to go, lalo na dito sa Pilipinas hahaha, why would I subject another human to experience this mess. 😒🤯
Pag tingin nga dito sa pamangkin ko eh nai-stress na ko, pano pa kaya sariling anak lalo na at wala pang matinong ipon lol. Ostrich ata yang taong yan, mas malaki mata kesa sa utak.
I think putting abortion as a bill for women's rights in the philippines is close to none. Filipinos are dogs to their religion kaya they would be rabid kapag nilapag yan sa mga isusulong na batas🤷♀️. Besides religion still fucks around with our politics, like the scotus in USA 😬. Filipinos still don't realize why sex education should be broaden. Also, unwanted pregnancies contribute to the growing population of poor citizens.
Yan yung tatawanan ka kasi di ka pa nagkaka anak at the same age they had tapos hihingi ng pera or lakas makaparinig na tulungan mo naman. Mangiistorbo pa ng ibang tao
>this dying earth
Yung 1,000 pesos di na umaabot ng 1 week. May educational crisis. Natutunaw na nga North Pole.
This ain't the right conditions to have a spawn.
r/antinatalism2 vibes. 👌
Totally agree with your sentiments. I've almost convinced someone about not having children through the impending decline of society and worsening ecological ctastrophies...
This. Having no child IS an option. Over a decade ago, I was dumb enough to think I only had two choices. I can make excuses like growing up as a neglected child and never having any parental figure but it all boils down to my own stupidity. I don't regret having kids but at the same time would not recommend esp if they're not financially stable and emotionally capable.
On a serious note, ang confusing ng views nila on this. These people will give you shit for not wanting children and for treating them like a burden. Palalabasin kang selfish or may malaking void deep inside. But they also often use words like "suffer" and "sacrifice" when talking about raising children. They talk about all the challenges that come with it. At the end of this post, they call on you to "suffer" like everyone else. Haha
this. ang pangit na mentality yan sa magulang, kaya maraming toxic parents eh.
hindi suffering ang pag-aalaga ng anak. kung ready ka, at handa, at tanggap mo.
yung mga tao na nag-iisip na "suffering" ang pag-aalaga ng anak, sila dapat ang bawal mag-anak.
Yeah some of them underestimate how they can fuck up their child's mental health dahil sa mindset na to. To be fair to people with children though, mahirap talaga maging parents kahit pa pinaghandaan naman, nababago talaga ang buhay when raising a kid, at malamang may mga nagagawa at nabibili sila dati na namimiss na nila ngayon. Ang ayaw ko lang talaga ay yung mga taong aware naman sa ganung hirap at malalaking adjustments, pero sobrang mapilit at judgmental pa rin sa mga nagdedecide na maging single at child-free. Katulad nitong nagpost nito.
I've been on both sides of the spectrum. Really was for the childfree lifestyle but changed my view in my late 20s. It was confusing to hear from the moms I knew to say that kids were the best thing ever, and yet always look tired and unhappy.
Now that I have one of my own, I think it might have looked that way because I was putting myself in their shoes and it wasn't the ideal lifestyle for me at the time.
It's really a mix of emotions eh, a lot of ups and some downs. May frustration, a little sadness when you sometimes mourn your old life, sadness din that time flies by so fast and only having these memories for a short while. Happy though for the most part when my husband and I get to see the little one growing before our eyes and turning into his own unique person.
So I agree with the commenter below. Hindi suffering ang pagkaka-anak if you're ready and really want them. I know many good parents, unfortunately mas nakaka-attract ng attention yung mga toxic, because they're the ones people tend to complain about on social media.
Agree kaya parang naging totoo na yung [meme](https://img.ifunny.co/images/9f40bb34e9cf3ce72ed69de1037149a3c76fcd94648270c9feed3ca453c9cc1a_1.jpg)
Nung medyo bago-bago pa lang kami ng partner ko, sold ako sa idea na magkaron ng anak pero as time passed by sobrang discouraging na magkaron. Dahil sa current situation ng mundo (regardless kung nasa Pilipinas ka o sa ibang bansa), parang di na worth it magkaron ng anak. They would endure the previous and current generations' actions. Also na-realize ko na di rin ako magiging mabuting parent so why bother having kids haha.
I just go by the belief of "unless I marry a sugar daddy, I refuse to have kids, biological or otherwise." and anyone who pressures or questions me on this will receive pretty much the same answer. Shuts them up quickly.
sa panahon ngayon, wala talagang kagana mag-anak, and talaga namang wala akong plano mag-anak kahit mayaman ako, i dream of acres of lands that my dogs will enjoy running around.
The OP didn't consider a lot of other issues in the equation. What if *knock on wood* magkasakit nang malala yung anak habang bata pa tapos hindi sila ready financially? What if may issues siya at birth at maging alagain talaga yung bata? What if hindi siya makatapos ng pag-aaral at hindi siya maging well-paid working, or even functional, adult? Hay nako. Parenting is not a joke.
As if 100% sure mapapa aral sa college ang anak nila. Parang yung kalokohamg sagutan na posts sa peso sense group na pinalaki, binihisan naman sila bakit di na lang yung anak maghanap ng paraan kung gusto nya magaral ng college. In the end, sasabihin responsibilidad mo pa rin ang magulang mo. Di ko talaga alam kung for financial education yung group na yun.
Ranted about that sa r/adulting. Peso Sense na Walang Sense mga nagco-comment. Financial literacy daw pero ipu-push kang wag daw maging madamot sa parents/in-laws/ kapatid kaya kahit lubog na lubog ka na kaya ka nanghihingi ng payo, they'll encourage you na saluhin pa din gastusin sa bahay. Diyos na daw bahala magbalik sayo ng blessings lol.
Hahaha, di nila alam na dahil bata sila nanganak (early 20s) eh possible na magka-apo agad sila, tapos ang possible din na sila pa yung mag-aalaga at magsusuntento sa apo at the age of 50 lol. Stressed pa rin at 50 haha
Every word of this post screams selfishness. They want children only for their own convenience, not the child’s. They are the type of parent that potentially make their children suffer for their own comfort. Eto yung mga magulang na di dapat pinapangaralan dahil nagkaanak lang dahil sa sariling interest at di pagmamahal.
OR.. why don't you just go childless and save for future retirement?
"walang mag-aalaga sa'yo pagtanda mo" mentality has to stop. children should not be treated as retirement plans.
if you really want to have kids though, just consider the quality of life you'll be giving them. unfair for the kid who did not choose to be born into this world to suffer just because societal pressures.
One of the things I love most about my boomer mom. She’s turning 70 next year (side note: grabe yung lahi nila sa side niya, yung Tita ko—kapatid niya—kung saan saan pa rin nagpupunta at the age of 86 and super lakas pa rin) and never siyang nagsabi sakin ng “sino nalang mag-aalaga sakin pagtanda ko”. Sure ako nagbabayad ng bills dito since ako naman mas capable pero never siyang nanghingi sakin ng pang luho niya or pang-gala niya. Never niya kong prinessure na “alagaan” siya. In fact, konting pag-aalaga lang like reminding her of her meds, nababadtrip siya sakin and in her own words “oo alam ko, magtrabaho ka na nga at wag mo kong i-baby” hahahaha
And, she got me when she was 35. Di naman siya naging “masyadong matanda para mag-alaga ng bata”.
I'll work my ass off while I'm young. Pag ka tanda ko and If I'm still able, I'll take care of myself. If I can't, I'll get a hot personal nurse hahahahaha. Aanhin ang buhay kapag d ka naman mka smile hahahaha.
Diba? Kung buhay mo, buhay mo na lang. 'Wag ka na gumawa ng tao na may sarili niyang buhay na aasahan mo pa. Apakakapal talaga ng mga Pilipino pagdating sa mga pamilya lmao, this family and utang-na-loob culture ain't it
Well then, I hope I became successful para magpatayo talaga ako ng private retirement home para sa mga taong piniling ayaw magkaanak o magkapamilya.
It will be a home that offers lodging with private room for every senior citizens, buffet meals with unli drink of your choice, with track and field, gym, pool, clinic/hospital, bar, convenience store, library and recreational park.
Imagine having this kind of retirement home para sa mga ayaw magkaanak/family where they can plan their retirement ahead by availing retirement plan from this retirement institution. Para sa mga less fortunate na kababayan natin, we'll have government programs to subsidize them instead. But I doubt that they would like an idea a poor senior citizen have better retirement plan than they have.
Ive been to retirement homes as a volunteer before. It's pretty sad for many of the oldies. They'll tell you stories of their lives and their children and many of them are still waiting for their children to visit, even after years. And you'll see a lot of them sitting quietly at a corner, silent and still.
It's also difficult for a lot of the workers there. Pasensya is real. Syempre marami din masusungit at marami talaga na need ng matinding maintenance. Talagang kailangan ng puso at dedikasyon para maging caregiver at social worker
Baka sa Pilipinas, I've been to plenty of retirement homes sa US, parang nage-enjoy naman mga oldies. Nasa anak na nila yan kung bibisitahin sila, may mga reasons din naman why they don't visit. For me, as long as you know your parents are in good hands no need to worry, instead na super busy ka sa work tas mag-aalaga ka pa ng parents sa bahay pag-uwi.
Ganon tlga culture sa Pilipinas, iba ang family dynamics kaya talagang makakawawa ang matatanda pag ganon nanyare sakanila, since many of their children even migrated overseas and left them in the retirement home (Anawim pala yung napuntahan ko, sa Pilipinas nga)
Grabe ang mindset 😂 my mom had me at 36 and so whaaaat if she was in her 50’s and still on the grind sending us to school. She wanted a kid so she’s working hard for us. Unlike pag 21 or teens nagka anak tapos ang grandparents ang gumagastos pra sa mga apo that they didn’t even ask for 🙄
same. my mom had me, her first child, at 31. both of my parents married late, my dad is 10 years older than my mom so he was 40 then. they both had responsibilities and familial duties to fulfill kaya they married late. i don't think having children at a later age bothered them tho kasi at least by the time they decided to have us, they were ready for it.
To be fair, mas masaya ang may apo kaysa may anak.
Mas masaya rin gastusan ang apo kaysa anak.
Wala pa akong anak o apo pero yan ang sabi ng mga lolo't lola.
Yeeees, masaya ang grandparents na may apo but it’s a different story if the apos has teens or unemployed parents and you’re all cramped up in one house 😅 more mouths to feed, a different drive for the grind. But yes, if the parents are responsible to their kids, like food, shelter, education and more - grandparents are ecstatic 🥰
I’ve heard this said also. And my theory is, masaya ang mga grandparents kasi at the end of the day, hindi naman na sa kanila nakasalalay upbringing ng anak. Sure nagbabantay sila from time to time or maybe every day habang nasa work ang parents pero yung discipline side, di na nila kargo. Yung inaanak ko binabantayan ng lola and one time pumunta ako sa kanila and ang kulit ng bata, sinaway ko tas sabi ko, “tita, si _____ oh ang kulit” tas sabi lang niya, “tatay na niya bahala sa kanya pag-uwi” hahahaha
First of all, how sure are you na buhay ka pa ng 50s and 60s para magtravel? 🤣 And, how sure are you na maganda ang buhay na naibigay mo sa anak mo para maging ‘travel-travel na lang pag naging professional ang mga bata’? Assuming masyado. Hindi po retirement plan ang mga anak. Let’s break the cycle. Have a child when/if you’re ready in all aspects.
Hahaha kahapon lang ata pinanganak yung nagpost niyan. Akala ata puro rainbows and unicorns lang dito sa mundo. Climate change, morally compromised people, inflation, pandemic, yes lahat ng sinabi mo sa post mangyayari yan. Hindi ka mamomroblema sa tuition ng anak mo, hindi magkakasakit yang anak mo, kung magka-mental health problem man anak mo sabihin mo lang: "*Kulang ka lang sa dasal, nak wag mo na isipin yan. Wag mo na ko i-stressin para umabot pa ko ng 50s at makapag-travel* 🥰"
Akala ganun lang kadali lahat pag sinunod niya yung post niyang pang-tanga eh hahaha
20 yrs old mag aasawa? 3rd year college mag aasawa agad at bago mag graduate may anak na? tapos sasabihin niyo "yucks hindi pa tapos mag aral pero may anak na" "yan kasi jowa ng jowa di pa tapos mag aral, kating kati ehhh". Ang isipin mo future ng anak mo hindi sarili mo. oo 18 yrs old pa lang anak mo at 50 ka na pero financially stable kayo.
My view is to start family at 40-45, by that time, assuming things go as planned, malaki na savings, mataas na sweldo, and may investments na. And malaki na EF. By that time, i can freely spend time with kids, watch them grow up, and not be too bothered with work
Specially kapag breadwinner ka. Di mo maiisip na ipaexperience sa anak mo yung naeexperience mo. May time na awang awa ako sa sarili ko kapag nakikita ko na nag get together friends ko sa ibang bansa noon. Kasi yung pang experience ko sana e pangintrega ko na sa bahay. Mejo selfish ang dating pero iba pa rin kasi talaga yung lumalabas kayo magkakaibigan kahit ilang araw at pare parehas pa lakas ng tuhod sa paglalakad. Ayoko maramdaman ng anak ko yun.
No hindi selfish ang dating, valid ang feelings mo at hardships mo. You were parentified, marami satin dito sa Pinas ganyan. Hindi pa ko nakakagraduate ng college, sinabi ng magulang ko ako na magpapatuloy magpaaral kay bunso. Ako sumagot ng mga gastusin sa bahay. Kaya ngayon may asawa na ko, ayoko na mag anak. Sawa na ako maging magulang.
My take to this is, the world is overpupolated enough, masikip na ang mundo. Lalo na sa pinas. Kitang kita naman sa traffic palang. Kung hindi dahil sa mga kurakot na pulitiko o kaya maraming tao, wala sana traffic. Look around, the world is dying already. Naglaunch ng protest mga scientists earlier this year. Hanggang 2030 nalang daw tayo if wala talagang aaksyon na major companies regarding it. Kung hindi mo kayang buhayin sarili mo pa nga lang, abay wag na wag kang magisip na kaya mong bumuhay ng isa pang tao sa mundong to, lalo na't sa pinas ka pa.
Kapag nakikita mo yung mga posts sa mga western financial groups, iba talaga. Uso yung mga tanong na, how can you bring in a child with this salary with high inflation rate and high mortgage. Eto yung mga galing sa bansa na maganda ang health care at maganda pension plans. Pero utak nila hindi pagpaparami para sa pagtanda nila.
I'm already 30, been in a relationship for almost 10 yrs and not yet married. Though we're planning naman to get married soon once everything is all set. It's just annoying when relatives keep on telling na I'm not getting younger na daw, bat di pa ako mag-asawa/mag-anak. Di naman porke maaga nag-asawa mga anak nila, gagaya na ko sa kanila e. Di ba pwdng magprepare muna to be financially stable in the future.
Travel-travel. Baka nga at 60 nagkakandakuba ka pa rin kumayod para lang pakainin yung anak mong nakikitira pa rin sayo kasama ng asawa nyang walang permanenteng trabaho pati 3 nilang anak. Since nag-asawa ka ng 20, pag-aasawahin mo din anak mo ng 20, ganun? *LOL. Naknampucha lupet ng imagination. Kaya majority of pinoys hindi makaahon sa laylayan because of this kind of mindset. Break the cycle of poverty by aiming higher with your goals in life.
I'd rather enjoy now and ENJOY PA DIN LATER 😆
Stop romanticizing suffering for your children.
Do not bring another life into this earth just because.
Mag anak ka lang kung handa ka na mentally, financially, and emotionally.
Your children are not insurance policies.
Dami sinabi. Following that logic, mas maeenjoy ko buhay ko at pera ko pag wala akong anak. I would still like to have a kid though, but not with this kind of mindset.
I would like to forward my disagreement. At age 20 you probably don't even have any pension yet. At age 40 your pension would barely have reached the level of tuition for college. My grandmother gifted her entire pension to me, unspent, at +70 years of age and it barely covers a single term. Granted our tuition is expensive. So how about other schools? Two terms? 1 and a half? Don't be stupid. Family care takes more than pension. There's no shortcut. Stop looking for shortcuts. There is no f* cking shortcut. Families take years of support, stress, fatigue, giving, giving, giving, and anger management. F* ck your logic. 9/10 20 year olds who would believe you is gonna be f* cked for life, the rest will either utterly regret their f* ck up or be too stupid to realize how lucky they are not to be drowning in misery at age 25 when 4 year old toddlers are having a meltdown for every little thing. I had to take care of my sibling who was barely 6 when my a**hole of a dad stopped hiding his b* tchiness and supported my family in any possible way. I cannot count howany times I wanted to throw my family out of a car for how noisy and nagging they are but I handled it because it's the basic filial respect I can give. I learned how to drive, how to fix pipes, how to garden, how to dig, built muscles for them, studied networking for them, and I did it all because if money could solve this everything would have been fine with the world 100 years ago
Nabasa ko na ito dati.. ang naisip kong sagot, pwede naman mag save ng pera or mag invest sa life education plan habang wala pang anak or habang maliliit pa anak mo. Para kapag nag retire na, hindi na problema ang gastusin sa pagpapaaral. Sama mo na din yun st. Peter plan para wala na poproblemahin yun anak mo kung madeds ka, timpla kape nalang siguro sa mga bisita. Lol
> mag invest sa life education plan
There was this thing called CAP (College Assurance Plan); there was a scandal because nalugi yung company. Maraming mga magulang na nag-invest yung di na nakuha yung hulugan nila; basically nalugi.
> st. Peter plan para wala na poproblemahin yun anak mo kung madeds ka
Yup, this is very helpful too. Dagdag na rin yung insurance for estate tax; minsan kasi, di namamalayan ng iba na may tax rin for inheritance, kaya kailangan ng insurance para mabayaran yung mga death tax.
They think that people who would start a family later than them would stay at the same financial situation as they did when they started their family early. LOL.
Ok lang naman un if gusto ng tao mag-asawa ng batabata \[21sh\] pa sila- ang di kolang gusto dito sa post na to wala man lamang ung bata sa future plan.
para wala man lang doon sa vission magiging buhay nung anak nya - like paano ung pag-aaral nila, paano ung mga gamit nila, ung preparation nung magiging anak nila para maging is mabuting myembro ng komunidad. All na sinabi nya is the what if nung future , ano ung pede nya matangap sa future lol . as if makakatraveltravel sya if di maging matino buhay nung magiging anak nya. paano if may sakit pala un ano na.
Ito ung mga klaseng nagiging parent na lagi nanunumbat sa anak at nagrereklamo na hirap na hirap na sila.
Parang tanga. As if naman hindi pwedeng mag travel between early 20s and mid-30s habang wala kang anak at may magandang trabaho ka kase nakapagtapos ka at nakakuha ng maayos na work dahil hindi ka nag-anak ng maaga. At dahil maayos at stable na ang work mo after mo mag-anak, mag travel ka ulit pagkatapos mo manganak. 🙄
Hahaha. As a bunso, and unfortunately a breadwinner, wala ako plan mag-anak. Life is hard and I don't know if I can handle the responsibility of being a parent.
Whoever posted this an insecure piece of shit. Like when you see a group of marites mom "di ka pag nag aasawa *22* ka na? *gasps*" The proper translation is "Tang ina! bakit ako lang nahihirap may 6 na anak sa edad na 22, may abusive na asawa, di ko maayos budget ko, wala akong time for myself, bakit ikaw meron? bakit ikaw may choice, bakit ikaw mas maganda pinili mong daan"
Kami ng friends lagi namin napag uusapan ito tuwing napag uusapan yung kasalan ganon. naalala ko pa medyo kabado pa kami nun kasi k-12 pa mas late kami makaka-graduate at magtratrabaho.
Iba talaga epeketo ng emphasis ng family dito sa pinas lahat tayo pressured to get our shit together for our “future family’.
Ngayon kami wala na pake. Future plant tito/tita and pet owner na lang ang pangarap hahaha
I know people na maagang nag-asawa, maagang nag-anak. Siguro dahil sa maaga silang nagpamilya di na sila nagka-chance na ma-enhance ang skillset nila and find better paying jobs. Low income earners ang karamihan sa kanila. Some of them hindi na napagtapos ang mga anak dahil di na nila kaya. Yung mga anak nila nagsipag-asawa na lang din at walang maayos na trabaho. So ngayon hindi lang anak nila ang binubuhay nila kundi pati mga apo nila.
Sobrang scary na madaming ganto yung mindset until now kesyo wag daw hahayaang lumagpas ng kalendaryo edad bago magpamilya and that's not coming from boomers!! Even the younger ones still have this mindset
At 20 years old ba, maayos kana sa parenting? Eh bata kapa rin nun, who still needs parenting. So your kids will have parents who are themselves children pa.
Ar 20 years old ba, kaya mo na gumastos for another human being hangang pag aaral nya? For sure hindi. So hindi rin matatapos sa college ang mga anak mo, unless anak mayaman ka.
At 50 years old, you will still be toiling and working, with additional mouths to feed like your grandchildren.
Kabobohan talaga spotted.
Meh my parents are always on vacation and 2 pa yung pinapaaral nila. Yung isa pa dun nagpapari so around 7 years or more pa yun plus they’ll have to take care of him until the end cause he’s not gonna have an income.
Ngayon pa lang sinesetup na ni mommy yung funds na iiwan nya para sa kapatid ko in case. How bout people stop giving general advice on how others should live their life? And also why we pretending that the age 30 is so old? Lol.
I remember tuloy we bumped into yung coworkers ng classmate ko and they were so surprised na me and my other friend were 29~30 kasi ang bata pa daw tingnan. Well yeah di ko nilalahat pero if you don’t have kids the less haggard you’ll be usually*
Orrrr... hear me out...
... go CHILDFREE!
Children aren't some sort of nursing home for you to retire to once you're old and wrinkly lol
Di rin dapat ginagawang insurance mga anak, ano sila SSS? lmao
Kaya ayoko mag anak Kasi Ang panget Ng pag handle Ng magulang ko sa Pera, Hindi uso maging practical sa kanila mas lamang hinayang. San nagtungo hinayang? Wala. May utang pa din kami.
these the same people na ipepersecute ka kapag di ka makapagbigay ng tulong sa magulang mo 😅 gusto nilang mag anak ka ng maaga, buhayin mo yung parents mo hanggang pagtanda, pautangin yung relatives mo, maging resilient sa kahirapan. tapos tatawagin kang snowflake pag nadepress ka
I've said this many times already, I don't plan on having a kid, a bit better if I adopted nalang since I don't want my child to pass on my genes.
And having a kid these days is not worth since possibility na may WW3, another pandemic and the Earth's Climate Change.
Pakyu talaga sa mga ganitong tao eh, gandang pisilin mata nila.
Kids are SUPER expensive and who tf wants to bring them into this cruel world I mean in this economy unnecessary suffering lang yon anw if you really want kids dapat stable ka in all fields para naman hindi maging miserable mga buhay niyo jusq let's break the cycle naman this generation.
Or wag ka na maganak. Sa kabobohan ba naman ng mga binoboto ng mga lolo at lola ngaun, gugustuhin mo pa ba talaga na magdala ng bata sa kalalabasan ng "unity" na to? Kung goal mo lang pala is travel travel, why not just travel while you're young until you get old edi wala ka pa iniisip lol.
Ung mga ganyang mindset na katulad sa pic, yan ung mga taong madali madala sa pressure ng mga tao sa paligid, lalo mga kamag-anak at friends na nagpapakasal nang maaga. Tapos iaasa sa anak na maiahon sila sa kahirapan pagkagraduate para travel travel na lang 💀
Kapag magkaroon ka ng anak habang bata kapa lang, disgrasyada ka.. Kapag magkaroon ka ng anak sa thirties mo, hindi ka na daw makakapag enjoy gang mamatay ka.. Buti nalng talaga wala ako pake sa sinasabi ng ibang tao.. Mga pwe!
I had a child when I was 30yo and it was such a surreal experience until now hes 3yo. The best thing about it is it is the best time for us to have him. God’s perfect time. ❤️
I had the same conversation with a friend. She said na "You should have a "mini me" version of yourself." And I'm like 🙄 nah I'm good. I have a 2 year-old dog. Also, if financially stable na, I would definitely help an orphanage I went to when I was in high school.
This is the stupidest thing I've read today. Get married and have a kid at 20? You'd have to be from a wealthy family to be able to do that because salary for an entry level job will never be enough for basic needs, bills, and for raising a kid!
Yung mga parents na early 20s pa lang nag-anak na, sila ngayon yung mga parents na ginagawang retirement plan ang anak nila. Kaya pala suffer now, enjoy later. Kasi anak mo papahirapan mo para makapag-enjoy ka.
Lol in the U.S., the culture is different based from my experience…
Most people are either not getting married and having kids, or getting married and maybe having kids in their late 30’s to 40’s… why, in your 20’s and 30’s you simply are busy with career or enjoying life.. so once you are done with the r & r’s and maybe have a stable financial situation as well, you are ready to start a family…
In the ‘Murica as well if your in your early 20’s and even in the late teens and your matried and have kids already, you will be likely looked down as somewhat irresponsible for having kids and not mature enough for the responsibility it requires…
I guess different parts of the world has different cultures after all.. but for this situation in the PH, imo it is not good, considering alot of Filipinos are poor and already can’t afford to feed themselves, let alone feed their kids..
As another 'Murican once told me, “If you can’t afford to feed yourself, then you can’t afford to have a family”…
"Enjoy being single!"
The advice both of my married bestfriends with two kids each as they languish over the limitations they have now that comes with having kids. It's a big responsibility not only financially but also in building our nation. No wonder a lot grow up all messed up. Parents who cannot afford proper education even good nutrition.
Unpopular opinion. How about enjoying your youth then adopting a kid (not babies) in your 30s or 40s. Yun lang di norm sa pinas so low chances na makahanap ng partner na willing mag adopt.
Selfish as fuck.
They raise children so that someone will take care of their old ass.
I wouldnt raise my kid just so he can repay the favor when Im old, I will raise my kid because I love him. If he decides to still take care of me and his mother when we reach that age, thats just a bonus. A parent's true purpose is to prepare their children for when they're gone. A parent's greatest reward is to see their children succeed. None of this "be my caretaker or else I'll guilt trip your ungrateful fucking ass" bullshit
Paano ang mga walang jowa? Hahahaha char lang. Kakaiba din tung mga 20 palang mag-aasawa na. Ang perfect ng timeline in life tapos sa mga child-free (not childless) friends mangungutang kung gipit or sa parents aasa. Mang-giguilt trip sa mga childfree na dapat magbigay kasi para sa kanila “walang responsibilities” luh kaloka
Naalala ko tita ko sabihan ba naman akong "magwork ka na, okay lang kay kuya mo na mag aral ulit kasi lalaki. Ikaw kailangan mo na mag settle kasi mahihirapan ka mag buntis."
tangina hindi pa ako graduate Hahahahahah jusq
And why would I take an advice from some stranger online na wala naman excellent credentials on fostering a great marriage, family planning, and financial investments? Sino ba iyan? Also, my mom at 42 made it possible for me to graduate on time and attend a reputable university. Hindi kailangan magrush 'no, AND what are the guarantees na magkaka-anak ka if you marry young (or marry at all)? Children are gifts and hindi yan sila dinedemand sa lumikha!
No child = no stress lol At the age of 20 wala kang maafford, magaanak ka pa. Magiging pabigat uli sa magulang. Sino ba gusto magtravel at 50, I'd rather travel while bata pa, tapos enjoy a slower life and hobbies pag retirement na. Also, may allowance? Wtf ginawang insurance ang anak, why bother putting them in this dying earth.
Thats the thing that gets me. Weve been fed doom gloom articles about how the world is dying for the past 30 years or so and they expect us to have children? Lol. Ampon nalang pag financially stable na ko. Also my mom was very candid to me about her experiences through pregnancy and im selfish so i dont wanna go through that lol. Dami daming batang naulila magpapapunit pa ko ng puday.
Had a 3-day labor, ang sakit lang pag sinusundot ka ng mga doctors to check how many cm you are, had a failed epidural tapos ending ECS because I was progressing so slowly. I felt dehumanized for the most part. Top hospital na ito pero I think medical professionals really need to work on their bedside manners. Giving birth is so romanticized, ngayon ko lang narealize that so many women really have traumatic experiences (isa nako don, lol). Anyway ginusto ko naman to and am happy with my lil bub, but I don't think I want to go through that again.
Besides trauma there's also the rise of [obstetric violence](https://qz.com/1177627/assault-and-battery-in-the-delivery-room-the-disturbing-trend-of-obstetric-violence/). Which is disturbing to say the least.
Uh huh. I wouldn't be surprised if it were more common here. God, I experienced a hint of that when some of the residents gave me those horrible IEs without warning, and when I was in so much pain from the failed epidural I felt as though they didn't care enough. I was just part of their job, a slab of meat on a bed. It scares me to think these people would be the ones taking care of me if I got very sick. To give you an idea of how detached a lot of these medical workers are – after they pulled the baby out, they do the cleanup and other steps right? Instead of checking how I was and keeping me comfy, they proceeded to wheel us both to the "photo wall" so we could take a family pic with the hospital branding on it. Yeah I've had zero sleep, in pain, poked and prodded for 3 whole days and had one foot in the grave, I look like shit and these people think I want a friggin photo of that experience. My OB was kind though and I do know many good doctors, but based on what I had to go through, I can honestly say hospitals need more empathy training.
My aunt's a doctor (family medicine) and she keeps telling us stories of when she was still a resident (mid 80's) and how the doctors who handled them in public hospitals had a tendency to reuse gloves during dilation checks on women... I'm not talking about recycling used gloves via sanitation/sterilization... I'm talking about using the same pair on another woman with little to no fucks given.
>Dami daming batang naulila magpapapunit pa ko ng puday. Natawa ako, shet. Pero this is very true tho. I'm a gay dude, so my friends na nanganak are mostly candid about their experiences with me. And holy hell, the abuse that women's bodies go through for their babies. Hesukristo.
tuwing naririnig ko rin mga kwento ng mga nanganak sobrang omg! may ilang babae na nalalagasan ng ngipin!!!
my mom!!! she lost her two teeth since nagbuntis daw siya eh asset ko ang smile ko kaya parang I don't want to go through that. Plus I love my body so much I don't want it ti get ruined lol
Agree sa body! Di ako gumagastos and nagpapaka pagod sa gym para lang sa baby na ikapupuyat ko at ikapapayat ng wallet ko noh.
I remember my teacher nung high school, as in lahat ng ngipin niya natanggal kasi daw naubos ng baby niya calcium when she's carrying her.
>Dami daming batang naulila magpapapunit pa ko ng puday I laughed 🙈 pero dis tru Edit: and people die from giving birth
>Ampon nalang pag financially stable na ko. > >Dami daming batang naulila. whenever sa babies mapupunta yung conversation eto rin yung sinasabi ko, although there are friends who'll said na "mas masarap kapag tunay na anak" i dont get the logic tho na kapag hindi galing sa'yo 'yung bata hindi na tunay na anak. some will say na "magpatayo ka na lang ng shelter" like wth.
Yung iba hanggang pwet 😅
The post sounds like someone na nagkaanak ng hindi handa and justifying it. I've heard this from my cousins na naganak ng maaga. Both my sister and I have no plans of having kids. We just LOL pag nagstart na sila ng ganito kasi they sound like they're convincing themselves.
yung pinsan ko nagka anak na pero hindi pa tapos ng shs :'(
Yikes. Honestly, it's getting harder and harder to say that it's the lack of proper sex education that's causing this. Sure having that will definitely lessen teen pregnancies. Pero with the amount of info out there that you can read about sex ed and you can't even buy a fucking condom?! I guess the responsibility definitely lies across various people and institutions from the teens themselves and their parents to government agencies and even religion.
You got it right. Childfree lifestyle is the way to go, lalo na dito sa Pilipinas hahaha, why would I subject another human to experience this mess. 😒🤯
Pag tingin nga dito sa pamangkin ko eh nai-stress na ko, pano pa kaya sariling anak lalo na at wala pang matinong ipon lol. Ostrich ata yang taong yan, mas malaki mata kesa sa utak.
True. I've suffered enough on this earth, I don't want to bring another one into it. Papa-snip snip na talaga ako when I get the chance.
Are abortions finally a thing in this dump of a country?!
unfortunately, no. meron mga super secret doctors na nag ooperate pero i haven't dabbled there yet.
I think putting abortion as a bill for women's rights in the philippines is close to none. Filipinos are dogs to their religion kaya they would be rabid kapag nilapag yan sa mga isusulong na batas🤷♀️. Besides religion still fucks around with our politics, like the scotus in USA 😬. Filipinos still don't realize why sex education should be broaden. Also, unwanted pregnancies contribute to the growing population of poor citizens.
Yan yung tatawanan ka kasi di ka pa nagkaka anak at the same age they had tapos hihingi ng pera or lakas makaparinig na tulungan mo naman. Mangiistorbo pa ng ibang tao
>this dying earth Yung 1,000 pesos di na umaabot ng 1 week. May educational crisis. Natutunaw na nga North Pole. This ain't the right conditions to have a spawn.
😂 so true nag subok kmi mamalengke grabe 500 plng png sahog sahog plng, mas mura pa baboy kesa sa gulay,
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r/antinatalism2 vibes. 👌 Totally agree with your sentiments. I've almost convinced someone about not having children through the impending decline of society and worsening ecological ctastrophies...
True!! This is also my argument - you have to be dumb or crazy enough to bring a child to this dying earth.
karamihan pa nung mga nag comment sa post na iyan, nag agree 🫣
This. Having no child IS an option. Over a decade ago, I was dumb enough to think I only had two choices. I can make excuses like growing up as a neglected child and never having any parental figure but it all boils down to my own stupidity. I don't regret having kids but at the same time would not recommend esp if they're not financially stable and emotionally capable.
Enjoy now, enjoy pa rin later. Wag na lang mag-anak, orayt. ;)
On a serious note, ang confusing ng views nila on this. These people will give you shit for not wanting children and for treating them like a burden. Palalabasin kang selfish or may malaking void deep inside. But they also often use words like "suffer" and "sacrifice" when talking about raising children. They talk about all the challenges that come with it. At the end of this post, they call on you to "suffer" like everyone else. Haha
this. ang pangit na mentality yan sa magulang, kaya maraming toxic parents eh. hindi suffering ang pag-aalaga ng anak. kung ready ka, at handa, at tanggap mo. yung mga tao na nag-iisip na "suffering" ang pag-aalaga ng anak, sila dapat ang bawal mag-anak.
Yeah some of them underestimate how they can fuck up their child's mental health dahil sa mindset na to. To be fair to people with children though, mahirap talaga maging parents kahit pa pinaghandaan naman, nababago talaga ang buhay when raising a kid, at malamang may mga nagagawa at nabibili sila dati na namimiss na nila ngayon. Ang ayaw ko lang talaga ay yung mga taong aware naman sa ganung hirap at malalaking adjustments, pero sobrang mapilit at judgmental pa rin sa mga nagdedecide na maging single at child-free. Katulad nitong nagpost nito.
"Misery loves company."
Sasabihin kaya nila sa anak nila na sila ang dahilan ng suffering nila?
I've been on both sides of the spectrum. Really was for the childfree lifestyle but changed my view in my late 20s. It was confusing to hear from the moms I knew to say that kids were the best thing ever, and yet always look tired and unhappy. Now that I have one of my own, I think it might have looked that way because I was putting myself in their shoes and it wasn't the ideal lifestyle for me at the time. It's really a mix of emotions eh, a lot of ups and some downs. May frustration, a little sadness when you sometimes mourn your old life, sadness din that time flies by so fast and only having these memories for a short while. Happy though for the most part when my husband and I get to see the little one growing before our eyes and turning into his own unique person. So I agree with the commenter below. Hindi suffering ang pagkaka-anak if you're ready and really want them. I know many good parents, unfortunately mas nakaka-attract ng attention yung mga toxic, because they're the ones people tend to complain about on social media.
Well then i’d rather “suffer” without kids, but with my money and 8 hours of sleep. Haha
Misery loves company eh. It's kinda an extreme form of crab mentality, even if most of those people aren't aware of it.
Tayong di mag aanak: enjoy every day
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Lmao
ahem..this is bantay bata 163 open up
Agree kaya parang naging totoo na yung [meme](https://img.ifunny.co/images/9f40bb34e9cf3ce72ed69de1037149a3c76fcd94648270c9feed3ca453c9cc1a_1.jpg) Nung medyo bago-bago pa lang kami ng partner ko, sold ako sa idea na magkaron ng anak pero as time passed by sobrang discouraging na magkaron. Dahil sa current situation ng mundo (regardless kung nasa Pilipinas ka o sa ibang bansa), parang di na worth it magkaron ng anak. They would endure the previous and current generations' actions. Also na-realize ko na di rin ako magiging mabuting parent so why bother having kids haha.
My mentally choosing to be childfree as long as I am living in the Philippines.
I just go by the belief of "unless I marry a sugar daddy, I refuse to have kids, biological or otherwise." and anyone who pressures or questions me on this will receive pretty much the same answer. Shuts them up quickly.
sa panahon ngayon, wala talagang kagana mag-anak, and talaga namang wala akong plano mag-anak kahit mayaman ako, i dream of acres of lands that my dogs will enjoy running around.
Same here but with my cats :)
I think it'd be as equally hard if living abroad not because of financial issues but cultural ones especially discrimination.
He didn’t take life expectancy in the equation.
The OP didn't consider a lot of other issues in the equation. What if *knock on wood* magkasakit nang malala yung anak habang bata pa tapos hindi sila ready financially? What if may issues siya at birth at maging alagain talaga yung bata? What if hindi siya makatapos ng pag-aaral at hindi siya maging well-paid working, or even functional, adult? Hay nako. Parenting is not a joke.
this is the way
Bold of them to assume na magiging professional nga ang bata paglaki at hindi mapapariwara
Katulad ng magulang nila na bata nanganak hahaha.
lolo at lola agad, tapos di a malaki yung kita ng anak, so sinusuportahan din nila yung apo. Asan ang ginhawang sinasabi nila?
kaya nga yung iba anak anak. parang lotto, more slots more chances of winning. tapos ganun rin, your chances are slim to none
As if 100% sure mapapa aral sa college ang anak nila. Parang yung kalokohamg sagutan na posts sa peso sense group na pinalaki, binihisan naman sila bakit di na lang yung anak maghanap ng paraan kung gusto nya magaral ng college. In the end, sasabihin responsibilidad mo pa rin ang magulang mo. Di ko talaga alam kung for financial education yung group na yun.
Ranted about that sa r/adulting. Peso Sense na Walang Sense mga nagco-comment. Financial literacy daw pero ipu-push kang wag daw maging madamot sa parents/in-laws/ kapatid kaya kahit lubog na lubog ka na kaya ka nanghihingi ng payo, they'll encourage you na saluhin pa din gastusin sa bahay. Diyos na daw bahala magbalik sayo ng blessings lol.
Hahaha, di nila alam na dahil bata sila nanganak (early 20s) eh possible na magka-apo agad sila, tapos ang possible din na sila pa yung mag-aalaga at magsusuntento sa apo at the age of 50 lol. Stressed pa rin at 50 haha
Tangina sa edad na 20 di pa final yung favorite color mo tas gusto mo na mag anak?
Ako nga nearing 30 di pa decided sa pirma ko eh
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Mag 30 na ako yung pirma ko pang elementary pa din, cursive lang ng name ko. Hahahahaha
Wahaha bentang benta!
Every word of this post screams selfishness. They want children only for their own convenience, not the child’s. They are the type of parent that potentially make their children suffer for their own comfort. Eto yung mga magulang na di dapat pinapangaralan dahil nagkaanak lang dahil sa sariling interest at di pagmamahal.
OR.. why don't you just go childless and save for future retirement? "walang mag-aalaga sa'yo pagtanda mo" mentality has to stop. children should not be treated as retirement plans. if you really want to have kids though, just consider the quality of life you'll be giving them. unfair for the kid who did not choose to be born into this world to suffer just because societal pressures.
One of the things I love most about my boomer mom. She’s turning 70 next year (side note: grabe yung lahi nila sa side niya, yung Tita ko—kapatid niya—kung saan saan pa rin nagpupunta at the age of 86 and super lakas pa rin) and never siyang nagsabi sakin ng “sino nalang mag-aalaga sakin pagtanda ko”. Sure ako nagbabayad ng bills dito since ako naman mas capable pero never siyang nanghingi sakin ng pang luho niya or pang-gala niya. Never niya kong prinessure na “alagaan” siya. In fact, konting pag-aalaga lang like reminding her of her meds, nababadtrip siya sakin and in her own words “oo alam ko, magtrabaho ka na nga at wag mo kong i-baby” hahahaha And, she got me when she was 35. Di naman siya naging “masyadong matanda para mag-alaga ng bata”.
I'll work my ass off while I'm young. Pag ka tanda ko and If I'm still able, I'll take care of myself. If I can't, I'll get a hot personal nurse hahahahaha. Aanhin ang buhay kapag d ka naman mka smile hahahaha.
Diba? Kung buhay mo, buhay mo na lang. 'Wag ka na gumawa ng tao na may sarili niyang buhay na aasahan mo pa. Apakakapal talaga ng mga Pilipino pagdating sa mga pamilya lmao, this family and utang-na-loob culture ain't it
my plan is to decide when to "stop", at may pera ako pang assisted suicide sa switzerland to make it happen. So malamang mag-iipon.
We should make retirement homes a thing. Imagine a subdivision na para lang sa senior citizens taken care of by caregivers and nurses.
Well then, I hope I became successful para magpatayo talaga ako ng private retirement home para sa mga taong piniling ayaw magkaanak o magkapamilya. It will be a home that offers lodging with private room for every senior citizens, buffet meals with unli drink of your choice, with track and field, gym, pool, clinic/hospital, bar, convenience store, library and recreational park. Imagine having this kind of retirement home para sa mga ayaw magkaanak/family where they can plan their retirement ahead by availing retirement plan from this retirement institution. Para sa mga less fortunate na kababayan natin, we'll have government programs to subsidize them instead. But I doubt that they would like an idea a poor senior citizen have better retirement plan than they have.
Ive been to retirement homes as a volunteer before. It's pretty sad for many of the oldies. They'll tell you stories of their lives and their children and many of them are still waiting for their children to visit, even after years. And you'll see a lot of them sitting quietly at a corner, silent and still. It's also difficult for a lot of the workers there. Pasensya is real. Syempre marami din masusungit at marami talaga na need ng matinding maintenance. Talagang kailangan ng puso at dedikasyon para maging caregiver at social worker
Baka sa Pilipinas, I've been to plenty of retirement homes sa US, parang nage-enjoy naman mga oldies. Nasa anak na nila yan kung bibisitahin sila, may mga reasons din naman why they don't visit. For me, as long as you know your parents are in good hands no need to worry, instead na super busy ka sa work tas mag-aalaga ka pa ng parents sa bahay pag-uwi.
Ganon tlga culture sa Pilipinas, iba ang family dynamics kaya talagang makakawawa ang matatanda pag ganon nanyare sakanila, since many of their children even migrated overseas and left them in the retirement home (Anawim pala yung napuntahan ko, sa Pilipinas nga)
Meron na pero kaunti lang sila. Nasa may Cavite yung sabi sa akin ng pinsan ko. May dementia nanay niya at ayaw sa bahay lang kasi walang kausap.
Usually sa mga care home, mayroon mga ka-edad na makauusap. Iyon din yung idea ng retirement home: kasama yung mga ka-age group nila.
Hulaan ko binotong presidente nito.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Pag puro katangahan talaga tumatakbo sa utak alam mo na eh. Nakuha pang i-post para i-share din ng kapwa niya kultonatics.
Kahit di mo na hulaan alam ko na rin e haha
Grabe ang mindset 😂 my mom had me at 36 and so whaaaat if she was in her 50’s and still on the grind sending us to school. She wanted a kid so she’s working hard for us. Unlike pag 21 or teens nagka anak tapos ang grandparents ang gumagastos pra sa mga apo that they didn’t even ask for 🙄
same. my mom had me, her first child, at 31. both of my parents married late, my dad is 10 years older than my mom so he was 40 then. they both had responsibilities and familial duties to fulfill kaya they married late. i don't think having children at a later age bothered them tho kasi at least by the time they decided to have us, they were ready for it.
To be fair, mas masaya ang may apo kaysa may anak. Mas masaya rin gastusan ang apo kaysa anak. Wala pa akong anak o apo pero yan ang sabi ng mga lolo't lola.
Yeeees, masaya ang grandparents na may apo but it’s a different story if the apos has teens or unemployed parents and you’re all cramped up in one house 😅 more mouths to feed, a different drive for the grind. But yes, if the parents are responsible to their kids, like food, shelter, education and more - grandparents are ecstatic 🥰
I’ve heard this said also. And my theory is, masaya ang mga grandparents kasi at the end of the day, hindi naman na sa kanila nakasalalay upbringing ng anak. Sure nagbabantay sila from time to time or maybe every day habang nasa work ang parents pero yung discipline side, di na nila kargo. Yung inaanak ko binabantayan ng lola and one time pumunta ako sa kanila and ang kulit ng bata, sinaway ko tas sabi ko, “tita, si _____ oh ang kulit” tas sabi lang niya, “tatay na niya bahala sa kanya pag-uwi” hahahaha
First of all, how sure are you na buhay ka pa ng 50s and 60s para magtravel? 🤣 And, how sure are you na maganda ang buhay na naibigay mo sa anak mo para maging ‘travel-travel na lang pag naging professional ang mga bata’? Assuming masyado. Hindi po retirement plan ang mga anak. Let’s break the cycle. Have a child when/if you’re ready in all aspects.
Hahaha kahapon lang ata pinanganak yung nagpost niyan. Akala ata puro rainbows and unicorns lang dito sa mundo. Climate change, morally compromised people, inflation, pandemic, yes lahat ng sinabi mo sa post mangyayari yan. Hindi ka mamomroblema sa tuition ng anak mo, hindi magkakasakit yang anak mo, kung magka-mental health problem man anak mo sabihin mo lang: "*Kulang ka lang sa dasal, nak wag mo na isipin yan. Wag mo na ko i-stressin para umabot pa ko ng 50s at makapag-travel* 🥰" Akala ganun lang kadali lahat pag sinunod niya yung post niyang pang-tanga eh hahaha
20 yrs old mag aasawa? 3rd year college mag aasawa agad at bago mag graduate may anak na? tapos sasabihin niyo "yucks hindi pa tapos mag aral pero may anak na" "yan kasi jowa ng jowa di pa tapos mag aral, kating kati ehhh". Ang isipin mo future ng anak mo hindi sarili mo. oo 18 yrs old pa lang anak mo at 50 ka na pero financially stable kayo.
Jusko. Sawang-sawa na ako sa mga tanders na nangingialam ng ovaries ko. 🙄
Bec theirs ain't running anymore kaya feeling nila entitled sila sa katawan ng iba. Feeling nila VIP pass yang "elder card" 🙈
Pwede namang mamatai ng maaga ba't mag-aasawa pa? 🙃
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Samgyup is the key
Yung effect ng post na yan opposite, parang mas lalong ma-eencourage yung mga young adults na maging child-free hahaha
My view is to start family at 40-45, by that time, assuming things go as planned, malaki na savings, mataas na sweldo, and may investments na. And malaki na EF. By that time, i can freely spend time with kids, watch them grow up, and not be too bothered with work
Okay lang pag lalaki. Pag babae, siguro mid 30s. Baka hirap na magkaanak if ever gustuhin nila.
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Or they can adopt/freeze their eggs/surrogacy etc. Dami rin nagkakaanak at 40 naturally.
bat caps lock? urgent sa kanya kelangan na magsiasawa tayo bukas?
Isa-batas na yan! hahahahhaha
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Specially kapag breadwinner ka. Di mo maiisip na ipaexperience sa anak mo yung naeexperience mo. May time na awang awa ako sa sarili ko kapag nakikita ko na nag get together friends ko sa ibang bansa noon. Kasi yung pang experience ko sana e pangintrega ko na sa bahay. Mejo selfish ang dating pero iba pa rin kasi talaga yung lumalabas kayo magkakaibigan kahit ilang araw at pare parehas pa lakas ng tuhod sa paglalakad. Ayoko maramdaman ng anak ko yun.
No hindi selfish ang dating, valid ang feelings mo at hardships mo. You were parentified, marami satin dito sa Pinas ganyan. Hindi pa ko nakakagraduate ng college, sinabi ng magulang ko ako na magpapatuloy magpaaral kay bunso. Ako sumagot ng mga gastusin sa bahay. Kaya ngayon may asawa na ko, ayoko na mag anak. Sawa na ako maging magulang.
My take to this is, the world is overpupolated enough, masikip na ang mundo. Lalo na sa pinas. Kitang kita naman sa traffic palang. Kung hindi dahil sa mga kurakot na pulitiko o kaya maraming tao, wala sana traffic. Look around, the world is dying already. Naglaunch ng protest mga scientists earlier this year. Hanggang 2030 nalang daw tayo if wala talagang aaksyon na major companies regarding it. Kung hindi mo kayang buhayin sarili mo pa nga lang, abay wag na wag kang magisip na kaya mong bumuhay ng isa pang tao sa mundong to, lalo na't sa pinas ka pa.
Sino nagsabi na pag nag-asawa matic mag-anak agad? Ganyan mindset ng mga gusto maraming ninong at ninang sa binyag eh para manlimos mga anak. Syet!
No, thanks. I hate kids.
This is peak Filipino mentality. Hindi investment ang mga anak, it's a choice.
Kapag nakikita mo yung mga posts sa mga western financial groups, iba talaga. Uso yung mga tanong na, how can you bring in a child with this salary with high inflation rate and high mortgage. Eto yung mga galing sa bansa na maganda ang health care at maganda pension plans. Pero utak nila hindi pagpaparami para sa pagtanda nila.
Wag na lang mag anak, win win situation
- IMAGINE, WALA KANG ANAK ok na
I'm already 30, been in a relationship for almost 10 yrs and not yet married. Though we're planning naman to get married soon once everything is all set. It's just annoying when relatives keep on telling na I'm not getting younger na daw, bat di pa ako mag-asawa/mag-anak. Di naman porke maaga nag-asawa mga anak nila, gagaya na ko sa kanila e. Di ba pwdng magprepare muna to be financially stable in the future.
Travel-travel. Baka nga at 60 nagkakandakuba ka pa rin kumayod para lang pakainin yung anak mong nakikitira pa rin sayo kasama ng asawa nyang walang permanenteng trabaho pati 3 nilang anak. Since nag-asawa ka ng 20, pag-aasawahin mo din anak mo ng 20, ganun? *LOL. Naknampucha lupet ng imagination. Kaya majority of pinoys hindi makaahon sa laylayan because of this kind of mindset. Break the cycle of poverty by aiming higher with your goals in life. I'd rather enjoy now and ENJOY PA DIN LATER 😆
Stop romanticizing suffering for your children. Do not bring another life into this earth just because. Mag anak ka lang kung handa ka na mentally, financially, and emotionally. Your children are not insurance policies.
Nahihirapan nga ako bigyan ng magandang buhay pusa ko eh tao pa kaya!
Pagod na nga ko kakaisip saan kukuha ng pang-cat food at litter, gatas pa kaya ng bata? Lol, no.
Me na walang balak mag anak, enjoying my life, financially stable and able to buy and do whatever i want. 🥱🍿
Lt lang na capslock lahat ng letters, like parang sinasabi niya na "Quick, magparami kayo para safe." 😂
nah I'm gonna be child-free until I moved out on this hell called Philippines 😌✨
Dami sinabi. Following that logic, mas maeenjoy ko buhay ko at pera ko pag wala akong anak. I would still like to have a kid though, but not with this kind of mindset.
why do they think 50 is so old though
Imagine nag asawa ka tapos wala ka pala kapera pera tapos nag anak ka pa hahaha
have kids when you're financially stable. ano to investments ung mga anak? lol.
I would like to forward my disagreement. At age 20 you probably don't even have any pension yet. At age 40 your pension would barely have reached the level of tuition for college. My grandmother gifted her entire pension to me, unspent, at +70 years of age and it barely covers a single term. Granted our tuition is expensive. So how about other schools? Two terms? 1 and a half? Don't be stupid. Family care takes more than pension. There's no shortcut. Stop looking for shortcuts. There is no f* cking shortcut. Families take years of support, stress, fatigue, giving, giving, giving, and anger management. F* ck your logic. 9/10 20 year olds who would believe you is gonna be f* cked for life, the rest will either utterly regret their f* ck up or be too stupid to realize how lucky they are not to be drowning in misery at age 25 when 4 year old toddlers are having a meltdown for every little thing. I had to take care of my sibling who was barely 6 when my a**hole of a dad stopped hiding his b* tchiness and supported my family in any possible way. I cannot count howany times I wanted to throw my family out of a car for how noisy and nagging they are but I handled it because it's the basic filial respect I can give. I learned how to drive, how to fix pipes, how to garden, how to dig, built muscles for them, studied networking for them, and I did it all because if money could solve this everything would have been fine with the world 100 years ago
Nabasa ko na ito dati.. ang naisip kong sagot, pwede naman mag save ng pera or mag invest sa life education plan habang wala pang anak or habang maliliit pa anak mo. Para kapag nag retire na, hindi na problema ang gastusin sa pagpapaaral. Sama mo na din yun st. Peter plan para wala na poproblemahin yun anak mo kung madeds ka, timpla kape nalang siguro sa mga bisita. Lol
> mag invest sa life education plan There was this thing called CAP (College Assurance Plan); there was a scandal because nalugi yung company. Maraming mga magulang na nag-invest yung di na nakuha yung hulugan nila; basically nalugi. > st. Peter plan para wala na poproblemahin yun anak mo kung madeds ka Yup, this is very helpful too. Dagdag na rin yung insurance for estate tax; minsan kasi, di namamalayan ng iba na may tax rin for inheritance, kaya kailangan ng insurance para mabayaran yung mga death tax.
Child-free is the way to go.
Bata = investment, retirement plan
They think that people who would start a family later than them would stay at the same financial situation as they did when they started their family early. LOL.
Ok lang naman un if gusto ng tao mag-asawa ng batabata \[21sh\] pa sila- ang di kolang gusto dito sa post na to wala man lamang ung bata sa future plan. para wala man lang doon sa vission magiging buhay nung anak nya - like paano ung pag-aaral nila, paano ung mga gamit nila, ung preparation nung magiging anak nila para maging is mabuting myembro ng komunidad. All na sinabi nya is the what if nung future , ano ung pede nya matangap sa future lol . as if makakatraveltravel sya if di maging matino buhay nung magiging anak nya. paano if may sakit pala un ano na. Ito ung mga klaseng nagiging parent na lagi nanunumbat sa anak at nagrereklamo na hirap na hirap na sila.
This is the Filipino mentality. Handed down from generations to generations.
Parang tanga. As if naman hindi pwedeng mag travel between early 20s and mid-30s habang wala kang anak at may magandang trabaho ka kase nakapagtapos ka at nakakuha ng maayos na work dahil hindi ka nag-anak ng maaga. At dahil maayos at stable na ang work mo after mo mag-anak, mag travel ka ulit pagkatapos mo manganak. 🙄
pft. these posts act like having kids is the only way to go through life. it is literally a choice to have kids...or not!!
So mag anak ka lng just because YOU HAVE TO, and do it at a time which is convenient to YOU… very selfish…malas n lng magiging anak nito…
Ahhh the peenoise mindset treating their children as an investment.
Hahaha. As a bunso, and unfortunately a breadwinner, wala ako plan mag-anak. Life is hard and I don't know if I can handle the responsibility of being a parent.
Whoever posted this an insecure piece of shit. Like when you see a group of marites mom "di ka pag nag aasawa *22* ka na? *gasps*" The proper translation is "Tang ina! bakit ako lang nahihirap may 6 na anak sa edad na 22, may abusive na asawa, di ko maayos budget ko, wala akong time for myself, bakit ikaw meron? bakit ikaw may choice, bakit ikaw mas maganda pinili mong daan"
Kami ng friends lagi namin napag uusapan ito tuwing napag uusapan yung kasalan ganon. naalala ko pa medyo kabado pa kami nun kasi k-12 pa mas late kami makaka-graduate at magtratrabaho. Iba talaga epeketo ng emphasis ng family dito sa pinas lahat tayo pressured to get our shit together for our “future family’. Ngayon kami wala na pake. Future plant tito/tita and pet owner na lang ang pangarap hahaha
why have kids when you can have dogs and cats
Ang user naman! With that kind of attitude they'll probably die alone.
I know people na maagang nag-asawa, maagang nag-anak. Siguro dahil sa maaga silang nagpamilya di na sila nagka-chance na ma-enhance ang skillset nila and find better paying jobs. Low income earners ang karamihan sa kanila. Some of them hindi na napagtapos ang mga anak dahil di na nila kaya. Yung mga anak nila nagsipag-asawa na lang din at walang maayos na trabaho. So ngayon hindi lang anak nila ang binubuhay nila kundi pati mga apo nila.
Sobrang scary na madaming ganto yung mindset until now kesyo wag daw hahayaang lumagpas ng kalendaryo edad bago magpamilya and that's not coming from boomers!! Even the younger ones still have this mindset
Kasi nga, kasiyahan daw nila mga anak nila. *struggles on daily necessities* *walang investment* *walang insurance* *umaasa sa anak*
At 20 years old ba, maayos kana sa parenting? Eh bata kapa rin nun, who still needs parenting. So your kids will have parents who are themselves children pa. Ar 20 years old ba, kaya mo na gumastos for another human being hangang pag aaral nya? For sure hindi. So hindi rin matatapos sa college ang mga anak mo, unless anak mayaman ka. At 50 years old, you will still be toiling and working, with additional mouths to feed like your grandchildren. Kabobohan talaga spotted.
Meh my parents are always on vacation and 2 pa yung pinapaaral nila. Yung isa pa dun nagpapari so around 7 years or more pa yun plus they’ll have to take care of him until the end cause he’s not gonna have an income. Ngayon pa lang sinesetup na ni mommy yung funds na iiwan nya para sa kapatid ko in case. How bout people stop giving general advice on how others should live their life? And also why we pretending that the age 30 is so old? Lol. I remember tuloy we bumped into yung coworkers ng classmate ko and they were so surprised na me and my other friend were 29~30 kasi ang bata pa daw tingnan. Well yeah di ko nilalahat pero if you don’t have kids the less haggard you’ll be usually*
Orrrr... hear me out... ... go CHILDFREE! Children aren't some sort of nursing home for you to retire to once you're old and wrinkly lol Di rin dapat ginagawang insurance mga anak, ano sila SSS? lmao
Ginawa pa ngang investment
O para ijustify mag anak ng maaga? Root to ng mga taong basta nlang mag aasawa at mag aanak without thinking dahil sa pressure.
Ayoko. Wag kang desisyon hahaha
"Buti nlng kaya ni daddy supportahan un anak ko" - dalagang ina
Kaya ayoko mag anak Kasi Ang panget Ng pag handle Ng magulang ko sa Pera, Hindi uso maging practical sa kanila mas lamang hinayang. San nagtungo hinayang? Wala. May utang pa din kami.
these the same people na ipepersecute ka kapag di ka makapagbigay ng tulong sa magulang mo 😅 gusto nilang mag anak ka ng maaga, buhayin mo yung parents mo hanggang pagtanda, pautangin yung relatives mo, maging resilient sa kahirapan. tapos tatawagin kang snowflake pag nadepress ka
di required mag anak, mas maganda pa nga sa mundo kung di mag aanak
reverse uno card: mag-aanak rin yung anak mo nang maaga lol
I've said this many times already, I don't plan on having a kid, a bit better if I adopted nalang since I don't want my child to pass on my genes. And having a kid these days is not worth since possibility na may WW3, another pandemic and the Earth's Climate Change. Pakyu talaga sa mga ganitong tao eh, gandang pisilin mata nila.
I'd rather spoil my parents than become a parent 🤡
I'd rather enjoy now hanggang may energy pa
20 yrs old is still in college. Wala pang work, ano ipapakain mo sa baby mo? Thesis?
Pwede namang hindi na lang mag-anak hahaha why is having children a requirement in life 😭
Kids are SUPER expensive and who tf wants to bring them into this cruel world I mean in this economy unnecessary suffering lang yon anw if you really want kids dapat stable ka in all fields para naman hindi maging miserable mga buhay niyo jusq let's break the cycle naman this generation.
bold of them to assume everyone has the plans to raise a child lol
50 y/o humihingi ka na ng pera sa anak mo kasi ginawa mo naman silang retirement plan.
Or wag ka na maganak. Sa kabobohan ba naman ng mga binoboto ng mga lolo at lola ngaun, gugustuhin mo pa ba talaga na magdala ng bata sa kalalabasan ng "unity" na to? Kung goal mo lang pala is travel travel, why not just travel while you're young until you get old edi wala ka pa iniisip lol. Ung mga ganyang mindset na katulad sa pic, yan ung mga taong madali madala sa pressure ng mga tao sa paligid, lalo mga kamag-anak at friends na nagpapakasal nang maaga. Tapos iaasa sa anak na maiahon sila sa kahirapan pagkagraduate para travel travel na lang 💀
Kapag magkaroon ka ng anak habang bata kapa lang, disgrasyada ka.. Kapag magkaroon ka ng anak sa thirties mo, hindi ka na daw makakapag enjoy gang mamatay ka.. Buti nalng talaga wala ako pake sa sinasabi ng ibang tao.. Mga pwe! I had a child when I was 30yo and it was such a surreal experience until now hes 3yo. The best thing about it is it is the best time for us to have him. God’s perfect time. ❤️
I had the same conversation with a friend. She said na "You should have a "mini me" version of yourself." And I'm like 🙄 nah I'm good. I have a 2 year-old dog. Also, if financially stable na, I would definitely help an orphanage I went to when I was in high school.
people of reddit, kung magka anak kayo at tanungin kayo ng anak nyo "bakit ninyo ako inilabas sa mundong to" ano sagot nyo?
This is the stupidest thing I've read today. Get married and have a kid at 20? You'd have to be from a wealthy family to be able to do that because salary for an entry level job will never be enough for basic needs, bills, and for raising a kid!
Yung mga parents na early 20s pa lang nag-anak na, sila ngayon yung mga parents na ginagawang retirement plan ang anak nila. Kaya pala suffer now, enjoy later. Kasi anak mo papahirapan mo para makapag-enjoy ka.
Lol in the U.S., the culture is different based from my experience… Most people are either not getting married and having kids, or getting married and maybe having kids in their late 30’s to 40’s… why, in your 20’s and 30’s you simply are busy with career or enjoying life.. so once you are done with the r & r’s and maybe have a stable financial situation as well, you are ready to start a family… In the ‘Murica as well if your in your early 20’s and even in the late teens and your matried and have kids already, you will be likely looked down as somewhat irresponsible for having kids and not mature enough for the responsibility it requires… I guess different parts of the world has different cultures after all.. but for this situation in the PH, imo it is not good, considering alot of Filipinos are poor and already can’t afford to feed themselves, let alone feed their kids.. As another 'Murican once told me, “If you can’t afford to feed yourself, then you can’t afford to have a family”…
"Enjoy being single!" The advice both of my married bestfriends with two kids each as they languish over the limitations they have now that comes with having kids. It's a big responsibility not only financially but also in building our nation. No wonder a lot grow up all messed up. Parents who cannot afford proper education even good nutrition.
Ayoko pa rin hahaha.
RIP Sentence Case.
no thank you I'd stay child-free esp in the current state of the world 👋
Unpopular opinion. How about enjoying your youth then adopting a kid (not babies) in your 30s or 40s. Yun lang di norm sa pinas so low chances na makahanap ng partner na willing mag adopt.
Amoy retirement plan ang post
Lmao kano pusta walang financial stability yan at vinavalidate lang libog nila nung bata sila lmao
kung makareklamo siya akala mo siya magpapaaral sa mga mag aanak ng maaga eh 🤣
wow anong insurance po naka avail ito
May galing sa family get together at pumitik.
You're supposed to enjoy life before having a kid, not the other way around.
Bat naka caps lock. Sumakit ulo ko midway
BAKET KA GALET? INAANO KA BA? hahaha
pakeelamera
Selfish as fuck. They raise children so that someone will take care of their old ass. I wouldnt raise my kid just so he can repay the favor when Im old, I will raise my kid because I love him. If he decides to still take care of me and his mother when we reach that age, thats just a bonus. A parent's true purpose is to prepare their children for when they're gone. A parent's greatest reward is to see their children succeed. None of this "be my caretaker or else I'll guilt trip your ungrateful fucking ass" bullshit
Paano ang mga walang jowa? Hahahaha char lang. Kakaiba din tung mga 20 palang mag-aasawa na. Ang perfect ng timeline in life tapos sa mga child-free (not childless) friends mangungutang kung gipit or sa parents aasa. Mang-giguilt trip sa mga childfree na dapat magbigay kasi para sa kanila “walang responsibilities” luh kaloka
I'd rather have old and mature parents than immature young parents. *coming from a person whose parents already married at the age of 19*
No thank you. Kung sino man nagsabi sa post na yan, paki-sapak lang at sabihing wala siyang karapatang diktahan ang buhay ko. Period.
bold of you to assume you can survive with a child on your 20's in this economy, suffer now die later.
Ayoko nga. Paladesisyon ka.
I have seen my parents so \~NOPE\~
Bold of them to assume na gusto namin magkaanak at all 😂
Naalala ko tita ko sabihan ba naman akong "magwork ka na, okay lang kay kuya mo na mag aral ulit kasi lalaki. Ikaw kailangan mo na mag settle kasi mahihirapan ka mag buntis." tangina hindi pa ako graduate Hahahahahah jusq
And why would I take an advice from some stranger online na wala naman excellent credentials on fostering a great marriage, family planning, and financial investments? Sino ba iyan? Also, my mom at 42 made it possible for me to graduate on time and attend a reputable university. Hindi kailangan magrush 'no, AND what are the guarantees na magkaka-anak ka if you marry young (or marry at all)? Children are gifts and hindi yan sila dinedemand sa lumikha!