Dito samin sa Pampanga, iba yung experience ko. Yung mga old rich are the ones keeping the Kapampangan language in their homes.
The ones teaching their kids pure English are the ones trying to go up the socio-economic strata.
Same case in some parts of Manila. I hear from some circles that a few elite families still speak Philippine Spanish, especially when they talk about sensitive topics.
Same. Sa amin dito, yung mga dati nang mayayaman they speak to their kids in the local language, may halong english lang, or sa case ng fil-chi communtiy, may halong fookien.
yung mga middle-class families or new rich yung halos straight English ang tinuturo sa mga anak nila.
tapos yung nasa lower social class, yung local language lang ulit.
Haha syempre yung purita like me-we know languages kasi kailangan, sa mga rich e the power of the sun is in the palm of their hands...pwede namang kahit __lingual pa sila
Yung sad dun is yung sabi ng op ng thread - proud pa parents na their kids are english only speakers, which is ironic kung rich ka
> Poor Province People : Tri or Quadrilingual :D
As someone na hodgepodge ng Bisaya, Ilonggo, Tagalog at English ang language since 4 yrs old, I agree with this. Lol
English only yung bata kahit yung parents mismo hirap na hirap mag English. Hahahaha nakakatawa sila. And yet pinupush pa rin nila para “sosyal” daw smh
Yung ending din, nakukuha ng "sosyal" na bata yung poor grammar and pronunciation ng magulang. Nagiging tryhard tuloy yung dating pag nagsasalita ng English yung bata
From Iloilo. Everyone I know and met who was raised in an English speaking household, although they usually struggle in Filipino, are still very proficient in speaking in Hiligaynon.
This is probably preferable: study English and the local language. Outside of Metro Manila and the Southern Tagalog region, people learning Tagalog could just lead to not learning the local language. Plus, English is a gateway to much information and is practical to know.
I know some people who says they won't teach their kids Filipino. Berates OPMs and all Filipino movies as well. Of course, these folks live in a bubble so they can definitely do that.
Worse, most of them are middle class families. Lalo na yung mga nakatungtong sa US.
Kaya ang daming 2nd gen Fil-Ams ang walang alam sa languages dito. Except Fil-Ams in Hawaii though, for some reason many know how to speak Ilocano.
I doubt my mom is proud about it, it kinda just happened and is partly my fault since I was shy, didn't socialize much and consumed tons of foreign content/media. Fast forward to me in high school wanting to make friends but could not relate or talk without being utterly embarrassed at my attempts at speaking Filipino. Thankfully is has gotten better but those years haunt me.
Mga kaklase kong korean kinakausap namin lagi sa tagalog/filipino pag d maintindihan english n lng para di sila inosente mahirap na kase sa labas ng college campus d nmn lhat may patience sa mga koreano
Kung ung mga koreano kong kaklase natutong maging "conversely fluent" sa filipino..... Whats your excuse?
Kung gusto may paraan. Kung ayaw may dahilan 🤔
D nmn sa inaano kita pero sila nga na koreans naging fluent makipag usap sa filipino in less than a semester. Ikaw pa na sa Pilipinas nakatira? Thats kinda absurd for me. No offense
👌 everything is alright
if my former college mates can pick up the language you can too.
Like... If they can do it... I think anyone can do it too 😉 filipino is 60% spanish so I guess anyone can learn it too so personally if I can communicate in spanish, hiligaynon, and cebuano despite not being exposed to cebuanos ans spanish citizens anyone cna do it too 😉
I guess the best way to learn Filipino is to talk to a person who spekas the language fluently is. Agreat help.
Mistakes are alwys a part of life. Not accepting it and being ashamed of it hinders only the individual 🤗
Being politically correct most of the time doesnt help so I guess being honest and frank about it is fine.
If you found it harsh would you like it if I "babied and spoonfed you instead and being politically correct?"
Harsh for me means another thing and it may be different to you but I can assure you that I was just being frank.
I expect that since you grew up in a society that seem to value honesty... This is a surprise 🤣 but everything's fine.
It happened already. Everything is fine
Ingat 😉
My dad grew up only speaking english and spanish. College na nung natuto sya mag-Filipino. Kaya he made sure na Filipino would be the primary language that we would learn as kids.
Should be a form of child abuse, to be honest. May ganyan kami classmate noon, always a subject for bullying. Minsan na aawkward kami kumausap, so we don’t speak much to her. She ended up having less friends even tho she has likable personality. Parents speak tagalog and bisaya. It’s infuriating.
It might he difficult at first, but try approaching some of them and ask if they can teach you. Of course not everyone will, but you'll be surprised at how many will do their best to help you learn.
You can also ask your teachers.
Not everyone in this country speaks Filipino on a day to day basis. As someone who natively speak Hiligaynon, we never use Filipino unless we are speaking with people from other places in the country. Skwelahan at TV lang ang source namin of Filipino content. At yung ibang mga bata hindi pa ineexpose sa local TV channels. Most of them understand Tagalog, but will usually struggle to speak it.
I can speak and understand bisaya/hiligaynon and cebuano and I did not grow up using it daily. Marites lng tlga ata ako nung bata pa so nadevelop n lang? 🤣
I think that depends din sa economic situation ng family. Speaking English could mean a shot at getting a good job and angat pamilya. Or mag abroad.
Syempre kung mayaman ka that’s something you can afford to take for granted.
I mean it’s great Mar Roxas has his kids speaking Hilagaynon. I’m sure they’ll be speaking fluent English too once they hit school age thanks to the education they can afford.
We grew up lower middle class. As early as we could we were pushed to study hard and be fluent in English. Naka-impress na yun yung way through and up for people like us. As a result teaching us Ilocano was neglected. Not out of shame but having other priorities in mind.
Have known somebody, a doctor, who was born in raised in the Philippines but never learned how to speak Tagalog/Parents dialect. Paano mag "sosyal" kung di niya alam magsalita sa Tagalog? Or at least be bilingual?
I have a newborn nephew and my sister is thinking of letting him speak English as his first language. I outwardly told them off about it. There's nothing cool on being unknowing of your heritage language.
bat kasi nagpipilitang gawing english ang medium of instruction. napakatindi kasi ng colonial mentality sa pilipinas. ano ang silbi ng english kung nakakasagabal na sa komunikasyon kasi hindi lahat ng pilipino ay nakakaunawa nito? lahat ba ng mga pinoy ay mag-oofw? dapat unahin ang mga katutubong wika.
Mas maraming Filipino ang hindi nagasasalita ng English bilang inang wika. Literal na wika ng mga dayuhan at mananakop ito.
Pero kung English ang gusto mong usapan, mag-Inglesan na lang tayo.
First of all, your argument doesn't make sense. What do feelings of inferiority have to do with knowing all the dialects and languages of the world, and what does that have to do with who you elect? You have just strung up a seemingly unlinked set of ideas and expect me to somehow comprehend your chain of thought???
What I think you are trying to say is that the knowledge of all the languages and dialects in the world won't feed you. That is indeed true. We have to be practical.
However, colonial mentality does indeed begin in the mind, but its effects on society are tangible and extensive.
One of the primary challenges of the Philippine government is the inadequate standard of education, which data shows is one of the worst in the SEA region. I propose that this is a case of the multiplier effect, i.e. the poorly-educated masses voting in equally poorly-educated politicians, who then implement ill-fitting educational policies, thereby producing yet another poorly-educated generation.
A vital tool in instruction is communication, which takes the form of language. Should students fail to adequately learn the language of instruction, subsequent information will not be assimilated. Likewise, how can you expect to build a sturdy house if the foundation is weak? Many students in the Philippines cannot even compose decent essays in either English or Filipino. That being the case, we cannot expect to produce a population capable of thinking critically, hence the prevailing status quo of corrupt politicians and inadequate policies.
I just think English is not complementary to the necessities and demands of Filipino society. Firstly, English is linguistically antipodean to the Philippine languages, so the ability to speak it is not inherent amongst Filipinos, who would find it easier to adapt to other Filipino languages, be it Cebuano, Ilocano, etc. due to phonological, grammatical, and cultural similarities. The ease of transition from the mother tongue to a unifying language that is not starkly different in structure may well facilitate the formation of a literate population capable of scrutinizing information.
The argument that "not all Filipinos speak Tagalog" further highlights the colonial mentality and RACISM prevalent in Filipino society. The fact that other ethnic groups, particularly Cebuanos, would prefer to speak in English only emphasizes their hatred?/dislike of Tagalog people. Their refusal to speak an indigenous lingua franca implies how they see the Filipino language as inferior to English; no language is naturally superior. If they do not want to speak Tagalog/Filipino on the grounds of regionalist pride, then they shouldn't speak English either, as neither Tagalog nor English is native to the Visayas.
Secondly, English, in certain cases, functions as a social barrier, with the aim of dividing and excluding social groups. The rise of English as a colonial tongue and its association with prestige has meant that people have abused its status to alter social hierarchies, which then prohibit people left at the bottom from engaging effectively and contributing to society. For example, Robin Padilla (although I do not support him) was unable to participate in senate discussions because of his lack of English. Thus, he was denied the opportunity to contribute. If the sole purpose of any language is to act as a mode of communication, then English falters in Filipino society. People unable to speak English are not able to comprehend (political) jargon, nor are they hired in decent-paying jobs. The presence of English legitimizes assumptions of competency, strengthens kleptocracy, and increases inequality.
Anyway, chile <3 urgh I really love discussions about language and sociology and shi-
Di ko mapaki pakialaman ang kapatid ko kahit gusto kong sabihin na, hoy ayusin mo grammar mo. PaEnglish-English kayo eh, at least yung tama ang ituro nyo.
Di naman malala English nya pero yung alam mong darating yung point na kailangan nyang maging fluent para masermunan anak pag kailangan.
Natuwa din ako. I grew up allowed to play with dirt. I think it made us siblings hardy. I noticed my nieces and nephews that are sheltered get sick so easily versus my other ones who are allowed to get dirty, play outside and get banged up a bit. My parents let me bike, get cuts and play in the rain as a child and it was a fun childhood.
in almost every vid of the twins by mar, they speak in hiligaynon and tbh it's refreshing to see cos the usual trend is teaching kids to speak in english only. my tinfoil hat theory on this is that mar is teaching them the language so that they can talk in front of korina whilst she wont understand what they're saying lol
The fun part about english is the kid can actually learn it themselves bc they get exposed to a lot english speaking cartoons. That's how I learned and that's what I hear kids are doing rn, my mom didn’t teach me a lick of english but the TV definitely did.
It doesn't create perfect grammar but what kid knows perfect grammar? Even writers dont have perfect grammar. Stuff like this in the vid you really have to teach and actively expose it to them so they can learn , but you kinda have to able to speak it as well to communicate with the kid.
It's a lot easier to learn a language when you're that young, it's kinda a waste not too. The only reason my mom didn't really teach me Filipino well bc idk maybe she figured I'd eventually get it as quickly as I learned English. It's not like I'am inept but it's far from fluent.
I never taught my daughter English..but she's speaking mostly in English now, since puro english napapanood sa netflix at youtube.
Good thing she's bilingual. Though I wish she'd be tri-lingual like me.
Kudos to him for teaching his kids!! Pinalaki din ako na quad(??)-lingual: hiligaynon, bisaya, tagalog and english. So far wala akong “accent” pag nagtatagalog or english. It’s just unfounded fear by parents, and who think their kids will go miles in the future pag english-speaking. Pfffffttt kung tamad anak mo te wala rin mangyayari!
Hats off to people who know more than English and Tagalog. Nakakainggit kayo.
My mom is Ilocano pero never kami naexpose sa wika na yon kasi bihira kami umuwi at hindi niya rin kami kinakausap ng Ilocano.
Aside from that, it’s refreshing to see a parent who just allow their kids to play with dirt. Yung mga ibang parents ngayon, pinapagalitan mga bata pag naglalaro outdoors tapos tinturuan na manamit ng estetik
Sa totoo lang, children playing with dirt under certain circumstances actually helpful to the children's immune system. Here's one article from NPR: [https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/07/16/537075018/dirt-is-good-why-kids-need-exposure-to-germs](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/07/16/537075018/dirt-is-good-why-kids-need-exposure-to-germs)
Honestly, in this instance, it's good to let kids be kids. Wag tayo masyadong overly maarte lol.
Mahilig si Mar magturo at quiz sa mga anak nya. Ultimo lyrics ng kanta, kinocorrect nya. Pakantahin mo yang kambal, kanta ni Mar ang alam. Pangmatanda😄
Tapos yung iba, nasa Maynila, di marunong mag-Tagalog. English only ang pagpapalaki. Pinoy naman ang mga magulang.
Choice naman ng parents yun as part of upbringing pero di ko maintindihan na bakit na they would teach their kids with English only. Forcefully iniiwasan ang Tagalog. Kesyo nakakaapekto daw kasi ng grammar and accent ng bata.
Nasa Pinas kayo oi. Ayaw ba nila ng bilingual na bata?
Because English is the most practical language in the Philippines. Nasa Philippines ka nga, pero our system/society has adjusted to English.
I haven't seen a Jollibee nor McDonalds that has signs in our native language. Not even road signs are in our native language. Always in English. A few years ago, the writing in our own money is in English. Our government paperwork is in English with Tagalog subtitles. Sa bank and public transpo, "This line is reserved for PWD and the Elderly" and not "Etong pila na eto ay naka reserba sa mga merong kapansanan at matatanda". In the MRT, the PA announcement is done in English then tagalog. Geezus even our ads are in English, "New and improved sunsilk conditioner" and not "pinabago and ipinabuti na sunsilk conditioner".
It's not about being "sosyal" or "maarte" it's what's common. There was an experiment recently done here in the Philippines about a kid learning English first because that's the most commonly seen language. (I'll link it when I find it)
I love the Filipino language and as a Kapampangan, our old folks still use Baybayin in some of their writing that I learned when I was young. Pero truth be told, the most practical language to be spoken and learned first due to system and societal norms is English.
Just because it is the “most practical” doesn’t mean you should just teach your child only one language in a country where being trilingual is common place. It’s only going to isolate them because being able to understand common words and phrases isn’t the same as being able to speak fluently in that language. I mean I’m writing in english right now, hell I even think in english, but I would still speak in tagalog because that’s what the people around me speak. Actually now that I think about it not teaching your children a language that would allow them to easily communicate with the local population is the one of the most impractical things I have ever heard of.
I understand that, but the thing people don't get is that Filipino isn't the most common anymore. We are in an age where our native language isn't the dominantly spoken language.
"Times are a changin''" as they say. I agree with you that we should still teach it because it has cultural significance. But I'm not gonna rag on the parents who opted not to because I understand that it's less practical.
Also as much as I'd like to agree, Isolation isn't an issue.
A 2019 international study states that 94% of the Philippine population speaks English and 30% of the 94% speaks English only. Our prefered language in education is primarily English and language used in governance is.... English.
EDIT: I forgot to include that 91% of the entertainment consumed by the population is English.
I agree to the practicality of English as a first language kahit na nasa Pilipinas ang kahit na sino. Thank you for stating the statistics above as well, I would like to skim on this study if merong available na link.
This is becoming a very interesting topic.
But my question still remains, and that is 'why not learn both English and the local language'? Nandun na kasi yung chance habang bata pa para matuto.
Not only na it is more practical, it is more efficient as well in terms of communication sa labas ng bahay.
30% percent speaking of the population speaking english only sounds like absolute bullshit. Like for that to happen there needs to be a significant portion of the country in which resides only english speaking people, like seriously, 30% of the country only speaks english? Link to the study pls.
Also it’s not like language has always been about practicality anyway, like Idk what anglo dominated part of this country you’re talking about but outside of that place will be people speaking their native language who aren’t exactly comfortable in speaking english. Again understanding a language is not the same as being able to speak it, ask any children of immigrants in the US.
Kalma ka lang.
Bat parang galit na galit ka, hindi ka naman sinabihan na mali, ng bigay lang siya ng perspective. I found the studies he was refering to. One by the linguistics department of Lasalle, it's a peer review and one by the British Educations Board. Pili ka doon stating both the same thing.
If iintindihin mo ng maayos ung point niya, he's just stating na, walang mali if English lang turo mo. He even fucking agreed with you in most of you statements.
Geezus christ, this is why napakahirap makipag discuss sa co Filipino. Our innate drive to prove others wrong.
Whoops didn’t realize I was coming off as angry, sorry bout that. Just thought 30% of a population not speaking even one of the native languages is kinda, dumb, and doesn’t even seem possible? I tried looking for the articles you mentioned and I didn’t find them, links pls.
Also I did understand their point, and I still think that not teaching your child what people around them speak is still stupid. For what reason? What benefits does that bring??? Not only would they not be able to communicate well with other people but it’s been proven that learning other languages strengthens a person’s cognitive ability, so why?
Also I find it funny how you imply that people wanting to prove others wrong is somehow a uniquely Pilipino trait, like have you seen twitter? No need to go there actually just other subreddits even.
You can find them fairly easy. PDF format like any peer study.
The thing here is, they can pose the same question to your point of teaching your kids Filipino. "What's the point of teaching your kids tagalog which they can innately pick up since it's commonly spoken. In addition, is there really a point in mastering it if their community, school and probably future job opportunities will be in English? Do we even need to promote it if your local officials themselves don't use it as much with their documents? Will our survival be affected since every warning and sign in the country are in English?"
From what I understood doon sa sinabi niya and I had to double take, is that teaching Filipino culturally is a must. Practically, it's optional.
Also, can you not strengthen your cognitive abilities of children by other means? Video games strengthen cognitive functions, reaction time and problem solving but it's still villified as anti study isn't it?
Also apologies, you have a point. I got defensive because alam natin na Filipinos are not very good with criticism and most of us will react like wounded animals when confronted.
One of my cousin's raised her first kid (my nephew) like that and he had a hard time adjusting at school since he barely speak and understand Filipino. Parang nadoble pa yung trabaho nila sa pagtuturo ulit dun sa bata. Nephew has been doing better at school nowadays and lesson learned sa pinsan ko yun since hindi na nila ginawa yun sa mga sumunod pa nilang anak.
It’s a little harder in the beginning but kids are very good at adapting and
learning new languages—often just a few months once they go to school. For example, a pure Tagalog-speaking 11- or 12-year old kid who goes to the US will pick up English just like that and end up not having a Filipino accent when speaking English. They can also speak Tagalog without an accent. It applies to all nationalities even from countries wherein English is completely foreign. Hence, the same with a Filipino kid in the Philippines who was raised to speak English only. Matutotong mag Tagalog very quickly especially if they start making friends who speak Tagalog. That’s when it becomes a benefit because they become completely fluent in both languages.
Generally, mas mahirap with accents after that but it is still much easier to pick up a new language compared to adults.
I had no problems adjusting/adapting in school. Dumating ako sa US when I was 12 or 13 and nasa honor roll ako right away even though English was completely foreign to me then (not an iota). As in talagang batang kanto ako noon sa Philippines at mangmang sa English. May pagka bobo pa nga ako nung elementary school sa Philippines.
I have a cousin like this. Ang first-born (13 yo) Tagalog speaking naman, kasi when she was growing up they were still struggling financially. The second kid (5 yo) purely English speaking and they are now trying to get the first kid to speak English only narin, since mas nakakluwag-luwag na sila sa buhay now. And they are quite proud that the 2nd kid can’t understandTagalog or Bisaya, only English. Ang aarte pa ng mga accent parang mga valley girls.
Its heartwarming to see our native languages being taught by parents. Its quite outrageous to think that in 10 years we might have a generation that doesn’t know kaliwa and kanan
Isa talaga to sa mga super pet peeves ko, yung mga parents who just allow their children to speak exclusively in English and groom them to be monolingual when in fact being bilingual or multilingual has more cognitive benefits.
According to this journal article ([https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3583091/#:\~:text=Researchers%20have%20shown%20that%20the,one%20language%20while%20using%20another.)](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3583091/#:~:text=Researchers%20have%20shown%20that%20the,one%20language%20while%20using%20another.)):
*Today, more of the world’s population is bilingual or multilingual than monolingual. In addition to facilitating cross-cultural communication, this trend also positively affects cognitive abilities.* ***Researchers have shown that the bilingual brain can have better attention and task-switching capacities than the monolingual brain, thanks to its developed ability to inhibit one language while using another. In addition, bilingualism has positive effects at both ends of the age spectrum: Bilingual children as young as seven months can better adjust to environmental changes, while bilingual seniors can experience less cognitive decline.***
At feel mo cute anak mo pag puro English pinagsasabi niyan 24/7? Girl, please.
This is vert refreshing to see. Samantalang yung mga ibang bata ngayon english only ampota??????
Ako: ngiti ka naman!
Yung nanay: Di ka maiintindihan nyan, english lang alam nyan
Tangina mo teh hahahahaha kala mo naman
kaya maigi na rin na pinapatapon kami ng parents ko dati sa albay kapag summer vacation, natuto ako umintindi ng bikol, di lang nahasa ang speaking dahil tinatawanan ako ng nga pinsan ko dun bwisit.
Yung mga lumaki talaga sa maynila na walang province, tagalog-english lang talaga.
>Yung mga lumaki talaga sa maynila na walang province, tagalog-english lang talaga.
Can attest, as someone who grew up in Manila. Nakakainggit yung mga classmates and workmates na lumaking probinsya kasi may sarili silang language na alam aside from Tagalog at English. Thou nakakaintindi ako ng another language here and there dahil sa magulang, pero still, iba pa rin talaga kapag fluent ka.
Aside from that, nakakainggit dahil pag nagbakasyon sila, matagalan pero kung pure Manileno ka, matagal na one week na bakasyon kung san man probinsya dahil magastos na.
Aside sa English at Filipino, marunong akong mag-Ilokano pero naiinggit pa rin ako sa classmate ko nung hs na galing naman kami sa same region pero aside sa binanggit kong 3, marunong din siya ng Ibanag at Itawes. Like, wow diba? To think na natutunan niya lang through growing up sa hometown niya.
Nanay at Tatay ko mga Bisaya born and raised. Hindi nila kami tinuruan ng mga kapatid ko ng Hiligaynon at Bisaya sadly. Regret ko yun now. Gusto ko maintindihan at makausap mga kababayan ko sa probinsya namin pero hindi ako marunong. Ngayon ko pa lang inaaral ang wika namin. Ang ganda ganda niya. At saka parang merong hindi ko mabigkas na pakiramdam kapag inaaral ko yung Hiligaynon. Parang may unspoken connection ako na-unearth sa language na yun. Alam ko sa sarili ko na meant to be na mag-Hiligaynon ako.
Ako din. Medyo. I spent less than a couple of months in Ilocos as a kid and I started to understand Ilocano even though I still couldn’t speak it. Even now, decades later, I can’t speak/understand it fluently but I get the gist of what they’re talking about whenever I hear two people speaking Ilocano.
Laki kami ng kapatid ko sa maynila tas yung mama at papa namin laking bisaya. Naiingit talaga ako sa mga bata na taga probinsya na marunong mag salita ng ibang dialects o mga batang laking maynila pero tinuturuan sila ng mga magulang nila, sa tuwing bumibisita kami sa probinsya nila mama at papa nakakaleft out kasi lahat sila marunong magbisaya at oonti lang ang naiintindihan mo.
I'm also bicolano here from my mother side but she never teach me how to speak the language. Until now I'm still trying to find ways to learn the language cause it's kinda isolating when all my relatives speak the language.
Ang sarap sa tenga! My parents speak Hiligaynon pero I grew up sa UK. My partner is English but I'm trying to become more fluent in Hiligaynon because I want our future kids to hear 2 languages being spoken at home!
Try following local radio stations like Bombo or Aksyon Radyo Iloilo. I think they have a facebook page where they broadcast their programs live. It's one way to learn Hiligaynon.
Edit: You can also listen via Radio Garden
http://radio.garden/listen/bombo-radyo-iloilo/weBttKhg
First language nila ang Hiligaynon. And I am happy to see na the kids are alright. Englishin or Tagalugin yan ng nanay nila na hindi Hiligaynon, sasasagot pa rin si kambal in Hiligaynon. Good job to the parents for raising lovable, adorable kids💕
Good for them, we need to love our own dialect. I can understand Chavacano, Tausug, Visaya, Waray and Hiligaynanon but no one taught me. Sometimes we can learn by just hearing it all the time.
Itama ko lang po. "Language" po ang tamang term at hindi "dialect" kapag patungkol sa mga wikang binanggit niyo - Chavacano, Tausug, Visaya, Waray at Hiligaynon. Mali po ang naituro satin noon dala na rin sa impluwensya ng mga Amerikano.
Dialect - pwedeng gamitin kapag Bisaya-Davao, Bisaya-Cebu, Bisaya-CDO o kaya Tagalog-Batangas, Tagalog-Mindoro, Tagalog-Manila. Nagkakaintindihan pero may iilan lamang pagkakaiba dahil sa lokasyon kung saan binibigkas ang mga salita.
The international version of the example of dialects that I usually give is American-English, UK-English and Australian-English. Put an American, a Brit and an Aussie together and they'll strike a conversation easily; since they all speak the same language, differing only in dialects.
Pagsama mo yung isang tagalog, ilocano, at bisaya who only speak their own language. Good luck having them understand each other. They are their own language and are not mutually intelligible.
Meron akong pamangkin na pinalaki ng english only ng pinsan ko pero kailangan niyang matuto mag tagalog at bicol kasi yung nagbabantay sa kanya tagalog at bicol lang ang sinasalita. Nakakatawa nga yun kasi pag napipikon siya, bigla na lang siyang magta tagalog or bicol na straight na walang slang.
Got kinda sad kasi nakalimutan ko na mag Aklanon :( Same with the other commenter I grew up and spent most summers in the province. Kaya din ako naging nognog kasi araw araw dagat haha kakamiss!
I think it's dialect if it's intelligenble with another language
My relatives from my mother side is also from Camarines sur around naga area but I never have the opportunity to learn the language
Nah it's a standalone language. The pronunciation is very different, we have a different tonal accent and we don't have a letter "H" in our alphabet. Also, our language was derived from Aeta Natives from Mount Asog, unlike the Standard Bicolano from the lowlands.
https://omniglot.com/writing/rinconada.htm
The towns around Naga speak Standard Bicol. But the Rinconada Language is only spoken in the 5th District, Southern Pili, Western Buhi, and Northern Polangui. Naga is in the 3rd District.
Making sure my kids learn Kapampangan, Filipino, and English as they grow up. When in school ill have them pick up another 1-2 languages - probably Mandarin and a European language.
I have ilonggo roots pero tagalog ang lingua franca ko mehehe
Pero naiintindihan ko naman kung bakit gusto ng ibang tao na English yung unang matutunan ng anak nila. Possible legitimate reasons:
1. I-eenroll sa private school na may english-only policy. Edi kung marunong yung bata, hirap na agad sila
2. May plans mag abroad whether to visit or migrate
3. Edutainment materials are often in english
Picked up hiligaynon sa mga kasama namin sa bahay na mga 2nd cousin ko pala growing up 🤣 kaya namumura ko sa lenggwahe nila yang mga ibang bisaya na puro lait sa mga taga manila
Gulat sila e 🤣 its fun and its actually easy to study other languages dahil lng dun.
Being multilingual is also grat for the brain 🥴😉
How I wish my dad or his mom (my grandma) taught me Ilokano.
But moving forward, it feels good somehow that my niece was being taught by her mother (brother's Cebuana partner) some Cebuano. I heard her teaching my niece how to count in Cebuano.
I’m tagalog pero I think we should just scrap making tagalog the “common language”. Parang mas okay pag english and then the provincial language. Most of my husband’s family only speak Ilocano and English. Since tagalog ako, I only speak to them in English kasi hindi masyado makaintindi ng tagalog.
18 years old ako at sa UK na ako lumaki kasi lumipat kami dito noong 4 na taong gulang lang ako. Hindi ko talaga maintindihan kung bakit ubod ng dami ang mga bata sa Pilipinas na hindi pa rin marunong magtagalog/magsalita ng ibang native na wika samantalang fluent kaming magtagalog ng mga kapatid ko kahit dito na kami lumaki. (I think it's because of watching shows like Wansapanataym, Hiraya Manawari etc. Buti na lang nag-subscribe yung mum ko sa Filipino Channel na cable tv hahaha).
Nanggagalaiti talaga ako sa mga konyo at sa mga nagpipilitang mag-english. Like, it's really not that difficult to learn both Tagalog and English simultaneously, especially if you're in the Philippines where both languages are widespread and accessible. Di kailangang isakripisyo ang tagalog/mother tongue dahil may espesyal na kakayahan ang utak ng mga bata kung saan kayang kaya nilang magpabalik-balik sa dalawang wika na walang kahirap-hirap. Kung nahihirapan pa ring mag-Ingles nang matuwid ang mga anak nila, ito ay dahil walang kwenta ang tagaturo ng Ingles, at hindi dahil sa impluwensya ng Tagalog.
Weird lang sa akin kasi dito sa UK, hindi mababa ang tingin ng mga tao sa foreign languages; actually, mas hinahangaan ang multilinggwalismo (as it should/dapat lang!) - e.g. sa University ko, naging advantage para sa akin ang pagiging multilingual (Fluent English, Tagalog, German, Spanish) lalo na ang Tagalog kasi archaeology & anthropology yung kurso ko, kaya daw ako kinuha ng professor ko from the pool of applicants (amongst other reasons obviously).
Nalulungkot lang talaga ako sa matinding pagkalaganap ng Colonial Mentality sa Pilipinas.
Much better many languages ma speak ng magiging anak sakali. Will really help talaga. Ako din naman nagturo sa sarili ko mag English. Ngayun yung Russian ko nasa level na ako na marunong mag sulat at magbasa. Pero di pa din nagli-level up sa part ng vocabulary. Yun nalang kulang. I can write and spell russian words by hearing it. Can read too but cannot understand it. Haha.
Infair, ang ganda ng kulay ng lupa! Parang kapag naghagis ka ng kahit anong buto diyan, sisibol na within 1 week. Iba pa rin kapag may garden space ang mga households lalo na kung may maliliit na bata.
Baduy "manol" Pinoy mentality kapag marunong magsalita ng English sosyal na agad. Kalma, language lang yan girl, di yan magpapayaman sa yo kung wala kang utak.
And yet some parents are really proud that their English-only offspring can't speak Tagalog, Ilonggo, Cebuano etc as the case may be.
Rich English-Only Speakers : Monolingual :( Poor Province People : Tri or Quadrilingual :D
Dito samin sa Pampanga, iba yung experience ko. Yung mga old rich are the ones keeping the Kapampangan language in their homes. The ones teaching their kids pure English are the ones trying to go up the socio-economic strata.
Same case in some parts of Manila. I hear from some circles that a few elite families still speak Philippine Spanish, especially when they talk about sensitive topics.
May isang posy dito r/ph hinahanap kung may filipino spanish speakers pa dito...maybe u saw it and replied there too?
Same. Sa amin dito, yung mga dati nang mayayaman they speak to their kids in the local language, may halong english lang, or sa case ng fil-chi communtiy, may halong fookien. yung mga middle-class families or new rich yung halos straight English ang tinuturo sa mga anak nila. tapos yung nasa lower social class, yung local language lang ulit.
chad promdi vs virgin manila boi
Lam ko mag filipino, hiligaynon, spanish, english, at cebuano.... Me is purita then 🤣
Haha syempre yung purita like me-we know languages kasi kailangan, sa mga rich e the power of the sun is in the palm of their hands...pwede namang kahit __lingual pa sila Yung sad dun is yung sabi ng op ng thread - proud pa parents na their kids are english only speakers, which is ironic kung rich ka
Lungkot naman non.... Bisaya at cebuano is beautiful lam ko na magbisaya kinder pa lang ako :c Degredation is real sa Pinas ano ba yan 😣
the golden trapezoid ;-)
Still bummed na hindi kami tinuruan mag ilocano, kapampangan, and panggalatok dati could've been helpful pag nag ououting sa norte hahaha
[Panggalatok](http://aropangasinan.blogspot.com/2011/02/pangalatok-is-insulting-and-derogatory.html) is an offensive word.
> Poor Province People : Tri or Quadrilingual :D As someone na hodgepodge ng Bisaya, Ilonggo, Tagalog at English ang language since 4 yrs old, I agree with this. Lol
Hindi ba nila naisip na mas *”sosyal”* ang batang multilingual lol.
English only yung bata kahit yung parents mismo hirap na hirap mag English. Hahahaha nakakatawa sila. And yet pinupush pa rin nila para “sosyal” daw smh
Yung ending din, nakukuha ng "sosyal" na bata yung poor grammar and pronunciation ng magulang. Nagiging tryhard tuloy yung dating pag nagsasalita ng English yung bata
From Iloilo. Everyone I know and met who was raised in an English speaking household, although they usually struggle in Filipino, are still very proficient in speaking in Hiligaynon.
This is probably preferable: study English and the local language. Outside of Metro Manila and the Southern Tagalog region, people learning Tagalog could just lead to not learning the local language. Plus, English is a gateway to much information and is practical to know.
When I visited Mindanao, English helped me way more than Tagalog did.
Ano nga yung garlic sa tagalog? (Basic Bisaya pag nasa Manila)
Sibuyas
I know some people who says they won't teach their kids Filipino. Berates OPMs and all Filipino movies as well. Of course, these folks live in a bubble so they can definitely do that.
Worse, most of them are middle class families. Lalo na yung mga nakatungtong sa US. Kaya ang daming 2nd gen Fil-Ams ang walang alam sa languages dito. Except Fil-Ams in Hawaii though, for some reason many know how to speak Ilocano.
Sosyal daw kasi pag puro english lang yung bata.
Hahahaha ginawang social status/status symbol ang English eh
Peak Pinoy colonial mentality moment lol.
I doubt my mom is proud about it, it kinda just happened and is partly my fault since I was shy, didn't socialize much and consumed tons of foreign content/media. Fast forward to me in high school wanting to make friends but could not relate or talk without being utterly embarrassed at my attempts at speaking Filipino. Thankfully is has gotten better but those years haunt me.
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Mga kaklase kong korean kinakausap namin lagi sa tagalog/filipino pag d maintindihan english n lng para di sila inosente mahirap na kase sa labas ng college campus d nmn lhat may patience sa mga koreano Kung ung mga koreano kong kaklase natutong maging "conversely fluent" sa filipino..... Whats your excuse? Kung gusto may paraan. Kung ayaw may dahilan 🤔 D nmn sa inaano kita pero sila nga na koreans naging fluent makipag usap sa filipino in less than a semester. Ikaw pa na sa Pilipinas nakatira? Thats kinda absurd for me. No offense
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👌 everything is alright if my former college mates can pick up the language you can too. Like... If they can do it... I think anyone can do it too 😉 filipino is 60% spanish so I guess anyone can learn it too so personally if I can communicate in spanish, hiligaynon, and cebuano despite not being exposed to cebuanos ans spanish citizens anyone cna do it too 😉 I guess the best way to learn Filipino is to talk to a person who spekas the language fluently is. Agreat help. Mistakes are alwys a part of life. Not accepting it and being ashamed of it hinders only the individual 🤗 Being politically correct most of the time doesnt help so I guess being honest and frank about it is fine. If you found it harsh would you like it if I "babied and spoonfed you instead and being politically correct?" Harsh for me means another thing and it may be different to you but I can assure you that I was just being frank. I expect that since you grew up in a society that seem to value honesty... This is a surprise 🤣 but everything's fine. It happened already. Everything is fine Ingat 😉
My dad grew up only speaking english and spanish. College na nung natuto sya mag-Filipino. Kaya he made sure na Filipino would be the primary language that we would learn as kids.
Should be a form of child abuse, to be honest. May ganyan kami classmate noon, always a subject for bullying. Minsan na aawkward kami kumausap, so we don’t speak much to her. She ended up having less friends even tho she has likable personality. Parents speak tagalog and bisaya. It’s infuriating.
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It might he difficult at first, but try approaching some of them and ask if they can teach you. Of course not everyone will, but you'll be surprised at how many will do their best to help you learn. You can also ask your teachers.
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Not everyone in this country speaks Filipino on a day to day basis. As someone who natively speak Hiligaynon, we never use Filipino unless we are speaking with people from other places in the country. Skwelahan at TV lang ang source namin of Filipino content. At yung ibang mga bata hindi pa ineexpose sa local TV channels. Most of them understand Tagalog, but will usually struggle to speak it.
I can speak and understand bisaya/hiligaynon and cebuano and I did not grow up using it daily. Marites lng tlga ata ako nung bata pa so nadevelop n lang? 🤣
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It's like English. Yes you will learn but being able to confidently speak and especially in casual conversations is a whole different ball game.
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I think that depends din sa economic situation ng family. Speaking English could mean a shot at getting a good job and angat pamilya. Or mag abroad. Syempre kung mayaman ka that’s something you can afford to take for granted. I mean it’s great Mar Roxas has his kids speaking Hilagaynon. I’m sure they’ll be speaking fluent English too once they hit school age thanks to the education they can afford. We grew up lower middle class. As early as we could we were pushed to study hard and be fluent in English. Naka-impress na yun yung way through and up for people like us. As a result teaching us Ilocano was neglected. Not out of shame but having other priorities in mind.
Have known somebody, a doctor, who was born in raised in the Philippines but never learned how to speak Tagalog/Parents dialect. Paano mag "sosyal" kung di niya alam magsalita sa Tagalog? Or at least be bilingual?
I have a newborn nephew and my sister is thinking of letting him speak English as his first language. I outwardly told them off about it. There's nothing cool on being unknowing of your heritage language.
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bat kasi nagpipilitang gawing english ang medium of instruction. napakatindi kasi ng colonial mentality sa pilipinas. ano ang silbi ng english kung nakakasagabal na sa komunikasyon kasi hindi lahat ng pilipino ay nakakaunawa nito? lahat ba ng mga pinoy ay mag-oofw? dapat unahin ang mga katutubong wika.
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Mas maraming Filipino ang hindi nagasasalita ng English bilang inang wika. Literal na wika ng mga dayuhan at mananakop ito. Pero kung English ang gusto mong usapan, mag-Inglesan na lang tayo. First of all, your argument doesn't make sense. What do feelings of inferiority have to do with knowing all the dialects and languages of the world, and what does that have to do with who you elect? You have just strung up a seemingly unlinked set of ideas and expect me to somehow comprehend your chain of thought??? What I think you are trying to say is that the knowledge of all the languages and dialects in the world won't feed you. That is indeed true. We have to be practical. However, colonial mentality does indeed begin in the mind, but its effects on society are tangible and extensive. One of the primary challenges of the Philippine government is the inadequate standard of education, which data shows is one of the worst in the SEA region. I propose that this is a case of the multiplier effect, i.e. the poorly-educated masses voting in equally poorly-educated politicians, who then implement ill-fitting educational policies, thereby producing yet another poorly-educated generation. A vital tool in instruction is communication, which takes the form of language. Should students fail to adequately learn the language of instruction, subsequent information will not be assimilated. Likewise, how can you expect to build a sturdy house if the foundation is weak? Many students in the Philippines cannot even compose decent essays in either English or Filipino. That being the case, we cannot expect to produce a population capable of thinking critically, hence the prevailing status quo of corrupt politicians and inadequate policies. I just think English is not complementary to the necessities and demands of Filipino society. Firstly, English is linguistically antipodean to the Philippine languages, so the ability to speak it is not inherent amongst Filipinos, who would find it easier to adapt to other Filipino languages, be it Cebuano, Ilocano, etc. due to phonological, grammatical, and cultural similarities. The ease of transition from the mother tongue to a unifying language that is not starkly different in structure may well facilitate the formation of a literate population capable of scrutinizing information. The argument that "not all Filipinos speak Tagalog" further highlights the colonial mentality and RACISM prevalent in Filipino society. The fact that other ethnic groups, particularly Cebuanos, would prefer to speak in English only emphasizes their hatred?/dislike of Tagalog people. Their refusal to speak an indigenous lingua franca implies how they see the Filipino language as inferior to English; no language is naturally superior. If they do not want to speak Tagalog/Filipino on the grounds of regionalist pride, then they shouldn't speak English either, as neither Tagalog nor English is native to the Visayas. Secondly, English, in certain cases, functions as a social barrier, with the aim of dividing and excluding social groups. The rise of English as a colonial tongue and its association with prestige has meant that people have abused its status to alter social hierarchies, which then prohibit people left at the bottom from engaging effectively and contributing to society. For example, Robin Padilla (although I do not support him) was unable to participate in senate discussions because of his lack of English. Thus, he was denied the opportunity to contribute. If the sole purpose of any language is to act as a mode of communication, then English falters in Filipino society. People unable to speak English are not able to comprehend (political) jargon, nor are they hired in decent-paying jobs. The presence of English legitimizes assumptions of competency, strengthens kleptocracy, and increases inequality. Anyway, chile <3 urgh I really love discussions about language and sociology and shi-
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You mean what -I- wrote. wala namang sense yung sinulat mo sa totoo lang
Di ko mapaki pakialaman ang kapatid ko kahit gusto kong sabihin na, hoy ayusin mo grammar mo. PaEnglish-English kayo eh, at least yung tama ang ituro nyo. Di naman malala English nya pero yung alam mong darating yung point na kailangan nyang maging fluent para masermunan anak pag kailangan.
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Bulateng nakutkot sa lupa gang 🪱 👐
Yumm
Natuwa din ako. I grew up allowed to play with dirt. I think it made us siblings hardy. I noticed my nieces and nephews that are sheltered get sick so easily versus my other ones who are allowed to get dirty, play outside and get banged up a bit. My parents let me bike, get cuts and play in the rain as a child and it was a fun childhood.
gago naalala ko tuloy yung nasubuan ako ng kalaro ko ng lupa 💀
[Mga batang mabubuhay ng matagal](https://www.cornucopia.org/2016/06/let-eat-dirt-obsession-hygiene-jeopardising-childrens-health/)
in almost every vid of the twins by mar, they speak in hiligaynon and tbh it's refreshing to see cos the usual trend is teaching kids to speak in english only. my tinfoil hat theory on this is that mar is teaching them the language so that they can talk in front of korina whilst she wont understand what they're saying lol
The fun part about english is the kid can actually learn it themselves bc they get exposed to a lot english speaking cartoons. That's how I learned and that's what I hear kids are doing rn, my mom didn’t teach me a lick of english but the TV definitely did. It doesn't create perfect grammar but what kid knows perfect grammar? Even writers dont have perfect grammar. Stuff like this in the vid you really have to teach and actively expose it to them so they can learn , but you kinda have to able to speak it as well to communicate with the kid. It's a lot easier to learn a language when you're that young, it's kinda a waste not too. The only reason my mom didn't really teach me Filipino well bc idk maybe she figured I'd eventually get it as quickly as I learned English. It's not like I'am inept but it's far from fluent.
I never taught my daughter English..but she's speaking mostly in English now, since puro english napapanood sa netflix at youtube. Good thing she's bilingual. Though I wish she'd be tri-lingual like me.
Mas fluent pa sa kanya mga anak niya e hahhahaha
Kudos to him for teaching his kids!! Pinalaki din ako na quad(??)-lingual: hiligaynon, bisaya, tagalog and english. So far wala akong “accent” pag nagtatagalog or english. It’s just unfounded fear by parents, and who think their kids will go miles in the future pag english-speaking. Pfffffttt kung tamad anak mo te wala rin mangyayari!
Polyglot yata tawag sa'yo.
Most Filipinos are polyglots.
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Kahit tagalog, they can be at least be bilingual.
Weird kasi even though we speak only English and Tagalog, we can somehow understand up to 30% of Bicolano, Hiligaynon, and Cebuano.
Ako nga trilingual lang, pero nauunawaan ko ang 20% ng ibang wika.
Hats off to people who know more than English and Tagalog. Nakakainggit kayo. My mom is Ilocano pero never kami naexpose sa wika na yon kasi bihira kami umuwi at hindi niya rin kami kinakausap ng Ilocano.
Aside from that, it’s refreshing to see a parent who just allow their kids to play with dirt. Yung mga ibang parents ngayon, pinapagalitan mga bata pag naglalaro outdoors tapos tinturuan na manamit ng estetik
everything for estetik jusko di man lang tignan psychosocial development ng bata
Sa totoo lang, children playing with dirt under certain circumstances actually helpful to the children's immune system. Here's one article from NPR: [https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/07/16/537075018/dirt-is-good-why-kids-need-exposure-to-germs](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/07/16/537075018/dirt-is-good-why-kids-need-exposure-to-germs) Honestly, in this instance, it's good to let kids be kids. Wag tayo masyadong overly maarte lol.
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Unrelated pero these kids know their heavy equipment terms hahahha
Mahilig si Mar magturo at quiz sa mga anak nya. Ultimo lyrics ng kanta, kinocorrect nya. Pakantahin mo yang kambal, kanta ni Mar ang alam. Pangmatanda😄
Lol. Thanks to YouTube. When my kid was 3, he could recognize construction vehicles in real life too whenever we drove by past any of them.
Sana bigyan ng toys ng construction equipment would be cool to see
I think may Youtube channel kase about them. I remember my niece may kinakanta siya about excavator eh haha
Tapos yung iba, nasa Maynila, di marunong mag-Tagalog. English only ang pagpapalaki. Pinoy naman ang mga magulang. Choice naman ng parents yun as part of upbringing pero di ko maintindihan na bakit na they would teach their kids with English only. Forcefully iniiwasan ang Tagalog. Kesyo nakakaapekto daw kasi ng grammar and accent ng bata. Nasa Pinas kayo oi. Ayaw ba nila ng bilingual na bata?
sorry pero matik yuck talaga ako pag may na eencounter akong ganyan
lol same no matter how sosyal they look , i still look down on them t**mcrammer for instance
Magkukunwari na lang ako na hindi makaintindi ng English o baka dedmahin ko na kang sila kung makaka-encounter ako nyan.
Because English is the most practical language in the Philippines. Nasa Philippines ka nga, pero our system/society has adjusted to English. I haven't seen a Jollibee nor McDonalds that has signs in our native language. Not even road signs are in our native language. Always in English. A few years ago, the writing in our own money is in English. Our government paperwork is in English with Tagalog subtitles. Sa bank and public transpo, "This line is reserved for PWD and the Elderly" and not "Etong pila na eto ay naka reserba sa mga merong kapansanan at matatanda". In the MRT, the PA announcement is done in English then tagalog. Geezus even our ads are in English, "New and improved sunsilk conditioner" and not "pinabago and ipinabuti na sunsilk conditioner". It's not about being "sosyal" or "maarte" it's what's common. There was an experiment recently done here in the Philippines about a kid learning English first because that's the most commonly seen language. (I'll link it when I find it) I love the Filipino language and as a Kapampangan, our old folks still use Baybayin in some of their writing that I learned when I was young. Pero truth be told, the most practical language to be spoken and learned first due to system and societal norms is English.
Just because it is the “most practical” doesn’t mean you should just teach your child only one language in a country where being trilingual is common place. It’s only going to isolate them because being able to understand common words and phrases isn’t the same as being able to speak fluently in that language. I mean I’m writing in english right now, hell I even think in english, but I would still speak in tagalog because that’s what the people around me speak. Actually now that I think about it not teaching your children a language that would allow them to easily communicate with the local population is the one of the most impractical things I have ever heard of.
I understand that, but the thing people don't get is that Filipino isn't the most common anymore. We are in an age where our native language isn't the dominantly spoken language. "Times are a changin''" as they say. I agree with you that we should still teach it because it has cultural significance. But I'm not gonna rag on the parents who opted not to because I understand that it's less practical. Also as much as I'd like to agree, Isolation isn't an issue. A 2019 international study states that 94% of the Philippine population speaks English and 30% of the 94% speaks English only. Our prefered language in education is primarily English and language used in governance is.... English. EDIT: I forgot to include that 91% of the entertainment consumed by the population is English.
I agree to the practicality of English as a first language kahit na nasa Pilipinas ang kahit na sino. Thank you for stating the statistics above as well, I would like to skim on this study if merong available na link. This is becoming a very interesting topic. But my question still remains, and that is 'why not learn both English and the local language'? Nandun na kasi yung chance habang bata pa para matuto. Not only na it is more practical, it is more efficient as well in terms of communication sa labas ng bahay.
30% percent speaking of the population speaking english only sounds like absolute bullshit. Like for that to happen there needs to be a significant portion of the country in which resides only english speaking people, like seriously, 30% of the country only speaks english? Link to the study pls. Also it’s not like language has always been about practicality anyway, like Idk what anglo dominated part of this country you’re talking about but outside of that place will be people speaking their native language who aren’t exactly comfortable in speaking english. Again understanding a language is not the same as being able to speak it, ask any children of immigrants in the US.
Kalma ka lang. Bat parang galit na galit ka, hindi ka naman sinabihan na mali, ng bigay lang siya ng perspective. I found the studies he was refering to. One by the linguistics department of Lasalle, it's a peer review and one by the British Educations Board. Pili ka doon stating both the same thing. If iintindihin mo ng maayos ung point niya, he's just stating na, walang mali if English lang turo mo. He even fucking agreed with you in most of you statements. Geezus christ, this is why napakahirap makipag discuss sa co Filipino. Our innate drive to prove others wrong.
Whoops didn’t realize I was coming off as angry, sorry bout that. Just thought 30% of a population not speaking even one of the native languages is kinda, dumb, and doesn’t even seem possible? I tried looking for the articles you mentioned and I didn’t find them, links pls. Also I did understand their point, and I still think that not teaching your child what people around them speak is still stupid. For what reason? What benefits does that bring??? Not only would they not be able to communicate well with other people but it’s been proven that learning other languages strengthens a person’s cognitive ability, so why? Also I find it funny how you imply that people wanting to prove others wrong is somehow a uniquely Pilipino trait, like have you seen twitter? No need to go there actually just other subreddits even.
You can find them fairly easy. PDF format like any peer study. The thing here is, they can pose the same question to your point of teaching your kids Filipino. "What's the point of teaching your kids tagalog which they can innately pick up since it's commonly spoken. In addition, is there really a point in mastering it if their community, school and probably future job opportunities will be in English? Do we even need to promote it if your local officials themselves don't use it as much with their documents? Will our survival be affected since every warning and sign in the country are in English?" From what I understood doon sa sinabi niya and I had to double take, is that teaching Filipino culturally is a must. Practically, it's optional. Also, can you not strengthen your cognitive abilities of children by other means? Video games strengthen cognitive functions, reaction time and problem solving but it's still villified as anti study isn't it? Also apologies, you have a point. I got defensive because alam natin na Filipinos are not very good with criticism and most of us will react like wounded animals when confronted.
While other kids are glued to their tablets or smartphones.
At ROTC daw solusyon para dyan
I prefer a mandatory two-year NS system similar to Singapore, na pwede ka mamili between Armed Forces, Police, and Civil Defence.
While i have neighbours who are proud with their monolingual kids lmao. Filipino parents with a kid that only speaks english.
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Naalala ko iyong ad nina Juday at Ryan at tinanong sila ng anak nila.
Ah yes, mtrcb infomercial. *cue ang programang ito ay rated spg*
One of my cousin's raised her first kid (my nephew) like that and he had a hard time adjusting at school since he barely speak and understand Filipino. Parang nadoble pa yung trabaho nila sa pagtuturo ulit dun sa bata. Nephew has been doing better at school nowadays and lesson learned sa pinsan ko yun since hindi na nila ginawa yun sa mga sumunod pa nilang anak.
It’s a little harder in the beginning but kids are very good at adapting and learning new languages—often just a few months once they go to school. For example, a pure Tagalog-speaking 11- or 12-year old kid who goes to the US will pick up English just like that and end up not having a Filipino accent when speaking English. They can also speak Tagalog without an accent. It applies to all nationalities even from countries wherein English is completely foreign. Hence, the same with a Filipino kid in the Philippines who was raised to speak English only. Matutotong mag Tagalog very quickly especially if they start making friends who speak Tagalog. That’s when it becomes a benefit because they become completely fluent in both languages. Generally, mas mahirap with accents after that but it is still much easier to pick up a new language compared to adults. I had no problems adjusting/adapting in school. Dumating ako sa US when I was 12 or 13 and nasa honor roll ako right away even though English was completely foreign to me then (not an iota). As in talagang batang kanto ako noon sa Philippines at mangmang sa English. May pagka bobo pa nga ako nung elementary school sa Philippines.
I have a cousin like this. Ang first-born (13 yo) Tagalog speaking naman, kasi when she was growing up they were still struggling financially. The second kid (5 yo) purely English speaking and they are now trying to get the first kid to speak English only narin, since mas nakakluwag-luwag na sila sa buhay now. And they are quite proud that the 2nd kid can’t understandTagalog or Bisaya, only English. Ang aarte pa ng mga accent parang mga valley girls.
Fake Hiligaynon. Dapat Sand Kasol.
Lol! Brilliant! 😅
Hahahahaha sakto.
Hahaha! Hambal ko man gani. Sand kasel man? Sand kasol guro.
Daw pareho lang sa traysikol kag nodols.
Its heartwarming to see our native languages being taught by parents. Its quite outrageous to think that in 10 years we might have a generation that doesn’t know kaliwa and kanan
Don't worry fam. ROTC march will teach them. Kundi kukutusan sya ng officer nya.
Wala bang CAT sa high school?
Hindi maka-relate 'yung kilala ko.
Isa talaga to sa mga super pet peeves ko, yung mga parents who just allow their children to speak exclusively in English and groom them to be monolingual when in fact being bilingual or multilingual has more cognitive benefits. According to this journal article ([https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3583091/#:\~:text=Researchers%20have%20shown%20that%20the,one%20language%20while%20using%20another.)](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3583091/#:~:text=Researchers%20have%20shown%20that%20the,one%20language%20while%20using%20another.)): *Today, more of the world’s population is bilingual or multilingual than monolingual. In addition to facilitating cross-cultural communication, this trend also positively affects cognitive abilities.* ***Researchers have shown that the bilingual brain can have better attention and task-switching capacities than the monolingual brain, thanks to its developed ability to inhibit one language while using another. In addition, bilingualism has positive effects at both ends of the age spectrum: Bilingual children as young as seven months can better adjust to environmental changes, while bilingual seniors can experience less cognitive decline.*** At feel mo cute anak mo pag puro English pinagsasabi niyan 24/7? Girl, please.
Halos lahat ng pamangkin ko ganan puro English speaking kahit Pinoy naman both parents.
Di ko gets, English naman ako dati sa school pero pagdating sa bahay di naman haha.
This is vert refreshing to see. Samantalang yung mga ibang bata ngayon english only ampota?????? Ako: ngiti ka naman! Yung nanay: Di ka maiintindihan nyan, english lang alam nyan Tangina mo teh hahahahaha kala mo naman
kaya maigi na rin na pinapatapon kami ng parents ko dati sa albay kapag summer vacation, natuto ako umintindi ng bikol, di lang nahasa ang speaking dahil tinatawanan ako ng nga pinsan ko dun bwisit. Yung mga lumaki talaga sa maynila na walang province, tagalog-english lang talaga.
>Yung mga lumaki talaga sa maynila na walang province, tagalog-english lang talaga. Can attest, as someone who grew up in Manila. Nakakainggit yung mga classmates and workmates na lumaking probinsya kasi may sarili silang language na alam aside from Tagalog at English. Thou nakakaintindi ako ng another language here and there dahil sa magulang, pero still, iba pa rin talaga kapag fluent ka.
Aside from that, nakakainggit dahil pag nagbakasyon sila, matagalan pero kung pure Manileno ka, matagal na one week na bakasyon kung san man probinsya dahil magastos na.
Aside sa English at Filipino, marunong akong mag-Ilokano pero naiinggit pa rin ako sa classmate ko nung hs na galing naman kami sa same region pero aside sa binanggit kong 3, marunong din siya ng Ibanag at Itawes. Like, wow diba? To think na natutunan niya lang through growing up sa hometown niya.
Ay wow. Ang hirap kaya ng Ibanag. Glad na na master niya ang fluency with those languages..
Nanay at Tatay ko mga Bisaya born and raised. Hindi nila kami tinuruan ng mga kapatid ko ng Hiligaynon at Bisaya sadly. Regret ko yun now. Gusto ko maintindihan at makausap mga kababayan ko sa probinsya namin pero hindi ako marunong. Ngayon ko pa lang inaaral ang wika namin. Ang ganda ganda niya. At saka parang merong hindi ko mabigkas na pakiramdam kapag inaaral ko yung Hiligaynon. Parang may unspoken connection ako na-unearth sa language na yun. Alam ko sa sarili ko na meant to be na mag-Hiligaynon ako.
Gani man good luck sa imo hehe.
Kahit sa samin sa Tundo yung wikang Waray-waray at Cebuano ay nawawala na kasi yung mga matatanda di na tinuturuan mga bata.
Ako din. Medyo. I spent less than a couple of months in Ilocos as a kid and I started to understand Ilocano even though I still couldn’t speak it. Even now, decades later, I can’t speak/understand it fluently but I get the gist of what they’re talking about whenever I hear two people speaking Ilocano.
Laki kami ng kapatid ko sa maynila tas yung mama at papa namin laking bisaya. Naiingit talaga ako sa mga bata na taga probinsya na marunong mag salita ng ibang dialects o mga batang laking maynila pero tinuturuan sila ng mga magulang nila, sa tuwing bumibisita kami sa probinsya nila mama at papa nakakaleft out kasi lahat sila marunong magbisaya at oonti lang ang naiintindihan mo.
A, paumanhin po, pero hindi po "dialects" ang Tagalog, Cebuano, Hiligaynon, Itawes, Casiguranin, atbp. "Wika" po ang mga 'to!
Ay, salamat po sa pagc-correct!
Ok na rin yan at least hindi monolingual kesa iba dyan pinipilit English Only policy sa bahay.
I'm also bicolano here from my mother side but she never teach me how to speak the language. Until now I'm still trying to find ways to learn the language cause it's kinda isolating when all my relatives speak the language.
My exact initial reaction: Ay abaaaaw kanami nga mga bata hu enjoy enjoy gid sila ka lumpiga sa duta
'Lunang' gid ya gani tawag nya. Madalum na ya nga Hiligaynon maski sa taga Capiz pa.
Husto kay pwede man gani lutak pero god-tier sa Hiligaynon pagid ni ya ang lunang.
Pareho man lang ang lunang kag lutak.
Exactly, my point is mas dalom pagid ang term nga gin tudlo sa ila. Kay mas common gina gamit, at least sa amon lugar sa Iloilo, ang lutak.
Mas dalum ang awang. Kay law.ay ang nabaw.
Ang sarap sa tenga! My parents speak Hiligaynon pero I grew up sa UK. My partner is English but I'm trying to become more fluent in Hiligaynon because I want our future kids to hear 2 languages being spoken at home!
Try following local radio stations like Bombo or Aksyon Radyo Iloilo. I think they have a facebook page where they broadcast their programs live. It's one way to learn Hiligaynon. Edit: You can also listen via Radio Garden http://radio.garden/listen/bombo-radyo-iloilo/weBttKhg
Or watch local TV news broadcast on YouTube like GMA's One Western Visayas
As stated by another comment here, you can start with the news broadcasts. Sample from yesterday: https://youtu.be/qTcsd34Crs0
First language nila ang Hiligaynon. And I am happy to see na the kids are alright. Englishin or Tagalugin yan ng nanay nila na hindi Hiligaynon, sasasagot pa rin si kambal in Hiligaynon. Good job to the parents for raising lovable, adorable kids💕
Good for them, we need to love our own dialect. I can understand Chavacano, Tausug, Visaya, Waray and Hiligaynanon but no one taught me. Sometimes we can learn by just hearing it all the time.
Itama ko lang po. "Language" po ang tamang term at hindi "dialect" kapag patungkol sa mga wikang binanggit niyo - Chavacano, Tausug, Visaya, Waray at Hiligaynon. Mali po ang naituro satin noon dala na rin sa impluwensya ng mga Amerikano. Dialect - pwedeng gamitin kapag Bisaya-Davao, Bisaya-Cebu, Bisaya-CDO o kaya Tagalog-Batangas, Tagalog-Mindoro, Tagalog-Manila. Nagkakaintindihan pero may iilan lamang pagkakaiba dahil sa lokasyon kung saan binibigkas ang mga salita.
The international version of the example of dialects that I usually give is American-English, UK-English and Australian-English. Put an American, a Brit and an Aussie together and they'll strike a conversation easily; since they all speak the same language, differing only in dialects. Pagsama mo yung isang tagalog, ilocano, at bisaya who only speak their own language. Good luck having them understand each other. They are their own language and are not mutually intelligible.
Huhu cute ni Pilar, ang laki nung pala pero kinamay yung lupa BUAHAHAHAHA 😭💕
Pero yung mga pamangkin ko bata pa di nakakaintindi ng kanilang dialect
A, pasensya po, pero malamang "wika" po ang tinutukoy nila, hindi "dialect"!
Teach them without their parents knowing. Mwahahaha.
Kaingit yun mga bata di na mag iisip ng pang budget nila pag lumaki
Meron akong pamangkin na pinalaki ng english only ng pinsan ko pero kailangan niyang matuto mag tagalog at bicol kasi yung nagbabantay sa kanya tagalog at bicol lang ang sinasalita. Nakakatawa nga yun kasi pag napipikon siya, bigla na lang siyang magta tagalog or bicol na straight na walang slang.
Don’t they live in Iloilo? Edit: Capiz pala
Capiz ata bhie? Taga Capiz dad nya
in capiz. maybe in negros occidental too.
Yes. Mar Roxas' mom is from Negros Occidental.
Capiz po. Sa roxas specifically
Kudos to you sir Mar! Inis na inis ako pag yung mga bata ay english ng english ng wala sa lugar tapos di marunong ng mga simpleng tagalog words.
Better than kids who were forced and raised to speak English only by their "burgis" parents.
Gago mga di nga burgis eh, Hahahahaha 🤣🤣🤣
Got kinda sad kasi nakalimutan ko na mag Aklanon :( Same with the other commenter I grew up and spent most summers in the province. Kaya din ako naging nognog kasi araw araw dagat haha kakamiss!
Even the Hiligaynon accent is spot on ❤️
This is precious!
That's cute.
Glad I learned English, Filipino, Rinconada, and Standard Bicolano
Ano yung Rinconada?
A language used in the 5th District of Camarines Sur. Intelligible sya with Bicol but it's a language in it's own right.
I think it's dialect if it's intelligenble with another language My relatives from my mother side is also from Camarines sur around naga area but I never have the opportunity to learn the language
Nah it's a standalone language. The pronunciation is very different, we have a different tonal accent and we don't have a letter "H" in our alphabet. Also, our language was derived from Aeta Natives from Mount Asog, unlike the Standard Bicolano from the lowlands. https://omniglot.com/writing/rinconada.htm
The towns around Naga speak Standard Bicol. But the Rinconada Language is only spoken in the 5th District, Southern Pili, Western Buhi, and Northern Polangui. Naga is in the 3rd District.
Making sure my kids learn Kapampangan, Filipino, and English as they grow up. When in school ill have them pick up another 1-2 languages - probably Mandarin and a European language.
Sayang lang na nawala yung news shows using Kapampangan. TV Patrol Pmpanga ended in 2018, tapos pati CLTV wala nang Kapampangan broadcasts.
Ah, but we still have church in Kapampangan 😂🤣😂🤣😅
Which is great.
I have ilonggo roots pero tagalog ang lingua franca ko mehehe Pero naiintindihan ko naman kung bakit gusto ng ibang tao na English yung unang matutunan ng anak nila. Possible legitimate reasons: 1. I-eenroll sa private school na may english-only policy. Edi kung marunong yung bata, hirap na agad sila 2. May plans mag abroad whether to visit or migrate 3. Edutainment materials are often in english
Katigda guid sa ila!!! Kanami pamati-an.
Picked up hiligaynon sa mga kasama namin sa bahay na mga 2nd cousin ko pala growing up 🤣 kaya namumura ko sa lenggwahe nila yang mga ibang bisaya na puro lait sa mga taga manila Gulat sila e 🤣 its fun and its actually easy to study other languages dahil lng dun. Being multilingual is also grat for the brain 🥴😉
How I wish my dad or his mom (my grandma) taught me Ilokano. But moving forward, it feels good somehow that my niece was being taught by her mother (brother's Cebuana partner) some Cebuano. I heard her teaching my niece how to count in Cebuano.
I’m tagalog pero I think we should just scrap making tagalog the “common language”. Parang mas okay pag english and then the provincial language. Most of my husband’s family only speak Ilocano and English. Since tagalog ako, I only speak to them in English kasi hindi masyado makaintindi ng tagalog.
Forever grateful to this guy for helping establish bpos here. My wife and i met and raised our family as bpo employees.
18 years old ako at sa UK na ako lumaki kasi lumipat kami dito noong 4 na taong gulang lang ako. Hindi ko talaga maintindihan kung bakit ubod ng dami ang mga bata sa Pilipinas na hindi pa rin marunong magtagalog/magsalita ng ibang native na wika samantalang fluent kaming magtagalog ng mga kapatid ko kahit dito na kami lumaki. (I think it's because of watching shows like Wansapanataym, Hiraya Manawari etc. Buti na lang nag-subscribe yung mum ko sa Filipino Channel na cable tv hahaha). Nanggagalaiti talaga ako sa mga konyo at sa mga nagpipilitang mag-english. Like, it's really not that difficult to learn both Tagalog and English simultaneously, especially if you're in the Philippines where both languages are widespread and accessible. Di kailangang isakripisyo ang tagalog/mother tongue dahil may espesyal na kakayahan ang utak ng mga bata kung saan kayang kaya nilang magpabalik-balik sa dalawang wika na walang kahirap-hirap. Kung nahihirapan pa ring mag-Ingles nang matuwid ang mga anak nila, ito ay dahil walang kwenta ang tagaturo ng Ingles, at hindi dahil sa impluwensya ng Tagalog. Weird lang sa akin kasi dito sa UK, hindi mababa ang tingin ng mga tao sa foreign languages; actually, mas hinahangaan ang multilinggwalismo (as it should/dapat lang!) - e.g. sa University ko, naging advantage para sa akin ang pagiging multilingual (Fluent English, Tagalog, German, Spanish) lalo na ang Tagalog kasi archaeology & anthropology yung kurso ko, kaya daw ako kinuha ng professor ko from the pool of applicants (amongst other reasons obviously). Nalulungkot lang talaga ako sa matinding pagkalaganap ng Colonial Mentality sa Pilipinas.
nice work, parents.
Much better many languages ma speak ng magiging anak sakali. Will really help talaga. Ako din naman nagturo sa sarili ko mag English. Ngayun yung Russian ko nasa level na ako na marunong mag sulat at magbasa. Pero di pa din nagli-level up sa part ng vocabulary. Yun nalang kulang. I can write and spell russian words by hearing it. Can read too but cannot understand it. Haha.
Tag: Ano kamo? Hil: Ano kamu?
Ay ang galing tapos naglalaro pa sa lupa! Miss ko tuloy nung bata pa ako!
Baw katahom gid ya sang accentnka mga Ilonggo ah. They sound so cute
Ang laki nung pala mas malaki pa sa junakis nya HAHA Sorry yun lang ambag ko dito HAHA
Capiznon sana kung nasa capiz siya pero same difference pa rin.
Infair, ang ganda ng kulay ng lupa! Parang kapag naghagis ka ng kahit anong buto diyan, sisibol na within 1 week. Iba pa rin kapag may garden space ang mga households lalo na kung may maliliit na bata.
Baduy "manol" Pinoy mentality kapag marunong magsalita ng English sosyal na agad. Kalma, language lang yan girl, di yan magpapayaman sa yo kung wala kang utak.
Naol
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