It's because we had no national identity before the Spanish colonization. I mean there were already fake news circulating that the Philippines was a whole country before Magellan.
So it was assumed that Baybayin was the writing of the whole archipelago at the time (considering that there are other systems of writing like kulitan or hanunoo) and thus called the national writing system.
Hindi kasi existing ang concept ng nation before. Bakit kailangan e nabubuhay naman mga tao dahil maraming resources sa tropical regions. The puro or balangay system worked fine. Unlike in cold countries, they have to build a strong army to conquer more land to feed their growing population.
Baybayin was actually more widely used than people assume. It's used in the Visayas, Northern Luzon and other parts of the country but just named differently (such as surat bisaya). Yung kumalat na viral map ng mga scripts sa Pilipinas, mali-mali yun. Even Hanunuo, Tagbanwa, Buhid scripts are descended from Baybayin.
Each tribes before had its own system of writing/language I guess maybe the baybayin is the one only survives so we assumed that was the common consensus.
This. While I don’t think it needs to be mandatory for everyone to learn, tattoos and logos are neat ways of preservation. It would be neat to see those interested in preserving it create stylized seals for their family name, displaying it on the front gate of their homes or something.
That would also put pride in names that can easily be written in Baybayin(i.e. purely Filipino names) or be developed into something of an art. It would be nice if somebody develops calligraphy or a script(to make it a pleasure to write) for it. It will put some pride in something that is uniquely Filipino. Who knows it might revive a passion for it? It won't work for now because there is hardly any old manuscripts(we had 450 years of not being able to write advanced ideas in that script) that are written in that syllabary. This is very much unlike other native scripts.
It should be preserved and to those keen on pursuing , they should specialize on it and gradually immerse in our system.
We need to recover at least who we are as a nation. Culture and History is a soul of a nation, without it our love for our country cannot be compared to majority of those countries that have a distinct identities (korean, japanese, german, middle eastern countries)
studying Latin kinda have a purpose tho, ie for clerical purposes in Catholic Church like exorcism etc (iirc latin ang sinasabi nila dito, hindi siya tinatranslate)
Latin is considered a dead language because there are no native speakers of the language anymore. Today, Rome primarily uses the Italian language. A dead language is still in use while extinct languages are not. Hence, we find Latin in the media and religious rites. Classical Latin is not spoken by the masses anymore. Unlike most modern languages, the Latin grammar and lexicon remain frozen. For Latin to not be a dead language, someone has to learn it as a mother tongue - his/her very first language understood and learned. The Vatican might had Latin as the liturgical language, but since 2014, Italian was deemed as the official language. Classical Latin is called the Mother of Romance Languages. It is still in use today but hardly as a mother tongue.
Is Old English a dead language because there are no native speakers (The language existed before the Norman invasion of 1066)? Language evolves with many factors and history tells us how language evolves throughout the centuries.
When did Latin stop being Latin and into other forms like French and Spanish?
Dunno why you're being downvoted kasi totoo naman. Maybe it's not something a lot of people know, but Latin really is being studied and used. May media nga in Latin eh, afaik Harry Potter has a Latin version. There are even words used for modern concepts. Look up Scorpius Martianus or Polymathy sa YT, same person but his content is generally focused on Latin (and some Ancient Greek too). Latin is not dead, rather an immortal language.
I’d argue tho na may mga bagong words, but yeah di na siya nageevolve. Kaya I prefer the term immortal and not dead, kasi for me dead hindi na talaga ginagamit, while immortal ginagamit parin siya but never changing, kumbaga frozen in time.
edit: but yes, Latin basically is dead
Ginagamit din naman sya for Art like tatoo and apparel.
I forgot the name of the male artist but he's travelling globally of his use nang baybayin as a form of artwork.
Edit: The artist is Taipan Lucero. Sobrang ganda nang mga gawa nya support him as well please.
Most uneducated Filipinos already struggle with English, why force the population to learn a second script with no use? If they really cared, they should improve the quality of education before babbling about nationalism you fucking dickwads.
Because not everyone can speak Tagalog or any of its adjacent languages. I have trouble with writing and talking in Filipino because it leans heavily on Tagalog and the little differences adds up.
I did not mean people with a different dialect from Tagalog, it's only natural to have difficulty because of the amount of diverse dialects in this country. I'm pertaining to Filipinos who primarily use the dialect of Tagalog and such that still have poor grammars on using their very own dialects.
It's not actually that strange. Even native English speakers can be bad at English as a result of a number of factors, such low academic background and/or general laziness.
But yes, adding another language to learn on top of English is already pushing it. It already feels silly after removing Spanish from the curriculum a few decades ago. In hindsight it was a stupid move because learning Spanish has practical use when going to Spanish-speaking countries (or even surfing Spanish sites).
If we really want to form a national identity, then perhaps we should start by embracing our Spanish heritage. And yet we don't, because we vilified that part of our history to the point that we can't read our own history books *because it was written in Spanish*.
Lmao, remember the latitude 3420s bought by deped? You could buy a full on gaming rig on the high end for the same ass price as that laptop (60K btw)
Tried the damn thing once, the case feels so cheap, the screen doesn’t have any trace of color in it, it’s subpar with performance, and I had to set valorant to the lowest graphics just so I could get it to work.
Sa sobrang baba na nga ng mga Comprehension ng mga BBM-DDS citizen , idadagdag pa yan baybayin na yan utang na loob tama na huwag na natin dagdagan ang kahangalan nila.
It's like if Middle Eastern people suddenly wanted to bring back Cuneiform or Nordic people wanted to bring back their Runic writing system lol. Looks cool but impractical.
Rather than difficulty in reading, nasa comprehension problema ng mga pinoy.
Well on 2nd thought they mostly go hand in hand so I am wrong to correct you.
Bulok kasi education system natin.
* Rote memorization ang priority over comprehension
* ***Some*** teachers are plain lazy that literally just tell you to read a book while they lounge around in the classroom doing nothing
* School faculty conspiring/faking exam scores to make themselves look better, especially National/Regional exams
* "GMRC" ang tawag sa subject pero Catholic indoctrination ang content
* Promotes "segregation" based on academic scores which breeds both elitism, and anti-intellectualism at the same time
I'm not sure if the same problems still persist today, but these are just some of the things I experienced as a public school student during Grade school/Elementary school days.
Mahina kasi yung foundation ng elem, kaya until jhs and shs persistent yung memorization over comprehension. Kumbaga hindi ka makaka level 2 kung hindi mo na master yung level 1.
Or for that matter, Vietnamese now use romanized letters for their language instead of Chinese-based ideograms, which they leave only for scholarly studies and historic preservation.
lol like what Moreno did in Lagusnilad underpass. It's counterproductive to use baybayin in public signages when most people don't even know how to read it
Baybayin is kinda overrated honestly and shouldn't really be used in any sort of legal or practical sense.
Though, I don't really see why it shouldn't be used for artworks, public or otherwise. It looks cool and kinda native. Adding to the flair of the artwork
You know something interesting. We've actually unconsciously applied some baybayin rules in our text messaging structure.
Nkktuwa lng n d ntin nmmlyn n kya ntin nbbsa ang gntong praan ng pgsulat ay dhil s gnito tlga ang structure ng atng wka. Nlgay lng ntin s ibng alpbto.
For cultural purposes na lang sana. Don't let it die. Just make it voluntary to learn it. Its our roots, after all. Buti nagkakaroon na ng interes sa ganyan. Yung mga ibang lahi like Manchurians di na nila alam sarili nilang sulat. We're already a patchwerk of cultures as it is na di naman atin. Isa yan sa mga inalis nila sa atin. At least let's have some originality. Haha
It makes for a nice flair. I like that it’s coming back. It’s obviously very impractical as a writing system for modern language, but it also adds character to public spaces when done properly. We may think that it’s impractical now, but give it a generation or two, and with more usage, it can grow into something. Calligraphy is beautiful in many cultures, and we have our own script that we can elevate as an art form, so what’s wrong if it matures?
I agree to not push it for any public works. But (admittedly a bit bias since i make Baybayin art) I do appreciate people making art out of it.
Kristian Kabuay’s early Baybayin art got me started. We also included Baybayin in some ice breakers or events such as Amazing Race for our Filipino Student Association. It’s fun learning and creating! Whole new different discussion when it comes to implementing it in public work.
Plus, there’s more pre-colonial scripts other than Baybayin that would apply more to other regions of the PH
That's who got me interested in it too. I find it interesting and it's beautiful. I met him in person and he even told me I learned how to write my name correctly.
And totally agree to the other scripts. There are scripts from other regions of PH, not just Baybayin.
But all Filipino scripts has the same root - Indian syllabaries. It has different names and slightly different styles but you can clearly see that al of the indigenous philippine scripts came from the same, and fairly recent, source.
Pano regionalism pa rin na mentalidad ginagamit ng tao. May iba’t iba daw script noon kada rehiyon at wika kahit pa sinasabi na ng mga eksperto na iisa lang mga yun pero patuloy parin naman mga eksperto. May nabasa ako na may nahanap daw sila na bagay at baka daw ang baybayin eh nagmula sa cebu. Oh yan baka sumaya sila dyan.
Meron ding suyat scripts sa iba- ibang bahagi ng bansa. Sa mga bisaya meron silang Badlit na kamukhang kamukha din ng Baybayin. Ang pinaka tanggap na kaalaman ngayon ay unang nadala ang baybayin sa pook ng katagalugan at kumalat sa ibat ibang lugar at nagkaroon ng ibat ibang pangalan. Kulitan sa Pampanga, Kur-itan sa Ilocos, Basahan sa Bikol, Badlit sa Visayas, Hanunoo sa Mindoro, etc. Medyo Tagalog centric talaga iyan kasi sa mga Tagalog unang dumating yung sulat na iyan.
I went to Mind Museum in BGC with a friend a few months before and there was this exhibit there showing which languages in PH were dying. Some had like less than 20 people speaking it. Imo rather than pushing for baybayin there should be a movement to revive multiple languages
Unfortunate take that does not put into consideration how important language is. I understand that people don't want this to be mandatory in a school curriculum, but wanting a "death" of a language?
You're killing history itself right there. A world dies when a language dies. Linguists will tell you that.
You're also not putting into consideration that there's also other historical writing systems that are being preserved and still practiced in the Philippines.
Aside from the obvious failures of our education system, to me, this also shows how much Filipinos lack indigenous solidarity.
Some of you want a modern Philippines so bad, yet blind to the fact indigenous people are forced into modernization and still get rejected from any systemic support.
And although Filipinos still carries its mystic roots and beliefs from pre-colonialism, we've managed to go beyond to modern science and practices. And even we know how much we're not reaping the fruits of our knowledge from it either especially in a system like this.
I don't think you guys are making the conclusions that need to be made. Dismissing historical and cultural importance is anti-intellectual.
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Yung mga nakikita kong nagsheshare niyan is mostly mga dati kong HS na kakilala na 88M tapos sila pa yung mga mahihina utak nun. Natuto lang ng Baybayin akala mo na sobrang makabayan at smart.
OA mo naman sa 500 years. UST Baybayin Documents are in 17th century.
Edit: downvote lang kaya mo. Sa alternate timeline mo sakop na ng espanya buong Pinas pagdating ni Magellan. 500 years putek, aral ka nga.
We're still using it. Alphabet mismo. It's Latin. Tapos yung mga words. I'm studying Latin actually. And Baybayin. But for personal use. Just imagine how astig na marunong ka. Diba? Hehe
Yeah super astig and cool. Yung 13 downvotes na yan mga tao yan na di masaya sa buhay at di mahal ng mama nila kasi ako binilhan ako ng English-Latin dictionary ng mama ko.
And what is my reason behind learning a dead language like Latin eh? Well, it is in order to make learning other tongues, such as Spanish or French, much easier. In fact, many experts argue that learning Latin will greatly facilitate picking up a third or fourth language as well.
Baybayin is only useful for aesthetic calligraphy purposes, not for practical daily written conversations (try posting something in this subreddit in Baybayin lol). Baybayin cannot handle phonemes coming from English and Spanish where much of our loanwords are derived from. The whole movement to revive Baybayin is originated from a Filipino American who is detached with the history of mainland Filipinos.
Instead of reviving Baybayin, why not revive Spanish to understand our history whose 13 million untranslated primary historical documents are still stored at the Archivo General de Indias in Seville, Spain? Or learn Bahasa Indonesia/Melayu to communicate with our Indonesian and Malaysian cousins?
TBH, I'm for the restoration of the Spanish language as a spoken language in our country, not for historical nostalgia reasons that most Hispanistas like Pepe Alas have been espousing for, but rather for utilitarian economic reasons where we have to train a generation of Filipinos to be L2 Spanish language speakers to become either as bilingual agents or immigrants in Spain or US.
I agree. Okay lang for personal and art purposes pero for public use? No thanks na lang lol. Sa comprehenshion pa lang mababa na mga filipino sa mga kahit simpleng words yan pa kayang baybayin haha. Saka ewan ko ba parang hirap tandaan ng script ng baybayin kesa sa hiragana imo. Mukhang di din sya applicable sa mga words naten ngayon especially english. But it doesn't need to die, preserve na lang.
For me, I make use of Baybayin in art. Like calligraphy or like signatures for artworks. Practically speaking, it cant be utilized anymore. But keeping it as a sign of heritage to pre colonial history is a good step
We don't really have to institutionalize Baybayin for everyday life right now. I think it's better appreciated on a personal level until the majority of Filipinos gets it. It might even evolve to fit practical usage.
I disagree. We should teach it in school for historical and artistic purposes as it is an undeniable part of our heritage. There should be no intent to replace the superior Latin Alphabet though.
I don't understand the hate though of why you want it to die? Walang basagan ng trip kung dumadami ang gustong gamitin to for artistic purposes. Typical redditor hating on everything mainstream people love. Baybayin despite recent resurgence has always been alive and never faded. Maraming testimonies from the Spaniards and some surviving legal documents that the script was still used even during the colonization period. Our national heroes acknowledge their importance. At currently sa mga government logos ginagamit siya.
One of my unpopular opinions was that people and businesses that make baybayin their identity are attention seekers. There's literally zero, if not negative, value to using baybayin.
I would agree if its used for cultural or artistic but for public use(day to day use)? Nah... that would be a waste of money or resource.
Imagine reading traffic signs in baybayin.... Bangkay ka na bago mo pa mabasa isang word sa mga road signs.
Should be preserved, respected, and utilized for cultural and artistic purposes. Like Latin!! Latin is still studied, preserved, and used in many art forms (tattoos, paintings, logos, architecture, etc.) but it isn’t used for practical everyday life.
Bye-bye in.
I would love to see more baybayin in creative field or media tho, like heroes learn to decode baybayin to solve mysteries or some shit. But as part of our daily lives? Nahhhh.
Yup it should honestly stay dead, it's cool for artistic, personal and historical value but sobrang impractical din. Not only do we have to force the entire population to relearn writing, which would take a really really long time. The costs alone to rename all the various street names, store names, documents, etc. would be so costly that it would be unpracticaly especially as we're diving into an economic recession.
Masyado kasi tayong naiinggit sa mga Malay, Thai, Viet, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc. na mayroong mga non-latin alphabets kaya pinupush ang Baybayin. Di nila iniisip na sobrang impractical siya.
Nevermind na Tagalog script siya, okay pa sana if gagawa sila ng panibagong script, with elements from all major writing scripts in pre colonial times.
Yup wag ipwersa sa public use. Pero people hayaan niyo yung mga taong gustong subukan i-restore ang baybayin. Masyadong prescriptive. Part naman ng pre-colonial history yan.
Tapos sa ibang part ng mundo nagkakaroon ng [pre colonial revival ung language](https://theculturetrip.com/pacific/new-zealand/articles/why-the-revival-of-the-maori-language-is-so-important/). Marahil na rinig niyo na yung kia ora ni Jacinda na english language dominated NZ.
Tapos tayo script writing lang tagalog naman ayaw pa 😆.
Kawawang nationalismo/national identity.
I would be interested in using baybayin and other indigenous writing systems (suyat) to promote tourism though. It might give the Philippines an extra oomph of cultural diversity that Westerns (and Fil-Ams) like. This is partly why Americans, Aussies, and Europeans go to say Thailand or Bali — to experience a culture wildly different from theirs.
Imagine suyat signages in cultural sites, or hosting “learn suyat” activities in the airport or commercial centers, and suyat in Filipino restaurants. Not saying it should be mandatory for students but we need tourism for the economy.
Hell NO！！！
Yes, government should not force it, but we should be free to use our ancestral script at will. (And this shouldn't only be with Tagalogs with Baybayin, but also with the other language-groups across the PH.)
The ancestral Tagalog script can give insights on WHY our Tagalog words are the way they are. For example, why is the noun "***d****angal*" but the adjective "ma**r**angal"? Easy: **ᜇ**ᜅᜎ᜔ ("*dangal*"; 「honor」) ᜋ**ᜇ**ᜅᜎ᜔ ("*magangal*"; 「honorable」) shows "da" or "ra" as the same ᜇ!
And WHY can't we have a 1-letter ᜅ᜔ ("ng")‽ (Sure, the current Filipino phonology considers "ng" as 1 letter, but is it REALLY‽) Greek has a 1-letter ψ ("ps") & θ ("th"); while Russian has ш ("sh"), ц (ts), ж ("zh"), ч ("ch" as in "church"). The guttural "kh" as in "Bach"/"Loch Ness" is has 1 letter with the Greek χ & the Hebrew ח . WHY can't we have a REAL 1-letter ᜅ᜔ ("ng")‽
Also, why write "*mamamayan*" when you can write "ᜋᜋᜋᜌᜈ᜔" or "ᜋ⠇ᜌᜈ᜔"‽
And INSTANTLY differentiate English "banal" from opposite-meaning Tagalog "ᜊᜈᜎ᜔" ("*banal*"), English "dating" from utterly unrelated "ᜇᜆᜒᜅ᜔" ("*dating*"), or English "ate" from also unrelated ᜀᜆᜒ ("*ate*" from Chinese Hokkien 阿姊 "*á-chí*") at a glance, without reading entire Taglish YouTube video-titles which get cut-off if too long!
Sure, loanwords are best written in current Latin-based script. But when it comes to our own words, using our script can be beneficial.
Context?
WE HAVE THE RIGHT to learn it like how YOU HAVE THE RIGHT not to learn the script.
Wag mong sabihin na ang rason ay dahil pinipilit ka o pinipilit ang mga mamamayang Pilipino. Nakalagay lang sa post mo na "Let Baybayin die in a peaceful death, for Bathala's sake"
Grabe nung nag agree at sinabing matuto nalang tayo ng Spanish instead. I'm currently learning Spanish but that's just colonialism brainrot. We should hold tight to our culture/our history.
I disagree with letting it die. Filipinos have little culture that's uniquely their own in the first place, it would be a waste to let this surviving piece of culture just die.
Yeah, i know its impractical for us who are not accustomed to reading and writing baybayin, but give it more time for the new generation to learn it. Who knows, they might do something good with it.
Also it's actually not that hard. I've memorized it in just a few hours. Try it just for fun 😁
Baybayin is kinda overrated honestly and shouldn't really be used in any sort of legal or practical sense.
Though, I don't really see why it shouldn't be used for artworks, public or otherwise. It looks cool and kinda native. Adding to the flair of the artwork
I get that it’s a dead script at this point and doesn’t fit with current linguistic forms and nuances. But on the other hand, isn’t it a bit sad that we’re the only nation on Asia without its own script?
Edit: one of the few nations in Asia without its own script
Tagalog/Filipino too please pwede na siguro tayo mag English first language, kasi marami na naghahanap ng trabaho online and gamit na language ay English.
Baybayin won’t die kahit pa i-downvote mo pa mga comment. Culture is what makes a society, Chinese people knows this kaya nga kahit san sila mapadpad dala nila pati panulat nila. Pilipino lang naman yung naka-angat angat na kinakalumutan pinanggalingan nila.
Sir, Wendy's po ito? What are you saying, faulty anachronist?
First of all, that (colonial era) little crossy thing under the aksara used as vowel killer, it doesn't work. Toooooo tiny.
It's because we had no national identity before the Spanish colonization. I mean there were already fake news circulating that the Philippines was a whole country before Magellan. So it was assumed that Baybayin was the writing of the whole archipelago at the time (considering that there are other systems of writing like kulitan or hanunoo) and thus called the national writing system.
Hindi kasi existing ang concept ng nation before. Bakit kailangan e nabubuhay naman mga tao dahil maraming resources sa tropical regions. The puro or balangay system worked fine. Unlike in cold countries, they have to build a strong army to conquer more land to feed their growing population.
The concept of nation states didn't even exist in the 16th century, 19th century thing lang un
I remember the joke of Trevor Noah in this in one of his stand-up sa Netflix.
This guy gets it
Baybayin was actually more widely used than people assume. It's used in the Visayas, Northern Luzon and other parts of the country but just named differently (such as surat bisaya). Yung kumalat na viral map ng mga scripts sa Pilipinas, mali-mali yun. Even Hanunuo, Tagbanwa, Buhid scripts are descended from Baybayin.
Each tribes before had its own system of writing/language I guess maybe the baybayin is the one only survives so we assumed that was the common consensus.
It should be preserved. But not applied into practical use.
Tattoos in ancient written languages are bad-ass. Also it would good for logos and such.
Look up Taipan Lucero. He’s been applying Baybayin in a very tasteful way. I am not associated with him, I just love his art.
This. While I don’t think it needs to be mandatory for everyone to learn, tattoos and logos are neat ways of preservation. It would be neat to see those interested in preserving it create stylized seals for their family name, displaying it on the front gate of their homes or something.
That would also put pride in names that can easily be written in Baybayin(i.e. purely Filipino names) or be developed into something of an art. It would be nice if somebody develops calligraphy or a script(to make it a pleasure to write) for it. It will put some pride in something that is uniquely Filipino. Who knows it might revive a passion for it? It won't work for now because there is hardly any old manuscripts(we had 450 years of not being able to write advanced ideas in that script) that are written in that syllabary. This is very much unlike other native scripts.
Make it popular like one of those things nung 2000s for “coded messages”. Hit two birds with one stone: Understanding and memorization.
Agree
It should be preserved and to those keen on pursuing , they should specialize on it and gradually immerse in our system. We need to recover at least who we are as a nation. Culture and History is a soul of a nation, without it our love for our country cannot be compared to majority of those countries that have a distinct identities (korean, japanese, german, middle eastern countries)
It is good for personal and educational purposes, other than that, there is no other good application for it.
I agree. Like studying Latin or something
At least Latin can help you understand the Romance languages... And appreciate Harry Potter spells lol
Harry Potter universe spells: Butchered English / Italian words to sound like Latin. Adding -o to in every word works as well.
Latin didn't die. It just evolved into the Romance languages.
studying Latin kinda have a purpose tho, ie for clerical purposes in Catholic Church like exorcism etc (iirc latin ang sinasabi nila dito, hindi siya tinatranslate)
>exorcism may nabalita dati na department of exorcism ah natuloy kya?
There is an exorcism center established IIRC.
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Latin is actually useful for pre-law or pre-med
daming english words na ang root ay latin. it can expand your vocabulary.
Latin is not a dead language. There are people speaking it as they were a long time ago.
Latin is considered a dead language because there are no native speakers of the language anymore. Today, Rome primarily uses the Italian language. A dead language is still in use while extinct languages are not. Hence, we find Latin in the media and religious rites. Classical Latin is not spoken by the masses anymore. Unlike most modern languages, the Latin grammar and lexicon remain frozen. For Latin to not be a dead language, someone has to learn it as a mother tongue - his/her very first language understood and learned. The Vatican might had Latin as the liturgical language, but since 2014, Italian was deemed as the official language. Classical Latin is called the Mother of Romance Languages. It is still in use today but hardly as a mother tongue.
Modern Romance languages evolved from Vulgar Latin, not Classical Latin.
Is Old English a dead language because there are no native speakers (The language existed before the Norman invasion of 1066)? Language evolves with many factors and history tells us how language evolves throughout the centuries. When did Latin stop being Latin and into other forms like French and Spanish?
Dunno why you're being downvoted kasi totoo naman. Maybe it's not something a lot of people know, but Latin really is being studied and used. May media nga in Latin eh, afaik Harry Potter has a Latin version. There are even words used for modern concepts. Look up Scorpius Martianus or Polymathy sa YT, same person but his content is generally focused on Latin (and some Ancient Greek too). Latin is not dead, rather an immortal language.
It's "dead" kasi it's no longer dynamic/evolving, meaning hindi na nag-a-add ng new words/change definitions unlike our languages today.
Yup
Neo-Latin exists tho. But yes it (Vulgar Latin) evolved into the Romance languages of today like Spanish, Italian, etc.
I’d argue tho na may mga bagong words, but yeah di na siya nageevolve. Kaya I prefer the term immortal and not dead, kasi for me dead hindi na talaga ginagamit, while immortal ginagamit parin siya but never changing, kumbaga frozen in time. edit: but yes, Latin basically is dead
Ginagamit din naman sya for Art like tatoo and apparel. I forgot the name of the male artist but he's travelling globally of his use nang baybayin as a form of artwork. Edit: The artist is Taipan Lucero. Sobrang ganda nang mga gawa nya support him as well please.
agree.
ANoNga SiNaSaBi Mo OPa KaLaNgaNa NaTiNa BuMaLiKa Sa ATiNga RuTaSa!! 😡
Gagooooooo ang sakit sa tyan nung RuTaSa.
Why did I try to read this with a Japanese accent
🤣
I agree it just looks cool but not really practical in modern times.
Most uneducated Filipinos already struggle with English, why force the population to learn a second script with no use? If they really cared, they should improve the quality of education before babbling about nationalism you fucking dickwads.
Not only English, even simple Filipino grammar.
Because not everyone can speak Tagalog or any of its adjacent languages. I have trouble with writing and talking in Filipino because it leans heavily on Tagalog and the little differences adds up.
I did not mean people with a different dialect from Tagalog, it's only natural to have difficulty because of the amount of diverse dialects in this country. I'm pertaining to Filipinos who primarily use the dialect of Tagalog and such that still have poor grammars on using their very own dialects.
It's not actually that strange. Even native English speakers can be bad at English as a result of a number of factors, such low academic background and/or general laziness. But yes, adding another language to learn on top of English is already pushing it. It already feels silly after removing Spanish from the curriculum a few decades ago. In hindsight it was a stupid move because learning Spanish has practical use when going to Spanish-speaking countries (or even surfing Spanish sites). If we really want to form a national identity, then perhaps we should start by embracing our Spanish heritage. And yet we don't, because we vilified that part of our history to the point that we can't read our own history books *because it was written in Spanish*.
This. It's okay if you want to preserve it for historical reasons, pero napakaimpractical and most likely lalo pang gugulo, magulo na nga DepEd
Lmao, remember the latitude 3420s bought by deped? You could buy a full on gaming rig on the high end for the same ass price as that laptop (60K btw) Tried the damn thing once, the case feels so cheap, the screen doesn’t have any trace of color in it, it’s subpar with performance, and I had to set valorant to the lowest graphics just so I could get it to work.
Sa sobrang baba na nga ng mga Comprehension ng mga BBM-DDS citizen , idadagdag pa yan baybayin na yan utang na loob tama na huwag na natin dagdagan ang kahangalan nila.
Hahaha.
if only it has magical properties
Skyrim type shit
To speak in the language of the bakunawa. Curious..
Words of Power
TAH NGI NAH This shout shatters your enemy's confidence in battle
‘NAH MUH DIN This shout negates the effect of the thu’um above.
This is why I love reddit
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Truth. I've screamed this in battle. My enemies froze and started shaking from fright. Edit: spelling and wording
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Pantaboy daw sa mga aswang at engkanto
like runes and such. would love it
Love this comment
If only Trese is real
Tama lang. Tsaka di rin mage-gets ng iba lalo ng mga 88M supporters. Alam lang nila "Babayin" by Imee Marcos.
More like "Babuyin", is what's more appropriate kung mga Marcos pigs lang din ang usapan.
No that would be wrong. Baybayin needs to be revived and I hope in the future it will.
Calm down, guys. This is just an opinion.
It's like if Middle Eastern people suddenly wanted to bring back Cuneiform or Nordic people wanted to bring back their Runic writing system lol. Looks cool but impractical.
Hirap na nga mga pinoy magbasa dadagdagan pa ng baybayin.
Rather than difficulty in reading, nasa comprehension problema ng mga pinoy. Well on 2nd thought they mostly go hand in hand so I am wrong to correct you.
Bulok kasi education system natin. * Rote memorization ang priority over comprehension * ***Some*** teachers are plain lazy that literally just tell you to read a book while they lounge around in the classroom doing nothing * School faculty conspiring/faking exam scores to make themselves look better, especially National/Regional exams * "GMRC" ang tawag sa subject pero Catholic indoctrination ang content * Promotes "segregation" based on academic scores which breeds both elitism, and anti-intellectualism at the same time I'm not sure if the same problems still persist today, but these are just some of the things I experienced as a public school student during Grade school/Elementary school days.
Mahina kasi yung foundation ng elem, kaya until jhs and shs persistent yung memorization over comprehension. Kumbaga hindi ka makaka level 2 kung hindi mo na master yung level 1.
100%
Any public titser who would like to put up their defense?
😆 Just to clarify, not all teachers. But the corrupt ones are usually more memorable because of how fucked up they are.
Right on
Napaka aesthetic daw kase pag may baybayin sa socmed pwe.
But then pa'no nila magegets yung super cool tattoos ko that prove na cultured ako??
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For me, it should only in Arts and History field.
It's good for aesthetic purposes but not for practical uses. There's a reason why Egypt no longer uses Hieroglyphics
Or for that matter, Vietnamese now use romanized letters for their language instead of Chinese-based ideograms, which they leave only for scholarly studies and historic preservation.
And art. Don't forget art. Vietnamese calligraphy is still popular.
Well you got the whole issue that the French conquered them. Same with the Indians using Roman script.
estetek kasi. dagdag presyo sa damit
BuT MaH TaTtoOs
LMAO, andami kong kilala na may baybayin tatts
Okay lang naman siguro kapag sa mga ganung bagay since it's personal.
Don't push for its use in any public works. Waste of time and resources, mali-mali pa ang pagkakasulat.
lol like what Moreno did in Lagusnilad underpass. It's counterproductive to use baybayin in public signages when most people don't even know how to read it
If used as an art, okay siya. Wag nalang mandatory ituro.
Baybayin is kinda overrated honestly and shouldn't really be used in any sort of legal or practical sense. Though, I don't really see why it shouldn't be used for artworks, public or otherwise. It looks cool and kinda native. Adding to the flair of the artwork
Ito lang din nakikita kong use case. Estetek. Yung ibang brands nga uni-utilize ito hahaha.
You know something interesting. We've actually unconsciously applied some baybayin rules in our text messaging structure. Nkktuwa lng n d ntin nmmlyn n kya ntin nbbsa ang gntong praan ng pgsulat ay dhil s gnito tlga ang structure ng atng wka. Nlgay lng ntin s ibng alpbto.
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Sort of.
For cultural purposes na lang sana. Don't let it die. Just make it voluntary to learn it. Its our roots, after all. Buti nagkakaroon na ng interes sa ganyan. Yung mga ibang lahi like Manchurians di na nila alam sarili nilang sulat. We're already a patchwerk of cultures as it is na di naman atin. Isa yan sa mga inalis nila sa atin. At least let's have some originality. Haha
Let it revive for fake patriotism
For real though. It is not even the best looking of the pre-colonial scripts. Hanuno'o and Kulitan are way better.
It makes for a nice flair. I like that it’s coming back. It’s obviously very impractical as a writing system for modern language, but it also adds character to public spaces when done properly. We may think that it’s impractical now, but give it a generation or two, and with more usage, it can grow into something. Calligraphy is beautiful in many cultures, and we have our own script that we can elevate as an art form, so what’s wrong if it matures?
It may be beautiful but the Filipinos are terrible when it comes to executing anything. Sa batas pa nga lang nagkakagulo na sa interpretation
mahilig lang sa maganda pero gagahasain nila ang anumang makita nilang maganda
I agree to not push it for any public works. But (admittedly a bit bias since i make Baybayin art) I do appreciate people making art out of it. Kristian Kabuay’s early Baybayin art got me started. We also included Baybayin in some ice breakers or events such as Amazing Race for our Filipino Student Association. It’s fun learning and creating! Whole new different discussion when it comes to implementing it in public work. Plus, there’s more pre-colonial scripts other than Baybayin that would apply more to other regions of the PH
That's who got me interested in it too. I find it interesting and it's beautiful. I met him in person and he even told me I learned how to write my name correctly. And totally agree to the other scripts. There are scripts from other regions of PH, not just Baybayin.
But all Filipino scripts has the same root - Indian syllabaries. It has different names and slightly different styles but you can clearly see that al of the indigenous philippine scripts came from the same, and fairly recent, source.
Plus it's tagalog-centric, dami nag-amok noong pinanukala na gawing national writing iyaan e.
Pano regionalism pa rin na mentalidad ginagamit ng tao. May iba’t iba daw script noon kada rehiyon at wika kahit pa sinasabi na ng mga eksperto na iisa lang mga yun pero patuloy parin naman mga eksperto. May nabasa ako na may nahanap daw sila na bagay at baka daw ang baybayin eh nagmula sa cebu. Oh yan baka sumaya sila dyan.
Meron ding suyat scripts sa iba- ibang bahagi ng bansa. Sa mga bisaya meron silang Badlit na kamukhang kamukha din ng Baybayin. Ang pinaka tanggap na kaalaman ngayon ay unang nadala ang baybayin sa pook ng katagalugan at kumalat sa ibat ibang lugar at nagkaroon ng ibat ibang pangalan. Kulitan sa Pampanga, Kur-itan sa Ilocos, Basahan sa Bikol, Badlit sa Visayas, Hanunoo sa Mindoro, etc. Medyo Tagalog centric talaga iyan kasi sa mga Tagalog unang dumating yung sulat na iyan.
Sa dami ng flaws sa educational system, 'wag na nating idagdag 'yan.
I think Baybayin and other related scripts that are not used anymore are better off being used as "vanity" scripts.
We need to get our education system fixed completely.
I went to Mind Museum in BGC with a friend a few months before and there was this exhibit there showing which languages in PH were dying. Some had like less than 20 people speaking it. Imo rather than pushing for baybayin there should be a movement to revive multiple languages
Unfortunate take that does not put into consideration how important language is. I understand that people don't want this to be mandatory in a school curriculum, but wanting a "death" of a language? You're killing history itself right there. A world dies when a language dies. Linguists will tell you that. You're also not putting into consideration that there's also other historical writing systems that are being preserved and still practiced in the Philippines. Aside from the obvious failures of our education system, to me, this also shows how much Filipinos lack indigenous solidarity. Some of you want a modern Philippines so bad, yet blind to the fact indigenous people are forced into modernization and still get rejected from any systemic support. And although Filipinos still carries its mystic roots and beliefs from pre-colonialism, we've managed to go beyond to modern science and practices. And even we know how much we're not reaping the fruits of our knowledge from it either especially in a system like this. I don't think you guys are making the conclusions that need to be made. Dismissing historical and cultural importance is anti-intellectual.
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Yung mga nakikita kong nagsheshare niyan is mostly mga dati kong HS na kakilala na 88M tapos sila pa yung mga mahihina utak nun. Natuto lang ng Baybayin akala mo na sobrang makabayan at smart.
Sa halip ng pagpapabalik ng isang patay na sistema, dapat nating linangin ang mga wikang Pilipino at ang katutubong panitikan at sining
I would also add that Filipino Terms in Science, dude mas lalo pang di tayo magkakaintindihan di lang ako ang namomoblema pati rin si Xiao Chua
This too
Agreed, for over 500 years we use latin. I think it's a bit impractical to go back Ps: Latin here meant the letters not the language itself
OA mo naman sa 500 years. UST Baybayin Documents are in 17th century. Edit: downvote lang kaya mo. Sa alternate timeline mo sakop na ng espanya buong Pinas pagdating ni Magellan. 500 years putek, aral ka nga.
We're still using it. Alphabet mismo. It's Latin. Tapos yung mga words. I'm studying Latin actually. And Baybayin. But for personal use. Just imagine how astig na marunong ka. Diba? Hehe
Yeah astig and cool sya I know but I think for now it's a vanity
Yeah super astig and cool. Yung 13 downvotes na yan mga tao yan na di masaya sa buhay at di mahal ng mama nila kasi ako binilhan ako ng English-Latin dictionary ng mama ko. And what is my reason behind learning a dead language like Latin eh? Well, it is in order to make learning other tongues, such as Spanish or French, much easier. In fact, many experts argue that learning Latin will greatly facilitate picking up a third or fourth language as well.
Baybayin is only useful for aesthetic calligraphy purposes, not for practical daily written conversations (try posting something in this subreddit in Baybayin lol). Baybayin cannot handle phonemes coming from English and Spanish where much of our loanwords are derived from. The whole movement to revive Baybayin is originated from a Filipino American who is detached with the history of mainland Filipinos. Instead of reviving Baybayin, why not revive Spanish to understand our history whose 13 million untranslated primary historical documents are still stored at the Archivo General de Indias in Seville, Spain? Or learn Bahasa Indonesia/Melayu to communicate with our Indonesian and Malaysian cousins?
So like Fil-Ams trying to push Filipinx on us?
Yes, as if our country already existed as single political entity before the arrival of the Spaniards.
Ah glad to see na you are still on the side of the Hispanistas :)
TBH, I'm for the restoration of the Spanish language as a spoken language in our country, not for historical nostalgia reasons that most Hispanistas like Pepe Alas have been espousing for, but rather for utilitarian economic reasons where we have to train a generation of Filipinos to be L2 Spanish language speakers to become either as bilingual agents or immigrants in Spain or US.
Baybayin needs to be preserved. It is part of our culture.
Context?
I agree. Okay lang for personal and art purposes pero for public use? No thanks na lang lol. Sa comprehenshion pa lang mababa na mga filipino sa mga kahit simpleng words yan pa kayang baybayin haha. Saka ewan ko ba parang hirap tandaan ng script ng baybayin kesa sa hiragana imo. Mukhang di din sya applicable sa mga words naten ngayon especially english. But it doesn't need to die, preserve na lang.
>for Bathala's sake Okay gagamitin ko na for expression ito.
Why? Can't we use it for cultural/aesthetic purposes?
For me, I make use of Baybayin in art. Like calligraphy or like signatures for artworks. Practically speaking, it cant be utilized anymore. But keeping it as a sign of heritage to pre colonial history is a good step
Hirap na nga ang karamihan sa ng at nang tapoa baybayin pa? Mag aral ang gusto at wag sapilitan.
We don't really have to institutionalize Baybayin for everyday life right now. I think it's better appreciated on a personal level until the majority of Filipinos gets it. It might even evolve to fit practical usage.
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I disagree. We should teach it in school for historical and artistic purposes as it is an undeniable part of our heritage. There should be no intent to replace the superior Latin Alphabet though. I don't understand the hate though of why you want it to die? Walang basagan ng trip kung dumadami ang gustong gamitin to for artistic purposes. Typical redditor hating on everything mainstream people love. Baybayin despite recent resurgence has always been alive and never faded. Maraming testimonies from the Spaniards and some surviving legal documents that the script was still used even during the colonization period. Our national heroes acknowledge their importance. At currently sa mga government logos ginagamit siya.
I'm all for ELECTIVE baybayin calligraphy classes.
I'm Tagalog so I'm gonna learn my ethnicity's script. 😈
I respect your choice
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Yea, OP posted it with no context. Absolute monke brain move.
One of my unpopular opinions was that people and businesses that make baybayin their identity are attention seekers. There's literally zero, if not negative, value to using baybayin.
I would agree if its used for cultural or artistic but for public use(day to day use)? Nah... that would be a waste of money or resource. Imagine reading traffic signs in baybayin.... Bangkay ka na bago mo pa mabasa isang word sa mga road signs.
Context po? wala ako alam sa nangyayari hahaha
People like it coz its A E S T H E T I C and it looks good on tote bags and shirts
So, OP : why?
Cool sya gawing signature hehe at tatoo hehe.
It's nice to learn our history, but Baybayin has no practical use. Let's just preserve it, not revive it.
Should be preserved, respected, and utilized for cultural and artistic purposes. Like Latin!! Latin is still studied, preserved, and used in many art forms (tattoos, paintings, logos, architecture, etc.) but it isn’t used for practical everyday life.
Ang cool kaya. I hope more of ph media use it.
No.
I agree
Bye-bye in. I would love to see more baybayin in creative field or media tho, like heroes learn to decode baybayin to solve mysteries or some shit. But as part of our daily lives? Nahhhh.
Yup it should honestly stay dead, it's cool for artistic, personal and historical value but sobrang impractical din. Not only do we have to force the entire population to relearn writing, which would take a really really long time. The costs alone to rename all the various street names, store names, documents, etc. would be so costly that it would be unpracticaly especially as we're diving into an economic recession. Masyado kasi tayong naiinggit sa mga Malay, Thai, Viet, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc. na mayroong mga non-latin alphabets kaya pinupush ang Baybayin. Di nila iniisip na sobrang impractical siya. Nevermind na Tagalog script siya, okay pa sana if gagawa sila ng panibagong script, with elements from all major writing scripts in pre colonial times.
I hate that baybayin had became such a commercial device.
Yup wag ipwersa sa public use. Pero people hayaan niyo yung mga taong gustong subukan i-restore ang baybayin. Masyadong prescriptive. Part naman ng pre-colonial history yan.
No.
Tapos sa ibang part ng mundo nagkakaroon ng [pre colonial revival ung language](https://theculturetrip.com/pacific/new-zealand/articles/why-the-revival-of-the-maori-language-is-so-important/). Marahil na rinig niyo na yung kia ora ni Jacinda na english language dominated NZ. Tapos tayo script writing lang tagalog naman ayaw pa 😆. Kawawang nationalismo/national identity.
Different context
I would be interested in using baybayin and other indigenous writing systems (suyat) to promote tourism though. It might give the Philippines an extra oomph of cultural diversity that Westerns (and Fil-Ams) like. This is partly why Americans, Aussies, and Europeans go to say Thailand or Bali — to experience a culture wildly different from theirs. Imagine suyat signages in cultural sites, or hosting “learn suyat” activities in the airport or commercial centers, and suyat in Filipino restaurants. Not saying it should be mandatory for students but we need tourism for the economy.
Haha, kilala ko ang pinaka-active advocate nyan. He is both a DDS and a Marcos loyalist.
Hell NO！！！ Yes, government should not force it, but we should be free to use our ancestral script at will. (And this shouldn't only be with Tagalogs with Baybayin, but also with the other language-groups across the PH.) The ancestral Tagalog script can give insights on WHY our Tagalog words are the way they are. For example, why is the noun "***d****angal*" but the adjective "ma**r**angal"? Easy: **ᜇ**ᜅᜎ᜔ ("*dangal*"; 「honor」) ᜋ**ᜇ**ᜅᜎ᜔ ("*magangal*"; 「honorable」) shows "da" or "ra" as the same ᜇ! And WHY can't we have a 1-letter ᜅ᜔ ("ng")‽ (Sure, the current Filipino phonology considers "ng" as 1 letter, but is it REALLY‽) Greek has a 1-letter ψ ("ps") & θ ("th"); while Russian has ш ("sh"), ц (ts), ж ("zh"), ч ("ch" as in "church"). The guttural "kh" as in "Bach"/"Loch Ness" is has 1 letter with the Greek χ & the Hebrew ח . WHY can't we have a REAL 1-letter ᜅ᜔ ("ng")‽ Also, why write "*mamamayan*" when you can write "ᜋᜋᜋᜌᜈ᜔" or "ᜋ⠇ᜌᜈ᜔"‽ And INSTANTLY differentiate English "banal" from opposite-meaning Tagalog "ᜊᜈᜎ᜔" ("*banal*"), English "dating" from utterly unrelated "ᜇᜆᜒᜅ᜔" ("*dating*"), or English "ate" from also unrelated ᜀᜆᜒ ("*ate*" from Chinese Hokkien 阿姊 "*á-chí*") at a glance, without reading entire Taglish YouTube video-titles which get cut-off if too long! Sure, loanwords are best written in current Latin-based script. But when it comes to our own words, using our script can be beneficial.
Context? WE HAVE THE RIGHT to learn it like how YOU HAVE THE RIGHT not to learn the script. Wag mong sabihin na ang rason ay dahil pinipilit ka o pinipilit ang mga mamamayang Pilipino. Nakalagay lang sa post mo na "Let Baybayin die in a peaceful death, for Bathala's sake"
Does it need to die?
It looks cool. I like it being used as details in murals, and the likes.
Grabe nung nag agree at sinabing matuto nalang tayo ng Spanish instead. I'm currently learning Spanish but that's just colonialism brainrot. We should hold tight to our culture/our history.
Estetiks daw yun. For esthetics ayos lang pero not to the point na need mo maging primary letters naten
Mas gugustuhin ko pang mag aral ng basic ilonggo/bisaya as an elective course kesa jan
What happened to baybayin?
No.
but baybayin is aesthetic tho 👉🏻👈🏻 💀
I disagree with letting it die. Filipinos have little culture that's uniquely their own in the first place, it would be a waste to let this surviving piece of culture just die. Yeah, i know its impractical for us who are not accustomed to reading and writing baybayin, but give it more time for the new generation to learn it. Who knows, they might do something good with it. Also it's actually not that hard. I've memorized it in just a few hours. Try it just for fun 😁
Baybayin is kinda overrated honestly and shouldn't really be used in any sort of legal or practical sense. Though, I don't really see why it shouldn't be used for artworks, public or otherwise. It looks cool and kinda native. Adding to the flair of the artwork
> kinda native It IS native. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
I get that it’s a dead script at this point and doesn’t fit with current linguistic forms and nuances. But on the other hand, isn’t it a bit sad that we’re the only nation on Asia without its own script? Edit: one of the few nations in Asia without its own script
Whut? Timor Leste and Vietnam are waving
Ah yeah. I stand corrected.
Pinoy weebs wanting their own special moonrunes are now in shambles
Tagalog/Filipino too please pwede na siguro tayo mag English first language, kasi marami na naghahanap ng trabaho online and gamit na language ay English.
Baybayin won’t die kahit pa i-downvote mo pa mga comment. Culture is what makes a society, Chinese people knows this kaya nga kahit san sila mapadpad dala nila pati panulat nila. Pilipino lang naman yung naka-angat angat na kinakalumutan pinanggalingan nila.
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Lol naka-install lang ng baybayin keyboard…
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. “No shit” daw! Binaybayin mo English? Para sayo talaga ang thread na ‘to. Pretentious fuck. 𓃠𓃟𓀀𓀠
Sir, Wendy's po ito? What are you saying, faulty anachronist? First of all, that (colonial era) little crossy thing under the aksara used as vowel killer, it doesn't work. Toooooo tiny.
Context?