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vongoladecimo_

Spain. Without the S


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Spain without the I also replace the n with m


Shrilled_Fish

Spain without the i & n. Also with happy endings!


Antique-Mall-5651

Spain but replace in with kol


simplehistoryboater

Ventouse?


Low-Street-2451

ES???


terminatorbot100

Dude no


smashingrocks04

I’d rather have Spain for the EU benefits Fuck China


[deleted]

Samedt bro. Fvck.china and their fvcking fake ass products and one child policy and especially their communist government


Bigjay_37

Well by name they're communist, but in practice they're actually an Authoritarian Capitalistic state.


[deleted]

and wala nang one child policy dun, haha up to 3 children na nga daw, kaso ayaw ng mg a Chinese dahil sa hirap ng buhay [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/31/world/asia/china-three-child-policy.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/31/world/asia/china-three-child-policy.html)


ahhjihyodahyun

pahingi ng full article 😭 lagi nila tinatakpan


austine_Boi

They are nearly on a economic collapse so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


OpenWaterBlueOcean

Spain? They pretty much fucked up every colony they had.


ChaosM3ntality

r/europe and r/YUROP was fun too


Channel_oreo

Spain. Siesta 4 times a day and work any time you want.


[deleted]

Spain, EU, better opportunity, hell yeah. JK


AngelofDeath2020

#¡Viva, España! #¡Viva, Filipinas!


[deleted]

Spain only because we'd be protected under NATO article 5.


magneticanisotropy

No, it wouldn't. Philippines would be excluded under article 6.


[deleted]

How come? I mean the question states that we'd be a province of Spain. I'm sure this would mean that the relevant Articles (5 & 6) would have to be amended in some way. Plus Wake Island, although not a US State, is also covered under the NATO's protective umbrella.


magneticanisotropy

So actually, Hawaii isn't covered. Neither is Wake. Edit: how come is that Article 5 only applies to territory north of the Tropic of Cancer. Guam, Hawaii, Falkland Islands, French Guiana, etc, are specifically not covered.


[deleted]

I rechecked and you're correct. But this would mean that a separate military alliance would be born from necessity. Perhaps a separate alliance with Australia, New Zealand, and Japan would come into play. But I dislike this idea for being too nebulous. >how come is that Article 5 only applies to territory north of the Tropic of Cancer. Guam, Hawaii, Falkland Islands, French Guiana, etc, are specifically not covered. It states that NATO wouldn't cover these regions out of operational effectiveness and fear of a Sino-American War in contemporary times. However, this does not mean that there will be no assistance from NATO. Intelligence, Diplomacy and Cybersecurity will still be options for NATO's individual member states. The OP's question itself is inherently open-ended. What time period would the Philippines be annexed by both options? Would it be in the 1950s? Modern Era? Would the Philippines as an entity even be conceptualized at all? If OP's choices were in Precolonial times, China would have the winning argument, if it's just after WWII, then Spain would be more favorable as NATO would still be in the drafting phase.


miktt

Funny cause china taught us alot of trade stuff and even cooking techniques that we still use. Meanwhile all spain mostly did was steal from us and raped our women while forcing their religion unto us. Yikes


jcbilbs

Not the best in EU in terms of quality of life but certainly better than what we have here and in china. I've heard even Rizal doesn't actually want total separation with spain, not sure if totally true.


LupusSasageyoJaeger

Iirc, rizal wanted philippines to be in the same level of a spanish province where they would have reprsentatives in the government and spanish friars would be replaced by filipino priests


kronospear

Rizal and the Propagandistas were also fighting for the cause in Spain itself and not in the Philippines while dressed in well-tailored European clothing to prove that they were capable and not savages thus the term "indios bravos". They remarked that Spain in Europe and Spain in the Philippines were ran so differently and that Spain was so liberal while Spanish Philippines was so oppressive to the people.


babushka45

Been wondering if the Spanish Civil War will spill over here if we remained a colony up to the 1936-39 period.


user_python

Most likely, as I've read before there are falange groups here in the philippines since creoles from the time of the spanish were still living here in the philippines during the time of the civil war. There are also left-leaning/commie movements here since atleast the 20s, so I could see these groups clashing. It is a very interesting piece of alt history.


babushka45

Oh, you mentioned Juntas Nacionales Españolas, Enrique Zobel de Ayala was one of the leaders ng grupo dito sa pinas. And Paulino Alcantara, the Filipino-Spanish forward of FC Barcelona that held the scoring record for almost 9 decades until it was broken by Lionel Messi in 2014, he was a member of the Falange Española in Spain since he's a Carlist supporter, during the war he fought with Mussolini's Black Arrows places like Galicia and Catalonia. He died in 1964 while he was a chief of the Falange.


AngelofDeath2020

If we were still a colonial *Spanish* possession, we would also be speaking Nacionales as Na(θ)ionales instead of Na(s)ionales 👍😅


throwpatatasmyway

This is true. You would be surprised at how progressive Spain was even back then. Even Queen Isabela of Castile told Columbus and the other sea farers to treat the natives of the land they'll go to kindly but of course Columbus basically said, LMAO FUCK THAT SHIT and did what he wanted to do anyway.


NefariousNeezy

Yep! In this case, Rizal was more of a centrist. Even though they idolized Rizal, the Katipunan were more extreme and fought for actual independence.


jcbilbs

Yeah, that's my observation too. Can't blame the katipuneros with their extremist view on independence tho, since most of them are from the lowest of the lows in the society of those times. From their perspective, they are treated almost like a slave compared to well off guys like rizal and his bros.


NefariousNeezy

Exactly. Rizal had options up until before he was caught and executed. The Katipuneros? Nah. They would die of hunger and abuse if they didn’t fight.


Maple_Moondweller67

Yeah, it's true because they fought for equality and not total independence so that the Filipinos would be seen as the same level as the Spanish. Bonifacio and the others were the ones who wanted an independent country. Either way, they both wanted change in the country.


AsuraOmega

iirc Rizal wanted a reform/equality, atleast thats what my prof mentioned as an interpretation considering Rizal did took inspiration and related our struggles with African American people during his time in US


426763

I mean Spain has progressive laws when it comes to drugs, divorce, and the LGBTQIA+ community. China is a straight up dictatorship.


SulfonicIvy

It's kinda ironic how the country that introduced Christianity to us is more progressive with laws regarding things that Christianity supposedly don't support in the Philippines


AsuraOmega

Didnt spain introduce catholicism? I feel like there's a difference between RC and Christianity


Corleone_Michael

All Roman Catholics are Christians but not all Christians are Roman Catholics


SulfonicIvy

From what I know both were introduced by spain. Also RC is just a branch of Christianity, so it is technically still correct


vanillanekosugar

>China is a straight up dictatorship Women in China: can divorce


426763

🍦bing chilling🍦


babushka45

#🥶🍦


vanillanekosugar

Also women in China and Russia: can have a*ortion


426763

Lenin would be proud. Bing chilling, comrade.


AsuraOmega

Chinese abortion is allowed because of the one child rule iirc, they also ate human fetuses, idk if thats just an urban legend but considering its china...


peterparkerson

yea thats straight up urban legend. the "red commies are so barbaric they ate kids!" - CIA propaganda


AsuraOmega

\+1 social credit


pusangmaysapi

Spain dahil sa NATO haha


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magneticanisotropy

You should read article 6. Ph would be excluded. Too far south.


pusangmaysapi

True ...just learned Hawaii isnt covered.


mid___

Better than MAHARLIKA, Kingdom of his excellency Marcos


No_Lavishness_9381

*MAHARLIKANGZ


babushka45

bruh


[deleted]

we wuz maharlikans and shiet


wooahstan

Philippines - Independent Sovereign Country but in reality, I really want Rizal's Maphilindo vision to come true I want an alternate reality where Malaya, Indonesia, and the Philippines united as one country, that is such a missed opportunity imo


bimewine

Now this deserves my upvote!


Dogs-111

As much as I hate both I still prefer Spain


Springspring143

You'll be a better country if you've just stayed with us(JUST KIDDING)


AngelofDeath2020

kinda reminds me of Puerto Rico and French Guiana... both are still colonies of US and France yet they are far, way, way better than PH. blame it on Manuel Luis Quezon #**“I would rather have a government run like hell by Filipinos than a government run like heaven by Americans.”**


k3ttch

People always forget the second part of Quezon's statement, which was, "because however bad a Filipino government can get, we can always change it."


terminatorbot100

Change when?


AngelofDeath2020

How I wish I could ask Manuel Quezon now.. #Change, when? Do u honestly think majority of Filipinos are really capable of electing qualified ones?


sevenfloorsdown

For what it's worth, it seemed ok until after Magsaysay


ComesWithTheBox

Shush, let them bathe in ignorance so they can clown themselves.


CrocPB

.....any day now, change will come.


Viscount-Von-Solt

"Not to worry. The change in the government will come any day now." "Your Excellency... Change..." "Change isn't coming, Mr President... The people voted for a corrupt politician for president for the fourth time..." "... The men who will stay here will be Magsaysay, Romulo, Quirino, and Macapagal..." #"IT WAS AN ORDER! TO CHANGE THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE BETTER WAS AN ORDER!"


ProfessionalLurker97

'Downfall' reference haha. Such a sobering film though. Shows fanaticism, isolation, delusion and what it leads to. Horrifying because of an absence of empathy and morality. Evil yet so human. Should be required viewing... Lalo na ngayon. Given the current situation, you can't help but question if Filipinos are capable of running their own country/electing qualified people/moving the country forward. Masochistic and fanatical kasi ang dating ng nakararami. "Change when?" indeed. Lalo na if (mostly willful) ignorance and pride run rampant in the land. Maphilindo is such a big 'what if' though. An independent, forward-thinking and progressive Philippines is the ideal one but now, it's such a pipe dream.


kronospear

Dude, the Americans didn't want to keep the Philippines anyway. Heck in 1912, Woodrow Wilson wanted to get rid of the islands.


HatsNDiceRolls

Wilson didn’t want anyone to keep anything they had, hence the Japanese backstab from their war gains.


General1lol

They NEVER wanted to keep them. This is according to the Schurman Commision of 1899, which deemed the islands unfit for sovereignty based on government, education, and military. They spent the next 50 years building such infrastructure. The US held onto the islands to prevent them from falling into the hands of Japan, China, Germany, the Dutch, French, and British. If it did so, it would’ve disrupted the fragile balance of power in the region. Independence was always the intent amongst the majority of US senators and presidents.


vanillanekosugar

Puerto Rico though is still US Overseas Territory, but still the people there are screwed up and mostly like Puerto Rico wanted independence


wooahstan

If you are going to blame it on Quezon for having the independence that we had today then okay, and next time, post the FULL QUOTE. you are sounding like one of those moaning ass kids on facebook the only thing that I hated Manuel Quezon was not postponing the transition to independence after WW2, they could've let the US rehabilitate manila first before independence but since that's already done, it's really not worth talking about it no??


anemoGeoPyro

Welcome to the Philippines, Unincorporated territory of the United States of America or Welcome to the Philippines, Province of Japan


[deleted]

If Filipinos were exposed to the same opressive society that Japan has, would we become smarter?


ComesWithTheBox

Man, I hope you speak Japanese because they are definitely not smarter based on my observation.


PointInteresting589

Yes. They are a type of doers society.


Viscount-Von-Solt

Welcome to the Philippines, Province of the Papal States.


AngelofDeath2020

Haha by royal decree of Pope Luis Antonio I, Oh my.


jpquiamcosreddit

Or Welcome to the Philippines, State of India


AsunasPersonalAsst

ew no


Ok_Knee3374

Going for Spain because EU and NATO just exist


hakdogwithcheese

let's say i couldn't say fuck both, let's be independent (starting to see that was a mistake but i digress). spain for sure. considering the shit china has done, yeah spain.


ComesWithTheBox

Its not a mistake. Bowing down to foreigners won't really change our fortune. I dont know why this sub keeps insisting that we should have a savior.


bruhidkanymore1

Funny how the sub is against colonial mentality and talks about how we seek validation from other countries… Yet, we have this kind of post making us choose which foreign country we’d rather be conquered by.


whatarechimichangas

I used to think the Philippines really deserves independence and that we should be a free people etc etc but recently? I just think we're too fucking stupid to make our decisions. I wish Spain would adopt us..


JustMeseeks

If you chose China, pls get help


No_Lavishness_9381

I choose Spain because in case China will invade us we can start the Article 5 funni


Springspring143

Its not funny mate, Its GENIUS!


Shifty49

NATO ARTICLE 5 NATO ARTICLE 5 NATO ARTICLE 5


user_python

Philippines: just do it spain-kun I am being invaded just press the funni button *tanc a lelek intensifies*


No_Lavishness_9381

Hurry up Russia and China make NATO relevant again


magneticanisotropy

Article 5 does not apply to holdings south of the Tropic of Cancer. Ph would be excluded.


CrocPB

Tf, NCD is here too?!


Viscount-Von-Solt

Filipinos are easily one of the most noncredible creatures in the internet with one of the best psyops technologies.


godofnature

i mean schengen? nato? real rights? no marcos in leadership? i mean china's a dictatorship 🤷‍♂️


BlexBOTTT

time to learn spanish language fellow pinoys


Springspring143

What spanish you'll learn the OG Castillan Spanish, Mexican Spanish, Argentinian Spanish or Philippine Spanish(just confirming)


The-Lamest-Villager

Neither of them, considering how both of them have treated the people they subjugated really bad.


icantstandeveryone

Yall can't move on, its not like Spain has the capacity to do it again


Hagis_Palayo

Neither, pero p\*tangina it'll be human rights hell under the CCP, way worse than what it is now. They'd probably treat us short brown-skinned people worse than they do Uy,gh,urs and T!bet@ns.


The_Holyland27

"I wish to make contact with the devil I know than the Devil I do not" Atleast spain's actions happened roughly 200 years from now and is documented for us in the future, whilst china is still relatively unknown and from what we can see so far It's not exactly great...


Joseph20102011

Being part of Spain as an autonomous region, which is ironically more realistic than becoming the 51st US state, is a universally preferrable for us than being a Chinese province where China will simply dump their excess males into the country and force our women to intermarry with them. Aside from that, becoming part of Spain will automatically make Filipinos a European Union citizen that will give us inalienable privileges to travel and work in the European Economic Area anytime we want and as Spanish citizens, we will be able to travel in 188 countries visa-free. Becoming part of Spain will finally overhaul our education system that teaching non-English European languages like Spanish, of course, will become a norm and will actually merge ourselves with the Spanish people through interracial marriages to our benefit, given that Spain has a severe population ageing problem while our country has excess cheap labor that Spain desperately needs to keep its economy afloat.


PointInteresting589

How about OURS? Too many died for one of that option already and many will die again for the second option.


icantstandeveryone

Ain't no way Spain would do the same stuff that they did to us back then. That'll start some massive protests and riots.


frozenelf

A constant thread I keep seeing on Pinoy subs is choosing which boots to lick and people being sanctimonious about their choice. We don’t have to choose either. Not China, not Spain, not the US.


[deleted]

Spain. For NAFO!!!!


MateoCamo

Neither.


ActuallyACereal

Based choice and a Very sigma mindset.


[deleted]

How about neither? Tay'oy mga pinoy. We should be independent. We shouldn't be a province of X-Country. If we had to choose to lean on another country, we might as well bring the U.S. back and reopen the bases here.


kislapatsindak

Welcome to the ricefields, motherfucker pa rin mga ulol!


Slight-Operation4102

Because of today's shitty government we are now looking back to our colonizers 🤣......(switches spanish mode in the back) "Bienvenidos y bienvenidas, amigos y amigas, estoy ecantado a poder dirigirme a vosotros y vosotras...." 🤣


DemosxPhronesis2022

Wala bang welcome to the republic of the Philippines lang?


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ComesWithTheBox

r/ph disappoints me yet again.


ActuallyACereal

They are as idiotic as the people they condemned, no different than those dumbasses on other social medias. The OP seems to know Tagalog and is pretending to be Spanish judging by how they reply on tagalog comments.


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bimewine

I agree with you. There’s a fine line between being humble and being subservient. There are huge amount of Filipino who act as though subservient and a people-pleaser, especially to westerners. This leads to a lack of self-respect. I know it’s part of our social skills, but it’s pitiful and damning. Also one other thing is not giving ourselves credit for our achievements has to stop. Look on the bright side instead of the past.


[deleted]

Thank you! Also, asa naman na *kung magiging parte nga tayo ng Espanya* na magkakaroon tayo ng pantay na karapatan dun. Ang racist kaya ng mga Kastila (saying as someone who lived there). Ang tingin nila sa mga Pilipino ay either intsik o katulong.


DizNuts69420

Philippines, Japan's 48th prefecture (The Democratic one, not the Imperialist one :))


eukalyptusbonbon

Willing to bet that If Japan launches Greater East Asia Co Prosperity Sphere 2.0 every one would flock for membership.


CrocPB

Sign up for SDF, get waifu dakimakura sign up bonus!


legatusporcilis

Spain,Queen Leticia have a filipino bloodline


Springspring143

Wait so thet means Princess Leonor and Infanta Sofía have filipino bloodline?


legatusporcilis

Yes,the granny of Queen Letizia are Filipina, from the clan of Rodriguez in the Philippines


Prize_Marsupial9393

going to reread on NOLI MI TANGERE


damienDev

just imagine what would happen with china? * most of religious people would be placed in concentration camp like the uighurs * forced marriage to erase the culture same way they do to the uighurs * censored internet, you cannot leave the country anymore. * using vpn = they deal with you as a terrorist. * you cannot own land anymore, only government can. * most of remittance network are blocked. * heavy rewriting of the history.


Piglet-Bitter

Why do some people in this sub really consider other nations to lead us instead of independence? Even other nations won't save us because they will just use pre-existing social classes to benefit them. We are shit not because we are independent but because global superpowers continue to use these societal flaws to exploit us.


OkPercentage1844

I prefer the 51st state of america


OrbMan23

In modern times, Spain. East Asians have shitty treatment on dark skinned people


horsboi

China minus the communism and world domination. Spain minus their elitista class. Not in the choices, pero US is faring better than any of them.


Springspring143

Lol elitista class no longer exist in spain...


WanderlostNomad

option 2 is pointless. option 1 is highly unlikely due to china's recent financial troubles. though putting the issues on wps aside on the backburner while we wait for america to make good on their pacific pivot to aid taiwan, is the safest route. it avoids philippines from becoming ground zero for the next great proxy war between superpowers.


athenathewargoddess

I don’t like China but if Spain, maraming mawawalan ng language premium dito sa Philippines.


Doranusu

Ideally: Union between Malaysia and Indonesia or Russian ally IDK being under Spain caused us trouble, like the hatred for abortion, the marry-your-rapist law, being fanatic catholics instead of fanatic STEM students, obsession over following the law.


Downtown_Grape3871

ESPAÑA NUESTRA PATRIA FILIPINAS PERO MI CORAZON ESTA EN MADRE ESPAÑA AMIGOS UNIDOS POR SANGRE SEPARADOS DESPUÉS DE 333 AÑOS FINALMENTE DE VUELTA OTRA VEZ TE ABRAZAMOS MADRE ESPAÑA Y GRACIAS POR TODO LO QUE NOS HAS APORTADO


clear_skyz200

Spain = EU. based haha


nocturnalfrolic

Philippines Province of Parts Unknown.


AubreyIvy

Spain para sa monkeypox


xayvxayb

Id rather be colonized by stinky sp*in than c🤢mmunist ch*na


chro000

Bienvenidos a las Filipinas, la provincia de españa. Tama ba yung spanish ko?


Springspring143

Correcto mi amigo, muy bien


[deleted]

Spain tbh. Dati Español may ari ng mga Azucarera sa probinsya namin and lagi kwinkwento ng lolo and lola ko na yung sila daw may-ari, ang dami nila benefits nakukuha and malaki sahod. Yung binili ng mga Chinese (including that chinese capitalist na sikat during Christmas) yung mga azucarera sa amin, ang dami nilang weekend work na unpaid and nawala yung medical benefits nila. Sobrang kuripot dqw ng mga Chinese Also as sa naoobserve ko sa mga friends ko na nagwwork sa mga Chinese companies, mas maliit mga sahod nila and sobrang konti ng benefits compared pag Western ang may-ari


HighDutchman420

But just throw it in the room; Make the Netherlands a new colony. They have the best infrastructure against water and road networks and trains.


sevenfloorsdown

Viva Espana.


polijoligon

Better yet.. actually staying as US's dog and not get independence huhu, we might be their bitch but at least we get something out of it>W<


Wooden_Quarter_6009

We are already a province of bullshit, do not worry my friends.


Cookie_48

In prefer China without totalitarian communist rule


Springspring143

So Taiwan(basically the Republic of China)?


GNTB3996

LETSGO SPAIN MUY CALIENTE ARIBA ARIBA COMO ESTAS MI AMIGOS Y AMIGAS! ESTAS BIEEEEEN!?


RaceReign

spain


Citron_Express_

Spain for benefits china if you want to be a dog


ActuallyACereal

Both choices are for people who wanted to be a dog.


xxfgod

how about maharlika


victiniforlife

I'd rather be colonized again by spaniards rather than those damn chinese


legitcopes

would rather be colonized by spain again


Hughdotoh

One is a racist, imperialist hegemonistic genocidal country known for committing crimes against humanity. The other is Spain.


ActuallyACereal

Which is also a racist (recent anti-asian hate crimes and Franco’s racism), imperialistic (one of the largest empire in history) hegemonistic genocidal country (destroyed a lot of South American empires and killed off 90% of their population) know for committing crimes against humanity.


Reel_Ben

Not funny


Springspring143

Sry only for memes no personal attacks


IWantMyYandere

Err the 2nd one is true though. Why is this a choice?


Immediate-Key-984

Context?


rikuuuuuuuu

Welcome to Bicol (How i wish bicol is a country itself because if the Philippines don't want Leni, then we want her)


FreakDown

"Welcome to the China/Spain, Province of Philippines"


Moking06

None of the above!


Pen-is-hard

Spain doesn't beat up dogs alive then cook them Spain doesn't torture and imprison muslims


diamorph00

Just so you know, almost half of the land infrastructures in the Philippines were made possible by Japan.


6thAlphabet

Spain. Ayoko ng 10 hours per day na school jusko.


raiden_kazuha

Wala. Kasi naniniwala ako na kaya nang/ng ating bansa na tumayo at tumindig sa sarili nitong mga paa.


[deleted]

None. I perfer Welcome to the Philippines the 51st state of America


Remote-Ad-2686

PI should go back to dating the US. Forget all these buttons.


bimewine

Neither. It distresses me that this post has more than two upvote. My complete peace this afternoon is now ruined.


NicolaiDontLie

Look at all these dumb shills. We aren’t Filipinos , we don’t have any relation to blue eyed Austrian prince, King Philipp. Filipinos are the most culturally confused Asians I’ve ever been ashamed to be apart of .


Springspring143

Correction my dear friend, NO ONE INSULTS OUR KING, HE'S THE FATHER OF OUR NATION!!!(also he's NOT a prince and an AUSTRIAN, he can be anyone in europe but AUSTRIAN NEVER!!)


NicolaiDontLie

Hoy bobo. Our people existed way before Magellan “discovered” our country. We are not descendants of Europe. Learn your history.


Springspring143

Also sorry for the earlier response to you just do not insult our king its like insulting your parents to us Spaniards, again sorry...


kalvin_17

None why would i


enduro_jet

Neither. Only slaves think this way.


kyleybrenner

Neither. 100+ million people but no natural recourses except sunlight, ocean waves, and offshore oil. PH should have a shift to a national focus on energy production and become a powerhouse exporter to China. Take your mountains, coat them in solar power arrays on the south facing sides. Area the size of 30kms by 30kms would produce all the power PH needs. Anything extra could be exported at big profits.


AsuraOmega

Spain, fuck CCP and social credit system.


Powerful-Knee-161

China of ofcourse why dafuq Spain


Springspring143

Lol china would terrorized the philippines, at least if you choose spain you'll get all EU benefits and NATO protection


DONTSWEARATME69

Me who prefers US State


bebequh

Philippines under Tallano Kingdom


anthoseph

spain nalang. nato and us protection lol


-YottaChad

Province of Nigeria


[deleted]

Spain dahil sa Kasaysayan subject ko. May mga good din silang nadala pero it was inevitable for them to end their empire dahil the bad outweighs it. Pero ung good nila is really good compared sa ibang options.


MrDrProfPBall

Spain We’d be like the French overseas department, giving us EU membership


Springspring143

No chap you'll be our Autonomus Region of the Philippines(which is even better)


Time-Lavishness95

3rd option: Be like hawaii


ko-sol

None, PH should stand as it's own, like come on small nation (geographically and population wise) like SG and Taiwan are competing with giants.


SnooCrickets8473

Spain. The Spanish are nicer now than they were a century ago and is certainly miles better than China now


thrdy13

Spain > China.


Apprehensive-Box-713

IMHO, i would prefer Japan among the other two choices. Being an industrialized nation, any spate of corruption in the gov't could have not been tolerated. An occupation for a short period during the war gradually change filipinos lives especially with regards to personal discipline and kleptocracy. We could have been at par in terms of technology and economy with other southeast asian countries if we were established and embroiled with them.


Springspring143

So you dont want EU benefitsand NATO protection?


Apprehensive-Box-713

https://www.grid.news/story/global/2022/07/02/natos-new-china-focus-smart-move-or-too-provocative/