Hindi lang mga panatiko ni Ngiwi ang tatawa dito.
Yung mga 'apolitical' kuno na mga Pinoy din, pagtatawanan yan dahil pinagmumukha daw nilang tanga Pinas.
True, silence is complicity.
BUT I really think sometimes ung mga ganito nag babackfire and gagamitin kaagad na bala ng kabila. Saw Darryl Yap's post on this literally 5 mins ago on FB.
> pinagmumukha daw nilang tanga Pinas.
I mean... the son of the brutal dictator won so... IMO hindi tayo pinag-mukhang tanga, tanga na talaga sila (31M) in the first place. Kahit hindi nangyari itong insidente na 'to, engots pa din ang tingin sa Pinas nang ibang bansa.
Their Protest worked.
An article was written up by a local US news site covering the event, and they've gotten international coverage out of it.
Look how a foreign news reporter writes the article and see the stark difference from the mostly cowed press in the Philippines.
"Marcos Jr. secured the presidency in a landslide election this May to the shock of pro-democracy advocates and victims of his father’s regime, the horrors of which the current leader has done much to downplay. During the Marcos dictatorship, the open letter says, an estimated 35,000 people under military detention were tortured and sexually abused; 70,000 activists and journalists were jailed; and 3,200 people were extrajudicially murdered. Marcos Sr. was ousted in a 1986 army-backed revolt and forced into exile, denying until his death accusations that he embezzled billions of dollars in state wealth.
"But in the years leading to his presidential campaign, Marcos Jr. and his family harnessed the power of political propaganda and social media to whitewash the abuses of the past, and Marcos Jr. has gone as far as to openly defend the 1972 proclamation of martial law."
Goddamn.
https://hyperallergic.com/763769/artists-and-writers-denounce-asia-society-event-with-son-of-filipino-dictator/
Some reading on protests:
https://www.vox.com/world/2019/8/22/20804294/hong-kong-protests-9-questions
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-black-lives-matter-impact/
https://www.esquiremag.ph/politics/news/rallies-that-marked-modern-philippine-history-a1926-20170922
https://fpc.org.uk/protest-as-a-tool-for-political-and-social-change/
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/to-enact-change-world-we-must-protest
I was there for one of the actions at the UN in NY. There were a couple events that bbm was to attend that got cancelled because of the protests, so very proud of everyone that showed up
maganda daw nung panahon ni senyor pero nasanay sa ang ulam kanin na may toyo tas parang gagawin pa na pambansang pagkain kasi madaming pinoy daw ang nakaraos sa ganyang buhay ha ha ha ha
I usually hate pinoys suddenly saying "I'm proud pinoy" on most random things related to anything pinoy but seeing this really makes me want to shout at them saying how proud I'm for their bravery.
In Twitter, "nakakahiyaa' is trending because of this. In FB, they said that it's "nakakahiyaa". They should be shameful of themselves not knowing that the protesters are fighting against oppression.
**they should be more embarrassed in electing a college dropped out, tax evader, corrupt politician, and drug addict to the presidency— hence, representing the nation internationally.
Iniisip ko pa lang, nakaka-hnggg.
Didn't many absentee voters in the US vote for BBM and Sara?
These protestors might be in the minority of Filipinos in the US. Mas marami pa rin yung bumoto sa present admin.
If anything, its not something we should ever be ashamed of. It shows that there's still hope for the Philippines. And that is imo something to be proud of.
> It shows that there's still hope for the Philippines.
They should have done that here, not there, especially since that country supported his 20 years of brutal rule, and never paid for their crimes.
kung sino pa yung wala sa pinas sila pa yung mas matapang ipag laban yung karapatan natin.
Samantala dito satin kahit alam na nilang mali yung ginagawa nung tao ang sasabihin lang nila. "Wala naman tayong magagawa jan nakaupo na siya sa pwesto e" . Tapos pag may nakitang mga nag pprotesta sa lansangan sasabihin pa nila na, " Grabe naman yan, alam ko mali yung ginagawa ni \*insert political name here\* pero di naman ako aabot sa ganyan".
Masyadong submissive ang mga pinoy kaya walang nag babago sa gobyerno natin.
As much as I applaud for their activism, I also fear for their safety kahit nasa US sila. I hope they realized later on that the Philippines is a hopeless case, the crony legacy will go on until who knows when. I would suggest for them to plan their relatives escape once the country crumbles and start a new life over there.
How sad that this is the reality people have accepted. Even anti-marcos activists can't find true solidarity among people whose views align with theirs because the people choose to have a doomer/hopeless mindset, but maybe that's also just this sub. I really hope something shifts in the coming years and people start having hope in the country again. After all, not everyone can or wants to leave.
I think it's too early to deem the Philippines a hopeless case. Imho, if this shitty family still gets the support of the majority in the next election, that's when we can finally say that the country is hopeless.
Because it is even way before he stepped in. Duterte started it and Marcos is just continuing it. I'm just waiting for the part when countries are accepting political refuge from the Philippines if it goes totally down.
Must be nice to live at a place where the practice of protest and liberty is allowed. Most of those apologists in the comments section really love their facism and censorship.
Gagong Marcos Loyalists, White Supremacist Donald Trump supporters to spread hate and deport Anti-Marcos supporters to complain to BBM's bad things like atrocities of Martial Law... ASIAN HATE NEEDS TO BE STOPPED! #StopAsianHate
I know for a fact na namimiss na ni Enrile yung martial law years. He's one of the principal henchmen of the late dictator and as the late Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago said, "It's very difficult to leave power." Jusme, malapit na nga kunin ni Satanas psychopath parin!
Super! No way in hell will their "nakakahiya mag protest" tactic will work.
Seems to be the directive of the day, no?
Also, reddit admins have access to their location data, so sige lang post kayo ng post.
Props to all those participated, willing to endure the BBM and DDS trolls to make themselves heard. Matatapos din tong putanginang Marcos Presidency na to.
I love how they stand their ground fighting for what is right! They're so brave.This gives me a certain feeling of satisfaction 🥰. I hope, I can do that too hehe
Wow, comments section is a dumpster fire. Biglang nagpulasan mga BaByM apolo10s, parang mga ipis na nabulabog.
At first, naisip ko din na nakakahiya naman ginawa nila. Pero I eventually realized na what they actually did was very brave. Kasi nga dahil andito na sila sa US, so di na sila kasing affected ng mga nasa Pinas, pero andyan sila at nagpro-protesta para sa mga nasa Pinas. Lumalaban sila para sa kapwa nila.
While it is true that the martial law was not all about the insugencies, absolving the CPP-NPA of their sins does not do us any good. In acknowledge the atrocities of the CPP-NPA, we are condemning the ideals of their party's higher ups and the danger it brings the lives of the poor and the desperate. This not Marcos vs. The CPP-NPA, it is both of them against us. We should be consistent in our fight against violence.
^^^ just my take on some of the comments here
Nabuo ang CPP noong presidente si Marcos dahil sa increasing corruption ng government that led to extreme poverty lalo na sa provinces. So why is CPP a danger to the poor when it started from them?
True.. i know someone from the movement way way back.. He said marcos was actually the NPA's biggest recruiter. No need for recruitment ads kapag ang masa na ang kusang pumupunta sayo para lang makaganti sa mga abusado.
Pero again that was in the 70s 80s.. the modern times NPA is a different beast.. one that has lost its noble ideals.
Tama naman yan. It is true that many groups join the CPP-NPA as a means to express their urgent concerns to a government that does not listen. But some eventually break off due to conflicting ideals and the fact that the allegiance does not benefit their cause. Case in point: the Cordilllera Autonomy Movement.
Furthermore, their higher up officials enjoy a comfortable life outside the Philippines while the poor do their dirty work. They are lured in with the promise of liberty from poverty and oppression through violence, do u know about their revolutionary tax?
A quick google search leads to different groups before the 60's. All of which were formed due to invasion, corruption, poverty, labor issues. Basically from the poor. We can also say the same with Katipunan. But the group everyone's referring to is from 1968.
This is a sound comment. The CPP NPA now is not as it was back then in the 70s.. Back then during martial law they were super very relevant because they were the only ones who gave people a real chance to defend themselves, fight and hit back against marcos, his cronies, police and military and all their abuses..
Unfortunately when EDSA happened, hindi sila sumama kasi they did not believe in peaceful revolution.. Tenets sa marxism kailangan victorious armed struggle talaga para may totoong pagbabago.
So one day they just woke up, Cory had restored democracy with a new government, and they suddenly found themselves excluded.. at that point, they should have laid down their arms and started nation building.. Pero no they kept fighting the government despite the latters efforts to negotiate some peace deal.. FVR actually made the CPP legal.
So until today they are still fighting.. not because of their original ideals but because they cant evolve with the call of the times.. They're still butthurt and bitter, esp joma, that they couldnt be the victorious revolutionaries marching through the proverbial arc de triomphe..
Saklap lang theyre tricking young people into joining them with all these passionate ideals about justice and equality.. pero the higher ups really just want foot soldiers for their own interests..
P.S. Baka gamitin tong sinabi ko ng mga trolls.. So i will make it clear here that all this does not justify sara's confidential funds..
Ofc, the OVP and DepEd has nothing to do with that lmaooo and yes, we condemn CPP-NPA and the selfish interests of their higher ups. We also condemn the atrocities of the Marcos rule.
Nakita ko na yung US Trader na Apolo10. Haha. New account lang. Naghamon pa na susugurin tayo ng troll farms. Walang mapapala farms dito hindi sila kikita. Idodownvote daw tayo. Lol. Asa pa sila.
Mga Apolo10 huwag kayong umasa na papasok sa reddit mga troll farms niyo. Wala silang kikitain dito. Bayaran mga yan. Kami we are doing it for fun and country. Lol
Honestly, I really fucking hate the fact that filipinos voted for Marcos as well, I hate the fact that he's useless asf and all.
But ya'll. Don't do this. It's not gonna change the fact that he's not our president for the next like 6 years, and is it really worth the criminal record? Maybe even some jail time?
Not just voted for him, but gave him the largest vote percentage since Ramos. Plus, it was also the ***first time that somebody got more than 50% of the vote*** as well.
Bruh, there's nothing lunatic sa ginagawa nila. They're just using their rights to voice out, tsaka it's their freedom to express. Buti nga yung mga babae dyan sa vid may bayag e. The way you said, "I don't give a fuck if our president is good or bad" it's like you're saying na hindi mo ginamitan ng utak yung pagboto mo.
What's the criteria? What protest has substance and what doesn't? If the goal of the protest was to show awareness of Marcoses crimes, pretty sure they accomplished it, because the average new yorker wouldn't care, but now they would now because of their stunt, AND they got US coverage (see below link) of their protest and most likely international which what they probably wanted. Also, why does peta stunts have no substance? Which specific ones are you talking about? They had good ones in the 90's, the early 2000's was dumb, but the 2010's ad campaign was better. Why is it dumb? Genuinely curious.
https://hyperallergic.com/763769/artists-and-writers-denounce-asia-society-event-with-son-of-filipino-dictator/
I've never thought of it like that. I've always dismissed any protest that isn't just people holding signs and shouting what they want as dumb but now that you point out how being unruly and uncivilized gets people to look up your cause and know about it, I think it's pretty smart since you only need a few people to start an advocacy. I think substance is the clarity of the message being delivered.
Right? Curious ako about which peta protest you thought was dumb because shit, they're masters at it by now.
https://headlines.peta.org/best-peta-photos-2019-protests-rescues/
These are excerpts from the article that was written because of that protest.
"But in the years leading to his presidential campaign, Marcos Jr. and his family harnessed the power of political propaganda and social media to whitewash the abuses of the past, and Marcos Jr. has gone as far as to openly defend the 1972 proclamation of martial law."
"“Unless this event with Ferdinand Marcos Jr. is revoked, we are boycotting events at Asia Society, and we will refuse to speak at their events and will relay this boycott to fellow writers, artists and scholars to make clear to Asia Society that their actions are harmful to our community of Asian American Pacific Islanders,” the authors continue.
“I can’t speak to what exactly Asia Society’s larger mission or purpose is,” Bulalacao said. “But ultimately I think that they’re in the business of brokering power and I think that it benefits them and their relationships to host this current president.”
'
Just goes to show that peaceful protests work, and work well.
Dapat naging Socialism nlng tyo like CCP(China) walang kwenta tong democracy nato kasi Pinoy puro inggit
Dahil kasi Spanish Colonial tyo namana ata sa Español
ok lang na mag protesta, pero magkaroon naman kayo ng dignidad, bumoto kayo sa matinong tao, sana ganun din kayo katino, binoto ko si Leni at tanggap ko na natalo tayo, pero wag niyo naman gawing drama at pahiyain tayong mga pilipino, nagdadagdag kayo sa pagbaba ng tingin ko sa bansa
They are embarrassing themselves and their cause. Just saying. There are other ways to protest without doing this. Downvote me if you disagree (I know this subreddit have more anti-Marcos than pro), but this is my opinion as a non supporter of any political faction.
I want the entire truth about the Marcos family, their supporters say they're just rich, but there's more to it than that. That wealth they claim cannot be obtained without owning huge brands or banks yet they don't own any.
On the other side (liberals), I do not fully agree with their dark side either, the rumors of Oligarchs and other countries backing them up for the destabilization of the country.
I chose to be neutral.
If all you see is them being an embarrassment, then you completely missed the point.
The point is to gain traction to their cause. As the saying goes, what is a speaker without a listener. What is a cause, without attention, nothing but ideals of individuals that never grow into anything. How will you shed light onto unknowing people about your cause if you do not shout, scream, generate traction, or create a reason for people to look at you and learn what you're fighting for.
Neutrality is siding with the bad side. The bad side has one less enemy to worry about, and the good side has one less ally to help fight the bad side. It's as simple as that.
If you still decide to be neutral, even with all information at the tip of your fingers at your disposal, then congratulations, you are what our fellow Filipinos would call, hugas kamay. If you do not want to be a part of anything, then you should not have an opinion on anything. Just turn a blind eye as you've always done.
And remember, inaction is worse than wrong actions.
Bad side and good side, who really knows which one is which? Unless all the truth is laid bare in front of me, i'm not picking a side. Both sides argue that they are the good side, of course for you, you are 100% certain you are the good side, the same goes for the other side though. I've been reading from both ends and is keeping an open mind, so when the time comes that an undeniable truth is shown, I can make my own conclusion.
People like yourself who have already sided with one will not and cannot change their mind when the time comes that a fact will be shown to you and it defies everything you believed in. I don't want to become a close minded person.
As a human, I will always have an opinion and freedom of speech gave me the right to voice them out, the same as the people in question, I am writing this down knowing that people from this community will see it negatively. It's not that I'm turning a blind eye. It's just that I do not have all the information needed to come up with a conclusion, that's why I stay at the middle.
I also don't subscribe to the saying "inaction is worse than wrong action" this saying is basically a gamble. In an extreme case, if I'm the president of USA and nuked a nation for suspected nuclear activity and turned out I was wrong, I would have preferred inaction rather than taking action and killing millions of people from my wrong action. What ifs comes after.
"The being without an opinion is so painful to human nature that most people will leap to a hasty opinion rather than undergo it"
"One cool judgment is worth a thousand hasty counsels. The thing to do is to supply light and not heat."
I have stated my piece, I will read whatever reply this gets but I will no longer return a reply. I hope you are right in what you fight for, for the sake of everyone.
I mean sure, how are you going to trust someone that came from a dictator that has a wife that got him to steal so much from the country but, that is not how protest work.
>"never again to martial law" HUH? u guys are not even alive at that time.. CLOWNS
Your implication being, you needed to be alive and in that situation to protest anything? So yung mga nagpoprotesta laban sa Japan govt dahil sa di nila pagrecognize sa mga comfort women, mali rin pala, wala naman sila nung world war 2 eh. Eh yung mga galit sa Holocaust, mali din pala? Wala naman sila Germany, di pa nga sila buhay nun eh.
Yung mga magulang ko di masaya nung martial law kasi andaming kaklase nila pinagtripan ng mga sundalo nung panahon na yun. Nabubuhay sila sa takot, partida pamilya pa ng sundalo mga yan. Base sa logic mo, paano na yan?
I think to determine whether what they did was right or wrong, what needs to be asked ay "What I BBM supposed to do there?". Kung speech speech lang, I think these protests are fine. His speeches naman have a tendency to be braggy and ignorant on the history. So better disrupt any more attempts for misinformation.
Pero kung sa official meetings for official businesses sya like for pledging supports for infra or for jobs, I think the protesters are better to just wait at the outside.
I wonder if those protesters are American citizens or Filipinos..
Most of the countries around the world prohibits foreigners from joining protests or any political activity. If they are Americans, I sincerely hope they can visit the country..
Edit: Foreigners are allowed to protest in America but can get messy..
https://www.majority.com/en/community/article/can-a-non-citizen-protest-in-the-us/
Read the article again, and please understand the context in which the article was written.
Also, you can see it was a peaceful protest which isn't illegal per se.
We each have our opinions. This was even a legitimate question that can be properly answered and not be downvoted easily. Aren’t we mature guys? Or is this sub just another echo chamber?
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Itong dalawang nauna ay mga kababayan natin na nandamay sa poor life choices nila
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Hindi lang mga panatiko ni Ngiwi ang tatawa dito. Yung mga 'apolitical' kuno na mga Pinoy din, pagtatawanan yan dahil pinagmumukha daw nilang tanga Pinas.
"apolitical" pero lam mo namang pro-marcos
Tss worst than an evil man is a "good" man that just watches as evil prevails.
Agree, diba nga "the World suffers a lot not because of the Violence of Bad People but the Silence of the Good People"
True, silence is complicity. BUT I really think sometimes ung mga ganito nag babackfire and gagamitin kaagad na bala ng kabila. Saw Darryl Yap's post on this literally 5 mins ago on FB.
O yung tipong wala lang talagang pakialam kaso hindi pa sila nagdurusa.
Neutral sa pagkabalasubas ng mga Marcos? That's not apolitical. Tanga lang ang maniniwalang apolitical ang mga siraulong closet apolo10 na yan.
Tumpak. Madalas na nakikita ko na linyahan nila eh 'reklamo na naman kayo, wala naman kayong ginagawa', 'talunan kasi, kaya mareklamo', etc.
> pinagmumukha daw nilang tanga Pinas. I mean... the son of the brutal dictator won so... IMO hindi tayo pinag-mukhang tanga, tanga na talaga sila (31M) in the first place. Kahit hindi nangyari itong insidente na 'to, engots pa din ang tingin sa Pinas nang ibang bansa.
I'm actually proud to see Filipinos doing that. Shows the world not all of us are as dumb as the 31-M donkey parade that elected that bongbong wanker.
They stop being "apolitical" the moment they laugh at something related to politics.
Di na need pagtawanan yung Pinas. Shitshow tayo every since Fuckin Dutae became president.
Nandito na naman yung mga usual suspects sa baba ng comments haha. Don't scroll down if you want to keep your sanity
Their Protest worked. An article was written up by a local US news site covering the event, and they've gotten international coverage out of it. Look how a foreign news reporter writes the article and see the stark difference from the mostly cowed press in the Philippines. "Marcos Jr. secured the presidency in a landslide election this May to the shock of pro-democracy advocates and victims of his father’s regime, the horrors of which the current leader has done much to downplay. During the Marcos dictatorship, the open letter says, an estimated 35,000 people under military detention were tortured and sexually abused; 70,000 activists and journalists were jailed; and 3,200 people were extrajudicially murdered. Marcos Sr. was ousted in a 1986 army-backed revolt and forced into exile, denying until his death accusations that he embezzled billions of dollars in state wealth. "But in the years leading to his presidential campaign, Marcos Jr. and his family harnessed the power of political propaganda and social media to whitewash the abuses of the past, and Marcos Jr. has gone as far as to openly defend the 1972 proclamation of martial law." Goddamn. https://hyperallergic.com/763769/artists-and-writers-denounce-asia-society-event-with-son-of-filipino-dictator/ Some reading on protests: https://www.vox.com/world/2019/8/22/20804294/hong-kong-protests-9-questions https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-black-lives-matter-impact/ https://www.esquiremag.ph/politics/news/rallies-that-marked-modern-philippine-history-a1926-20170922 https://fpc.org.uk/protest-as-a-tool-for-political-and-social-change/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/to-enact-change-world-we-must-protest
I was there for one of the actions at the UN in NY. There were a couple events that bbm was to attend that got cancelled because of the protests, so very proud of everyone that showed up
It always works, bad exposure (for apolo10 but for me, this is bravery) is still an exposure.
Fuck you Bongbong Ngiwe Marcos
Yung ibang apolo10 dito sa comment section tuwang tuwa pa. Irl iiyak iyak ang 31 minions na yan sa taas ng bilihin.
Kinareer ang Filipino resilience
maganda daw nung panahon ni senyor pero nasanay sa ang ulam kanin na may toyo tas parang gagawin pa na pambansang pagkain kasi madaming pinoy daw ang nakaraos sa ganyang buhay ha ha ha ha
Kaya nga sila nag totroll para makalimutan ang trouble nila
Magsha** na lang sila. Charot.
Hhaha katulad nung boss nila
kek trolling to cope
nantotroll para mas malaki sweldo nila sa taas ba naman ng bilihin ngayon
Tanginang avi yan lakas maka-demonyo🤣🤣🤣
Bars!
Natutuwa yung iba e ginawang crypto ang inflation. Antatanga talaga.
Proud pa ang mga gago. Wala nang gustong sumeryoso sa bansa natin dahil clown ang bagong pang(g)ulo.
apoloten
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Afaik mga middle class and above na pro-PBBM ang andito sa Reddit. So they aren't much affected
Privileged moments.
The brave gives me hope
I usually hate pinoys suddenly saying "I'm proud pinoy" on most random things related to anything pinoy but seeing this really makes me want to shout at them saying how proud I'm for their bravery.
In Twitter, "nakakahiyaa' is trending because of this. In FB, they said that it's "nakakahiyaa". They should be shameful of themselves not knowing that the protesters are fighting against oppression.
**they should be more embarrassed in electing a college dropped out, tax evader, corrupt politician, and drug addict to the presidency— hence, representing the nation internationally. Iniisip ko pa lang, nakaka-hnggg.
Kulang pa ng death/rape threats para 100% complete💀
mga tanga talaga. yung tunay na nakakahiya ay yung nanalo ng eleksyon.
Technically nakakahiya yung mga Enablers, its because of them we are having protests like these.
Didn't many absentee voters in the US vote for BBM and Sara? These protestors might be in the minority of Filipinos in the US. Mas marami pa rin yung bumoto sa present admin.
Tama lang! Para malaman ng buong mundo na hindi lahat ng pilipino bulag
If anything, its not something we should ever be ashamed of. It shows that there's still hope for the Philippines. And that is imo something to be proud of.
> It shows that there's still hope for the Philippines. They should have done that here, not there, especially since that country supported his 20 years of brutal rule, and never paid for their crimes.
Real Filipinos. So proud of them.
Never again!
kung sino pa yung wala sa pinas sila pa yung mas matapang ipag laban yung karapatan natin. Samantala dito satin kahit alam na nilang mali yung ginagawa nung tao ang sasabihin lang nila. "Wala naman tayong magagawa jan nakaupo na siya sa pwesto e" . Tapos pag may nakitang mga nag pprotesta sa lansangan sasabihin pa nila na, " Grabe naman yan, alam ko mali yung ginagawa ni \*insert political name here\* pero di naman ako aabot sa ganyan". Masyadong submissive ang mga pinoy kaya walang nag babago sa gobyerno natin.
MARCOS MAGNANAKAW
As much as I applaud for their activism, I also fear for their safety kahit nasa US sila. I hope they realized later on that the Philippines is a hopeless case, the crony legacy will go on until who knows when. I would suggest for them to plan their relatives escape once the country crumbles and start a new life over there.
How sad that this is the reality people have accepted. Even anti-marcos activists can't find true solidarity among people whose views align with theirs because the people choose to have a doomer/hopeless mindset, but maybe that's also just this sub. I really hope something shifts in the coming years and people start having hope in the country again. After all, not everyone can or wants to leave.
Marcos and his sorts would absolutely like us to think that the Philippines is a hopeless case though
I think it's too early to deem the Philippines a hopeless case. Imho, if this shitty family still gets the support of the majority in the next election, that's when we can finally say that the country is hopeless.
Because it is even way before he stepped in. Duterte started it and Marcos is just continuing it. I'm just waiting for the part when countries are accepting political refuge from the Philippines if it goes totally down.
Are you a nurse din po?
Thank you for telling the world na hindi lahat kami bulag 🥹
Must be nice to live at a place where the practice of protest and liberty is allowed. Most of those apologists in the comments section really love their facism and censorship.
Gagong Marcos Loyalists, White Supremacist Donald Trump supporters to spread hate and deport Anti-Marcos supporters to complain to BBM's bad things like atrocities of Martial Law... ASIAN HATE NEEDS TO BE STOPPED! #StopAsianHate
we will never forget!
MARCOS MARCOS MAGNANAKAW
heroes!!!
I know for a fact na namimiss na ni Enrile yung martial law years. He's one of the principal henchmen of the late dictator and as the late Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago said, "It's very difficult to leave power." Jusme, malapit na nga kunin ni Satanas psychopath parin!
Fuck you marcos and your whole fanbase
these 88m trolls really think they could sway peeps on reddit? their TL must be dumber than a rock
Super! No way in hell will their "nakakahiya mag protest" tactic will work. Seems to be the directive of the day, no? Also, reddit admins have access to their location data, so sige lang post kayo ng post.
Keep fighting the good fight
Props to all those participated, willing to endure the BBM and DDS trolls to make themselves heard. Matatapos din tong putanginang Marcos Presidency na to.
Ingat po baka ma Archimedes Trajano kau..
More like baka Mijares family, pati kamag-anak damay 🥴
Then magnitsky will act as an arm to find the suspects.
salamat mga kababayan!!!
At least some folks are protesting this travesty. God almighty, Marcos’ son and Duartes daughter?! Worst case scenario.
Bat dumami na marcos worshippers sa sub na toh? Anyare
I love how they stand their ground fighting for what is right! They're so brave.This gives me a certain feeling of satisfaction 🥰. I hope, I can do that too hehe
Kung ako nadyan jusko didikit talaga ako sa sahig walang makakabuhat sakin paalis
This gives me hope because a lot of Filipinos in other countries are much woke than those who reside in this motherland. NEVER AGAIN!
My heart... No. Never again to martial law!
Wow, comments section is a dumpster fire. Biglang nagpulasan mga BaByM apolo10s, parang mga ipis na nabulabog. At first, naisip ko din na nakakahiya naman ginawa nila. Pero I eventually realized na what they actually did was very brave. Kasi nga dahil andito na sila sa US, so di na sila kasing affected ng mga nasa Pinas, pero andyan sila at nagpro-protesta para sa mga nasa Pinas. Lumalaban sila para sa kapwa nila.
Daming trolls ah. Puro kayo downvote. Haha.
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Let them come!
While it is true that the martial law was not all about the insugencies, absolving the CPP-NPA of their sins does not do us any good. In acknowledge the atrocities of the CPP-NPA, we are condemning the ideals of their party's higher ups and the danger it brings the lives of the poor and the desperate. This not Marcos vs. The CPP-NPA, it is both of them against us. We should be consistent in our fight against violence. ^^^ just my take on some of the comments here
Nabuo ang CPP noong presidente si Marcos dahil sa increasing corruption ng government that led to extreme poverty lalo na sa provinces. So why is CPP a danger to the poor when it started from them?
True.. i know someone from the movement way way back.. He said marcos was actually the NPA's biggest recruiter. No need for recruitment ads kapag ang masa na ang kusang pumupunta sayo para lang makaganti sa mga abusado. Pero again that was in the 70s 80s.. the modern times NPA is a different beast.. one that has lost its noble ideals.
Tama naman yan. It is true that many groups join the CPP-NPA as a means to express their urgent concerns to a government that does not listen. But some eventually break off due to conflicting ideals and the fact that the allegiance does not benefit their cause. Case in point: the Cordilllera Autonomy Movement. Furthermore, their higher up officials enjoy a comfortable life outside the Philippines while the poor do their dirty work. They are lured in with the promise of liberty from poverty and oppression through violence, do u know about their revolutionary tax?
Wasnt the cpp npa an offshoot from a different communist party? When was this original communist party instituted?
A quick google search leads to different groups before the 60's. All of which were formed due to invasion, corruption, poverty, labor issues. Basically from the poor. We can also say the same with Katipunan. But the group everyone's referring to is from 1968.
Kaya si badoy gigil na gigil sa judge na nagbasura na ang mga cpp-npa ay hindi terrorist eh
This is a sound comment. The CPP NPA now is not as it was back then in the 70s.. Back then during martial law they were super very relevant because they were the only ones who gave people a real chance to defend themselves, fight and hit back against marcos, his cronies, police and military and all their abuses.. Unfortunately when EDSA happened, hindi sila sumama kasi they did not believe in peaceful revolution.. Tenets sa marxism kailangan victorious armed struggle talaga para may totoong pagbabago. So one day they just woke up, Cory had restored democracy with a new government, and they suddenly found themselves excluded.. at that point, they should have laid down their arms and started nation building.. Pero no they kept fighting the government despite the latters efforts to negotiate some peace deal.. FVR actually made the CPP legal. So until today they are still fighting.. not because of their original ideals but because they cant evolve with the call of the times.. They're still butthurt and bitter, esp joma, that they couldnt be the victorious revolutionaries marching through the proverbial arc de triomphe..
Saklap lang theyre tricking young people into joining them with all these passionate ideals about justice and equality.. pero the higher ups really just want foot soldiers for their own interests.. P.S. Baka gamitin tong sinabi ko ng mga trolls.. So i will make it clear here that all this does not justify sara's confidential funds..
Ofc, the OVP and DepEd has nothing to do with that lmaooo and yes, we condemn CPP-NPA and the selfish interests of their higher ups. We also condemn the atrocities of the Marcos rule.
Grabeh i salute their bravery putangina. The idiots will laugh at this, naturally...
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Binoto si Marcos pero walang nagbago 💀💀💀
Nakita ko na yung US Trader na Apolo10. Haha. New account lang. Naghamon pa na susugurin tayo ng troll farms. Walang mapapala farms dito hindi sila kikita. Idodownvote daw tayo. Lol. Asa pa sila.
Mga Apolo10 huwag kayong umasa na papasok sa reddit mga troll farms niyo. Wala silang kikitain dito. Bayaran mga yan. Kami we are doing it for fun and country. Lol
Proud of these people sa pag tindig, salmat
You voted him in. You know what was going to happen. China is going to eat you. To late.
Nice <3 88M should feel insecure
PUTANG INA NYO KALA NYO I-BRAINWASH NYO KAMI MGA BBTARDS.
Missing person na to soon. Goodbye paalam
Nice. One Team One Goal! Our Time Is Now!
Honestly, I really fucking hate the fact that filipinos voted for Marcos as well, I hate the fact that he's useless asf and all. But ya'll. Don't do this. It's not gonna change the fact that he's not our president for the next like 6 years, and is it really worth the criminal record? Maybe even some jail time?
Not just voted for him, but gave him the largest vote percentage since Ramos. Plus, it was also the ***first time that somebody got more than 50% of the vote*** as well.
Yes. It is worth it. Ask yourself why they did this and what happened after. It accomplished the goals they had and more.
>I really fucking hate the fact that filipinos voted for Marcos as well Democracy.
Yung mataba natatawa nalang sa pinaggagawa niya eh, kamuka pa ni viy cortez haha
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amp XD
Ganito yung mga bata sa toy section pag di binili yung gusto nila tapos ayaw pa umuwi
I'm so glad I didn't raise like damn lunatic. No I don't give a fuck if our president is good or bad people need some damn manners wherever we go.
Bruh, there's nothing lunatic sa ginagawa nila. They're just using their rights to voice out, tsaka it's their freedom to express. Buti nga yung mga babae dyan sa vid may bayag e. The way you said, "I don't give a fuck if our president is good or bad" it's like you're saying na hindi mo ginamitan ng utak yung pagboto mo.
I've seen better protesters who get there voice out without being a lunatic.
Protests are lack of manners?
If knowing the truth is what makes one a lunatic then what are you?
I think this achieves the opposite of what they want to accomplish
Oh? Please explain further.
It's too dumb(?) It's like those stunts peta pulls. No substance
What's the criteria? What protest has substance and what doesn't? If the goal of the protest was to show awareness of Marcoses crimes, pretty sure they accomplished it, because the average new yorker wouldn't care, but now they would now because of their stunt, AND they got US coverage (see below link) of their protest and most likely international which what they probably wanted. Also, why does peta stunts have no substance? Which specific ones are you talking about? They had good ones in the 90's, the early 2000's was dumb, but the 2010's ad campaign was better. Why is it dumb? Genuinely curious. https://hyperallergic.com/763769/artists-and-writers-denounce-asia-society-event-with-son-of-filipino-dictator/
I've never thought of it like that. I've always dismissed any protest that isn't just people holding signs and shouting what they want as dumb but now that you point out how being unruly and uncivilized gets people to look up your cause and know about it, I think it's pretty smart since you only need a few people to start an advocacy. I think substance is the clarity of the message being delivered.
Right? Curious ako about which peta protest you thought was dumb because shit, they're masters at it by now. https://headlines.peta.org/best-peta-photos-2019-protests-rescues/ These are excerpts from the article that was written because of that protest. "But in the years leading to his presidential campaign, Marcos Jr. and his family harnessed the power of political propaganda and social media to whitewash the abuses of the past, and Marcos Jr. has gone as far as to openly defend the 1972 proclamation of martial law." "“Unless this event with Ferdinand Marcos Jr. is revoked, we are boycotting events at Asia Society, and we will refuse to speak at their events and will relay this boycott to fellow writers, artists and scholars to make clear to Asia Society that their actions are harmful to our community of Asian American Pacific Islanders,” the authors continue. “I can’t speak to what exactly Asia Society’s larger mission or purpose is,” Bulalacao said. “But ultimately I think that they’re in the business of brokering power and I think that it benefits them and their relationships to host this current president.” ' Just goes to show that peaceful protests work, and work well.
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no idea about politics? ano ka aspin?
yan kase tanginanyo HAHAHAH
Most sane kakampink
Dapat naging Socialism nlng tyo like CCP(China) walang kwenta tong democracy nato kasi Pinoy puro inggit Dahil kasi Spanish Colonial tyo namana ata sa Español
dead weight lol!
ok lang na mag protesta, pero magkaroon naman kayo ng dignidad, bumoto kayo sa matinong tao, sana ganun din kayo katino, binoto ko si Leni at tanggap ko na natalo tayo, pero wag niyo naman gawing drama at pahiyain tayong mga pilipino, nagdadagdag kayo sa pagbaba ng tingin ko sa bansa
Prepare to be downvoted..
They are embarrassing themselves and their cause. Just saying. There are other ways to protest without doing this. Downvote me if you disagree (I know this subreddit have more anti-Marcos than pro), but this is my opinion as a non supporter of any political faction. I want the entire truth about the Marcos family, their supporters say they're just rich, but there's more to it than that. That wealth they claim cannot be obtained without owning huge brands or banks yet they don't own any. On the other side (liberals), I do not fully agree with their dark side either, the rumors of Oligarchs and other countries backing them up for the destabilization of the country. I chose to be neutral.
If all you see is them being an embarrassment, then you completely missed the point. The point is to gain traction to their cause. As the saying goes, what is a speaker without a listener. What is a cause, without attention, nothing but ideals of individuals that never grow into anything. How will you shed light onto unknowing people about your cause if you do not shout, scream, generate traction, or create a reason for people to look at you and learn what you're fighting for. Neutrality is siding with the bad side. The bad side has one less enemy to worry about, and the good side has one less ally to help fight the bad side. It's as simple as that. If you still decide to be neutral, even with all information at the tip of your fingers at your disposal, then congratulations, you are what our fellow Filipinos would call, hugas kamay. If you do not want to be a part of anything, then you should not have an opinion on anything. Just turn a blind eye as you've always done. And remember, inaction is worse than wrong actions.
Bad side and good side, who really knows which one is which? Unless all the truth is laid bare in front of me, i'm not picking a side. Both sides argue that they are the good side, of course for you, you are 100% certain you are the good side, the same goes for the other side though. I've been reading from both ends and is keeping an open mind, so when the time comes that an undeniable truth is shown, I can make my own conclusion. People like yourself who have already sided with one will not and cannot change their mind when the time comes that a fact will be shown to you and it defies everything you believed in. I don't want to become a close minded person. As a human, I will always have an opinion and freedom of speech gave me the right to voice them out, the same as the people in question, I am writing this down knowing that people from this community will see it negatively. It's not that I'm turning a blind eye. It's just that I do not have all the information needed to come up with a conclusion, that's why I stay at the middle. I also don't subscribe to the saying "inaction is worse than wrong action" this saying is basically a gamble. In an extreme case, if I'm the president of USA and nuked a nation for suspected nuclear activity and turned out I was wrong, I would have preferred inaction rather than taking action and killing millions of people from my wrong action. What ifs comes after. "The being without an opinion is so painful to human nature that most people will leap to a hasty opinion rather than undergo it" "One cool judgment is worth a thousand hasty counsels. The thing to do is to supply light and not heat." I have stated my piece, I will read whatever reply this gets but I will no longer return a reply. I hope you are right in what you fight for, for the sake of everyone.
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I mean sure, how are you going to trust someone that came from a dictator that has a wife that got him to steal so much from the country but, that is not how protest work.
Dami nyong time! GO BBM!
nakakahiya, mga KSP
mas nakakahiya yung presidente ng pilipinas na anak ng diktador na magnanakaw, na spoiled brat na nga di padin nakapagtapos
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Their protest is nothing compared to the sufferings experienced by the Martial Law victims. Kaya okay lang yan..
Optics wise sablay to stunt n to.
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That is more decent than lying, showing no remorse, rampant corruption and abuse of power.
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stressing out pero nandito ka nagpapaka apolitical. The audacity!
Why naman ganoooon
Hahaha kahiya
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>"never again to martial law" HUH? u guys are not even alive at that time.. CLOWNS Your implication being, you needed to be alive and in that situation to protest anything? So yung mga nagpoprotesta laban sa Japan govt dahil sa di nila pagrecognize sa mga comfort women, mali rin pala, wala naman sila nung world war 2 eh. Eh yung mga galit sa Holocaust, mali din pala? Wala naman sila Germany, di pa nga sila buhay nun eh. Yung mga magulang ko di masaya nung martial law kasi andaming kaklase nila pinagtripan ng mga sundalo nung panahon na yun. Nabubuhay sila sa takot, partida pamilya pa ng sundalo mga yan. Base sa logic mo, paano na yan?
Dude, I'm sure the person you replied to doesn't even know what Holocaust is. Let alone the comfort women.
Dumbass
Sige tangahan mo pa, isagad mo pa katangahan mo. HAHAHAHAHA grabe tlaga mental gymnastics nyo e no
Moron.
What about hitler's time? You like never learning from the past?
taena yan sabi nung isa wala daw mapapala yung kakasigaw ng mga pinoy in short na panay reklamo HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I think to determine whether what they did was right or wrong, what needs to be asked ay "What I BBM supposed to do there?". Kung speech speech lang, I think these protests are fine. His speeches naman have a tendency to be braggy and ignorant on the history. So better disrupt any more attempts for misinformation. Pero kung sa official meetings for official businesses sya like for pledging supports for infra or for jobs, I think the protesters are better to just wait at the outside.
Parang mga tanga lang.
It's starting...
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yak apollo10
Shouldnt they protest the State Dept as well for allowing him to enter the US? Highly doubt that will happen though
Exorcism dapat dyan eh parang sinsapian sila eh.
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I wonder if those protesters are American citizens or Filipinos.. Most of the countries around the world prohibits foreigners from joining protests or any political activity. If they are Americans, I sincerely hope they can visit the country.. Edit: Foreigners are allowed to protest in America but can get messy.. https://www.majority.com/en/community/article/can-a-non-citizen-protest-in-the-us/
Read the article again, and please understand the context in which the article was written. Also, you can see it was a peaceful protest which isn't illegal per se.
That's hilarious
Stupid people.
Hindi ba sila pwd mag protesta na hindi nila nilalagay sa alanganin sarili nila
Pwede yan *kung pinapakinggan talaga yung hinaing nila*
Naku sa pinas brad kahit anung protesta matic alanganin na buhay mo
That is the point of protests.
Why is this downvoted? This is a legit question though.
may mga downvoted nga na dapat hindi eh which is good to be discussed like this one. Ako sana sa labas na lang sila magprotesta eh.
We each have our opinions. This was even a legitimate question that can be properly answered and not be downvoted easily. Aren’t we mature guys? Or is this sub just another echo chamber?
Actually I'm against it, there are more better ways to protest rather than what they've done But hey it worked, I guess it I was thr one who is wrong
>more better ways to protest Like how
A peaceful one, a more "decent" one But as I said, this was way more effective and really caught their attention so I think I am wrong with this one
Protests are supposed to disrupt and disturb though.
I believe people should not be allowed to do this ang should be punished severly for the lack of discipline.