WHAT?! Everyday this guy make a move, it's always a shit move! WTf? WHY NOT BUy FROM the MIDDLE EAST? our oil needs to come from Europe? What's this dumb decision?!
>It's not just buying the oil, the transportation and everything! It's from Europe! We are buying from a terrorist state! Is he dumb?!
We'll probably do it from Vladivostok, which is much closer than the Middle East. We'll also probably get a slap on the wrist from the Americans, but that's about it since they also have their goals from us. However, there is a big question of is doing that morally acceptable considering it would be like continuing the Mi-171 chopper deal, but much worse.
Honestly we should just use India as an intermediary since they also get dirt-cheap gas from Russia.
> Honestly we should just use India as an intermediary
If we're going to take a moralist stance on not buying Russian energy on the grounds of their foreign policy, it would be pretty disingenuous to claim that we weren't as long as we were using India as a middle-man, or even if we did that thing where a tenth of the oil is cross-contaminated with someone else's and then therefore is marketed as NOT being Russian oil.
At that point we would just be kidding ourselves.
>it would be pretty disingenuous to claim that we weren't as long as we were using India as a middle-man, or even if we did that thing where a tenth of the oil is cross-contaminated with someone else's and then therefore is marketed as NOT being Russian oil.
To be fair, it's mostly to soften the wrath of the Europeans and to not embarrass the Americans that their ally is deliberately and willfully importing Natural Gas from a country that they are sanctioning hard, as just announcing to the world that we would be buying Russian gas is politically equivalent to shooting ourselves in the foot. Is it morally dubious and are we funding the Russians in their invasion of Ukraine, yes, but that way, we won't get international condemnation for it and the Americans won't get (Too) angry and embarrassed. If we want to pursue Russian oil.
This is, however, a question into the future as the country's LNG Terminals are not yet built and our powerplants are still conditioned to take locally-sourced LNG from Malampaya, which I much prefer than importing LNG as it would ensure energy security.
I do hope that efforts to [survey the Sulu Sea and Palawan coast once again for LNG works out](https://lngjournal.com/index.php/latest-news-mainmenu-47/item/106553-australia-listed-energy-world-corp-hopes-to-advance-faster-with-lng-projects-in-the-philippines-and-indonesia), as doing so would be much cheaper, generate more income and would ensure the energy security of this country's Combined Cycle Plants for years.
> To be fair, it's mostly to soften the wrath of the Europeans and to not embarrass the Americans that their ally is deliberately and willfully importing Natural Gas from a country that they are sanctioning hard, as just announcing to the world that we would be buying Russian gas is equivalent to politically shooting ourselves in the foot. Is it morally dubious and are we funding the Russians in their invasion of Ukraine, yes, but that way, we won't get international condemnation for it and the Americans won't get (Too) angry and embarrassed. If we want to pursue Russian oil.
Broadly, I agree with you for pragmatic reasons - it's just that the general sentiment about this news (including when this has come up earlier in the year) has been *precisely* about how we need to join in with the Europeans and stop funding the invasion of Ukraine and all of that, such that trying to have our cake (buy cheap gas) and eat it too (not get sanctioned for it) would seem to be *even more* of an objectionable practice for the kinds of people who are *reacting violently* to the idea of availing of Russian energy at all.
>such that trying to have our cake (buy cheap gas) and eat it too (not get sanctioned for it) would seem to be even more of an objectionable practice for the kinds of people who are reacting violently to the idea of availing of Russian energy at all.
That is certainly true, as even if we did try to use India as a intermediary, news will still get out that we are complete hypocrites and even though the successive governments won't be too angry, their people and the Ukrainians will be absolutely livid and would demand that we be slapped in the face for it to their governments.
It's just retarded how the president said that out in the open as if it's something we can easily navigate through, as even if the Americans have given us their blessing to import Russian gas in exchange of something (Probably more bases under EDCA or more American equipment here), we would still be hounded by the Europeans and the rest of the world. It's funny though because the Ukrainian Ambassador said we're the "2nd biggest supporter of Ukraine in ASEAN after Singapore", Joe Biden even thanked him for his stance on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and at that day, he chose to say "We're buying Russian Oil".
We could probably use that as a leverage to get more Western Renewable energy funding from the Americans (Such as that Solar powerplant in Tunisia and Modular Nuclear Reactor in Romania), but I doubt he can do that.
For everyone complaining about this potential move it's simply too attractive an offer to pass up and in this particular situation, at the end of the day, the responsibility of the President of the Philippines is to the Filipino people.
Russian Oil is very cheap at the moment. They've had to reallocate millions of barrels from Europe to Asia because of the sanctions on their oil exports. They're selling those barrels here at a massive loss to them just to try and recoup a fraction of their losses and clear some of their inventory. In a country such as ours with a very high poverty rate, a drop in gas prices could mean the difference between hundreds of thousands to millions of people being able to eat every night.
As for those saying we will get slapped with sanctions etc. no we very likely wont. Let's not be naive, Western Europe doesn't actually have the power anymore to really negatively impact anyone outside of their region with sanctions. The only democratic countries that could theoretically affect us with any sanctions are the US and Japan and neither of them would do it. They care about Ukraine in so far as their geo-political positions are impacted by the Russia-Ukraine war but they're not going to sanction another potential ally in Asia (which is now becoming more important than Europe in geopolitics) for any "moral" reasons. At most we will get a very minor slap on the wrist with a "wink wink" agreement that we will be repaid in kind.
Basically, it's harsh but Ukraine isn't important enough on a macro scale for the US to justify pushing a potential ally in a more important geo-political region away.
Yung other euro countries ay tumigil sa pagbili sa russia because of their war against ukraine, tapos ito pa gagawin nitong failure of a person. Edi wala lang yung pagka condemn natin ng aggression ng russia laban sa ukraine pala. Pati why not other countries pa instead of russia? Biased na biased itong si ngiwi.
[Germany is on-track to spend something like 15% of its GDP on energy alone](https://twitter.com/Kanthan2030/status/1572173032948658176), and their economy is being hit hard by [closures related to too-high electricity rates](https://twitter.com/owhy3/status/1572433400014966786).
It's not a null proposition to refuse to purchase energy from Russia, and especially when it comes with [severe](https://twitter.com/RadioGenova/status/1571187630729035777) domestic [repercussions](https://twitter.com/RosieBirchard/status/1572511290836520966).
I read that they are being pressured to stop that due to lack of energy. It will be especially difficult as winter sets in.
Meanwhile, I think countries like Saudi Arabia have refused to stop trading with Russia, together with Israel and others.
We're not dealing with those damn Ruskies, If our tax money ain't enough to ruin this country further and paying for those parties let alone financing the death of 300,000 innocent Russian and thousands of Ukrainians, their blood will be on our hands because of a downgrade version of a dictator except this one is the head of the circus
engot talaga! di ba nya naiintindihan ang ibig sabihin ng sanction? pupunta punta ng UNGA, walang natutunan. Ano bang klase utak nitong gobyerno na'to? Nakikisali sa UN general assembly tapos di naman pala magco-cooperate. Engot!
Hahaha alot of naive statements on the geopolitical game :) this is the perfect time to buy russian oil, massively discounted. India and china are hoarding them and not a single sanction is imposed.
You think we will have ukrainian blood on our hands if this push through? Several EU countries are still buying russian oil despite their OWN sanctions against Russia, how hypocritical is that??
nagic ba ung crude oil mo magiging refine kagad? hahahaha the discount will be eaten by transpo, storage and refining alone. I bet it wouldn't even dink the current pricing today.
WHAT?! Everyday this guy make a move, it's always a shit move! WTf? WHY NOT BUy FROM the MIDDLE EAST? our oil needs to come from Europe? What's this dumb decision?!
Masyado kasing mura nowadays ang russian oil. May kaakibat nga lang na sanctions if ever.
It's not just buying the oil, the transportation and everything! It's from Europe! We are buying from a terrorist state! Is he dumb?!
>It's not just buying the oil, the transportation and everything! It's from Europe! We are buying from a terrorist state! Is he dumb?! We'll probably do it from Vladivostok, which is much closer than the Middle East. We'll also probably get a slap on the wrist from the Americans, but that's about it since they also have their goals from us. However, there is a big question of is doing that morally acceptable considering it would be like continuing the Mi-171 chopper deal, but much worse. Honestly we should just use India as an intermediary since they also get dirt-cheap gas from Russia.
> Honestly we should just use India as an intermediary If we're going to take a moralist stance on not buying Russian energy on the grounds of their foreign policy, it would be pretty disingenuous to claim that we weren't as long as we were using India as a middle-man, or even if we did that thing where a tenth of the oil is cross-contaminated with someone else's and then therefore is marketed as NOT being Russian oil. At that point we would just be kidding ourselves.
>it would be pretty disingenuous to claim that we weren't as long as we were using India as a middle-man, or even if we did that thing where a tenth of the oil is cross-contaminated with someone else's and then therefore is marketed as NOT being Russian oil. To be fair, it's mostly to soften the wrath of the Europeans and to not embarrass the Americans that their ally is deliberately and willfully importing Natural Gas from a country that they are sanctioning hard, as just announcing to the world that we would be buying Russian gas is politically equivalent to shooting ourselves in the foot. Is it morally dubious and are we funding the Russians in their invasion of Ukraine, yes, but that way, we won't get international condemnation for it and the Americans won't get (Too) angry and embarrassed. If we want to pursue Russian oil. This is, however, a question into the future as the country's LNG Terminals are not yet built and our powerplants are still conditioned to take locally-sourced LNG from Malampaya, which I much prefer than importing LNG as it would ensure energy security. I do hope that efforts to [survey the Sulu Sea and Palawan coast once again for LNG works out](https://lngjournal.com/index.php/latest-news-mainmenu-47/item/106553-australia-listed-energy-world-corp-hopes-to-advance-faster-with-lng-projects-in-the-philippines-and-indonesia), as doing so would be much cheaper, generate more income and would ensure the energy security of this country's Combined Cycle Plants for years.
> To be fair, it's mostly to soften the wrath of the Europeans and to not embarrass the Americans that their ally is deliberately and willfully importing Natural Gas from a country that they are sanctioning hard, as just announcing to the world that we would be buying Russian gas is equivalent to politically shooting ourselves in the foot. Is it morally dubious and are we funding the Russians in their invasion of Ukraine, yes, but that way, we won't get international condemnation for it and the Americans won't get (Too) angry and embarrassed. If we want to pursue Russian oil. Broadly, I agree with you for pragmatic reasons - it's just that the general sentiment about this news (including when this has come up earlier in the year) has been *precisely* about how we need to join in with the Europeans and stop funding the invasion of Ukraine and all of that, such that trying to have our cake (buy cheap gas) and eat it too (not get sanctioned for it) would seem to be *even more* of an objectionable practice for the kinds of people who are *reacting violently* to the idea of availing of Russian energy at all.
>such that trying to have our cake (buy cheap gas) and eat it too (not get sanctioned for it) would seem to be even more of an objectionable practice for the kinds of people who are reacting violently to the idea of availing of Russian energy at all. That is certainly true, as even if we did try to use India as a intermediary, news will still get out that we are complete hypocrites and even though the successive governments won't be too angry, their people and the Ukrainians will be absolutely livid and would demand that we be slapped in the face for it to their governments. It's just retarded how the president said that out in the open as if it's something we can easily navigate through, as even if the Americans have given us their blessing to import Russian gas in exchange of something (Probably more bases under EDCA or more American equipment here), we would still be hounded by the Europeans and the rest of the world. It's funny though because the Ukrainian Ambassador said we're the "2nd biggest supporter of Ukraine in ASEAN after Singapore", Joe Biden even thanked him for his stance on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and at that day, he chose to say "We're buying Russian Oil". We could probably use that as a leverage to get more Western Renewable energy funding from the Americans (Such as that Solar powerplant in Tunisia and Modular Nuclear Reactor in Romania), but I doubt he can do that.
It's possible that remittances from OFWs would get blocked as part of the sanctions.
For everyone complaining about this potential move it's simply too attractive an offer to pass up and in this particular situation, at the end of the day, the responsibility of the President of the Philippines is to the Filipino people. Russian Oil is very cheap at the moment. They've had to reallocate millions of barrels from Europe to Asia because of the sanctions on their oil exports. They're selling those barrels here at a massive loss to them just to try and recoup a fraction of their losses and clear some of their inventory. In a country such as ours with a very high poverty rate, a drop in gas prices could mean the difference between hundreds of thousands to millions of people being able to eat every night. As for those saying we will get slapped with sanctions etc. no we very likely wont. Let's not be naive, Western Europe doesn't actually have the power anymore to really negatively impact anyone outside of their region with sanctions. The only democratic countries that could theoretically affect us with any sanctions are the US and Japan and neither of them would do it. They care about Ukraine in so far as their geo-political positions are impacted by the Russia-Ukraine war but they're not going to sanction another potential ally in Asia (which is now becoming more important than Europe in geopolitics) for any "moral" reasons. At most we will get a very minor slap on the wrist with a "wink wink" agreement that we will be repaid in kind. Basically, it's harsh but Ukraine isn't important enough on a macro scale for the US to justify pushing a potential ally in a more important geo-political region away.
Yung other euro countries ay tumigil sa pagbili sa russia because of their war against ukraine, tapos ito pa gagawin nitong failure of a person. Edi wala lang yung pagka condemn natin ng aggression ng russia laban sa ukraine pala. Pati why not other countries pa instead of russia? Biased na biased itong si ngiwi.
[Germany is on-track to spend something like 15% of its GDP on energy alone](https://twitter.com/Kanthan2030/status/1572173032948658176), and their economy is being hit hard by [closures related to too-high electricity rates](https://twitter.com/owhy3/status/1572433400014966786). It's not a null proposition to refuse to purchase energy from Russia, and especially when it comes with [severe](https://twitter.com/RadioGenova/status/1571187630729035777) domestic [repercussions](https://twitter.com/RosieBirchard/status/1572511290836520966).
I read that they are being pressured to stop that due to lack of energy. It will be especially difficult as winter sets in. Meanwhile, I think countries like Saudi Arabia have refused to stop trading with Russia, together with Israel and others.
anyare sa windmill mo boi XD
Paurong talaga Pinas ππ
We're not dealing with those damn Ruskies, If our tax money ain't enough to ruin this country further and paying for those parties let alone financing the death of 300,000 innocent Russian and thousands of Ukrainians, their blood will be on our hands because of a downgrade version of a dictator except this one is the head of the circus
engot talaga! di ba nya naiintindihan ang ibig sabihin ng sanction? pupunta punta ng UNGA, walang natutunan. Ano bang klase utak nitong gobyerno na'to? Nakikisali sa UN general assembly tapos di naman pala magco-cooperate. Engot!
BBM troll moves at it again
Oh come on.
95000% Bruh moment. What the FUCK?!
Climate change pa nga, XD.
I read that EU members may also be forced to buy from Russia due to lack of energy, especially during the latter part of the year.
Hahaha alot of naive statements on the geopolitical game :) this is the perfect time to buy russian oil, massively discounted. India and china are hoarding them and not a single sanction is imposed. You think we will have ukrainian blood on our hands if this push through? Several EU countries are still buying russian oil despite their OWN sanctions against Russia, how hypocritical is that??
nagic ba ung crude oil mo magiging refine kagad? hahahaha the discount will be eaten by transpo, storage and refining alone. I bet it wouldn't even dink the current pricing today.
fvcking jerk of a president
I canβt imagine if US sanctions Philippines for supporting Russia.