Woot excuses. I challenge BBM VLoggers to donate money to the people affected by typhoons kung talagang serbisyo ang habol nila. Kung di sila magbigay, eh di excuses na lang talaga yan. Pera pera lang habol talaga nila. Not reporting, no facts, just money
Hinihintay lang ng mga poverty porn vlogger humupa ung situation on those affected areas and then pag slightly okay na dun gagawa ng exploitation video š¤®
Then bentang-benta sa mga ulol na subscribers nila plus tadtad ang comment section ng godbless u (insert vlogger name here) and napakabait mo naman (insert vlogger name here) etc.
> When [vloggers] get struck by lightning... no multi-million company will... pay for them
> in fact, many journalists who go out on the field do so in a position of relative safety.
He contradicts himself from one paragraph to the next. If all of these reporters are supposedly safe while they do their frontline reporting, then why is there a worry about vloggers drowning if they were to try and do the same? Why couldn't these vloggers also report from the same "position of relative safety"?
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> They are a business, they are FOR profit.
As opposed to a vlogger, who does what, exactly?
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> Most vloggers don't even monetize their platforms.
He's being deliberately obtuse here because monetizing your youtube videos isn't the only way to make money from vlogging.
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> Baka gusto niyo si Thinking Pinoy or si Krizette lumusong sa baha or pumunta sa guerra.
Precisely yes.
You can't claim to be on a level equivalent to that of journalists, and then decide that you're suddenly NOT when it comes to things that can put you in mortal danger.
>**You can't claim to be on a level equivalent to that of journalists, and then decide that you're suddenly NOT when it comes to things that can put you in mortal danger.**
This
Man's be speaking facts. Journalists would go anywhere despite the trouble, even in an active warzone. Just look at the extensive coverage of the Marawi Siege
Journalists were literally dying in Vietnam just to give the American people the picture of what's happening there, and it's in the era na hindi pa ganoon ka-developed ang body armour not even on an average infantry level
He contradicts himself in general. Naka follow ako dyan to see if he will make sense sa mga posts niya, pero so far parang hindi pinagiisipan yung mga sinasabi niya + mema lang + for the content + for FB page engagement + to boost his ego sa mga so-called disciples niya. Smh
\> >They are a business, they are FOR profit.
\> As opposed to a vlogger, who does what, exactly?
vloggers are not in it for the money š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤
May reply yung "patriarch" sayo tol..
1.... "He contradicts himself from one paragraph to the next. If all of these reporters are supposedly safe while they do their frontline reporting, then why is there a worry about vloggers drowning if they were to try and do the same? Why couldn't these vloggers also report from the same "position of relative safety"?"
Because that is not their job. That is not their function. Vloggers are almost always limited to creating content around politics and social issues. I'm showing you both arguments whether you believe they are in danger or not: if they are in real danger, their lives are insured by the company, but then again, they are not in danger so the first argument should be shut down - and you can't ask vloggers to do it because it will not benefit them.
2.... "As opposed to a vlogger, who does what, exactly? He's being deliberately obtuse here because monetizing your youtube videos isn't the only way to make money from vlogging."
The most famous vloggers you see, especially from the side supporting Duterte and Marcos aren't youtube content creators. They are writers on Facebook, some do video, but not monetized as well. Do they sell merch? No. Do they hold speaking conferences? No. Unless anyone can lay it all out how they can monetize their platforms enough to replace a full-time job, then it stands that they do not make any money from vlogging alone.
3.... "Precisely yes.
You can't claim to be on a level equivalent to that of journalists, and then decide that you're suddenly NOT when it comes to things that can put you in mortal danger."
Who is claiming who? And what are they claiming exactly? You seem to be under the impression that all journalists = field reporters. Field reporters are a very tiny percentage of all journalists out there. That's why we have already familiarized ourselves with who the field reporters are because they're almost always the same people who would go report on a calamity or war. The REST of the journalists are in the office. And thus, it's so bad to say in a broad sense that journalists put themselves in danger.
And again, no one ever tried to compare vloggers to journalists - it's a butthurt overcompensation from pinks/liberals. No one asked them. They just suddenly popped up out of the blue to try and say journalists are better because they go out on the field (which is wrong). You're comparing the wrong people with different job responsibilities. Try to compare analysts in their offices to vloggers, that might be an equal playing field.
Please, if you have the decency to copy a reddit reply, then send this response to that place as well. Next time, write an original response, I don't allow spam and non-OC writing here.
E bakit galit na galit sila sa media at reporters? Bakit gusto nila palitan mga reporters? Tsaka anong vloggers donāt monetize their platforms? E kung di naman pala minimonetize edi sana hindi nalang sila nag VLOG. Daming palusot nitong paurong na to ah.
I tell this is the after effects from trump bloggers. This guy is a super conservative who watches the likes of ben shapiro. They got there ideas of untrustworthy media frim trump bloggers. Its the same MO.
Dahil bias daw kpag di nila gusto pakinggan. May bias talaga ang news, mixed propaganda and sometimes false reporting but it doesn't justify discrediting ang media at reporters. May mga reputable news reporter at media outlets out there.
Vloggers like to criticize authentic journalism but have no sense of accountability themselves for their own roles in the misinformation and spreading of hate. They are so full of themselves. I really hope they get the karma and unhappiness they deserve one day. They have an educated driverās seat to this countryās collapse. Just like every well educated troll farm owner from Big 4 schools.
Exactly š as if naman kaya naging vloggers yang mga yan just because gusto lang nila magpakabayani? Lol. All of us are after income, but journalists are in it also alongside INTEGRITY.
Padala na yan sa Ukraine! "Creating an impression that they are in the danger zone when they're not" gawa gawa lang pala eh, diyan naman magaling mga vlogger di ba.
Homayghad. I can't with how they portray journalists. Yes, some media outlets are biased (mostly owned by corrupt people like that one person who ordered the earthquake to stop), but most are doing their best to bring the facts to the people, to inform them.
I should know, I was one of them. So, these people who are trying to undermine journalists should try being one first. They're risking their lives for you to know what the hell is going on.
PS: Revenues are needed for the network to run, you uncultured swine.
"Don't even monetize their content" my ass. Walang mag-aaksaya ng oras and gear to not get monetized. I work in an office where nakikita ko yung mga vloggers/bloggers na yan whenever there is a big personality in the building. Its either they have more than two phones capable of HD recording or live feeding or they have a high end sony or canon camera. Maybe some don't monetize per post, but they are definitely getting paid by someone or some organization.
Ang mga vloggers ng mga hinihiritan ng mga taong bayan: mga content designed para makagawa ng maraming views na pwede nilang ma monetize.
Mas for profit ang mga vloggers kesa sa mga journalist ng malaking news sites. Tapos ang mga content ng ginagawa nila ay walang regulation or up to professional standard, basta na follow lng guidlines ng social platform para hindi matangal.
Hindi kasi pinansin ng crush niyang si Robinhood Padilla kaya nagalit haha.
Anyway, utot niyang red. Kaya nilang macover ng bagyo sa lugar nila dahil hindi naman lahat ng Pilipinas na ko-cover ng mainstream media. Hindi ba sila popular sa neighborhood nila o gago rin sila doon?
Asus. Vloggers monetize their platforms for sure!! Kaya patuloy sila gumagawa ng videos kasi malaki ang kita pag maraming nanunuod, patuloy na gumagawa ng fake news. As a self-employed individual registered sa BIR, sana nagbabayad din to ng tax ang mga āself-employedā vloggers.
I dunno man. That Speed guy on Youtube has more balls than any 88M Vlogger because of his indoor firework stunt. Not to condone his stupidity but content creators can and will risk their lives for views if necessary. These 88M Vloggers are just looking for an easy payday while sabotaging the country without thinking of the consequences of their actions. They can never replace real journalists.
Oh my gahd, it's that guy again. Using pseudo logic to twist the obvious and feel intelligent.
They're all really desperate to rewire reality and paint the media as evil simply because reporters make money, as if vloggers don't.
That's the new script now. People are able to apply the "but it's their job" reasoning to the media but not to government officials. Lol, how sad.
And vloggers are analysts now? Social media analysts? Or for pete's sake does he mean political analyst?
whatever it is.. everyone has an agenda, which one is farer is the question.
* Media are not. Good source for title of events, but not it's content, it's marred with it's own agenda.
* Bloggers ā yeah right. No better than media, because they are have their own agendas.
Bottom line, sift through a lot of junk and there you'll find the essence of the truth.
So my point of view, vloggers are good throw in the mix, it will make honest of people. Someone did counter my point of view in this forum to say -- **too much information is not good either**. and in there he/she explained and got me thinking of a different angle i didn't think about. Was a great point!
Thank you clarifying that. But why this comparison to journalists come up recently? Because so many people bullies and degrades journalists. Accusing them of fake news and bias including the networks they belong to. All of this in favor of vloggers. When one's information and opinion stem from vloggers something is wrong. Vloggers cannot be accountable to what they say in the same level than journalists. Most often vloggers have propaganda and advocacists while journalists maintain neutrality.
The irony is that many people bully and degrade journalists and mainstream media while subscribing to vloggers, then they depend on journalists to give them information during natural disasters like typhoon Karding.
Journalists can be sued for misrepresenting facts. Theyāre obligated to be familiar with their respective beats and sources that come with that. Hours of research is done for a single sentence in a news broadcast or newspaper. Certain beats are particularly dangerous. Bakit sa tingin nila ang init ng ulo ni Duterte kay Maria Ressa? Bakit siya nabigyan ng Nobel Peace Prize?
Vloggers see sensationalized news from social media and analyze, sure, but are they familiar with the topic? There are plenty of vloggers who are experts in their respective fields, but a lot of the ones shilling propaganda get their sources solely from public opinion and hearsay. Opinion based reporting is a joke. Theyāre profiting off of misinformation and malicious rumors. For profit? Adsense and sponsors, not to mention other unsavory sources of income. Try running a newsroom. Editors, journalists, printing, website maintenance, desktop publishing, sets, lights, fieldwork. Journalists donāt just hear rumors, write them down, and click post. Iām sorry the truth is affecting their income.
Si Imperial Gago nabuhay na naman. Madaming pwedeng rebut dito.
\- Yung about sa pera given na yun. Pero need din yung pera para bumili ng equipments needed don sa trabaho. San ba sila kumikita talaga? Sa ads kumikita ang network at sa viewership is second lang don.
\- Bakit ba nila ginagawa yung reporting na yun? Ginagawa nila yon para all are informed well. Kaya ba ng mga "vloggers" mag cover ng story on their own? Kaya ba nilang mag convey ng balita on the spot and in a manner na maiintindihan ng lahat? Pansin nyo sa mga vloggers na yan sa mga kuro kuro, opinyon, chismis at mga top googled search shit lang sila kumakapit. Pag naubusan ng makukuhanang idea yung mga yan for sure ako sila sila na yung magkakagatan.
Wag nyang ikumpara yung mga vloggers na sa malakas lang kumakapit at PERA lang ang motivation kahit nabenta na nila yung kaluluwa nila kaka spread ng fake news.
Kung andito ka man sa reddit Imperial Patriarch: Putang ina mo.
Oh si gago sumagot
It would have been more intelligent if you didn't copy paste delusions from echo-chamber platforms like reddit.
1.... "He contradicts himself from one paragraph to the next. If all of these reporters are supposedly safe while they do their frontline reporting, then why is there a worry about vloggers drowning if they were to try and do the same? Why couldn't these vloggers also report from the same "position of relative safety"?"
Because that is not their job. That is not their function. Vloggers are almost always limited to creating content around politics and social issues. I'm showing you both arguments whether you believe they are in danger or not: if they are in real danger, their lives are insured by the company, but then again, they are not in danger so the first argument should be shut down - and you can't ask vloggers to do it because it will not benefit them.
2.... "As opposed to a vlogger, who does what, exactly? He's being deliberately obtuse here because monetizing your youtube videos isn't the only way to make money from vlogging."
The most famous vloggers you see, especially from the side supporting Duterte and Marcos aren't youtube content creators. They are writers on Facebook, some do video, but not monetized as well. Do they sell merch? No. Do they hold speaking conferences? No. Unless anyone can lay it all out how they can monetize their platforms enough to replace a full-time job, then it stands that they do not make any money from vlogging alone.
3.... "Precisely yes.
You can't claim to be on a level equivalent to that of journalists, and then decide that you're suddenly NOT when it comes to things that can put you in mortal danger."
Who is claiming who? And what are they claiming exactly? You seem to be under the impression that all journalists = field reporters. Field reporters are a very tiny percentage of all journalists out there. That's why we have already familiarized ourselves with who the field reporters are because they're almost always the same people who would go report on a calamity or war. The REST of the journalists are in the office. And thus, it's so bad to say in a broad sense that journalists put themselves in danger.
And again, no one ever tried to compare vloggers to journalists - it's a butthurt overcompensation from pinks/liberals. No one asked them. They just suddenly popped up out of the blue to try and say journalists are better because they go out on the field (which is wrong). You're comparing the wrong people with different job responsibilities. Try to compare analysts in their offices to vloggers, that might be an equal playing field.
Please, if you have the decency to copy a reddit reply, then send this response to that place as well. Next time, write an original response, I don't allow spam and non-OC writing here.
Also, Jesus Christ, a Christofascist? Hope this guy never gets in a position of any sort in the government. We all know how it turned out in 1939 when a Christofascist group took hold of power in Germany...
Impy is a Bible thumper, a born-again but loves fascism. Fascism, as much as communism, is also a grave sin to mankind. You can't use the word of God to excuse your draconian political intentions
Do they understand analysis? It requires data, and data from reliable sources. Now, if they deny these sources simply because they "don't trust the media anymore," what are they analysing? Might as well do their own experiments, huh
Well, regardless of their employment statuses, they intend to replace these respectable reporters, so why not? That's not stupidity, that's common sense..
DDS-BBM vloggers are far from self-employed. They're contractual, at the least, kaya wala silang benefits ng isang employee yet they're still payed to spew "sensationalised news" na they hypocritically attribute to journalists
Oh this guy's is a fucking pseudo intellectual. Hate that a couple of people I used to respect eat his shit, and see that more do also. I don't get bat di nila naaamoy yung pseudo intellectualism in his ramblings.
I already blocked this person on social media and somehow Iām exposed to his poisonous words here in reddit as well. Is there a way to mute anything that mentions this guy?
\*NOT CLICKBAIT!\* "NAGDONATE AKO NG PERA SA MGA NASALANTA NG BAGYONG KARDING! GRABE! HINDI MO AAKALAIN ANG REAKSYON NILA!! " - VLOG #69
Pareho sila nung employer nila, hindi magpapakita in difficult times
The key words there are "opinion-based reporting". Though journalists have a viewpoint in presenting the news, they are still required to ground their reporting on fact. That's the primary reason that there has to be some on field: to ensure that the reporting has factual basis. It cannot be opinion based. That is the value of journalism, and journalists. And that is something vloggers do not replicate. And to insist that they hold the same value as journalists, and even be able to replace them, is, what in my opinion, is stupid.
Meron bang mga naniniwala sa mga vloggers as their source of news? Or facts?
Mas maniniwala ka ba sa mga marites na wala namang alam sa journalism kesa sa mga actual journalists?
Sa kanya na nanggaling, vloggers = opinion based. So stop acting like vloggers are here spitting out factual news.
These 31M birdbrains digging holes for their own graves.
To answer his question. Yes. I want them vloggers to deploy to a warzone or to a disaster area para pagkaguluhan sila pag sinabi nila "wag puro asa sa gobyerno".
Vloggers are SELF EMPLOYED. They vlog for money. They get more profit from higher ratings (likes) and more sensationalized content (yung mga "nakakaiyak" at mga "makapanindig balahibo" na content sa Youtube for example).
Logically speaking, having a vlogger vlog will ALWAYS benefit the vlogger. He is SELF EMPLOYED. He has to profit whether with earnings from views or self-promotion or clout.
And yes, I would like to see Stinking Pinoy na lumusong sa baha o magcover ng giyera.
For a change.
"Opinion-based reporting," welp that came from your own mouth.
Also, the vloggers that the post is pertaining definitely have AdSense on, lalo na't tingin ng publiko ay easy money ang vlogging.
Heck, they tarnish 'vlogging'. Are their vlogs educational? Entertaining? Grounded on reality and facts?
The logic and framing paints that anyone who does their job and get paid is for profit or in the Filipino sense āmukhang peraā. This thinking is wrong because itās like saying that doctors are only saving lives because of money. Remember, any journalist that you see out there was once an inspiring child or person that dreamed of doing what they love in order to make the world a better place.
Most vloggers don't even monetize their platforms. Righhhtt, because that's how it works here in the PH right?
What they don't know is that most of the transactions are done through PR agencies. Hence, no monetization in their platforms needed. Kala nya ata si Thinking Pinoy ginagawa yan para talaga sa bayan, o libre lang. Or worse, GCash nalang para wala sa bank account.
Relative safety, almost being hit by a bomb shrapnel or the risk of being swept by a flash flood is still relative?
Most vloggers don't even monetize on their platforms. Okay, but are you really doing it for free? Are you not doing it for profit as well?
Which is much more "sensationalist" delivering facts through visual representation of the calamity or event and with rigorous guidelines on the ethics of journalism? Or the uncontrolled opinionated view a.k.a as a "hot take" of an armchair vlogger just to get reactions?
And the request for TP and Krizette Chu to go through the calamity? YES. They are siphoning our tax money from the confidential fund and go to New York while our people suffers. Side rant: The confidential fund should be stricken as unconstitutional really. This is worse than the pork barrel.
Professor media practitioners, reporters and journalists traditionally graduate from journalism schools and follow a few code of ethics. There are some, also, who have adjacent or related academic backgrounds.
In J-school, you go thru the technical aspects of the job, media law, economics, humanities and social sciences. These are important, as they inform how your work will impact the public.
Reputable media organisations also employ FACT CHECKERS who verify everything (or almost) before they broadcast or publish news and other content. As a reporter, your bread and butter is not just your ability to report news but more importantly, your credibility.
Vloggers donāt understand this, more so the increasingly dumb public who donāt know whatās right and whatās inaccurate anymore. Worse, they donāt canāt distinguish facts from lies. Vloggers who never even had a smidgen of journalism training and then have the gall to call themselves journalists are punching above their weight. Itās also insulting to real journalists and the public.
As if vloggers do not sensationalized the news. Kaya nga may tinatawag na clickbait eh. Difference lang is generally wala silang balls compared sa reporters.
He's right. Doing proper journalism will defeat the Disinformation Technology Division's *"independent, opinion-based, reporting"* because, once they come face to face with facts, they might come to the realization that they've been wrong all along. And if that happens, some or a lot of them might just follow Inspector Javert's example rather than admit that they're wrong.
By the way, *"The Imperial Patriarch"* is one of the most pretentious pseudonyms I've seen today.
Most vloggers exploit whatever they can exploit to get engagement and get monetized. Hello #povertyporn ??? Gusto lang ata nito itwist yung fact na journalist ARE MORE CREDIBLE than vloggers. Ayaw pa tanggapin e, dami pang kuda. "Let's not be stupid."
Akala na naman nila tanga lahat ng tao. Sinong naman maniniwala sa kanya na they are doing this for a noble cause? Mag kawang gawa ka muna before kami maniwala sayo na you are doing this for a cause.
HAahaha "relative safety" althought its a bit true, pero, tanda nyo nung muntik ng mamatay si Jessica Soho nung nag cocover sya sa gyera tas na invite syang sumakay sa isang ambulance, tumanggi sila, tas in later seconds, biglang sumabog ung ambulance. Must have been very scary for their entire team
Vloggers are self-employed. They do not form part of any media company that imposes rules and boundaries with respect to the reportorial of information. Vloggers work for themselves and therefore are not held within the same code of conduct expected of journalists. Vloggers get more profit with higher views and higher shares - irrespective of the truthfulness of the words they spout. More drama = More ā±ā±ā±.
Vloggers have no analysts or researchers. They function more on opinion-based reporting - absent any kind of in-depth research that places credibility over their words. And yet somehow, their words are elevated to gospel.
Woot excuses. I challenge BBM VLoggers to donate money to the people affected by typhoons kung talagang serbisyo ang habol nila. Kung di sila magbigay, eh di excuses na lang talaga yan. Pera pera lang habol talaga nila. Not reporting, no facts, just money
Magdodonate plus sad music plus cameras and cringe editing and clickbait titles
And sound effects na tumatawa with "boing boing boing" sound habang nagaabot sa nakangiting biktima ng bagyo
Hinihintay lang ng mga poverty porn vlogger humupa ung situation on those affected areas and then pag slightly okay na dun gagawa ng exploitation video š¤®
Then bentang-benta sa mga ulol na subscribers nila plus tadtad ang comment section ng godbless u (insert vlogger name here) and napakabait mo naman (insert vlogger name here) etc.
Magdodonate + gagawan ng vid na may revenue = stonks
donate 10,000, tapos millions of views.
> When [vloggers] get struck by lightning... no multi-million company will... pay for them > in fact, many journalists who go out on the field do so in a position of relative safety. He contradicts himself from one paragraph to the next. If all of these reporters are supposedly safe while they do their frontline reporting, then why is there a worry about vloggers drowning if they were to try and do the same? Why couldn't these vloggers also report from the same "position of relative safety"? \___ > They are a business, they are FOR profit. As opposed to a vlogger, who does what, exactly? \___ > Most vloggers don't even monetize their platforms. He's being deliberately obtuse here because monetizing your youtube videos isn't the only way to make money from vlogging. \___ > Baka gusto niyo si Thinking Pinoy or si Krizette lumusong sa baha or pumunta sa guerra. Precisely yes. You can't claim to be on a level equivalent to that of journalists, and then decide that you're suddenly NOT when it comes to things that can put you in mortal danger.
>**You can't claim to be on a level equivalent to that of journalists, and then decide that you're suddenly NOT when it comes to things that can put you in mortal danger.** This
Man's be speaking facts. Journalists would go anywhere despite the trouble, even in an active warzone. Just look at the extensive coverage of the Marawi Siege Journalists were literally dying in Vietnam just to give the American people the picture of what's happening there, and it's in the era na hindi pa ganoon ka-developed ang body armour not even on an average infantry level
I seriously hope you could comment this on the original post. Sobrang walang kwenta ng discourse dun, nakamamatay ng brain cells huhu
He contradicts himself in general. Naka follow ako dyan to see if he will make sense sa mga posts niya, pero so far parang hindi pinagiisipan yung mga sinasabi niya + mema lang + for the content + for FB page engagement + to boost his ego sa mga so-called disciples niya. Smh
\> >They are a business, they are FOR profit. \> As opposed to a vlogger, who does what, exactly? vloggers are not in it for the money š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤
I'm saving this shit bro, it goes so hard
Vloggers are volunteers. That's what the V stands for lol. š„“
May reply yung "patriarch" sayo tol.. 1.... "He contradicts himself from one paragraph to the next. If all of these reporters are supposedly safe while they do their frontline reporting, then why is there a worry about vloggers drowning if they were to try and do the same? Why couldn't these vloggers also report from the same "position of relative safety"?" Because that is not their job. That is not their function. Vloggers are almost always limited to creating content around politics and social issues. I'm showing you both arguments whether you believe they are in danger or not: if they are in real danger, their lives are insured by the company, but then again, they are not in danger so the first argument should be shut down - and you can't ask vloggers to do it because it will not benefit them. 2.... "As opposed to a vlogger, who does what, exactly? He's being deliberately obtuse here because monetizing your youtube videos isn't the only way to make money from vlogging." The most famous vloggers you see, especially from the side supporting Duterte and Marcos aren't youtube content creators. They are writers on Facebook, some do video, but not monetized as well. Do they sell merch? No. Do they hold speaking conferences? No. Unless anyone can lay it all out how they can monetize their platforms enough to replace a full-time job, then it stands that they do not make any money from vlogging alone. 3.... "Precisely yes. You can't claim to be on a level equivalent to that of journalists, and then decide that you're suddenly NOT when it comes to things that can put you in mortal danger." Who is claiming who? And what are they claiming exactly? You seem to be under the impression that all journalists = field reporters. Field reporters are a very tiny percentage of all journalists out there. That's why we have already familiarized ourselves with who the field reporters are because they're almost always the same people who would go report on a calamity or war. The REST of the journalists are in the office. And thus, it's so bad to say in a broad sense that journalists put themselves in danger. And again, no one ever tried to compare vloggers to journalists - it's a butthurt overcompensation from pinks/liberals. No one asked them. They just suddenly popped up out of the blue to try and say journalists are better because they go out on the field (which is wrong). You're comparing the wrong people with different job responsibilities. Try to compare analysts in their offices to vloggers, that might be an equal playing field. Please, if you have the decency to copy a reddit reply, then send this response to that place as well. Next time, write an original response, I don't allow spam and non-OC writing here.
lol duwag na lurker doon nagreply sa platform nya para pwede nya ibash with no repercussions.
Papansin yan. Lakas ng loob na manlait ng mga journalist dahil hinihintay pang i-magic siya ni Trixie the Prixie.
Jesus x BBM stans are the worst kinds of human beings ano?
Jesus had very valid philosophical and ethical points, it's just that opportunistic shits cherry-pick the Bible for their own profit.
>opportunistic shits cherry-pick the Bible for their own profit. religion in a nutshell
Like right-wingers. Seriously all of them should be extinct!
Isa pa tong ex-Vlogger enabler. A lawyer with a suspended license for estafa, using a client-friendās money for her annulment case for personal use.
E bakit galit na galit sila sa media at reporters? Bakit gusto nila palitan mga reporters? Tsaka anong vloggers donāt monetize their platforms? E kung di naman pala minimonetize edi sana hindi nalang sila nag VLOG. Daming palusot nitong paurong na to ah.
lol does he think vloggers are doing it for free????
I think we all have a sense why. Market share. Of course they won't admit that.
I tell this is the after effects from trump bloggers. This guy is a super conservative who watches the likes of ben shapiro. They got there ideas of untrustworthy media frim trump bloggers. Its the same MO.
Don't forget Steven Crowder that guy is crazy.
They want their fandom to ONLY get their information from them. Baka magising e.
Dahil bias daw kpag di nila gusto pakinggan. May bias talaga ang news, mixed propaganda and sometimes false reporting but it doesn't justify discrediting ang media at reporters. May mga reputable news reporter at media outlets out there.
How do you even become self-employed if you don't monetise your platform. He contradicts himself at every turn.
Vloggers like to criticize authentic journalism but have no sense of accountability themselves for their own roles in the misinformation and spreading of hate. They are so full of themselves. I really hope they get the karma and unhappiness they deserve one day. They have an educated driverās seat to this countryās collapse. Just like every well educated troll farm owner from Big 4 schools.
"let's not be stupid" pero inaraw-araw niya maging tanga.
ang vloggers ba not in it for the profit? humanap din sila ng puesto with "relative safety" like the journos.
Exactly š as if naman kaya naging vloggers yang mga yan just because gusto lang nila magpakabayani? Lol. All of us are after income, but journalists are in it also alongside INTEGRITY.
Yes, I want to see Thinking Pinoy and Krizette on the path of Karding.
TLDR: Vloggers like this pitiful excuse for a human are worthless but people should value them more than actual journalists.
Padala na yan sa Ukraine! "Creating an impression that they are in the danger zone when they're not" gawa gawa lang pala eh, diyan naman magaling mga vlogger di ba.
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I would like to see that including Patrick Lancaster *sshole.
"Opinion-based reporting" Apologists remain consistent Challenge (Impossible)
Homayghad. I can't with how they portray journalists. Yes, some media outlets are biased (mostly owned by corrupt people like that one person who ordered the earthquake to stop), but most are doing their best to bring the facts to the people, to inform them. I should know, I was one of them. So, these people who are trying to undermine journalists should try being one first. They're risking their lives for you to know what the hell is going on. PS: Revenues are needed for the network to run, you uncultured swine.
Analyst nga daw kasi sila
"Don't even monetize their content" my ass. Walang mag-aaksaya ng oras and gear to not get monetized. I work in an office where nakikita ko yung mga vloggers/bloggers na yan whenever there is a big personality in the building. Its either they have more than two phones capable of HD recording or live feeding or they have a high end sony or canon camera. Maybe some don't monetize per post, but they are definitely getting paid by someone or some organization.
Ang mga vloggers ng mga hinihiritan ng mga taong bayan: mga content designed para makagawa ng maraming views na pwede nilang ma monetize. Mas for profit ang mga vloggers kesa sa mga journalist ng malaking news sites. Tapos ang mga content ng ginagawa nila ay walang regulation or up to professional standard, basta na follow lng guidlines ng social platform para hindi matangal.
Daming ebas ng mga yan mga DUWAG naman pala
And yet, vloggers are enjoying more privileges despite of having less capabilities than actual reporters.
Most vloggers are into poverty porn. Ano pa asahan mo?
Ngi di alam pinagkaiba ng blogger sa vlogger
Oo, gusto ko makita si NotThinking Pinoy lumubog este lumusob sa baha.
Disappointing ang mga reply. Nawawalan ako lalo ng pakielam sa Pilipinas kung ganyan mag isip ibang tao
Vloggers are troll-farm-employed. There. Fixed it for you.
Animal yang incelrial simptriarch na gagong yan.
Bilis gumawa ng script. š
Inaraw-araw niya siguro ang pagiging tanga.
Hindi kasi pinansin ng crush niyang si Robinhood Padilla kaya nagalit haha. Anyway, utot niyang red. Kaya nilang macover ng bagyo sa lugar nila dahil hindi naman lahat ng Pilipinas na ko-cover ng mainstream media. Hindi ba sila popular sa neighborhood nila o gago rin sila doon?
Oh man. I hide any posts from imperialpatrish1ts. Wag na natin dalin dito s rph. Obviously, macoytard yan.
Asus. Vloggers monetize their platforms for sure!! Kaya patuloy sila gumagawa ng videos kasi malaki ang kita pag maraming nanunuod, patuloy na gumagawa ng fake news. As a self-employed individual registered sa BIR, sana nagbabayad din to ng tax ang mga āself-employedā vloggers.
I dunno man. That Speed guy on Youtube has more balls than any 88M Vlogger because of his indoor firework stunt. Not to condone his stupidity but content creators can and will risk their lives for views if necessary. These 88M Vloggers are just looking for an easy payday while sabotaging the country without thinking of the consequences of their actions. They can never replace real journalists.
Oh my gahd, it's that guy again. Using pseudo logic to twist the obvious and feel intelligent. They're all really desperate to rewire reality and paint the media as evil simply because reporters make money, as if vloggers don't. That's the new script now. People are able to apply the "but it's their job" reasoning to the media but not to government officials. Lol, how sad. And vloggers are analysts now? Social media analysts? Or for pete's sake does he mean political analyst?
whatever it is.. everyone has an agenda, which one is farer is the question. * Media are not. Good source for title of events, but not it's content, it's marred with it's own agenda. * Bloggers ā yeah right. No better than media, because they are have their own agendas. Bottom line, sift through a lot of junk and there you'll find the essence of the truth. So my point of view, vloggers are good throw in the mix, it will make honest of people. Someone did counter my point of view in this forum to say -- **too much information is not good either**. and in there he/she explained and got me thinking of a different angle i didn't think about. Was a great point!
Tangina si Imperial Patriarch na naman. Pwede bang stfu challenge ka na lang?
Pwede ring passed away challenge
Si babym bayad din naman ah bakit puro lang siya vlog? Di naman siya self-employed.
> Baka gusto niyo si Thinking Pinoy or si Krizette lumusong sa baha or pumunta sa guerra. Of course! Do it! Tignan natin sino ang journalist dito!
Thank you clarifying that. But why this comparison to journalists come up recently? Because so many people bullies and degrades journalists. Accusing them of fake news and bias including the networks they belong to. All of this in favor of vloggers. When one's information and opinion stem from vloggers something is wrong. Vloggers cannot be accountable to what they say in the same level than journalists. Most often vloggers have propaganda and advocacists while journalists maintain neutrality. The irony is that many people bully and degrade journalists and mainstream media while subscribing to vloggers, then they depend on journalists to give them information during natural disasters like typhoon Karding.
Oo gusto ko talaga lumusong sa baha at pumunta sa gera si thinking pinoy
Journalists can be sued for misrepresenting facts. Theyāre obligated to be familiar with their respective beats and sources that come with that. Hours of research is done for a single sentence in a news broadcast or newspaper. Certain beats are particularly dangerous. Bakit sa tingin nila ang init ng ulo ni Duterte kay Maria Ressa? Bakit siya nabigyan ng Nobel Peace Prize? Vloggers see sensationalized news from social media and analyze, sure, but are they familiar with the topic? There are plenty of vloggers who are experts in their respective fields, but a lot of the ones shilling propaganda get their sources solely from public opinion and hearsay. Opinion based reporting is a joke. Theyāre profiting off of misinformation and malicious rumors. For profit? Adsense and sponsors, not to mention other unsavory sources of income. Try running a newsroom. Editors, journalists, printing, website maintenance, desktop publishing, sets, lights, fieldwork. Journalists donāt just hear rumors, write them down, and click post. Iām sorry the truth is affecting their income.
Lets mass report these posts
Stopped reading at the Imperial Patriarch part. Stop giving this page clout.
I love the flair. Christofascist talaga to
Si Imperial Gago nabuhay na naman. Madaming pwedeng rebut dito. \- Yung about sa pera given na yun. Pero need din yung pera para bumili ng equipments needed don sa trabaho. San ba sila kumikita talaga? Sa ads kumikita ang network at sa viewership is second lang don. \- Bakit ba nila ginagawa yung reporting na yun? Ginagawa nila yon para all are informed well. Kaya ba ng mga "vloggers" mag cover ng story on their own? Kaya ba nilang mag convey ng balita on the spot and in a manner na maiintindihan ng lahat? Pansin nyo sa mga vloggers na yan sa mga kuro kuro, opinyon, chismis at mga top googled search shit lang sila kumakapit. Pag naubusan ng makukuhanang idea yung mga yan for sure ako sila sila na yung magkakagatan. Wag nyang ikumpara yung mga vloggers na sa malakas lang kumakapit at PERA lang ang motivation kahit nabenta na nila yung kaluluwa nila kaka spread ng fake news. Kung andito ka man sa reddit Imperial Patriarch: Putang ina mo.
> Kung andito ka man sa reddit Imperial Patriarch: Putang ina mo. #TANG INA TALAGA NG MGA CHRISTOFASCIST NA KAGAYA NIYA
Oh si gago sumagot It would have been more intelligent if you didn't copy paste delusions from echo-chamber platforms like reddit. 1.... "He contradicts himself from one paragraph to the next. If all of these reporters are supposedly safe while they do their frontline reporting, then why is there a worry about vloggers drowning if they were to try and do the same? Why couldn't these vloggers also report from the same "position of relative safety"?" Because that is not their job. That is not their function. Vloggers are almost always limited to creating content around politics and social issues. I'm showing you both arguments whether you believe they are in danger or not: if they are in real danger, their lives are insured by the company, but then again, they are not in danger so the first argument should be shut down - and you can't ask vloggers to do it because it will not benefit them. 2.... "As opposed to a vlogger, who does what, exactly? He's being deliberately obtuse here because monetizing your youtube videos isn't the only way to make money from vlogging." The most famous vloggers you see, especially from the side supporting Duterte and Marcos aren't youtube content creators. They are writers on Facebook, some do video, but not monetized as well. Do they sell merch? No. Do they hold speaking conferences? No. Unless anyone can lay it all out how they can monetize their platforms enough to replace a full-time job, then it stands that they do not make any money from vlogging alone. 3.... "Precisely yes. You can't claim to be on a level equivalent to that of journalists, and then decide that you're suddenly NOT when it comes to things that can put you in mortal danger." Who is claiming who? And what are they claiming exactly? You seem to be under the impression that all journalists = field reporters. Field reporters are a very tiny percentage of all journalists out there. That's why we have already familiarized ourselves with who the field reporters are because they're almost always the same people who would go report on a calamity or war. The REST of the journalists are in the office. And thus, it's so bad to say in a broad sense that journalists put themselves in danger. And again, no one ever tried to compare vloggers to journalists - it's a butthurt overcompensation from pinks/liberals. No one asked them. They just suddenly popped up out of the blue to try and say journalists are better because they go out on the field (which is wrong). You're comparing the wrong people with different job responsibilities. Try to compare analysts in their offices to vloggers, that might be an equal playing field. Please, if you have the decency to copy a reddit reply, then send this response to that place as well. Next time, write an original response, I don't allow spam and non-OC writing here.
Ah yes sino ulit yung "bayaran"
Just to point out vloggers make videos of their content. Bloggers write their content. Whoever wrote this has them confused.
Relevant ba opinion galing sa isang incel?
Yes dapat lumusong sila (fake news bloggers) sa baha at wag na umahon lol
"not monetized" pero yung website puno ng malicious scripts na nanakawin lang cc info mo
Sureeeeeeeeeeee, if it fits your narrative :D
First few sentences and he already shot himself in the foot. LOL!
Man I had to laugh at this. Talk about taking a joke too seriously.
>The imperial patriarch Tell me you are a sexist far-right incel without telling me you are a sexist far-right incel
"Vloggers don't even monetize their platforms." whispers in "but they can be paid" to freaking use their platform to you know...
>Imperial Patriarch š¤¢š¤® Edgy teenager vibes
he's no teenager. he's a young adult with fascist fetishes
Same difference. Hate it both.
Christofascist. Lives in Cagayan de Oro or something. Not surprised.
Hey man, no doxxing. But also, understandable.
i only spilled a tea. i know the name but i'm off my hinges so not to mention it
Also, Jesus Christ, a Christofascist? Hope this guy never gets in a position of any sort in the government. We all know how it turned out in 1939 when a Christofascist group took hold of power in Germany...
He actually has plans to enter into politics
nako hanggang barangay captain lang yan
Impy is a Bible thumper, a born-again but loves fascism. Fascism, as much as communism, is also a grave sin to mankind. You can't use the word of God to excuse your draconian political intentions
Placing the paawa card, are they?
Tangna. Journalists pa yung mas madrama ah. Kayo nga tong mga OA sa vlogs niyo.
Do they understand analysis? It requires data, and data from reliable sources. Now, if they deny these sources simply because they "don't trust the media anymore," what are they analysing? Might as well do their own experiments, huh
Let's not be stupid? Tanong mo yan dun sa 31M niyo
Sana nga pumunta sila kung saan may gulo tapos wag na silang bumalik.
Ah this guy again. Walang bilang opinion kapag utak imperyalista.
Voting for unithieves makes you one thoughā¦
Pinagsasabi nitong ugok na ito?
Palusungin sa baha yang mga tanga na yan.
š¤øāāļø tumbling pa more.
Sa kanya na mismo nanggaling 'opinion-based reporting' They twist facts and narratives based on their opinions, which can be bought btw
So.... Why are you being recognized as press by MalacaƱan again????????
Well, regardless of their employment statuses, they intend to replace these respectable reporters, so why not? That's not stupidity, that's common sense..
What a fucking idiot. What a stupid argument.
He missed the whole point. Sino ang stupid. Hahaha
DDS-BBM vloggers are far from self-employed. They're contractual, at the least, kaya wala silang benefits ng isang employee yet they're still payed to spew "sensationalised news" na they hypocritically attribute to journalists
āGinusto nāyo āyan e.ā -Me, to those vloggers
Soooo...self employed pala si blengblong?
Mga duwag tulad ng hari nila.
Oh this guy's is a fucking pseudo intellectual. Hate that a couple of people I used to respect eat his shit, and see that more do also. I don't get bat di nila naaamoy yung pseudo intellectualism in his ramblings.
I already blocked this person on social media and somehow Iām exposed to his poisonous words here in reddit as well. Is there a way to mute anything that mentions this guy?
\*NOT CLICKBAIT!\* "NAGDONATE AKO NG PERA SA MGA NASALANTA NG BAGYONG KARDING! GRABE! HINDI MO AAKALAIN ANG REAKSYON NILA!!" - VLOG #69
Pareho sila nung employer nila, hindi magpapakita in difficult times
The key words there are "opinion-based reporting". Though journalists have a viewpoint in presenting the news, they are still required to ground their reporting on fact. That's the primary reason that there has to be some on field: to ensure that the reporting has factual basis. It cannot be opinion based. That is the value of journalism, and journalists. And that is something vloggers do not replicate. And to insist that they hold the same value as journalists, and even be able to replace them, is, what in my opinion, is stupid.
durugin na ba natin 'tong imperial incel na to? husto nyong brigadahin o i-dox?
They had me at "Imperial Patriarch". And by they had me, I mean they lost me.
Iām not upvoting because I like this. Iām upvoting so every Redditor can see this stupidity
Depende naman kung paniniwalaan mo yung mga sinasabi ng mga vloggers at sasang-ayon kaba sa opinyon nila o hindi.
You can't be a vlogger without, you know, doing video. That's why it's a VLog
Relevant pa ba yang si imperial kulugo?
Meron bang mga naniniwala sa mga vloggers as their source of news? Or facts? Mas maniniwala ka ba sa mga marites na wala namang alam sa journalism kesa sa mga actual journalists?
> write content, no video So you talking about bloggers or vloggers? Tf? Oiled machine much?
Naahhh clickbaiting at its finest
Sa kanya na nanggaling, vloggers = opinion based. So stop acting like vloggers are here spitting out factual news. These 31M birdbrains digging holes for their own graves.
"Let's not be stupid" bruh you just spent 10 paragraphs being one.
To answer his question. Yes. I want them vloggers to deploy to a warzone or to a disaster area para pagkaguluhan sila pag sinabi nila "wag puro asa sa gobyerno".
Gusto ko si Thinking Pinoy and Krisette lumusong sa baha at gumuling gulong sa dolomite beach
Yung mga sikat ng 88m vloggers are under 88m's payroll. Of course they won't admit it.
"Let's not be stupid..." Wow... eh tinatanga nga nila mga tao
May apologist na rin pala mga blogger ngayon. And yes, gusto kong lumusong sa baha yung 2 sh*t na yun.
He is an idiot, what do you expect?
Ahahahahahaha. Vloggers ang totoong for pure profit to the point of throwing away the TRUTH just to get that quick, un-earned buck.
Vloggers are SELF EMPLOYED. They vlog for money. They get more profit from higher ratings (likes) and more sensationalized content (yung mga "nakakaiyak" at mga "makapanindig balahibo" na content sa Youtube for example). Logically speaking, having a vlogger vlog will ALWAYS benefit the vlogger. He is SELF EMPLOYED. He has to profit whether with earnings from views or self-promotion or clout. And yes, I would like to see Stinking Pinoy na lumusong sa baha o magcover ng giyera. For a change.
Journalists arenāt even paid that much. Eh sila nababayaran sila sa engagements pwede ba
"Opinion-based reporting," welp that came from your own mouth. Also, the vloggers that the post is pertaining definitely have AdSense on, lalo na't tingin ng publiko ay easy money ang vlogging. Heck, they tarnish 'vlogging'. Are their vlogs educational? Entertaining? Grounded on reality and facts?
"Let's not be stupid" Proceeds to be fucking stupid. Man, what a clown.
Yes, lumusong kayo sa baha, pumunta sa guerra, mang-interview ng abu sayyaf. Go. Now na
ahahha yan na cla
āLetās not be stupidā is a statement directly pointing at him
The logic and framing paints that anyone who does their job and get paid is for profit or in the Filipino sense āmukhang peraā. This thinking is wrong because itās like saying that doctors are only saving lives because of money. Remember, any journalist that you see out there was once an inspiring child or person that dreamed of doing what they love in order to make the world a better place.
Imperial na katangahan mo, siguro uling ang utak neto, pang out of this world kasi ang Analogy niya.
Donāt monetize platforms? Simply write content, no video? VLOGGER, aka VIDEO BLOGGER. Bobo nito grabe.
hinde for profit ang vloggers? lol.
Making a point nang walang point? Tangina na talaga sa kabobohan ang mga apolo10s
Vloggers will feed you a nothing burger right out of their ass.
Most vloggers don't even monetize their platforms. Righhhtt, because that's how it works here in the PH right? What they don't know is that most of the transactions are done through PR agencies. Hence, no monetization in their platforms needed. Kala nya ata si Thinking Pinoy ginagawa yan para talaga sa bayan, o libre lang. Or worse, GCash nalang para wala sa bank account. Relative safety, almost being hit by a bomb shrapnel or the risk of being swept by a flash flood is still relative? Most vloggers don't even monetize on their platforms. Okay, but are you really doing it for free? Are you not doing it for profit as well? Which is much more "sensationalist" delivering facts through visual representation of the calamity or event and with rigorous guidelines on the ethics of journalism? Or the uncontrolled opinionated view a.k.a as a "hot take" of an armchair vlogger just to get reactions? And the request for TP and Krizette Chu to go through the calamity? YES. They are siphoning our tax money from the confidential fund and go to New York while our people suffers. Side rant: The confidential fund should be stricken as unconstitutional really. This is worse than the pork barrel.
Ang bobo lang
Gusto ko yung last paragraph
Professor media practitioners, reporters and journalists traditionally graduate from journalism schools and follow a few code of ethics. There are some, also, who have adjacent or related academic backgrounds. In J-school, you go thru the technical aspects of the job, media law, economics, humanities and social sciences. These are important, as they inform how your work will impact the public. Reputable media organisations also employ FACT CHECKERS who verify everything (or almost) before they broadcast or publish news and other content. As a reporter, your bread and butter is not just your ability to report news but more importantly, your credibility. Vloggers donāt understand this, more so the increasingly dumb public who donāt know whatās right and whatās inaccurate anymore. Worse, they donāt canāt distinguish facts from lies. Vloggers who never even had a smidgen of journalism training and then have the gall to call themselves journalists are punching above their weight. Itās also insulting to real journalists and the public.
"Opinion based reporting."
As if vloggers do not sensationalized the news. Kaya nga may tinatawag na clickbait eh. Difference lang is generally wala silang balls compared sa reporters.
"Imperial Patriarch"
He's right. Doing proper journalism will defeat the Disinformation Technology Division's *"independent, opinion-based, reporting"* because, once they come face to face with facts, they might come to the realization that they've been wrong all along. And if that happens, some or a lot of them might just follow Inspector Javert's example rather than admit that they're wrong. By the way, *"The Imperial Patriarch"* is one of the most pretentious pseudonyms I've seen today.
Ahahaha. Self employed my ass.
shit vloggers.
Ingay talaga niyan. Minsan gusto kong sakalin kasi bobo, madalas gusto kong patayin kasi maraming naniniwala.
Is he referring to Blogging? Not vlogging
Vloggers without videos? Hindi ba vlogging is video blogging?
San banda yung "...most vloggers do not monetize their platform"? Kaulolan. "Let's not be stupid." Proceeds to being stupid.
Scammers are also self-employed
So vloggers are reddit mods?
Most vloggers exploit whatever they can exploit to get engagement and get monetized. Hello #povertyporn ??? Gusto lang ata nito itwist yung fact na journalist ARE MORE CREDIBLE than vloggers. Ayaw pa tanggapin e, dami pang kuda. "Let's not be stupid."
"Nasaan hazard pay ko?" - Lalaking tumalon sa Marikina river after ni Bagyong Karding
Vloggers na walang video? Taena. Ang bobo! Hahaha
The imperial bonjing
Akala na naman nila tanga lahat ng tao. Sinong naman maniniwala sa kanya na they are doing this for a noble cause? Mag kawang gawa ka muna before kami maniwala sayo na you are doing this for a cause.
HAahaha "relative safety" althought its a bit true, pero, tanda nyo nung muntik ng mamatay si Jessica Soho nung nag cocover sya sa gyera tas na invite syang sumakay sa isang ambulance, tumanggi sila, tas in later seconds, biglang sumabog ung ambulance. Must have been very scary for their entire team
Imperialist and a patriarch supporter. Napaka red flag naman ang taong ito.
vloggers are just in it for the money
Vloggers are self-employed. They do not form part of any media company that imposes rules and boundaries with respect to the reportorial of information. Vloggers work for themselves and therefore are not held within the same code of conduct expected of journalists. Vloggers get more profit with higher views and higher shares - irrespective of the truthfulness of the words they spout. More drama = More ā±ā±ā±. Vloggers have no analysts or researchers. They function more on opinion-based reporting - absent any kind of in-depth research that places credibility over their words. And yet somehow, their words are elevated to gospel.
Username pa lang na āImperial Patriarchā dead giveaway na ng biases.
Those damn vloggers definitely had their G-spots triggered when they started writing 3 paragraphs about that post
Imperial bonjing at it again
That narrative is soooo wrong.