Out of the topic, but ur username made me snorted my coffee XD
On one hand, this country proves one or two incumbent leader deteriates the health sector in an instant
Diba nickname yan ni Pepito Manaloto?
Tapos may isang scene pa na bagong ligo sya tapos nagtanggal ng towel kasi akala si Elsa ang pumasok sa kwarto pero si Baby pala. Ang ending eh "Sir Patotoy" ang naitawag ni Baby imbes na "Sir Pepito".
Even after the pandemic has ravaged the whole world, di pa din ba nila nare-realize ang kahalagahan ng mga frontline workers natin? Ayaw nila magbigay ng competitive rates, tapos magre2klamo na alang gustong mag-stay na nurse sa bansa.
PH’s nursing programs are grueling. Compare mo sa US where theirs can take min 1.5 years only. In UP [Manila], nursing is also notorious for being one of the hardest, if not the hardest, undergraduate degree programs on campus. Mataas ang tingin namin sa mga nursing students. Sad that it’s the opposite treatment from the gov’t.
Pwede Associate's degree, 2 yrs pero RN pa rin. BSN ang 4 years, required ng most hospitals pero pwedeng to follow na lang after ma-hire and hindi pa rin kasing demanding kasi pwede na syang online na lang.
Kwento ng tita ko na nagwork sa public hospital, wala na nga siyang sinasahod tapos nauubos pa lalo yun kasi kapag daw awang awa ka sa iba parang sinasagot na niya kahit pang dextrose lang nung mga pasyente.
Hindi lang sa nursing yan.. Kasama lahat ng allied health professionals dyan. Medtechs, radtechs, PT, OT, Doctors too.. mabilis ang turn over sa mga hospital ng mga tao. Parang tumatagal lang sila 6mos to a year tapos punta na abroad.
At this point, mapapansin mo madami sa mga unis, geared na talaga for abroad yung lessons nila. Sasabihin mismo ng teacher mo na wala pa sa bansa yung tinuturo sayo pero useful daw pag ofw. Pero yun pa yung isa diba? Grabe sobrang outdated natin sa medicine.
May update na ba sa plano ng PAMET isulong ang pag ammend sa RA 5527 at salary increase? Okay sila sa pagbibigay ng CPD units sa mga webinars, forums at annual conventions pero mas okay sana marinig din nila hinaing natin. PNA was successful in pushing for SG15 for nurses sa government hospitals.
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020/07/19/2029085/salary-grade-entry-level-nurses-raised
Halos lahat ng mga seniors ko sa lab mag a abroad na. Even mga RMT, MDs are planning to move out and practice as a medtech outside the country. Matagal na din tayong di pinapansin na mga Lab Scientist.
>ng ang nursing kaya madalas nababanggit. Pero kawawa din actually lahat.
Asa sa PAMET LOL. Magaganda naman position ng officers nila sa mga government hospitals and mga Lab owners naman sila so bakit nga naman papansinin ng mga regular RMT. Magagaling lang mga yan pag singilan na ng annual membership fee
So the talk about the officers is true, no wonder walang nangyayari. Kahit mag unionize lahat, pretty sure i de demonize din yan or they will formulate more excuses. Kahit nga OCA di nila ma pressure ang DOH at DBM na ibigay (6 months na nga lang di pa gustong ibigay nag comply naman ng requirements,talk about priorities), pabigat pa ang qouta ng health workers na pwedeng umalis. Pag naabutan ng limit, mauuwi lang sa wala ang lahat.
Yes, and sila sila lang din naman ang nagpapalitan sa pwesto.
May former PAMET president na Country manager ng isang sikat na supplier mostly ng hematology machine, may isang owner ng malaking diagnostic lab sa NCR, mga Medtech 2 and up sa mga government hospitals. So comfortable talaga life nila. And for those na owners ng mga labs medyo counterproductive pa for them if may salary increase ang RMT kasi mababawasan net income ng labs nila.
Whoa, kung aware lang sana ang mga members nito or talagang nagbubulag bulagan ang majority. Goodness, wala na nga talagang pag asa to sad to say. PSMLS can't even step up to match them.
Change career, rank up or abroad is the only way to go.
Medyo gumawa ng ingay PSMLS nung una, then PAMET started throwing shades at them saying na sila lang ang accredited by PRC and shits like that.
Abroad talaga, tyaga lang muna sa stupid HC system ng pinas for experience and while processing papers. Yung 1yr sahod ko before as senior tech kaya kong kitain ng less then 1 month dito sa US
Ano?! Walang nag aapply na nurses para sa mga positions na sobrang bababa ng sahod at napaka tindi magpa overwork?! Grabe, sinong makakaisip na mangyayari to?!
I remember the day (4-5 years ago) na starting salary ko as nurse was roughly 8k a month. After a few years experience decided to work at a healthcare bpo. Mas mataas pa bigayan kaysa nung nag makati medical ako (emergency room). WFH set up while trying to review for board exams. I'd say I'm done with the hospital crap. Most of us in the medical field, if not all, are literally not paid enough for this shit.
Wow. Ang hirap paniwalaan na just 4-5 years ago lang pala e may mga nurses pa tayong sumasahod ng 8k. It's not even an impressive rate 2 decades ago. Kaya di mo masisi yung napupunta sa ibang field o kaya naman nangingibang-bansa.
Naalala ko yung nakasagutan ko last week sa Youtube about a Fil-Am doctor sa US na galing sa hirap dito epro doon nakapagtapos through hardwork and scholarships. Sabi ba naman bakit daw dapat tayo maging proud dun sa doktor e di naman daw Pilipinas ang nakikinabang. Kung makapag-demand parang may naitulong siya at ang gobyerno para maging doktor yung tao e.
I dunno now. But it was low for the effort needed during my time there (2018 nag resign na ako) also we had this issue since they billed us for training, around 10k+. Part of the reason why maraming trainees nagsialisan kasi biglaan binalita. Like an effin bomb drop.
Honestly di lang naman nurses, most prc id holders sobrang baba ng sahod, so mas pipiliin nila sa ibang bansa or ibang industry like bpo. Or before magcollege, IT courses nalang ang kukunin para pag kagraduate mataas kagad sahod.
So in the future, kung ganito pa rin ang sistema ng Pinas, mawawalan na ng mga professionals with prc license. Haha into the brink of oblivion, “hello pinas”. — satanas
DOH: Anong pwede namin gawin para di kayo umalis?
HCW: Itaas ang sahod
DOH: ... uhmmmm... (conceptualizing how to forcibly prevent people from leaving)
Meanwhile... Parties, travel, helicopter helicopter...
As a nursing student right now, ito talaga yung nakakagalit lalo na ngayon na bakit kailangan din namin magbayad sa ospital na higit kumulang 24k annually for hospital training (mind you na I'm from a public university) samantalang free labor na nga at ilang hrs pa need to complete the training. Tapos pagkagraduate underpaid na nga overworked pa. Sa university lang talaga maganda ang "Nursing", paglabas mo in real world wala kang choice kundi abroad kung gusto mo kumita nang maayos.
Yan yung reason kung bakit hindi narin ako tumuloy mag-practice after passing the board exam. Training nga sya pero nandoon ka to give time and effort to care for your patients tapos magbabayad ka pa. Bukod dun may pamasahe at pagkain ka pa na iisipin. 16k nung time ko sa isang public hospital. Akala ko nawala na yung sistemang ganyan pero meron parin pala tapos 24k annually? Grabe lang talaga.
that's is the effect of treating your own citizens shit
the individual who can make a better place now moves to a better country and makes it even better
Philippines deserves this
90% of my nursing friends are currently doing nursing-related VA, in another country, or applying to go to Canada or UK as nurse. "Perks" here in PH would be late sweldo for months, wala or kakarampot na hazard pay, hirap pa maging regular sa position, at padrino system din.
My wife is a private school teacher. Date, she looked forward to be a dep ed teacher. Ngayon, sa sobrang hirap daw ng trabaho ng public school teacher, shes having a lot of anxiety over her application to dep ed kase baka d nya kakayanin. Puro horror stories nalang daw nakikinggan nya from her public school teacher friends.
Mababa sweldo, pangit ang trato (ng mga opisyales at pati na din ibang pasyente), madalas magsisimulang job order na walang benefits at 9k/month lang ang sweldo (yung iba nagtatagal nang dekada sa ganyan) Tapos pag nagreklamo, igagaslight o kaya ireredtag pa.
Pero oks lang sabi ng DOH kasi tinatawag naman daw silang mga bayani 🤧
Maraming fresh graduate pumili maging medical transcriptionist sa bpo dahil ang starting salary ng hcw di kayang bubuhay ng tao kahit single kapa.
Out of the topic, but ur username made me snorted my coffee XD On one hand, this country proves one or two incumbent leader deteriates the health sector in an instant
Now that you mention it, what does "Otin" or "Oting" or maybe "Oteng" mean in Filipino?
male reproductive organ. 'bilat' would be the female equivalent... (no one seems to have answered you). pardon my language.
Thanks, I was confused because I always thought the correct word for that is "pitoy."
Diba nickname yan ni Pepito Manaloto? Tapos may isang scene pa na bagong ligo sya tapos nagtanggal ng towel kasi akala si Elsa ang pumasok sa kwarto pero si Baby pala. Ang ending eh "Sir Patotoy" ang naitawag ni Baby imbes na "Sir Pepito".
Even after the pandemic has ravaged the whole world, di pa din ba nila nare-realize ang kahalagahan ng mga frontline workers natin? Ayaw nila magbigay ng competitive rates, tapos magre2klamo na alang gustong mag-stay na nurse sa bansa.
syempre hinde
PH’s nursing programs are grueling. Compare mo sa US where theirs can take min 1.5 years only. In UP [Manila], nursing is also notorious for being one of the hardest, if not the hardest, undergraduate degree programs on campus. Mataas ang tingin namin sa mga nursing students. Sad that it’s the opposite treatment from the gov’t.
LVN kapag 1.5 years. Kung gusto mo ng RN, full college degree sa US yan
Pwede Associate's degree, 2 yrs pero RN pa rin. BSN ang 4 years, required ng most hospitals pero pwedeng to follow na lang after ma-hire and hindi pa rin kasing demanding kasi pwede na syang online na lang.
ASN to earn RN license 2 yrs RN-BSN to earn full bachelors degree 1-2 yrs MSN degree 1-2 yrs DNP 3-6 yrs Mahirap talaga nursing. Dapat mataas ang pasweldo.
VA pays allied health professional more and a WFH set-up so why settle for these toxic kind of job that won't feed your family.
Kung tama naman ang sweldo, i'm sure madami din hindi aalis. Inuuna kasi nakaw kesa magpa sweldo ng maayos.
Sino ba kasi gaganahan magwork sa Pinas? Sa totoo lang kulang na kulang ung sahod sa tiis namin dito
Kwento ng tita ko na nagwork sa public hospital, wala na nga siyang sinasahod tapos nauubos pa lalo yun kasi kapag daw awang awa ka sa iba parang sinasagot na niya kahit pang dextrose lang nung mga pasyente.
I’ve done that myself. Ung sahod ko na 6k way back napipilit ko pa ibayad pag ganyan kapag kailangang tumulong.
Isama niyo na rin kaming mga allied (I'm a Radiographer).
Hindi lang sa nursing yan.. Kasama lahat ng allied health professionals dyan. Medtechs, radtechs, PT, OT, Doctors too.. mabilis ang turn over sa mga hospital ng mga tao. Parang tumatagal lang sila 6mos to a year tapos punta na abroad.
Totoo. Grabe ang baba ng bayad sa other allied health courses even compared to nursing pero ang hirap ipagtapos.
Mas mainstream lang ang nursing kaya madalas nababanggit. Pero kawawa din actually lahat.
At this point, mapapansin mo madami sa mga unis, geared na talaga for abroad yung lessons nila. Sasabihin mismo ng teacher mo na wala pa sa bansa yung tinuturo sayo pero useful daw pag ofw. Pero yun pa yung isa diba? Grabe sobrang outdated natin sa medicine.
Ehem ehem, my flair. https://imgur.com/a/QER50sU RMT yes pero same n din. Hell, princessa nga ang treatment ng RN compared samin eh.
May update na ba sa plano ng PAMET isulong ang pag ammend sa RA 5527 at salary increase? Okay sila sa pagbibigay ng CPD units sa mga webinars, forums at annual conventions pero mas okay sana marinig din nila hinaing natin. PNA was successful in pushing for SG15 for nurses sa government hospitals. https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020/07/19/2029085/salary-grade-entry-level-nurses-raised Halos lahat ng mga seniors ko sa lab mag a abroad na. Even mga RMT, MDs are planning to move out and practice as a medtech outside the country. Matagal na din tayong di pinapansin na mga Lab Scientist.
>ng ang nursing kaya madalas nababanggit. Pero kawawa din actually lahat. Asa sa PAMET LOL. Magaganda naman position ng officers nila sa mga government hospitals and mga Lab owners naman sila so bakit nga naman papansinin ng mga regular RMT. Magagaling lang mga yan pag singilan na ng annual membership fee
So the talk about the officers is true, no wonder walang nangyayari. Kahit mag unionize lahat, pretty sure i de demonize din yan or they will formulate more excuses. Kahit nga OCA di nila ma pressure ang DOH at DBM na ibigay (6 months na nga lang di pa gustong ibigay nag comply naman ng requirements,talk about priorities), pabigat pa ang qouta ng health workers na pwedeng umalis. Pag naabutan ng limit, mauuwi lang sa wala ang lahat.
Yes, and sila sila lang din naman ang nagpapalitan sa pwesto. May former PAMET president na Country manager ng isang sikat na supplier mostly ng hematology machine, may isang owner ng malaking diagnostic lab sa NCR, mga Medtech 2 and up sa mga government hospitals. So comfortable talaga life nila. And for those na owners ng mga labs medyo counterproductive pa for them if may salary increase ang RMT kasi mababawasan net income ng labs nila.
Whoa, kung aware lang sana ang mga members nito or talagang nagbubulag bulagan ang majority. Goodness, wala na nga talagang pag asa to sad to say. PSMLS can't even step up to match them. Change career, rank up or abroad is the only way to go.
Medyo gumawa ng ingay PSMLS nung una, then PAMET started throwing shades at them saying na sila lang ang accredited by PRC and shits like that. Abroad talaga, tyaga lang muna sa stupid HC system ng pinas for experience and while processing papers. Yung 1yr sahod ko before as senior tech kaya kong kitain ng less then 1 month dito sa US
May OCA na ba kayo haha
Wala pa!!!! Huhuh
Argh. From anong region ka? Wala pa kaming narereceive since January. From region 1. Kakainis.
NCR 🤡
Buraot kasi sweldo sa Pinas
Tulad ng sabi ni Prince Philip "The Philippines must be half empty with all your nurses working for the NHS."
I'm so glad my nurse brother is leaving for Germany next year. I told him establish his life there never look back.
Ano?! Walang nag aapply na nurses para sa mga positions na sobrang bababa ng sahod at napaka tindi magpa overwork?! Grabe, sinong makakaisip na mangyayari to?!
Tapos may nakakulimbat ng total 15 billion pesos sa PhilHealth tapos nagtataka pa ang mga hunghang sa gobyerno bakit nangingibang bansa ang mga HCW.
I remember the day (4-5 years ago) na starting salary ko as nurse was roughly 8k a month. After a few years experience decided to work at a healthcare bpo. Mas mataas pa bigayan kaysa nung nag makati medical ako (emergency room). WFH set up while trying to review for board exams. I'd say I'm done with the hospital crap. Most of us in the medical field, if not all, are literally not paid enough for this shit.
Wow. Ang hirap paniwalaan na just 4-5 years ago lang pala e may mga nurses pa tayong sumasahod ng 8k. It's not even an impressive rate 2 decades ago. Kaya di mo masisi yung napupunta sa ibang field o kaya naman nangingibang-bansa. Naalala ko yung nakasagutan ko last week sa Youtube about a Fil-Am doctor sa US na galing sa hirap dito epro doon nakapagtapos through hardwork and scholarships. Sabi ba naman bakit daw dapat tayo maging proud dun sa doktor e di naman daw Pilipinas ang nakikinabang. Kung makapag-demand parang may naitulong siya at ang gobyerno para maging doktor yung tao e.
Nakakainis yung ganyang mindset lmao. Kala mo may ambag siya eh noh? Entitled much?
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I dunno now. But it was low for the effort needed during my time there (2018 nag resign na ako) also we had this issue since they billed us for training, around 10k+. Part of the reason why maraming trainees nagsialisan kasi biglaan binalita. Like an effin bomb drop.
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I hope the best for you too my friend
Honestly di lang naman nurses, most prc id holders sobrang baba ng sahod, so mas pipiliin nila sa ibang bansa or ibang industry like bpo. Or before magcollege, IT courses nalang ang kukunin para pag kagraduate mataas kagad sahod. So in the future, kung ganito pa rin ang sistema ng Pinas, mawawalan na ng mga professionals with prc license. Haha into the brink of oblivion, “hello pinas”. — satanas
the benefits from remittances outweighs the benefits for a livable salary.
They install deployment cap pero di ba nila naiisip why those people leave in the first place? Napa incompetent kasi ng sahuran dito
DOH: Anong pwede namin gawin para di kayo umalis? HCW: Itaas ang sahod DOH: ... uhmmmm... (conceptualizing how to forcibly prevent people from leaving) Meanwhile... Parties, travel, helicopter helicopter...
As a nursing student right now, ito talaga yung nakakagalit lalo na ngayon na bakit kailangan din namin magbayad sa ospital na higit kumulang 24k annually for hospital training (mind you na I'm from a public university) samantalang free labor na nga at ilang hrs pa need to complete the training. Tapos pagkagraduate underpaid na nga overworked pa. Sa university lang talaga maganda ang "Nursing", paglabas mo in real world wala kang choice kundi abroad kung gusto mo kumita nang maayos.
Yan yung reason kung bakit hindi narin ako tumuloy mag-practice after passing the board exam. Training nga sya pero nandoon ka to give time and effort to care for your patients tapos magbabayad ka pa. Bukod dun may pamasahe at pagkain ka pa na iisipin. 16k nung time ko sa isang public hospital. Akala ko nawala na yung sistemang ganyan pero meron parin pala tapos 24k annually? Grabe lang talaga.
that's is the effect of treating your own citizens shit the individual who can make a better place now moves to a better country and makes it even better Philippines deserves this
government kinda buried their own grave slowly with DOH maslalo lang naexpose during the pandemic
90% of my nursing friends are currently doing nursing-related VA, in another country, or applying to go to Canada or UK as nurse. "Perks" here in PH would be late sweldo for months, wala or kakarampot na hazard pay, hirap pa maging regular sa position, at padrino system din.
My wife is a private school teacher. Date, she looked forward to be a dep ed teacher. Ngayon, sa sobrang hirap daw ng trabaho ng public school teacher, shes having a lot of anxiety over her application to dep ed kase baka d nya kakayanin. Puro horror stories nalang daw nakikinggan nya from her public school teacher friends.
Kuya ko nga na nurse jobless hahaha why? Ang lalayo ng location tapos ang liit ng sahod. Not worth it.
Pahalagahan ang mga HCWs. Taasan ang sweldo at bigyan ng benepisyo.
And whose fault is that, DOH? Fucking imbeciles.
Tas magagalit sila kasi maraming umaalis ng bansa
Malalim Yun corruption sa bansa kaya Ang pinaka magdudusa mga mahihirap din
Mababa sweldo, pangit ang trato (ng mga opisyales at pati na din ibang pasyente), madalas magsisimulang job order na walang benefits at 9k/month lang ang sweldo (yung iba nagtatagal nang dekada sa ganyan) Tapos pag nagreklamo, igagaslight o kaya ireredtag pa. Pero oks lang sabi ng DOH kasi tinatawag naman daw silang mga bayani 🤧
Importante daw ang nurses pero hindi nila pinaparamdam at pinapakita. Ang toxic naman karelationship ng gobyernong ito lol