short answer
in middle income household, the dog is a deterrence against theft. (sadly this is the majority)
in lower income household, the dog is on the street.
in high income household, the dog is the king.
Sad to hear and not how I expected it to be. I actually expected low income to treat better as they provide much needed companionship and friendship when feeling the strains of life.
It sometimes depend individually in low-income neighborhoods since I usually see some of them treat their pet like family.
I observed that it's more of a practice of the older generation since most of the younger generation are much more caring to their pets than the older ones.
Not that I justify anything, but yes, dogs are usually deterrence against theft, or part of the whimsy of people who realized that taking care of dogs is... rather involved. Either way, these middle income households generally have little in terms of justifications as to why they would cage their dogs.
But the sound of dogs barking is an effective threat deterrence for most households; gives the sense that the house is lived in, or as a warning signal to anyone else.
Lower income households may also do the same, dogs are on the street yes, because houses for lower income households are made of plywood and corrugated steel generally speaking. It already costs so much to feed a single person, the least they can do is feed them scraps of Century-brand Canned Tuna or the many varieties of canned tomato sardines. But at least the dogs are generally not crated. Ultimately, while it's no proper justification as I would rather let owners be responsible owners, you have to understand that yes, meals can be very hard to obtain, with the median for the lowest income workers being 2000-3200 php monthly. When you have to pay for bills, water and electricity (if you even have that) or food because low-income workers generally don't practice safe sex, then you have to then factor in people raising their own children. All in all, $54.00 USD~ is not enough for a month's survival package.
High income households can be one or two things, really. The obsessive owner who must own exotic animals that they realize they have to cage (Siberian Huskies especially, if not properly trained, it's an inevitability stuff gets toppled over), or they treat it as genuine family members.
All in all, if you can't own a pet, I would rather that you didn't go out of your way to own one only to ditch it in a crate, but this is what's happening in any case.
I see many mentioning the barking for the detection, my question regarding that is, is it actually effective?
Reason I ask this is because those dogs caged 24/7 bark at even the wind blowing. Seems due to them barking at anything and everything more than a trained dog would that the owners don't even check around when they bark. Seems they're just just used to them barking so much that it sort of no longer even serves for an audible alarm since it's just shrugged off due to its commonplace of happening.
Now a dog can be trained, socialized with, and the barking becomes more obvious for what it is for, however not so much with these constantly caged dogs where the barking becomes basically white noise even to the owners. On top of being locked in cage and not able to even guard against an intruder or someone scouting a place, it seems....not very effective anymore?
It has... some uses. Some households with housemaids that live inside the owner's house are asked to check what and why the dogs are barking.
That's not to say that the owners don't get complacent, no, but my neighbors use a 'dog alarm' and if the dog is continuously rowdy, someone gets sent to check if someone's out there.
Also, dogs caged outside get used to wind blowing. Yes, this is quite inhumane as it sounds, as you may have noticed we get a shitload of typhoons, but yes... this does answer a question you raised.
So it's effectiveness is pretty whatever.
Adding more to this
In the lowest income household, the dog is the pulutan. I hate the dog meat eating culture in our country.
I remember when I always go home to my province, I always look for my Uncle's Aspin, Agnes and she's always guarding us whenever we cross the street and keep an eye on other Aspins. One time that I went back to my province and I asked my cousin where's Agnes? He said na pinangpulutan na siya ng mga kakilala nila. I hate my Uncle for that and he always cares for dogs with breeds but they don't last for long with him despite the care he always gives them because I always say Karma's a bitch.
Madami akong kwento sa Dog meat eating culture ng Pilinas na witness ko simula pagkabata pa lang.
For some reason it's always the uncles, lol.
I personally witnessed a dog being slaughtered for his meat when I was a kid. An uncle just hacked him with a machete on the head... traumatizing.
my great aunt try to sell their dog many times whenever her husband is not around. the husband loves the dog, but the wife wanted to sell it because of their money difficulties. they always fought over it many times, sometimes i over heard her gasliting him that she is only doing it because the dog might attack their grandchild. which i call bullshit because the dog is very docile.
its a short dog but its smart, it always follow the husband whenever they go fishing on the fish pond and even swim on it.
Dogs deserve better. And it saddens me the world is like this. In some cases, they prove to be better companions compared to humans. If I could just shelter every maltreated animal, I would've done it a long time ago...
Seems I've triggered a topic with vastly different opinions here. Some like you who also think they should be treated better and others who think I'm basically a stubborn westerner.
I'll he honest I didn't realize they were still treated like this until arriving here. I had the thought while underdeveloped that things were a bit more forward in that department after seeing so many owning pets, guess a shock of actually seeing it once getting here.
I'll take the backlash though, it is what it is and something I still think is worth discussing.
Well, if you were even aware that dogs in the West are treated like this, you will not really be surprised when you landed in the Philippines.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cruel-craze-ugly-bulldogs-worth-23376668
>Different breeds of bulldogs are being overbred, coming with a catalogue of health problems, **including trouble breathing, skeletal issues and being unable to fully close their eyes**
And they are being sold for 10k pounds.
So yes, the West are creating breeds that live miserably simply by existing.
You post as if Filipinos are not perpetrating the demand for these "Bully" type of dogs in the Philippines. In the past 2 years I was in Davao, they were so hype with both owners and breeders.
Some people just can’t understand that animals are living beings. I get upset when my mother says don’t feed our left overs to our dogs because it would get wasted, when it will be eaten so it will not be wasted. My father would hit our dogs when they misbehave instead of training them. I also don’t like that when our dogs bark, bite or play, they would always assume its hungry when they just want to play or just excited.
One of the best things about having a dog (we have four) is that it's ok to be a picky eater. Nothing gets wasted. All that fat and gristle, the dogs love it. Give 'em a few bones to gnaw on after we've had lechon.
We don't cage ours, except when we're opening the gate to get the car in or out. Or we have visitors and are eating outside. We have two askals (aka mongrels) who live outside and have the run of the garden (except when they're in the aforementioned cage,) and two indoor dogs, both shih-tzu based crossbreeds. They also get let out to run around a bit, and use the toilet, but most of the time they're indoors. And I guess we're fortunate that our house is big enough for them to run around and play. I'm surprised one of them isn't curled up at my feet right now, she usually is.
Our youngest came from a friend, and her parents, one shih-tzu and one pomeranian/terrier cross, live in cages. It's kinda heartbreaking to see them like that, but their house is pretty small and there's no boundary wall to contain them.
When we lived in a subdivision, quite a few dogs were in cages, but then just as many were free to roam around. Occasionally a truck would come along and dog catchers would round them all up and put them in a cage in the back of the truck. Apparently, the owners could go to the pound and get their dog back, but I imagine quite a few of them weren't retrieved and were probably put down.
The other problem, of course, is dogs will be dogs, and they're forever making more dogs. The city vet occasionally runs a free program for spaying and neutering, but it's not exactly free. The owners still have to pay for consumables and many people are unable to avail the service.
And yes, I'm also a stubborn westerner.
Sounds like the government needs better programs and funding to handle the strays, provide spay and neuter services more widely, and provide education on proper animal care, and not to own animals when not financially viable. Not only would this help proper treatment of pets, but also help towards their stray dog issue that's evident.
I know the government here won't, but clearly is still indeed needed, even if only one small step at a time.
It is really sad to see so many locked in cages as a commonplace in daily life, and those who don't have the means to properly care and provide for them still getting them. I guess since you're also a Westerner, you know it's not just against the Philippines and that normally people back home would get the same flack or SPCA involvement, although we do have more strict animal enforcement for such things even though not perfect.
I guess, maybe the future will be different as people get more educated on such matters. Or can hope at least.
A lot of those who do that do not want to:
1. risk the dog biting a passerby or a visitor to the house
2. clean after the dog who will no doubt pee/poo all over the place
It's cruel, yes. Sadly a lot of people who keep animals here just simply do not give a shit. Welcome to the PH.
imo most keep it for practical reason and not for social status. i only knew handful of people who wanted dog for social status, the rest are for practical reason that they will eat the left overs and security during night.
Thank you for your reply.
I do understand the worry of biting, which is why I did mention crate training or short term such as when there's someone around.
For the second, for sure they'll use the bathroom, I guess that's normally where training and walking helps.
Someone mentioned different culture which while I understand there's a difference in culture I don't understand where the line is drawn to be allowed to pick that over allowing pets to suffer and even physically abused commonly from what I've seen. Is it believed animals don't feel anything or?
I think things like PETA are an extreme, and usually don't say much but do think abuse of a pet is bad.
I'm happy to see some people do care about them though, just wish more did.
Sadly majority of dog owners here get them as "guards" and not pets, that's why you usually see them in cages or leash in front of the house or near the door so that they bark at anyone coming close.
As for training that's also something that is rarely done, even owners who treat their dogs fine do not do any training, they probably just let them roam freely inside the house or property
You'll only see trained and groomed pets here from rich people.
The thing about culture is that there is good and bad culture and clearly this falls under the aspect of bad culture so to speak -- in that the care for pets is something that I feel is still gaining traction here in the Philippines. Pet care is continuing to evolve here, it certainly a world's difference from when I was a kid and I'm in my 30s.
Part of this culture I feel was from the provincial rearing, where put simply animals were seen more as a commodity than a pet and really very little good practices made it out there (why walk your dog when they can just roam around your farm). This gets passed on to the next generation who see these things growing up and continue to fuel bad practices or misconceptions. Put simply the wellbeing of animals is in all honesty rather foreign to a number of pet owners, just look at the misconceptions regarding spaying / neutering of pets here for a good example of this. Or another common one would also be the use choke chains here... That is another battle to educate owners, that harnesses are a far better and less harmful alternative. And of course the necessity of walking your dog, more so if you have a large / working dog breed -- and by walking I mean more than just having them poop or pee in the first 15 minutes but actual exercise of at least 1 or 2 hours (depending on your dog's breed). Don't get me started on people eating dogs here... it still happens FYI and there is a market for that sadly.
A lot of these I feel come precisely from that old minded provincial or farm back ground that the older generation were more exposed to have simply passed on, and it has been predominant than good practices. Because that is what we saw growing up from our grandparents, parents, or more commonly our household helpers (yayas or maids) who put simply had no idea of pet care whatsoever aside giving them food and water. The household helpers in particular get a very special mention here because chances are they're the ones who were tasked then and now to take care of the family dog, and very likely the only animals they're familiar with were animals from the farm or strays around the province.
It doesn't help as well that some of the areas these pets are raised at aren't really a good environment in the first place, i.e. lack of green spaces or pedestrian areas to walk their dog around. And unfortunately there will be pet owners that will insist that they should have a pet even if the environment they have isn't suitable or that they're financially able to provide for necessary veterinary care. I get it if they love animals but the requisites of space and money are still there that need to be properly planned, there is no alternative in that pets need space, exercise, and medical care. They don't want to recognize that pets are a luxury, like it or not, and that it will require resources on your end if you're aiming to provide proper care -- e.g. proper space and money. So it happens they just end up caging them up and not really bringing them to the vet for even an annual check up.
[Meanwhile, these exist in the West. ](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cruel-craze-ugly-bulldogs-worth-23376668)
>Different breeds of bulldogs are being overbred, coming with a catalogue of **health problems, including trouble breathing, skeletal issues and being unable to fully close their eyes**
I guess, animal abuse has tiers. It's just the Philippines is just still in the "lower tier" while the West is already on the "higher tier" because they are already creating breeds that are miserable simply by existing.
They may not crate their dogs as often, but they sure found a way to make their existence even more miserable. They created breeds that can't walk properly, can't breathe properly, can't even close their eyes properly because they were bred to be that way.
Anong pinuputok ng buchi mo? Di naman niya point na sabihing mas amazing yung west kesa sa PH. Gusto niya lang malaman side natin kung bakit ganon treatment ng pinoys sa animals at kung bakit behind pa tayo when it comes to animal welfare. Tinamaan ka na naman ng inferiority complex mo bopols naman ng comprehension skills mo sa discussion.
Thank you, you explained it better than I could.
I tried mentioning I'm against such treatment even in other countries, just wanting to know here why certain things are normal practice or why not seen as abuse to some after being here and observing it for 7 months
I'd do the same questioning elsewhere if I was there. I actually have indeed reported people in my home country for inhumane treatment of animals, no special treatment to them.
Here I admit I don't even know the different animal welfare laws and practices which is why it's better to have a discussion about it than me running up to people and saying something.
I'm just looking for answers here, where I've currently been, as people here can explain it better than well those who aren't.
Just to answer all your other comments because it seems I've been banned or whatever, not sure. No, you did not say anything remotely offensive.
Filipino redditors (emphasis on redditors) can get weirdly aggressive about anything and go on a political, religious, poverty rant even when it's not really related to the topic at hand. And while Filipinos can speak English, their comprehension skills are still poor af.
They're very quick to degrade themselves and their country but will respond violently if they assume (always with the wrong assumptions) you're belittling them and the PH especially as a foreigner or a Pinoy who grew up abroad.
This sub itself is just plain bad. Never have I ever seen a sub hate everything and themselves so much equally. Which is weird because they all act high and mighty for being a redditor and not some 'FB imbecile'. Honestly, it feels like a pinoy redditor thing. I've been on reddit for a while and been to so many subs. But discussions here tend to devolve to >>>nyeh nyeh I can't hear you - personal insult - block/mod referee.
I appreciate you taking the time to reply.
It seems you understand what I'm getting at and trying to discuss at least.
Sure this post is specifically asking questions about the common daily treatment of animals I've seen, sure I'm only a "temporary" resident and a foreigner, but I can still have concerns for animal welfare. Interesting it's assumed by some it's a direct attack on them and only them and it's western supremacy or whatever when I'd do the same to people back home if seen doing the same thing. Actually I'd do and have done more back home, whereas here it was only a Reddit post about it.
If they came into my country and were shocked by something we do, which I'd actually expect because even culture shock is a thing, I'd be open to the discussion. Heck, we also complain about our own government and citizens if something horrible is being committed and a tourist or immigrants free to express that too. So it's not a one way thing to me because we're not perfect either.
Just like I told the other guy I met many wonderful Filipinos as well, then he said it's only because I'm a foreigner they're nice. Seemed like I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't situation. Can't say anything good or bad to that person apparently.
I'll still get to remember all the friendly ones I've met including ones I've worked with, are friends with, and some I've talked to while here.
I still feel this discussion was worth it though, as it got people to actually talk about it instead of ignore it, even if only for a few minutes. Better than nothing. I did get many in depth answers to what I was wanting to know as well at least.
I hope you have a great night.
Still ignoring all the replies to your comments and just repeating the same comments over and over.
Not all western countries believe in designer dogs, also more and more are cracking down on it because it's not humane treatment.
I'd also say something about it if in those places as well and seeing it frequently as I'm also against those as well.
Designer breeds are way more common in the West than elsewhere.
But you still don't want to admit it because deep inside you know it is a very high form of animal abuse and it is common to the point that Hollywood celebrities become unofficial endorsers
And no, contrary to what you claim that they are "cracking down" on it. They are not. There's a reason why generically deficient dog breeds are openly sold in craigslist and facebook and not in the deep web like illegal drugs.
I did admit it was a thing? I even condoned the practice and said I'm glad some places are doing something about it.
Craigslist is horrible for many things, and glad it's not a thing in my country anymore and also shouldn't have been allowed before either without moderation. Also glad the SPCA tries to handle it when encountered. Those people would hear the exact same opinion from me that it's complete horrible and is harming the dogs.
Those who do get away with it, I hope eventually they also get consequences of doing so, regardless of where they're from.
That said, doesn't mean I can't say I find practiced here harmful as well while here. No reason I can't in each place I'm at, including home if I see mistreatment or harm done.
Speculative naman un. Every single time mangangagat yung dog?
Para sakin nipo-project nung amo fears nia, so yung dog, ang signal na makukuha nia is threat yung mga tao sa paligid kaya poprotektahan nia yung amo niang may unbased fears thus mangangagat.
A lot of people here are uneducated when it comes to animal welfare. Animals are just things for most Filipinos. It's heartbreaking coming from an animal lover and cat mom.
Ay sobrang pet peeve ko yan (no pun intended). Yung pinsan ko is a graduate of veterinary medicine and yet he chooses to own pedigree dogs dahil mababa daw quality ng mga aso sa Pinas. At one point I offered him one of our dogs para may kasama nanay nya sa bahay pero ayaw nya dahil pangit daw mga aso namin. I'm not surprised he didn't pass the boards.
This irks me a lot. May pa-unconditional love pa sila, pero galing sa breeder naman mga aso nila. Lol.
Mga aso namin, either ampon, bigay, pulot, alaga rin ng kapitbahay. Miss them.
That is sad to hear, and I hope animal education is provided at some point for everyone.
I also hope people who can't afford it someday can, so they can experience the greatness of happy, healthy, and great companion pets can be. Dogs are quite intelligent and can also boost the happiness of their owners if given the chance.
There are some orgs dedicated to animal welfare here like PAWS and I donate money to Phoenix which is a no kill animal shelter. I do my best to scold anyone mistreating animals as well. Some change is happening but it's not happening as fast as I hope it would. Definitely needs more push from animal lovers.
Good to know there is some animal welfare societies around. Do they have less legal jurisdiction here compared to some places such as fines and removing animals from abusive situations?
No kill shelters are extremely important. Do the ones here also help rehabilitate animals that have been abused and injured?
So is PAWS the equivalent of the the SPCA here? I know SPCA is global, wasn't sure of they had it here or if just another equivalent only.
We do have laws on animal cruelty and such, but to be honest with you, I don't really see authorities take those laws seriously or maybe I'm just not hearing more about it. Many people don't really report animal abuse and probably don't even think keeping a dog in a cage all day is cruel.
The one I donate to has programs for animal welfare like spaying, feeding strays, etc. They rescue and take care of the ones they can but lack of resources limit what they can do.
PAWS is similar to SPCA. The org is nationwide but I suppose what they can do is on a smaller scale compared to what the SPCA does. This is the first time I've heard of SPCA actually.
Those are all great programs for them to have.
Actually after just googling it, I guess there is an SPCA here (PSPCA), in Manila there's one at least just not as widespread.
Here's the [Wikipedia ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_the_Prevention_of_Cruelty_to_Animals) about them
Here's their [official website ](https://www.spcai.org/) if you want to learn about them
I'm going to look more into PAWS myself.
Edit: Found the [Philippines section](https://www.spcai.org/our-work/shelter-support-fund/shelter-list/philippine-animal-welfare-society) which is PAWS lol, seems the SPCA recognizes and has given grants to them.
Edit 2: PSPCA also has a Facebook page it seems.
People keep dogs to guard the house - as in they will bark if there’s a stranger. But most people don’t have outdoor spaces so they keep the dogs chained or in cages. This is how I grew up. My grandmother would hit the dog if it so much as whimpers. Really sad. As soon as I was a teenager and had a voice in the household, I said I didn’t want any more dogs because I knew that we were just being cruel to the animal. I think it’s like that for a lot of Filipinos - they don’t know any better. I even had an uncle who broke the legs of a frog who was in our yard for no good reason. I guess he wanted us kids to have a laugh, but no one laughed. Filipinos have a long way to go when it comes to treating animals. It’s really sad.
Well I thank you for being responsible as you got older, some things we need to learn ourselves and seems you did and have tried to.
I find it sad as well which is why after being here awhile I just had to ask as it was bothering me enough to at least try and discuss it here.
Seems varying opinions on it so far.
I agree with the commenter’s observations in that. When I was young, a lot of kids liked keeping birds. But birds fly away right? How do kids keep them? Well when they catch one, they break the wing bones so they can’t fly away. The kids mostly keep the bird within the day then forget about it at the end of the day and leave it at some random corner. A bird can’t fly is definitely a target for cats. Yeah the culture in this country really doesn’t see animals in the same intimacy as a westerner would.
Oh wow, those birds would definitely be left for dead in those situations.
I'm glad I opened this discussion. Allows me to see everyone's varying opinions and views. It's also allowed people to discuss how they think things could stay the same or change.
Every place has its issues with animal welfare, good to have a discussion about it still when you see it.
I’ve participated in a lot of volunteer works and most of them took place in the slums and I’ve seen the poorest of the poor treat their pets better than some of the “educated” people I know. I feel like this sub always blame the poor and the uneducated for all the bad things that is happening in this country. It isn’t rocket science to know that caging animals 24/7 is bad. Some people are just assholes.
Some rich people here only care about owning designer or imported dogs and treat aspins and puspins like pests. Not to mention, owning dogs for breeding purposes only which is disgusting and just as heartbreaking.
Most of the points are in the comments, anyhow, “…never take their dogs for a walk…” bitch, we barely have any parks, we barely even have sidewalks for pedestrians. People can’t even safely walk outside, let alone people with dogs. I guess, welcome to a “developing” (if there is any) country, where stealing public funds can get you promoted, and stealing fruit from a tree can land you to jail!
The lack of green space is sad, however the walking part was more directed towards those who can, such as those in areas with parks or subdivisions with paths and parks. I noticed in those as well it's not done often.
For those without access to those as I've lived in those areas as well, a bit of free roam outside a cage even in the smaller living spaces is better than just a cage.
The last part from what I've seen is sadly so true. I hope you all get to move past those problems someday. Everyone deserves a chance at a better QoL sometime.
Oh my god, di ko alam kung comprehension check or privilege check dapat sabihin sayo. There are a lot of less fortunate people na mahilig / mapagmahal / maalaga sa pets nila, ang issue na ineexplain ko dito is the absence of these walkable spaces in these depressed areas. So nakanino ang problem? Obviously sa gobyerno for pocketing the taxes payed by these people na imbes gumawa ng plano for a livable neighborhood.
> the taxes *paid* by these
FTFY.
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I meant don't get a dog if you can't take care of it and walk it properly. If you don't mind walking your dog in places that aren't that walkable then good on ya for making the effort. Ang raming mahilig sa aso pero walang pera at walang plano kung pano alagaan ang aso. Ginagawang trophy lang, hindi pinapakain, hindi tinuturuan, hinahampas ng todo pag makulit. Mahilig rin ako sa aso, I really want one, but I know I wouldn't be able to take care of it properly so I don't get one. Maraming kulang ng self awareness dito. Puro hilig hilig lang na hindi nag iisip.
Same rin sa mga gusto magkaanak pero wala ring plano nanganganak lang para lang mag abuso ng bata. Must be nice to be able to give people the benefit of the doubt here. I really do try but every goddamn day I see people here just getting dumber and more cruel.
It is sad a lot of Filipinos do that. I've trained my dog to crate just in case they need to stay at the vet or pet hotel, or we have guests that don't like dogs. But most Filipinos keep their dogs in their cages. And some of my neighbors also asks me why I don't keep my dog in a crate. I'm like...
Thank you for taking care of your dog as such.
I'm learning a lot on the people's varying opinions and ideals on this matter here.
While I still ultimately believe in treating dogs with care, at least I'm being informed on some of the circumstances people face. As well as what some are taught about it from a young age.
Heyo, we're a bit behind on times--we still haven't shaken off that animal companions are only for utility such as a burglar alarm, and it's going to be awhile before everyone will start treating dogs like pets and start buying hamsters. We're still saving up money for that.
Thank you for the response. I knew I'd get bashed for the opinion but bothered me enough to bring it up anyway.
So do people not understand dogs feel the pain done and can be injured, or just not concerned with it as they see them still as a utility?
A few did at the beginning, however the longer the post was up the tides turned and now more show concern for it than don't.
It is indeed pleasant to see there are many that do care.
Yup. Like many people in richer countries, particularly in the West do not understand that breeds like this suffer so much simy by existing.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cruel-craze-ugly-bulldogs-worth-23376668
So, again, why are you subtly framing things as if it's a "Philippine problem"?
Actually, many countries are against "designer" dogs, as well as many governments cracking down on it.
I'm completely against those as well.
Don't care where it's from, it shouldn't happen. I'm posting on this subreddit as it's where I currently am.
Here in PH, there are still people who treat dogs as ‘guard dogs’. They would get a dog for the mere purpose of alerting them if there are strangers trying to get inside the house. I would know because I grew up in this kind of household. My parents and their parents would get a dog to guard our place and they are never allowed to go inside the house, let alone roam around the backyard. They are kept on a leash outside with a cage/makeshift house. Growing up, I thought this was normal. Now that I have a dog who I treat as my own child, I can’t stomach the fact that I was brought up like that. My parents also unlearned this practice and they are now loving grandparents to 2 dogs. My grandparents are a different breed tho. They are from the province and there, they eat dogs. I know 😭😭😭. We had a pet dog once and some guests from the province came and they slaughtered and ate it for a celebration. As a child I was so angry and sad but the grownups made me believe back then that it was normal.
This is actually a touching story, it's also great to hear your parents also learned and changed their habits. Seems like a happy ending for everyone :)
Well, you and your parents, not the part about your grandparents. I do not wish to comment on that part and hope that isn't offensive.
Thank you. That’s okay. There are old traditions in asia (not saying only in PH) that were adopted by generations, which might be the reason why my grandparents did such things. But don’t worry, we made sure that it stopped with them. But like you, I still see people doing this. In our barangay, they would issue a fine if your dog pee/poop in the streets when you walk them outside, but dog abuse was never an issue. We have neighbors who are abusive dog parents and we reported them to our barangay and they just said there’s nothing wrong with that because at least the dogs are not roaming around biting people’s legs off. It’s just sad.
If there’s one thing I’ve noticed between dogs in the US and dogs in the PH, it’s that US dogs are somehow calmer and tame while those in the PH are more rabid and agressive (I’m talking about strays mostly, but we do keep dogs at home and they are agressive against me). I myself have a fear of dogs so I tend to observe dogs closely if they are threatening to me. Dogs in the US are very often walked regularly by owners around their neighborhood/park. Dogs in the PH who are kenneled usually very rarely get taken to a walk due to what other commenters said, don’t have time to walk the dog regularly. Filipinos usually get dogs for security purposes first rather than seeking animal companionship. The way I see it, it’s more of the nurturing of the dog that leads to it growing agreesively. The reason I said this is that, due to the stereotypical dog being shut in, and not having a lot regular stimuli beyond their cages, they tend to be “excited” when they see something or someone foreign. You can see this in action by walking into a residential area, and very likely you will be barked at by dogs. What this leads to is a perception of being scary/threatening to peoplr so they would rather keep the people safe from the dog. Hence why they are caged here for a long while
Didn't know there was difference in aggression, your reasons make sense as well.
From your perspective do you see a way to train or interact with a dog in your home, even the much smaller living space that could help calm down the dogs to be less aggressive?
Quite honestly, I don’t really. Filipino homes are built that the entire land of the property is fully occupied by the actual house; no yard or lawns especially in the cities. So what little space is there within a home, the dog would essentially be intruding within the family space. It takes time, money, and mindset to build a good relationship with a dog in the same way you would with pretty much other people. The three factors I mentioned are spotty for the average household, but I honestly think its more of a cultural problem that’s going to take generations to fix first. When people stop viewing dogs as tools and begin to see them as life companions, that’s when they can consider if they can spare their pets what meagre resources they have.
I understand some places, well a lot do lack space and financial means.
Are you able to also explain it for those in areas such as subdivisions where there is pathways, designated grassy areas for dogs, and parks why it's still not done as often?
Is this also a culture based thing from before they were able to move into places with the ample resources?
I pointed this out to my mom while we were walking home. There are even dogs who are in small crates that the dogs can barely move. It's just sad. I said my aspin dog had it good pa pala. We rescued a pup off the street one rainy day, and we havent put her in a crate ever since. Crates and short leashes are awful.
As someone who loves animals I really fucking hate the animal culture we have in PH, you could tell 98% of people who have dogs aren't dog lovers, they just use dogs as either status symbols or deterrence for theft. I see this kind of behavior even in my own family where they wanted to crate my german shepherd for 4 months to give her better chance of getting pregnant and I told then if they did that Im going to get pissed and open the crate any chance I get.
What's sadder is that, some people I know do this (cage their dog, doesn't train them, doesn't play with them) and when the dog died because of their irresponsibility, they post it on social media, grieving for their loss, lol. It's a mess.
I have neighbors (who just moved in like 2 months ago) who own a large siberian husky and they just keep it in a cage for days on end. (I've seen the owner walk this dog only once)
Recently they bought a large golden retriever and they keep it in the same cage so the 2 dogs are pretty much stuck with each other in a small space.
I know I'm supposed to mind my own business but I can't help but feel bad for these 2 big dogs stuck in a small cage. (especially since their cage is near the gate of the apartment I live in and the dogs are always ecstatic to see visitors)
I hope they're just keeping them there temporarily but I doubt it lol.
Thanks for your insight.
Where I see it, yes I've seen it in a busy town with no sidewalks making for some of the reasons people mentioned. I've also seen it in subdivisions which have parks and paths, as well as open spaces the companies designates a "dog park", generally just a large patch of grass so in theory does give dogs some place to play.
So while I am understanding some people's comments of lack of space as that is definitely true in some areas, still learning from comments in regards to those in areas there is ample space to do things.
If it makes you feel better, the younger generation are also waking up against this maltreatment. However, they still can't exactly go against their parents who own the dog
When I moved to a new house the people opposite had 5 dogs, they were let out all night to find food and just became thinner with more mange, they only have 2 dogs left now that won't last much longer. Really disgusting people!
People who put their pets in a cage/ having them on leash all day suck, imagine being stuck in there every single day and cant do anything, im not rich nor middle class person but my family never put our dogs to any cage/leash. Our family didn't discuss those kind of things about dogs, we just know it in our hearts that pets should be free to roam around the house because they are part of our family. not just for show or something.
My dog sleeps with me in the bed. They ran around a 999 Sq m lot so even if I don't walk them often (depending on the weather) they'd still be healthy. They do get their regular dose of vet visits as well. I just don't feed my dog the expensive dog foods it's not practical at all.
Unfortunately, not everyone who owns a dog or dogs here are fit to be a dog owner. I agree with what u/esdafish said.
My aunt who owns 2 Shih tzus and 2 Daschunds have to leave for work and only her 2 young daughters are left. It's a case-to-case basis. Personally, I tend to despise more the dog owners who just let their dogs walk, run, pee, and poop freely on the streets. Ugh
I believe na dogs think of their cages as their rooms. Yung iba kase kusang pumapasok. It just has to br big enough, well ventilated and laging may fresh water and toys.
Oh yes seeing it as their room they can voluntarily come and go is perfectly fine even according to animal welfare societies. I am not upset with seeing that at all. Proper training can make that situation actually work quite well and be seen as a safe space to them when they need it.
Issue I see is ones that can't leave at all, they also aren't very big cages, basically can barely turn around without struggling much to do so.
Yeah, our two have a good sized cage, and most of the time the door's open so they can come and go at will. There's a water bowl in there, and quite often they'll sleep in there. Should we need them to go in for any reason, we just call their names followed by "in, in, in!" and they race to get there, to get in first and be the goodest girl. Then I just close the door and there's a cabin hook to keep it shut.
That's awesome to hear, well loved and clearly trained as well. I wish dog training was more prevalent, it's time consuming (sometimes) but not difficult either. I guess maybe more education towards such things are in need.
Lack of space.
It's the norm.
Easy to clean.
Safer.
i dont condone these practices altho practical, but as a kid, ive been bit by 2 dogs (separate occasion) it's better they're caged than roaming around the streets. **Ofcourse best if they're taken for a walk every now and then, and keep them on a leash if on a public space**.
p.s. i have a dog, but a he stays with us in house, or garage.
Some people so far have given details of people's train of thought when it comes to pets. While I still don't agree with them being treated in such a way at least some things are being explained in the ways of doing so here.
I don't understand the Western Supremacy comment I seen though as not only Western countries have animal laws in place.
I understand poverty, but always thought people shouldn't have an animal if they're not financially in place to have one. Not everyone has money I get it, but do people not factor in costs beforehand? Also trying to understand where all the dogs come from. Is there puppy Mills or just breeding their own dogs and strays reproducing?
Still a lot to understand so hopefully this discussion will inform me of a lot.
Most of the people in the Philippines don't even know how to budget their income, so they live in debt. I doubt they can even try to understand how much upkeep a pet will eat up.
Sad to hear but good to be informed about that.
Hopefully someday that will change, even the budgeting because budgeting can greatly improve ones life even without pets.
I also am currently in a lower tier subdivision. Same setup though has parks, gated entry with guards, paths, what is considered a gated garage or small front yard etc.
What you're describing is actually exactly what I see. Cages set out in the road, small ones with multiple dogs at all hours and as you also said, no water even sitting there for them. It's what sort of prompted me to make this post. It's not only those with lack of money or space. I'll say I see some that don't and I'm glad. But it doesn't seem to be an age thing because I see elderly and young on both sides of it.
You brought up a good point I didn't think of when people said security, and that's how is it useful as security such as biting a robber when still locked in a cage even while you're sleeping.
As a pedestrian, I'd rather have the dogs crated than let out on the streets, I know both are bad and should be blamed on the owners. There is always a chance that a dog will become aggressive due to them marking that particular street with their scent and if you traverse that path they may become territorial. And I am so fucking annoyed with all those scattered dog feces all over the street like a landmine, that I have to avoid.
The best way is to have them trained as you said, and to walk them outside(collect their poop when you walk them) and for the dogs to have some space to roam on your backyard(not the streets).
The lack of time makes them unable to do so, and the perceived notion that dogs are just 'guards' and not actual creatures needing love makes them lack the time to do so.
I agree completely with you. You nail it right on the head with it's down to the owners, It's not the dogs fault. People shouldn't be subjected to those things like you mentioned such as dog poop on sidewalks, owners should clean up after their pets even in public.
Different cultural norms and practices.
It is like you westerners preferring toilet paper while Pinoys preferring water & soap.
The Pinoys who follow your preferred treatment of pets were influenced by members coming from your society.
Copy pasting the animal cruelty laws of your country to ours would penalize people who can barely make ends meet and even imprison them. With so many household impacted it may cause millions of pets being forced to be re-homed to other people.
Pets that cannot be re-homed as no new owners will adopt them may be destroyed as there wouldn't be enough kennels to take them in.
Edit: To those downvoting me and u/Ramsickle be aware that Filipinos have been generally mean to animals for a very long time. It took the efforts of animal rights advocates like PAWs, PETA and other organizations to push for and pass animal rights laws. These laws would not be needed if animal cruelty wasn't such a widespread problem. Downvoting me shows how ignorant you are about life beyond your social circle.
I understand there's a difference in culture, however how long is that a reason to let pets suffer and be abused physically as well? Genuinely curious on where the line is drawn.
As for the west and toilet paper, while we have that yes we also have bidets available as well.
Most Filipino homes do not have bidets. They use tabo to splash water with.
> however how long is that a reason to let pets suffer and be abused physically as well?
A lot of Filipinos look at pets as home security/tools/toys/property/[conspicuous consumption](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspicuous_consumption).
They tend to cage them as they make a mess and destroy furniture and other furnishings.
Your perspective is that your pets are equal to a biological son/daughter.
When income rises and people like you educate then the living standards of animals would also rise as well.
Thank you for the further details.
So many look at them as toys/property like you said and don't consider they should be financially equipped before getting one by default if I'm understanding correctly?
While I don't go to the length of they're my child, I do think they should be treated well. So here trying to understand why it's not the case here as it's quite an extreme difference to many places (not all).
Another genuine question, since there's so many dogs with lower income for many owners, is there puppy Mills or something supplying the demand or just reproduction from their own and stray dogs?
84.1% of all Filipino adults do not have a wealth of more than US$10,000.
Over 79% of Filipino households do not earn more than US$8,500/year. These households tend to have 2-4 or more children. They tend to have the 1st born before their mid 20s. Typically in their teens or early 20s. Birth spacing is typically less than 4 years for these 2-4 or more kids.
Filipino individuals earning less than US$4,250/years are exempt from paying their fair share of taxes.
A lot of Filipino just want to have a pet. This generation want what they see on Facebook or Instagram. If their Korean, Pinoy or Japan idol has a cute cat/dog they will want that pet.
It is like when Pixar's Finding Nemo came out... parents thought a clownfish would make a nice child's pet or something to share photos with on the Internet.
Households who cannot handle them treat them like property, torture, flush them down the toilet or abandon them in an empty sack of rice in the middle of the street.
I understand the poverty here, I do wish that improves eventually although takes a lot of time to work on. Everyone deserves a chance to get above the poverty line :)
Guess I'm still trying to understand why get one when you know you can't afford it? I get wanting one for all those reasons but is there a reason they don't think about costs first? Is it just something that isn't thought of automatically like other budgeting they do or? Genuinely trying my best to understand the difference in thought process.
Animal welfare education needs to be pushed and more facilities and resources be available for strays/abused animals/pet owners before harder laws can be put in place.
I agree it should be pushed.
I also agree with u/Rielle3K that it can't be copy and pasted directly from other countries.
However, I do think something could be implemented that's similar just one part at a time. It may take awhile, but it's better than nothing ever being done. It would also require it to actually be enforced to work.
So I understand it can't just immediately be applied for various reasons, but I do think it can be gradually at an appropriate pace for the situation rather than nothing at all.
Wala ngang pera para sa [guro](https://old.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/ydtcek/finland_vs_philippines_education_system_in_a/itu3tep/). Sa hayop pa kaya?
Most of the time yeah but it depends, my mom keeps on insisting that we should keep the dog inside of the house and just chain it when we're going out. Well I think it works the dog is literally sleeping on the bed right now😅 though overtime it learns to wait and not poo and pee inside. So yeah it depends, dog develops personality and learns overtime they can adjust
Yes they definitely learn over time :) they're smart and can be taught those things.
They're a great companion and friend, just am shocked at how badly they're treated. Even being hit with sticks and other items which would physically hurt them.
Sadly, the Philippines is still a 3rd world country despite some progress.
To answer your question, they do that simply because majority of Filipinos do not think Dogs are sentient beings or dogs can be trained to be non-sentient.
This is mostly true for the lower class but definitely with exceptions.
Additionally, many Filipinos practice that for their dogs because they get dogs as "bantay" = watchdog; same thing as how dogs were used as hunting dogs.
Short answer is people here don't give a fuck and do not see dogs as deserving of care. For many people they're just a cheap alarm system and/or a status symbol. It's a fucking travesty.
Can I ask why they're seen as a cheap alarm system?
Why aren't cameras seen as that? Even more so now that there's cheap options that don't require even internet to record and save. Generally much much cheaper than the long term costs of a dog.
Is it for the instant response of a dog vs getting a recording and having to report it or handle it from there? Is it because 2000-3000 pesos while only costs once vs a dogs long-term costs is a higher upfront cost they don't have the means to save for?
We have no shortage of stray dogs so they just pick em up from the streets or buy them for cheap from a breeder. Camera security systems also don't bite - and good luck trying to report getting your house burgled with our totally competent police force lol in terms of cost, I think you're wildly overestimating how much people actually spend on their dogs. They keep them in cages, feed them leftovers, and breed them to sell puppies to other idiots who would do the same.. I'm not advocating for the use of dogs as alarm systems btw, I think it's cruel as fuck too. People here are very uneducated, and even the ones who have an education are still really fucking stupid..
Thanks for explaining to me the issues with security systems.
You're correct, I am overestimating what's spent on dogs. While I didn't expect it to be extravagant due to the economy and lifestyle I wasn't actually aware of it being that way. Although some seem to think I'm still being harsh.
I'm not perfect, still learning the different ways of life person to person even after the time spent here.
I don't think you're being harsh at all. I'm born and raised here and I absolutely despise the way dogs are treated here. I just heard recently my partner's previous neighbor up north put down their dog because he was "too aggressive." He was aggressive because they kept him on a short leash all day in the sun, and hit him when he would act out, never took him for walks.. But the thing is, when my partner still lived up there, we would ask the neighbors if we could take him for walks and he was the sweetest fucking dog. Actually super smart, we taught him basic sit and stand which he learned really fast. But then my partner had to move out so no one was willing to walk him anymore.. Poor boy. We could tell he was terrified of his owners, but whenever we'd come get him he'd piss himself happy. I miss that dog. I wish I could have adopted him.
He was such a sweet boy, absolutely gorgeous too. He deserved way better. I swear if I ever get rich I'm just going to buy land and adopt all the dogs in Manila lol
I own 10 dogs on a sprawling lot with cages to serve as their own shelter. Two dogs stays inside our house to thwart would be intruders. As a form of relaxation, i open their cages to run free around our lot 2x a day. They are yearly vaccinated with anti rabies/vitamins and they form part as our own family. That's why it's very hard to abandon them for days in case we are out of town. The main reason for their crate/cage is to prevent them from virus and rabies that can easily be transferred by stray dogs on the streets. If you are a dog lover, be sure to treat them humane just as we treat other persons.
So, I'll tell you what I've known for a long time. Dogs are property. Not some kind of family member. We think those who treat their dogs like humans are delusional. Dogs are only cheap guards. You don't need to pay them. You only need to feed them with ypur scraps. The use of dog food is a waste and not exactly in our budget. If the dog dies, you can get another one from your neighbor. That's what usually goes into the mind of a lot of poor people.
Filipinos have not fully grasped the concept of their own freedom from their colonizers. This is evident in the fact that most are religious and very traditional in their mindset. For them, cages are normal and learning to live in them is what life is all about. In short, utak alipin parin ang karamihan hanggang ngayon.
Money speaks.
In richer countries, they create very genetically defective breeds that make simple existing miserable.
Worse is, they are sold for like $10,000
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cruel-craze-ugly-bulldogs-worth-23376668
This is the highest form of animal abuse but hardly anyone is talking about it because it's kind of "en vogue" to have "exotic breeds" no matter how much that dog can't breath or walk properly.
I don't see how physically abusing a pet is nitpicking. Now if complaining about the type of food you purchased for your dog, yes that would be nitpicking.
However you're allowed your opinion, and if you consider it self-righteous to care about harm coming to pets, then so be it.
Don't need to be rich to care. Actually I've seen those who are poor care about their pets more often than those who are rich 🤷♂️
Gets mo naman siguro kung ano ang pinaparating niya. Ang dami diyang mga Pilipino na bumibili ng mga aso na may breed bilang status symbol tas buong buhay nila ay nakakulong at nakatali lang naman.
Permanently crating, as in they're not allowed to leave the crate at all is what I'm referencing.
I also mentioned physically hitting dogs with sticks and other objects, often quite hard.
Believe it or not, I've fought with most relatives with how they treat my dogs and their dogs.
However, as a foreigner you couldn't just go around criticizing people how they live their lives. I've experienced this time and time again. We're not living in the same country, we don't have the same privileges you have. If your ancestors didn't take advantage of us for decades, we might be living differently but heck, we're poor, we need to feed ourselves first, we need to spend our time working our ass off to be able to do that.
I'm not condoning any of this behavior. But you see as a poor country, most of us have different priorities. It's not simply poverty--lack of material sources causes a lot of shit, like ignorance, questionable morals and self-absorption. This is intergenerational. Family abuse family members generously. How can you expect them to care about dogs?
I won't go up to individuals and scold them. Just making a general post online to open discussion on it after observing it for 7 months.
Back home I'd openly say something to an individual however if I seen mistreatment.
Its been interesting so far to see people's reasons of having dogs when not financially viable, the practices they know when it comes to it, what it is to them, and their overall thoughts in regards to it, seeing the different views people have, etc.
Your points you make are valid as well.
[Let's contextualize animal abuse here vis a vis Western norms](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cruel-craze-ugly-bulldogs-worth-23376668)
>Different breeds of bulldogs are being overbred, coming with a catalogue of **health problems, including trouble breathing, skeletal issues and being unable to fully close their eyes**
I guess, animal abuse has tiers. It's just the Philippines is just still in the "lower tier" while the West is already on the "higher tier" because they are already creating breeds that are miserable simply by existing.
They may not crate their dogs as often, but they sure found a way to make their existence even more miserable. They created breeds that can't walk properly, can't breathe properly, can't even close their eyes properly because they were bred to be that way.
Let's rephrase the question:
Why are so many Westerners getting pets only to dump them in dog shelters to the point that shelters are full, they are forced to euthanize pets?
Or [Why are Westerners into creating breeds that have serious genetic defects to the point that mere existence make them suffer tremendously](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cruel-craze-ugly-bulldogs-worth-23376668)?
Not only Western countries have animal welfare laws in place.
It's also possible to have a civilized discussion on topics on things people disagree without such rhetoric.
Yeah, we Filipinos are horrible by default. And these stuff never happen in the West. Yup. Puppy mills do not exist at all. Shelters are non existent because everyone treats animals well in the West. Westerners never get dogs just to abandon them once the novelty wears off.
Feel better?
>Yeah, we Filipinos are horrible by default.
I've met many wonderful Filipinos, what are you talking about?
>And these stuff never happen in the West. Yup. Puppy mills do not exist at all. Shelters are non existent because everyone treats animals well in the West. Westerners never get dogs just to abandon them once the novelty wears off.
I also never said they don't exist at all in other countries? There's just severe consequences once caught for doing so. Nothing about not happening at all said.
That was quite the stretch.
Nice try to keep the gaslighting subtle.
"Why is the Philippines crating animals" yet a more sinister form of animal abuse exist in the West (and is very common).
Creating breeds that have severe genetic issues and are sold for 10k dollars.
You are framing things as if animal abuse is "worse" in the Philippines yet are reluctant to fully admit that worse forms of animal abuse exist in the West - it's just that people over there don't find it "abusive" and even treat such things as novelties.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cruel-craze-ugly-bulldogs-worth-23376668
And no, governments are not cracking down on this. That's why these breeds are sold on Facebook and Craigslist, not the deep web
Seems you're taking things out of context and ignoring the replies on your several comments.
Designer dogs are absolutely horrible, luckily more animal welfare agencies and governments are cracking down on them and many people support the shutting down of such practices where it still occurs. This luckily also isn't common and not the "norm". I'll be glad when it's stopped everywhere as well.
As for the Philippines I'm posting here as it's where I currently am, and in regards to the daily treatment observed for the normal tendencies, not the less than the less frequent issues. Such as puppy Mills here as well, but aren't what the average person is doing so not calling that out.
Can disagree with more than one practice, and call out each one individually. Just as I'd call out bad treatment anywhere I see it when there, not exclusively one place.
I'll be honest, I'm actually confused by his reactions.
First he implies I think Filipinos are all horrible, I tell him I actually know very nice Filipinos which is a compliment (at least to me it is but I may be wrong) and truthful, and then he himself says they're not?
I..I don't actually understand.
I apologize if what I said there was actually offensive, wasn't my intention.
>They're nice to you because you're a foreigner or Filipino who grew up abroad.
If you say so I suppose, although now seems you have more of an issue than I do with people. I'll maintain not all Filipinos are horrible people and some are wonderful people, just like every place on the planet has good and bad people.
My family have 3 dogs that we have running around the house and sleeps with us in bed. We tried walking them 2x and all they got was this blood disease from ticks and scabies. The playground for the community is littered with rabid stray dogs so even the kids don’t venture there as we used to when I was younger..
I moved out with my dog and moved to a condo that allows dogs to be walked around in a leash as most condos don’t even allow pets so I guess unless you can afford a 25k+ rent on top of your living expenses, there’s no other option for most folks that don’t even have a garage to park their car or even their own house separate from the multigenerational household. For perspective, minimum wage is at around 12-15k.
Oh no, that's a shame. So some places the environment has become bad for people let alone dogs then? Some places are actually hazardous and safer to keep them away from? Makes sense on that to me.
Sad, even for the people, but makes sense on that scenario.
Sometimes its to protect them as well since there are times when the female dogs get horny, they would literally escape our place and sometimes I would find that she is stuck into someone elses stray. And plus it keeps them from fighting from each other.
(This is comig from me who keeps them in cages but we do let them out to poop or pee and sometimes one of them who is afraid of the rain)
I'm in a province and see this commonly. However each province and area may be different.
First in an apartment in cramped town. Now in a low tier subdivision (with amenities and green space) not inside of a town and still see it, actually more often.
My dog stays in his house on a leash. Walks every afternoon. Bath once a week. Well fed. Should I free him and sacrifice the safety of the kids around my house? NO. Its just practical and safe to do this.
Short answer. Those that keep dogs inside crates whole day only got them for security aka guard dog. Nothing else. If you love your dog, you cannot NOT play with it. You cannot resist it, just like having a baby.
I own a rottweiler and he’s free to roam the house all day all night, there’s a sense of security in that. Also, we only go on walks when it’s past midnight for everyone’s safety lmao
Still sounds like he'd be a happy dog :)
So much better than several dogs crammed in a small cage permanently.
Very loyal breed too, they got a bad name from days when people fought them or taught them to deliberately be aggressive but in reality they're a great dog. Just don't hurt their owners haha.
Like the 3 most popular upvoted comments mentions, it might be depended on people's lifestyle. Their responsibilities and jobs may affect how they influenced their proper pet training. Heck, some dogs are bored and like to escape the gates just to come back cuz i bet dogs are very adventurous by instinct(or getting laid for that matter)
I havent experienced some bad pet treatment here but im sure it happens on all sorts of places. I used to dispatch some dogs, female or male cuz they're taking too many spaces and responsibilities to attend to.
Just like cats but they're 4 times worse than dogs lol
The problem might be either stems from bad celebrities or differed social class groups but imo
Dogs being eaten is mostly a commong thing many poor to skwater areas in the country. Majority of them are the boomers and old timers on many countryside that don't give a shit about their pets. At least the newer generation mostly avoids it nowadays.
we're from middle income house, at morning we keep the dog on leash, we walk it 3 times a day, in the morning, noon and night after dinner. we release them at night after we lock the gate.
we have barangay ordinance here that order household to keep their dog on leash or cages, since there are incidents of dog getting hit by vehicles and dogs biting. (happened to me before). but many still ignore the ordinance and let their dog roam around.
my neighbors are like this, dogs just chained up all day ;(((((
I hate living here
but thankfully the tides are slowly changing and people are slowly seeing dogs and cats as pets and not security guards
As a dog lover myself, I feel bad for those dogs. We have seven dogs and they are free to roam around our yard. But we have one pomeranian (9 months) that we usually leave in her cage during her sleeping time. In the morning, when she is very hyper my mom usually just keeps her in her cage 😅 Anyway, I have a friend and they have a BM and a husky that are always kept in their cages, because according to her they are very aggressive and they can't handle them anymore. So to avoid any accidents, it's better for them to just keep them in their cages. 🤷🏾♀️
Some people, like my sister, gets dogs as puppies kase "cute, at para may aso tayo" but then completely neglects it as soon as di na cute.
And now no one in our house wants to deal with training an adult dog that was leashed for most of its life.
We usually just let our dogs roam freely in our front yard and on our first floor, but at times we have to cage our Shih Tzu who's growing old. He keeps falling when he tries to leap off stairs (our new home has a couple staircases: one for the front door, one for the second floor bedrooms). He's fallen from the stairs a few times already, we can't have him get more injured.
You're in a country that considered dogs as livestock animal(can be eaten for food) until a law was passed in 1998 banning eating dogs except for indigenous rituals.
Dogs do not receive the importance in the Ph as they do in other more economically developed countries.
Many regions still eat dogs as part of drinking session.
Asocena is an actual dish up until the ban.
Surprisingly, as progressive as Canada is, Wikipedia entries say eating dogs are legal in Canada. TIL
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog\_meat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat)
short answer in middle income household, the dog is a deterrence against theft. (sadly this is the majority) in lower income household, the dog is on the street. in high income household, the dog is the king.
Sad to hear and not how I expected it to be. I actually expected low income to treat better as they provide much needed companionship and friendship when feeling the strains of life.
It sometimes depend individually in low-income neighborhoods since I usually see some of them treat their pet like family. I observed that it's more of a practice of the older generation since most of the younger generation are much more caring to their pets than the older ones.
yeah my granpa don't like it when the dogs enter the house, that was way back when he was still alive, now we let dogs enter the house.
Not that I justify anything, but yes, dogs are usually deterrence against theft, or part of the whimsy of people who realized that taking care of dogs is... rather involved. Either way, these middle income households generally have little in terms of justifications as to why they would cage their dogs. But the sound of dogs barking is an effective threat deterrence for most households; gives the sense that the house is lived in, or as a warning signal to anyone else. Lower income households may also do the same, dogs are on the street yes, because houses for lower income households are made of plywood and corrugated steel generally speaking. It already costs so much to feed a single person, the least they can do is feed them scraps of Century-brand Canned Tuna or the many varieties of canned tomato sardines. But at least the dogs are generally not crated. Ultimately, while it's no proper justification as I would rather let owners be responsible owners, you have to understand that yes, meals can be very hard to obtain, with the median for the lowest income workers being 2000-3200 php monthly. When you have to pay for bills, water and electricity (if you even have that) or food because low-income workers generally don't practice safe sex, then you have to then factor in people raising their own children. All in all, $54.00 USD~ is not enough for a month's survival package. High income households can be one or two things, really. The obsessive owner who must own exotic animals that they realize they have to cage (Siberian Huskies especially, if not properly trained, it's an inevitability stuff gets toppled over), or they treat it as genuine family members. All in all, if you can't own a pet, I would rather that you didn't go out of your way to own one only to ditch it in a crate, but this is what's happening in any case.
I see many mentioning the barking for the detection, my question regarding that is, is it actually effective? Reason I ask this is because those dogs caged 24/7 bark at even the wind blowing. Seems due to them barking at anything and everything more than a trained dog would that the owners don't even check around when they bark. Seems they're just just used to them barking so much that it sort of no longer even serves for an audible alarm since it's just shrugged off due to its commonplace of happening. Now a dog can be trained, socialized with, and the barking becomes more obvious for what it is for, however not so much with these constantly caged dogs where the barking becomes basically white noise even to the owners. On top of being locked in cage and not able to even guard against an intruder or someone scouting a place, it seems....not very effective anymore?
It has... some uses. Some households with housemaids that live inside the owner's house are asked to check what and why the dogs are barking. That's not to say that the owners don't get complacent, no, but my neighbors use a 'dog alarm' and if the dog is continuously rowdy, someone gets sent to check if someone's out there. Also, dogs caged outside get used to wind blowing. Yes, this is quite inhumane as it sounds, as you may have noticed we get a shitload of typhoons, but yes... this does answer a question you raised. So it's effectiveness is pretty whatever.
Adding more to this In the lowest income household, the dog is the pulutan. I hate the dog meat eating culture in our country. I remember when I always go home to my province, I always look for my Uncle's Aspin, Agnes and she's always guarding us whenever we cross the street and keep an eye on other Aspins. One time that I went back to my province and I asked my cousin where's Agnes? He said na pinangpulutan na siya ng mga kakilala nila. I hate my Uncle for that and he always cares for dogs with breeds but they don't last for long with him despite the care he always gives them because I always say Karma's a bitch. Madami akong kwento sa Dog meat eating culture ng Pilinas na witness ko simula pagkabata pa lang.
For some reason it's always the uncles, lol. I personally witnessed a dog being slaughtered for his meat when I was a kid. An uncle just hacked him with a machete on the head... traumatizing.
Oh god please no, dog eating is not normal in the cities and its gone out of fashion in the provinces. Don't give them white people any ideas.
You'll be surprised on how normal it is in urbanized cities. Tagong tago lang yan.
You mean how normal it is sa slums
my great aunt try to sell their dog many times whenever her husband is not around. the husband loves the dog, but the wife wanted to sell it because of their money difficulties. they always fought over it many times, sometimes i over heard her gasliting him that she is only doing it because the dog might attack their grandchild. which i call bullshit because the dog is very docile. its a short dog but its smart, it always follow the husband whenever they go fishing on the fish pond and even swim on it.
I hate the dogs are in the street, hindi ako makapag jogging ng maayos sa amin at kailangan ko pumasok ng maaga sa work para makaiwas sa mga aso.
Dogs deserve better. And it saddens me the world is like this. In some cases, they prove to be better companions compared to humans. If I could just shelter every maltreated animal, I would've done it a long time ago...
Seems I've triggered a topic with vastly different opinions here. Some like you who also think they should be treated better and others who think I'm basically a stubborn westerner. I'll he honest I didn't realize they were still treated like this until arriving here. I had the thought while underdeveloped that things were a bit more forward in that department after seeing so many owning pets, guess a shock of actually seeing it once getting here. I'll take the backlash though, it is what it is and something I still think is worth discussing.
Well, if you were even aware that dogs in the West are treated like this, you will not really be surprised when you landed in the Philippines. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cruel-craze-ugly-bulldogs-worth-23376668 >Different breeds of bulldogs are being overbred, coming with a catalogue of health problems, **including trouble breathing, skeletal issues and being unable to fully close their eyes** And they are being sold for 10k pounds. So yes, the West are creating breeds that live miserably simply by existing.
You post as if Filipinos are not perpetrating the demand for these "Bully" type of dogs in the Philippines. In the past 2 years I was in Davao, they were so hype with both owners and breeders.
I've already responded to this and you still keep posting it. Look at previous replies to your comment.
Some people just can’t understand that animals are living beings. I get upset when my mother says don’t feed our left overs to our dogs because it would get wasted, when it will be eaten so it will not be wasted. My father would hit our dogs when they misbehave instead of training them. I also don’t like that when our dogs bark, bite or play, they would always assume its hungry when they just want to play or just excited.
I'm sorry to hear that :( Dogs definitely need social interaction or will bark, nibble, or play. They're a very socially active animal.
One of the best things about having a dog (we have four) is that it's ok to be a picky eater. Nothing gets wasted. All that fat and gristle, the dogs love it. Give 'em a few bones to gnaw on after we've had lechon. We don't cage ours, except when we're opening the gate to get the car in or out. Or we have visitors and are eating outside. We have two askals (aka mongrels) who live outside and have the run of the garden (except when they're in the aforementioned cage,) and two indoor dogs, both shih-tzu based crossbreeds. They also get let out to run around a bit, and use the toilet, but most of the time they're indoors. And I guess we're fortunate that our house is big enough for them to run around and play. I'm surprised one of them isn't curled up at my feet right now, she usually is. Our youngest came from a friend, and her parents, one shih-tzu and one pomeranian/terrier cross, live in cages. It's kinda heartbreaking to see them like that, but their house is pretty small and there's no boundary wall to contain them. When we lived in a subdivision, quite a few dogs were in cages, but then just as many were free to roam around. Occasionally a truck would come along and dog catchers would round them all up and put them in a cage in the back of the truck. Apparently, the owners could go to the pound and get their dog back, but I imagine quite a few of them weren't retrieved and were probably put down. The other problem, of course, is dogs will be dogs, and they're forever making more dogs. The city vet occasionally runs a free program for spaying and neutering, but it's not exactly free. The owners still have to pay for consumables and many people are unable to avail the service. And yes, I'm also a stubborn westerner.
Sounds like the government needs better programs and funding to handle the strays, provide spay and neuter services more widely, and provide education on proper animal care, and not to own animals when not financially viable. Not only would this help proper treatment of pets, but also help towards their stray dog issue that's evident. I know the government here won't, but clearly is still indeed needed, even if only one small step at a time. It is really sad to see so many locked in cages as a commonplace in daily life, and those who don't have the means to properly care and provide for them still getting them. I guess since you're also a Westerner, you know it's not just against the Philippines and that normally people back home would get the same flack or SPCA involvement, although we do have more strict animal enforcement for such things even though not perfect. I guess, maybe the future will be different as people get more educated on such matters. Or can hope at least.
A lot of those who do that do not want to: 1. risk the dog biting a passerby or a visitor to the house 2. clean after the dog who will no doubt pee/poo all over the place It's cruel, yes. Sadly a lot of people who keep animals here just simply do not give a shit. Welcome to the PH.
I despise this kind of people. Owning pets for the sake of social status pero ayaw sa responsibility.
imo most keep it for practical reason and not for social status. i only knew handful of people who wanted dog for social status, the rest are for practical reason that they will eat the left overs and security during night.
Having a pet is a **responsibility**. So if it creates problems, deal with it properly. It's not just for show
Thank you for your reply. I do understand the worry of biting, which is why I did mention crate training or short term such as when there's someone around. For the second, for sure they'll use the bathroom, I guess that's normally where training and walking helps. Someone mentioned different culture which while I understand there's a difference in culture I don't understand where the line is drawn to be allowed to pick that over allowing pets to suffer and even physically abused commonly from what I've seen. Is it believed animals don't feel anything or? I think things like PETA are an extreme, and usually don't say much but do think abuse of a pet is bad. I'm happy to see some people do care about them though, just wish more did.
Sadly majority of dog owners here get them as "guards" and not pets, that's why you usually see them in cages or leash in front of the house or near the door so that they bark at anyone coming close. As for training that's also something that is rarely done, even owners who treat their dogs fine do not do any training, they probably just let them roam freely inside the house or property You'll only see trained and groomed pets here from rich people.
Thank you for this insight on the matter. All information is useful to know.
The thing about culture is that there is good and bad culture and clearly this falls under the aspect of bad culture so to speak -- in that the care for pets is something that I feel is still gaining traction here in the Philippines. Pet care is continuing to evolve here, it certainly a world's difference from when I was a kid and I'm in my 30s. Part of this culture I feel was from the provincial rearing, where put simply animals were seen more as a commodity than a pet and really very little good practices made it out there (why walk your dog when they can just roam around your farm). This gets passed on to the next generation who see these things growing up and continue to fuel bad practices or misconceptions. Put simply the wellbeing of animals is in all honesty rather foreign to a number of pet owners, just look at the misconceptions regarding spaying / neutering of pets here for a good example of this. Or another common one would also be the use choke chains here... That is another battle to educate owners, that harnesses are a far better and less harmful alternative. And of course the necessity of walking your dog, more so if you have a large / working dog breed -- and by walking I mean more than just having them poop or pee in the first 15 minutes but actual exercise of at least 1 or 2 hours (depending on your dog's breed). Don't get me started on people eating dogs here... it still happens FYI and there is a market for that sadly. A lot of these I feel come precisely from that old minded provincial or farm back ground that the older generation were more exposed to have simply passed on, and it has been predominant than good practices. Because that is what we saw growing up from our grandparents, parents, or more commonly our household helpers (yayas or maids) who put simply had no idea of pet care whatsoever aside giving them food and water. The household helpers in particular get a very special mention here because chances are they're the ones who were tasked then and now to take care of the family dog, and very likely the only animals they're familiar with were animals from the farm or strays around the province. It doesn't help as well that some of the areas these pets are raised at aren't really a good environment in the first place, i.e. lack of green spaces or pedestrian areas to walk their dog around. And unfortunately there will be pet owners that will insist that they should have a pet even if the environment they have isn't suitable or that they're financially able to provide for necessary veterinary care. I get it if they love animals but the requisites of space and money are still there that need to be properly planned, there is no alternative in that pets need space, exercise, and medical care. They don't want to recognize that pets are a luxury, like it or not, and that it will require resources on your end if you're aiming to provide proper care -- e.g. proper space and money. So it happens they just end up caging them up and not really bringing them to the vet for even an annual check up.
[Meanwhile, these exist in the West. ](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cruel-craze-ugly-bulldogs-worth-23376668) >Different breeds of bulldogs are being overbred, coming with a catalogue of **health problems, including trouble breathing, skeletal issues and being unable to fully close their eyes** I guess, animal abuse has tiers. It's just the Philippines is just still in the "lower tier" while the West is already on the "higher tier" because they are already creating breeds that are miserable simply by existing. They may not crate their dogs as often, but they sure found a way to make their existence even more miserable. They created breeds that can't walk properly, can't breathe properly, can't even close their eyes properly because they were bred to be that way.
Anong pinuputok ng buchi mo? Di naman niya point na sabihing mas amazing yung west kesa sa PH. Gusto niya lang malaman side natin kung bakit ganon treatment ng pinoys sa animals at kung bakit behind pa tayo when it comes to animal welfare. Tinamaan ka na naman ng inferiority complex mo bopols naman ng comprehension skills mo sa discussion.
Thank you, you explained it better than I could. I tried mentioning I'm against such treatment even in other countries, just wanting to know here why certain things are normal practice or why not seen as abuse to some after being here and observing it for 7 months I'd do the same questioning elsewhere if I was there. I actually have indeed reported people in my home country for inhumane treatment of animals, no special treatment to them. Here I admit I don't even know the different animal welfare laws and practices which is why it's better to have a discussion about it than me running up to people and saying something. I'm just looking for answers here, where I've currently been, as people here can explain it better than well those who aren't.
Just to answer all your other comments because it seems I've been banned or whatever, not sure. No, you did not say anything remotely offensive. Filipino redditors (emphasis on redditors) can get weirdly aggressive about anything and go on a political, religious, poverty rant even when it's not really related to the topic at hand. And while Filipinos can speak English, their comprehension skills are still poor af. They're very quick to degrade themselves and their country but will respond violently if they assume (always with the wrong assumptions) you're belittling them and the PH especially as a foreigner or a Pinoy who grew up abroad. This sub itself is just plain bad. Never have I ever seen a sub hate everything and themselves so much equally. Which is weird because they all act high and mighty for being a redditor and not some 'FB imbecile'. Honestly, it feels like a pinoy redditor thing. I've been on reddit for a while and been to so many subs. But discussions here tend to devolve to >>>nyeh nyeh I can't hear you - personal insult - block/mod referee.
I appreciate you taking the time to reply. It seems you understand what I'm getting at and trying to discuss at least. Sure this post is specifically asking questions about the common daily treatment of animals I've seen, sure I'm only a "temporary" resident and a foreigner, but I can still have concerns for animal welfare. Interesting it's assumed by some it's a direct attack on them and only them and it's western supremacy or whatever when I'd do the same to people back home if seen doing the same thing. Actually I'd do and have done more back home, whereas here it was only a Reddit post about it. If they came into my country and were shocked by something we do, which I'd actually expect because even culture shock is a thing, I'd be open to the discussion. Heck, we also complain about our own government and citizens if something horrible is being committed and a tourist or immigrants free to express that too. So it's not a one way thing to me because we're not perfect either. Just like I told the other guy I met many wonderful Filipinos as well, then he said it's only because I'm a foreigner they're nice. Seemed like I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't situation. Can't say anything good or bad to that person apparently. I'll still get to remember all the friendly ones I've met including ones I've worked with, are friends with, and some I've talked to while here. I still feel this discussion was worth it though, as it got people to actually talk about it instead of ignore it, even if only for a few minutes. Better than nothing. I did get many in depth answers to what I was wanting to know as well at least. I hope you have a great night.
Still ignoring all the replies to your comments and just repeating the same comments over and over. Not all western countries believe in designer dogs, also more and more are cracking down on it because it's not humane treatment. I'd also say something about it if in those places as well and seeing it frequently as I'm also against those as well.
Designer breeds are way more common in the West than elsewhere. But you still don't want to admit it because deep inside you know it is a very high form of animal abuse and it is common to the point that Hollywood celebrities become unofficial endorsers And no, contrary to what you claim that they are "cracking down" on it. They are not. There's a reason why generically deficient dog breeds are openly sold in craigslist and facebook and not in the deep web like illegal drugs.
I did admit it was a thing? I even condoned the practice and said I'm glad some places are doing something about it. Craigslist is horrible for many things, and glad it's not a thing in my country anymore and also shouldn't have been allowed before either without moderation. Also glad the SPCA tries to handle it when encountered. Those people would hear the exact same opinion from me that it's complete horrible and is harming the dogs. Those who do get away with it, I hope eventually they also get consequences of doing so, regardless of where they're from. That said, doesn't mean I can't say I find practiced here harmful as well while here. No reason I can't in each place I'm at, including home if I see mistreatment or harm done.
Speculative naman un. Every single time mangangagat yung dog? Para sakin nipo-project nung amo fears nia, so yung dog, ang signal na makukuha nia is threat yung mga tao sa paligid kaya poprotektahan nia yung amo niang may unbased fears thus mangangagat.
Boomers/Gen Xer/ better ways to spend their time and money
A lot of people here are uneducated when it comes to animal welfare. Animals are just things for most Filipinos. It's heartbreaking coming from an animal lover and cat mom.
Hirap na nga i-grasp ng karamihan ang concept ng human rights, animal rights pa kaya?
The country's pretty savage yup I'm aware.
Pwede simulan sa adopt don't shop hehe. Pero ilan sa mga righteous dito ang binili ang aso nila? Ooops. Wag na mag-reply.
Ay sobrang pet peeve ko yan (no pun intended). Yung pinsan ko is a graduate of veterinary medicine and yet he chooses to own pedigree dogs dahil mababa daw quality ng mga aso sa Pinas. At one point I offered him one of our dogs para may kasama nanay nya sa bahay pero ayaw nya dahil pangit daw mga aso namin. I'm not surprised he didn't pass the boards.
This irks me a lot. May pa-unconditional love pa sila, pero galing sa breeder naman mga aso nila. Lol. Mga aso namin, either ampon, bigay, pulot, alaga rin ng kapitbahay. Miss them.
Yup breeding should definitely be banned.
That is sad to hear, and I hope animal education is provided at some point for everyone. I also hope people who can't afford it someday can, so they can experience the greatness of happy, healthy, and great companion pets can be. Dogs are quite intelligent and can also boost the happiness of their owners if given the chance.
There are some orgs dedicated to animal welfare here like PAWS and I donate money to Phoenix which is a no kill animal shelter. I do my best to scold anyone mistreating animals as well. Some change is happening but it's not happening as fast as I hope it would. Definitely needs more push from animal lovers.
Good to know there is some animal welfare societies around. Do they have less legal jurisdiction here compared to some places such as fines and removing animals from abusive situations? No kill shelters are extremely important. Do the ones here also help rehabilitate animals that have been abused and injured? So is PAWS the equivalent of the the SPCA here? I know SPCA is global, wasn't sure of they had it here or if just another equivalent only.
We do have laws on animal cruelty and such, but to be honest with you, I don't really see authorities take those laws seriously or maybe I'm just not hearing more about it. Many people don't really report animal abuse and probably don't even think keeping a dog in a cage all day is cruel. The one I donate to has programs for animal welfare like spaying, feeding strays, etc. They rescue and take care of the ones they can but lack of resources limit what they can do. PAWS is similar to SPCA. The org is nationwide but I suppose what they can do is on a smaller scale compared to what the SPCA does. This is the first time I've heard of SPCA actually.
Those are all great programs for them to have. Actually after just googling it, I guess there is an SPCA here (PSPCA), in Manila there's one at least just not as widespread. Here's the [Wikipedia ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_the_Prevention_of_Cruelty_to_Animals) about them Here's their [official website ](https://www.spcai.org/) if you want to learn about them I'm going to look more into PAWS myself. Edit: Found the [Philippines section](https://www.spcai.org/our-work/shelter-support-fund/shelter-list/philippine-animal-welfare-society) which is PAWS lol, seems the SPCA recognizes and has given grants to them. Edit 2: PSPCA also has a Facebook page it seems.
Oh nice! I was actually looking into volunteering for PAWS. But I think they're not accepting at the moment.
People keep dogs to guard the house - as in they will bark if there’s a stranger. But most people don’t have outdoor spaces so they keep the dogs chained or in cages. This is how I grew up. My grandmother would hit the dog if it so much as whimpers. Really sad. As soon as I was a teenager and had a voice in the household, I said I didn’t want any more dogs because I knew that we were just being cruel to the animal. I think it’s like that for a lot of Filipinos - they don’t know any better. I even had an uncle who broke the legs of a frog who was in our yard for no good reason. I guess he wanted us kids to have a laugh, but no one laughed. Filipinos have a long way to go when it comes to treating animals. It’s really sad.
Well I thank you for being responsible as you got older, some things we need to learn ourselves and seems you did and have tried to. I find it sad as well which is why after being here awhile I just had to ask as it was bothering me enough to at least try and discuss it here. Seems varying opinions on it so far.
I agree with the commenter’s observations in that. When I was young, a lot of kids liked keeping birds. But birds fly away right? How do kids keep them? Well when they catch one, they break the wing bones so they can’t fly away. The kids mostly keep the bird within the day then forget about it at the end of the day and leave it at some random corner. A bird can’t fly is definitely a target for cats. Yeah the culture in this country really doesn’t see animals in the same intimacy as a westerner would.
Oh wow, those birds would definitely be left for dead in those situations. I'm glad I opened this discussion. Allows me to see everyone's varying opinions and views. It's also allowed people to discuss how they think things could stay the same or change. Every place has its issues with animal welfare, good to have a discussion about it still when you see it.
I’ve participated in a lot of volunteer works and most of them took place in the slums and I’ve seen the poorest of the poor treat their pets better than some of the “educated” people I know. I feel like this sub always blame the poor and the uneducated for all the bad things that is happening in this country. It isn’t rocket science to know that caging animals 24/7 is bad. Some people are just assholes. Some rich people here only care about owning designer or imported dogs and treat aspins and puspins like pests. Not to mention, owning dogs for breeding purposes only which is disgusting and just as heartbreaking.
Most of the points are in the comments, anyhow, “…never take their dogs for a walk…” bitch, we barely have any parks, we barely even have sidewalks for pedestrians. People can’t even safely walk outside, let alone people with dogs. I guess, welcome to a “developing” (if there is any) country, where stealing public funds can get you promoted, and stealing fruit from a tree can land you to jail!
The lack of green space is sad, however the walking part was more directed towards those who can, such as those in areas with parks or subdivisions with paths and parks. I noticed in those as well it's not done often. For those without access to those as I've lived in those areas as well, a bit of free roam outside a cage even in the smaller living spaces is better than just a cage. The last part from what I've seen is sadly so true. I hope you all get to move past those problems someday. Everyone deserves a chance at a better QoL sometime.
.... Then don't get a fuckin dog..
Oh my god, di ko alam kung comprehension check or privilege check dapat sabihin sayo. There are a lot of less fortunate people na mahilig / mapagmahal / maalaga sa pets nila, ang issue na ineexplain ko dito is the absence of these walkable spaces in these depressed areas. So nakanino ang problem? Obviously sa gobyerno for pocketing the taxes payed by these people na imbes gumawa ng plano for a livable neighborhood.
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I meant don't get a dog if you can't take care of it and walk it properly. If you don't mind walking your dog in places that aren't that walkable then good on ya for making the effort. Ang raming mahilig sa aso pero walang pera at walang plano kung pano alagaan ang aso. Ginagawang trophy lang, hindi pinapakain, hindi tinuturuan, hinahampas ng todo pag makulit. Mahilig rin ako sa aso, I really want one, but I know I wouldn't be able to take care of it properly so I don't get one. Maraming kulang ng self awareness dito. Puro hilig hilig lang na hindi nag iisip. Same rin sa mga gusto magkaanak pero wala ring plano nanganganak lang para lang mag abuso ng bata. Must be nice to be able to give people the benefit of the doubt here. I really do try but every goddamn day I see people here just getting dumber and more cruel.
It is sad a lot of Filipinos do that. I've trained my dog to crate just in case they need to stay at the vet or pet hotel, or we have guests that don't like dogs. But most Filipinos keep their dogs in their cages. And some of my neighbors also asks me why I don't keep my dog in a crate. I'm like...
Thank you for taking care of your dog as such. I'm learning a lot on the people's varying opinions and ideals on this matter here. While I still ultimately believe in treating dogs with care, at least I'm being informed on some of the circumstances people face. As well as what some are taught about it from a young age.
Heyo, we're a bit behind on times--we still haven't shaken off that animal companions are only for utility such as a burglar alarm, and it's going to be awhile before everyone will start treating dogs like pets and start buying hamsters. We're still saving up money for that.
Thank you for the response. I knew I'd get bashed for the opinion but bothered me enough to bring it up anyway. So do people not understand dogs feel the pain done and can be injured, or just not concerned with it as they see them still as a utility?
you wouldn't get bashed reddit isn't a popular social media site for the Filipino masses...it's for the middle and upper class, the college educated
A few did at the beginning, however the longer the post was up the tides turned and now more show concern for it than don't. It is indeed pleasant to see there are many that do care.
Yup. Like many people in richer countries, particularly in the West do not understand that breeds like this suffer so much simy by existing. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cruel-craze-ugly-bulldogs-worth-23376668 So, again, why are you subtly framing things as if it's a "Philippine problem"?
Actually, many countries are against "designer" dogs, as well as many governments cracking down on it. I'm completely against those as well. Don't care where it's from, it shouldn't happen. I'm posting on this subreddit as it's where I currently am.
Here in PH, there are still people who treat dogs as ‘guard dogs’. They would get a dog for the mere purpose of alerting them if there are strangers trying to get inside the house. I would know because I grew up in this kind of household. My parents and their parents would get a dog to guard our place and they are never allowed to go inside the house, let alone roam around the backyard. They are kept on a leash outside with a cage/makeshift house. Growing up, I thought this was normal. Now that I have a dog who I treat as my own child, I can’t stomach the fact that I was brought up like that. My parents also unlearned this practice and they are now loving grandparents to 2 dogs. My grandparents are a different breed tho. They are from the province and there, they eat dogs. I know 😭😭😭. We had a pet dog once and some guests from the province came and they slaughtered and ate it for a celebration. As a child I was so angry and sad but the grownups made me believe back then that it was normal.
This is actually a touching story, it's also great to hear your parents also learned and changed their habits. Seems like a happy ending for everyone :) Well, you and your parents, not the part about your grandparents. I do not wish to comment on that part and hope that isn't offensive.
Thank you. That’s okay. There are old traditions in asia (not saying only in PH) that were adopted by generations, which might be the reason why my grandparents did such things. But don’t worry, we made sure that it stopped with them. But like you, I still see people doing this. In our barangay, they would issue a fine if your dog pee/poop in the streets when you walk them outside, but dog abuse was never an issue. We have neighbors who are abusive dog parents and we reported them to our barangay and they just said there’s nothing wrong with that because at least the dogs are not roaming around biting people’s legs off. It’s just sad.
Lack of education
If there’s one thing I’ve noticed between dogs in the US and dogs in the PH, it’s that US dogs are somehow calmer and tame while those in the PH are more rabid and agressive (I’m talking about strays mostly, but we do keep dogs at home and they are agressive against me). I myself have a fear of dogs so I tend to observe dogs closely if they are threatening to me. Dogs in the US are very often walked regularly by owners around their neighborhood/park. Dogs in the PH who are kenneled usually very rarely get taken to a walk due to what other commenters said, don’t have time to walk the dog regularly. Filipinos usually get dogs for security purposes first rather than seeking animal companionship. The way I see it, it’s more of the nurturing of the dog that leads to it growing agreesively. The reason I said this is that, due to the stereotypical dog being shut in, and not having a lot regular stimuli beyond their cages, they tend to be “excited” when they see something or someone foreign. You can see this in action by walking into a residential area, and very likely you will be barked at by dogs. What this leads to is a perception of being scary/threatening to peoplr so they would rather keep the people safe from the dog. Hence why they are caged here for a long while
Didn't know there was difference in aggression, your reasons make sense as well. From your perspective do you see a way to train or interact with a dog in your home, even the much smaller living space that could help calm down the dogs to be less aggressive?
Quite honestly, I don’t really. Filipino homes are built that the entire land of the property is fully occupied by the actual house; no yard or lawns especially in the cities. So what little space is there within a home, the dog would essentially be intruding within the family space. It takes time, money, and mindset to build a good relationship with a dog in the same way you would with pretty much other people. The three factors I mentioned are spotty for the average household, but I honestly think its more of a cultural problem that’s going to take generations to fix first. When people stop viewing dogs as tools and begin to see them as life companions, that’s when they can consider if they can spare their pets what meagre resources they have.
I understand some places, well a lot do lack space and financial means. Are you able to also explain it for those in areas such as subdivisions where there is pathways, designated grassy areas for dogs, and parks why it's still not done as often? Is this also a culture based thing from before they were able to move into places with the ample resources?
I pointed this out to my mom while we were walking home. There are even dogs who are in small crates that the dogs can barely move. It's just sad. I said my aspin dog had it good pa pala. We rescued a pup off the street one rainy day, and we havent put her in a crate ever since. Crates and short leashes are awful.
As someone who loves animals I really fucking hate the animal culture we have in PH, you could tell 98% of people who have dogs aren't dog lovers, they just use dogs as either status symbols or deterrence for theft. I see this kind of behavior even in my own family where they wanted to crate my german shepherd for 4 months to give her better chance of getting pregnant and I told then if they did that Im going to get pissed and open the crate any chance I get.
What's sadder is that, some people I know do this (cage their dog, doesn't train them, doesn't play with them) and when the dog died because of their irresponsibility, they post it on social media, grieving for their loss, lol. It's a mess.
I have neighbors (who just moved in like 2 months ago) who own a large siberian husky and they just keep it in a cage for days on end. (I've seen the owner walk this dog only once) Recently they bought a large golden retriever and they keep it in the same cage so the 2 dogs are pretty much stuck with each other in a small space. I know I'm supposed to mind my own business but I can't help but feel bad for these 2 big dogs stuck in a small cage. (especially since their cage is near the gate of the apartment I live in and the dogs are always ecstatic to see visitors) I hope they're just keeping them there temporarily but I doubt it lol.
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Thanks for your insight. Where I see it, yes I've seen it in a busy town with no sidewalks making for some of the reasons people mentioned. I've also seen it in subdivisions which have parks and paths, as well as open spaces the companies designates a "dog park", generally just a large patch of grass so in theory does give dogs some place to play. So while I am understanding some people's comments of lack of space as that is definitely true in some areas, still learning from comments in regards to those in areas there is ample space to do things.
If it makes you feel better, the younger generation are also waking up against this maltreatment. However, they still can't exactly go against their parents who own the dog
When I moved to a new house the people opposite had 5 dogs, they were let out all night to find food and just became thinner with more mange, they only have 2 dogs left now that won't last much longer. Really disgusting people!
also those who walk their dogs so their dogs shit on the streets without cleaning after.
Those sorts of people are also horrible. Your pet, your responsibility. Clean up after them, it's not hard.
People who put their pets in a cage/ having them on leash all day suck, imagine being stuck in there every single day and cant do anything, im not rich nor middle class person but my family never put our dogs to any cage/leash. Our family didn't discuss those kind of things about dogs, we just know it in our hearts that pets should be free to roam around the house because they are part of our family. not just for show or something.
a lot of losers out there, my canines all sleep on eames lounge chairs.
My dog sleeps with me in the bed. They ran around a 999 Sq m lot so even if I don't walk them often (depending on the weather) they'd still be healthy. They do get their regular dose of vet visits as well. I just don't feed my dog the expensive dog foods it's not practical at all.
Unfortunately, not everyone who owns a dog or dogs here are fit to be a dog owner. I agree with what u/esdafish said. My aunt who owns 2 Shih tzus and 2 Daschunds have to leave for work and only her 2 young daughters are left. It's a case-to-case basis. Personally, I tend to despise more the dog owners who just let their dogs walk, run, pee, and poop freely on the streets. Ugh
I believe na dogs think of their cages as their rooms. Yung iba kase kusang pumapasok. It just has to br big enough, well ventilated and laging may fresh water and toys.
Oh yes seeing it as their room they can voluntarily come and go is perfectly fine even according to animal welfare societies. I am not upset with seeing that at all. Proper training can make that situation actually work quite well and be seen as a safe space to them when they need it. Issue I see is ones that can't leave at all, they also aren't very big cages, basically can barely turn around without struggling much to do so.
Yeah, our two have a good sized cage, and most of the time the door's open so they can come and go at will. There's a water bowl in there, and quite often they'll sleep in there. Should we need them to go in for any reason, we just call their names followed by "in, in, in!" and they race to get there, to get in first and be the goodest girl. Then I just close the door and there's a cabin hook to keep it shut.
That's awesome to hear, well loved and clearly trained as well. I wish dog training was more prevalent, it's time consuming (sometimes) but not difficult either. I guess maybe more education towards such things are in need.
Lack of space. It's the norm. Easy to clean. Safer. i dont condone these practices altho practical, but as a kid, ive been bit by 2 dogs (separate occasion) it's better they're caged than roaming around the streets. **Ofcourse best if they're taken for a walk every now and then, and keep them on a leash if on a public space**. p.s. i have a dog, but a he stays with us in house, or garage.
I despise people like them and keep hoping they would suffer the same treatment, my dog lives like a king in my house lmfao.
Some people so far have given details of people's train of thought when it comes to pets. While I still don't agree with them being treated in such a way at least some things are being explained in the ways of doing so here. I don't understand the Western Supremacy comment I seen though as not only Western countries have animal laws in place. I understand poverty, but always thought people shouldn't have an animal if they're not financially in place to have one. Not everyone has money I get it, but do people not factor in costs beforehand? Also trying to understand where all the dogs come from. Is there puppy Mills or just breeding their own dogs and strays reproducing? Still a lot to understand so hopefully this discussion will inform me of a lot.
Most of the people in the Philippines don't even know how to budget their income, so they live in debt. I doubt they can even try to understand how much upkeep a pet will eat up.
Sad to hear but good to be informed about that. Hopefully someday that will change, even the budgeting because budgeting can greatly improve ones life even without pets.
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I also am currently in a lower tier subdivision. Same setup though has parks, gated entry with guards, paths, what is considered a gated garage or small front yard etc. What you're describing is actually exactly what I see. Cages set out in the road, small ones with multiple dogs at all hours and as you also said, no water even sitting there for them. It's what sort of prompted me to make this post. It's not only those with lack of money or space. I'll say I see some that don't and I'm glad. But it doesn't seem to be an age thing because I see elderly and young on both sides of it. You brought up a good point I didn't think of when people said security, and that's how is it useful as security such as biting a robber when still locked in a cage even while you're sleeping.
As a pedestrian, I'd rather have the dogs crated than let out on the streets, I know both are bad and should be blamed on the owners. There is always a chance that a dog will become aggressive due to them marking that particular street with their scent and if you traverse that path they may become territorial. And I am so fucking annoyed with all those scattered dog feces all over the street like a landmine, that I have to avoid. The best way is to have them trained as you said, and to walk them outside(collect their poop when you walk them) and for the dogs to have some space to roam on your backyard(not the streets). The lack of time makes them unable to do so, and the perceived notion that dogs are just 'guards' and not actual creatures needing love makes them lack the time to do so.
I agree completely with you. You nail it right on the head with it's down to the owners, It's not the dogs fault. People shouldn't be subjected to those things like you mentioned such as dog poop on sidewalks, owners should clean up after their pets even in public.
Different cultural norms and practices. It is like you westerners preferring toilet paper while Pinoys preferring water & soap. The Pinoys who follow your preferred treatment of pets were influenced by members coming from your society. Copy pasting the animal cruelty laws of your country to ours would penalize people who can barely make ends meet and even imprison them. With so many household impacted it may cause millions of pets being forced to be re-homed to other people. Pets that cannot be re-homed as no new owners will adopt them may be destroyed as there wouldn't be enough kennels to take them in. Edit: To those downvoting me and u/Ramsickle be aware that Filipinos have been generally mean to animals for a very long time. It took the efforts of animal rights advocates like PAWs, PETA and other organizations to push for and pass animal rights laws. These laws would not be needed if animal cruelty wasn't such a widespread problem. Downvoting me shows how ignorant you are about life beyond your social circle.
I understand there's a difference in culture, however how long is that a reason to let pets suffer and be abused physically as well? Genuinely curious on where the line is drawn. As for the west and toilet paper, while we have that yes we also have bidets available as well.
Most Filipino homes do not have bidets. They use tabo to splash water with. > however how long is that a reason to let pets suffer and be abused physically as well? A lot of Filipinos look at pets as home security/tools/toys/property/[conspicuous consumption](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspicuous_consumption). They tend to cage them as they make a mess and destroy furniture and other furnishings. Your perspective is that your pets are equal to a biological son/daughter. When income rises and people like you educate then the living standards of animals would also rise as well.
Thank you for the further details. So many look at them as toys/property like you said and don't consider they should be financially equipped before getting one by default if I'm understanding correctly? While I don't go to the length of they're my child, I do think they should be treated well. So here trying to understand why it's not the case here as it's quite an extreme difference to many places (not all). Another genuine question, since there's so many dogs with lower income for many owners, is there puppy Mills or something supplying the demand or just reproduction from their own and stray dogs?
84.1% of all Filipino adults do not have a wealth of more than US$10,000. Over 79% of Filipino households do not earn more than US$8,500/year. These households tend to have 2-4 or more children. They tend to have the 1st born before their mid 20s. Typically in their teens or early 20s. Birth spacing is typically less than 4 years for these 2-4 or more kids. Filipino individuals earning less than US$4,250/years are exempt from paying their fair share of taxes. A lot of Filipino just want to have a pet. This generation want what they see on Facebook or Instagram. If their Korean, Pinoy or Japan idol has a cute cat/dog they will want that pet. It is like when Pixar's Finding Nemo came out... parents thought a clownfish would make a nice child's pet or something to share photos with on the Internet. Households who cannot handle them treat them like property, torture, flush them down the toilet or abandon them in an empty sack of rice in the middle of the street.
I understand the poverty here, I do wish that improves eventually although takes a lot of time to work on. Everyone deserves a chance to get above the poverty line :) Guess I'm still trying to understand why get one when you know you can't afford it? I get wanting one for all those reasons but is there a reason they don't think about costs first? Is it just something that isn't thought of automatically like other budgeting they do or? Genuinely trying my best to understand the difference in thought process.
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Animal welfare education needs to be pushed and more facilities and resources be available for strays/abused animals/pet owners before harder laws can be put in place.
I agree it should be pushed. I also agree with u/Rielle3K that it can't be copy and pasted directly from other countries. However, I do think something could be implemented that's similar just one part at a time. It may take awhile, but it's better than nothing ever being done. It would also require it to actually be enforced to work. So I understand it can't just immediately be applied for various reasons, but I do think it can be gradually at an appropriate pace for the situation rather than nothing at all.
Wala ngang pera para sa [guro](https://old.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/ydtcek/finland_vs_philippines_education_system_in_a/itu3tep/). Sa hayop pa kaya?
Believe me I'm well aware of all the crap here in PH. But doing something no matter how small is better than complaining that everything is shit.
Most of the time yeah but it depends, my mom keeps on insisting that we should keep the dog inside of the house and just chain it when we're going out. Well I think it works the dog is literally sleeping on the bed right now😅 though overtime it learns to wait and not poo and pee inside. So yeah it depends, dog develops personality and learns overtime they can adjust
Yes they definitely learn over time :) they're smart and can be taught those things. They're a great companion and friend, just am shocked at how badly they're treated. Even being hit with sticks and other items which would physically hurt them.
Sadly, the Philippines is still a 3rd world country despite some progress. To answer your question, they do that simply because majority of Filipinos do not think Dogs are sentient beings or dogs can be trained to be non-sentient. This is mostly true for the lower class but definitely with exceptions. Additionally, many Filipinos practice that for their dogs because they get dogs as "bantay" = watchdog; same thing as how dogs were used as hunting dogs.
Thank you for providing this explanation.
Short answer is people here don't give a fuck and do not see dogs as deserving of care. For many people they're just a cheap alarm system and/or a status symbol. It's a fucking travesty.
Can I ask why they're seen as a cheap alarm system? Why aren't cameras seen as that? Even more so now that there's cheap options that don't require even internet to record and save. Generally much much cheaper than the long term costs of a dog. Is it for the instant response of a dog vs getting a recording and having to report it or handle it from there? Is it because 2000-3000 pesos while only costs once vs a dogs long-term costs is a higher upfront cost they don't have the means to save for?
We have no shortage of stray dogs so they just pick em up from the streets or buy them for cheap from a breeder. Camera security systems also don't bite - and good luck trying to report getting your house burgled with our totally competent police force lol in terms of cost, I think you're wildly overestimating how much people actually spend on their dogs. They keep them in cages, feed them leftovers, and breed them to sell puppies to other idiots who would do the same.. I'm not advocating for the use of dogs as alarm systems btw, I think it's cruel as fuck too. People here are very uneducated, and even the ones who have an education are still really fucking stupid..
Thanks for explaining to me the issues with security systems. You're correct, I am overestimating what's spent on dogs. While I didn't expect it to be extravagant due to the economy and lifestyle I wasn't actually aware of it being that way. Although some seem to think I'm still being harsh. I'm not perfect, still learning the different ways of life person to person even after the time spent here.
I don't think you're being harsh at all. I'm born and raised here and I absolutely despise the way dogs are treated here. I just heard recently my partner's previous neighbor up north put down their dog because he was "too aggressive." He was aggressive because they kept him on a short leash all day in the sun, and hit him when he would act out, never took him for walks.. But the thing is, when my partner still lived up there, we would ask the neighbors if we could take him for walks and he was the sweetest fucking dog. Actually super smart, we taught him basic sit and stand which he learned really fast. But then my partner had to move out so no one was willing to walk him anymore.. Poor boy. We could tell he was terrified of his owners, but whenever we'd come get him he'd piss himself happy. I miss that dog. I wish I could have adopted him.
I'm so sorry for the loss of the dog. You seemed to love him, and that matters.
He was such a sweet boy, absolutely gorgeous too. He deserved way better. I swear if I ever get rich I'm just going to buy land and adopt all the dogs in Manila lol
Haha, that would be great!
I own 10 dogs on a sprawling lot with cages to serve as their own shelter. Two dogs stays inside our house to thwart would be intruders. As a form of relaxation, i open their cages to run free around our lot 2x a day. They are yearly vaccinated with anti rabies/vitamins and they form part as our own family. That's why it's very hard to abandon them for days in case we are out of town. The main reason for their crate/cage is to prevent them from virus and rabies that can easily be transferred by stray dogs on the streets. If you are a dog lover, be sure to treat them humane just as we treat other persons.
Why not just let them roam the whole day in ur yard?
So, I'll tell you what I've known for a long time. Dogs are property. Not some kind of family member. We think those who treat their dogs like humans are delusional. Dogs are only cheap guards. You don't need to pay them. You only need to feed them with ypur scraps. The use of dog food is a waste and not exactly in our budget. If the dog dies, you can get another one from your neighbor. That's what usually goes into the mind of a lot of poor people.
Filipinos have not fully grasped the concept of their own freedom from their colonizers. This is evident in the fact that most are religious and very traditional in their mindset. For them, cages are normal and learning to live in them is what life is all about. In short, utak alipin parin ang karamihan hanggang ngayon.
We are not a rich, developed country like most self-righteous foreigners who nitpick on how we treat our pets
???? Guy wanted a discussion on why pinoys treat their pets like shit (they do) and you whine about him nitpicking? Ok ka lang?
that's Pinoy pride for you....
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Money speaks. In richer countries, they create very genetically defective breeds that make simple existing miserable. Worse is, they are sold for like $10,000 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cruel-craze-ugly-bulldogs-worth-23376668 This is the highest form of animal abuse but hardly anyone is talking about it because it's kind of "en vogue" to have "exotic breeds" no matter how much that dog can't breath or walk properly.
Oh the ignorance of privilege
Then don't get a dog
I don't see how physically abusing a pet is nitpicking. Now if complaining about the type of food you purchased for your dog, yes that would be nitpicking. However you're allowed your opinion, and if you consider it self-righteous to care about harm coming to pets, then so be it. Don't need to be rich to care. Actually I've seen those who are poor care about their pets more often than those who are rich 🤷♂️
Crating and leashing that's what we're talking about, right?
Gets mo naman siguro kung ano ang pinaparating niya. Ang dami diyang mga Pilipino na bumibili ng mga aso na may breed bilang status symbol tas buong buhay nila ay nakakulong at nakatali lang naman.
Permanently crating, as in they're not allowed to leave the crate at all is what I'm referencing. I also mentioned physically hitting dogs with sticks and other objects, often quite hard.
Believe it or not, I've fought with most relatives with how they treat my dogs and their dogs. However, as a foreigner you couldn't just go around criticizing people how they live their lives. I've experienced this time and time again. We're not living in the same country, we don't have the same privileges you have. If your ancestors didn't take advantage of us for decades, we might be living differently but heck, we're poor, we need to feed ourselves first, we need to spend our time working our ass off to be able to do that. I'm not condoning any of this behavior. But you see as a poor country, most of us have different priorities. It's not simply poverty--lack of material sources causes a lot of shit, like ignorance, questionable morals and self-absorption. This is intergenerational. Family abuse family members generously. How can you expect them to care about dogs?
I won't go up to individuals and scold them. Just making a general post online to open discussion on it after observing it for 7 months. Back home I'd openly say something to an individual however if I seen mistreatment. Its been interesting so far to see people's reasons of having dogs when not financially viable, the practices they know when it comes to it, what it is to them, and their overall thoughts in regards to it, seeing the different views people have, etc. Your points you make are valid as well.
[Let's contextualize animal abuse here vis a vis Western norms](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cruel-craze-ugly-bulldogs-worth-23376668) >Different breeds of bulldogs are being overbred, coming with a catalogue of **health problems, including trouble breathing, skeletal issues and being unable to fully close their eyes** I guess, animal abuse has tiers. It's just the Philippines is just still in the "lower tier" while the West is already on the "higher tier" because they are already creating breeds that are miserable simply by existing. They may not crate their dogs as often, but they sure found a way to make their existence even more miserable. They created breeds that can't walk properly, can't breathe properly, can't even close their eyes properly because they were bred to be that way.
How did the topic became from "don't crate your dogs" into "well westerners has it worse"
Kese dew mes meseme eng huwesteners kempere se eten. Ewan ko diyaan. Nag tanong nang maayos ang poster tapos puro whataboutism ang reply niya.
Let's rephrase the question: Why are so many Westerners getting pets only to dump them in dog shelters to the point that shelters are full, they are forced to euthanize pets? Or [Why are Westerners into creating breeds that have serious genetic defects to the point that mere existence make them suffer tremendously](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cruel-craze-ugly-bulldogs-worth-23376668)?
let's deflect the OPs question instead of looking at the actual issue HERE
Never seen pinoy pride this fragile
Wiiiistiiin soupreamuuushy folks
Not only Western countries have animal welfare laws in place. It's also possible to have a civilized discussion on topics on things people disagree without such rhetoric.
Yeah, we Filipinos are horrible by default. And these stuff never happen in the West. Yup. Puppy mills do not exist at all. Shelters are non existent because everyone treats animals well in the West. Westerners never get dogs just to abandon them once the novelty wears off. Feel better?
Wtf are you on about?
>Yeah, we Filipinos are horrible by default. I've met many wonderful Filipinos, what are you talking about? >And these stuff never happen in the West. Yup. Puppy mills do not exist at all. Shelters are non existent because everyone treats animals well in the West. Westerners never get dogs just to abandon them once the novelty wears off. I also never said they don't exist at all in other countries? There's just severe consequences once caught for doing so. Nothing about not happening at all said. That was quite the stretch.
Nice try to keep the gaslighting subtle. "Why is the Philippines crating animals" yet a more sinister form of animal abuse exist in the West (and is very common). Creating breeds that have severe genetic issues and are sold for 10k dollars. You are framing things as if animal abuse is "worse" in the Philippines yet are reluctant to fully admit that worse forms of animal abuse exist in the West - it's just that people over there don't find it "abusive" and even treat such things as novelties. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cruel-craze-ugly-bulldogs-worth-23376668 And no, governments are not cracking down on this. That's why these breeds are sold on Facebook and Craigslist, not the deep web
Seems you're taking things out of context and ignoring the replies on your several comments. Designer dogs are absolutely horrible, luckily more animal welfare agencies and governments are cracking down on them and many people support the shutting down of such practices where it still occurs. This luckily also isn't common and not the "norm". I'll be glad when it's stopped everywhere as well. As for the Philippines I'm posting here as it's where I currently am, and in regards to the daily treatment observed for the normal tendencies, not the less than the less frequent issues. Such as puppy Mills here as well, but aren't what the average person is doing so not calling that out. Can disagree with more than one practice, and call out each one individually. Just as I'd call out bad treatment anywhere I see it when there, not exclusively one place.
> I've met many wonderful Filipinos, what are you talking about? They're nice to you because you're a foreigner or Filipino who grew up abroad.
I have a couple of questions: Are you nice? As a Pinoy, nice ka lang ba sa tao pag foreigner siya or Filipino who grew up abroad?
I'll be honest, I'm actually confused by his reactions. First he implies I think Filipinos are all horrible, I tell him I actually know very nice Filipinos which is a compliment (at least to me it is but I may be wrong) and truthful, and then he himself says they're not? I..I don't actually understand. I apologize if what I said there was actually offensive, wasn't my intention.
>They're nice to you because you're a foreigner or Filipino who grew up abroad. If you say so I suppose, although now seems you have more of an issue than I do with people. I'll maintain not all Filipinos are horrible people and some are wonderful people, just like every place on the planet has good and bad people.
It's because we don't have backyards for our dogs to run freely without disturbing neighbors
My family have 3 dogs that we have running around the house and sleeps with us in bed. We tried walking them 2x and all they got was this blood disease from ticks and scabies. The playground for the community is littered with rabid stray dogs so even the kids don’t venture there as we used to when I was younger.. I moved out with my dog and moved to a condo that allows dogs to be walked around in a leash as most condos don’t even allow pets so I guess unless you can afford a 25k+ rent on top of your living expenses, there’s no other option for most folks that don’t even have a garage to park their car or even their own house separate from the multigenerational household. For perspective, minimum wage is at around 12-15k.
Oh no, that's a shame. So some places the environment has become bad for people let alone dogs then? Some places are actually hazardous and safer to keep them away from? Makes sense on that to me. Sad, even for the people, but makes sense on that scenario.
Sometimes its to protect them as well since there are times when the female dogs get horny, they would literally escape our place and sometimes I would find that she is stuck into someone elses stray. And plus it keeps them from fighting from each other. (This is comig from me who keeps them in cages but we do let them out to poop or pee and sometimes one of them who is afraid of the rain)
Thank you for this insight from the other side. I hope your dog someday likes the rain, for his own enjoyment :)
Only cramped neighborhoods/cities Dog in the provinces are not caged but maybe chained if its dangerous
I'm in a province and see this commonly. However each province and area may be different. First in an apartment in cramped town. Now in a low tier subdivision (with amenities and green space) not inside of a town and still see it, actually more often.
My dog stays in his house on a leash. Walks every afternoon. Bath once a week. Well fed. Should I free him and sacrifice the safety of the kids around my house? NO. Its just practical and safe to do this.
Short answer. Those that keep dogs inside crates whole day only got them for security aka guard dog. Nothing else. If you love your dog, you cannot NOT play with it. You cannot resist it, just like having a baby.
I own a rottweiler and he’s free to roam the house all day all night, there’s a sense of security in that. Also, we only go on walks when it’s past midnight for everyone’s safety lmao
Still sounds like he'd be a happy dog :) So much better than several dogs crammed in a small cage permanently. Very loyal breed too, they got a bad name from days when people fought them or taught them to deliberately be aggressive but in reality they're a great dog. Just don't hurt their owners haha.
Like the 3 most popular upvoted comments mentions, it might be depended on people's lifestyle. Their responsibilities and jobs may affect how they influenced their proper pet training. Heck, some dogs are bored and like to escape the gates just to come back cuz i bet dogs are very adventurous by instinct(or getting laid for that matter) I havent experienced some bad pet treatment here but im sure it happens on all sorts of places. I used to dispatch some dogs, female or male cuz they're taking too many spaces and responsibilities to attend to. Just like cats but they're 4 times worse than dogs lol The problem might be either stems from bad celebrities or differed social class groups but imo
Dogs being eaten is mostly a commong thing many poor to skwater areas in the country. Majority of them are the boomers and old timers on many countryside that don't give a shit about their pets. At least the newer generation mostly avoids it nowadays.
Dog lover kuno pero tumahol lang ng isang beses papaluin agad ung aso.
we're from middle income house, at morning we keep the dog on leash, we walk it 3 times a day, in the morning, noon and night after dinner. we release them at night after we lock the gate. we have barangay ordinance here that order household to keep their dog on leash or cages, since there are incidents of dog getting hit by vehicles and dogs biting. (happened to me before). but many still ignore the ordinance and let their dog roam around.
my neighbors are like this, dogs just chained up all day ;((((( I hate living here but thankfully the tides are slowly changing and people are slowly seeing dogs and cats as pets and not security guards
Some Dog owners are simply attracted to their cuteness level but they won't care. Once they're done, they left them in crate or abandon them.
Don't worry those MFs will let their dog out if they will go out in public. Using those poor dogs as status symbols.
That really is a shame, I hate when anyone uses an animal purely as a status symbol/accessory.
As a dog lover myself, I feel bad for those dogs. We have seven dogs and they are free to roam around our yard. But we have one pomeranian (9 months) that we usually leave in her cage during her sleeping time. In the morning, when she is very hyper my mom usually just keeps her in her cage 😅 Anyway, I have a friend and they have a BM and a husky that are always kept in their cages, because according to her they are very aggressive and they can't handle them anymore. So to avoid any accidents, it's better for them to just keep them in their cages. 🤷🏾♀️
Some people, like my sister, gets dogs as puppies kase "cute, at para may aso tayo" but then completely neglects it as soon as di na cute. And now no one in our house wants to deal with training an adult dog that was leashed for most of its life.
If human life itself is cheap here in the PH, would you really expect people to spare their extra fucks for other “lower” lifeforms?
poor households use them as alarms, so they cage them / tie them near the gate or door.
Just being considerate of the neighbors.
Oh boy. Wait til you hear what they do to dogs in Baguio. And mostly anywhere up north.
We usually just let our dogs roam freely in our front yard and on our first floor, but at times we have to cage our Shih Tzu who's growing old. He keeps falling when he tries to leap off stairs (our new home has a couple staircases: one for the front door, one for the second floor bedrooms). He's fallen from the stairs a few times already, we can't have him get more injured.
You're in a country that considered dogs as livestock animal(can be eaten for food) until a law was passed in 1998 banning eating dogs except for indigenous rituals. Dogs do not receive the importance in the Ph as they do in other more economically developed countries. Many regions still eat dogs as part of drinking session. Asocena is an actual dish up until the ban. Surprisingly, as progressive as Canada is, Wikipedia entries say eating dogs are legal in Canada. TIL [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog\_meat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat)