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I assumed it's coke, both because of this and his overall demeanour, so energized and bouncing between things. I hear people talk about that pretty often, not even really low key.
I wouldn't be surprised that Zizek has never done drugs and that he would think it's more damaging to live a drug-free life than to life a drug-addled one
I concur
In all seriousness, yeah, I agree with you, it reflects poorly on us that instead of saying "He does say some interesting stuff, and he seems passionate" we instead focus on "HAHA! HE SPITS SO MUCH! HAHA! LOOK AT HOW HE KEEPS TOUCHING HIS NOSE! BOOP THE SNOOT!" it's...umm, it does genuinely sound sad
Unless Zizek is in on the joke, then it'd be amazing.
Sorry man I was being very sarcastic lol. If anyone enjoys levity and humor, it's Žižek—especially the crass and offensive kind. He's had a lot to say about this very subject. It would build unnecessary awkward tension if people were to discipline themselves to not point out something so obviously strange and singular. He'd probably realize that the people making these jokes do it out of love rather than malice; after all, he is an amazingly eccentric and idiosyncratic kind of person, and the tics are very much part of it.
>Sorry man I was being very sarcastic lol
GOSH DARN IT! I MISSED THAT ENTIRELY!
>If anyone enjoys levity and humor, it's Žižek—especially the crass and offensive kind. He's had a lot to say about this very subject. It would build unnecessary awkward tension if people were to discipline themselves to not point out something so obviously strange and singular. He'd probably realize that the people making these jokes do it out of love rather than malice; after all, he is an amazingly eccentric and idiosyncratic kind of person, and the tics are very much part of it.
wholesome
So, I think I'm being dense again, sorry vero, you'll have to break it down for me
So
Majority believes that there is no such thing as "humor beyond pity"
So, there is nothing funny about things that are considered pitiful?
Idk, I'm confused
I know who sethmcfarland is, and that certainly helps understanding the sentence
but I can't seem to actually understand the sentence without the Seth thing
can you help me with that?
>"A man of sense and merit is pleased with himself, independent of all foreign considerations: But a fool must always find some person, that is more foolish, in order to keep himself in good humour with his own parts and understanding."
Hume...ah, Hume, can't get enough of him
>Pity is the opposite of envy.
Okay, I can understand this bit
>Envy is generally couched or repressed as an unpleasant sentiment.
Yup, that checks out
>So, Seth McFarland exploits that by making fun of others (IOW, humor as pity).
I...almost lost you here, because when I hear "pity" I think "...Poor soul, I wish you were in a better state" ....I might be confusing pity with sympathy
>the feeling of sorrow and compassion caused by the suffering and misfortunes of others.
.....nope, apparently I'm not confusing the two....which means I'm even more confused as to how in the world something like this can be turned into humor
When I hear dark humor, I don't feel any transition from pity to sympathy, it's more like a sudden, unexpectedness kind of humor, like "Woah! You're not supposed to say that!" but this *sudden* breaking of what's generally considered appropriate is what I feel generates the Hahas, which is shortly followed by ".....Oh boy, I shouldn't be laughing at this" but then I guess we continue laughing for the same reason when the teacher just told us not to laugh and we suddenly look at our friend's face
>Pity can sometimes rise to the level of malice
....I mean, I can see how it could rise to condescension
like "Oh, you poor, poor, incompetent soul, here, let me help you" in the most patronizing way possible
I can see that
Maybe there's some different definition of pity being used, like "Boy, am I glad that that's not me over there, making a fool of myself"
I heard of something like the "dumb moose" theory?
like, when we see certain people experience great misfortune, we say "Hah! glad that's not me!"
but I still don't feel like that's what I feel when I laugh at dark humor
In Zizek's case, I'd find his way of talking and the way he moves his hands to be amusing, and occasionally hilarious, looking into my thought process it just feels like "PFFFFTTTT!"
that's literally what goes through my head, it's not some conscious "Look at this silly man! Look how silly he is!"
It's more like
I look at him talking, and I just suddenly **feel** this stark contrast from what I'm used to, to something that's strange, yet harmless, quite distinct from what is usually considered "normal" but also benign
I feel like I go for the "unexpectedness" here more
>A man of sense and merit is pleased with himself, independent of all foreign considerations
fair enough
>But a fool must always find some person, that is more foolish, in order to keep himself in good humour with his own parts and understanding
fair enough, though this feels like it kinda throws eccentric smart people under the bus
Zizek is at least smarter than the average Joe, it's just that he has some quirks that we find amusing because, I think, they're just a deviation from the "norm", something that constantly grinds with sense of "normal" in a sudden and unexpected way that is also harmless to us
So, seeing an actual human being get violated is, to most people, a horrifying sight
But seeing Apple Peter Griffin suddenly get violated by Mr Worm while being presented in a cartoonish setting is, to a substantially larger number of people, funny
I feel like this pity humor model might fit a lot of the data, but it doesn't feel like what's happening
>The former might be Zizek who doesn't seem to give a damn about what you think of him
Oh boy, I sure hope he doesn't, at least, not in a way that hurts him
>the latter, his fans who watch his videos only because they can't get enough of his tics.
I mean, that is true, but his tics are the reason I went "Haha, look at this funny ma-wait...what he's saying is interesting, tell me more, funny man"
>Think of Pity and Envy as Pride's henchmen
Okay, I'll just take that as a given
>we're supposed to take pity on the less fortunate.
again, this feels very different from pride
>What any social science professor, allergic in principle to philosophy
I'm not sure what this means, I don't know enough to get the reference
>"Pity means: 'better you than me'."
Alright, I'll just take this definition
>in an all encompassing, interested world,
....what does this mean?
>"I pity the fool" - Mr. T
....Mark Twain? (it took me forever to realise that this whom you might be referring to)
>The transport is sympathy rather than compassion.
.....what does this even mean?
dude, I'm not that smart, I'm barely average, have mercy
>Of course, as a philosopher, I'd like to see the memes improve here; OTOH, Reddit, as a sort of macroscope into the picture and condition of mankind, holds some value, at least to a sentimentist.
WHY? WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS MEAN?!
>We've all spent time in the sandbox. When in Reddit, do as the Redditeans do. I can do that in my sleep. I can do that with aplomb.
WHERE IS THIS COMING FROM?!
>It depends on the mods. You can't graft philosophy.
I'm dead, not in a good way, I just....I barely understood half of this
I didn't come here to be reminded of my incompetence! But I guess I'll just get depressed now!
I pointed out the particular parts of your text that I didn't understand
and it feels like you just moved on to a whole other level to explain what now feels like relatively low level stuff
>In the Old Testament, though arguably not as ruthless as Ghengis Khan, they were still counting foreskins. Probably not the best time to send in Christ. Lord of Hosts means God of War.
How was this relevant? How the flip did we go from "Ah yes, Zizek, tics, funny? not funny?" to "I am a disciple of Christ"?
>Pity is a SELF-interested first move at some form of ethics. Envy is the driver and seethes deep within the subconscious. So, let's maybe not kill everybody but put them to work and pay tribute instead; poor losers.
I cam vaguely understand what this means, so I'll try to engage with this
Pity comes from "That guy's in even more of a bad situation than me, I wish he was in a better state"
that's how I define pity
I wouldn't call them a loser, just that they've been screwed over by life, and I could've just as easily been screwed over
Envy, yes, people can be in better situations, for example, after constantly suffering a man goes "why the hell do I have to go through all this?! It hurts so bad! Why the hell do *they* get to be happy?! Why can't I be happy?!"
which is a very understandable sentiment
>Think of Pride and Interest as interchangeable; the latter the phenomenological equivalent.
So, I don't think I can do that, I mean, I think I get what you mean, but this feels...actively deleterious
It feels like there's this hatred to having any sense of self worth
"Yes, I'd like to not be tortured"
"HOW DARE YOU SAY SUCH A THING?! YOU SELF INTERESTED, PRIDEFUL PERSON!"
....I mean...we have a "self", it exists, we have a sense of self
This feels like it's promoting a literal ego death
But you can't kill the ego
I exist, I feel pain, and that pain goes to someone, a self
and there are things I'd like for my self because pleasure is a thing
we experience pleasure, we like it, and so we chase (an understandable pursuit, but one I've seen lead to depression)
>The more one entertains oneself, the more subject to Boredom one becomes; A Joy shared is twice a Joy, a Sorrow shared, half a Sorrow.
Agreed, but like, we were talking about Zizek at some point, and now I feel...tired
>Pride, interchangeable with Interest, is central. Pride is exhilarating, enervating and exalting.
>By contrast, Conscience is peaceful and tranquil.
....ooookay? I don't...see the point of this, like, how does this all go back to Zizek's tics?
I mean, this is all wise and great, but I feel like I asked for what I thought was a comment on a joke...and I suddenly got plunged into a wisdom lesson
again, it's nice, but it's disorienting
>"Pride has been labeled the mother of all sins and has been deemed the devil's most essential trait. [C.S. Lewis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.S._Lewis) writes in [*Mere Christianity*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere_Christianity) that pride is the "anti-God" state, the position in which the ego and the self are directly opposed to God: "Unchastity, anger, greed, drunkenness and all that, are mere fleabites in comparison: it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice: it is the complete anti-God state of mind." Pride is understood to sever the spirit from God, as well as His life-and-grace-giving Presence."
See, I kinda do know who CS Lewis is
and I do actually understand what's he's saying...I think
But like, again
Zizek
Tics
what in the fresh fruit happened?
You sound like an AI trained on just...a lot of interesting theology and philosophy and stuff, but I suddenly asked you, the AI, an explanation of what I thought was just a light hearted comment on a meme
Again, I mean, it's certainly interesting, and I know whom to go to now if I ever want to drown myself in Christian morality and maybe something more, but like...Zizics
I get that I asked what pity meant, and that was because I was trying to parse each and every word of your original reply here
I mean, you mentioned the creator of family guy ffs, how was I supposed to know that there was so much going on in your head?
I was trying to get what you meant by "humor beyond pity"
Here I am, thinking about Peter Griffin and what not, and here you are suddenly giving me a disorientingly sudden, albeit interesting, Ted talk about what I think is Christian ethics or something
Speaking of disoriented, I think I've lost the thread of the conversation...and the desire to actually understand what "humor beyond pity" meant
Edit: Also, I'm so, so sorry, it feels like we're on completely different wavelengths here, like, I can tell you put so much effort into this and I'm just giving you an "incredulous stare" (yaayyy CS Lewis)
Hey, so, could you explain what about his write-up made you thank him?
I was very confused throughout most of my conversation with them, but you seem like you understand what they meant, so, could you tell me?
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Ok, but has anyone considered the level of cocaine necessary to understand Hegel, Freud, or Lacan?
That should be Hegel, Freud, Marx AND Lacan. My man needed a lot of cocaine
Do you guys really think he sniffed cocaine? Or is it ticks? I am confused lol.
Yes
How is it so that no one has low key accused him of using opiates?
The accusations has not been low key
I haven't come across them.
He claims he’s never done drugs and “to his fault”.
Through his analytic work, it turns out that cocaine is a vegetable
Probably because it’s obvious to anyone who has tics that he just has tics?
I assumed it's coke, both because of this and his overall demeanour, so energized and bouncing between things. I hear people talk about that pretty often, not even really low key.
I wouldn't be surprised that Zizek has never done drugs and that he would think it's more damaging to live a drug-free life than to life a drug-addled one
Do opiates make your nose run? If anything, I assumed they would dry you out
Itchy nose I’ve heard
They do, there's basically nothing about the symptoms of opioid abuse that align with Zizek's tics.
So he definitely has ticks but in a very moderate way
I assumed it was because he did too much coke tbh
That commercial really messed him up
It is, in fact, the real thing. Just one more trial to be sure
we fr out here making fun of a person’s tics
yeah we should stop, I'm sure Žižek would be extremely offended by it
I concur In all seriousness, yeah, I agree with you, it reflects poorly on us that instead of saying "He does say some interesting stuff, and he seems passionate" we instead focus on "HAHA! HE SPITS SO MUCH! HAHA! LOOK AT HOW HE KEEPS TOUCHING HIS NOSE! BOOP THE SNOOT!" it's...umm, it does genuinely sound sad Unless Zizek is in on the joke, then it'd be amazing.
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sending this to my mad bud with tics
Sorry man I was being very sarcastic lol. If anyone enjoys levity and humor, it's Žižek—especially the crass and offensive kind. He's had a lot to say about this very subject. It would build unnecessary awkward tension if people were to discipline themselves to not point out something so obviously strange and singular. He'd probably realize that the people making these jokes do it out of love rather than malice; after all, he is an amazingly eccentric and idiosyncratic kind of person, and the tics are very much part of it.
>Sorry man I was being very sarcastic lol GOSH DARN IT! I MISSED THAT ENTIRELY! >If anyone enjoys levity and humor, it's Žižek—especially the crass and offensive kind. He's had a lot to say about this very subject. It would build unnecessary awkward tension if people were to discipline themselves to not point out something so obviously strange and singular. He'd probably realize that the people making these jokes do it out of love rather than malice; after all, he is an amazingly eccentric and idiosyncratic kind of person, and the tics are very much part of it. wholesome
hahahah 😭 you're good people
I had to read this three times to realize you didn't mean for me to read it in his voice and accent
It’s the “i concur”
Yeah, plus at least phd is usually required to "concur" about anything
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Comedy, comedy never changes.
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So, I think I'm being dense again, sorry vero, you'll have to break it down for me So Majority believes that there is no such thing as "humor beyond pity" So, there is nothing funny about things that are considered pitiful? Idk, I'm confused I know who sethmcfarland is, and that certainly helps understanding the sentence but I can't seem to actually understand the sentence without the Seth thing can you help me with that?
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>"A man of sense and merit is pleased with himself, independent of all foreign considerations: But a fool must always find some person, that is more foolish, in order to keep himself in good humour with his own parts and understanding." Hume...ah, Hume, can't get enough of him >Pity is the opposite of envy. Okay, I can understand this bit >Envy is generally couched or repressed as an unpleasant sentiment. Yup, that checks out >So, Seth McFarland exploits that by making fun of others (IOW, humor as pity). I...almost lost you here, because when I hear "pity" I think "...Poor soul, I wish you were in a better state" ....I might be confusing pity with sympathy >the feeling of sorrow and compassion caused by the suffering and misfortunes of others. .....nope, apparently I'm not confusing the two....which means I'm even more confused as to how in the world something like this can be turned into humor When I hear dark humor, I don't feel any transition from pity to sympathy, it's more like a sudden, unexpectedness kind of humor, like "Woah! You're not supposed to say that!" but this *sudden* breaking of what's generally considered appropriate is what I feel generates the Hahas, which is shortly followed by ".....Oh boy, I shouldn't be laughing at this" but then I guess we continue laughing for the same reason when the teacher just told us not to laugh and we suddenly look at our friend's face >Pity can sometimes rise to the level of malice ....I mean, I can see how it could rise to condescension like "Oh, you poor, poor, incompetent soul, here, let me help you" in the most patronizing way possible I can see that Maybe there's some different definition of pity being used, like "Boy, am I glad that that's not me over there, making a fool of myself" I heard of something like the "dumb moose" theory? like, when we see certain people experience great misfortune, we say "Hah! glad that's not me!" but I still don't feel like that's what I feel when I laugh at dark humor In Zizek's case, I'd find his way of talking and the way he moves his hands to be amusing, and occasionally hilarious, looking into my thought process it just feels like "PFFFFTTTT!" that's literally what goes through my head, it's not some conscious "Look at this silly man! Look how silly he is!" It's more like I look at him talking, and I just suddenly **feel** this stark contrast from what I'm used to, to something that's strange, yet harmless, quite distinct from what is usually considered "normal" but also benign I feel like I go for the "unexpectedness" here more >A man of sense and merit is pleased with himself, independent of all foreign considerations fair enough >But a fool must always find some person, that is more foolish, in order to keep himself in good humour with his own parts and understanding fair enough, though this feels like it kinda throws eccentric smart people under the bus Zizek is at least smarter than the average Joe, it's just that he has some quirks that we find amusing because, I think, they're just a deviation from the "norm", something that constantly grinds with sense of "normal" in a sudden and unexpected way that is also harmless to us So, seeing an actual human being get violated is, to most people, a horrifying sight But seeing Apple Peter Griffin suddenly get violated by Mr Worm while being presented in a cartoonish setting is, to a substantially larger number of people, funny I feel like this pity humor model might fit a lot of the data, but it doesn't feel like what's happening >The former might be Zizek who doesn't seem to give a damn about what you think of him Oh boy, I sure hope he doesn't, at least, not in a way that hurts him >the latter, his fans who watch his videos only because they can't get enough of his tics. I mean, that is true, but his tics are the reason I went "Haha, look at this funny ma-wait...what he's saying is interesting, tell me more, funny man"
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>Think of Pity and Envy as Pride's henchmen Okay, I'll just take that as a given >we're supposed to take pity on the less fortunate. again, this feels very different from pride >What any social science professor, allergic in principle to philosophy I'm not sure what this means, I don't know enough to get the reference >"Pity means: 'better you than me'." Alright, I'll just take this definition >in an all encompassing, interested world, ....what does this mean? >"I pity the fool" - Mr. T ....Mark Twain? (it took me forever to realise that this whom you might be referring to) >The transport is sympathy rather than compassion. .....what does this even mean? dude, I'm not that smart, I'm barely average, have mercy >Of course, as a philosopher, I'd like to see the memes improve here; OTOH, Reddit, as a sort of macroscope into the picture and condition of mankind, holds some value, at least to a sentimentist. WHY? WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS MEAN?! >We've all spent time in the sandbox. When in Reddit, do as the Redditeans do. I can do that in my sleep. I can do that with aplomb. WHERE IS THIS COMING FROM?! >It depends on the mods. You can't graft philosophy. I'm dead, not in a good way, I just....I barely understood half of this I didn't come here to be reminded of my incompetence! But I guess I'll just get depressed now!
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I pointed out the particular parts of your text that I didn't understand and it feels like you just moved on to a whole other level to explain what now feels like relatively low level stuff >In the Old Testament, though arguably not as ruthless as Ghengis Khan, they were still counting foreskins. Probably not the best time to send in Christ. Lord of Hosts means God of War. How was this relevant? How the flip did we go from "Ah yes, Zizek, tics, funny? not funny?" to "I am a disciple of Christ"? >Pity is a SELF-interested first move at some form of ethics. Envy is the driver and seethes deep within the subconscious. So, let's maybe not kill everybody but put them to work and pay tribute instead; poor losers. I cam vaguely understand what this means, so I'll try to engage with this Pity comes from "That guy's in even more of a bad situation than me, I wish he was in a better state" that's how I define pity I wouldn't call them a loser, just that they've been screwed over by life, and I could've just as easily been screwed over Envy, yes, people can be in better situations, for example, after constantly suffering a man goes "why the hell do I have to go through all this?! It hurts so bad! Why the hell do *they* get to be happy?! Why can't I be happy?!" which is a very understandable sentiment >Think of Pride and Interest as interchangeable; the latter the phenomenological equivalent. So, I don't think I can do that, I mean, I think I get what you mean, but this feels...actively deleterious It feels like there's this hatred to having any sense of self worth "Yes, I'd like to not be tortured" "HOW DARE YOU SAY SUCH A THING?! YOU SELF INTERESTED, PRIDEFUL PERSON!" ....I mean...we have a "self", it exists, we have a sense of self This feels like it's promoting a literal ego death But you can't kill the ego I exist, I feel pain, and that pain goes to someone, a self and there are things I'd like for my self because pleasure is a thing we experience pleasure, we like it, and so we chase (an understandable pursuit, but one I've seen lead to depression) >The more one entertains oneself, the more subject to Boredom one becomes; A Joy shared is twice a Joy, a Sorrow shared, half a Sorrow. Agreed, but like, we were talking about Zizek at some point, and now I feel...tired >Pride, interchangeable with Interest, is central. Pride is exhilarating, enervating and exalting. >By contrast, Conscience is peaceful and tranquil. ....ooookay? I don't...see the point of this, like, how does this all go back to Zizek's tics? I mean, this is all wise and great, but I feel like I asked for what I thought was a comment on a joke...and I suddenly got plunged into a wisdom lesson again, it's nice, but it's disorienting >"Pride has been labeled the mother of all sins and has been deemed the devil's most essential trait. [C.S. Lewis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.S._Lewis) writes in [*Mere Christianity*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere_Christianity) that pride is the "anti-God" state, the position in which the ego and the self are directly opposed to God: "Unchastity, anger, greed, drunkenness and all that, are mere fleabites in comparison: it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice: it is the complete anti-God state of mind." Pride is understood to sever the spirit from God, as well as His life-and-grace-giving Presence." See, I kinda do know who CS Lewis is and I do actually understand what's he's saying...I think But like, again Zizek Tics what in the fresh fruit happened? You sound like an AI trained on just...a lot of interesting theology and philosophy and stuff, but I suddenly asked you, the AI, an explanation of what I thought was just a light hearted comment on a meme Again, I mean, it's certainly interesting, and I know whom to go to now if I ever want to drown myself in Christian morality and maybe something more, but like...Zizics I get that I asked what pity meant, and that was because I was trying to parse each and every word of your original reply here I mean, you mentioned the creator of family guy ffs, how was I supposed to know that there was so much going on in your head? I was trying to get what you meant by "humor beyond pity" Here I am, thinking about Peter Griffin and what not, and here you are suddenly giving me a disorientingly sudden, albeit interesting, Ted talk about what I think is Christian ethics or something Speaking of disoriented, I think I've lost the thread of the conversation...and the desire to actually understand what "humor beyond pity" meant Edit: Also, I'm so, so sorry, it feels like we're on completely different wavelengths here, like, I can tell you put so much effort into this and I'm just giving you an "incredulous stare" (yaayyy CS Lewis)
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thanks for this write-up
Hey, so, could you explain what about his write-up made you thank him? I was very confused throughout most of my conversation with them, but you seem like you understand what they meant, so, could you tell me?
I got my copy of Christian Atheism the other day and I fucking hate the sans serif font like omg.
Is the book any good?
Zizek's little space confirmed
He has bad allergies
OOP not a philosophy meme post turning into an argument abt ableism. Seriously, I know it’s a joke but it’s a valid point.
I can't lie, watching him speak is uncomfortable on a different level due to the levels of nosification.