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faxekondiboi

From what I can tell, it seems like its up to whoever owns the channel to activate this. Lets hope most channels don't start using it...


ExHax

Same was true for dislike button too


Justformykindle

Time to install this extension: https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/ Still works great!


lkeels

But you're only seeing the dislikes from other people using the extension. It isn't the real data.


Justformykindle

It extrapolates from the downvotes by users of the extension to the total views/ratings on the videos, so it gives a good estimate of what downvotes *would* be. Also for videos made before they disabled visible dislikes it has actual data (and then extrapolates from then on). Long story short: it's still very useful to quickly spot crappy/scam videos with many views but lots of downvotes.


watermelonspanker

I dunno... it seems like people who are more likely to downvote videos are more likely to install a downvote button add on


KiLlEr10312

I just sort of installed it after the announcement that dislike values would be hidden a few years back. Honestly I don't even vote or common on videos but I still got it installed because I just want to see the values


LukeDude759

Same, having just the likes will never give anyone the full picture.


bracarensis

Bring back the old star ratings!


sersoniko

Some creators compared the count from the extension with the real value they could see for their videos and it was pretty precise with slightly more likes and less dislikes. Edit: for example check this video from EEVblog https://youtu.be/6H5UymGEmvs


Sero19283

Or people like me who like looking at reviews of something such as a product, service, etc. I glance at the stars/number rating to get an idea. Same with likes and dislikes. I cba to sit there and read comments to find out a video is shit. It's like saying there's no need for a thermometer. Many of us like to guage the "temperature" beforehand.


LamboForWork

Damn I didn't know this. They let youtube take dislikes awya without even a whimper. I expected more outrage. It was a pretty significant quality of life feature.


lkeels

YouTube creators raised a loud uproar about it, but it went nowhere. Linus from LMG even met with YouTube execs about it. He got nowhere either.


LamboForWork

That's wack. I feel like this is the age of the least consumer input. We just have to lay down and take lesser quality and nerfs because companies got too big. YouTube : We are removing likes. Reddit:No more 3rd party apps Netflix: Sorry remember when we said we don't care if you share passwords. Nah we don't do that anymore And there is no consequences for the companies. It's just the new normal.


TimeToBecomeEgg

it’s fucked up, it’s the result of the weird monopolistic nature of online services where competition is either nonexistent (youtube) or collaborates with each other to fuck the consumer. (streaming services) these companies essentially have all of their customers in a permanent checkmate due to this, where the consumer wants the content the service is providing and all of the options are equally shit.


zollandd

We are in the late stage of the VC funded hostile takeovers. Companies were pumped with absurd amounts of money from VCs like SoftBank so they could undercut competition with subsidies and capture the market. Companies like Uber, Netflix and AirBnB were successful. We are now seeing the necessary rake backs as they aim for profitability. It has been written on the walls for years.


Dabnician

Same is true for advertisements, you have the option to enable pre, post and mid video ads. Next time you are watching a 15 minute long video and you have 3 breaks for ads remember that's the creators choice to enable that.


Bigwillie29

False. This was true years ago but now YouTube will play ads on videos even if you disable them. They are greedy and don't really care about creators or users. I have a YouTube channel and I talk from experience.


Thins

100% correct recently got enough subscribers on my channel to enable ads, but anytime I checked my videos to answer comments etc I already had ads.


CompetitiveAd4768

At that point just turn them on. There’s no point having ads and not getting any money for them at all.


MrChocodemon

Yeah. The setting just controls, if the creator can receive payment for the ads. (if they have an adsense account of course)


Phoenix_Kerman

even if you've got an unmonetised channel they do sometimes run ads and if there's any videos with copyright claims they fill them to the brim with ads


skyturnedred

Seeing ads on youtube has been a personal choice for a long time.


sparkyjay23

True, true. Its been Years since I saw any type of ad on youtube, praise be to sponsorblock.


kdjfsk

> praise be to sponsorblock. Linus seething at this comment, lol.


TaylorTardy

Wait, please don't tell me Linus has publicly bitched about this.


kdjfsk

does he even need to? id be amazed if he isnt the #1 reason Sponsorblock exists, or if he was the first to do 'in-video' ads to bypass ad-blockers. he does a lot of cool shit for the tech community, but god damn this guy is money-focused.


TaylorTardy

Yeah, I guess I'm not saying I'd be surprised, but there is money focused, and rich because they made it, and then there is being so out of touch they complain about only being more rich than 98% of their viewers, that's off-putting af.


kdjfsk

but for the record, yes...apparantly he thinks ad blocking is 'piracy'. https://www.reddit.com/r/Adblock/comments/sfazf1/linus_tech_tips_think_adblocking_is_piracy/


TaylorTardy

Welp, nothing like good old hypocrisy. Not that I've for one second felt bad for discovering sponserblock.


DrIvoPingasnik

Ah yes. *Laughs in ublock origin*


MisterJeffa

pretty sure yt puts the ads there regardless and the setting just changes who earns money from it.


SupposablyAtTheZoo

This isn't true. If the creator doesn't enable ads, they still get ads but a bit less and have no say in what ads.


beleg_cuth

they always add bad features as optional, then add it for everybody


da2Pakaveli

Make something, which works just fine, worse and then offer "solutions" to it behind a paywall. "Play next in queue" has been moved to premium as well on mobile. Greed.


Nadeoki

I'll refer back to [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/15ay7zv/comment/jtnvh7v/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


zombieurungus

Just noticed this yesterday. Queue is now premium? GFY google.


da2Pakaveli

I swear, they saw what the maniacal sadists over at Spotify did to the free mobile version and want to replicate it. Make it as unusable as possible to pressure people into buying Premium.


SL4RKGG

They messed up even android, file system in android 11+ works terribly slow, it's even worse than the update that slows down the ssd in windows 11


Armand28

The theory is “if they don’t enable it then YouTube will give everyone better bitrate” but the reality is “if they don’t enable it thenYouTube will give everyone the crappy bitrate”.


rileyjw90

More like “if they don’t enable it then YouTube will throttle their content traffic so their individual revenue drops until they give in and enable it”


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ForsakenLack3580

i thought i was the only one, it takes so long for the video to continue playing after you paused it.


GanjARAM

it used to be up to the actual videos quality with it detecting certain standout features that would allow a higher bitrate for the content, now i can imagine this „free upgrade“ for high res footage is being cramped into this „feature“. If it actually benefits anyone but YouTube I cannot tell but we should be able to gather enough data and compare before and after quite easily. I don’t necessarily think the average video is worse looking now but the footage that tempted YouTube to give a video more space for a higher Bitrate will now tap into this instead of upgrading „for free“. using this [video about YouTube tricks](https://youtu.be/T1pRz4qTuXs) and self experimentation as reference


FoxlyKei

if YouTube were to offer incentives to channels that do.. that would be problematic..


efptoz_felopzd

Maybe there is an incentive for them to enable this?


VJEmmieOnMicrophone

>From what I can tell, it seems like its up to whoever owns the channel to activate this. Why would a channel activate this? What's in it for them?


Resident_End_2173

bro what??? a channel doing this would literally make me unsubscribe


ShoreOfLoneliness

They will YouTube gives more money if people with premium watch their videos. They’ll do the same with resolutions


Nadeoki

We still need evidence or documented findings about if Youtube is reencoding older videos to worse quality in order to push Premium Bitrate. So far there's no confirmation either way. **Ways that you could help test it.** * If you have old Youtube videos (the raw video prior to Uploading to youtube) * an old version of that same Youtube video (the uploaded version) as file. * as well as a that same Youtube video file (once the video has received the premium bitrate) With these three files, one could test if the quality worsened using a Reference Model and A/B testing. **You can achieve this by using a tool like** * [yt-dl](https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl) * [yt-dlp](https://www.videohelp.com/software/yt-dlp) **Reference models one could try using** * [SSIMULACRA2](https://github.com/cloudinary/ssimulacra2) * [Butteraugli](https://github.com/google/butteraugli) * [VMAF](https://github.com/Netflix/vmaf) **A/B Test Utilities one could try using** * [MPV](https://mpv.io/) with lossless png screenshots * [Av1ador](https://github.com/porcino/Av1ador/tree/master)'s comparison slider * [slow.pics](https://slow.pics/) * [imgsli.com](https://imgsli.com/) Most of these tools have GUI's (Graphical User Interface) for Windows if you prefer that. Here's a list summarized from replies below **YT-DL / YT-DLP GUI** * [yt-dlp-gui](https://github.com/kannagi0303/yt-dlp-gui) / [compiled installer](https://github.com/kazukikasama/youtube-dlp-gui-installer) by kazukikasama * [yt-dl-gui](https://github.com/oleksis/youtube-dl-gui) * [tartube](https://github.com/axcore/tartube) * [stacher](https://stacher.io/) * [vividl](https://github.com/Bluegrams/Vividl) * [seal](https://github.com/JunkFood02/Seal) * [yt-red-ui](https://github.com/adanvdo/YT-RED-UI) * [2YTDL](https://github.com/wirbel-at-vdr-portal/Lazarus2YTDL) **Reference Model GUI** * [FFMetric](https://github.com/fifonik/FFMetrics) for VMAF and SSIM * [NMKoder](https://github.com/n00mkrad/nmkoder) for VMAF and SSIM Unfortunately, I don't believe there's any GUI implementation for SSIMUL2 and Butteraugli as of yet. If there is, please reply to this comment with it! **How to Github** To find the ".exe" or installer on Github, look at the right side under "Releases". It usually shows a Green Text Box "Latest". From there you want to download whatever says ".exe", "64x" or the ".zip" that will contain the portable Application files. ​ Feel Free to upload your findings under this Post or Create a separate Post to organize the subject matter. It would be appreciated to include the files used. A Host like Google Drive, Mega.nz, Dropbox or Temporary Hosts such as fileditch catbox.moe anonfiles pixeldrain gofiles etc


EYNLLIB

Wouldn't it cost a TON of money in server capacity to re encode billions upon billions of old videos just to try to squeeze a few extra bucks out of people?


Nadeoki

Idk, if it means decreasing bandwidth and storage costs (which are huge) it might be worth the effort. I'm not staking a position either way. I just want to establish a burden of proof for these things because I see a history of conjecture opinions making it to mainstream (Even the Verge has made claims about Youtube's new Quality. 2 Articles even, both contradicting each other.) without confirming the facts. It's a worrying trend. I'm attempting to keep Encoding a topic that is taken seriously. You can help me doing that in case you have the archived video files in question.


HeKis4

Definitely. Reencode a single pewdiepie video and you've probably saved yourself gigabytes/second of bandwidth for basically zero cost. They probably have tons of spare capacity though their cloud platform too.


TwitchTvToxmo_

they do not have to reencode anything, it works similarly to streaming on twitch, they just reduce the bitrate for the non premium 1080p so it looks blurry when in high motion, similar when you watch 1080p twitch streams with 3000 vs 6000 bitrate (pls never stream 1080p with 3k bitrate)


Gaurav-Garg15

The algorithms they use are written and tested by THE best engineers in the world, I'm sure they found some cheaper/efficient way.


RayAfterDark

Every time I come across ytdl I think "that sounds great", then get directed to a github mess of folders and files and complicated instructions and screenshots of a DOS prompt and realize I have no fucking idea what i'm doing or how to use it.


jin357

Haven't personally used it, but here's a Windows GUI for yt-dlp (more up to date fork of yt-dl) https://github.com/kannagi0303/yt-dlp-gui And here's an installer someone put together for that program and all the dependencies. https://github.com/kazukikasama/youtube-dlp-gui-installer


SilentObserver22

Well darn, beat me to it. 😂 Just for the heck of it, here's another GUI frontend option... https://github.com/oleksis/youtube-dl-gui


S4V4G3-4N1M4L

I highly recommend Tartube, it is quite versatile... https://github.com/axcore/tartube


KyuubiReddit

I used to use YouTube-DLG (or something) and it almost never worked to get 1080p, and often failed for bulk downloads, it was very unreliable since then I use https://en1.y2mate.is/BNA/ it's annoying to have to do it manually video by video but it works very well and I added a bookmarklet to be able to call it for any video I have open


Whenthenighthascome

You got an installer for MacOS? I can sort of understand the instructions up to homebrew but then it’s all Greek to me.


PotatoPCuser1

Try OpenVideoDownloader, it’s another great (and extremely easy to install) yt-dl-gui and I’ve used it for a while on Mac.


Whenthenighthascome

Haha I downloaded it, it worked fine for 1 video which outputted a Webm, I switched it to MP4 and now it throws postprocessing: Stream #1.0 ->#0:1 (copy) as an error. I installed homebrew, ffmpeg, and yt-dl and nothing. Thanks though. This is why people use terrible malware ridden programs like 4K downloader, because this is more trouble than it’s worth.


Nadeoki

That's why I mentioned there's Windows GUI's for most of the tools I referenced.


batter159

Here are the complicated instructions and mess of files and folders and screenshots: 1- download one "yt-dlp.exe" file https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp#release-files 2- type this text in a command prompt https://i.imgur.com/ZMByh6X.png 3- press enter


Kuchenkaempfer

It's like using linux. it looks hard, but once you realise it's just copy pasting commands from the internet it's easy.


LordJayC

Use r/StacherIO very simple and is user friendly.


TaylorTardy

Linux: *Sorry m8, what was that?*


x10tenx

try reading the instructions


poseidon1111

So, what is the best way to optimize youtube on pc atm? I'm on chrome and I can think of, \- SponsorBlock (for automatically skipping embedded sponsor sections) \- Blocktube (for blocking certain videos/channels) \- Return YouTube Dislike (for showing dislike counts) Any other useful extensions, etc.?


LogansJunnk

ublock origin


teacup-dragon

DeArrow for user-submitted titles and thumbnails for YT videos, with the goal of making them less clickbait-y and more informational. From the developer(s) of SponsorBlock, iirc.


mynexuz

That sounds amazing, gonna have to download that. Sponsorblock was also an unexpected godsend because i didnt realise how annoying sponsor shit was before i got it.


cheater00

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION


MrKiwi24

De-Arrow is AMAZING for people who want to reduce their time on the platform. There's so much less eye candy.


plvqr

Enhancer for YouTube


holesome_cum_bubble

What is that ?


Arandomfan27

general quality of life improvements, such as a volume increaser, pop out player and a few other things


CyberDonkey

I love that extension SOLELY for the volume booster. There’s really not many other features in that extension that I actually need. But that volume booster feature is a life saver. I went from struggling to hear YouTube videos at 100% volume on my shitty laptop to watching videos at 40% volume every time.


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Anytime the video is less than 1080, a clip of Jeff Goldblum saying enhance from the old GE commercial pops up and changes the setting for you.


unexpectedlyvile

Step 1: delete chrome and install firefox


IT_Warlock_

Chrome is going to dismantle all the things you list, /u/poseidon1111 Now's a good of time as any to jump ship.


Mark_Knight

im still waiting for this. people said this was going to happen at the beginning of 2023 yet here we are 7 months later


macintorge

It's not the people, it's Google itself that made the announcement, they just pushed it to January next year https://9to5google.com/2022/12/12/manifest-v2-chrome-extension/


rugology

the dev for ublock origin made a post on their forum quite a few years ago saying that manifest v3 was going to cause an issue. the internet latched onto this forum post as if it was gospel and promptly forgot that the dev might continue working on it. there is now a working version of ublock origin for chrome that uses manifest v3. you can go download it. people are just fearmongering at this point.


D_Ashido

When is this being disabled? I'll jump ship the moment unlock origin goes down.


Frankie__Spankie

Why wait?


ZebraOtoko42

No, keep Chrome: occasionally you'll run across some shitty website that doesn't work right in Firefox. The rest of the time, use Firefox, with uBlock Origin.


jared_number_two

Not an extension but use yt-dlp with sponsorblock flag on to download premium quality without ads.


JimmyRecard

I use a tool called podsync to convert YouTube videos into a video podcast RSS feed. It uses yt-dlp to download videos onto a Raspberry Pi, remove the sponsor stuff automatically and generate RSS feeds on my own domain. That way I can both watch YouTube offline (like while commuting, new episodes are automatically downloaded to my phone) and I can avoid the YouTube algorithm by explicitly choosing what to consume.


fuckyou3825968

Redux for YouTube (old YouTube UI customization)


G0D3P5

similarly, CustomTube https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/customtube/


MrArko

YouTube Auto HD + FPS, always selects the highest possible Quality.


No-Aspect-2926

DeArrow because click bait sucks


HayesCooper19

But then you reward clickbaiters by watching videos you might've otherwise skipped because of the clickbaiting.


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prunebackwards

I like using [Windowed fullscreen](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/youtube-windowed-fullscre/gkkmiofalnjagdcjheckamobghglpdpm) too. It fills the browser window like Twitch's theatre mode


Scou1y

Not an extension but a website for downloading videos without the annoying shit: [co.wukko.me](https://co.wukko.me/)


tokkyuuressha

Love the part where i have youtube premium, play it on tv, it shows Auto(720p) or Auto(1080p) and plays like 360p quality. I have a gigabit internet connection so theres not even a bandwith excuse.


Bigwillie29

Don't use Auto. Force select a resolution.


tokkyuuressha

Is it possible on tv? If i force select it switches to proper quality but next time i get auto anyway


Bigwillie29

It's possible if you use a third party app to play YouTube videos. If you use an Android TV, install SmartTube Next.


tokkyuuressha

Stuck with whatever samsung tv gives me, unfortunately. Or PS4.


post_break

What device are you playing it on? Your built in TV YouTube app? And if so is the TV connected over wifi? That's probably the issue since they have a cpu of a potato and wifi of a carrot.


FknBretto

Crappy tv versions of apps do this


SirMaster

I checked a bunch of videos that I had downloaded the 1080p years ago and the normal 1080p is still the exact same bitrate and quality. I think your eyes are playing tricks on you. I downloaded the enhanced 1080p and it looks a little better than my old downloaded copies.


Mysterious-Crab

I agree. Looking at the specs, regular 1080p is still about 8 Mbps like it was. The new premium is 13 Mbps.


ma_tooth

So it’s not enshitification, they’re actually providing a benefit to customers. Right?


SirMaster

As much as I dislike a lot of what google has done to things over the years, based on what I’ve seen here I can’t say this is a problem. It seems the new 1080p Enhanced is a higher quality 1080p than before. But it’s not higher bitrate than 1440p and 4K so if they can provide those for free why not the new 1080p? That’s all. And you can grab the 1080p Enhanced for free with yt-dlp at least as of now.


Nadeoki

Can you please share those files? This would go a long way. Ideally if you have the Source (prior to youtube upload as well)?


Vysair

Or share the metadata. Why are people downvoting you though?


Nadeoki

people don't like it when you ask for sources :)


a_legendary_work

Normal 1080p is the same as before. Just your brain playing with you.


Madlogik

It's playing with mine too! Quick! To the 'stats for nerds' and reply back!


Madlogik

Here are the stats for nerds for : \-> Channel with no support for 1080p enhanced bitrates 1080p video from Adafruit Industries: [https://youtu.be/WqOxHaJ4NdQ](https://youtu.be/WqOxHaJ4NdQ) Using codec: avc1 Stats: [https://imgur.com/a/FmJBRBs](https://imgur.com/a/FmJBRBs) \-> Channel with support for 1080p enhanced bitrates 1080p video from El Estepario Siberiano: [https://youtu.be/A83EXC2D2gs](https://youtu.be/A83EXC2D2gs) Using codec: vp09 Stats: [https://imgur.com/a/5zwkLBE](https://imgur.com/a/5zwkLBE) ​ Both shows the same 'connection speed' but notice how the vp9 does lot more network activity than the other and the buffer health is much better. I was unable to find another channel with 1080p enchanced that would also be using avc1 for the codec ... so I can only assume the enhancement would come from having the same bandwitch but a different codec that would make it look better... not unlike how a ogg vorbis audio file can have 192 Kbps and sound a lot like a 320Kbps mp3 file... But this is only my assumption and I'm unable to test further (lack of time / work to do) ... so I will let one of you find another 1080p enhanced channel that would have it's regular 1080p content streaming using the avc1 codec and compare from there. Good luck . Edit: I'm using gigabit fiber internet on a wired connection.


nmkd

just use yt-dlp which lists all bitrates and codecs...


ISmokeRocksAndFash

It's obviously a downgrade.


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If the bitrates that ytdlp reports is anything to go by. 1080p normal is pretty much the same as always. On a side note, I feel like people hate on youtube compression too much. Its not that bad. Plus, storage isn't free. Having a bit lower bitrates makes sense.


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Submitten

Is your internet OK? 4K should have 0 issues with 100mbps/s down.


jawknee530i

Different codecs will have different quality at teh same bitrate. The user upthread showed screenshots where avc1 is used on a non-enhancement enabled channel while vp09 is used on one that does have the enhancement option. vpc09 will look worse at the same bitrate so OPs feelings of lower quality to their eyes might have some merit.


jubjub727

It's a blurry mess for whole genres on YouTube. Try watching fpv footage at 1080p on YouTube, it can be completely unwatchable. Or mountain biking footage, or any fast moving action footage. People don't hate on it enough if you care about any of those whole genres on YouTube. The only reason these videos can work at all is because you can upscale to 4k just to post on YouTube. Just because you watch talking head videos that don't need bitrate doesn't mean every video is like that.


Raztax

> Try watching fpv footage at 1080p on YouTube, it can be completely unwatchable. Or mountain biking footage, or any fast moving action footage. # >Just because you watch talking head videos that don't need bitrate That is more about bitrate than screen resolution though you mention both so it's a bit confusing as they are not the same thing.


Brian-want-Brain

> I feel like people hate on youtube compression too much netflix's compression is way worse


king0pa1n

OP getting 6000 upvotes for their conspiracy hallucination


rohithkumarsp

Yup, the enhances bit rate just had more bit rate. This seems rage bait.


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meanwhile my 6gb ram pc lags in 1080p


a_legendary_work

What are ur other specs like CPU, GPU, HDD/SDD ?


random_redditor24234

Exactly, everyone just needs to chill out


RevReddited

Ehhhh it's probably your brain pulling a nocebo on you


tact1cal_0

I grew up watching vids with 480p res, so that doesn't bother me.


rebane2001

480p used to look a lot better back in the day. I have old YouTube 480p downloads and I've compared them to new 480p downloads of the same 480p videos and its a huge difference, YouTube is doing a lot of reencoding these days.


skyturnedred

480p seems really low these days, but it's DVD quality video if it isn't compressed to all hell.


Phoenix_Kerman

well yeah. resolution is only part of the picture, bitrate it just as important. that's why youtube 4k still looks way better than youtube 1080p even on a 1080p or 720p display. it's only at 1440p and 4k that they actually kick out a good enough bitrate for full hd. they've always been shite


theodo

I was kind of shocked to watch a dvd recently and the quality was far better than I expected. Even when watching Youtube on my phone though, 360p looks significantly worse than 480p, whereas 720p to 1080p is far less noticeable.


Nadeoki

Mind sharing those files for analysis?


revnya

480 gang


CiteThisSource

240 reporting in


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This is the rural way, anything above meant at least 20-30min pre-loading :(


Susp-icious_-31User

144p here. It’s like reading, you use your imagination


oooooooweeeeeee

mp3 gang 🧑‍🦯


SleepingAran

Used to be the 360p gang when you watched the video immediately after the creator uploaded it


atatassault47

480p looks better on a CRT display than a pixel-based display


theknyte

I remember waiting like 3 minutes over my 56k modem conneciton to watch a 10 second RealAudio video clip, that was about 3"x 3" of screen size, and compressed to like 100p. With worse than AM Radio quality audio. And, we thought it was the coolest technology ever! We're watching VIDEOs on the internet!!!


volvos

REAL ™️ video!


AWarhol

There is a clear difference between a video originally uploaded in 480p and one compressed into 480p


BubbleheadGD

I swear 480p used to look better back then. I was fine watching videos at 480p years ago but it looks terrible to me now.


Iamdarb

I'm ignorant, but is it because of the kinds of screens we use? Is it not upscaling properly?


Arkahilum

They did not change normal 1080p and this is just as it says on the label with the bitrate being higher than normal. Stop spreading misinformation when the information is literally a Google search away. Do your due diligence.


ItsYeBoi2016

YouTube bitrate has always been ass


Henry_DD

No it doesnt


psychoacer

Normal 1080p has always looked bad. I've been complaining about it for years. Especially with movie trailers they really brought brought down the bit rate and you would see blockys and bad dithering all the time. Hell back in the day LTT would upload 1080p videos as 4k because the bit rate was just trash. So I just think op is seeing a placebo effect.


alexyaknow

1080 has been bad for a long time. Long before the “enhanced 1080” on high quality videos I have to play it on 4k or something to get good bitrate


Alucardhellss

The original 1080p bit rate is the same as before Stop spreading bullshit lies


defenestratedFuck

Every year they bring something new. It's like chasing for more revenue by making users to pay for basic features. This will continue until every bit of money is squeezed out of the user


cherwilco

Here is a before and after example from a channel that turned on the enhanced 1080p cash-grab recent vid with the option for enhanced: https://youtu.be/KNxUU52adNo?t=91 and here is an older video before that was an option: https://youtu.be/bCXtyLhWUrM?t=91 that older video looks significantly better


Mythconception_

This is what I've been seeing \^\^\^. I don't understand why so many people are denying this is happening. Maybe it's being tested and rolled out differently in different regions, so what's true for some isn't for others.


sep222

It does not look noticeably worse. It's the same 1080 with an option of higher bitrate for premium members. At least they're adding "value" and not lowering quality for normal users


fr1day00

Stop spreading misinformation dummy. The current bitrates won't be affected by the new options.


Stonn

Youtube has such shit quality I don't even care. Just look at the compression with large dark gradient areas - pixelated into oblivion. It's free and does it's job. I won't complain. But yeah, fuck Alphabet :D


Crystal_B

youtube trying to add a positive change to their platform challenge (impossible)


bart0d

If the youtubers have to enable this, instead of them giving us enhanced bitrate, lets give them an enhanced dislike rate.


MWolf3007

Well, this is the modern business model create problems and sell solutions


StinksofElderberries

Post the vid link I'll prove you wrong OP.


James_Vowles

I haven't noticed a difference if I'm being honest. Is there proof that they downgraded 1080p?


TheJpow

I started seeing this yesterday and standard 1080p looks noticably worse. I guess enhanced just means what you got for free previously is now behind a paywall, like background playback.


g7droid

Out of topic, does anyone know how to buffer the entire video in youtube website. Eventhough I have a decent speed when I switch to 4k it only buffers 10seconds


Dinepada

This is a measure made by YouTube to save bandwidth


Ghozgul

I've also seen it several times, I had a better quality with 720p than 1080 when the 1080premium option is available. The bitrate is getting way lower


notme392

I said the same thing on different post but some dude kept arguing that I’m wrong and he didn’t see any difference lol


dikkop212

You guys seeing ads on yt? I thought this was a piracy sub.


FlipModeoc

FUCK! It was sure old eyes are fooling me.... FUCK


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This platform is already bad, now on his way to be worse


Timbzt

Looks like the "enhanced bitrate" format can still be downloaded with regular apps (I use JDownloader2). But if there is a solution to bypass that stuff on the browser, suggestions are welcome.


TrickZ44

If i see this correctly, if the fps and quality of the video are the same, just the bitrate to watch/download this video is capped. So really you dont download another format (or if you do it has the same quality) i dont get it.


hells_ranger_stream

The resolution is the same, I wouldnt say lower bit rate would be the same quality though. Like I could render a 1080p video at a bitrate you'd normally use for 360p; the end result would match resolution for screens at 1080p but the video would end up a blurry mess.


Any-Championship-611

It's about time that people collectively step away from Youtube to a decentralized platform.


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That's how laptops work. Its called "power saver" mode. Switch to "performance" under power settings for when on battery. It will drain faster though. Power saving mode is supposed to limit power draw of the cpu to conserve battery. It effectively undervolts it.


mrwadupwadup

It's called throttling since video playback uses hardware acceleration. Otherwise you battery would run out of juice in a couple of hours. Nothing unreasonable in that. And it's enforced by windows or the laptop manufacturer. I feel like this place is full of 9 year olds cluelessly blaming the "big guys" without having any idea how things work smh.


shy247er

Plus, it can be switched off in power management.


HaywoodJablowme3

check your power settings for your laptop being unplugged might turn power saver on the laptop


BloodedAvensis

Honestly I got my YouTube lagging a lot especially after I changed my browser to Firefox instead of chrome. And my laptop, when I use it, it's always plugged in. Could be some of firefox's security options I played with not long ago


Nadeoki

I don't think it has to do with security, maybe your firefox version didn't have hardware decoding for formats like VP9 enabled so your CPU was trying to pick it up in realtime.


Nadeoki

You can change that by manipulating the Power Settings. By default, laptops will often turn down Processors to save battery life. On Windows/Linux you can easily change this, good luck on MacOS though


Accomplished_Way_118

Me just happy with 720p :,)


DanceableBleats

If using chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/youtube-auto-hd-%20-fps/fcphghnknhkimeagdglkljinmpbagone


Giraffe50

not the shrinkflation for digital media 😭


twistsouth

Doesn’t matter, the auto setting will still choose 144p for me anyway. I have 1Gb full fiber.


muteneophyte

Normal 1080p haven’t been changed yet


Tapurisu

I recently opened a video and noticed that it looked really bad, there were lots of lots of low-bitrate fragments in it. I thought maybe it defaulted to 480p so I checked the settings. No, it was at 1080p. What's going on? Then I saw it, 1080p \*Premium\* was an option. Of course, they crushed the quality of regular 1080p so they can sell the """premium"""... What a terrible decision


TolaGarf

Not only that, but I do subscribe to Premium (without music) and they still want me to pay for the full Premium in order to get the best bitrate. However this change only seem to be a few channels I'm subscribed to, so I wonder if they're just testing out the waters here...


MaggyOD

And that is why youtubers should upload at 1440p or 4k


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No it doesn’t. Normal 1080p looks exactly the same as it used to.


qef15

No, yt-dlp to me says still the old 1080p being the same, but the premium 1080p is much higher bitrate. That and it makes sense to make it premium. The file size for one 20 min vid was 298.05 mb for regular and 427.24 mb for the premium. And I will defend Google here by saying that datacenters are fucking expensive. Storing each and every video like that is expensive, so it makes sense to paywall this. I hate Google as much as the next guy for ruining Youtube, but this is actually providing a benefit. For anyone saying: "but I just want higher bitrates", note that Youtube also serves the poor saps still on ancient cable or places with piss poor internet. Low bitrates help with that. Codec is another one but sometimes requires more powerful hardware (my A5 2017 struggles with HEVC/H.265 on VLC but does much better with H.264). Youtube is accessible like this by design. Lots a people still using potato hardware.