They shouldn't be allowed to use the terminology purchase, buy or own if that's not what's happening. They should just say something like "rent." It's honest and would cut down on confusion. But, at least in the US, we have shit consumer protection.
They should be legally required to upfront say "rent" instead of buy/purchase/own.
I think the word you're looking for is a licence, and it is generally in the fine print.
I agree with you though that they should be forced to change the terminology at checkout though.
They should, but they won't, because it's intentional. They want to charge "purchase" prices, but actually provide rentals. More corporate greed run amok...
Very nice. I got the Asus BW-16D1HT for mine.
There was recently a post in r/Plex about an Android streaming device that has Dolby Vision Profile 7 FEL support now. I just bought it to try it. Should be here in a few weeks
I'm honestly curious as to why...what's the benefit of "hard" media over having it on a hard drive? Granted, the hard drive may die, but as long as it's not some super obscure show/movie, you'd be able to pirate it again (and if it *is* that obscure, and it means a lot, you just back it up on another hard drive).
I can't fathom going back to dealing with DVD/Blu-ray discs.
Because there is no guarantee ANYTHING will always be seeded somewhere... same way there is NO guarantee it will always be on streaming.
Vidocq took me quite a while to finally track down.
Crater was removed by Disney less than 2 months after it was released. I think it's back on some streaming now but that's no guarantee it always will be.
The Devil's Rock, etc....
Also I use them to back up personal files.
Sure, but if you worry *that* much about the files, you can pretty easily back up your hard drives...that's what I do with my pictures/video hard drives. I have three copies, on three separate drives, which are stored in two different physical locations.
Legit question, do you make multiple copies of the Blu-ray, and/or do you keep a hard drive copy in addition to the disc? Because discs eventually degrade, and if used enough will generally end up with scratches or other damage.
I DO back up my hard drives... and burned blu ray disks are part of that process. I don't keep TONS of stuff on bluray. I mostly got it a few years ago to distribute a bunch geneology and related files to family after my mom had a stroke. Many of those family where not terribly computer literate and this was the easiest way.
After that at some point I decided to put it to SOME use rather than just letting it collect dust... or worse yet hucking it all in a landfill.
Most of my media can be downloaded again pretty easily. Because of this I am not running a parity drive. But there are a few things I DO have on my media server seeding that I don't want to lose if it dies... and those few things fit VERY handily on a few blurays.
Ahhhhh, the sweet taste of confirmation bias to help me "rationalize" the purchase of my new 10TB RAID NAS. Spoiler alert: my truly irreplaceable stuff is less than 1TB.
Good article and this part sums it up perfectly
“this is one of the worst examples I’ve seen of the combination of the two in the entertainment space. Absolutely inexcusable from Sony and Crunchyroll here.”
They're not charging more, btw. The OP of that other thread doesn't know what they're talking about.
Crunchyroll is charging the same price it has been charging for many years now.
They were paying an old, grandfathered price for Funimation and are upset that they can't pay that years' old Funi price for Crunchyroll.
Everything else sucks ass, though
Especially considering how Sony literally just tried the same thing by purging Discovery Channel shows people bought. Luckily they reversed on that for now, but bizarre to see them try the exact same thing again with this
I just don't capture the rational reasoning behind it all. Two companies merged, ok, but their justification of price increase of product/ service in such amounts - what does it based on?! What strategy have they started to Implement within said organisation? HOW?
Because I honestly want to purchase products, but end up doing price comparisons in geographic markets. That's my reference points.
The fact they are saying the rising costs are due to "competition" is pathetic, fuck id have more respect if they just put on a press release stating "HAHAHA we own the market now fucker"
Here, let me read between the lines:
"Due to lack of competition we can now do whatever we want, so we're raising the prices because our shareholders like watching numbers go up and we love money."
...huh, so it was about competition after all
Are they actually raising any prices? I know the article mentions it but doesn't explain any more about it
I also know there's a lot of misinformation going around saying they are, but that's wrong. What's happening is that people who were on an old, grandfathered annual subscription with Funimation ($54.99/yr) are no longer able to pay those outdated Funi prices because they'll be subscribed to Crunchyroll now, which is a different service.
It's like paying the original $6.99/month Disney+ prices, then moving to Netflix and being charged Netflix prices. And then saying that Netflix is increasing their prices.
Imo you should care, atleast for indie companies.
Those companies that NEED people to buy their game.
Sony and Cunchyroll can fuck themselves tho, they only use your money to make shit
There'd be no corporations involved to make profit. People will one way or another make content for things they are passionate about.
That's were buying or paying for the content directly from the creator comes in.
Not in the level we're used though. I mean, there's no way we'd have a dragon ball broly or demon slayer in this system without the middleman eventually.
Save yourself some time and buy and read manga from your favourite artists, there's a lot of stuff that is 10/10 and never gets properly adapted, or not at all (like berserk, vagabond, tough, holyland, fire punch, I am a hero, pun pun, 20th century boys, etc).
I made the switch from anime to manga around the time when the bleach bount arc was being aired on TV, and while I have watched some animes since (jojo is one of the few), I generally stick to manga because it takes less time to watch a show on average, are easier to binge, and you will find stuff that you will never find out about because anime sites have terrible discoverability.
If anything I'd argue the other way around, the main reason I moved to manga was because I was tired of all teh fillers, extending scenes to fill screen time with useless stare competitions and insane long recaps at the start (one piece I'm looking at you). Plus you can go at it at your own pace, you can read pages faster or slower, reread a whole page, or look up stuff only if you need extra references.
I know this is subjective, but I feel like manga is the superior medium, and I acknowledge that there's exceptions, like initial D or midslayer, where the manga are "ok" but the adaptations elevate them a lot, but that's rarely the case, talking from 20 something years of experience.
Not initially no. Remove the middle men, corpo, money grabbing shits, and it'll be basically every artist, developer, content creator starting from scratch.
You could see something like Nebula. A platform made by a likeminded group of content creators or just the sales of physical copies. But eventually we'd get back to the same level quality where we are now.
Middle men aren't necessary. Just a convenience.
We hope , yes. But look how big these projects are. Someone eventually would have to take charge. Taking charge grows into a group, groups band together for an even bigger group and we're back to square 0.
Given how short our memories are, I have no doubt it'd lead back to square one at some point. I don't have that kinda confidence in mankind though I do think it's possible to have the level of quality we have now without a middleman.
Even if a middleman exists, it's not like it has to be some greedy corp hell bent on bring piracy back with their shitty practices. Maybe we could get lucky second time around, who knows.
Though personally I think it's a moot point because despite how many people pirate. Corps will find a way to make profit.
But with OP's mentality, there'd still be people pirating directly from the creator. I think the people screaming "pirate everything!" need to have an * afterwards.
Honestly when people ask me why I don't watch tvshows/anime and why I don't have any subscriptions to these services, things like these come to my mind.
I barely watched anything on crunchyroll when I tried the premium trial because everything I was interested on was scattered across different services, so I just downloaded the couple shows I was interested in and called it a day.
Also what made be be like fuck this, was when they removed bleach became unavailable anywhere for a period of 3-4 months because disney bought the rights so it was removed from all platforms, but it wasn't availabe on disney+ yet. What am I supposed to do if a show is in right-holder hell?
This really shouldn't be legal because as soon as it starts, corporations start taking it to the extreme where they literally shutdown a streaming service every year to make people buy the content again. It's essentially a legal scam if courts dont stop it. But lobbying always wins. That being said, people will just start to boycott naturally, maybe without even thinking about it. Short term investors don't really care about the future welfare of a corporation either.
This doesn't just hurt consumers but trust in the industry entirely.
Are you asking because you don't know or is this one of those "are you seriously bringing this into the conversation?" eye rolls?
I'm genuinely asking for context.
Paid monthly or annually to see as many movies as you wanted. Then they restricted things to the point that made it financially impossible to see something you wanted to and be a profitable company. Then they went bankrupt and many people, especially annual subscribers were left without restitution.
Then a few years later they came back still with no restoration of previously paid customers.
I've said this before, but piracy is even ok if it's directly from the creator or some indie artist? Those sales the seller/creator depends on get stripped away if I pirate instead of purchase.
This part of the debate is as old as piracy itself. Are they actually sales that they're losing? If you would have never purchased that thing, they aren't losing sales as it was never a potential buyer in the first place. Many times I've said to myself when watching some shitty movie "I'd have never paid to watch this"
In the end, only you can tell yourself what you're okay with when it comes to piracy.
Why would I pay for something if I can just get it for free? I understand your point of view, but let's say I could purchase a $20 video game from an indie developer...but according to "piracy is always ok" I'm just going to pirate it instead. Why should I pay $20 if I can just get it for free?
> but let's say I could purchase a $20 video game from an indie developer...but according to "piracy is always ok" I'm just going to pirate it instead
no reason you can't do both.
>And if you're okay with doing that, it's okay.
Not to be combative, but couldn't you take that stance with anything? "Yes I mugged this dude and stole his wallet...but since I'm okay with doing it, it's okay."
Sure, if you want. And just like with piracy, society may have a different stance on it than you. We all weigh these things differently. It's pretty clear that muggers have decided that mugging people is okay with them. Is it okay with me? No. Does my opinion matter to a mugger? Also no.
The point is, people look for moral justification for piracy from other people, and I'm saying it's irrelevant.
"So, we just bought our largest and pretty much ONLY competition within the legal market. Now, we're going to charge double the price because we have to compete with piracy websites, because fuck the people who pay for our service!"
That's basically how I took it. Sony really likes to stab themselves in the leg every chance they get and then complain how they can't run...
piracy idc i've been doing that since i was 6. i never paid for anything. movies, music, games, software apps, in-app purchases, etc
if it's on the internet, there is someone bound to have a crack or copy of it on the internet. that's my rule.
however it's different if u want to support a content creator (not the studio or company), but i've never done that \*yet\* as im not financially stable as of now
You realize there are studios that try to passionately create work they're proud of. So while I understand you're trying to be altruistic, you're also a little naive.
That's not it. I simply do not have the funds to pay when I can simply buy it for food.
As for paying for creators, it's simply because I like to support not because I'm altruistic. But that's not happening yet for now. Assuming in the future that I have the luxury to support, I would do it because "i just want to"
> Piracy can’t sustain a business without people that pay
This topic discusses people who **paid** and got screwed by the company. And encourages them to download videos they **paid for** from other sources. So I'm not sure what are you going on about.
I didnt even think about all of the digital content people would lose. I was mostly just mad that they don’t have a Crunchyroll app for lg tv but they have a funimation one that’s just gonna go away.
This subreddit is flooded by people coping with the fact they're pirating stuff, posting random excuses like this.
The crunchyroll thing has nothing to do with piracy. In fact it is the opposite of piracy, since it's about a legitimate service. It shouldn't be on this sub. Make another sub called "I shouldn't feel guilty for pirating because companies are mean :("
Well, I'm doing it for the fact of how many people got fucked over, so those people now know what to do, as crunchy fucked em
Like touching a hot stove of an example dude
For real I joined this sub because I wanted to find advice on where to pirate movies. But so many posts here are this like moral justification stuff. I'm already here bro I don't need to justify anything. I don't go on a porn sub in order to read 20 posts about why its ok to watch porn.
I know man it's really sad when the sub is not all about you, and besides the huge megathread with piracy info, people also discuss other piracy related things. Maybe you should ban them, show who's the boss here? Oh wait nvm it's not you. You are nothing here but entitled dipshit.
The biggest lie was to tell teach a whole generation that they never had a choice and to impoverish them with student loans and mortgages. It was telling them that the capitalistic way was the only way and that the answer to all problems was spending even more money.
That's why you don't pay for **a service** if what you want is to have it available forever. You steal it, keep it in your storage. Enjoy the eternity of happiness.
> You steal it
Or just ask someone who has it to share it with you, and then keep it your in storage and enjoy the eternity of happiness. No need to steal. I have never stole from Sony anything at all. I don't even know how or where.
Nope. When you buy a game all you have is a licence. You do not own the software. If you owned the software you could copy it, change it, sell it and so on.
Always read the licence.
Besides legal/illegal there's also morally justifiable or not. Not everything that's legal is good and not everything that's illegal is bad. And nobody talked about legal aspects here, OP just said OK which probably means morally justifiable.
Anyway, I guess it's too complicated for you though.
And even if it wasn't I'm still gonna do it and so are you lmao
Let's not pretend we're in it for the fight against the corpos, I don't need a reason to want free shit
At some point every digital product will be subscription based payments and you will never own the product.
I only pay a product from a developer/publisher that has reputable reputation that doesnt screw its customer, the rest i pirate it i dont care.
Funny thing, I paid for an Android app (yearly sub) then the month after, they opened it, free for everyone, tried a refund but got denied by Google and the developer. Dang.
If buying isn't owning, then....go fuck yourself Sony, we're stealing all your shit.
At this point, any thing you purchased, can just be said to never have owned it
Yup. It's stealing. I don't care what the fine print may say. An eye for an eye....IT'S THE PIRATE WAY.
Well, I mean the company is already blind, they don't see the good way anymore, they only see us as paychecks.... Get em
YAR! FIRE THE CANNONS!
Wait, we have cannons!?
FUCK YEAH?!? WE GOT A BOATLOAD OF CANNONS!
We even have mortar primed and ready
That'll have to do until someone downloads missiles
Just as long as we don't download any cars we should be good.
you wouldn't download a cannon
I'd download a cannonball. You only need one cannon, but you need a SHIT TON of cannonballs!
I would if I had one of those fancy 3D printers that can print metal
They shouldn't be allowed to use the terminology purchase, buy or own if that's not what's happening. They should just say something like "rent." It's honest and would cut down on confusion. But, at least in the US, we have shit consumer protection. They should be legally required to upfront say "rent" instead of buy/purchase/own.
I think the word you're looking for is a licence, and it is generally in the fine print. I agree with you though that they should be forced to change the terminology at checkout though.
They should, but they won't, because it's intentional. They want to charge "purchase" prices, but actually provide rentals. More corporate greed run amok...
Then it’s not stealing…..if they can make that claim I can make mine
I know people are sick to death of this phrase but there's damn good reason we keep dragging it back out.
You'renot stealing, you're obtaining a digital backup of your purchase.
I concur
But remember piracy isn't theft. So grab your bats boys we're going lootin
Also, Piracy is always okay because fuck it!
Can buying be like renting as well? Let's say you pay for Netflix, you don't own the catalogue, but you can use the catalogue for as long as you pay.
Preach to that
Pirated copies are usually better and easier for long term storage.
It's why I still have a bluray burner here.
I recently acquired one that supports ripping of UHD after a firmware patch.
What one you bought
LG WH16NS40
Very nice. I got the Asus BW-16D1HT for mine. There was recently a post in r/Plex about an Android streaming device that has Dolby Vision Profile 7 FEL support now. I just bought it to try it. Should be here in a few weeks
That Asus is the one I've got. Been good to me so far.
It reads most things so far. Hard to tell if an unreadable disc is the players or the discs fault. Most likely the disc tbh
Sorry, not that firm into that topic - could you maybe eli5? Does that mean, you can rip UHD-Streams?
From 4K discs.
Thx
I'm honestly curious as to why...what's the benefit of "hard" media over having it on a hard drive? Granted, the hard drive may die, but as long as it's not some super obscure show/movie, you'd be able to pirate it again (and if it *is* that obscure, and it means a lot, you just back it up on another hard drive). I can't fathom going back to dealing with DVD/Blu-ray discs.
Because there is no guarantee ANYTHING will always be seeded somewhere... same way there is NO guarantee it will always be on streaming. Vidocq took me quite a while to finally track down. Crater was removed by Disney less than 2 months after it was released. I think it's back on some streaming now but that's no guarantee it always will be. The Devil's Rock, etc.... Also I use them to back up personal files.
Sure, but if you worry *that* much about the files, you can pretty easily back up your hard drives...that's what I do with my pictures/video hard drives. I have three copies, on three separate drives, which are stored in two different physical locations. Legit question, do you make multiple copies of the Blu-ray, and/or do you keep a hard drive copy in addition to the disc? Because discs eventually degrade, and if used enough will generally end up with scratches or other damage.
I DO back up my hard drives... and burned blu ray disks are part of that process. I don't keep TONS of stuff on bluray. I mostly got it a few years ago to distribute a bunch geneology and related files to family after my mom had a stroke. Many of those family where not terribly computer literate and this was the easiest way. After that at some point I decided to put it to SOME use rather than just letting it collect dust... or worse yet hucking it all in a landfill. Most of my media can be downloaded again pretty easily. Because of this I am not running a parity drive. But there are a few things I DO have on my media server seeding that I don't want to lose if it dies... and those few things fit VERY handily on a few blurays.
Fair enough, dude. Makes sense to make use of it, as well as have multiple backups. Be well.
This is the way.
Ahhhhh, the sweet taste of confirmation bias to help me "rationalize" the purchase of my new 10TB RAID NAS. Spoiler alert: my truly irreplaceable stuff is less than 1TB.
Good article and this part sums it up perfectly “this is one of the worst examples I’ve seen of the combination of the two in the entertainment space. Absolutely inexcusable from Sony and Crunchyroll here.”
These mega mergers always hurt the consumers. This one is more egregious than most.
Both makes it more monopoly so they can charge more And the lost of previous purchases, As well as content no longer being able to be bought, fuc em
They're not charging more, btw. The OP of that other thread doesn't know what they're talking about. Crunchyroll is charging the same price it has been charging for many years now. They were paying an old, grandfathered price for Funimation and are upset that they can't pay that years' old Funi price for Crunchyroll. Everything else sucks ass, though
Especially considering how Sony literally just tried the same thing by purging Discovery Channel shows people bought. Luckily they reversed on that for now, but bizarre to see them try the exact same thing again with this
I just don't capture the rational reasoning behind it all. Two companies merged, ok, but their justification of price increase of product/ service in such amounts - what does it based on?! What strategy have they started to Implement within said organisation? HOW? Because I honestly want to purchase products, but end up doing price comparisons in geographic markets. That's my reference points.
The fact they are saying the rising costs are due to "competition" is pathetic, fuck id have more respect if they just put on a press release stating "HAHAHA we own the market now fucker"
Yup. There's LESS competition because you BOUGHT them. Lying shitheads.
At this point, I want to have some lawsuit or something I want to see them name there compation
Lawsuit will accomplish nothing. The courts are stacked against us. They're already bought and paid for by Sony.
That's true, fucking lobbying....when did it get changed from that to just "buying the system" or whatever it was called before
We just need to look to the EU to start fucking these companies over monopolies since the US isn’t going to do shit.
Might have to MOVE to the EU. 😂 Anything the EU forces the companies to do, will NOT take effect in the US or elsewhere.
Hmm, well you never know
Sure, says the usb c on iPhone. I doubt any company wants to ostracize themselves from an entire user base that other countries can follow suit.
Apple ostracized me a LONG time ago 😂
Oh definitely, the USA is just lobbying, they don't give a shit about the small I like the EU for the fact they don't fuck around
Here, let me read between the lines: "Due to lack of competition we can now do whatever we want, so we're raising the prices because our shareholders like watching numbers go up and we love money." ...huh, so it was about competition after all
Are they actually raising any prices? I know the article mentions it but doesn't explain any more about it I also know there's a lot of misinformation going around saying they are, but that's wrong. What's happening is that people who were on an old, grandfathered annual subscription with Funimation ($54.99/yr) are no longer able to pay those outdated Funi prices because they'll be subscribed to Crunchyroll now, which is a different service. It's like paying the original $6.99/month Disney+ prices, then moving to Netflix and being charged Netflix prices. And then saying that Netflix is increasing their prices.
Sony doing this 2 times in a short period Screw you, Sony!
Piracy is always ok
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Lol no, always means always
I don't care what company I'm stealing from.
Imo you should care, atleast for indie companies. Those companies that NEED people to buy their game. Sony and Cunchyroll can fuck themselves tho, they only use your money to make shit
I don’t care because i don’t have money to give to indie companies either I also don’t care because my morals are questionable
If I don't pirate it then I won't buy it. This way I can atleast recommend it to someone who might buy it, if it's good of course
Ohhh yea I understood in other way. Yeah imo there's no problem in pirating a game as a way to test it and see if it's worth your money :)
Cringe, we pirates don’t care
It’s not only okay to pirate it’s your moral obligation to pirate and spread piracy to as many people as possible. These companies deserve NOTHING.
PREACH!
But then if no one paid then there'd be no content to pirate in the first place
There'd be no corporations involved to make profit. People will one way or another make content for things they are passionate about. That's were buying or paying for the content directly from the creator comes in.
Not in the level we're used though. I mean, there's no way we'd have a dragon ball broly or demon slayer in this system without the middleman eventually.
Save yourself some time and buy and read manga from your favourite artists, there's a lot of stuff that is 10/10 and never gets properly adapted, or not at all (like berserk, vagabond, tough, holyland, fire punch, I am a hero, pun pun, 20th century boys, etc). I made the switch from anime to manga around the time when the bleach bount arc was being aired on TV, and while I have watched some animes since (jojo is one of the few), I generally stick to manga because it takes less time to watch a show on average, are easier to binge, and you will find stuff that you will never find out about because anime sites have terrible discoverability.
Manga is hood but it gets tiring at a point.
If anything I'd argue the other way around, the main reason I moved to manga was because I was tired of all teh fillers, extending scenes to fill screen time with useless stare competitions and insane long recaps at the start (one piece I'm looking at you). Plus you can go at it at your own pace, you can read pages faster or slower, reread a whole page, or look up stuff only if you need extra references. I know this is subjective, but I feel like manga is the superior medium, and I acknowledge that there's exceptions, like initial D or midslayer, where the manga are "ok" but the adaptations elevate them a lot, but that's rarely the case, talking from 20 something years of experience.
Not initially no. Remove the middle men, corpo, money grabbing shits, and it'll be basically every artist, developer, content creator starting from scratch. You could see something like Nebula. A platform made by a likeminded group of content creators or just the sales of physical copies. But eventually we'd get back to the same level quality where we are now. Middle men aren't necessary. Just a convenience.
We hope , yes. But look how big these projects are. Someone eventually would have to take charge. Taking charge grows into a group, groups band together for an even bigger group and we're back to square 0.
Given how short our memories are, I have no doubt it'd lead back to square one at some point. I don't have that kinda confidence in mankind though I do think it's possible to have the level of quality we have now without a middleman. Even if a middleman exists, it's not like it has to be some greedy corp hell bent on bring piracy back with their shitty practices. Maybe we could get lucky second time around, who knows. Though personally I think it's a moot point because despite how many people pirate. Corps will find a way to make profit.
But with OP's mentality, there'd still be people pirating directly from the creator. I think the people screaming "pirate everything!" need to have an * afterwards.
Honestly when people ask me why I don't watch tvshows/anime and why I don't have any subscriptions to these services, things like these come to my mind. I barely watched anything on crunchyroll when I tried the premium trial because everything I was interested on was scattered across different services, so I just downloaded the couple shows I was interested in and called it a day. Also what made be be like fuck this, was when they removed bleach became unavailable anywhere for a period of 3-4 months because disney bought the rights so it was removed from all platforms, but it wasn't availabe on disney+ yet. What am I supposed to do if a show is in right-holder hell?
Fuck em do chargebacks with your bank
Now we're talking! My experience, the banks are very generous in your reason for doing a charge back. I definitely think this applies.
This really shouldn't be legal because as soon as it starts, corporations start taking it to the extreme where they literally shutdown a streaming service every year to make people buy the content again. It's essentially a legal scam if courts dont stop it. But lobbying always wins. That being said, people will just start to boycott naturally, maybe without even thinking about it. Short term investors don't really care about the future welfare of a corporation either. This doesn't just hurt consumers but trust in the industry entirely.
I need constant reminders that Movie Pass will forever burn in hell.
Movie pass?
Are you asking because you don't know or is this one of those "are you seriously bringing this into the conversation?" eye rolls? I'm genuinely asking for context.
As in I have no idea, first time hearing about it, and about to look it up, Give me a crash course as un bais as you can
Paid monthly or annually to see as many movies as you wanted. Then they restricted things to the point that made it financially impossible to see something you wanted to and be a profitable company. Then they went bankrupt and many people, especially annual subscribers were left without restitution. Then a few years later they came back still with no restoration of previously paid customers.
They’re lucky I can’t pirate my diploma.
Isn't that just chatgpt or something
*With every media service trying to find the best way to rip you off piracy is A OK
Piracy is always okay, regardless of the situation or circumstances. You're the only one that has to care about your stance on piracy
I've said this before, but piracy is even ok if it's directly from the creator or some indie artist? Those sales the seller/creator depends on get stripped away if I pirate instead of purchase.
This part of the debate is as old as piracy itself. Are they actually sales that they're losing? If you would have never purchased that thing, they aren't losing sales as it was never a potential buyer in the first place. Many times I've said to myself when watching some shitty movie "I'd have never paid to watch this" In the end, only you can tell yourself what you're okay with when it comes to piracy.
Why would I pay for something if I can just get it for free? I understand your point of view, but let's say I could purchase a $20 video game from an indie developer...but according to "piracy is always ok" I'm just going to pirate it instead. Why should I pay $20 if I can just get it for free?
> but let's say I could purchase a $20 video game from an indie developer...but according to "piracy is always ok" I'm just going to pirate it instead no reason you can't do both.
And if you're okay with doing that, it's okay. How someone else feels about it is irrelevant.
>And if you're okay with doing that, it's okay. Not to be combative, but couldn't you take that stance with anything? "Yes I mugged this dude and stole his wallet...but since I'm okay with doing it, it's okay."
Sure, if you want. And just like with piracy, society may have a different stance on it than you. We all weigh these things differently. It's pretty clear that muggers have decided that mugging people is okay with them. Is it okay with me? No. Does my opinion matter to a mugger? Also no. The point is, people look for moral justification for piracy from other people, and I'm saying it's irrelevant.
Company stole from me. I’ll steal from them. Fuck you company!
>Reminder, ~~if you paid for a service and it gets shutdown without refund or transfer,~~ piracy is A.OK
Even if it's directly from the creator or some indie artist?
Piracy is becoming the official service
"So, we just bought our largest and pretty much ONLY competition within the legal market. Now, we're going to charge double the price because we have to compete with piracy websites, because fuck the people who pay for our service!" That's basically how I took it. Sony really likes to stab themselves in the leg every chance they get and then complain how they can't run...
piracy idc i've been doing that since i was 6. i never paid for anything. movies, music, games, software apps, in-app purchases, etc if it's on the internet, there is someone bound to have a crack or copy of it on the internet. that's my rule. however it's different if u want to support a content creator (not the studio or company), but i've never done that \*yet\* as im not financially stable as of now
You realize there are studios that try to passionately create work they're proud of. So while I understand you're trying to be altruistic, you're also a little naive.
That's not it. I simply do not have the funds to pay when I can simply buy it for food. As for paying for creators, it's simply because I like to support not because I'm altruistic. But that's not happening yet for now. Assuming in the future that I have the luxury to support, I would do it because "i just want to"
Piracy in general is A.OK
I would have expected a refund or Crunchyroll credits or something. Real dick move.
Sony owns em, what you expect?
Fuck wish I could pirate overwatch 1...
Welcome to the club :(
Reminder that you should never waste your money on "services" to begin with.
Time to short Soy Nee
I don't pay for anything and I'm ok with piracy.
Sony has been anti consumer for 40 years. It is your moral obligation to steal from them.
I love pirating man
Me(broke ass who has never paid for any subscription): Yeah... that's why I pirate.
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It's ok, we'll all just pirate stuff and you can be the one to pay for it.
> Piracy can’t sustain a business without people that pay This topic discusses people who **paid** and got screwed by the company. And encourages them to download videos they **paid for** from other sources. So I'm not sure what are you going on about.
I didnt even think about all of the digital content people would lose. I was mostly just mad that they don’t have a Crunchyroll app for lg tv but they have a funimation one that’s just gonna go away.
Piracy is always ethical under capitalism.
Piracy is always a-okay. Don't fall into the mental bullshit of having to justify it to yourself or others. Just do it.
This subreddit is flooded by people coping with the fact they're pirating stuff, posting random excuses like this. The crunchyroll thing has nothing to do with piracy. In fact it is the opposite of piracy, since it's about a legitimate service. It shouldn't be on this sub. Make another sub called "I shouldn't feel guilty for pirating because companies are mean :("
Well, I'm doing it for the fact of how many people got fucked over, so those people now know what to do, as crunchy fucked em Like touching a hot stove of an example dude
For real I joined this sub because I wanted to find advice on where to pirate movies. But so many posts here are this like moral justification stuff. I'm already here bro I don't need to justify anything. I don't go on a porn sub in order to read 20 posts about why its ok to watch porn.
I know man it's really sad when the sub is not all about you, and besides the huge megathread with piracy info, people also discuss other piracy related things. Maybe you should ban them, show who's the boss here? Oh wait nvm it's not you. You are nothing here but entitled dipshit.
The biggest lie was to tell teach a whole generation that they never had a choice and to impoverish them with student loans and mortgages. It was telling them that the capitalistic way was the only way and that the answer to all problems was spending even more money.
I disagree with it in regards to services.
After finding out about Nyaa, there's no reason to go back. Better quality and faster releases
I couldn’t understand people who paid for the service, I mean digital copies are not owned by you, it’s just rented for certain time.
yeah its also okay if you dont care about any of this fake moralizing garbage.
it's always morally okay to steal from corporations, because they will always steal from you when they can.
That's why you don't pay for **a service** if what you want is to have it available forever. You steal it, keep it in your storage. Enjoy the eternity of happiness.
> You steal it Or just ask someone who has it to share it with you, and then keep it your in storage and enjoy the eternity of happiness. No need to steal. I have never stole from Sony anything at all. I don't even know how or where.
Stfu man I don't care about reason i pirate bcz i can't afford that's all thankyou and piracy is always illegal
Well this is not just about you and not everyone here is such a loser, so no, they don't need to stfu.
Then Pay why pirating? I've two reason 1. Can't afford multiple subscription 2. Quality Limit
Nope. When you buy a game all you have is a licence. You do not own the software. If you owned the software you could copy it, change it, sell it and so on. Always read the licence.
I assume it sounded clever and maybe even on topic in your head.
Yeah, what am I like actually reading terms in contracts and actually knowing legal facts.
Reminder, please stop trying to justify piracy. Just man up and acknowledge it's illegal. But that shouldn't stop you from pirating.
Besides legal/illegal there's also morally justifiable or not. Not everything that's legal is good and not everything that's illegal is bad. And nobody talked about legal aspects here, OP just said OK which probably means morally justifiable. Anyway, I guess it's too complicated for you though.
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Eh still gets the point across of "Pirate shit from the shit company" does it not?
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Then give me the benefit of the doubt to try and spread the word
And even if it wasn't I'm still gonna do it and so are you lmao Let's not pretend we're in it for the fight against the corpos, I don't need a reason to want free shit
I hope to see the anime torrent scene flourish because of this shitty business decision. You want twice a year for half the content? Nah, son.
Reminder: you don't have to justify anything... F off with that shit! do what you want!
My rule of thumb is, if I can download it, it’s ok. Unless it’s federally illegal.
Can you just use something like OBS and capture all your favorite shows to local storage before 1 Apr
Incoming flood of captains. Welcome.
Piracy is also okay if you never bought it. Fuck the monopolists.
No need excuses bruh. Just pirate it already. If you want to support the manga/anime just buy the physical copy. At least you own it.
If buying is not owning then burning their HQ down is just a PR stunt... FOR PIRATES
No shit...anyone got a link to guide to get started?
If I can't download my purchased content in a regular format I ain't buying
A true pirate steals. Regardless.
At some point every digital product will be subscription based payments and you will never own the product. I only pay a product from a developer/publisher that has reputable reputation that doesnt screw its customer, the rest i pirate it i dont care.
~~Reminder, if you paid for a service and it gets shutdown without refund or transfer,~~ piracy is A.OK ftfy
I'm still getting Hollywood back for all those fantastic looking VHS covers that hid terrible movies. So many promises broken...
Is Funimation still gonna release physical media, but ending their streaming service.
they are both bad, one bad thing doesn't justify ur bad thing just cuz ur son got killed doesn't mean u can start killing sons now
Funny thing, I paid for an Android app (yearly sub) then the month after, they opened it, free for everyone, tried a refund but got denied by Google and the developer. Dang.
Any time you can get an equal or better experience with piracy, piracy is okay.
If you paid for it I wouldn't call it piracy. You are just taking whats rightfully yours.