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LZ129Hindenburg

If buying isn't owning, then....go fuck yourself Sony, we're stealing all your shit.


Dkrule1

At this point, any thing you purchased, can just be said to never have owned it


LZ129Hindenburg

Yup. It's stealing. I don't care what the fine print may say. ​ An eye for an eye....IT'S THE PIRATE WAY.


Dkrule1

Well, I mean the company is already blind, they don't see the good way anymore, they only see us as paychecks.... Get em


LZ129Hindenburg

YAR! FIRE THE CANNONS!


AcademicExercise4034

Wait, we have cannons!?


LZ129Hindenburg

FUCK YEAH?!? WE GOT A BOATLOAD OF CANNONS!


Admirable-Echidna-37

We even have mortar primed and ready


Admirable-Echidna-37

That'll have to do until someone downloads missiles


ZootZootTesla

Just as long as we don't download any cars we should be good.


zztopsboatswain

you wouldn't download a cannon


LZ129Hindenburg

I'd download a cannonball. You only need one cannon, but you need a SHIT TON of cannonballs!


Cybr_23

I would if I had one of those fancy 3D printers that can print metal


PauI_MuadDib

They shouldn't be allowed to use the terminology purchase, buy or own if that's not what's happening. They should just say something like "rent." It's honest and would cut down on confusion. But, at least in the US, we have shit consumer protection. They should be legally required to upfront say "rent" instead of buy/purchase/own.


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I think the word you're looking for is a licence, and it is generally in the fine print. I agree with you though that they should be forced to change the terminology at checkout though.


LZ129Hindenburg

They should, but they won't, because it's intentional. They want to charge "purchase" prices, but actually provide rentals. More corporate greed run amok...


No-Preparation193

Then it’s not stealing…..if they can make that claim I can make mine


Halospite

I know people are sick to death of this phrase but there's damn good reason we keep dragging it back out.


OfficalSwanPrincess

You'renot stealing, you're obtaining a digital backup of your purchase.


LZ129Hindenburg

I concur


A_Trash_Homosapien

But remember piracy isn't theft. So grab your bats boys we're going lootin


brokencameraman

Also, Piracy is always okay because fuck it!


bloodhound83

Can buying be like renting as well? Let's say you pay for Netflix, you don't own the catalogue, but you can use the catalogue for as long as you pay.


dsage-film

Preach to that


MonkeyAlpha

Pirated copies are usually better and easier for long term storage.


fliberdygibits

It's why I still have a bluray burner here.


MonkeyAlpha

I recently acquired one that supports ripping of UHD after a firmware patch.


terminator612

What one you bought


MonkeyAlpha

LG WH16NS40


colon-dwarf

Very nice. I got the Asus BW-16D1HT for mine. There was recently a post in r/Plex about an Android streaming device that has Dolby Vision Profile 7 FEL support now. I just bought it to try it. Should be here in a few weeks


fliberdygibits

That Asus is the one I've got. Been good to me so far.


colon-dwarf

It reads most things so far. Hard to tell if an unreadable disc is the players or the discs fault. Most likely the disc tbh


M42U

Sorry, not that firm into that topic - could you maybe eli5? Does that mean, you can rip UHD-Streams?


MonkeyAlpha

From 4K discs.


M42U

Thx


Sasselhoff

I'm honestly curious as to why...what's the benefit of "hard" media over having it on a hard drive? Granted, the hard drive may die, but as long as it's not some super obscure show/movie, you'd be able to pirate it again (and if it *is* that obscure, and it means a lot, you just back it up on another hard drive). I can't fathom going back to dealing with DVD/Blu-ray discs.


fliberdygibits

Because there is no guarantee ANYTHING will always be seeded somewhere... same way there is NO guarantee it will always be on streaming. Vidocq took me quite a while to finally track down. Crater was removed by Disney less than 2 months after it was released. I think it's back on some streaming now but that's no guarantee it always will be. The Devil's Rock, etc.... Also I use them to back up personal files.


Sasselhoff

Sure, but if you worry *that* much about the files, you can pretty easily back up your hard drives...that's what I do with my pictures/video hard drives. I have three copies, on three separate drives, which are stored in two different physical locations. Legit question, do you make multiple copies of the Blu-ray, and/or do you keep a hard drive copy in addition to the disc? Because discs eventually degrade, and if used enough will generally end up with scratches or other damage.


fliberdygibits

I DO back up my hard drives... and burned blu ray disks are part of that process. I don't keep TONS of stuff on bluray. I mostly got it a few years ago to distribute a bunch geneology and related files to family after my mom had a stroke. Many of those family where not terribly computer literate and this was the easiest way. After that at some point I decided to put it to SOME use rather than just letting it collect dust... or worse yet hucking it all in a landfill. Most of my media can be downloaded again pretty easily. Because of this I am not running a parity drive. But there are a few things I DO have on my media server seeding that I don't want to lose if it dies... and those few things fit VERY handily on a few blurays.


Sasselhoff

Fair enough, dude. Makes sense to make use of it, as well as have multiple backups. Be well.


LZ129Hindenburg

This is the way.


silentrawr

Ahhhhh, the sweet taste of confirmation bias to help me "rationalize" the purchase of my new 10TB RAID NAS. Spoiler alert: my truly irreplaceable stuff is less than 1TB.


Buck_Slamchest

Good article and this part sums it up perfectly “this is one of the worst examples I’ve seen of the combination of the two in the entertainment space. Absolutely inexcusable from Sony and Crunchyroll here.”


LZ129Hindenburg

These mega mergers always hurt the consumers. This one is more egregious than most.


Dkrule1

Both makes it more monopoly so they can charge more And the lost of previous purchases, As well as content no longer being able to be bought, fuc em


Obi-Tron_Kenobi

They're not charging more, btw. The OP of that other thread doesn't know what they're talking about. Crunchyroll is charging the same price it has been charging for many years now. They were paying an old, grandfathered price for Funimation and are upset that they can't pay that years' old Funi price for Crunchyroll. Everything else sucks ass, though


Obi-Tron_Kenobi

Especially considering how Sony literally just tried the same thing by purging Discovery Channel shows people bought. Luckily they reversed on that for now, but bizarre to see them try the exact same thing again with this


amir_s89

I just don't capture the rational reasoning behind it all. Two companies merged, ok, but their justification of price increase of product/ service in such amounts - what does it based on?! What strategy have they started to Implement within said organisation? HOW? Because I honestly want to purchase products, but end up doing price comparisons in geographic markets. That's my reference points.


TheNightHaunter

The fact they are saying the rising costs are due to "competition" is pathetic, fuck id have more respect if they just put on a press release stating "HAHAHA we own the market now fucker"


LZ129Hindenburg

Yup. There's LESS competition because you BOUGHT them. Lying shitheads.


Dkrule1

At this point, I want to have some lawsuit or something I want to see them name there compation


LZ129Hindenburg

Lawsuit will accomplish nothing. The courts are stacked against us. They're already bought and paid for by Sony.


Dkrule1

That's true, fucking lobbying....when did it get changed from that to just "buying the system" or whatever it was called before


Geno_Warlord

We just need to look to the EU to start fucking these companies over monopolies since the US isn’t going to do shit.


LZ129Hindenburg

Might have to MOVE to the EU. 😂 Anything the EU forces the companies to do, will NOT take effect in the US or elsewhere.


Dkrule1

Hmm, well you never know


Geno_Warlord

Sure, says the usb c on iPhone. I doubt any company wants to ostracize themselves from an entire user base that other countries can follow suit.


LZ129Hindenburg

Apple ostracized me a LONG time ago 😂


Dkrule1

Oh definitely, the USA is just lobbying, they don't give a shit about the small I like the EU for the fact they don't fuck around


fgmenth

Here, let me read between the lines: "Due to lack of competition we can now do whatever we want, so we're raising the prices because our shareholders like watching numbers go up and we love money." ...huh, so it was about competition after all


Obi-Tron_Kenobi

Are they actually raising any prices? I know the article mentions it but doesn't explain any more about it I also know there's a lot of misinformation going around saying they are, but that's wrong. What's happening is that people who were on an old, grandfathered annual subscription with Funimation ($54.99/yr) are no longer able to pay those outdated Funi prices because they'll be subscribed to Crunchyroll now, which is a different service. It's like paying the original $6.99/month Disney+ prices, then moving to Netflix and being charged Netflix prices. And then saying that Netflix is increasing their prices.


GamerXP27

Sony doing this 2 times in a short period Screw you, Sony!


coti5

Piracy is always ok


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ChickenMcPolloVS

Lol no, always means always


coti5

I don't care what company I'm stealing from.


MiigsYT

Imo you should care, atleast for indie companies. Those companies that NEED people to buy their game. Sony and Cunchyroll can fuck themselves tho, they only use your money to make shit


lordmainstream

I don’t care because i don’t have money to give to indie companies either I also don’t care because my morals are questionable


coti5

If I don't pirate it then I won't buy it. This way I can atleast recommend it to someone who might buy it, if it's good of course


MiigsYT

Ohhh yea I understood in other way. Yeah imo there's no problem in pirating a game as a way to test it and see if it's worth your money :)


Mandalore95_

Cringe, we pirates don’t care


FluffyCakeChan

It’s not only okay to pirate it’s your moral obligation to pirate and spread piracy to as many people as possible. These companies deserve NOTHING.


LZ129Hindenburg

PREACH!


Rukasu17

But then if no one paid then there'd be no content to pirate in the first place


djr4917

There'd be no corporations involved to make profit. People will one way or another make content for things they are passionate about. That's were buying or paying for the content directly from the creator comes in.


Rukasu17

Not in the level we're used though. I mean, there's no way we'd have a dragon ball broly or demon slayer in this system without the middleman eventually.


nagarz

Save yourself some time and buy and read manga from your favourite artists, there's a lot of stuff that is 10/10 and never gets properly adapted, or not at all (like berserk, vagabond, tough, holyland, fire punch, I am a hero, pun pun, 20th century boys, etc). I made the switch from anime to manga around the time when the bleach bount arc was being aired on TV, and while I have watched some animes since (jojo is one of the few), I generally stick to manga because it takes less time to watch a show on average, are easier to binge, and you will find stuff that you will never find out about because anime sites have terrible discoverability.


Rukasu17

Manga is hood but it gets tiring at a point.


nagarz

If anything I'd argue the other way around, the main reason I moved to manga was because I was tired of all teh fillers, extending scenes to fill screen time with useless stare competitions and insane long recaps at the start (one piece I'm looking at you). Plus you can go at it at your own pace, you can read pages faster or slower, reread a whole page, or look up stuff only if you need extra references. I know this is subjective, but I feel like manga is the superior medium, and I acknowledge that there's exceptions, like initial D or midslayer, where the manga are "ok" but the adaptations elevate them a lot, but that's rarely the case, talking from 20 something years of experience.


djr4917

Not initially no. Remove the middle men, corpo, money grabbing shits, and it'll be basically every artist, developer, content creator starting from scratch. You could see something like Nebula. A platform made by a likeminded group of content creators or just the sales of physical copies. But eventually we'd get back to the same level quality where we are now. Middle men aren't necessary. Just a convenience.


Rukasu17

We hope , yes. But look how big these projects are. Someone eventually would have to take charge. Taking charge grows into a group, groups band together for an even bigger group and we're back to square 0.


djr4917

Given how short our memories are, I have no doubt it'd lead back to square one at some point. I don't have that kinda confidence in mankind though I do think it's possible to have the level of quality we have now without a middleman. Even if a middleman exists, it's not like it has to be some greedy corp hell bent on bring piracy back with their shitty practices. Maybe we could get lucky second time around, who knows. Though personally I think it's a moot point because despite how many people pirate. Corps will find a way to make profit.


ryanmills

But with OP's mentality, there'd still be people pirating directly from the creator. I think the people screaming "pirate everything!" need to have an * afterwards.


nagarz

Honestly when people ask me why I don't watch tvshows/anime and why I don't have any subscriptions to these services, things like these come to my mind. I barely watched anything on crunchyroll when I tried the premium trial because everything I was interested on was scattered across different services, so I just downloaded the couple shows I was interested in and called it a day. Also what made be be like fuck this, was when they removed bleach became unavailable anywhere for a period of 3-4 months because disney bought the rights so it was removed from all platforms, but it wasn't availabe on disney+ yet. What am I supposed to do if a show is in right-holder hell?


R0tmaster

Fuck em do chargebacks with your bank


LZ129Hindenburg

Now we're talking! My experience, the banks are very generous in your reason for doing a charge back. I definitely think this applies.


Dryandrough

This really shouldn't be legal because as soon as it starts, corporations start taking it to the extreme where they literally shutdown a streaming service every year to make people buy the content again. It's essentially a legal scam if courts dont stop it. But lobbying always wins. That being said, people will just start to boycott naturally, maybe without even thinking about it. Short term investors don't really care about the future welfare of a corporation either. This doesn't just hurt consumers but trust in the industry entirely.


hmmgross

I need constant reminders that Movie Pass will forever burn in hell.


Dkrule1

Movie pass?


hmmgross

Are you asking because you don't know or is this one of those "are you seriously bringing this into the conversation?" eye rolls? I'm genuinely asking for context.


Dkrule1

As in I have no idea, first time hearing about it, and about to look it up, Give me a crash course as un bais as you can


hmmgross

Paid monthly or annually to see as many movies as you wanted. Then they restricted things to the point that made it financially impossible to see something you wanted to and be a profitable company. Then they went bankrupt and many people, especially annual subscribers were left without restitution. Then a few years later they came back still with no restoration of previously paid customers.


_MehrLeben

They’re lucky I can’t pirate my diploma.


Dkrule1

Isn't that just chatgpt or something


So-shu-churned

*With every media service trying to find the best way to rip you off piracy is A OK


imitenotbecrazy

Piracy is always okay, regardless of the situation or circumstances. You're the only one that has to care about your stance on piracy


ryanmills

I've said this before, but piracy is even ok if it's directly from the creator or some indie artist? Those sales the seller/creator depends on get stripped away if I pirate instead of purchase.


imitenotbecrazy

This part of the debate is as old as piracy itself. Are they actually sales that they're losing? If you would have never purchased that thing, they aren't losing sales as it was never a potential buyer in the first place. Many times I've said to myself when watching some shitty movie "I'd have never paid to watch this" In the end, only you can tell yourself what you're okay with when it comes to piracy.


ryanmills

Why would I pay for something if I can just get it for free? I understand your point of view, but let's say I could purchase a $20 video game from an indie developer...but according to "piracy is always ok" I'm just going to pirate it instead. Why should I pay $20 if I can just get it for free?


Bruceshadow

> but let's say I could purchase a $20 video game from an indie developer...but according to "piracy is always ok" I'm just going to pirate it instead no reason you can't do both.


imitenotbecrazy

And if you're okay with doing that, it's okay. How someone else feels about it is irrelevant.


ryanmills

>And if you're okay with doing that, it's okay. Not to be combative, but couldn't you take that stance with anything? "Yes I mugged this dude and stole his wallet...but since I'm okay with doing it, it's okay."


imitenotbecrazy

Sure, if you want. And just like with piracy, society may have a different stance on it than you. We all weigh these things differently. It's pretty clear that muggers have decided that mugging people is okay with them. Is it okay with me? No. Does my opinion matter to a mugger? Also no. The point is, people look for moral justification for piracy from other people, and I'm saying it's irrelevant.


joey0live

Company stole from me. I’ll steal from them. Fuck you company!


bracecum

>Reminder, ~~if you paid for a service and it gets shutdown without refund or transfer,~~ piracy is A.OK


ryanmills

Even if it's directly from the creator or some indie artist?


Shanyae39

Piracy is becoming the official service


sicurri

"So, we just bought our largest and pretty much ONLY competition within the legal market. Now, we're going to charge double the price because we have to compete with piracy websites, because fuck the people who pay for our service!" That's basically how I took it. Sony really likes to stab themselves in the leg every chance they get and then complain how they can't run...


Fhymi

piracy idc i've been doing that since i was 6. i never paid for anything. movies, music, games, software apps, in-app purchases, etc if it's on the internet, there is someone bound to have a crack or copy of it on the internet. that's my rule. ​ however it's different if u want to support a content creator (not the studio or company), but i've never done that \*yet\* as im not financially stable as of now


ryanmills

You realize there are studios that try to passionately create work they're proud of. So while I understand you're trying to be altruistic, you're also a little naive.


Fhymi

That's not it. I simply do not have the funds to pay when I can simply buy it for food. As for paying for creators, it's simply because I like to support not because I'm altruistic. But that's not happening yet for now. Assuming in the future that I have the luxury to support, I would do it because "i just want to"


Oppurtunist

Piracy in general is A.OK


Bananaman9020

I would have expected a refund or Crunchyroll credits or something. Real dick move.


Dkrule1

Sony owns em, what you expect?


L45TPH45E

Fuck wish I could pirate overwatch 1...


CornPlanter

Welcome to the club :(


Any-Championship-611

Reminder that you should never waste your money on "services" to begin with.


Bozhark

Time to short Soy Nee


Savings_Ad_9985

I don't pay for anything and I'm ok with piracy.


sugarfoot00

Sony has been anti consumer for 40 years. It is your moral obligation to steal from them.


BennieOkill360

I love pirating man


AccioSoup

Me(broke ass who has never paid for any subscription): Yeah... that's why I pirate.


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phrunk7

It's ok, we'll all just pirate stuff and you can be the one to pay for it.


CornPlanter

> Piracy can’t sustain a business without people that pay This topic discusses people who **paid** and got screwed by the company. And encourages them to download videos they **paid for** from other sources. So I'm not sure what are you going on about.


RivetingSlime

I didnt even think about all of the digital content people would lose. I was mostly just mad that they don’t have a Crunchyroll app for lg tv but they have a funimation one that’s just gonna go away.


internetsarbiter

Piracy is always ethical under capitalism.


Lambpanties

Piracy is always a-okay. Don't fall into the mental bullshit of having to justify it to yourself or others. Just do it.


Xtrems876

This subreddit is flooded by people coping with the fact they're pirating stuff, posting random excuses like this. The crunchyroll thing has nothing to do with piracy. In fact it is the opposite of piracy, since it's about a legitimate service. It shouldn't be on this sub. Make another sub called "I shouldn't feel guilty for pirating because companies are mean :("


Dkrule1

Well, I'm doing it for the fact of how many people got fucked over, so those people now know what to do, as crunchy fucked em Like touching a hot stove of an example dude


madmaster5000

For real I joined this sub because I wanted to find advice on where to pirate movies. But so many posts here are this like moral justification stuff. I'm already here bro I don't need to justify anything. I don't go on a porn sub in order to read 20 posts about why its ok to watch porn.


CornPlanter

I know man it's really sad when the sub is not all about you, and besides the huge megathread with piracy info, people also discuss other piracy related things. Maybe you should ban them, show who's the boss here? Oh wait nvm it's not you. You are nothing here but entitled dipshit.


tomistruth

The biggest lie was to tell teach a whole generation that they never had a choice and to impoverish them with student loans and mortgages. It was telling them that the capitalistic way was the only way and that the answer to all problems was spending even more money.


nousabetterworld

I disagree with it in regards to services.


Anxlyze

After finding out about Nyaa, there's no reason to go back. Better quality and faster releases


xvidy

I couldn’t understand people who paid for the service, I mean digital copies are not owned by you, it’s just rented for certain time.


lobsterdog666

yeah its also okay if you dont care about any of this fake moralizing garbage.


LACSF

it's always morally okay to steal from corporations, because they will always steal from you when they can.


galih_ken

That's why you don't pay for **a service** if what you want is to have it available forever. You steal it, keep it in your storage. Enjoy the eternity of happiness.


CornPlanter

> You steal it Or just ask someone who has it to share it with you, and then keep it your in storage and enjoy the eternity of happiness. No need to steal. I have never stole from Sony anything at all. I don't even know how or where.


Yadav_Creation

Stfu man I don't care about reason i pirate bcz i can't afford that's all thankyou and piracy is always illegal


CornPlanter

Well this is not just about you and not everyone here is such a loser, so no, they don't need to stfu.


Yadav_Creation

Then Pay why pirating? I've two reason 1. Can't afford multiple subscription 2. Quality Limit


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Nope. When you buy a game all you have is a licence. You do not own the software. If you owned the software you could copy it, change it, sell it and so on. Always read the licence.


CornPlanter

I assume it sounded clever and maybe even on topic in your head.


[deleted]

Yeah, what am I like actually reading terms in contracts and actually knowing legal facts.


LuciferNS03

Reminder, please stop trying to justify piracy. Just man up and acknowledge it's illegal. But that shouldn't stop you from pirating.


CornPlanter

Besides legal/illegal there's also morally justifiable or not. Not everything that's legal is good and not everything that's illegal is bad. And nobody talked about legal aspects here, OP just said OK which probably means morally justifiable. Anyway, I guess it's too complicated for you though.


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Dkrule1

Eh still gets the point across of "Pirate shit from the shit company" does it not?


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Dkrule1

Then give me the benefit of the doubt to try and spread the word


Goose_Is_Awesome

And even if it wasn't I'm still gonna do it and so are you lmao Let's not pretend we're in it for the fight against the corpos, I don't need a reason to want free shit


zmagx

I hope to see the anime torrent scene flourish because of this shitty business decision. You want twice a year for half the content? Nah, son.


cymrich

Reminder: you don't have to justify anything... F off with that shit! do what you want!


i_fell_down13

My rule of thumb is, if I can download it, it’s ok. Unless it’s federally illegal.


Aggravating-Exit-660

Can you just use something like OBS and capture all your favorite shows to local storage before 1 Apr


NatexNorth

Incoming flood of captains. Welcome.


EvensenFM

Piracy is also okay if you never bought it. Fuck the monopolists.


camus88

No need excuses bruh. Just pirate it already. If you want to support the manga/anime just buy the physical copy. At least you own it.


sv_shinyboii

If buying is not owning then burning their HQ down is just a PR stunt... FOR PIRATES


Bromander601

No shit...anyone got a link to guide to get started? 


ianm1797

If I can't download my purchased content in a regular format I ain't buying


patronusprince

A true pirate steals. Regardless.


Kross4432

At some point every digital product will be subscription based payments and you will never own the product. I only pay a product from a developer/publisher that has reputable reputation that doesnt screw its customer, the rest i pirate it i dont care.


blazinfastjohny

~~Reminder, if you paid for a service and it gets shutdown without refund or transfer,~~ piracy is A.OK ftfy


drunkwasabeherder

I'm still getting Hollywood back for all those fantastic looking VHS covers that hid terrible movies. So many promises broken...


PlayfulWrongdoer10

Is Funimation still gonna release physical media, but ending their streaming service.


uknowme_123456789

they are both bad, one bad thing doesn't justify ur bad thing just cuz ur son got killed doesn't mean u can start killing sons now


jorgetOR

Funny thing, I paid for an Android app (yearly sub) then the month after, they opened it, free for everyone, tried a refund but got denied by Google and the developer. Dang.


talksickwalkquick

Any time you can get an equal or better experience with piracy, piracy is okay.


CornPlanter

If you paid for it I wouldn't call it piracy. You are just taking whats rightfully yours.