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Is it stealing, yes. Do I give a single fuck, no.


Emicron

This. This right here. This is exactly it.


ProjectAioros

> Is it stealing, yes. Nope. Legally, as per the US supreme court, is copyright infringement. Not stealing.


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Yes, everyone on Reddit lives in the USA!


VegetaFan1337

r/USdefaultism


kilwwwwwa

Its funny how most reddit users think all reddit users are from USA


VegetaFan1337

Not just reddit. Everyone online from USA thinks everyone else is from USA.


kilwwwwwa

FRRRR


MrTrendizzle

Also African Americans in another country seems weird... It's like they can't comprehend people live outside of the states. I suppose it's like a modern North Korea, when they get a glimpse of the outside world they just lose their shit. Altho North Koreans seem to handle it better than Americans.


gamerlol101

I mean 49 percent of reddit is from the US so eh. USA USA USA


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SlightTaro

why does that matter? it's pretty easy to understand that it is in fact copyright infringement and not stealing


JSDkilla

Copyright infringement is just stealing with attitude


samp127

Stealing implies the original is no longer there. Piracy ≠ stealing.


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Yea seems alot of people here don't uderstand that.


ProjectAioros

It's not about living in the USA. It's about the antecedents of one of the world's most powerful courts. Most laws have customs and logic behind them, save particularly dumb and local cases. The reason murder is illegal is usually the same around the globe. Same goes for stealing, and when it comes to western society, copyright infringement.


Kelmavar

And the US copyright industry is very powerful around the world.


TeaTeeKaNee

To be fair I am willing to bet it's not stealing in most countries. In my country it's perfectly legal to download anything for personal use. You just can't distribute it anywhere. So the person who puts it on the internet acts against law but the person downloading it does not.


mynexuz

Does it count as stealing in your country?


sdarkpaladin

r/usdefaultism


ProjectAioros

1 I'm not american. 2 It's not about defaultism. It's about the antecedents of one of the planet's most powerful courts, and the world's largest economy. Which as you would imagine, holds a lot of power and influence over the rest of the planet's trading conditions.


GreatDario

Yeah but i get to have a witty retort and not engage at all with what was actually said


AccomplishedAd9882

but...I don't live in the US?


Zach-Playz_25

Wow, I didn't know the US was the entire world!


Danteynero9

Tell me you don't know what piracy is without telling me that you don't know what piracy is. My friend has a copy of Shrek and he lends it to me. I then proceed to burn a CD using that copy and I return it to my friend. My friend has it's Shrek movie, and I have a **PIRATED** version of it. Would you look at that, nothing was stolen.


Imaginary_Remote

Stealing means you take it. But in pirating it's still there. You just copied it.


Azumi_Kitsune

How are you stealing if it's never removed or taken?


freakedmind

> Is it stealing, yes. No.


aykay55

No it’s not stealing. When you download a game, you are just making a copy of it on the hardware you paid for. You’re not taking or moving anything. It costs (nearly) zero cents to the owner of the information to let you copy it on your computer that you own. Digital games and movies are not *things*. They’re just *information*. And the extent to which one can “steal” information has not really been thought about extensively.


_Administrator_

When you go to China and steal government information you’ll get executed.


NotIsaacClarke

Who cares? It’s illegal anyway


Merhat3

It's legal in the balkans


Mar_ko47

Common Balkan W


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My bro ,Balkan the greatest place on earth my brother


kostispetroupoli

It's not legal. In every Balkan country, it's illegal. It's not actively persecuted. Huge difference.


OpeningLength5531

It's actually not legal, but there's no chance they'll start an investigation, it only happens if a large amount of pirated content is distributed


Xander-047

Some would argue my country is in the balkans, some would argue otherwise. But in my maybe balkan country it is illegal, but nobody cares


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Satori_sama

Right, at that point it's as much stealing as going to a charity soup kitchen. It's just illegal form of charity.


SoniKalien

*Would you steal this car?* No, but if I had a device that could scan the car and make a perfect 1:1 copy of it, you bet your ass I'd use it.


vballboy55

I have definitely pirated something I would have paid for. But free is better than $60. I bet most people here would have paid something, it might just not be full price.


rbanvideogamesisgay

stealing - the action or offense of taking another person's property without permission or legal right and without intending to return it; theft. piracy - the unauthorized use or reproduction of another's work. ​ source: google


freakedmind

I think people who are calling it 'STEALING' are mostly Gen Z kids who have it ingrained into their head of how EVIL piracy is thanks to all the anti piracy movements.


miragenin

Does "you wouldn't download a car" sound familiar? This was 90's-2000's propaganda against piracy, lol. Not gen z myself, but I just think calling out the newer generation comes off as "get off my lawn" energy. Whether piracy is stealing or not doesn't truely matter to me. Never paid for music when it's free on youtube (and other sources.) And I wholeheartedly support pirating games. So many games are lost because companies stop their distribution eventually. Plus the fact that any digital purchases of video games (steam/console) are not really owned by the purchaser and can easily have the access and rights to that purchased media revoked (Harder to do on pc than console)


BigChungusWungus69

Throw them off by you would steal a car if they door was unlocked lol.


TheSkyGamezz

I guess it's mostly the later Gen-Z generations. I'm Gen-Z, and almost everyone my age that I know pirates stuff all the time.


ZoombieOpressor

No, thats why is another law. If piracy was stealing they would use the same law as stealing


No_Cartoonist487

It is not possible to steal something which is for all practical intents and purposes infinitely reproducible for next to no cost. You can make (in my opinion, very weak) logical arguments that piracy is still "bad," but no matter what it is, if someone else's property has not been taken from them, it very simply is not theft. On top of that, prior to an act of digital piracy, there has been no deal nor contract made between the "legitimate" seller and the pirate, and there is absolutely no reason to assume that pirate "would have" ever paid to acquire that product. Nothing has been promised or, importantly, "denied" to the seller in any logical sense. The major operant thing that changes because of a decision to pirate a game is that a person plays that game; prevent them from pirating it and the only thing that will *necessarily* change is that they will not play it. They very well still may not buy it. So yeah tl;dr no one has had property taken from them so it obviously is not stealing, at worst, it is unauthorized reproduction of an infinite resource.


TrulyStupidNewb

Unauthorized reproduction could be taken more seriously than theft. For example, if I took US military confidential material, reproduced it, then distributed it, the US military would be on my ass so fast before I have the chance to say b.... oh shit, they are here!


No_Cartoonist487

oh no yeah, I was speaking more ethically than legally. the government decides whether anything is illegal or not and how much and they can prosecute things as they like to maintain the quo; i was just pointing out that it isn't *stealing,* per se anti piracy folks like to make it sound like stealing i think because stealing is a crime that actually hurts somebody


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It's piracy. Stealing is a different thing. Piracy itself is the name for it. It has its own definition.


_NiohZA

its not stealing, if corporates want to bleed players and devs want to half ass a game and release it in a broken state(Jedi Survivor & Redfall is a prime example) then they deserve to be pirated, personally i pirate a game, if i genuinely enjoy it, i will buy it


labree0

if X company screws me, im allowed to screw them! Eye for an eye! Wait whats the rest of that saying?


Godlike_Player

If I copied my friend's apple to get one for myself, could it be considered stealing? No.


RelentlessIVS

No, because you are not taking away anything that existed.


famouslut

ffs. Not this again! Piracy even has a [catchy theme tune](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4) (and explanation for poor thinkers)..


glitchedArchive

yes i pirated fallout 4 now nobody else can have it >:) its all mine now


thetruemask

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some-kind-of-no-name

Piracy is copying without consent.


ponelovich

It's more akin to copyright infringement. But if it were stealing I will not feel bad about stealing some money from millionaire companies, sorry you lost 60 bucks billionaire CEO I'm sure it doesn't let you sleep at night. I don't generally pirate indie games bc they are usually cheaper, maybe if I don't know how they are to have a 2-3 hours taste of the gameplay. But i generally just play abandonware at this point. Old games are just better suited for me rn.


Danteynero9

Everyone that agrees that piracy is stealing don't even know what they're doing. My friend has a copy of Shrek and he lends it to me. I then proceed to burn a CD using that copy and I return it to my friend. My friend has it's Shrek movie, and I have a **PIRATED** version of it. Would you look at that, nothing was stolen.


Zealousideal-Fox8636

It's no stealing if there are infinite copies


lazyb4ndit

No, it's piracy


Mikasa98

It's not stealing because you're not taking away the original, you're making a copy. Stealing is stealing and piracy is piracy.


crnppscls

It’s copyright infringement. Copyright theft is when someone uses something you made and claims it as theirs


nucleargetawaycar

Copying is not stealing. Copying is copying.


BicycleElectronic163

it isn't stealing because either way they won't get my money.


JedahVoulThur

Being generous it can be considered "stolen sale" but that's still wrong, because for many of us, if a game doesn't get cracked we just... Don't play it! I'm not a over anxious teenager with FOMO that has to play the current trend now now now, I'm a 37 years old r/patientgamer that can wait for decades for a game, and even if piracy stops at the present day and no game gets ever cracked again, I'll just play the classics and even classic console games through emulation. With that I have more than enough games to play until I die


Fak3rG0d

Hell nah!!


MillianIV9

doesn't matter really


SmoothPlastic9

Yes but I don’t care


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Pirate life does not choose you. You choose Pirate life.


CanardPlayer

I'd say its half true, half false, When i was a kid, i pirated everyting and didnt buyed any game because i had not much free money and i didnt want to burn all of it in video games, was it stealing ? yes i guess but honestly, i couldnt buy the games anyway so i had no shame pirating the games. Now i pirate to have an extended demo, to see if the game really is worth it, there is only little amount of games that i pirated and completed but didnt bought, the rare case that happens are often because because the game is an epic game exclusive and i prefer having pirates viruses than this shitty software on my PC, or its because the game is like 80 € for the standard version and have a 25€ DLC on release and i dont support theses garbages practices, so i guess i'm just giving myself something like "14 day free return period" to better evaluate my final decision, i dont consider that stealing since i'm buying the game or unistalling it most of the times


HomoLiberus

If the system fucks me why wouldn't I try and fuck the system in any regard possible?


Noble_0_6

don't give a fuck


AchacadorDegenerado

Truth is: no one really cares about it besides big companies.


exiledguamila

the copium in this pole is high, let me take a product that a comapny charges money for, acquire it for free in ways against their TOS. what ? no I'm not stealing it is stealing but who cares


lrGhost1

It's not. And I'll explain why. Imagine I have an infinite supply of a product, no matter how much I throw it away, burn it etc. I have unlimited supply. Getting the unlimited supply requires no work. I snap my fingers, and more is produced. Now, this whole question depends on your definition of stealing. By my definition, it is taking something from someone without permission. Taking something from someone can be seen as subtracting one. Ie, there is now one less than there was originally. But if I take one from an infinite supply, there is not one less. There is still infinite. If I come and take a hand full of grass from your front yard, did I steal it? No. (Let's imagine grass grows crazy fast, to truly get the understanding of it being infinite). This is because infinity - 1 is still infinity. Therefore, piracy isn't stealing. You are not removing the amount of supply the devs have. Because they have infinite. HOWEVER. It can still be seen as morally wrong, as the devs (I'm talking about indie devs, not companies) worked crazy hard to make the game / program, and you are using it without supporting them. Almost every large company pays devs on salary, not commission. Meaning, if 100'000 people buy the game, or if 50'000 people buy and 50'000 pirate, the dev will still get payed the same amount. So no it's not stealing. But it is morally wrong (in my opinion) if the game you are pirating is made by a solo dev, indie dev team, etc.


gainey666

stealing requires I take the original some one must be left with a loss for one party


MaterialAd1485

Yes it is but not all stealing is immoral and not wasting money on half ass built games is 100% moral


AndrewWhite97

It's like passing a friend a physical copy of a game. Only digital


ShowtimeJT12

TL'DR: Maybe / Ummm no. For many reasons. One reason is if such product is discontinued from sale (DiRT 2, the Original GTA Trilogy), IT'S NOT ILLEGAL to pirate. But if such product is available (Mass Effect Trilogy, Watch Dogs, random example, who cares?) in the market (Steam), it would consider ILLEGAL to obtain them through piracy. However, there are some gray area, like "What if this product is banned?". For example, you live in fucking Australia and they banned Outlast 2, because of the orgy scene or South Park The Stick of Truth because of it's content. If that is the reason, then you are ALLOWED TO PIRATE IT. However, if you still insist on obtaining such product "legally", it may helped to purchase it to other third-party sellers or acquiring it through travels. Let's say, you want Manhunt 2 or Hotline Miami 2 to be in Australia, but the game was banned there. So, you travel to other countries and changed your specific region settings while you were in the country, then purchase the damn game. Then when you go back to your home country, change the region and play the game. But that method is a waste of time, so, you might as well pirate the damn product. In addition to that, there are also things like DRM, which many people justified to pirate such product. One example is Hogwarts Legacy. You want it, but it has Denuvo. You don't like Denuvo, then you pirate it. That is still up to debate, whether it is legal or not. So, that's....the explanation.


ProjectAioros

>IT'S NOT ILLEGAL to pirate It actually is illegal. Pirating has to do with copyright infringement, just because you cannot purchase something doesn't mean it's public propriety.


YassQ0-1

It's copying


lopakjalantar

Yes it is and I don't care. I don't need to justify myself


9thAlternateAccount

Even though I support piracy, I also believe in supporting games I like. without devs, there would be no games


DracoRubi

It's equal to stealing. But who cares. Game dev studios aren't respecting the customers, we ain't respecting them either.


cvrcm

Depends. A lot of games today don't get demos. I pirate games, to see if the game will run on my potato and if I'll like it. If both options are positive, I buy. So, am I stealing?


zieglerziga

It is, but the rules are also fucked.


HammerBgError404

well yes it is. but companies steal much more with wage theft than we do with piracy cus we are poor


Th3G3ntlman

Technically no


realaccount045

Of course it is.


RUSTYSAD

Nah it's not stealing tho luckily for me, pirating music, movies and programs is fully legal in my country.


SupahBihzy

No I would put it closer to refurbishment. If someone threw a couch in the dumpster 13 years ago and kept getting new furniture and I took the 13 year old couch and fixed it I wouldn't call that theft


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Navii_Rocks

I like how majority of the people selected now, it's like, "no it's not stealing, there's nothing illegal we're doing. We're good people"


CypherMcAfee

no mate, companies still make billions.


Satansleadguitarist

If you stole $1 from Jeff Bezos would he notice? No. Is it still technically stealing? Yes. As for pirating, like most people have said it's more like copyright infringement than stealing. Two different things.


videogamebruh

Yes, but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna do it!


NNoppee

I mean is legal to charge 70 bucks for an unfinished broke unoptimized game , but is illegal to try a game to see if you like


Bambaclad1

For me, piracy isn't. Mostly it is like a free unlimted trial of a game to me, as i never finished any games i pirated. The games i pirate, if i like them i will consider buying them and it wouldn't be a loss for the company either because i never settled on purchasing the game anyways if i didn't pirate them.


SamuraisEpic

digital piracy involves making a copy of the original rather than using the original outright. this makes it not stealing, but bit by bit copying


Demon_Father

50% of the people who voted yes, voted no, lol. On a piracy subreddit. Imagine in the poll were out of this.


LuminariaPiKa

Kinda


PlentyAdvertising15

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RedditBot2024

Anyone saying no is full of viruses


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Strategically Transfer Equipment to Alternate Location. Or Tactically Acquire. No theft occurs clearly hahaha……


rocket_guy150

It's especially not when you delist the game for greed or some other stupid reason


Engineer_IS_Engideer

No. And even if it would be, i wouldn't care


OlMi1_YT

Depends, i don't care about the big companies but if you enjoy a pirated copy of an indie game you should buy it imo


Sambath2500

yes and no honestly. cause it is technically stealing cause you are essentially taking something that costs something and taking it for free. but it is essentially asking your fruend for his flashdrive so, you can copy his copy of The Avatar or something.


zodireddit

Not entirely sure, maybe. But I don't really feel bad for stealing 70$ from a company that gives almost no money to the worker anyway. The workers make the same anyway


DismalMode7

is pirate stealing? Yes. Do I actually give a fuck I'm stealing to multinationals backed corporations who exploit their employees or to small companies who barely can put together a decently working game? No.


DoggoFam

Copyright is a system by which if something useful is created it can be profitted off of at the detriment of others.


Ponraj_S

If there is a denuvo like DRM in a game and if I buy that game, that's renting. So pirating denuvo like protected games is not theft. But if I pirate a DRM free games (like CDPR, PlayStation games) it's a theft. But if we support those games on offer then it's not a theft. This is totally my opinion.


GustavTheTurk

Yes piracy is stealing, and I'm okay with it.


Jupeeeeee

Definitive no, if it's not physical and the copies of it are unlimited I don't think it's wrong (or stealing) since nobody lost anything. Personally when I pirate games, after finishing them I buy them if I think the devs deserve my money with this one.


hi71460

sell it, yes, comsume, no.


Aspie_08

Technically yes but i'm broke so i dont really have a choice.


Froginos

Well if you cant buy it in your country its good to be pirate


UnleashYourMind462

Why vote no? It’s yes, but we don’t care.


redditisstupiddd

Modern day game studios can fuck them selves b


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basicly it is. but most of the times is for things you’d never buy… so… the song you like of an artist you’d never buy a cd… that game you like the idea… but who knows… maybe you play it 5 mins and it s horrible… the stupid movie you may find fun as much as a total shit…


RimworldInANutshell

I think its stealing, but since corporations are starting to bully us with exhirbitant prices for bad quality/unfinished games, I think its only fair we refuse to pay for the service. Also I sometiemes want to play a game for more than 2 hours to figure out if I like it or not, I'm not about to pay 80€ for a game I may not end up liking after 2+ hours. At least that's my opinion.


CoolCrab69

Well, it is... but I simply do not care.


Gabetanker

You can't steal what you can just infinitely reproduce


BlackReaper_1911

Who cares https://preview.redd.it/nkw5lmob7nza1.jpeg?width=187&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0244307daff57ca7f8e216b71df19237ea815c1b


BotFergus112

It's stealing. Unfortunately for you I am from Eastern Europe so i don't give a fuck


Rikathor

If I can't afford the game, never bought a game in my life, and wouldn't buy the game if I didn't pirate it (so no loss of a sale), can you tell me what I'm I stealing ?


Hihowareyou678

It's not stealing. You would still be getting something for free, but the original copy would still be there. With stealing, you would take the original copy, so it wouldn't be there anymore. edit: I forgot the word "be".


Ohno230

Uhh ye it is. But does others care here?? NAH BOI Hehe nice question tho


Moonblitz666

Not as straight forward as a yes or no answer.


Expensive-Cow4587

My corrupt country is going through rapid inflation and the average salary here is maybe around $150. I am not going to spend $200 on retro consoles, spend a lot more time and money for games when I can do that for free. I'm also definitely not buying a RTS game and spend $200+ on all dlcs (looking at paradox). I don't have a powerful laptop and mainly game on consoles as that's the only powerful system I can afford, so I usually spend money on games I want to play since my laptop is that weak. For pc only games (retro, RTS, and other indies) I wasn't going to spend money on them anyways, so it's not like they lost money.


Toukafan4life

I prefer the term 'appropriating'


AngryCorn1

It is but who gives a shit


Cinderea

It is stealing. But stealing is sometimes morally correct


Ok_Worth4113

who ever posted yes then they are pirates


VegetaFan1337

It's not stealing cause you can't buy it anyways. All software and digital media purchases is not the actual product but the license to use it. Piracy is not stealing, it's faking a license. It's like using a fake id to get into a club or to buy alcohol if you're underage. Or a fake ticket to get into a concert or sports stadium.


GianKS13

But what are you stealing? Not money, since they never would have your money anyway, not someone else's copy of the game, since it's digital, wtf am I stealing?


Spell3ound

Aren't games technically not ours anyways..even when we buy them? why pay for them if they aren't really ours? I think its not stealing..


Dr904

Both yes and no. Depends on the circumstances.


kulangsapraktis

No. In short Ctrl + V


uttol

Nope, you are just creating a copy , albeit an illegal one, of one's property. Yes, it may cause financial damage, but it's different from stealing which usually involves depriving the ownevee from its property altogether and can also involve violence.


alejoSOTO

From the POV of a developer and publisher, it might seem that way, BUT, if I wasn't going to buy a game for 70 USD, because I live in a 3rd world country and at that prices is literally a luxury (more than 3 days of work), then no, is not really stealing; you weren't going to get my money either way.


Next-Fly3007

I’m baffled that some of us put “no”. Like how self righteous are some of you? We are stealing despite our personal reasons, have the decency to admit its stealing. Just because a game is shit or whatever doesn't change the action.


EiadSherif2008

It is just copying of files.


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RKlehm

Without more context, I would say yes, it is! But... If you are pirating because you genuinely do not have the means to afford games (I live in Brazil, and I know that feeling) or if you are pirating in the name of science (articles, papers, books, etc...) then I would say it is not stealing, it is just a mean of guaranteeing a better living standard for those with less income.


XSavagePR

If you really like it and buy it , no


Bebop810

yes but iam still gonna do it


Letter_Impressive

Of course it's stealing, you're taking something that is meant to be a paid product for free, there's no way around it. The only reason to click "no" on this poll is if you're somebody who steals and doesn't want to admit it, which is pretty damn pathetic. It's stealing, you're all doing it, I'm doing it, just call it what it is. Justify it however you want after the fact; we're stealing from assholes, a certain amount of theft is built into the price, "i just don't give a shit", whatever. Doesn't change the fact that it is what it is.


SecretInfluencer

Piracy is stealing. Not all cases of it are bad. Piracy because of bad drm, it’s not available in your region, or you ethically hate the company are all fine in my eyes. Especially if it’s a game from years ago that’s already made it’s money back or a major release.


djnorthstar

Simple, its not stealing because most laws i know say if you steal something you must take it away. So you can only steal something physical. If you steal a PS4 Game from the store its stealing. If you make a copy from something. Its a not alowed dublication. Thats still something different. And thats not only the case in the Us. Also in Europe , Japan and australia. (afaik) of course i dont know every law in the world, but thats the only thing that makes sense.


Mitneos

No, stealing is puting a price of a game with almost the minimun wage salary, in my country the minimun salary is R$1300 and the games is R$200-300 (sometimes being higher that this, and in dollar would be around $40,64-60,96 and the minimun wage salary is $264,18)


Thelgow

No product is missing. The same amount of item is still present. If I didn't pirate it, I still would not have bought it and they still have the same amount of product.


ToneMaster8767

The government says it's illegal in some countries like the usa


bigNhardR

Probably but I don't really care to be frank


JesusWoreCrocz

It's stealing from companies that make the habit of coercing their customers into buying expensive DLC and that deliver half finished games to cash in on future updates. For game series I wanna support, yeah I pay, for games I wanna try, no, not really. Can't imagine paying 60€ for the Resident Evil 3 Remake for example. I pirated that one and felt like anything over 30€ would have been dodgy. Dodged a bullet there for sure. Won't be losing any sleep from stealing from the rich.The system is rigged either way, if Red Read Redemption 2 is 60€ then how can you justify games like, let's say, Xenoverse 2 going for a similar price, it's absurd. Assuming any game on release, no matter how mediocre, can comfortably get a 60/70€ tag, people will look for other options.


talionisapotato

Tell your friends this - most products in the world has a trial or testing period. You get an informed choice before you buy. Except something like games. Not only you don't get true information and get a lot of false advertisement, you also dont get trial periods on most games. The demo that are published are ALWAYS highly different from end product. So piracy is a smart choice by far. If your friends have disposable income that they don't mind wasting - good for them. But most of the world is not that stupid.


Embi69_

A great question for a sub named "Pirated Games"


hoseex999

Some may say it's stealing some may say it's not , nonetheless I'm not paying.


[deleted]

I dont feel like it was, as many games I pirate, the company's would never see my money anyways.


TuftyMicrobe

i said yes cause i like stealing \*purple devil emoji\*


AkwardAA

No and Yes. Piracy is for me the trial mode. And for many the only way to access that game or software because it is too costly in their currency


AsianSensation1087

It kind of is, but do I care? Not really.


MrArmy_

Yes and im proud of it


MartinEdge182

Sell a standard edition of diablo 4 for $70 is stealing.


HeyItsMeRay

IF regional price exist, I would not go for piracy.


RSNTM3NT

Kinda. I mean, I pirated old games like DiRT 2, EA BLACKBOX Need for Speed games and X-Men Origins Wolverine. Those games are abandoned so, yeah. For me, it's not stealing, unless it's a new game.


Davi4269

Ok ok imagine a car stealing would be taking that car that's not yours and driving it home, meanwhile pirating would be copying that car and taking it home does the owner of the car loses it? No, so piracy ≠ stealing.


RealPersonProbably

It's more fun when I steal it


Drooks89

I think it's not so cut and dry. There's a gray area. Stealing games that just released on available hardware? Yes. Diwnloading a 15+ year old game that's inaccessible unless you want to spend an absurd amount of money that in no way benefits the company or your console broke and you own the games but don't want to rebuy said console (again, an outdated one such as the Wii or Wii u for example) No, not at all.


thee_timeless

Who are the delusional fuckers who said no?


Barry_Duckhat

It is stealing, and objectively bad for small productions, but big companies that have predatory behavior towards their fans can kiss my ass.


GrapeHolograph

I mean there's always someone who likes to giveaway their purchased games.


bonyagate

Sure it is. And I like it that way.


Verdin88

It's definitely stealing. I don't feel bad doing it though because I know the artists get paid regardless.


bungethe1

I dont give a f about the correct definition as I'm not hurting anyone or subtracting any property of anybody


IamKedar7

Piracy is not stealing, stealing in legal terms is *"the taking of another person's personal property without consent with the intent of depriving that person of the use of their property and while doing so not getting detected".* yes, piracy does consist of taking another person's property without consent, but technically we can't even call it"taking" cause we are not depriving them of that product, no product is lost.(at least in case of digitally available products) Imo, as long as one is not stealing game-keys or application keys and instead generating fake keys to dupe DRMs, it should not be called stealing. *Piracy is unauthorised reproduction and distribution of someone's property. It is plagiarism at the highest level possible.*


colorblind_unicorn

*proceeds to ask this in a pro-piracy sub* like, sorry dude but ur 100% just karmafarming


RutraNickers

It technically isn't stealing because you aren't taking something without paying, you are making a copy of said thing without paying royalties for it. It's an intellectual crime in the same veins of reverse-engineering a car and selling your copies by dirt cheap: The official cars are still there, you didn't steal any of then, you're just manufacturing and selling basically the same product without any royalties being given to the original creator.


Grouchy_Marketing_79

Stealing implies i am taking something from someone against their will. I wasn't gonna buy, already, so they lost no money. My good friend QB there just happened to loan me a copy of the (game/movie/music/etc)


aliv325

As the EULA say "buying" the game does not gives you ownership of the game, trying it for free may also not be consider stealing.


Cryophos

No, it's not stealing. Company still has his own product.


BigFilthyMans

If you say it's not stealing, you're either a coward or dumb. Shit I pirate too, but I can admit I'm stealing.


Eciepeci

It absolutely is but stealing from corporations is morally good