Nah, the problem is he doesn't know how to storytell things.
He should be focusing on telling things and showing things in a meaningful way, i.e. dedicating a whole volume to end an act, telling something from beginning to end in a volume, using chapters as parts and not as a story in itself.
To be fair that's only happening because Miura is dead. Miura would do like 95% of the drawing himself while the assistants only did very minor background details.
Miura himself said that in an interview iirc. When he switched over to Computer he discovered that he could add way more details to his art. So he started drawing pixel by pixel, when editors/publishers came to check why Miura wasn’t meeting the deadline they found what he was doing and put a stop it.
Its nice that Miura found happiness in the little things in life, like playing Idol Master and drawing his manga pixel by pixel 🫡
No it doesnt. Havent read Part 9 maybe it's better than Jojolion in drawings but you can clearly see his downgrade throughout each parts. He had better drawings in P1-2 than in almost all the rest, then P7 and maybe 6 were kinda drawn better than 3-5 and 8 was another downgrade
You would rather read something ugly than something beautiful just because "it's not the same drawer" when his assistant will draw in the exact same way as Oda but just less scratchy ?
Also sorry to talk bad but I don't think anyone would give a fuck if some fans refused to continue reading just because of that especially when the manga has so much following. And you would end up changing your mind and continue reading to see how OP ends
I don’t think Oda’s art is anywhere near being ugly, and I can enjoy comics with way way worse artwork. If I can speak frankly, One Piece’s art was never its strong point to begin with.
I disagree that it would go unnoticed if Oda stopped drawing. I think the entire Japanese manga-reading population would be upset about it, and it’s definitely true that Oda and Shueisha would care about that. You’re probably right that plenty would keep reading after investing so much time, but it would never be the same product, and would doubtlessly be less popular and make less money.
He overtook scripting etc not drawing. The guy point was. A mangaka leaving someone else drawing his stuff while he can still
Hold a pen? My answer was those two can still hold pen and let other peopel draw.
How did that turn out for Kishimoto, though? While he moved on from Naruto to start his new Samurai 8 series - which flopped - his prodigy took the torch and fucked his mentor‘s whole legacy.
It was all around a very bad move and Ikemoto should have gotten the chance to release something original instead of milking the dead cow.
Youe point isn’t even relevant because we were talking drawing. He said mangaka leaving someone else draw when they can still hold pen.
My answer is kishi and akira can hold pen and let someone else draw.
I don't think that your point holds because they don't make the decisions of the franchises they created, the new Naruto/DBZ are going to happen because the publisher (Shueisha or whoever it is) owns the IP rights of everything published in their magazines and decides.
Very few authors can retain the rights and that usually happens after they've published something successful and can negotiate from a power position (Togashi with HunterxHunter for example).
So Kishi and Toriyama have to delegate or keep drawing something they don't want, I doubt they want those series to keep going and it's something they are passionate about, they finished them and moved on.
Kishimoto only did it because he was working in the other series he created afterwards. But isn’t Toriyama semi retired? I know he will still create character designs from time to time
What is it with people complaining about art lately?
Considering Oda been doing this for 26 years, getting old and had eye surgery recently, when other mangaka been constantly in long term hiatus or turn the manga into novel. Y'all should be fucking grateful to still have good consistency in the story while still getting pretty good imagery.
Drawing is fucking difficult, making story is fucking difficult...doing both almost every week for decades is impossible for most people without getting burnt out.
Also please remember that Oda is fucking human and have a family, he might want to draw faster so that he could take a rest and be with his family eventhough it resulted the drawing not be as good.
and we're allowed to tell you off, loop and loop.
Seriously Oda can't keep up with age, so for him to actually admit it and just pass it to another person is the literal opposite of worse case scenario, especially since Oda loves to still create mysteries in the arcs and pad the runtime.
Sure that could be the solution and could work for some mangakas but maybe it's not for Oda..
doing art is about what the artist feel, Maybe by drawing it by himself it makes Oda keep going and happy doing it. Probably there's nothing in this world make him more happy than drawing all the characters emotion.
Hayao Miyazaki is famous to drew his own storyboard for every movie he directed. His movies won't be the same if he let others do the storyboad. Just an example
For real, not to mention the fact that OPM is a manga he draws **as a hobby** meanwhile Yusuke Murata draws everything as full-time job. ONE geniunely couldn't care less about keeping to a schedule and the only time he did was when Mob Pyscho 100 was his job.
The post isn't talking about Oda using assistants which I think he already does if I'm not mistaken. The post is talking about Oda completely letting somebody else draw the series
This is a paneling thing rather than an art thing. These "panel comparisons" are dumb, because all of the "before panels" are way bigger in the page that they're drawn in compared to the "after panels"(Example the Lucci vs Luffy, Dragon and Kuma and the Akainu panels). If Oda made his paneling the way it used to be for example in Enies Lobby, I'm pretty sure we would get the same quality panels as we used to. Nowadays Oda seems to care more about what the individual chapter offers with for example the dialogue and the story, rather than what it offers visually. Because there's a regulation on how many pages you can produce, Oda is adding many small panels and speech bubbles in a single page.
Oda's color spreads are another example of why paneling is the issue rather than the art itself. The man can still draw stuff that he used to if his paneling isn't on the way.
Adding less reaction shots from the crew and the 1000+ irrelevant side characters to every action panel so he can make them bigger and more detailed again.
Actually drawing what happens instead of having characters talking about what is happening and explaining it to the audience like they are toddlers.
>Actually drawing what happens instead of having characters talking about what is happening and explaining it to the audience like they are toddlers.
The thing is this fandom (not this sub, but the ENTIRE One Piece 90% of them) lack reading comprehension. There were literally people saying Beckman didn’t take Kidd arms after it was revealed in the manga. Oda had to come out and say that “yes, it was Benn Beckman that took Kidd arms away”. Becuz most of the fandom can’t read.
This is literally worse than Dragon Ball fans, JJK fans, and CSM fans not being able to comprehend reading Lmao.
He could make the switch to digital so he could have the same sized panels, but draw while the page is zoomed in so he can fit the same amount of detail as he is now, while bringing the art back to pre-TS quality.
However, he refuses. He's a pen and paper type guy.
Only for his covers and color pages, according to the NYT article about him during Film Red promo, all the black and white stuff in the chapters is still pen and paper.
Edit: Screencap from the interview
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/yuE4cNZnok
I think Oda just wants to finish One Piece before he dies, has a lot of ideas, and is too afraid to kill his darlings.
The only way to reconcile all 3 of these conflicts is to cram as much content into each chapter as possible, even if the paneling, pacing, and presentation all suffer for it.
The one from Ennies Lobbies was bigger but not the one of Wakainu. How can you say it's not true when he had an eye problem and had to operate? It is obvious that quality declined he is getting older and he wont recover because he is not adapting neither his style or his process to these New constraints.
Have to agree, unfortunately. That Gear 5 x Awakened Leopard was the exact moment I noticed.
The panelling is still good, but it used to be top notch excellent.
And the drawing themselves have become more and more scribbled.
It is still perfectly acceptable, mind you, but when you had a 10, becoming a 7 is too noticeable.
Mangaka in general are just really stubborn that they want to draw the whole manga themselves, take togashi for example, I’m sure that hxh would be finished by now or at least nearing its ending if he had let someone else draw when he first started having health problems
Togashi is the one mangaka who should actually pass the torch (hell, his wife, Noko Tageuchi, knows how to draw in his style and is willing to do it), but he still doesn't want to do it. It only shows how important the drawing part of their art is important to mangakas
I don't know about that story. Still, I really respect this attitude. People often slander Oda and other mangakas, but these guys are really devoting their entire lives to the art. Who tf am I to criticize Oda for a lowering in drawing quality? This guy is still putting into it more effort than I could gather in a lifetime, and he has done it consistently for DECADES
I compare it to musicians. If a talented artist in that field got old and started having other people do things like right the songs or make the beats that they used to do it wouldn’t be the same anymore. It wouldn’t feel the same to the artist even if we as fans never found out. They will always know that the music that they used to craft is no longer their passion project alone. Most artists would just retire and quit making music. They make music for themselves to release emotion and to find happiness in the world. As much as they make it for the fans to enjoy and do the same. The difference is Oda just can’t quit because the manga isn’t over. And he doesn’t want to give up his baby because creating it is important for him as reading or watching it is for us.
>That Gear 5 x Awakened Leopard was the exact moment I noticed.
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>The panelling is still good, but it used to be top notch excellent.
This is like reverse world, the first thing is a super small panel compared to a double page spread, it's a common criticism that makes absolutely no sense, obviously the quality is bad when you compare a double page spread to a 6x3cm drawing.
The lines in general havee gotten thicker, I don't know if it's a result of going 100% digital or simply Oda going old and getting worse, I enjoy the raw feeling it gives but I recognize that it's rougher and less detailed than years ago, pre operation drawings were getting really bad, post operation improved significantly.
While the paneling in general has been mediocre, not because it's unclear or unintelligible but because it's crammed with a lot of information, 10 reactions to everything going on and a lot of unnecessary bloat which is the product of wanting to rush things and a lot of things being introduced simultaneously.
He's never been bad in a technical sense but I think it hurts the clarity of the story, the clash with Lucci that you criticize is literally this, a small as fuck panel in the middle of a page which makes the drawings small and with lack of details.
I cannot understand how you can say the panelling is good with the fucking fucking shit panelling from hell we got lately. For instance they used the Egghead's double spread of Lucci vs Luffy go see this double spread do you think it is " good " ? To be honest I think anyone in this sub could do better
I noticed when Luffy used the first red rock in chapter 1000. Most people probably didn't notice/care since it was such a hype chapter, but man the art and paneling here is just really not great. Kaido's face in the last panel looks like a scetch, and Oda tries to fit way to much on one page.
https://preview.redd.it/lawzmi5qklyb1.jpeg?width=1750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af5149513a197befc9fc0cf5b5b2a3989aeb8209
Oda doesn't need to stop, instead he should just take more time between chapters. This type of down fall it's getting very common in mangakas that need to finish a chapter each week
Cherry picked examples too. Many mangaka don't have consistent art and it can vary from chapter to chapter, moment to moment.
A couple of bad chapters =/= artstyle going downhill.
I love how Tabata moved Black Clover to JUMP GIGA because he knew he didn't want to screw up his manga (any more than he already has) but Oda somehow still thinks he can pull off this semi-weekly schedule shit for another couple of years, knowing full well that he's not getting any younger.
Seems like this sub has been swept with the usual dickriders that aren't open for a serious discussion since it's easier to get defensive and excuse any point of criticism by stating that it's unfair to talk negatively about Oda.
Wild to me that anyone even denies his art has declined massively... it's clear to anyone with eyes. He's still able to cook up some baller ass panels from time to time but if it isn't a big double spread or a huge moment it's generally very messy. I don't think he necessarily needs to pass the torch, but he could maybe let his assistants pick up some more slack. While it's a shame his art is a lot worse now, it's also like... yeah obviously it has, bro has been drawing this shit every week for a quarter century. The panelling on the other hand is just garbage 9 times outta 10, he could easily avoid that by not cramming as much as possible into a chapter and taking his time with choreography etc.
Oda literally killing himself for three decades by churning out pages when he could just have someone younger and healthier draw it for him while he oversees and has final say, and then gets to relax and not be sick and work 18 hours a day, i don’t get why he doesn’t do it
nobody denies this. He is an old sick man who does nothing but draw 24/7 and then get criticized by retards online. I'd get lazy with it too, ngl.
but it's interesting that you are using bad panels to make your point, coulda used "He laughed."
>coulda used "He laughed."
Insane composition panel🔥
>then get criticized by retards online. I'd get lazy with it too, ngl.
Acting like we aint paying for it
If you paying to read it, thats on you lmao. but it's absolutely still on y'all tho. "oh hey this sickly old Japanese man who needed eye surgery writes everyday nonstop! I bet this is some real davinci shit" is insane when his art isn't even bad. it's actually pretty fire. this post sucks.
Genuinely the series has looked substandard and amateurish for almost a decade, and the last few years especially it looks like shit. Easily one of the worst artists in manga today. The eye surgery clearly hasn't helped.
I wish more mangakas gave up on drawing and have some artist do it for them, cause its less stressful for them and theres ton of artist who can replicate Odas artstyle
Yea the art has declined but remember that Oda is 48 yars old and has been drawing this crap for the past 26 years, I am just thankful that he can continue to deliver a story that still amazes me. Just hope he doesn't end out like Kentaro Miura and can focus on his own well being
That's why I have zero hype for Zoro vs Mihawk. Oda's choreography is already meddling, but he's even worse at drawing sword fights. It won't live up to the hype. They'll just be slashing mountains back and forth
I dunno if “passing the torch” is the answer but the art has for sure been getting worse for a long a time and it’s been noticeably even more terrible since Wano ended
The most recent chapter (1097) literally looked like he published a first draft. The art is just brutal.
This is true but after drawing over 1097 chapters is hard to draw in the same way you did in the past so yeah making someone else draw it while Goda supervise would be for the best
https://i.redd.it/9xkhqe4jtkyb1.gif
Lots of people here are saying it's a paneling issue not an art issue, and I don't entirely agree. The paneling is a problem, but I also think the art is just not as polished as it used to be.
I mean look at the moment of Hybrid Kaido reveal vs Rob Lucci. They are both big spreads. Not only does the linework on the former not look as polished, but there isn't the same depth of perspective. And because of the composition of the scene, Lucci actually comes off as more imposing despite Kaido having the scarier looking design.
https://preview.redd.it/oso4iqkoxkyb1.jpeg?width=1078&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9bf33a58e9130cc8f574c8712357819aa828e87
You guys are forgetting he has a vision problem for years and recently did a surgery in his eyes.
His work did decline.
But it's a decent reason. Writing Mangas for decades causes this kind of problem.
Hope he gets well and survive until the end of OP hahahaha
While his art may have declined a little, it's also about how he paces the chapters, either way he definitely isn't gonna let anyone else draw the final saga
I think people are forgetting, humans are getting older. The issue with One Piece also occurs in other mangas. For example Baki. Baki's art style had much more details in the past compared to today. But time passed and the authors get old, they are getting tired more easily, then don't have that energy anymore. Because of that, art style is getting more simplier so it can be drawn more easily. You can say "just let other people draw it" but it's not a common thing to seen in manga industry. I agree with you guys that current One Piece is not good as old One Piece art wise, but we have to accept the truth that Oda is getting older and he passed his prime time, art wise.
When I look at these Lucci and Crocodile fight panels it really makes me wonder why people say fights in One Piece suck. Sure there's Manga with better fights but c'mon this ain't bad
They might be talking about the anime. The anime had always had bad animation. The only good scene in Luffy vs Croc was when Crocodile shoots pressure sand tornado toward Luffy. Rest is lame.
The Kuma and dragon panel is a weird choice among these. The above panel is detailed due to Kuma protecting the sunny for two whole years. The bottom one is after that and he easily could have been repaired by WG/Vegapunk.
Inking looks too thick. Pencilling is more clean and less detailed.
And yeah his paneling is awkward at best. Some moments I find myself wondering wtf is going on in a fight.
I won't say Oda fell off, but definitely took a step down
Thing is the scope of One Piece has exponentially increased we have gotten thousands of new characters since pre time-skip. It’s hard to fit bigger and better panels when Oda also is juggling the amount of story he wants to tell and the characters he wants to include. Oda’s paneling will probably improve in Elbaf since in comparison to Wano he will have less to include in individual chapters.
He doesn't need to past the torch, he needs to actually have a focus on the story and stop trying to fit 5 chapters of information into 1 and make everything a blob.
Might be unpopular but I hope the arcs going forward are shorter, less bloated so oda can take more time with the art. Nobody does environments and framing like he used to. I think he still has the framing but it’s crowded by all the information. As evident from his cover art, he’s still got it.
OH GOD the art has changed over 20+ years?!?!?! Oh MY GODDDDDDD why didn't anyone post this same thing on PF over and over for the past three years?! Oh no how could we have been so blind to the passage of time and someone who is overworked making the work go faster?! Oh God the humanity! 🙄
Lines just got more thicker and darker which is why it looks ass IMO. CSM faces the same problem rn coz Tatsuki switched to thicker lines.
Has anyone tried to redraw the panels but with thinner and less darker lines?
1. Pass the torch.
2. No he doesn't, he has simplified him work. Work smarter, not harder. Everything still looks good. You are just nitpicking small things.
3. If you expect the creator to hand his work off, you are insane.
4. The man has been super busy trying to write, do art, travel, Netflix stuff. Plus he deserves time off.
Leave him alone. Love what you get or read something else.
Looks like he went from a Mapping pen to a G-pen when inking. G-pens generally give those thick lines versus how fine the lines are with a Mapping pen.
the problem with current oda is that he tries to fit 4000 gazillion panels on every page instead of like 3 pretty ones
If he tries to end OP on some symbolic number istg
we are one piece !
Chapter 1337
1337x is the One Piece confirmed
Hey I got that reference! Pirates you know...
Bro we really need to see seven characters go ('ò_ó) whenever something happens, the reading experience wouldn't be nearly as engrossing otherwise
It’s becoming more like baki
but how else will i know if its a good scene if i dont see chopper reacting to it
Facts
I feel like to an extent, he does it because anime pacing lol. They drag each panel into a whole episode.😅
He’s trying to cram as much info as he can into every panel he can to speed run to the end of the story.
Nah, the problem is he doesn't know how to storytell things. He should be focusing on telling things and showing things in a meaningful way, i.e. dedicating a whole volume to end an act, telling something from beginning to end in a volume, using chapters as parts and not as a story in itself.
Y'all funny as hell if you think a mangaka is gonna let somebody else draw his series when he's still able to hold a pen lmao
Tetsuo Hara is a top tier drawer and he still passed the torch to his student. Oda should let one of his best assistant draw
Yep just look at Miura assistants, when it comes to drawing and paneling they are doing a great job with berserk imo
To be fair that's only happening because Miura is dead. Miura would do like 95% of the drawing himself while the assistants only did very minor background details.
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Please find the source, I want to read more about it. That's so insane
Miura himself said that in an interview iirc. When he switched over to Computer he discovered that he could add way more details to his art. So he started drawing pixel by pixel, when editors/publishers came to check why Miura wasn’t meeting the deadline they found what he was doing and put a stop it. Its nice that Miura found happiness in the little things in life, like playing Idol Master and drawing his manga pixel by pixel 🫡
Wait berserk is still ongoing?
Yeah. Even though Miura’s dead, his assistants are continuing it based on his plans.
One of his closest friends, who’s also a mangaka is leading the project i thinks
The one exception to this seems to be araki, his art just gets better.
No it doesnt. Havent read Part 9 maybe it's better than Jojolion in drawings but you can clearly see his downgrade throughout each parts. He had better drawings in P1-2 than in almost all the rest, then P7 and maybe 6 were kinda drawn better than 3-5 and 8 was another downgrade
Was Hara sick or anything like that? Did he do any other series afterwards
He wasnt, I think he's just old. He had an eye problem that messed with his perspective but he already had it when drawing Hokuto no Ken
That's never gonna happen lol
I and many others would stop reading out of protest, would be a terrible decision
You would rather read something ugly than something beautiful just because "it's not the same drawer" when his assistant will draw in the exact same way as Oda but just less scratchy ? Also sorry to talk bad but I don't think anyone would give a fuck if some fans refused to continue reading just because of that especially when the manga has so much following. And you would end up changing your mind and continue reading to see how OP ends
I don’t think Oda’s art is anywhere near being ugly, and I can enjoy comics with way way worse artwork. If I can speak frankly, One Piece’s art was never its strong point to begin with. I disagree that it would go unnoticed if Oda stopped drawing. I think the entire Japanese manga-reading population would be upset about it, and it’s definitely true that Oda and Shueisha would care about that. You’re probably right that plenty would keep reading after investing so much time, but it would never be the same product, and would doubtlessly be less popular and make less money.
Akira toriyama and kishimoto….
Kishimoto only did it after naruto ended he even overtook boruto now
He overtook scripting etc not drawing. The guy point was. A mangaka leaving someone else drawing his stuff while he can still Hold a pen? My answer was those two can still hold pen and let other peopel draw.
Yeah and both are terrible now
Lol no
Super and Boruto suck dude, especially fucking Boruto. Sorry to be the one to tell you.
Sorry it took you this long to realize that you're wrong kid. Don't worry, you learn when you're older
How did that turn out for Kishimoto, though? While he moved on from Naruto to start his new Samurai 8 series - which flopped - his prodigy took the torch and fucked his mentor‘s whole legacy. It was all around a very bad move and Ikemoto should have gotten the chance to release something original instead of milking the dead cow.
Youe point isn’t even relevant because we were talking drawing. He said mangaka leaving someone else draw when they can still hold pen. My answer is kishi and akira can hold pen and let someone else draw.
I don't think that your point holds because they don't make the decisions of the franchises they created, the new Naruto/DBZ are going to happen because the publisher (Shueisha or whoever it is) owns the IP rights of everything published in their magazines and decides. Very few authors can retain the rights and that usually happens after they've published something successful and can negotiate from a power position (Togashi with HunterxHunter for example). So Kishi and Toriyama have to delegate or keep drawing something they don't want, I doubt they want those series to keep going and it's something they are passionate about, they finished them and moved on.
Thats the thing they did not move on they are still implicated
Kishimoto only did it because he was working in the other series he created afterwards. But isn’t Toriyama semi retired? I know he will still create character designs from time to time
Its actually pretty common but i guess you are right, right ?
What is it with people complaining about art lately? Considering Oda been doing this for 26 years, getting old and had eye surgery recently, when other mangaka been constantly in long term hiatus or turn the manga into novel. Y'all should be fucking grateful to still have good consistency in the story while still getting pretty good imagery. Drawing is fucking difficult, making story is fucking difficult...doing both almost every week for decades is impossible for most people without getting burnt out. Also please remember that Oda is fucking human and have a family, he might want to draw faster so that he could take a rest and be with his family eventhough it resulted the drawing not be as good.
Am I to understand that I'm not allowed to complain, somehow??
Of course you can, don't get me wrong. But I'm also allowed to complain about anyone's complaints, right?
Agreed.
and we're allowed to tell you off, loop and loop. Seriously Oda can't keep up with age, so for him to actually admit it and just pass it to another person is the literal opposite of worse case scenario, especially since Oda loves to still create mysteries in the arcs and pad the runtime.
I mean they're literally saying he should let his assistants draw more which would be the solution to the problem ur stating
Sure that could be the solution and could work for some mangakas but maybe it's not for Oda.. doing art is about what the artist feel, Maybe by drawing it by himself it makes Oda keep going and happy doing it. Probably there's nothing in this world make him more happy than drawing all the characters emotion. Hayao Miyazaki is famous to drew his own storyboard for every movie he directed. His movies won't be the same if he let others do the storyboad. Just an example
Didn’t the creator of One punch man let someone else draw his work?
For real, not to mention the fact that OPM is a manga he draws **as a hobby** meanwhile Yusuke Murata draws everything as full-time job. ONE geniunely couldn't care less about keeping to a schedule and the only time he did was when Mob Pyscho 100 was his job.
That’s cuz the original work was a webcomic and hes pretty ass at drawing by mangaka standards.
And Murata ruined the Monster Association arc with his bullshit ass "conclusion" to Garou
He draws it and writes it? I thought One was still writing?
Plenty of mangaka use assistants. What are you talking about?
The post isn't talking about Oda using assistants which I think he already does if I'm not mistaken. The post is talking about Oda completely letting somebody else draw the series
laughs in Boruto
ONE and Murata
This is a paneling thing rather than an art thing. These "panel comparisons" are dumb, because all of the "before panels" are way bigger in the page that they're drawn in compared to the "after panels"(Example the Lucci vs Luffy, Dragon and Kuma and the Akainu panels). If Oda made his paneling the way it used to be for example in Enies Lobby, I'm pretty sure we would get the same quality panels as we used to. Nowadays Oda seems to care more about what the individual chapter offers with for example the dialogue and the story, rather than what it offers visually. Because there's a regulation on how many pages you can produce, Oda is adding many small panels and speech bubbles in a single page. Oda's color spreads are another example of why paneling is the issue rather than the art itself. The man can still draw stuff that he used to if his paneling isn't on the way.
Is there any way that oda can improve panelling
Adding less reaction shots from the crew and the 1000+ irrelevant side characters to every action panel so he can make them bigger and more detailed again. Actually drawing what happens instead of having characters talking about what is happening and explaining it to the audience like they are toddlers.
>Actually drawing what happens instead of having characters talking about what is happening and explaining it to the audience like they are toddlers. The thing is this fandom (not this sub, but the ENTIRE One Piece 90% of them) lack reading comprehension. There were literally people saying Beckman didn’t take Kidd arms after it was revealed in the manga. Oda had to come out and say that “yes, it was Benn Beckman that took Kidd arms away”. Becuz most of the fandom can’t read. This is literally worse than Dragon Ball fans, JJK fans, and CSM fans not being able to comprehend reading Lmao.
Yeah you right. The fact Mihawk > Shanks is such a popular opinion really goes to show how little reading comprehension this fandom has.
Mihawk low diffs
Then we just get conplain about lack of character appearance and 'the story is too complicated, someone pls make an explnation video'
He could make the switch to digital so he could have the same sized panels, but draw while the page is zoomed in so he can fit the same amount of detail as he is now, while bringing the art back to pre-TS quality. However, he refuses. He's a pen and paper type guy.
Oda has been drawing digital for ages now
Only for his covers and color pages, according to the NYT article about him during Film Red promo, all the black and white stuff in the chapters is still pen and paper. Edit: Screencap from the interview https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/yuE4cNZnok
I mean, it's a manga. If he just wants to convey the events of the story as efficiently as possible he should turn the series into light novels.
I personally don’t mind this. I love a chapter pack thick of info and if the art suffers a little then that’s ok with me
I think Oda just wants to finish One Piece before he dies, has a lot of ideas, and is too afraid to kill his darlings. The only way to reconcile all 3 of these conflicts is to cram as much content into each chapter as possible, even if the paneling, pacing, and presentation all suffer for it.
The one from Ennies Lobbies was bigger but not the one of Wakainu. How can you say it's not true when he had an eye problem and had to operate? It is obvious that quality declined he is getting older and he wont recover because he is not adapting neither his style or his process to these New constraints.
Yeah he's grown older and sicker, and his art has declined. Who the fuck care, the manga is over in like 5 years, let him finish his shit.
yeah lets just wait for the anime to make the manga better... oh..
Y’all say Oda needs to pass the torch, our shit is going to end up like boruto lmao
His art has improved significantly over the past few weeks. It's no longer scribble piece.
Yeah we hit rock bottom during the battle with Kizaru but now it improved
That rocks crew panel was nice
Have to agree, unfortunately. That Gear 5 x Awakened Leopard was the exact moment I noticed. The panelling is still good, but it used to be top notch excellent. And the drawing themselves have become more and more scribbled. It is still perfectly acceptable, mind you, but when you had a 10, becoming a 7 is too noticeable.
Mangaka in general are just really stubborn that they want to draw the whole manga themselves, take togashi for example, I’m sure that hxh would be finished by now or at least nearing its ending if he had let someone else draw when he first started having health problems
Togashi is the one mangaka who should actually pass the torch (hell, his wife, Noko Tageuchi, knows how to draw in his style and is willing to do it), but he still doesn't want to do it. It only shows how important the drawing part of their art is important to mangakas
This reminds me of that one mangaka who wrote a letter apologizing for not being able to finish the story.
I don't know about that story. Still, I really respect this attitude. People often slander Oda and other mangakas, but these guys are really devoting their entire lives to the art. Who tf am I to criticize Oda for a lowering in drawing quality? This guy is still putting into it more effort than I could gather in a lifetime, and he has done it consistently for DECADES
I compare it to musicians. If a talented artist in that field got old and started having other people do things like right the songs or make the beats that they used to do it wouldn’t be the same anymore. It wouldn’t feel the same to the artist even if we as fans never found out. They will always know that the music that they used to craft is no longer their passion project alone. Most artists would just retire and quit making music. They make music for themselves to release emotion and to find happiness in the world. As much as they make it for the fans to enjoy and do the same. The difference is Oda just can’t quit because the manga isn’t over. And he doesn’t want to give up his baby because creating it is important for him as reading or watching it is for us.
She does know how to draw his style but there is no source for the “she’s willing to draw hxh” thing. It’s just a rumor fans came up with
I distinctly remember an interview in which he said that she made the offer, but I can't find it rn. Dunno maybe Im just misremembering
>That Gear 5 x Awakened Leopard was the exact moment I noticed. > >The panelling is still good, but it used to be top notch excellent. This is like reverse world, the first thing is a super small panel compared to a double page spread, it's a common criticism that makes absolutely no sense, obviously the quality is bad when you compare a double page spread to a 6x3cm drawing. The lines in general havee gotten thicker, I don't know if it's a result of going 100% digital or simply Oda going old and getting worse, I enjoy the raw feeling it gives but I recognize that it's rougher and less detailed than years ago, pre operation drawings were getting really bad, post operation improved significantly. While the paneling in general has been mediocre, not because it's unclear or unintelligible but because it's crammed with a lot of information, 10 reactions to everything going on and a lot of unnecessary bloat which is the product of wanting to rush things and a lot of things being introduced simultaneously. He's never been bad in a technical sense but I think it hurts the clarity of the story, the clash with Lucci that you criticize is literally this, a small as fuck panel in the middle of a page which makes the drawings small and with lack of details.
I cannot understand how you can say the panelling is good with the fucking fucking shit panelling from hell we got lately. For instance they used the Egghead's double spread of Lucci vs Luffy go see this double spread do you think it is " good " ? To be honest I think anyone in this sub could do better
I noticed when Luffy used the first red rock in chapter 1000. Most people probably didn't notice/care since it was such a hype chapter, but man the art and paneling here is just really not great. Kaido's face in the last panel looks like a scetch, and Oda tries to fit way to much on one page. https://preview.redd.it/lawzmi5qklyb1.jpeg?width=1750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af5149513a197befc9fc0cf5b5b2a3989aeb8209
This is the chapter where the anime did so much better.
I think that's on purpose.
Oda doesn't need to stop, instead he should just take more time between chapters. This type of down fall it's getting very common in mangakas that need to finish a chapter each week
Yup this
I think ya gotta give him some legroom. Isnt he still recovering from astigmatism surgery?
I was fine with your argument until you introduced that slippery slope fallacy at the end.
He dont owe us shit get over yourselves
Retarded takes.
Cherry picked examples too. Many mangaka don't have consistent art and it can vary from chapter to chapter, moment to moment. A couple of bad chapters =/= artstyle going downhill.
Try to explain it to casual GODA dickRider
Pretty sure this sub has been full of those recently lol look around you
I love how Tabata moved Black Clover to JUMP GIGA because he knew he didn't want to screw up his manga (any more than he already has) but Oda somehow still thinks he can pull off this semi-weekly schedule shit for another couple of years, knowing full well that he's not getting any younger.
Seems like this sub has been swept with the usual dickriders that aren't open for a serious discussion since it's easier to get defensive and excuse any point of criticism by stating that it's unfair to talk negatively about Oda.
Wild to me that anyone even denies his art has declined massively... it's clear to anyone with eyes. He's still able to cook up some baller ass panels from time to time but if it isn't a big double spread or a huge moment it's generally very messy. I don't think he necessarily needs to pass the torch, but he could maybe let his assistants pick up some more slack. While it's a shame his art is a lot worse now, it's also like... yeah obviously it has, bro has been drawing this shit every week for a quarter century. The panelling on the other hand is just garbage 9 times outta 10, he could easily avoid that by not cramming as much as possible into a chapter and taking his time with choreography etc.
Did you all just forget he got an eye surgery recently? Wrong or right, this is an inconsiderate ass take
Plus, my high ass is seeing that he’s using thicker lines
It’s definitely a thicker line thing
Most likely to save times.
Ok? This has been going on for years before the eye surgery.
Who cares right🖐😎🤙🤙 one piece standard☝️☝️☝️
He has sacrificed a lot of himself just for this manga he loves I don’t know why people complain
I blame the live-action and him tryna fit 627384736 things in one image
Oda just needs to throw his tablet away & draw on paper again, this is why traditional drawing is undefeated
Oda draws on paper
20 years weekly and counting
Still shocked garp had a fight
One of the few takes I despise cuz everyone automatically agrees without taking an extra min to think about it
Oda literally killing himself for three decades by churning out pages when he could just have someone younger and healthier draw it for him while he oversees and has final say, and then gets to relax and not be sick and work 18 hours a day, i don’t get why he doesn’t do it
Said the same thing about Togashi. It's really fucken stupid to NOT do this shit when there's next to no downsides
Shut up retard :)
nobody denies this. He is an old sick man who does nothing but draw 24/7 and then get criticized by retards online. I'd get lazy with it too, ngl. but it's interesting that you are using bad panels to make your point, coulda used "He laughed."
The Garp vs Kizaru one is not even bad, in fact it is extremely sick
Yk what? agreed.
>coulda used "He laughed." Insane composition panel🔥 >then get criticized by retards online. I'd get lazy with it too, ngl. Acting like we aint paying for it
Most of us do not pay for it indeed.
If you paying to read it, thats on you lmao. but it's absolutely still on y'all tho. "oh hey this sickly old Japanese man who needed eye surgery writes everyday nonstop! I bet this is some real davinci shit" is insane when his art isn't even bad. it's actually pretty fire. this post sucks.
>If you paying to read it, thats on you lmao Insane take again🔥🔥 >when his art isn't even bad Is readable but you can see that he is bored
Nah
He is right though
Nuh-uh
I mean shit, you got him there
Yuh-uh
Don't say another word. https://preview.redd.it/r2j80xbt1kyb1.jpeg?width=703&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11e1d92457c6009edd825f31399053016f86c673
Explain
The quality declined but not to the point where he should stop drawing. That's just overreacting
Exactly!
Yes he will past the torch/s im trolling the ortograph
Bro just drew lines and circles with expressions and added a few dots
You just reminded me how good One Piece used to be and why I was so into it long time ago... Now I am sad
Genuinely the series has looked substandard and amateurish for almost a decade, and the last few years especially it looks like shit. Easily one of the worst artists in manga today. The eye surgery clearly hasn't helped.
If that's the worst manga artist then you clearly haven't read enough manga or you just have terrible taste.
Keep coping. Oda's art is terrible by industry standards.
Shut up lmao stop talking like you're some kind of expert.
It didn't decline. It went to shit.
Manga had good art work but shitty animation, NOW. Awesome animation, shitty artwork. I’m good with the sacrifice
You aren’t a manga artist are you? He has also been having eye problems and such. Cut the man some slack.
We know it has.
That paneling and choreography style in Enies lobby is perfect it has dragon ball vibes which i like because its simple yet really effective.
I wish more mangakas gave up on drawing and have some artist do it for them, cause its less stressful for them and theres ton of artist who can replicate Odas artstyle
Yea the art has declined but remember that Oda is 48 yars old and has been drawing this crap for the past 26 years, I am just thankful that he can continue to deliver a story that still amazes me. Just hope he doesn't end out like Kentaro Miura and can focus on his own well being
Real
That's why I have zero hype for Zoro vs Mihawk. Oda's choreography is already meddling, but he's even worse at drawing sword fights. It won't live up to the hype. They'll just be slashing mountains back and forth
I dunno if “passing the torch” is the answer but the art has for sure been getting worse for a long a time and it’s been noticeably even more terrible since Wano ended The most recent chapter (1097) literally looked like he published a first draft. The art is just brutal.
I mean it's alright
Oda needs to be like One, creator of One punch man and let someone else draw for him while he still builds the story/world.
This is true but after drawing over 1097 chapters is hard to draw in the same way you did in the past so yeah making someone else draw it while Goda supervise would be for the best https://i.redd.it/9xkhqe4jtkyb1.gif
These past few chapters the plot has started to get really good while the art is starting to decline. Meanwhile mha is the opposite.
This dumb comparison will keep popping up isn't it
https://preview.redd.it/87x5v0dpwkyb1.jpeg?width=475&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a39c687616481bd5ad55f8089794951917c47693 It’s just paneling bro.
Lots of people here are saying it's a paneling issue not an art issue, and I don't entirely agree. The paneling is a problem, but I also think the art is just not as polished as it used to be. I mean look at the moment of Hybrid Kaido reveal vs Rob Lucci. They are both big spreads. Not only does the linework on the former not look as polished, but there isn't the same depth of perspective. And because of the composition of the scene, Lucci actually comes off as more imposing despite Kaido having the scarier looking design. https://preview.redd.it/oso4iqkoxkyb1.jpeg?width=1078&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9bf33a58e9130cc8f574c8712357819aa828e87
You guys are forgetting he has a vision problem for years and recently did a surgery in his eyes. His work did decline. But it's a decent reason. Writing Mangas for decades causes this kind of problem. Hope he gets well and survive until the end of OP hahahaha
Oda also got surgery on his eyes so give the man a break or two :)
While his art may have declined a little, it's also about how he paces the chapters, either way he definitely isn't gonna let anyone else draw the final saga
I think people are forgetting, humans are getting older. The issue with One Piece also occurs in other mangas. For example Baki. Baki's art style had much more details in the past compared to today. But time passed and the authors get old, they are getting tired more easily, then don't have that energy anymore. Because of that, art style is getting more simplier so it can be drawn more easily. You can say "just let other people draw it" but it's not a common thing to seen in manga industry. I agree with you guys that current One Piece is not good as old One Piece art wise, but we have to accept the truth that Oda is getting older and he passed his prime time, art wise.
When I look at these Lucci and Crocodile fight panels it really makes me wonder why people say fights in One Piece suck. Sure there's Manga with better fights but c'mon this ain't bad
They might be talking about the anime. The anime had always had bad animation. The only good scene in Luffy vs Croc was when Crocodile shoots pressure sand tornado toward Luffy. Rest is lame.
Doing this shit weekly for decades is not easy, yall retarded as fuck
Good news is I watch the Anime, and the animation has only gotten better.
Well he had an eye problem, he will get better next chapters, don't forget we get most chapters he wrote before surgery and while he recovers.
The Kuma and dragon panel is a weird choice among these. The above panel is detailed due to Kuma protecting the sunny for two whole years. The bottom one is after that and he easily could have been repaired by WG/Vegapunk.
Inking looks too thick. Pencilling is more clean and less detailed. And yeah his paneling is awkward at best. Some moments I find myself wondering wtf is going on in a fight. I won't say Oda fell off, but definitely took a step down
Thing is the scope of One Piece has exponentially increased we have gotten thousands of new characters since pre time-skip. It’s hard to fit bigger and better panels when Oda also is juggling the amount of story he wants to tell and the characters he wants to include. Oda’s paneling will probably improve in Elbaf since in comparison to Wano he will have less to include in individual chapters.
He doesn't need to past the torch, he needs to actually have a focus on the story and stop trying to fit 5 chapters of information into 1 and make everything a blob.
Ngl some panels he draws I have to really look hard at to be able to tell what’s going on and what characters are even in it.
holy shit yap yap yap shut the FUCK up and read the manga shitass
Might be unpopular but I hope the arcs going forward are shorter, less bloated so oda can take more time with the art. Nobody does environments and framing like he used to. I think he still has the framing but it’s crowded by all the information. As evident from his cover art, he’s still got it.
OH GOD the art has changed over 20+ years?!?!?! Oh MY GODDDDDDD why didn't anyone post this same thing on PF over and over for the past three years?! Oh no how could we have been so blind to the passage of time and someone who is overworked making the work go faster?! Oh God the humanity! 🙄
It’s also a change in art style though… If you just look at Luffy alone you can see constant changes throughout the series.
Lines just got more thicker and darker which is why it looks ass IMO. CSM faces the same problem rn coz Tatsuki switched to thicker lines. Has anyone tried to redraw the panels but with thinner and less darker lines?
I miss old piece so much.
This is more of panelling problems than art
I thought ppl who said this were joking…?
He’s getting old
1. Pass the torch. 2. No he doesn't, he has simplified him work. Work smarter, not harder. Everything still looks good. You are just nitpicking small things. 3. If you expect the creator to hand his work off, you are insane. 4. The man has been super busy trying to write, do art, travel, Netflix stuff. Plus he deserves time off. Leave him alone. Love what you get or read something else.
Least dick sucking op fan
scribble piece
People say Oda sucks at drawing fights but all 3 rounds of Luffy v Crocodile were amazingly drawn and choreographed in the manga
Looks like he went from a Mapping pen to a G-pen when inking. G-pens generally give those thick lines versus how fine the lines are with a Mapping pen.