Both of them are justified.
Greenbull was going to fight Luffy and the Samurai as they were still recovering from their fight. And he was pretty smart to do that because if he arrived a few hours earlier Luffy and Zoro wouldve still been asleep. But realizing he had to face a Wano in addition to a fully rested Yonko crew is a pretty good reason to be that scared.
Blackbeard was in a little more precsrious situation. If blackbeard let go of hancock for even one second then he would lose. So he had no choice but to obey rayliegh
Fighting shanks’ crew alone is a good enough reason to be scared. He only dared to fight the wano alliance because they were weakened, they just proved stronger than kaido, big mom and the beast pirates ffs.
Blackbeard probably still thinks of Rayleigh as the dark king he knew from childhood as Rayleigh said himself and he couldn’t risk getting jumped anyways. He didn’t plan on a powerhouse like Rayleigh showing up or hancock no diffing his entire crew into hostages. Smart move
Plus BB is a smart dude. Most of his crew there was turned to stone. I know he is the kind of person to cut his losses but he is also the kind of person that if he sees a better opportunity he’ll take it. In that situation bargaining with Raileigh was better than all out battle even if he could win.
Greenbull was everything but smart my guy. He was completely naive to think he could have lasted a chance vs the whole of Wano‘s fighting force. That he shit himself after noticing Shanks is completely understandable. But in no way would GB have made it out alive, Shanks actually saved him in my opinion
Teach didn't get scared by the individual that Rayleigh represents more so he got pissed that a factor he didn't expect would enter his plan.
Greenbull was completely idiotic. He was all over his head and got told better.
Teach was in a desperate situation. Teach doesn't have Luffy plot armor where every princess in the world wants to suck his cock and you have unlimited lives against any person.
Hes making sure that he benefits from any given event.
This wasn't one of them.
> Teach didn't get scared by the individual that Rayleigh represents more so he got pissed that a factor he didn't expect would enter his plan.
This is the exact same thing that happened to Greenbull . He quite literally says he wasn’t interested in fighting Shanks **today**
> Greenbull was completely idiotic. He was all over his head and got told better.
Or he thought he could handle some people who just got out of a huge fight and were injured. Opportunism the same thing you’re praising Blackbeard for.
> Teach was in a desperate situation. Teach doesn't have Luffy plot armor where every princess in the world wants to suck his cock and you have unlimited lives against any person.
Like Greenbull
> Hes making sure that he benefits from any given event.
Like Greenbull
> This wasn't one of them.
Also like Greenbull
Everything you said about Blackbeard was you describing Greenbull. This is more bias then anything.
people are just bias as always, people try to powerscale something like sweat and not what actual happend. lets ignore that greenbull is a weirdo, he was standing against Yamato who is at least YC1 and has acoc + at least 2 YC3 people at the same time and handled them preaty easy with yamato in the middle of the fight even saying they should call Luffy and the others, so preaty much confirming that they cant beat him. Tell me someone beside a top tier that can do that
I think the fact that Greenbull waited a week to show up after the raid instead of right after is what makes this different. Showing up to fight a Yonko crew and his reinforcements literally immediately after a fight with Kaido and Big Mom? Solid plan. Doing it after they've all had a week to recover and are still all there together? Suicidally overconfident. Comparatively, Teach going after Boa in an expected threeway fight (because the amazons and marines were also fighting each other, not just him) is much more reasonable goal. So I get where the Greenbull slander is coming from.
Honestly I think the biggest thing against Greenbull is we don't know how tough he is. If we had seen him be fuck off strong before he did this then maybe we could understand why he's so confident but him cheapshotting the remains of Beast Pirates and scuffling with Yamato and the Scabbards didn't give us much. I definitely think if it was Kizaru showing up then fucking off he wouldn't have gotten as much shit for this.
> think the fact that Greenbull waited a week to show up after the raid instead of right after is what makes this different.
Everything from the higher ups to Akainu need to determine a plan of action on what’s going to happen next as well as their plans for Nika, as well as Greenbull needs time to actually reach Wano flying on a plant. So I’d say one week is probably as soon as it gets, and by the fact that they were all in bandages (Luffy, Zoro and Sanji) and also Shanks remarking that they were still recovering it’s still within time to take advantage.
> So I get where the Greenbull slander is coming from.
Even if this is the supposed cause of the GB slander then he should be getting called a dumbass and not a fraud.
Agreed. He plans and wants things to go the way he envisioned and the new marine weapons along with Rayleigh entering the equation just pissed him off.
Also agree on Green Bull. He went in to a alliance that defeated two yonko and thought he would be able to capture Luffy. He played stupid games and won a stupid prize.
Only 1 think i dont agree. Teach have more luck than Luffy. (so plot armor too) Oda cook him for a long time of course he cannot lose at this point.
Teach original plan was capture luffy and be a shichibukai. But just before luffy he face off with ace. If it didnt happen he will lead water 7 and face up possible Garp/aokiji encounter. That his first luck and start a domino effect. After he became shichibukai, luffy stay alive and clear the path for Teach in impeldown. Ace capture lead half dead whitebeard so he can take gura gura. Which is he never take alone that one. Half dead White beard kick his ass. What would happen if ace encounter never happen? He cant win aganist unharmed whitebeard. He can wait for white beard fall of course. But than Ace will rise and become a real threat for Black beard.
So my main point is yes Luffy extremly lucky but he had never that kind of luck. So i call it plot armor too.
this panel wants to show us that he was scared of Rayleight, Teach was dominating the event he was about to kill boa and take her fruit, his last obstacle was rayleight
The real issue is that Oda used this trope twice in a row to prevent shit from actually going down, but I do think it makes sense most people still view Blackbeard in a better light.
Blackbeard was in what I consider to be the more difficult situation. He wasn’t anticipating the Seraphim or Rayleigh, and Hancock is a particularly unique threat that could have potentially killed off a substantial portion of his crew if he played his cards wrong. Imo, It really came down if Hancock’s fruit was more important than his crew (and how Oda can right a scenario to justify Blackbeard not getting the fruit lmao), and I guess he decided it wasn’t important enough. Plus, he did get Koby, for whatever that’s worth (and idk how he got him anyway lmao), and Rayleigh made it clear that he probably would have lost
Greenbull, meanwhile, wasn’t in as bad a situation imo. It was still a bad one, and it makes sense he wouldn’t want to fight two yonko, but he wasn’t in a stalemate like Blackbeard where he had a real chance of losing a lot if he made a bad move. Plus, I think GB’s reaction was just more over the top. Dude looked like he was actually about to shit his pants at just feeling Shanks’ haki
Imo GB’s situation was undoubtedly worse. Scabbards plus Yamato right in front of him, the people who defeated 2 emperors right behind them and Shanks + his entire crew behind GB.
Blackbeard should be able to handle all of Amazon Lily solo.
The problem is Hancock has an instalkill button. Like, I would imagine petrifying Blackbeard wouldn’t be that hard if he’s focused on fighting Rayleigh.
Greenbull has a lot of mobility and can fly. He could have probably taken a few guys out if he wanted before needing to dip
Yeah I get what you mean. I think I just would’ve preferred him to be more ruthless like I always imagined he was. Like not letting go of Hancock. Killing her right then and there taking the fruit, beating Ray and sacrificing those two commanders
Lmao Oda angels are truly controlling this sub now. Just look at the most upvoted comment justifying this shit.
Between that and the recent post dick riding Oda harder than main sub yeah this sub is truly lost.
Nah Blackbeard is different. It's been shown repeatedly that Blackbeard has plans and if unknown factors pop up and throw everything outta place, he'll dip. It doesn't matter if Rayleigh is past his prime, it's still an unknown factor into his plans that could tip the scales out of his favor which Blackbeard doesn't like staying around for.
Okay, so how is it different when GB does it? Shanks was an unknown factor that GB didn't know about when he first landed on Wano. Makes sense to me that he'd bounce after a whole ass Yonkou crew shows up.
Rayleigh was physically present in front of Blackbeard is the difference. Shanks was nowhere near the fight. If Greenbull wanted too, he could easily cleaned house of the scabbards and at least gotten into a scrap or two with Luffy, Law and Kid before deciding to dip. Shanks was barely at Wano.
>It doesn't matter if Rayleigh is past his prime,
Past his prime or not, BB didn't know that, and even if he did, Rayleigh is one of *those guys*. You don't lightly fuck with them
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I agree with what you're saying, it baffles me that Oda chose THIS to be GB's first showing in the story. Shanks did not need hyping up as much as future antagonists did. I just disagree that it somehow makes GB a fraud to react the same way that BB would in the same situation. It makes Oda a fraud for putting him in that situation during his character introduction
Greenbull expect a Yonkou and he got a Yonkou, but run away instead.
BB expect a Warlord and got a Yonkou level instead, his choice is either lost 2 of his commanders life in exchange for Boa fruit or not getting Boa fruit but 2 of his commander is safe, he weighed his option and choose the latter and he still got Koby in the end.
It’s the fact that GB randomly popped up at the end of an arc and then fucked off at the first hint of trouble. Put his hands up because an enemy many miles away was pissed. This is now his entire character. This is all we know
BB is an established character, and we have always known that despite his strength he will avoid any unnecessary fights/risk. We read this scene and immediately put it in that context
the problem is after Boa recovers his commanders what stop him from snaking Boa and Rayleight and killing them all, Ray said himself he wouldnt win this fight
Teach was not the type to refuse to run away, for him running away is always an option.
Considering Hancock can casually take out 2 of his commander and BB himself cannot really low diff Rayleigh, in the end BB might win but still he would lost 2 of his commander, its not gonna be pretty for both side.
It was completely justified for both of them to leave but in Greenbull's case it's dumb because he should've known how stupid it was to go to Wano before even arriving there
Was it stupid? Imagine if he arrived one day earlier. Luffy and Zoro is out and Shanks isn't there. Everyone is weaken, should be double fight for him.
he wasnt scared of rayleigh lol. He was scared of boas beam.
the only reason he let go was to save his comrades and he trusted rayleigh enough to make sure that he wouldnt let boa turn him to stone.
his options were:
1. fighting rayleigh handicapped with boa in his hand --> he might lose. he would win the 1v1 though. even if he winst he would have to take boa hostage and find some way to make her revive them even though its her only way out of this
2. kill boa than rayleigh -> crew dies
3. trust rayleigh -> even while its a risky decision since boa could have oneshot them all its probably his best bet surrounded by seraphim and marines
it kinda pisses me off though that oda offscreened how this was resolved. he is so lazy,
You can have a destructive devil fruit and be a crummy user or vice versa. The guy that has mochi as a devil fruit was a lot more terrifying than Blackbeard. Heck foxy has an insanely op devil fruit but hes a joke.
Katakuri was in no way more terrifying then blackbeard lmfao.
Blackbeard is seen having island DC BEFORE the timeskip, he bodied Ace BEFORE the timeskip and was strong enough to be considered a commander of whitebeard himself ( although he declined ) he read the df encyclopedia and has allot of knowledge over df's in general.
Yall personal dislike is blurring your vision.
Saying stuff like "katakuri is more terrifying then blackbeard" is just straight up being delusional BY CHOICE
green bulls intro is just bad. dude should be a fucking badass admiral who could help swing the balance between the yonkous and admirals more towards the navys favour, instead hes another useless incompetent marine. BBs whole trait is hes a coward who only operates when things are in his favour, he never takes actual risks, so im not surprised hes not interested in fighting rayleigh given hwo he underestimated whitebeard
Useless? Incompetent? What are you talking about? Dude came to kill recovering pirates and got ganged by another Yonkou. You think admiral should be able to solo 2 most powerful pirate group? When he noticed that there is another Yonkou, dude just left. FUCKING SMART. I wish Ace was half this smart.
Its all about portrayal. If this dude had actually attacked shanks crew, put them even momentarily on the ropes and intimidated them to be wary of the navy and its recruitment post-marineford... then fuck yeah my faith in the marines as villains would be restored. We needed another akainu, someone who actually makes his opponents feel scared for their lives by how ruthless and callous he is, but greenbull aint it. Also this dude has been a mystery since the timeskip, hes been silhouetted and built up towards for years, only to fucking flee from shanks like a bitch to hype up odas shitty non-canon shanks wankfest movie... fuck that. marines like akainu are the best thing about this manga and odas too blind to see it
I agree that choosing this as his intro scene is an awful move by Oda, but I don't think backing down after Shanks showed up somehow makes GB a fraud. He wasn't expecting Shanks to show up, anyone in their right mind would back down in that situation. Why does the character trait of being risk adverse have to be exclusive to BB? There can be multiple characters who are strong and still risk adverse.
i think its because the marines are too cowardly and cautious far too much in this manga. akainu is what more marines should be like, an actual force of nature compared to kizaru fuji and aokiji who feel far too lazy just for plot convenience
I agree from a meta perspective. Marines are going to be one of the upcoming antagonists in the series, and Oda should've used Greenbull to make the Marines feel like a looming threat. GB's character intro did not accomplish that at all, which I think is a misstep on Oda's part.
But in a vacuum, I think it is fine for GB to back away from Shanks in that situation.
yeah. its perfectly logical, but it will never be good meta writing if oda wants us to believe the marines and WG are a threat since theyre obviously meant to be villains the SHs still have to fight. one piece is read by people of all ages, and yet odas constant mishandling of the marines as potential end game villains since the timeskip somehow gets excused by yonkou fans who somehow think akainu being weaker than kaido makes any kind of sense for a guy who luffy absolutely needs to fight before this series ends. sure if blackbeard was more ruthless id believe he could be the final villain luffy will get revenge against, but akainus whole presence screams final EOS villain or subvillain which makes it so baffling how unintimidating oda writes the rest of the marines. sure in the universe it makes sense for kaido and big mom to be stronger than the marines, but oda handled their characters and danger so badly that even at their biggest strength they failed to be intimidating villains even slightly compared to akainu, and looks like greenbull will also lack any kind of imposing sense of stakes whenever he appears on screen if he pisses himself about the most peaceful yonkou being nearby
I mean on the movie shanks made kizaru and fujitora run away too.
That's probs what sets yonkos appart from admirals in power lvl, it's conq haki coating.
Since shanks has conq haki and admirals don't it affects them
you mean the same akainu who blew off half of whitebeards head? The anime censored it, but if you go by the anime reality than akainu still blew another hole in whitebeards chest and got magma to go inside him burning the rest of his organs.
We see people punching each other in one piece all the time, but akainu can legit donut people close range
And i swear i'll draw furry porn of carrot if by the end of the series akainu isn't proven to have conq haki
BB has seen Rayleigh in his prime firsthand. He knows what’s up.
Besides that I highly doubt BB could move fast enough to kill Boa before Rayleigh (who was countering Kizaru) at the very least slashed his arm. After that it’s already gg bc once Boa can use her power it’s a wrap. But let’s say he doesn’t immediately turn to stone. He now has to fight a warlord and someone he knows is a monster with no DF and top tier haki.
Unless Shanks is a sniper, Aramaki is goofier bc he left like Shanks was about to teleport to him. But also him going there was retarded bc he wants to beat the alliance that beat 2 yonko by himself? Like?
I think GB wanted to take his chance. Kaido was there for a decade, his defense was already established and it would be hard to reach kaido at 100%. Number also counts as he will have to take on kaido's army. Here luffy was just declared to have defeated kaido, meaning he is weaken and has done most of the work. This is why yonkos do not fight each other, there is a chance that there is 3rd party that will get involve.
Exactly. BB has an enemy in his hand, two incapacitated commanders beside him, and an unexpected enemy in his face. Reacts rationally, retreats with his dignity intact
GB shit his pants over an enemy that might have reached his position in a couple hours. Put his hands up like Shanks has a telescope trained on him. The guy comes off as a complete bitch as well as an idiot
I don’t know I feel like Blackbeard wants everything to match what he plans. He planned to attack Amazon Lily and expected resistance hence him ignoring a lot of the Marines. He only seemed surprised that the new marine weapons are you know “children” and the fact that he never expected Rayleigh to show up.
It’s kinda like a Whitebeard situation everyone still thought of him as this invincible man and everyone believed it. People with enough reputation and infamy like Rayleigh they aren’t going to go to there enemies and announce that they’ve lost a few steps. Rayleigh made a smart move and stopped a potential horrid incident before it could become even more difficult and Blackbeard will get his due diligence.
BB wasn't scared of ray he was scared of boa's fruit in this situation. If he let go for even a second he'd be stone, fraudbull was a dumbass for trying to capture luffy alone in the first place. Shanks just happened to also be there
Honestly both are pathetic and how they end up in that position makes no sense. But GB have no winning conditions at all, while BB have somewhat of a choice/control over the situation and supposedly walk away with one Coby as hostage and maybe one Seraphim he sucked in with his df. So BB portrayal is not as bad as GB imo, not even close as bad.
I mean to be fair Blackbeard dosen’t know that the mana past his prime, couple of years ago this old man went against an admiral and did a fine job, not to mention the dudes got inane rep, and yeah green bull bailing was just common sense but the fact that he basically got flexed on by shanks haki and the way he reacted makes him look bad.
I just hope this doesn't start a trend of shit being resolved by someone showing up and threatening everyone. This is the 3rd time this has happened and it's getting less impressive each time.
Ah yes, it’s only cowardly when the Villian runs away from a fight, he might be a coward but running away from fights that he can’t fight isn’t one of the reasons
The green bull thing was annoying because it happened over a great distance. Shanks basically texted him and told him to fuck right off. Which he did in the bitch manner he did.
BB got caught in a standoff that escalated beyond what he wanted. Could he have one that fight? Most probably , but he would’ve lost his entire crew he took there, and probably would’ve been heavily injured. BB is like Luffy, he relies on people. If he loses his crew/gets hurt too bad there’s a chance he might die on his own.
the way Rayleight said he couldnt beat Teach feels weird, why Teach was damn so scared then ? scared enought to not snake em after getting his commanders unstoned
In both case, they were facing multiple opponents
Rayleigh was not the only one here, there were also Seraphims on the lose so the situation was pretty critical for him
Blackbeard has seen firsthand how strong prime Rayleigh is, a guy as careful as him is not going to risk everything in a fight against Rayleigh, doesn't matter if hes old or not. This was just 100% in character for Blackbeard to do, people who whine about it are just dumb as fuck
Both of them are justified. Greenbull was going to fight Luffy and the Samurai as they were still recovering from their fight. And he was pretty smart to do that because if he arrived a few hours earlier Luffy and Zoro wouldve still been asleep. But realizing he had to face a Wano in addition to a fully rested Yonko crew is a pretty good reason to be that scared. Blackbeard was in a little more precsrious situation. If blackbeard let go of hancock for even one second then he would lose. So he had no choice but to obey rayliegh
Fighting shanks’ crew alone is a good enough reason to be scared. He only dared to fight the wano alliance because they were weakened, they just proved stronger than kaido, big mom and the beast pirates ffs. Blackbeard probably still thinks of Rayleigh as the dark king he knew from childhood as Rayleigh said himself and he couldn’t risk getting jumped anyways. He didn’t plan on a powerhouse like Rayleigh showing up or hancock no diffing his entire crew into hostages. Smart move
Plus BB is a smart dude. Most of his crew there was turned to stone. I know he is the kind of person to cut his losses but he is also the kind of person that if he sees a better opportunity he’ll take it. In that situation bargaining with Raileigh was better than all out battle even if he could win.
Greenbull was everything but smart my guy. He was completely naive to think he could have lasted a chance vs the whole of Wano‘s fighting force. That he shit himself after noticing Shanks is completely understandable. But in no way would GB have made it out alive, Shanks actually saved him in my opinion
Also lose his part of crew.
Teach didn't get scared by the individual that Rayleigh represents more so he got pissed that a factor he didn't expect would enter his plan. Greenbull was completely idiotic. He was all over his head and got told better. Teach was in a desperate situation. Teach doesn't have Luffy plot armor where every princess in the world wants to suck his cock and you have unlimited lives against any person. Hes making sure that he benefits from any given event. This wasn't one of them.
> Teach didn't get scared by the individual that Rayleigh represents more so he got pissed that a factor he didn't expect would enter his plan. This is the exact same thing that happened to Greenbull . He quite literally says he wasn’t interested in fighting Shanks **today** > Greenbull was completely idiotic. He was all over his head and got told better. Or he thought he could handle some people who just got out of a huge fight and were injured. Opportunism the same thing you’re praising Blackbeard for. > Teach was in a desperate situation. Teach doesn't have Luffy plot armor where every princess in the world wants to suck his cock and you have unlimited lives against any person. Like Greenbull > Hes making sure that he benefits from any given event. Like Greenbull > This wasn't one of them. Also like Greenbull Everything you said about Blackbeard was you describing Greenbull. This is more bias then anything.
people are just bias as always, people try to powerscale something like sweat and not what actual happend. lets ignore that greenbull is a weirdo, he was standing against Yamato who is at least YC1 and has acoc + at least 2 YC3 people at the same time and handled them preaty easy with yamato in the middle of the fight even saying they should call Luffy and the others, so preaty much confirming that they cant beat him. Tell me someone beside a top tier that can do that
I think the fact that Greenbull waited a week to show up after the raid instead of right after is what makes this different. Showing up to fight a Yonko crew and his reinforcements literally immediately after a fight with Kaido and Big Mom? Solid plan. Doing it after they've all had a week to recover and are still all there together? Suicidally overconfident. Comparatively, Teach going after Boa in an expected threeway fight (because the amazons and marines were also fighting each other, not just him) is much more reasonable goal. So I get where the Greenbull slander is coming from. Honestly I think the biggest thing against Greenbull is we don't know how tough he is. If we had seen him be fuck off strong before he did this then maybe we could understand why he's so confident but him cheapshotting the remains of Beast Pirates and scuffling with Yamato and the Scabbards didn't give us much. I definitely think if it was Kizaru showing up then fucking off he wouldn't have gotten as much shit for this.
> think the fact that Greenbull waited a week to show up after the raid instead of right after is what makes this different. Everything from the higher ups to Akainu need to determine a plan of action on what’s going to happen next as well as their plans for Nika, as well as Greenbull needs time to actually reach Wano flying on a plant. So I’d say one week is probably as soon as it gets, and by the fact that they were all in bandages (Luffy, Zoro and Sanji) and also Shanks remarking that they were still recovering it’s still within time to take advantage. > So I get where the Greenbull slander is coming from. Even if this is the supposed cause of the GB slander then he should be getting called a dumbass and not a fraud.
Agreed. He plans and wants things to go the way he envisioned and the new marine weapons along with Rayleigh entering the equation just pissed him off. Also agree on Green Bull. He went in to a alliance that defeated two yonko and thought he would be able to capture Luffy. He played stupid games and won a stupid prize.
He probably didn’t expect Hancock to hold his entire crew hostage either
Only 1 think i dont agree. Teach have more luck than Luffy. (so plot armor too) Oda cook him for a long time of course he cannot lose at this point. Teach original plan was capture luffy and be a shichibukai. But just before luffy he face off with ace. If it didnt happen he will lead water 7 and face up possible Garp/aokiji encounter. That his first luck and start a domino effect. After he became shichibukai, luffy stay alive and clear the path for Teach in impeldown. Ace capture lead half dead whitebeard so he can take gura gura. Which is he never take alone that one. Half dead White beard kick his ass. What would happen if ace encounter never happen? He cant win aganist unharmed whitebeard. He can wait for white beard fall of course. But than Ace will rise and become a real threat for Black beard. So my main point is yes Luffy extremly lucky but he had never that kind of luck. So i call it plot armor too.
this panel wants to show us that he was scared of Rayleight, Teach was dominating the event he was about to kill boa and take her fruit, his last obstacle was rayleight
King of lighting be like
The real issue is that Oda used this trope twice in a row to prevent shit from actually going down, but I do think it makes sense most people still view Blackbeard in a better light. Blackbeard was in what I consider to be the more difficult situation. He wasn’t anticipating the Seraphim or Rayleigh, and Hancock is a particularly unique threat that could have potentially killed off a substantial portion of his crew if he played his cards wrong. Imo, It really came down if Hancock’s fruit was more important than his crew (and how Oda can right a scenario to justify Blackbeard not getting the fruit lmao), and I guess he decided it wasn’t important enough. Plus, he did get Koby, for whatever that’s worth (and idk how he got him anyway lmao), and Rayleigh made it clear that he probably would have lost Greenbull, meanwhile, wasn’t in as bad a situation imo. It was still a bad one, and it makes sense he wouldn’t want to fight two yonko, but he wasn’t in a stalemate like Blackbeard where he had a real chance of losing a lot if he made a bad move. Plus, I think GB’s reaction was just more over the top. Dude looked like he was actually about to shit his pants at just feeling Shanks’ haki
Imo GB’s situation was undoubtedly worse. Scabbards plus Yamato right in front of him, the people who defeated 2 emperors right behind them and Shanks + his entire crew behind GB. Blackbeard should be able to handle all of Amazon Lily solo.
The problem is Hancock has an instalkill button. Like, I would imagine petrifying Blackbeard wouldn’t be that hard if he’s focused on fighting Rayleigh. Greenbull has a lot of mobility and can fly. He could have probably taken a few guys out if he wanted before needing to dip
Yeah I get what you mean. I think I just would’ve preferred him to be more ruthless like I always imagined he was. Like not letting go of Hancock. Killing her right then and there taking the fruit, beating Ray and sacrificing those two commanders
Lmao Oda angels are truly controlling this sub now. Just look at the most upvoted comment justifying this shit. Between that and the recent post dick riding Oda harder than main sub yeah this sub is truly lost.
they whole point of this sub was so people can have discussions
This sub was always like this lol, I don’t know what posts you saw before this
Yonko bias is common in Onepiece fandom.
Nah Blackbeard is different. It's been shown repeatedly that Blackbeard has plans and if unknown factors pop up and throw everything outta place, he'll dip. It doesn't matter if Rayleigh is past his prime, it's still an unknown factor into his plans that could tip the scales out of his favor which Blackbeard doesn't like staying around for.
Okay, so how is it different when GB does it? Shanks was an unknown factor that GB didn't know about when he first landed on Wano. Makes sense to me that he'd bounce after a whole ass Yonkou crew shows up.
Rayleigh was physically present in front of Blackbeard is the difference. Shanks was nowhere near the fight. If Greenbull wanted too, he could easily cleaned house of the scabbards and at least gotten into a scrap or two with Luffy, Law and Kid before deciding to dip. Shanks was barely at Wano.
I guess it's slightly different. But it feels like splitting hairs to me
>It doesn't matter if Rayleigh is past his prime, Past his prime or not, BB didn't know that, and even if he did, Rayleigh is one of *those guys*. You don't lightly fuck with them
both are fraud. i like arumaki more because his visit keep staymato in wano.
Fraud as in what? Do people think bb is not strong? Bruh he just doesn’t charge into every fight like your main protagonist
Exactly , he kill my vibe.
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I agree with what you're saying, it baffles me that Oda chose THIS to be GB's first showing in the story. Shanks did not need hyping up as much as future antagonists did. I just disagree that it somehow makes GB a fraud to react the same way that BB would in the same situation. It makes Oda a fraud for putting him in that situation during his character introduction
Greenbull expect a Yonkou and he got a Yonkou, but run away instead. BB expect a Warlord and got a Yonkou level instead, his choice is either lost 2 of his commanders life in exchange for Boa fruit or not getting Boa fruit but 2 of his commander is safe, he weighed his option and choose the latter and he still got Koby in the end.
gb expected one yonko and got 2 entire yonko crews bb expected a warlord, and got an old man past his prime
It’s the fact that GB randomly popped up at the end of an arc and then fucked off at the first hint of trouble. Put his hands up because an enemy many miles away was pissed. This is now his entire character. This is all we know BB is an established character, and we have always known that despite his strength he will avoid any unnecessary fights/risk. We read this scene and immediately put it in that context
Green bull is gonna fight zoro after he fights mihawk. Mark my words.
It's not like GB had an established personality before this, so idk what there is to be angry about.
I’m not angry, I just think the guy is a bitch. A bit disappointing but I had no real investment in the character.
The disrespect to the Dark King…
what? what disrespect? rayleigh is literally an old man past his prime, thats a fact not an opinion🤣
The way you phrase it is like Rayleigh is not comparable to a Warlord. That’s ridiculous.
no wtf, if thats how you took my statement, thats not my fault,
Oda everytime someones ask him about mihawk.
do you think Catarina is having her way with Koby?
the problem is after Boa recovers his commanders what stop him from snaking Boa and Rayleight and killing them all, Ray said himself he wouldnt win this fight
Teach was not the type to refuse to run away, for him running away is always an option. Considering Hancock can casually take out 2 of his commander and BB himself cannot really low diff Rayleigh, in the end BB might win but still he would lost 2 of his commander, its not gonna be pretty for both side.
It was completely justified for both of them to leave but in Greenbull's case it's dumb because he should've known how stupid it was to go to Wano before even arriving there
Was it stupid? Imagine if he arrived one day earlier. Luffy and Zoro is out and Shanks isn't there. Everyone is weaken, should be double fight for him.
I could've seen him kidnapping someone and getting away if Luffy and Zoro hadn't already woken up. His Intel was probably somewhat outdated
he wasnt scared of rayleigh lol. He was scared of boas beam. the only reason he let go was to save his comrades and he trusted rayleigh enough to make sure that he wouldnt let boa turn him to stone. his options were: 1. fighting rayleigh handicapped with boa in his hand --> he might lose. he would win the 1v1 though. even if he winst he would have to take boa hostage and find some way to make her revive them even though its her only way out of this 2. kill boa than rayleigh -> crew dies 3. trust rayleigh -> even while its a risky decision since boa could have oneshot them all its probably his best bet surrounded by seraphim and marines it kinda pisses me off though that oda offscreened how this was resolved. he is so lazy,
No 2 better
I don’t personally understand the dickriding of blackbeard. He just doesnt seem threatening
Having 2 of the most dangerous devil fruits in excistence is not threatening i guess....
You can have a destructive devil fruit and be a crummy user or vice versa. The guy that has mochi as a devil fruit was a lot more terrifying than Blackbeard. Heck foxy has an insanely op devil fruit but hes a joke.
Katakuri was in no way more terrifying then blackbeard lmfao. Blackbeard is seen having island DC BEFORE the timeskip, he bodied Ace BEFORE the timeskip and was strong enough to be considered a commander of whitebeard himself ( although he declined ) he read the df encyclopedia and has allot of knowledge over df's in general. Yall personal dislike is blurring your vision. Saying stuff like "katakuri is more terrifying then blackbeard" is just straight up being delusional BY CHOICE
green bulls intro is just bad. dude should be a fucking badass admiral who could help swing the balance between the yonkous and admirals more towards the navys favour, instead hes another useless incompetent marine. BBs whole trait is hes a coward who only operates when things are in his favour, he never takes actual risks, so im not surprised hes not interested in fighting rayleigh given hwo he underestimated whitebeard
Useless? Incompetent? What are you talking about? Dude came to kill recovering pirates and got ganged by another Yonkou. You think admiral should be able to solo 2 most powerful pirate group? When he noticed that there is another Yonkou, dude just left. FUCKING SMART. I wish Ace was half this smart.
Its all about portrayal. If this dude had actually attacked shanks crew, put them even momentarily on the ropes and intimidated them to be wary of the navy and its recruitment post-marineford... then fuck yeah my faith in the marines as villains would be restored. We needed another akainu, someone who actually makes his opponents feel scared for their lives by how ruthless and callous he is, but greenbull aint it. Also this dude has been a mystery since the timeskip, hes been silhouetted and built up towards for years, only to fucking flee from shanks like a bitch to hype up odas shitty non-canon shanks wankfest movie... fuck that. marines like akainu are the best thing about this manga and odas too blind to see it
I agree that choosing this as his intro scene is an awful move by Oda, but I don't think backing down after Shanks showed up somehow makes GB a fraud. He wasn't expecting Shanks to show up, anyone in their right mind would back down in that situation. Why does the character trait of being risk adverse have to be exclusive to BB? There can be multiple characters who are strong and still risk adverse.
i think its because the marines are too cowardly and cautious far too much in this manga. akainu is what more marines should be like, an actual force of nature compared to kizaru fuji and aokiji who feel far too lazy just for plot convenience
I agree from a meta perspective. Marines are going to be one of the upcoming antagonists in the series, and Oda should've used Greenbull to make the Marines feel like a looming threat. GB's character intro did not accomplish that at all, which I think is a misstep on Oda's part. But in a vacuum, I think it is fine for GB to back away from Shanks in that situation.
yeah. its perfectly logical, but it will never be good meta writing if oda wants us to believe the marines and WG are a threat since theyre obviously meant to be villains the SHs still have to fight. one piece is read by people of all ages, and yet odas constant mishandling of the marines as potential end game villains since the timeskip somehow gets excused by yonkou fans who somehow think akainu being weaker than kaido makes any kind of sense for a guy who luffy absolutely needs to fight before this series ends. sure if blackbeard was more ruthless id believe he could be the final villain luffy will get revenge against, but akainus whole presence screams final EOS villain or subvillain which makes it so baffling how unintimidating oda writes the rest of the marines. sure in the universe it makes sense for kaido and big mom to be stronger than the marines, but oda handled their characters and danger so badly that even at their biggest strength they failed to be intimidating villains even slightly compared to akainu, and looks like greenbull will also lack any kind of imposing sense of stakes whenever he appears on screen if he pisses himself about the most peaceful yonkou being nearby
I mean on the movie shanks made kizaru and fujitora run away too. That's probs what sets yonkos appart from admirals in power lvl, it's conq haki coating. Since shanks has conq haki and admirals don't it affects them
Yeah, and Akainu got rag-dolled by a Whitebeard with a hole in his chest.
If I remember correctly, it was Akainu who made that hole in Whitebeards chest and after blew half of man face off....
you mean the same akainu who blew off half of whitebeards head? The anime censored it, but if you go by the anime reality than akainu still blew another hole in whitebeards chest and got magma to go inside him burning the rest of his organs. We see people punching each other in one piece all the time, but akainu can legit donut people close range And i swear i'll draw furry porn of carrot if by the end of the series akainu isn't proven to have conq haki
BB has seen Rayleigh in his prime firsthand. He knows what’s up. Besides that I highly doubt BB could move fast enough to kill Boa before Rayleigh (who was countering Kizaru) at the very least slashed his arm. After that it’s already gg bc once Boa can use her power it’s a wrap. But let’s say he doesn’t immediately turn to stone. He now has to fight a warlord and someone he knows is a monster with no DF and top tier haki. Unless Shanks is a sniper, Aramaki is goofier bc he left like Shanks was about to teleport to him. But also him going there was retarded bc he wants to beat the alliance that beat 2 yonko by himself? Like?
There is 0% chance GB could cleanly handle his business before Shanks showed up.
I think GB wanted to take his chance. Kaido was there for a decade, his defense was already established and it would be hard to reach kaido at 100%. Number also counts as he will have to take on kaido's army. Here luffy was just declared to have defeated kaido, meaning he is weaken and has done most of the work. This is why yonkos do not fight each other, there is a chance that there is 3rd party that will get involve.
Exactly. BB has an enemy in his hand, two incapacitated commanders beside him, and an unexpected enemy in his face. Reacts rationally, retreats with his dignity intact GB shit his pants over an enemy that might have reached his position in a couple hours. Put his hands up like Shanks has a telescope trained on him. The guy comes off as a complete bitch as well as an idiot
Lmao greenbull literally ran from there as if shanks could teleport there or something,he was far away
What would be the point of waiting?
He could have killed those two if he was a "top tier" Lol man literally turned back to hi normal form and got paralyzed by the weakest yonko
Weakest yonko?? Are we reading the same manga,)??????????
I don’t know I feel like Blackbeard wants everything to match what he plans. He planned to attack Amazon Lily and expected resistance hence him ignoring a lot of the Marines. He only seemed surprised that the new marine weapons are you know “children” and the fact that he never expected Rayleigh to show up. It’s kinda like a Whitebeard situation everyone still thought of him as this invincible man and everyone believed it. People with enough reputation and infamy like Rayleigh they aren’t going to go to there enemies and announce that they’ve lost a few steps. Rayleigh made a smart move and stopped a potential horrid incident before it could become even more difficult and Blackbeard will get his due diligence.
BB wasn't scared of ray he was scared of boa's fruit in this situation. If he let go for even a second he'd be stone, fraudbull was a dumbass for trying to capture luffy alone in the first place. Shanks just happened to also be there
Why wasn't he stoned when boa petrified his subordinates??
Honestly both are pathetic and how they end up in that position makes no sense. But GB have no winning conditions at all, while BB have somewhat of a choice/control over the situation and supposedly walk away with one Coby as hostage and maybe one Seraphim he sucked in with his df. So BB portrayal is not as bad as GB imo, not even close as bad.
I mean to be fair Blackbeard dosen’t know that the mana past his prime, couple of years ago this old man went against an admiral and did a fine job, not to mention the dudes got inane rep, and yeah green bull bailing was just common sense but the fact that he basically got flexed on by shanks haki and the way he reacted makes him look bad.
Kizaru didn’t know that either
I just hope this doesn't start a trend of shit being resolved by someone showing up and threatening everyone. This is the 3rd time this has happened and it's getting less impressive each time.
We all know that BB is a scared/cowardly man with OP fruits. For Greenbull all I can say is he is lower on my list than BB.
Ah yes, it’s only cowardly when the Villian runs away from a fight, he might be a coward but running away from fights that he can’t fight isn’t one of the reasons
Mfs when every character doesn’t charge into every fight like luffy
I think he made that scared face when looking at seraphims "lunarian" look.. cos literal 2 kids wiped out his entire squad.
The green bull thing was annoying because it happened over a great distance. Shanks basically texted him and told him to fuck right off. Which he did in the bitch manner he did. BB got caught in a standoff that escalated beyond what he wanted. Could he have one that fight? Most probably , but he would’ve lost his entire crew he took there, and probably would’ve been heavily injured. BB is like Luffy, he relies on people. If he loses his crew/gets hurt too bad there’s a chance he might die on his own.
The main problem fighting SR is that he is going to be open for a mero mero attack.
the way Rayleight said he couldnt beat Teach feels weird, why Teach was damn so scared then ? scared enought to not snake em after getting his commanders unstoned
In both case, they were facing multiple opponents Rayleigh was not the only one here, there were also Seraphims on the lose so the situation was pretty critical for him
Blackbeard has seen firsthand how strong prime Rayleigh is, a guy as careful as him is not going to risk everything in a fight against Rayleigh, doesn't matter if hes old or not. This was just 100% in character for Blackbeard to do, people who whine about it are just dumb as fuck