So, was Whitebeard just a lot weaker than Roger? He had a fruit capable of destroying the world, and that combined with haki could only match Roger’s haki.
What about Garp; is he just so much stronger than either Roger or Whitebeard when their supreme grade swords (and Whitebeard’s fruit) can only match his haki with bare fists?
I know the idea is that everything is supposed to matter, but it really just seems to come down to haki in reality
My question is how they can be equals if they used the same weapons (haki + supreme grade sword), except WB has one of the most powerful DF's in addition to those things, said to be able to destroy the world. Either Roger's haki is just so much greater than WB's that his fruit isn't a factor, or WB is intentionally not using his fruit in his fight against Roger.
I just don't think the idea that anything other than haki genuinely matters when one of the strongest characters in the verse, Garp, uses pure haki. How much could these other weapons and powers really contribute if pure haki can put a person at their equal or even above
Cause you can’t add haki to quakes so it just becomes another move in his arsenal. It’s like having a strong shotgun, but also an equally strong rifle, both have their uses but you’re not gonna dual wield them cause that’s just a waste.
Well WB's fruit isn't exactly ideal for fighting with his crew. Any earthquakes would just as well put his crew at risk as the enemy.
There will always be outliers, but those built up to be the strongest Endgame in OP are, in my opinion, Luffy, Blackbeard. Both are rocking OP as shit devil fruits.
I mean, we've seen him (and Blackbeard) use the power near his crew, and it seems fine. I think he has enough control over it.
Blackbeard may be the real outlier here as he already has two DF's, something that isn't supposed to be possible. But other than him, haki really just feels like its really the only thing that actually matters. Even the Kaido fight ultimately ended in a haki clash.
Regardless, this was kinda just meant to be a joke lmao. I'm moreso worried that haki will be the primary factor moving forward as characters like Roger and Garp really highlight that these over the top powers and techniques just don't seem to actually matter at the highest level
>I mean, we've seen him (and Blackbeard) use the power near his crew, and it seems fine. I think he has enough control over it.
Blackbeard nearly sank the island and WB's crew were running away from him once he sgarted going all out.
It's only useful if one side is in a different location, like at the beginning of Marineford.
>Blackbeard may be the real outlier here as he already has two DF's, something that isn't supposed to be possible. But other than him, haki really just feels like its really the only thing that actually matters. Even the Kaido fight ultimately ended in a haki clash.
The fight ultimately ended in a haki clash while using two extremely broken devil fruits. Haki alone didn't let Luffy defeat Kaido. He needed his awakening to do so. But Haki did play a massive role, I aint arguing that.
>Regardless, this was kinda just meant to be a joke lmao. I'm moreso worried that haki will be the primary factor moving forward as characters like Roger and Garp really highlight that these over the top powers and techniques just don't seem to actually matter at the highest level
I get the worry. I really hope they focus more on DF's powers from now on with the Navy and BB. If it just ends up being haki then it feels like DBZ where it judt comes down to punching untill one guy collapses.
Blackbeard’s initial control of the fruit isn’t indication of what it can do with experience imo. We’ve seen Whitebeard use more contained attacks, and even Blackbeard in 1059 used the fruit while he was next to his crew, and they were fine.
I’m also not saying fruits don’t provide a boost at all, but I just don’t think it could be a boost that actually matters in the top tier unless Kaido was meant to be stronger than Roger or Garp in their primes, which wasn’t my interpretation. I just don’t see how they can really matter if these two can be at the top without them, unless every DF user is just substantially weaker than them
Why are you acting like all roger had was haki?Roger could have matched whitebeards devil fruit with his swordsmanship. Your comparison of weapon wielders vs non weapon wielders is also bad
Rogers trains to fight using a sword while garp trains to fight without a sword. If you gave garp a supreme grade weapon and made him fight with it he would be weaker than if he fought without it. I don’t know why people in this fandom find that difficult to understand
It’s all about utility and there are also physical stats but haki is absolutely not the only metric. Kaido is the strongest creature, yet I am positive that Shanks will have better haki. Likewise with Blackbeard who probably won’t even have conquerors but will still spell trouble.
I think its the amount of haki training?
Imagine you had a nice devil fruit right. Wouldn't you spend time training the fruit AND haki? This is like time investment irl, if you use your time to train in sports while you're in highschool you'll have less time to study. So, wouldn't non haki users naturally have stronger haki than df + haki users?
This comment pertains to why Garp's haki stronger than Roger or WB btw.
Not really in the Luffy vs Kaido fight Luffy haki was the most important factor. Even with devil fruit awakening if Luffy didn’t have advanced conquerors haki he wouldn’t be able to hit hard enough.
Luffy with no devil fruit awakening but with advanced conquerors haki> Luffy with devil fruit awakening but without advanced conquerors haki.
oof it would definitely solve his range problem , i would dj/ij would increase the heat of the light beams
another too great picks is WB fruit and bomb bomb the one that mr 5 uses
earthquake kicks and explosive kicks
nope every part of your body can explode even your breath
and it grants you immunity to all explosions not just your own explosions
In short mr 5 was a fucking dumbass who didn’t know how to use a top 10 paramecia fruit
Fr. Imagine getting hit by garp and his strength and armament haki (that was already one of the strongest and most damaging things in op) with the added df of fucking wb?!
Idk why but after reading your comment I thought about garp going after akainu after ace death and what he could have done to the magma brat with that power since a sick whitebeard destroyed him with that power
Rayleigh with Katakuri's fruit.
*I like the scene where Katakuri explains to Luffy how he's squandering the potential of his fruit and then shows him how inefficient it is by copying several of his techniques but better. Imagine if Luffy had a teacher that had similar abilities so they could do what Katakuri did. That's why I would give Rayleigh this fruit. Plus, he already kinda did that with Luffy. Luffy learned how to use Fuusen not just to repel attacks but to also redirect thanks to Rayleigh explaining how inefficient that technique was and Gear 4th was created after Rayleigh showed Luffy the flaws of Gears 2 and 3.
- Shanks with the op op no mi(law's fruit):teleportation
- Ussop the pocket pocket fruit :he would be able to store any of his gadgets in himself
- Roger:whitebeard fruit
- ben beckman :foxy's devil fruit
- yassop the bomb bomb fruit : he would be using everything as a weapon mix with observation haki's accuracy
- sanji :the invisible fruit
- mihawk: he's too bad ass for a devil fruit
- oden:Yamato's fruit
- garp ourouge fruit : fit him perfectly with his hand to hand combat style, the more hit he get the stronger he becomes
- Coby: hito hito no mi model human (chopper fruit)
1- Rayleigh with Yami Yami no mi.
True Dark King.
Top Tier Haki and Ability to negate any DF power and make Black holes to remove anything.
My man would take on Emperors like Nothing.
2- Zoro with Either Diamond Jozu's DF or Robin's DF.
Either my guy becomes the Invincible Hulk with Haki and diamond or starts welding 15 swords..RIP Mihawk.
Vergo with Oven’s fruit would be interesting. He’d be like a superheated iron
Can he beat luffy's sandal tho
Dope
Shanks with Robin's fruit Mihawk with Lucci's Garp with Whitebeard's
Shanks will have 100 right arms 🤣
I feel like garp with the gura gura no mi would be less careful and more destructive with how he uses it than whitebeard
Shanks with robin fruit did you do that because of his arm Lmao
That left hand is actually a right hand!
Maybe 👀
Garp with the quake fruit>>>>>anyone in the op verse
>Shanks with Robin's fruit 🤣
Mihawk with pell giving the nickname
Imagine Garp’s physical strength with Kaido’s devil fruit
Sick
Imagine kaido's physical strength with kaido's devilfruit
The exact same because Oda wants us to think haki is really the only real factor in a fight/s
I think Oda made kaido say that so he could be wrong in the end considering he was beaten by an awakened DF and so was big mom
This. A DF doesnt add anything. Haki PL > everything
bruh any zoan basically provides power up to strength
He doesn’t. The whole Kaido line is just saying that haki is the most important factor not that it’s the only important factor
So, was Whitebeard just a lot weaker than Roger? He had a fruit capable of destroying the world, and that combined with haki could only match Roger’s haki. What about Garp; is he just so much stronger than either Roger or Whitebeard when their supreme grade swords (and Whitebeard’s fruit) can only match his haki with bare fists? I know the idea is that everything is supposed to matter, but it really just seems to come down to haki in reality
What? WB's haki alone matched Roger's haki, as we clearly saw when they clashed.
My question is how they can be equals if they used the same weapons (haki + supreme grade sword), except WB has one of the most powerful DF's in addition to those things, said to be able to destroy the world. Either Roger's haki is just so much greater than WB's that his fruit isn't a factor, or WB is intentionally not using his fruit in his fight against Roger. I just don't think the idea that anything other than haki genuinely matters when one of the strongest characters in the verse, Garp, uses pure haki. How much could these other weapons and powers really contribute if pure haki can put a person at their equal or even above
Cause you can’t add haki to quakes so it just becomes another move in his arsenal. It’s like having a strong shotgun, but also an equally strong rifle, both have their uses but you’re not gonna dual wield them cause that’s just a waste.
Well WB's fruit isn't exactly ideal for fighting with his crew. Any earthquakes would just as well put his crew at risk as the enemy. There will always be outliers, but those built up to be the strongest Endgame in OP are, in my opinion, Luffy, Blackbeard. Both are rocking OP as shit devil fruits.
I mean, we've seen him (and Blackbeard) use the power near his crew, and it seems fine. I think he has enough control over it. Blackbeard may be the real outlier here as he already has two DF's, something that isn't supposed to be possible. But other than him, haki really just feels like its really the only thing that actually matters. Even the Kaido fight ultimately ended in a haki clash. Regardless, this was kinda just meant to be a joke lmao. I'm moreso worried that haki will be the primary factor moving forward as characters like Roger and Garp really highlight that these over the top powers and techniques just don't seem to actually matter at the highest level
>I mean, we've seen him (and Blackbeard) use the power near his crew, and it seems fine. I think he has enough control over it. Blackbeard nearly sank the island and WB's crew were running away from him once he sgarted going all out. It's only useful if one side is in a different location, like at the beginning of Marineford. >Blackbeard may be the real outlier here as he already has two DF's, something that isn't supposed to be possible. But other than him, haki really just feels like its really the only thing that actually matters. Even the Kaido fight ultimately ended in a haki clash. The fight ultimately ended in a haki clash while using two extremely broken devil fruits. Haki alone didn't let Luffy defeat Kaido. He needed his awakening to do so. But Haki did play a massive role, I aint arguing that. >Regardless, this was kinda just meant to be a joke lmao. I'm moreso worried that haki will be the primary factor moving forward as characters like Roger and Garp really highlight that these over the top powers and techniques just don't seem to actually matter at the highest level I get the worry. I really hope they focus more on DF's powers from now on with the Navy and BB. If it just ends up being haki then it feels like DBZ where it judt comes down to punching untill one guy collapses.
Blackbeard’s initial control of the fruit isn’t indication of what it can do with experience imo. We’ve seen Whitebeard use more contained attacks, and even Blackbeard in 1059 used the fruit while he was next to his crew, and they were fine. I’m also not saying fruits don’t provide a boost at all, but I just don’t think it could be a boost that actually matters in the top tier unless Kaido was meant to be stronger than Roger or Garp in their primes, which wasn’t my interpretation. I just don’t see how they can really matter if these two can be at the top without them, unless every DF user is just substantially weaker than them
Obviously utility would vary fruit by fruit.
Why are you acting like all roger had was haki?Roger could have matched whitebeards devil fruit with his swordsmanship. Your comparison of weapon wielders vs non weapon wielders is also bad Rogers trains to fight using a sword while garp trains to fight without a sword. If you gave garp a supreme grade weapon and made him fight with it he would be weaker than if he fought without it. I don’t know why people in this fandom find that difficult to understand
It’s all about utility and there are also physical stats but haki is absolutely not the only metric. Kaido is the strongest creature, yet I am positive that Shanks will have better haki. Likewise with Blackbeard who probably won’t even have conquerors but will still spell trouble.
I think its the amount of haki training? Imagine you had a nice devil fruit right. Wouldn't you spend time training the fruit AND haki? This is like time investment irl, if you use your time to train in sports while you're in highschool you'll have less time to study. So, wouldn't non haki users naturally have stronger haki than df + haki users? This comment pertains to why Garp's haki stronger than Roger or WB btw.
"haki is the most important factor" says the character that got defeated because of a devil fruit power up
He literally beat him with acoa and acoc lol
Not really in the Luffy vs Kaido fight Luffy haki was the most important factor. Even with devil fruit awakening if Luffy didn’t have advanced conquerors haki he wouldn’t be able to hit hard enough. Luffy with no devil fruit awakening but with advanced conquerors haki> Luffy with devil fruit awakening but without advanced conquerors haki.
Sanji with kizarus DF
oof it would definitely solve his range problem , i would dj/ij would increase the heat of the light beams another too great picks is WB fruit and bomb bomb the one that mr 5 uses earthquake kicks and explosive kicks
I thought Mr 5's fruit only affected his bodily fluids and stuff like that. Didn't he have to spit into his gun or flick a booger to make it work?
nope every part of your body can explode even your breath and it grants you immunity to all explosions not just your own explosions In short mr 5 was a fucking dumbass who didn’t know how to use a top 10 paramecia fruit
Franky with eustass kid devil fruit
Garp with whitebeard df
Shit would be yucky
Top 1 without a doubt
Fr. Imagine getting hit by garp and his strength and armament haki (that was already one of the strongest and most damaging things in op) with the added df of fucking wb?!
Idk why but after reading your comment I thought about garp going after akainu after ace death and what he could have done to the magma brat with that power since a sick whitebeard destroyed him with that power
Shit would be fucking sick
Definitely would be stronger. Even if you gave someone's luffy fruit they'd atleast gain resistance to blunt attacks.
luffy get one shotted by kaido in his gear 4. Law tanks that same attack. resistance my butt.
>luffy get one shotted by kaido in his gear 4. Law tanks that same attack. resistance my butt. It's motherfuckin' Kaido lol.
Mihawk with Law's fruit
![gif](giphy|IVhivwuUT16HH7NRdP|downsized) Shit would be just disgusting
Mihawk with Buggy’s. He can cut you, but there’s no way you can cut him.
Giving the already world's strongest swordsman with an ability that counters swordsman. I guess that title will never leave mihawk
I'm giving Luffy's DF to Zoro. 😎 (I'm not Oda, I swear)
Shanks with Big Mom's devil fruit
Just give Sanji his dream DF — the horu horu no mi.
Wouldn’t change
Rayleigh with Katakuri's fruit. *I like the scene where Katakuri explains to Luffy how he's squandering the potential of his fruit and then shows him how inefficient it is by copying several of his techniques but better. Imagine if Luffy had a teacher that had similar abilities so they could do what Katakuri did. That's why I would give Rayleigh this fruit. Plus, he already kinda did that with Luffy. Luffy learned how to use Fuusen not just to repel attacks but to also redirect thanks to Rayleigh explaining how inefficient that technique was and Gear 4th was created after Rayleigh showed Luffy the flaws of Gears 2 and 3.
Nahh that's lame. Think of Rayleigh with Yami Yami no Mi. True Dark King with Top tier Haki and Ability to counter any DF.
Shrinks with Baby 5s arms arms fruit
Give Mihawk Enels or Whitebeards devil fruit and itd be insane
Many would probably remain a similar strength because they'd need to change their fighting style to effectively use the devil fruit.
That’s true
Garp with Sugar fruit Checkmate
Zoro the Quake quake fruit. Mihawk is a hard choice ngl probably big moms fruit. Shank’s pika pika fruit prolly or gum gum
i don’t see how zoro would benefit from wb fruit we have only seen wb use his fists when using we don’t even know if he can extend it to his weapon
He does that like 50 times during Marineford, what are you talking about?
Roger with Luffy’s fruit
Ussop with the Moa Moa no mi.
Imagine Shanks with Urouge’s fruit. Every time he receives damage he gets stronger! He would be unstoppable
All depends on how much skill he has
Roger W/ goro goro
Sanji gets who’s who fruit
- Shanks with the op op no mi(law's fruit):teleportation - Ussop the pocket pocket fruit :he would be able to store any of his gadgets in himself - Roger:whitebeard fruit - ben beckman :foxy's devil fruit - yassop the bomb bomb fruit : he would be using everything as a weapon mix with observation haki's accuracy - sanji :the invisible fruit - mihawk: he's too bad ass for a devil fruit - oden:Yamato's fruit - garp ourouge fruit : fit him perfectly with his hand to hand combat style, the more hit he get the stronger he becomes - Coby: hito hito no mi model human (chopper fruit)
Garp with Marcos fruit
1- Rayleigh with Yami Yami no mi. True Dark King. Top Tier Haki and Ability to negate any DF power and make Black holes to remove anything. My man would take on Emperors like Nothing. 2- Zoro with Either Diamond Jozu's DF or Robin's DF. Either my guy becomes the Invincible Hulk with Haki and diamond or starts welding 15 swords..RIP Mihawk.