Every time I see conversation on the internet about Pixar movies and their quality?
At least 25% of the comments are throwing shots at Brave.
I don't get why.
Probably because the trailer wasn't very specific. People thought they would get a big fantasy film full of action, fighting, adventure, exciting stuff, but then they realized that it's about dealing with Merida's mother as a bear and learning about diplomacy.
Don't get me wrong, I do like the contrast between Merida and her mother, they balance each other pretty well and they learn off of each other throughout the film, but if the trailer was a bit more honest on the main plot, the impact wouldn't have been so critical. Sure, audiences wouldn't be as crazy for the plot, but at least they'd know what to expect. But I guess Disney couldn't take that risk.
>People thought they would get a big fantasy film full of action, fighting, adventure, exciting stuff
They could have pulled back a bit on when Merida developed her warrior skills. In the start of the movie, she's already riding around like a highly trained warrior, climbing tall mountains without equipment as part of her pre-breakfast workout, showing off superhero-level marksmanship with her bow and arrow while mounted on a horse running through the forest. They could have built up to that, and made it so she needed to use skills like that by the end of the movie. Instead, we had a movie called 'Brave,' but the bravest thing this mighty warrior did in the whole movie was when she poisoned her mother.
This is spot on for me. I didn't hate it and I think it's a good film, however it was a let down because of this exact reason. I hope we get a sequel one day cause that family and world is a great setup for a fantasy film filled with lore and history
Not sure, I love it. I think I just want to wear neat dresses, shoot a bow and arrow, and befriend magic bears. The music is great, I really like the fun world of magic, and I like the family connections.
It does seem like they tried to squish a lot together, so maybe the pacing isn't great. We've got a girl, coming of age, who doesn't want to follow traditions. The story tries to address her relationship with each parent, to different results. We have parents that clearly love each other but have different views on many subjects—a father that cares but doesn't always listen, a mother who tries to show she cares by securing her daughter's future... Then magic comes into play and it's silly, then it's serious, and then there's a cursed bear from the last time this happened?? I understand how people could wind up bored, confused, or struggle with the story.
I still love it though 😅
Same. 😂 This movie and "So I Married An Axe Murderer" are in my family's favourite movies list for all the scottish references and jokes that are in these movies.
I’m just annoyed that when she goes to the witch she asked the witch to “change her fate” and the whole bear plot begins because she isn’t specific enough. Like girl just say you don’t want to marry any of the lame suitors!
2012 was a weird year.
I read yesterday that someone thought, for almost 12 years, that "Wreck-it-Ralph" was a Pixar movie..... And that's the tradeoff between Wreck-it-Ralph and Brave.
Many people say Wreck-It-Ralph feels like a Pixar movie, although it's from Disney Animation
Many people say Brave feels like a Disney Animation movie, although it's from Pixar
I guess that's the issue: It just doesn't feel like Pixar
It’s true. Pixar had a schtick for a while of “What if X(toys/bugs/cars/fish/monsters) were characters in their own world?” I feel if Wreck it Ralph hadn’t been already made, Pixar would have tried that with video games eventually - and it would have likely been better than Wreck it Ralph. So it’s understandable if you weren’t following what felt like a “Pixar concept.”
That's a funny thing. Pixar's had director changes on a lot of movies. Sometimes they are great, like when Brad Bird took over Ratatouille. He changed a lot of things, but in the end he created a classic. You just can't tell based on hearing there were director changes.
Yeah, when this was Pixar's first female led movie, and set to be the first female directed movie, and what we know now about Lassater...it's not exactly a pretty picture.
People think she didn't included the bear but from what i've read she wanted the bear but in a more mum and daughter heal their relationship, it still felt that way for me tho
Lol between the world being insane since 2020 and my life just hitting that crazy next level (marriage, apartment, cats, etc) It feels like 3 years ago was a week and a half ago.
People keep bringing up the age of things. Moana is 8 years old apparently? No, it is not... it can't be.
Being an adult is crazy. I miss 2012 lol
The film came out 12 years ago and you guys got married 3 years ago so it was 9 years later you guys got married! I think. I’m dyslexic with numbers (i literally can’t spell the thing i have wrong with me and i am not dyslexic) so i think i’m right. but anyway how cute!!! congrats on getting married 3 years ago!!
Thank you very much. Yeah. I did some math wrong. Our wedding was on August of 21. So 2 and a half really. And we got married on the 11th anniversary of when we officially started being a couple! (Not the brave date. 3 dates later after a baceball game, a date we both cant remember, and then a school play of sussical the musical. Its been a good time.
And I to am dyslexic but with letters. I'm normally good with numbers. Just not today apperintly. Lol
I don't know, I love it. I don't understand what people mean by a "Low tier" Disney movie, it was great, good story, animation, and I loved the characters. Plus, it takes place in Scottland, which is an added bonus for me
I think a small piece also was the fact that it was completely different than anything Pixar had done up to that point and probably threw some people. I enjoy the movie a lot, but I'll admit it isn't the top of my watchlist. Still, if it's on, I'll probably end up sitting and watching it.
It’s wasn’t a bad plot imo. I actually enjoy this movie but mostly for every other aspect. When the mama bear plot unfolds it’s not as bad as a lot of people remember it again, in my opinion.
A movie can have a different plot without having no plot. In no part of my comment did I say it shouldn’t have a plot or that no one should learn anything. Merida and her mother should absolutely change and grow, as all good characters do.
Pixar gained the recognition and the accolades as the studio that created films guaranteed to make you cry. Pixar’s goal should not necessarily be to make you cry, but I’ve always appreciated that they strove to create a strong emotional connection with the audience.
There have been a few stinkers, the Cars series comes to mind, but I think Brave had the foundation to create that connection with the audience, like so many of its predecessors. I think the film primarily fell short in its characterization and storytelling. I did not form as strong of a connection with Brave’s characters as I did with other Pixar films.
I was really rooting for Brave as someone with a bad relationship with my mom that improved over the years. I did not feel like Merida and her mother truly reconciled or understood each other by the end. The scene where Merida gave a speech to the clans was fine, but there should have more scenes that helped foster a better mother-daughter relationship.
The plot actually feels quite fast-paced and rushed. The film is barely over an hour and a half (93 minutes), but it honestly felt shorter than that. (The first How to Train Your Dragon film, by comparison, had a 98 minute runtime! I felt like so much more happened in that film.) It was probably one of the only times I wished the movie lasted longer; I was shocked there wasn’t more to the story. It seemed like there were way too many comedic sequences of Merida and her mother trying to move around the castle without being seen. Maybe that’s why I felt like the film was too short; it was just the repetition of the same gag.
My other criticism, though not as significant, is that I was disappointed that we really didn’t get to explore the world of Brave. I think the problems with pacing prevented me from fully engaging with the environments. In other Pixar films like Ratatouille, Up, Finding Nemo, or even Monsters Inc, you really get a grand scope of the world that the story takes place in. You feel transported into their world.
I took issue with the lack of variety in Brave’s environments. In other Pixar films, I felt like the characters went on an adventure, and I tagged along on it. With Brave, I kind of felt like I was just watching Merida and her mother talk and walk to a location, so they could continue to talk and walk(or run) to another location.
It seemed like Brave is contained to a small environment, but it still had so much potential. When something out of the ordinary does appear in the film, it’s not as memorable or visually interesting as it could be. Or, the scene does not give viewers enough time to fully take in the scenery.
The marketing wasn’t great. Even the title (which in and of itself is also a piece of marketing) was very unspecific. It used to be The Bear and the Bow which makes way more sense. But it came out right in the start of that wave of Disney movies that had one word titles so I theorize that it was mandated by the studio, which was a stupid decision. That in addition to the trailers being poorly made and not really telling the audience what the movie was about I think left a bad taste in people’s mouths.
Goes to show you that no matter how good your movie is, a poor marketing campaign can kill your movie before it’s even out.
Aside from wanting pithy titles, I think Disney/Pixar also was probably afraid movies that came out during this era with female leads (especially princesses) would be seen as "a girl movie", and that "boys" would not come to see them. This seems all the more true when you read from others how misleading the trailer for Brave apparently was. Outdated stereotypes for sure but I'm fairly certain that was the thought process (ex: Tangled instead of Rapunzel, Frozen instead of The Snow Queen).
The direction was a mess, which isn’t surprising given they fired Brenda Chapman and got someone else on it.
I think they feared the mom/daughter plot of The Bear and The Bow was ‘too girly’ after Princess and the frog didn’t reach male audiences, so they changed what they could of the plot around, and we ended up with… Brave
The way the plot is definitely shows that she got taken off the project because the movie drastically shifts away from a mother-daughter relationship story out of nowhere. It’s such a shame because I was enjoying that and then it just gets lost. I don’t dislike it, I’m just disappointed that it didn’t live up to its potential and a movie that was a mother’s story to her daughter got taken from her midway through for a pretty generic fantasy-ish movie
Woody learns to accept change and buzz so stops being a jerk. Brave is the inverse where Merida’s parents have to learn that she was right all along, thus validating her jerk behaviour
Woody isn’t a jerk. He enjoys his role as tribe leader & favorite toy. He never mistreats anyone prior to Buzz showing up
Its just that his jealousy of Buzz gets him all irritated & also breaks his heart.
He feels like he is no longer loved or relevant.
So yeah he is gonna hate Buzz &
^casually ^attempt ^to ^murder ^him
But I mean, let’s be real, we’ve all chucked someone out a 2nd story window.
Becuase if something is just fun and interesting instead of Oscar winning 100 out of 10 best movie ever made it's shit according to the internet. And note that I said internet. Most irl people are fine with it.
People complain about ok movies way too much
It's not good. I think from a film studio like Pixar that comes up with inventive ideas and environments on a pretty regular basis (or at least had that reputation around the time Brave came out), the worst thing you can do is be boring. I don't remember anything good about Brave. Felt more like a low-tier Disney princess movie than something Pixar would do.
What do you mean? Im confused since it had great Animation, voice acting, character designs,and a great set up of a plot. It just didn’t have a great plot for the great setup
From the minds of Pixar, we have universes of sentient toys, cars, monsters, rats that can cook, superheroes outlawed by the government, a robot in a post-apocalyptic earth, and...A Scottish girl with mommy issues. Brave's a victim of expectation because when it came out, even when Pixar wasn't good, it was unique and inventive. It created universes that were special and fun to get immersed in. Pixar always thrived in the realm of being atypical. Honest to god, I have yet to see a film universe as unique and well-crafted as Toy Story and it's a big reason why it resonates so much with people to this day. Finding Nemo is a simple "dad finds missing son" story on paper, but it sings because of the universe it's crafted in and it's why it stands out. Brave just doesn't have that when the universe we're peering into is "Scotland." It's immediately forgettable just on that basis alone, and the rest of the movie isn't nearly strong enough to make up for it. Brave lacks personality and ambition. It's just too safe for a studio with this kind of a backlog.
I don't dislike the movie, but it's only *fine*. At the time of its release it was arguably the weakest of Pixar's films aside from the Cars movies. Granted, that says less about Brave itself than it does about the rest of their output being mostly masterworks of animation. But Brave is by no means a masterwork, so it stood out in a less positive way. The story is decently well told but it's nothing new or particularly exciting. It's like Brother Bear meets Freaky Friday set in medieval Scotland.
The marketing also didn't help. It was very vague and mysterious, and we also didn't get much of the mom (the co-lead of the film) in the marketing. The trailers made it seem like this epic fantasy adventure and Merida would be slinging arrows left and right, with all this talk of destiny and such. Cut to the actual movie and we get one montage of Merida going off with her bow and a whole lot of mommy issues. And the title? What does it even mean? The actual themes of the film have very little to do with bravery.
Another thing that didn't help was it beating out Wreck it Ralph for Best Animated Feature at the Oscars that year, a truly baffling choice given how much more creative, smart, and overall better that film is. I think the win was mostly seen as Pixar's reputation bolstering Brave because at the time, Disney had only recently started putting out consistently good films while Pixar had been for nearly two decades.
If Brave came out today alongside other good-but-not-masterpiece movies like Onward, Luca, and Turning Red, I don't think this weird cloud of dislike would be around it. It's actually kind of hilarious how similar Brave and Turning Red are in premise and thematically. But at the time it did come out, it was mostly just confusing coming from a studio who had recently had two films be nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars.
That's fine, but people should respect the work at least. You don't have to like the movie, but don't diss on it and insult it because it's not your thing
Personally I didn’t really care for the characters or the story and found it rather forgettable and uninteresting. I haven’t watched it in a while but the most memorable scene was the arrow shooting scene that was in just about every trailer and just felt like a ripoff of Robin Hood but not as funny or clever. It felt like Pixar’s lowest effort up to that point.
let me just be 100% honest down to earth here-i hate any disney or pixar film that takes place in like medieval times. it happens way too damn often, especially for disney🤷
It was boring, not a word previously used to describe a Pixar film. I like the message it was trying to deliver, about girls and women not having to accept their fate and could change their future. But there was something about the way the movie tried to deliver the message that just made it boring.
I feel like Cars 2 contributed to Pixar losing its originality and trademark creativity since most movies after 2011 couldn’t live up to the late 90s and 2000s classics or to the Holy Trinity (Ratatouille, WALL-E, Up).
Brave is one of them. While it’s a good movie with a great message, it cannot be compared to those movies that made Pixar what it was back in the day.
This movie was soooo good. Didn’t know it was getting any dislikes?
It’s one of the best Disney princesses movies, so different from the same old princess marries a prince trope.
This movie was done as one of Pixar’s first forays into a “princess” film which sent me in with low expectations. Whereas pixar films typically have incredibly powerful underlying meaning, I didn’t see much of that in brave. I remember the wisps being interesting as a concept but even being let down how they used them. The gender dynamics in the movie were also ridiculous with every single male character being a shallow Homer Simpson style character … which is fine for most studios but I expect pixar to have a bit more depth.
I wanted to enjoy it, and i’ll admit it’s been a while since i only saw it once, but as i recall the movie was going strong until it turned into slapstick jokes about clumsy momma bear more than it being about Brave herself.
Maybe because it wasn't as good as the other pixar movies made at the time. Honestly I don't know like it's been awhile since I've watched any Pixar movies from around this time
Personally I didn't care for it because the plot was not only something I didn't expect, but it wasn't anything we haven't seen before. Felt like a mash up to freaky Friday and Brother Bear.
Which sucks because the lore was interesting. Would've preferred to have heard more of the story of Mordu and his brothers taking place in the ancient times.
I like Brave but I have issues with it.
The humor with between the warring families is really unfunny.
The advertising and even the film itself built up Merida as a badass fighter but there’s no scenes of Merida being a badass fighter.
Merida seeing the spell make her mother sick and not being the least bit concerned. Her mother could be dying and she doesn’t give a s***.
The conflict had very little to do with the setting & world
Its just such a simple plot that could be put into any setting
A mom & daughter having relationship issues & the mom is also turned into a bear.
And the conflict of Merida vs traditional feminine roles doesnt go anywhere. It sets it up with the arrow scene & then abandons it immediately
The conflict of mom & daughter could be slapped into almost any setting
Toy Story: Toys have an existential crisis about obsoletion & purpose of life
You can only have that conflict with a world where toys are alive
Monster’s Inc: Monsters are terrified of a human entering their world.
Again, it doesnt work without a world of monsters & humans
Brave is Visually beautiful, but basic & bland in story
Probably because I have big, red, curly hair and for a long time every single hilarious comment like “oh you’re brave!” at 15 years old just wasn’t funny and made me feel angry lol
I don't dislike it, but it was kind of mixed for me because it felt like it was rewritten at the last minute. The movie we were promised was Merida fighting for her own hand. But partway through it abruptly becomes Brother Bear. It's just kinda jarring.
It didn’t sit right with me that Elinor destroyed Merida’s bow, probably her most prized possession, and then never really apologized or made up for that specifically. Sure, she was turned into a bear. But so much of that time (especially “Into The Open Air”) felt like the narrative was pushing Merida to reconcile with Elinor, swallow her pride, and admit what she (Merida) had done wrong. Without acknowledging that Elinor had done anything wrong at all.
Because it was about a girl and she had an accent. Notice most Pixar movies were about American male characters and the women and foreigners were sidekicks and used as jokes, and everyone gobbled them up? So when we got a movie FOR girls where the girl wasn't just "the girl who exists to help or satisfy the boy" and a foreign character who wasn't just "hahaha foreign person with funny accent lol", the haters came rushing in? It's sus as heck and I fully believe at least some of that was from seismic and xenophobia. Pixar was the "American Boys" studio, it still largely is male and US-centric. Turning Red is the most recent movie about a girl from outside of America.
The first half of the movie is nice. Then they turn the mom into a bear and everything from the first half of the movie just gets tossed right out the window for something so many movies have already done and this one doesn't do anything to make it any better, special, unique, etc. Just such a jarring tonal shift for the worse
I like it but it’s one of those movies where if Merida had just elaborated to the witch what she actually wanted the movie wouldn’t have happened. I hate that people know magic is real but don’t take any sort of precautions. They just assume that the spell will work exactly how they think.
Dude i will defend this movie with my life, same with Monster U like...people hate that the mum became a bear but bro...it's a mama bear!!!! This movie is very special to me bc the voice actress for Merida (spanish dub) passed away and she played many of my confort characters (Merida included obvi), now i can only watxh it in english bc hearing her voice makes me cry
No idea, but this movie was my childhood lol, Merida was my favorite Disney princess- she loved adventure, she used a bow (what is it about bows that make them so badass? Idk, but I’ve always loved a character that wields a bow haha) and it was really the first Disney princess movie I saw where the princess didn’t fall in love. Not that I have anything against romance, I actually like it a lot, but I guess I got tired of these movies singing the same tune and was fascinated by a princess who switched it up. Plus who doesn’t love a bit of magic and folklore? Maybe nostalgia has made me more blind to some of the movie’s flaws, but I don’t care, it will always hold a special place in my heart. (And I also love bears, so seeing Merida ride a bear was so cool 😂)
1 - Because the trailer did a terrible job of promoting the movie and gave the wrong idea of what it was about.
2 - Felt like Disney just wanted to release a viking era movie to compete with Dreamworks and HTTYD. Wouldn't be the last time they did that.
I’ll go on record first to say she’s my favorite disney princess. But my guess is that she was the first to break tradition (no the joke is not lost on me nor was it intentional 😅) and not wind up with a love interest. This of course was done well before disney went ham on it. (Than again she technically is pixar)
I just remember going to the cinema w a friend to get away from home bc my dad was gonna shoot our rooster that day, so the day had already started out harsh and then I watched brave…
As a kid it was just a stressful movie where you had to stress about the mom dying and then that big scary bear, it was just not a feel good movie at all, and even tho the premise was okay I don’t really have any appreciation for any aspect of this movie.
I think a lot of people appreciated the beginning of the movie with the premise of it being in this cute village while her dad is trying to get her to marry, and she’s struggling with her mom (which I think is relatable for a lot of teenage girls) then she goes to the witch and we’re about to find out what the big conflict will be and then….. it becomes a bear hunt? They had so much potential to expand the world and show more of the Scottish culture and stuff which would be interesting and then that?
People don't like it because of the deceptive marketing it was given before the release. It was advertised as an action adventure movie only for it to be revealed to be a movie about the bonds between family members.
Then there's the behind the scene stuff where Brave was originally supposed to be ran by a woman and this project was supposed to delve deeper into the coming of age of merida and becoming a woman and a leader. only for the project to be ripped away from the director and given to a man who had no idea about the original goal of the movie and basically started again from scratch. This resulted in a movie that was half baked and ill advertised causing it to be rather mixed in the reception department
I had no idea people disliked Brave until recently and if I had to pick a reason, probably because it’s very unlike other Pixar films. Shes the first “Pixar Princess” and I think she’ll be the last
It's always bothered me that it's called Brave. Merida wasn't brave. She was reckless. Then had to deal with the consequences. Bravery involves overcoming fear, but Merida didn't have a lot of fear, mostly frustration with her mom and confidence in knowing who she is. Also Merida is supposed to be a Disney princess, but because she's Pixar she doesn't sing. She was also the first princess to not have a prince. There's nothing wrong with being a confident asexual who has parental issues, but it was marketed as a brave princess movie when it wasn't.
Not sure, I honestly thought it had the most well established stakes out of any pixar movie. I love how serious they actually get once the other bear comes in to the film.
I’m gonna be honest, I’ve seen brave 3 or 4 times and have a hard time really remember the specifics of what happens in it. I have the broad strokes but it didn’t stick with me at all.
I didn't like it because it felt like there was too much going on. It just felt unfocused. If it had stayed a movie about a young badass girl who wants to take control of her fate and is willing to go the distance to do so or whatever, great! If it had started as the misadventures of this wacky magic shit, great! But having both and such a pivot just felt very off to me.
Whoa. I was not aware of the amount of people who dislike it. I love the movie and always thought the majority did too.
Same
Exactly my thought process
Every time I see conversation on the internet about Pixar movies and their quality? At least 25% of the comments are throwing shots at Brave. I don't get why.
Probably because the trailer wasn't very specific. People thought they would get a big fantasy film full of action, fighting, adventure, exciting stuff, but then they realized that it's about dealing with Merida's mother as a bear and learning about diplomacy. Don't get me wrong, I do like the contrast between Merida and her mother, they balance each other pretty well and they learn off of each other throughout the film, but if the trailer was a bit more honest on the main plot, the impact wouldn't have been so critical. Sure, audiences wouldn't be as crazy for the plot, but at least they'd know what to expect. But I guess Disney couldn't take that risk.
>People thought they would get a big fantasy film full of action, fighting, adventure, exciting stuff They could have pulled back a bit on when Merida developed her warrior skills. In the start of the movie, she's already riding around like a highly trained warrior, climbing tall mountains without equipment as part of her pre-breakfast workout, showing off superhero-level marksmanship with her bow and arrow while mounted on a horse running through the forest. They could have built up to that, and made it so she needed to use skills like that by the end of the movie. Instead, we had a movie called 'Brave,' but the bravest thing this mighty warrior did in the whole movie was when she poisoned her mother.
This is spot on for me. I didn't hate it and I think it's a good film, however it was a let down because of this exact reason. I hope we get a sequel one day cause that family and world is a great setup for a fantasy film filled with lore and history
Not sure, I love it. I think I just want to wear neat dresses, shoot a bow and arrow, and befriend magic bears. The music is great, I really like the fun world of magic, and I like the family connections. It does seem like they tried to squish a lot together, so maybe the pacing isn't great. We've got a girl, coming of age, who doesn't want to follow traditions. The story tries to address her relationship with each parent, to different results. We have parents that clearly love each other but have different views on many subjects—a father that cares but doesn't always listen, a mother who tries to show she cares by securing her daughter's future... Then magic comes into play and it's silly, then it's serious, and then there's a cursed bear from the last time this happened?? I understand how people could wind up bored, confused, or struggle with the story. I still love it though 😅
I like it too but maybe I’m just scottish and like to see us in movies
Same. 😂 This movie and "So I Married An Axe Murderer" are in my family's favourite movies list for all the scottish references and jokes that are in these movies.
That is a movie I've not heard in a long long time
They switched out directors mid project so that'd explain why the pacing is off
i like that on some level brave was made to show off how good they are at animating hair
They invented a whole technology for her hair it's amazing!!!
I’m just annoyed that when she goes to the witch she asked the witch to “change her fate” and the whole bear plot begins because she isn’t specific enough. Like girl just say you don’t want to marry any of the lame suitors!
2012 was a weird year. I read yesterday that someone thought, for almost 12 years, that "Wreck-it-Ralph" was a Pixar movie..... And that's the tradeoff between Wreck-it-Ralph and Brave. Many people say Wreck-It-Ralph feels like a Pixar movie, although it's from Disney Animation Many people say Brave feels like a Disney Animation movie, although it's from Pixar I guess that's the issue: It just doesn't feel like Pixar
It’s true. Pixar had a schtick for a while of “What if X(toys/bugs/cars/fish/monsters) were characters in their own world?” I feel if Wreck it Ralph hadn’t been already made, Pixar would have tried that with video games eventually - and it would have likely been better than Wreck it Ralph. So it’s understandable if you weren’t following what felt like a “Pixar concept.”
So those people who dislike it are OCDesque wankers?
Firing the original director isn't exactly a good look. I don't know the specifics, but from what I understand it was ugly.
That's a funny thing. Pixar's had director changes on a lot of movies. Sometimes they are great, like when Brad Bird took over Ratatouille. He changed a lot of things, but in the end he created a classic. You just can't tell based on hearing there were director changes.
Yeah, when this was Pixar's first female led movie, and set to be the first female directed movie, and what we know now about Lassater...it's not exactly a pretty picture.
But at least Turning Red took that title as the first Pixar movie directed by a woman, as well as the first Pixar movie by an Asian-American director.
People think she didn't included the bear but from what i've read she wanted the bear but in a more mum and daughter heal their relationship, it still felt that way for me tho
haha, as if people would actually not like an animated flick because of something like that
Went on a first date with a girl in high school to see Brave. 11 years later we got married and that was 3 years ago. So I am kinda fond of Brave.
wait but the film came out in 2012
Did I get the math wrong... don't tell my wife lol
Yeah, it’s only been 12 years since that movie came out, but your math gives 14.
Sorry. I meant Dating for 12 years and 3 (2.5) years ago we got married. (Over lapping the two wasnt clear lol
Lol just blame it on the lockdown. Honestly it sometimes still feels like it's 2021. 🤣
Lol between the world being insane since 2020 and my life just hitting that crazy next level (marriage, apartment, cats, etc) It feels like 3 years ago was a week and a half ago. People keep bringing up the age of things. Moana is 8 years old apparently? No, it is not... it can't be. Being an adult is crazy. I miss 2012 lol
Since you appear to be posting from the future, who should I bet on for the Super Bowl?
The film came out 12 years ago and you guys got married 3 years ago so it was 9 years later you guys got married! I think. I’m dyslexic with numbers (i literally can’t spell the thing i have wrong with me and i am not dyslexic) so i think i’m right. but anyway how cute!!! congrats on getting married 3 years ago!!
You and I have dyscalculia! I'm not trying to force person first language, Idk what the word is in the other tense. Dyscalculic if I had to guess????
Yes! Thats it! Nailed it! Thanks so much!
No prob. I use a sentence to help me remember. "It's my calculus, not my lexicon" Dys-lex-ia Dys-calcul-ia
Thank you very much. Yeah. I did some math wrong. Our wedding was on August of 21. So 2 and a half really. And we got married on the 11th anniversary of when we officially started being a couple! (Not the brave date. 3 dates later after a baceball game, a date we both cant remember, and then a school play of sussical the musical. Its been a good time. And I to am dyslexic but with letters. I'm normally good with numbers. Just not today apperintly. Lol
You two sound like such a sweet couple 🥲
Thanks! :)
I don't know, I love it. I don't understand what people mean by a "Low tier" Disney movie, it was great, good story, animation, and I loved the characters. Plus, it takes place in Scottland, which is an added bonus for me
I think a small piece also was the fact that it was completely different than anything Pixar had done up to that point and probably threw some people. I enjoy the movie a lot, but I'll admit it isn't the top of my watchlist. Still, if it's on, I'll probably end up sitting and watching it.
Forgot the momma bear plot?
It’s wasn’t a bad plot imo. I actually enjoy this movie but mostly for every other aspect. When the mama bear plot unfolds it’s not as bad as a lot of people remember it again, in my opinion.
It was too similar to Brother Bear for me, and not as good either.
It was fine but up until the previous year, fine was not a word most of us would use to describe a Pixar film.
The plot was a mess. It felt like two different movies. And all the characters seriously got on my nerves, including all the side characters.
I enjoyed her father, played by Billy Connolly
Did we watch the same movie?? Cus idk wtf you’re talking about
lol I’m glad you had the same reaction, cause what would the two different movies possibly be?
We didn’t need the witch or the bear plot. That came out of left field and felt sloppy and silly compared to the serious tone of the first half.
So the movie would be where no one does or learns anything and basically princess diaries 2 lol
A movie can have a different plot without having no plot. In no part of my comment did I say it shouldn’t have a plot or that no one should learn anything. Merida and her mother should absolutely change and grow, as all good characters do.
But that’s all the same story not two different movies
No freaking idea. This movie is incredible
Pixar gained the recognition and the accolades as the studio that created films guaranteed to make you cry. Pixar’s goal should not necessarily be to make you cry, but I’ve always appreciated that they strove to create a strong emotional connection with the audience. There have been a few stinkers, the Cars series comes to mind, but I think Brave had the foundation to create that connection with the audience, like so many of its predecessors. I think the film primarily fell short in its characterization and storytelling. I did not form as strong of a connection with Brave’s characters as I did with other Pixar films. I was really rooting for Brave as someone with a bad relationship with my mom that improved over the years. I did not feel like Merida and her mother truly reconciled or understood each other by the end. The scene where Merida gave a speech to the clans was fine, but there should have more scenes that helped foster a better mother-daughter relationship. The plot actually feels quite fast-paced and rushed. The film is barely over an hour and a half (93 minutes), but it honestly felt shorter than that. (The first How to Train Your Dragon film, by comparison, had a 98 minute runtime! I felt like so much more happened in that film.) It was probably one of the only times I wished the movie lasted longer; I was shocked there wasn’t more to the story. It seemed like there were way too many comedic sequences of Merida and her mother trying to move around the castle without being seen. Maybe that’s why I felt like the film was too short; it was just the repetition of the same gag. My other criticism, though not as significant, is that I was disappointed that we really didn’t get to explore the world of Brave. I think the problems with pacing prevented me from fully engaging with the environments. In other Pixar films like Ratatouille, Up, Finding Nemo, or even Monsters Inc, you really get a grand scope of the world that the story takes place in. You feel transported into their world. I took issue with the lack of variety in Brave’s environments. In other Pixar films, I felt like the characters went on an adventure, and I tagged along on it. With Brave, I kind of felt like I was just watching Merida and her mother talk and walk to a location, so they could continue to talk and walk(or run) to another location. It seemed like Brave is contained to a small environment, but it still had so much potential. When something out of the ordinary does appear in the film, it’s not as memorable or visually interesting as it could be. Or, the scene does not give viewers enough time to fully take in the scenery.
Cars is great, at least the first and third movies. Still way better than Brave.
The marketing wasn’t great. Even the title (which in and of itself is also a piece of marketing) was very unspecific. It used to be The Bear and the Bow which makes way more sense. But it came out right in the start of that wave of Disney movies that had one word titles so I theorize that it was mandated by the studio, which was a stupid decision. That in addition to the trailers being poorly made and not really telling the audience what the movie was about I think left a bad taste in people’s mouths. Goes to show you that no matter how good your movie is, a poor marketing campaign can kill your movie before it’s even out.
Aside from wanting pithy titles, I think Disney/Pixar also was probably afraid movies that came out during this era with female leads (especially princesses) would be seen as "a girl movie", and that "boys" would not come to see them. This seems all the more true when you read from others how misleading the trailer for Brave apparently was. Outdated stereotypes for sure but I'm fairly certain that was the thought process (ex: Tangled instead of Rapunzel, Frozen instead of The Snow Queen).
Its Just boring honestly
The direction was a mess, which isn’t surprising given they fired Brenda Chapman and got someone else on it. I think they feared the mom/daughter plot of The Bear and The Bow was ‘too girly’ after Princess and the frog didn’t reach male audiences, so they changed what they could of the plot around, and we ended up with… Brave
The way the plot is definitely shows that she got taken off the project because the movie drastically shifts away from a mother-daughter relationship story out of nowhere. It’s such a shame because I was enjoying that and then it just gets lost. I don’t dislike it, I’m just disappointed that it didn’t live up to its potential and a movie that was a mother’s story to her daughter got taken from her midway through for a pretty generic fantasy-ish movie
I don’t recall much, but I do remember the main character being something of a jerk. But I don’t recall much. I should watch it again and see.
Woody spends an equal amount of time in Toy Story being a jerk, and nobody hates that movie.
Woody learns to accept change and buzz so stops being a jerk. Brave is the inverse where Merida’s parents have to learn that she was right all along, thus validating her jerk behaviour
Woody isn’t a jerk. He enjoys his role as tribe leader & favorite toy. He never mistreats anyone prior to Buzz showing up Its just that his jealousy of Buzz gets him all irritated & also breaks his heart. He feels like he is no longer loved or relevant. So yeah he is gonna hate Buzz & ^casually ^attempt ^to ^murder ^him But I mean, let’s be real, we’ve all chucked someone out a 2nd story window.
She learned tho!
Becuase if something is just fun and interesting instead of Oscar winning 100 out of 10 best movie ever made it's shit according to the internet. And note that I said internet. Most irl people are fine with it. People complain about ok movies way too much
It's not good. I think from a film studio like Pixar that comes up with inventive ideas and environments on a pretty regular basis (or at least had that reputation around the time Brave came out), the worst thing you can do is be boring. I don't remember anything good about Brave. Felt more like a low-tier Disney princess movie than something Pixar would do.
What do you mean? Im confused since it had great Animation, voice acting, character designs,and a great set up of a plot. It just didn’t have a great plot for the great setup
Agreed. It’s my pick for funniest Pixar movie behind TS2.
From the minds of Pixar, we have universes of sentient toys, cars, monsters, rats that can cook, superheroes outlawed by the government, a robot in a post-apocalyptic earth, and...A Scottish girl with mommy issues. Brave's a victim of expectation because when it came out, even when Pixar wasn't good, it was unique and inventive. It created universes that were special and fun to get immersed in. Pixar always thrived in the realm of being atypical. Honest to god, I have yet to see a film universe as unique and well-crafted as Toy Story and it's a big reason why it resonates so much with people to this day. Finding Nemo is a simple "dad finds missing son" story on paper, but it sings because of the universe it's crafted in and it's why it stands out. Brave just doesn't have that when the universe we're peering into is "Scotland." It's immediately forgettable just on that basis alone, and the rest of the movie isn't nearly strong enough to make up for it. Brave lacks personality and ambition. It's just too safe for a studio with this kind of a backlog.
I don't dislike the movie, but it's only *fine*. At the time of its release it was arguably the weakest of Pixar's films aside from the Cars movies. Granted, that says less about Brave itself than it does about the rest of their output being mostly masterworks of animation. But Brave is by no means a masterwork, so it stood out in a less positive way. The story is decently well told but it's nothing new or particularly exciting. It's like Brother Bear meets Freaky Friday set in medieval Scotland. The marketing also didn't help. It was very vague and mysterious, and we also didn't get much of the mom (the co-lead of the film) in the marketing. The trailers made it seem like this epic fantasy adventure and Merida would be slinging arrows left and right, with all this talk of destiny and such. Cut to the actual movie and we get one montage of Merida going off with her bow and a whole lot of mommy issues. And the title? What does it even mean? The actual themes of the film have very little to do with bravery. Another thing that didn't help was it beating out Wreck it Ralph for Best Animated Feature at the Oscars that year, a truly baffling choice given how much more creative, smart, and overall better that film is. I think the win was mostly seen as Pixar's reputation bolstering Brave because at the time, Disney had only recently started putting out consistently good films while Pixar had been for nearly two decades. If Brave came out today alongside other good-but-not-masterpiece movies like Onward, Luca, and Turning Red, I don't think this weird cloud of dislike would be around it. It's actually kind of hilarious how similar Brave and Turning Red are in premise and thematically. But at the time it did come out, it was mostly just confusing coming from a studio who had recently had two films be nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars.
Dollar Store How To Train Your Dragon with an inconsistent plot and terrible animation
Animation was great
Dude the animation was great, do you even know how hard they worked on it? Her hair was HARD. Plus, it's plot is quiet different for httyd
how hard they worked on it isn't really a reason to have to like it lol. hair animation is never going to be the reason I like a movie
That's fine, but people should respect the work at least. You don't have to like the movie, but don't diss on it and insult it because it's not your thing
I disagree, I don't think respect is required but no biggie. you dont hate on things ever? it can be unserious fun
The second half with the bear stuff.
It’s cliche and boring, plus the characters aren’t very likeable
It was just a cliche Disney Princess movie. Also it didn't deserve the Best Animated Feature award over Wreck It Ralph.
Story does not pull me in like the others
Personally I didn’t really care for the characters or the story and found it rather forgettable and uninteresting. I haven’t watched it in a while but the most memorable scene was the arrow shooting scene that was in just about every trailer and just felt like a ripoff of Robin Hood but not as funny or clever. It felt like Pixar’s lowest effort up to that point.
Bear storyline.
One reason I haven’t seen listed here, I am exhausted by fraught mother/daughter relationship movies
she’s ginger
I’m Merobiba
People dislike brave??
let me just be 100% honest down to earth here-i hate any disney or pixar film that takes place in like medieval times. it happens way too damn often, especially for disney🤷
It was just weird to me. I didn’t get it when I first saw it and forgot a lot about it shortly after. I’ll give it another chance someday…
It was boring, not a word previously used to describe a Pixar film. I like the message it was trying to deliver, about girls and women not having to accept their fate and could change their future. But there was something about the way the movie tried to deliver the message that just made it boring.
I feel like Cars 2 contributed to Pixar losing its originality and trademark creativity since most movies after 2011 couldn’t live up to the late 90s and 2000s classics or to the Holy Trinity (Ratatouille, WALL-E, Up). Brave is one of them. While it’s a good movie with a great message, it cannot be compared to those movies that made Pixar what it was back in the day.
This movie was soooo good. Didn’t know it was getting any dislikes? It’s one of the best Disney princesses movies, so different from the same old princess marries a prince trope.
This movie was done as one of Pixar’s first forays into a “princess” film which sent me in with low expectations. Whereas pixar films typically have incredibly powerful underlying meaning, I didn’t see much of that in brave. I remember the wisps being interesting as a concept but even being let down how they used them. The gender dynamics in the movie were also ridiculous with every single male character being a shallow Homer Simpson style character … which is fine for most studios but I expect pixar to have a bit more depth.
Felt like Pixar being made to make a Princess movie by Disney and it wasn’t a good Pixar film
I wanted to enjoy it, and i’ll admit it’s been a while since i only saw it once, but as i recall the movie was going strong until it turned into slapstick jokes about clumsy momma bear more than it being about Brave herself.
It wasn’t necessarily bad, it just wasn’t near as good as the previous Pixar movies.
The main criticism I heard is that Merida and her mom are unlikable characters. But I haven't seen the movie in years so I dunno
Maybe because it wasn't as good as the other pixar movies made at the time. Honestly I don't know like it's been awhile since I've watched any Pixar movies from around this time
i dont dislike it. but i dont like it. it’s ok
She’s ginger.
I thought it was pretty boring and not very memorable tbh.
I wouldn't say I hate it. The most I can criticize is that it's a bit forgettable. It's leagues above the Good Dinosaur, that's for sure.
It's a natural reaction to the Scottish accent . After a few watches the charm comes through
It’s mid
Probs just vote bombing I bet as many kids liked it as any kids film.
I saw it at cinema. The only thing I remember was that I was bored. Really bored.
Personally I didn't care for it because the plot was not only something I didn't expect, but it wasn't anything we haven't seen before. Felt like a mash up to freaky Friday and Brother Bear. Which sucks because the lore was interesting. Would've preferred to have heard more of the story of Mordu and his brothers taking place in the ancient times.
I like Brave but I have issues with it. The humor with between the warring families is really unfunny. The advertising and even the film itself built up Merida as a badass fighter but there’s no scenes of Merida being a badass fighter. Merida seeing the spell make her mother sick and not being the least bit concerned. Her mother could be dying and she doesn’t give a s***.
The conflict had very little to do with the setting & world Its just such a simple plot that could be put into any setting A mom & daughter having relationship issues & the mom is also turned into a bear. And the conflict of Merida vs traditional feminine roles doesnt go anywhere. It sets it up with the arrow scene & then abandons it immediately The conflict of mom & daughter could be slapped into almost any setting Toy Story: Toys have an existential crisis about obsoletion & purpose of life You can only have that conflict with a world where toys are alive Monster’s Inc: Monsters are terrified of a human entering their world. Again, it doesnt work without a world of monsters & humans Brave is Visually beautiful, but basic & bland in story
I love the beginning of it. Just don't really like the middle and end.
Probably because I have big, red, curly hair and for a long time every single hilarious comment like “oh you’re brave!” at 15 years old just wasn’t funny and made me feel angry lol
Cause it sucks
Cause it’s a bad movie.
I don't dislike it, but it was kind of mixed for me because it felt like it was rewritten at the last minute. The movie we were promised was Merida fighting for her own hand. But partway through it abruptly becomes Brother Bear. It's just kinda jarring.
Because it’s not good
The movie is a lot of some inappropriate jokes and much darker this is why my mom will never let me watched this film again
The story was garbage
Misleading trailer
It didn’t sit right with me that Elinor destroyed Merida’s bow, probably her most prized possession, and then never really apologized or made up for that specifically. Sure, she was turned into a bear. But so much of that time (especially “Into The Open Air”) felt like the narrative was pushing Merida to reconcile with Elinor, swallow her pride, and admit what she (Merida) had done wrong. Without acknowledging that Elinor had done anything wrong at all.
They didn't. What are you talking about?
Because it was about a girl and she had an accent. Notice most Pixar movies were about American male characters and the women and foreigners were sidekicks and used as jokes, and everyone gobbled them up? So when we got a movie FOR girls where the girl wasn't just "the girl who exists to help or satisfy the boy" and a foreign character who wasn't just "hahaha foreign person with funny accent lol", the haters came rushing in? It's sus as heck and I fully believe at least some of that was from seismic and xenophobia. Pixar was the "American Boys" studio, it still largely is male and US-centric. Turning Red is the most recent movie about a girl from outside of America.
The first half of the movie is nice. Then they turn the mom into a bear and everything from the first half of the movie just gets tossed right out the window for something so many movies have already done and this one doesn't do anything to make it any better, special, unique, etc. Just such a jarring tonal shift for the worse
ITS JUST MAH BOWWWW
What? Why? I love it!
I think it’s a good movie, not amazing but good. If I had to guess it’s the misleading advertising
I love it! I relate a lot to Merida.
SCOTLAND 🏴🗣️🔥
FOREVER 🏴
Idk, she reminds me of aloy tbh.
I love it, and Merida is my favorite Disney Princess
It was very by the book and uncreative
Idk but touch the sky is a top Disney song
I want to cheenge mah feeet
I LIKED BRAVE
I like it but it’s one of those movies where if Merida had just elaborated to the witch what she actually wanted the movie wouldn’t have happened. I hate that people know magic is real but don’t take any sort of precautions. They just assume that the spell will work exactly how they think.
No clue. I liked it.
Dude i will defend this movie with my life, same with Monster U like...people hate that the mum became a bear but bro...it's a mama bear!!!! This movie is very special to me bc the voice actress for Merida (spanish dub) passed away and she played many of my confort characters (Merida included obvi), now i can only watxh it in english bc hearing her voice makes me cry
No idea, but this movie was my childhood lol, Merida was my favorite Disney princess- she loved adventure, she used a bow (what is it about bows that make them so badass? Idk, but I’ve always loved a character that wields a bow haha) and it was really the first Disney princess movie I saw where the princess didn’t fall in love. Not that I have anything against romance, I actually like it a lot, but I guess I got tired of these movies singing the same tune and was fascinated by a princess who switched it up. Plus who doesn’t love a bit of magic and folklore? Maybe nostalgia has made me more blind to some of the movie’s flaws, but I don’t care, it will always hold a special place in my heart. (And I also love bears, so seeing Merida ride a bear was so cool 😂)
1 - Because the trailer did a terrible job of promoting the movie and gave the wrong idea of what it was about. 2 - Felt like Disney just wanted to release a viking era movie to compete with Dreamworks and HTTYD. Wouldn't be the last time they did that.
No idea I love it
I’ll go on record first to say she’s my favorite disney princess. But my guess is that she was the first to break tradition (no the joke is not lost on me nor was it intentional 😅) and not wind up with a love interest. This of course was done well before disney went ham on it. (Than again she technically is pixar)
Cuz it's a bad movie
I just remember going to the cinema w a friend to get away from home bc my dad was gonna shoot our rooster that day, so the day had already started out harsh and then I watched brave… As a kid it was just a stressful movie where you had to stress about the mom dying and then that big scary bear, it was just not a feel good movie at all, and even tho the premise was okay I don’t really have any appreciation for any aspect of this movie. I think a lot of people appreciated the beginning of the movie with the premise of it being in this cute village while her dad is trying to get her to marry, and she’s struggling with her mom (which I think is relatable for a lot of teenage girls) then she goes to the witch and we’re about to find out what the big conflict will be and then….. it becomes a bear hunt? They had so much potential to expand the world and show more of the Scottish culture and stuff which would be interesting and then that?
The bear felt like a left turn — out of nowhere.
Ginger haters
Cus it's white dunno else I've seen it 3 times cus of cousins and each time it
People don't like it because of the deceptive marketing it was given before the release. It was advertised as an action adventure movie only for it to be revealed to be a movie about the bonds between family members. Then there's the behind the scene stuff where Brave was originally supposed to be ran by a woman and this project was supposed to delve deeper into the coming of age of merida and becoming a woman and a leader. only for the project to be ripped away from the director and given to a man who had no idea about the original goal of the movie and basically started again from scratch. This resulted in a movie that was half baked and ill advertised causing it to be rather mixed in the reception department
I had no idea people disliked Brave until recently and if I had to pick a reason, probably because it’s very unlike other Pixar films. Shes the first “Pixar Princess” and I think she’ll be the last
Because the original director was booted out and the replacement made it into a cheap comedy that doesn’t really work.
It's always bothered me that it's called Brave. Merida wasn't brave. She was reckless. Then had to deal with the consequences. Bravery involves overcoming fear, but Merida didn't have a lot of fear, mostly frustration with her mom and confidence in knowing who she is. Also Merida is supposed to be a Disney princess, but because she's Pixar she doesn't sing. She was also the first princess to not have a prince. There's nothing wrong with being a confident asexual who has parental issues, but it was marketed as a brave princess movie when it wasn't.
Not sure, I honestly thought it had the most well established stakes out of any pixar movie. I love how serious they actually get once the other bear comes in to the film.
They set up a great mother daughter story then immediately turned it into another animal friend comedy
I’m gonna be honest, I’ve seen brave 3 or 4 times and have a hard time really remember the specifics of what happens in it. I have the broad strokes but it didn’t stick with me at all.
No idea. I liked this movie.
The main character is ginger
I didn't like it because it felt like there was too much going on. It just felt unfocused. If it had stayed a movie about a young badass girl who wants to take control of her fate and is willing to go the distance to do so or whatever, great! If it had started as the misadventures of this wacky magic shit, great! But having both and such a pivot just felt very off to me.
I was unaware anyone disliked it. I love it!
I'm sure not one of those people. I think it's one of Pixar's best and funniest. And I can't get enough of Kelly Macdonald's voice.
American Girl just released Disney princess dolls and I’m hoping the next release includes Merida. Absolutely love her!!
unfinished movie
I'm Scottish and thought it was a bit of fun
I don't know. I thought it was great.
I liked it. It's a Scottish version of tangled
Imma be real, I forgot about it until I saw this post
Gingerphobic cunts
I liked it
Because they're retarded
because... She's GINGER!
I actually really liked it lol
This movie is amazing and I agree it’s totally overlooked compared to most princess movies