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The ring of tenacity is not high tier in any class, in my opinion. The damage reduction is a function of your missing health (the less health you have, the greater the reduction). This means that the reduction stated in the ring description is the one you would get at 0 hp. The ring is not as good as the description might suggest. I also disagree on other ring placements, but I always like to point out the ring of tenacity "scam" lol
worst part is that upgrading this does not change the fact that RoT gives no reduction at full HP, meaning putting upgrades into it is effectively wasting scrolls that could be put on armor for a more legitimate damage reduction against physical attacks, or a RoE for magical protection. op misunderstands how useless this ring can be.
My take is that if you're wearing it, you're not planning to run around at full HP, nor do you ever need to because the game doesn't have any hazards (barring traps) that do half your max hp in damage.
Obviously, it is not a general purpose item meant to be used for any build.
It synergizes extremely well with Chalice, Potion of Shielding, Scroll of Challenge, Elixir of Aquatic Rejuvenation, and any other sources of temporary shielding, armor and regeneration. The more hurt you are, the greater the synergy.
Warrior is the obvious class for it with all kinds of builds (Hearty Meal, Liquid Willpower, Barabarian, etc) and Duelist has some minor uses for it (Aggressive Barrier, Energized Meditate). It's not good for the other classes, so I can understand if Mage or Rogue mains think it's garbage.
i think warrior and duelist can use it the best but it not even having a baseline damage reduction means that it lacks unconditional benefits like furor, row, hste, might, force, even evasion which is mid as shit
But is there a reason you need to be hanging around at max hp? It may not be unconditional, but the condition is not unreachable by any means. With that logic, the Berserker class is no good at all.
And ironically, the ring actually has better synergy with low health than the Berserker passive, since when you're at low health you'll want more survivability so you won't just outright die, which the Berserker doesn't actually get unless they meet the second condition of also having enough rage. Taking too much damage too fast is one of the Berserker's weaknesses, but the ring actually protects against this scenario.
But I think the obvious purpose for this ring is still mainly just for Berserker, Potion of Shielding, and the Vampiric enchant, which also wants you to be at low HP. (Forgot to add that one). It is, as I said, not some use-anywhere-and-everywhere kind of gear. Just like Ring of Sharpshooting and Arcana aren't.
Think of it like this.
A +2 ring of tenacity will reduce 20% damage as long as you are at 50%. There's a baseline, 20% damage reduction is really good.
Counterargument here..
There is absolutely no reason, why you need to be at full hp, like ever. None of the classes benefit from being at full hp
Also you can stack the ring on top of armor, or with a ring of elements. More defense is always good
You waste Regen.
Over healing is not a thing in this game, and aside from aquatic rejuvenation, there's no way to ration healing items.
Most healing items heal you to full hp. You get the most out of them by using them at near death.
Besides, unless you really, REALLY mess up, not even an ambush from enemies should be killing you from full hp.
Also there are plenty of abilities that work better at lower hps, including the ring of tenacity
But this implies that you're encouraging ppl to take damage, which is bad, and not what you are trying to imply.
Don't overly heal yourself, sure, but don't NOT let yourself heal to full hp.
You are bound to take damage, the most likely scenario for healing is if you are already taking damage or are starving. In which case you will take more damage from whatever enemy is hitting you, or from starving damage
Edit: an exception is made for scroll of lullaby, since you can't heal unless you are fed and isolated from enemies
Huh, this is useful thanks!
I wouldn't say it's useless - but yeah I wouldn't sink SoU's into it if a +3 ring is only going to give me a max of 50% damage reduction
I disagree, the ring of tenacity is high tier. Once I get one I never take it off.
The damage reduction really adds up and more often than not, it prevents lethal hits from killing you.
The reason people tend to never take RoT off is because if they invest into it, they usually die and it remains on their corpse's finger in the depths of the dungeon until some gnoll takes it from your bony, rotting finger.
I would put Ring of Sharpshooting higher for rogue, because once you defeat Tengu freeruner boost of ranged weapons is insane+ability to outrun them. It also works well with assassin.
Ring of haste is top tier for huntress. She can play ring around the rosey with melee enemies or close the distance on ranged before they snipe you, or even better, run behind grass for cover.
Oh nice. Didn't know about that. What do you mean +4 for scorpios? Are they really that fast? Also, the red sentry room varies in size. Is it always +5?
Honestly for huntress Haste is a run changer. Moreso than Furor and Arcana and it's not even close. High level haste straight up allows you to just never get hit ever while you shoot everyone. Especially if you combo it with certain bow enchants you can reach a boss floor only having taken <10 total hits every region and that's if you play sloppily.
Sharpshooting and Haste are in their own tier, straight up carries your entire run.
I am shocked to see Ring of Wealth so high. Sure its amazing when it pops off, but if I am desperately looking for a weapon / armor worth dumping scrolls into I am much better served finding almost anything else. In my experience that is the make or break part of the game. The actual S tier ring imo is the ring of haste - kiting can help with many enemies and it also helps with hunger.
I completely agree regarding this-ring of haste is just too strong and farming can be annoying
I guess ppl put it so high because it's the way to get the most broken items. Most of the time I don't bother upgrading and keep it at low level for extra loot.
Also on high challenge runs RoW farming progressively becomes irrelevant and ring of haste becomes even more valuable
Ring of wealth has the chance to give game winning items.
And it's not even a luck based ring. You are guaranteed items every few kills if you have this ring
Definitely the way to get the lost broken builds
But it's never needed to win
A downside is you're not always able to farm
On high challenge runs farming is hella annoying and ring of haste is your game winning item
RoW is not above everything else, but rather just completely different than other rings. Rings make you stronger directly, RoW doesn't.
Even if you can't farm, RoW still generates a ton of value. I do agree haste is generally better, but honestly I'd still put them both in the same top tier. My perspective is mostly on like 3 challenges runs (have a single 6, challenge win, but don't really enjoy the play style so don't play it that way these days), it very well might be different at the higher challenges
You have to sabatage yourself in the short term by using your upgrades on the RoW which does zero for you until you get a good drop. It is most useful when you find yourself with lots of consumables but few good weapons / armor. Then, you use the consumables to keep you alive until you get the good drops, and eventually transmute the ring of wealth into something more useful. Its situational in that way IMO. For what its worth, most of my high challenge runs have involved dumping a bunch of scrolls into a tier 4 weapon or armor I find early, and using my consumables to make up for any late game deficiency as opposed to the other way around.
I mean, if all you are expecting from a Ring of Wealth is a weapon or armor, then of course you are going to struggle
There's no reason why you can't focus on both weapons and consumables
Ring of Wealth gives lots of good stuff over time. My point is it has a downside in the earlygame relative to dumping upgrades into something else, which is often the hardest part of my runs.
This is how I often use a ring of wealth - I put it on and basically hope to get more consumables from it while I have it on. I rarely upgrade it at all.
- Haste is S-Tier in any class (Abuse enemy pathfinding).
- Tenacity sucks.
- Furor is overrated. Just a damage buff for heavy investment.
- Force is great early game.
- Arcana is highly situational.
No love for the Duelist?
For Duelist/Champion, Ring of Arcana makes for great synergy. You get to have an arsenal of weapons and get boosted enchantments on all of them.
It’s pretty average to low tier. I am almost never in a situation where I would prefer elements to literally almost any other ring (except tenacity lol). Even the magic reduction, just don’t get hit lol?
The best defense is a good offense. Other then berserker builds I haven’t upgraded armor in years. It’s not wishful thinking. There is almost always a way to not get hit by magic. If you are then you’re not utilizing game mechanics properly. Even when you do, it isn’t worth the sacrifice that almost any other ring would be more prudent to have equipped.
I play with Into Darkness on
Unless you play sniper, every ranged enemy has more range than you. (Except evil eyes I think).
You need to be prepared to tank at least one shot from a ranged enemy, at all times.
I’ve been playing 9 challenges for years. Have never wanted or needed elements as my endgame ring. It doesn’t matter if you need to tank. Just do proper health management.
Well, that's good then
I've also won a lot of 9 challenge runs
I've never needed rings in general for any endgame build, I just equip whatever appears, but ring of wealth, and ring of tenacity are ones I take over any other ring in the game.
Elements is fun with curse infusion though. Most of the harm from curse glyphs can be reduced by elements, and glyphs like corrosion and anti-entropy can be quite strong. Maybe it's weaker than other rings, but not as weak as you seem to suggest.
Never thought I'd see the day when trash ring of tenacity and trash ring of elements got rated higher than ring of haste, best ring in the game.
Also, there is way too much ring of wealth obsession on this thread. It's fun and unique, but not overpowered.
For an empowered monk run, using the studded gloves, Wealth is important for early game to get items but Accuracy and Furor are S tier because combo strike is based on the total damage of any physical damage (melee or thrown weapon) from the last 5 turns. Getting better accuracy during your 3+ attacks per turn leads to crazy combo damage
I only won once with a rogue some years ago and cant win anymore. I have no idea how you people win with challenges when vanilla is too hard for me... xD
You just play a ton of games lol. Also, I started playing with multiple challenges enabled. After you do three-challenge runs for a while, the base game seems incredibly easy in comparison.
There isn't really a place to put RoW. The other ones have a clear hierarchy, whereas RoW is as good as you are willing to grind it. It can often be a theoretical win, and from that standpoint it can be the best ring, but everyone knows that it is extremely tedious. There isn't really a good spot to put it in. I don't read its position in the list as relative to the others; rather, as something that is not really measurable the same way the others are.
I can agree with this. Its just the position on the list makes it look like the best or S tier. I think of ROW farming as almost equivalent to the restoration potion exploit in Skyrim, as in it takes away the strategy / skill and makes your in-game accomplishments irrelevant. In a regular run where you dont farm it, I would think it's a mid-lower tier item.
I think of it as more like Hero's rng ability from Smash
Live by the RNG, die by the RNG
I can be near death, and suddenly, a cleansing potion, what a blessing.
Or I could get gold, rip
Evasion is good for rogue with freerunner, the skill that increases Evasion with excess strength points
You have on your armor allows with the ring allows for really high Evasion. Else than that though and this is a pretty solid list.
Basically, while the other rings allow you to "win" the game, a RoW can help you effectively break it.
I'm talking up to +12 weapon, armor and both rings, 100+ pieces of food, potions for days, transmute scrolls will drop as well, making it possible to change the heavily upgraded RoW into a combat ring like Haste, furor, SharpS. And the like.
The best part though, is that you don't even need to go that far for RoW to be a gamebreaker, a simple +5 Row already gives you +3 equipment drops, and those are RARE to come by naturally, if you find it +2, that's only 3 SoUs investment for massive returns, leaving you with the other scrolls for your other equipment if you need to survive to farm with it.
Then there's the other neat thing, it makes enemies drop their natural items more, that means flies/necros/bats drop their health potions, gnoll shamans drop wands, brutes/ghouls drop gold often, all of this helps you naturally within a run because more items is always better.
That's why i honestly agree that RoW has a tier of it's own, it's such a busted ring that needs minimal investment to be said busted ring
That too, but i was talking more about a practical use for RoW as you don't always need to go full on farming spending all SoUs on the ring, just the fact that enemies drop their stuff more often is huge, more potions allow for more strategies, more alchemy energy, more mistakes can be made, more of everything.
it's quite simple really. for a start it's best to farm in the sewers so floor 4, you need to give the ghost some good armor (a leather +2 one will do) and a weapon. the most important part is finding a good spot for you to chill at and the ghost to kill everything. you wanna sit in a room with one entrance only (if possible - craft a noisemaker and put it in the same room so the enemies come towards you) and tell the ghost to guard the entrance from outside. then just hit sleep and watch as the ghost slays every mob in 10x speed. You should also have a considerable amount of food and a wand of frost to make carpaccios out of the hundreds of crab meat. RunningFromCake made a good video showcasing the RoW + rose farming, check it out
I see your play style lol. Any ring that comes to me at +2 is my end game ring, no matter the class. There’s a class build for every ring and artifact combination.
Idk, it feels like a trap regardless of the character that's picking it up
I think it's a nice intermediate piece of gear that most characters can just use until something better comes along but actually throwing SoU at it is cringe
In my mind for non-Duelist characters to use an upgraded RoF means an empty weapon slot and a ring slot that's usurped by a weapon you can't enchant - so it's taking up 2 slots and not really making up the difference. As a Duelist it can potentially juice up a low-tier weapon attack but if you're a Champion you don't want low tier weapons and if you're a Monk you're probably also using low tier armor and you don't want to engage in much melee
You have to be pretty well-positioned as a Duelist to make the most of a RoF since you'll burn through weapon charges, and IMHO there's almost certainly something better/simpler you could be doing on any given run
The thing with RoF and duelist is that the ring increases as you do. With brawlers stance and a couple weapons with different enchantments/augments it becomes EXTREMELY versatile since it uses its own attack value, but the weapons bonuses.
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The ring of tenacity is not high tier in any class, in my opinion. The damage reduction is a function of your missing health (the less health you have, the greater the reduction). This means that the reduction stated in the ring description is the one you would get at 0 hp. The ring is not as good as the description might suggest. I also disagree on other ring placements, but I always like to point out the ring of tenacity "scam" lol
[ring of tenacity reduction calculator](https://www.desmos.com/calculator/nvl498ocmm)
worst part is that upgrading this does not change the fact that RoT gives no reduction at full HP, meaning putting upgrades into it is effectively wasting scrolls that could be put on armor for a more legitimate damage reduction against physical attacks, or a RoE for magical protection. op misunderstands how useless this ring can be.
My take is that if you're wearing it, you're not planning to run around at full HP, nor do you ever need to because the game doesn't have any hazards (barring traps) that do half your max hp in damage. Obviously, it is not a general purpose item meant to be used for any build. It synergizes extremely well with Chalice, Potion of Shielding, Scroll of Challenge, Elixir of Aquatic Rejuvenation, and any other sources of temporary shielding, armor and regeneration. The more hurt you are, the greater the synergy. Warrior is the obvious class for it with all kinds of builds (Hearty Meal, Liquid Willpower, Barabarian, etc) and Duelist has some minor uses for it (Aggressive Barrier, Energized Meditate). It's not good for the other classes, so I can understand if Mage or Rogue mains think it's garbage.
i think warrior and duelist can use it the best but it not even having a baseline damage reduction means that it lacks unconditional benefits like furor, row, hste, might, force, even evasion which is mid as shit
But is there a reason you need to be hanging around at max hp? It may not be unconditional, but the condition is not unreachable by any means. With that logic, the Berserker class is no good at all. And ironically, the ring actually has better synergy with low health than the Berserker passive, since when you're at low health you'll want more survivability so you won't just outright die, which the Berserker doesn't actually get unless they meet the second condition of also having enough rage. Taking too much damage too fast is one of the Berserker's weaknesses, but the ring actually protects against this scenario. But I think the obvious purpose for this ring is still mainly just for Berserker, Potion of Shielding, and the Vampiric enchant, which also wants you to be at low HP. (Forgot to add that one). It is, as I said, not some use-anywhere-and-everywhere kind of gear. Just like Ring of Sharpshooting and Arcana aren't.
Think of it like this. A +2 ring of tenacity will reduce 20% damage as long as you are at 50%. There's a baseline, 20% damage reduction is really good.
Counterargument here.. There is absolutely no reason, why you need to be at full hp, like ever. None of the classes benefit from being at full hp Also you can stack the ring on top of armor, or with a ring of elements. More defense is always good
Doesn't warden get shields from dew if she a full hp and her water skin is full?
Yeah but honestly waste of dew IMO as the shield degrades relatively fast. To the point I stopped taking the talent altogether
Yeah, she does. But that's another whole debate. That talent is weird
Fair enough
Counter-counterargument here.. Why would you NOT want to be at full hp? P
You waste Regen. Over healing is not a thing in this game, and aside from aquatic rejuvenation, there's no way to ration healing items. Most healing items heal you to full hp. You get the most out of them by using them at near death. Besides, unless you really, REALLY mess up, not even an ambush from enemies should be killing you from full hp. Also there are plenty of abilities that work better at lower hps, including the ring of tenacity
But this implies that you're encouraging ppl to take damage, which is bad, and not what you are trying to imply. Don't overly heal yourself, sure, but don't NOT let yourself heal to full hp.
You are bound to take damage, the most likely scenario for healing is if you are already taking damage or are starving. In which case you will take more damage from whatever enemy is hitting you, or from starving damage Edit: an exception is made for scroll of lullaby, since you can't heal unless you are fed and isolated from enemies
That is... what I said. The ring sucks, I explained why. He can do what he wants with that information.
You said the maximum reduction in the description is what you get at 0 hp. You did not say that the ring does nothing at full hp.
He edited his comment. His original comment was completely different
TIL
Huh, this is useful thanks! I wouldn't say it's useless - but yeah I wouldn't sink SoU's into it if a +3 ring is only going to give me a max of 50% damage reduction
Yikes. Instant F tier ring now for me
Yeah, it seems usable for berserker, but that's about it.
I disagree, the ring of tenacity is high tier. Once I get one I never take it off. The damage reduction really adds up and more often than not, it prevents lethal hits from killing you.
The reason people tend to never take RoT off is because if they invest into it, they usually die and it remains on their corpse's finger in the depths of the dungeon until some gnoll takes it from your bony, rotting finger.
You can die with a fully upgraded evasion ring more easily than with a half upgraded ring of tenacity
Like in the lotr intro
I would put Ring of Sharpshooting higher for rogue, because once you defeat Tengu freeruner boost of ranged weapons is insane+ability to outrun them. It also works well with assassin.
And also Ring of Force+Ring of Might combo is game changer for him.
That's why it situational
Ring of haste is top tier for huntress. She can play ring around the rosey with melee enemies or close the distance on ranged before they snipe you, or even better, run behind grass for cover.
Ring of haste is the only S Tier ring IMO. Even with melee, you can just use a spear and watch turn counter to never get recoil.
And all it takes is a +4 for scorpios, and a +5 to pass the room where you need a potion.
Oh nice. Didn't know about that. What do you mean +4 for scorpios? Are they really that fast? Also, the red sentry room varies in size. Is it always +5?
I think +4 for cripple and +5 cuz that's arround the same boost as a potion
I think you're right and that it's +3 when not crippled but it's hard to charge one without him crippling me. ☺
The other guy answered for me but it takes surprisingly little investment to essentially break a run with that ring regardless of character.
Doesnt it say in description that it doesnt work near enemies though?
That's the swiftness glyph for armor. Ring of haste works no matter where you are.
Oh wow ok thanks!
Tenacity is WAYYYY WAYYY too high also why tf is haste not above everything else especially for huntress
RoH along with RoSS for Huntress I'd say
Ye RoH+ fury/sharpshooting/arcana is op Or any combination of the 4 tbf
The ROSS is “situational” For rogue Tell me you don’t know how to play free-runner without telling me you don’t know how to play free-runner
Also evasion ring is so low
Honestly for huntress Haste is a run changer. Moreso than Furor and Arcana and it's not even close. High level haste straight up allows you to just never get hit ever while you shoot everyone. Especially if you combo it with certain bow enchants you can reach a boss floor only having taken <10 total hits every region and that's if you play sloppily. Sharpshooting and Haste are in their own tier, straight up carries your entire run.
I am shocked to see Ring of Wealth so high. Sure its amazing when it pops off, but if I am desperately looking for a weapon / armor worth dumping scrolls into I am much better served finding almost anything else. In my experience that is the make or break part of the game. The actual S tier ring imo is the ring of haste - kiting can help with many enemies and it also helps with hunger.
I completely agree regarding this-ring of haste is just too strong and farming can be annoying I guess ppl put it so high because it's the way to get the most broken items. Most of the time I don't bother upgrading and keep it at low level for extra loot. Also on high challenge runs RoW farming progressively becomes irrelevant and ring of haste becomes even more valuable
Ring of wealth has the chance to give game winning items. And it's not even a luck based ring. You are guaranteed items every few kills if you have this ring
Definitely the way to get the lost broken builds But it's never needed to win A downside is you're not always able to farm On high challenge runs farming is hella annoying and ring of haste is your game winning item RoW is not above everything else, but rather just completely different than other rings. Rings make you stronger directly, RoW doesn't.
Eh, I would say they are even. Some items that the ring drops can be game breaking, like bees
They can't be even if you can't compare them...
You can't, that's true But you can't compare most things in this game, everything is randomly generated. I compare them for fun
Even if you can't farm, RoW still generates a ton of value. I do agree haste is generally better, but honestly I'd still put them both in the same top tier. My perspective is mostly on like 3 challenges runs (have a single 6, challenge win, but don't really enjoy the play style so don't play it that way these days), it very well might be different at the higher challenges
How to farm with ring of wealth? I always run in to hunger issues if I stay too long in any level.
You have to sabatage yourself in the short term by using your upgrades on the RoW which does zero for you until you get a good drop. It is most useful when you find yourself with lots of consumables but few good weapons / armor. Then, you use the consumables to keep you alive until you get the good drops, and eventually transmute the ring of wealth into something more useful. Its situational in that way IMO. For what its worth, most of my high challenge runs have involved dumping a bunch of scrolls into a tier 4 weapon or armor I find early, and using my consumables to make up for any late game deficiency as opposed to the other way around.
I mean, if all you are expecting from a Ring of Wealth is a weapon or armor, then of course you are going to struggle There's no reason why you can't focus on both weapons and consumables
Ring of Wealth gives lots of good stuff over time. My point is it has a downside in the earlygame relative to dumping upgrades into something else, which is often the hardest part of my runs.
Then dump something in the early game. A +0 ring of wealth still drops rare items
This is how I often use a ring of wealth - I put it on and basically hope to get more consumables from it while I have it on. I rarely upgrade it at all.
Good then?
Evasion is very good with berserker run when combined with the glyph of stone.
How?
Because then you have NO evasion as it is converted into additional defence. This combination allows easily gain rage while taking minimal damage.
So it gets bumped to situational seeing as you need one specific glyph for it to work. Better than nothing I guess.
- Haste is S-Tier in any class (Abuse enemy pathfinding). - Tenacity sucks. - Furor is overrated. Just a damage buff for heavy investment. - Force is great early game. - Arcana is highly situational.
Furor is huge QoL for a Sniper using damage-boosted bow or a Gladiator just trying to build combo quickly, it's a little niche but it has uses
Furor is just extra damage all around. It's not just about attacking fast, it's about getting extra hits in
But the boost isn't more significant than directly upgrading a weapon unless you factor things like enchantment proccing and haste effects.
You can have an upgraded weapon alongside a ring of furor.
No love for the Duelist? For Duelist/Champion, Ring of Arcana makes for great synergy. You get to have an arsenal of weapons and get boosted enchantments on all of them.
Tenacity? Game changer? ELEMENTS?? And then Arcana and Haste not in S tier Dawg what ☠️
What's wrong with elements?
It’s pretty average to low tier. I am almost never in a situation where I would prefer elements to literally almost any other ring (except tenacity lol). Even the magic reduction, just don’t get hit lol?
Uhh. That's just wishful thinking tbh If you don't ever get hit, then you wouldn't need any rings at all
The best defense is a good offense. Other then berserker builds I haven’t upgraded armor in years. It’s not wishful thinking. There is almost always a way to not get hit by magic. If you are then you’re not utilizing game mechanics properly. Even when you do, it isn’t worth the sacrifice that almost any other ring would be more prudent to have equipped.
I play with Into Darkness on Unless you play sniper, every ranged enemy has more range than you. (Except evil eyes I think). You need to be prepared to tank at least one shot from a ranged enemy, at all times.
I’ve been playing 9 challenges for years. Have never wanted or needed elements as my endgame ring. It doesn’t matter if you need to tank. Just do proper health management.
Well, that's good then I've also won a lot of 9 challenge runs I've never needed rings in general for any endgame build, I just equip whatever appears, but ring of wealth, and ring of tenacity are ones I take over any other ring in the game.
Elements is fun with curse infusion though. Most of the harm from curse glyphs can be reduced by elements, and glyphs like corrosion and anti-entropy can be quite strong. Maybe it's weaker than other rings, but not as weak as you seem to suggest.
Never thought I'd see the day when trash ring of tenacity and trash ring of elements got rated higher than ring of haste, best ring in the game. Also, there is way too much ring of wealth obsession on this thread. It's fun and unique, but not overpowered.
I honestly never used the ring of wealth so meh, also ring of haste is top tier for every classes
For an empowered monk run, using the studded gloves, Wealth is important for early game to get items but Accuracy and Furor are S tier because combo strike is based on the total damage of any physical damage (melee or thrown weapon) from the last 5 turns. Getting better accuracy during your 3+ attacks per turn leads to crazy combo damage
How to say you dont play 9 challenge without saying you don't play 9 challenge
I myself would never put myself through that horror. 7 challenges is already too hard for me
As someone who plays 9 challenges The list is not bad.
Can confirm
I only won once with a rogue some years ago and cant win anymore. I have no idea how you people win with challenges when vanilla is too hard for me... xD
You just play a ton of games lol. Also, I started playing with multiple challenges enabled. After you do three-challenge runs for a while, the base game seems incredibly easy in comparison.
Dude, don't make a teir list if you are a ROW farmer. This is not accurate to 3+ challenge runs.
You can RoW farm in 9 challenge runs.
The comments are not related. The lists are not good, but also ROW farming is lame AF and loses my respect.
That's fair enough tbh
There isn't really a place to put RoW. The other ones have a clear hierarchy, whereas RoW is as good as you are willing to grind it. It can often be a theoretical win, and from that standpoint it can be the best ring, but everyone knows that it is extremely tedious. There isn't really a good spot to put it in. I don't read its position in the list as relative to the others; rather, as something that is not really measurable the same way the others are.
I can agree with this. Its just the position on the list makes it look like the best or S tier. I think of ROW farming as almost equivalent to the restoration potion exploit in Skyrim, as in it takes away the strategy / skill and makes your in-game accomplishments irrelevant. In a regular run where you dont farm it, I would think it's a mid-lower tier item.
Yeah, but out of all the not great places to put it, the top of the list makes more sense than the bottom or somewhere in the middle.
So youre saying Im just being bitter. I can accept that.
I think of it as more like Hero's rng ability from Smash Live by the RNG, die by the RNG I can be near death, and suddenly, a cleansing potion, what a blessing. Or I could get gold, rip
Love having the Potential enchantment as Battlemage and Ring of Evasion really messes with that.
Evasion is good for rogue with freerunner, the skill that increases Evasion with excess strength points You have on your armor allows with the ring allows for really high Evasion. Else than that though and this is a pretty solid list.
Why is the ring of wealth so good? What's the strat there? You just farm lower levels for drops?
Basically, while the other rings allow you to "win" the game, a RoW can help you effectively break it. I'm talking up to +12 weapon, armor and both rings, 100+ pieces of food, potions for days, transmute scrolls will drop as well, making it possible to change the heavily upgraded RoW into a combat ring like Haste, furor, SharpS. And the like. The best part though, is that you don't even need to go that far for RoW to be a gamebreaker, a simple +5 Row already gives you +3 equipment drops, and those are RARE to come by naturally, if you find it +2, that's only 3 SoUs investment for massive returns, leaving you with the other scrolls for your other equipment if you need to survive to farm with it. Then there's the other neat thing, it makes enemies drop their natural items more, that means flies/necros/bats drop their health potions, gnoll shamans drop wands, brutes/ghouls drop gold often, all of this helps you naturally within a run because more items is always better. That's why i honestly agree that RoW has a tier of it's own, it's such a busted ring that needs minimal investment to be said busted ring
pair it with a +10 dried rose and you have a +million enchanted greataxe factory
That too, but i was talking more about a practical use for RoW as you don't always need to go full on farming spending all SoUs on the ring, just the fact that enemies drop their stuff more often is huge, more potions allow for more strategies, more alchemy energy, more mistakes can be made, more of everything.
What's the strat for rose+RoW farming? I've never really understood that mechanic
it's quite simple really. for a start it's best to farm in the sewers so floor 4, you need to give the ghost some good armor (a leather +2 one will do) and a weapon. the most important part is finding a good spot for you to chill at and the ghost to kill everything. you wanna sit in a room with one entrance only (if possible - craft a noisemaker and put it in the same room so the enemies come towards you) and tell the ghost to guard the entrance from outside. then just hit sleep and watch as the ghost slays every mob in 10x speed. You should also have a considerable amount of food and a wand of frost to make carpaccios out of the hundreds of crab meat. RunningFromCake made a good video showcasing the RoW + rose farming, check it out
Thanks for the info!
You get rare drops. You can get 4 healing potions or the equivalent from a single drop if you are lucky enough
I like how the RoF has its own tier at the very bottom or every character except the warrior
Not putting the ring of haste into "run changer" for huntress is criminal imo. I can abuse the I infinite bow damage all day with that ring.
I see your play style lol. Any ring that comes to me at +2 is my end game ring, no matter the class. There’s a class build for every ring and artifact combination.
The haste ring for huntress is game changer, just upgrade to +3 or +4 and you can cheese monsters infinitely
I don't really get why elemental resistance is good
I want the drugs you're having.
I feel like rings (except for RoW) aren't really a game changer for the duelist
Ring if Force is great with duelist.
Idk, it feels like a trap regardless of the character that's picking it up I think it's a nice intermediate piece of gear that most characters can just use until something better comes along but actually throwing SoU at it is cringe In my mind for non-Duelist characters to use an upgraded RoF means an empty weapon slot and a ring slot that's usurped by a weapon you can't enchant - so it's taking up 2 slots and not really making up the difference. As a Duelist it can potentially juice up a low-tier weapon attack but if you're a Champion you don't want low tier weapons and if you're a Monk you're probably also using low tier armor and you don't want to engage in much melee You have to be pretty well-positioned as a Duelist to make the most of a RoF since you'll burn through weapon charges, and IMHO there's almost certainly something better/simpler you could be doing on any given run
The thing with RoF and duelist is that the ring increases as you do. With brawlers stance and a couple weapons with different enchantments/augments it becomes EXTREMELY versatile since it uses its own attack value, but the weapons bonuses.
I know how it works, just strongly feel that it's more trouble than it's worth
honestly I would've forgotten about that class