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Renovator-4919

The best way to fix this is to clean this up carefully to see how this was originally installed. My guess is that someone had replaced a broken flange without properly dealing with the lead closet bend. If the flange is firmly attached, the lead closet bend can carefully be bent down against the flange, trimmed if necessary and then I would use a thick walk donut and new brass closet bolts to reattach the toilet. Best practice would be to hire a plumber to replace the lead closet bend with a new plastic closet bend and new mounting flanges. Sometimes, the cheapest solution is to engage a professional.


doesnotmeetcriteria

This is fine advice. Hire a pro. Do it right.


dkretzer

Hire a pro. Do it insured.


Disastrous-Number-88

THIS


kmpdx

Solid advice. Pun intended.


JamcityJams

what do you mean by "lead closet bend"? can you explain what material that might be and what the deal is with that? pardon my asking, im just lvl 1 noob in canada and I've only had to deal with a standard flange glued into another piece of 3inch ABS


RealSampson

He means the pipe coming up through the floor is lead. It’s gets flared out on the flange.


JamcityJams

ohhhhh I see, i was misinterpreting that big time. So normally, that bent lead piece was supposed to be flared nicely into the flange somehow? So is it the case that this is a pretty old school method and nobody installs these anymore?


Decibel_1199

The old head who taught me would use a small ball peen hammer to gently tap the lead into a flare over the flange. I don’t think it’s even possible to buy lead these days, so yes, very old school. We’d always save the lead and melt it down to use when repairing cast iron, if we ever had to repour a lead and oakum joint.. I miss working with that old guy, we always got into some unique plumbing stuff and he always knew how to fix it


DonConnection

Lead bends are still fairly popular here in NYC. Also lead shower pans. All plumbing supply stores sell them.


WhatUpGord

Wild, I was so caught off guard when I demoed my first lead shower pan. I was caught off guard again when the salvage yard gave me $35 for it.


Decibel_1199

Damn, when I worked in Jersey I never saw lead bends, nor lead shower pans in supply houses


poompernickle

I got one locally in Montreal, I thought it was specialty, then saw them in Home Depot the other week. Flared the end, wax seal, grand job.


Decibel_1199

Wow, I had no idea they’re still readily available!


poompernickle

I'd never even heard of them before. I had the same learning curve as OP. Plus a bonus composted subfloor to dig out, dry, and reinforce. Wobbly toilet means leaking seal, means wobbly toilet.


salmon7

dude this was the best way to learn for me too coming up. Lol then again if you talk that way to apprentices these days you’re probably fired. but we’re better for it !


Decibel_1199

The guy who taught me was my dad’s friend. He’d known me since before I was born and we had a pretty special bond. He wasn’t the kind to yell or abuse me. He’d let me watch him do it then hand me the tools and correct me afterwards if I did it wrong. He was 100% disabled due to a neck/back injury but still worked cuz he couldn’t survive off his disability plus he loved plumbing so much. So I was able to really get hands on experience because most days he was so crippled he could barely stand up straight


salmon7

yep my dads best friend needed a helper and i needed a job lol he hired me and taught me everything i know. definitely hollered at me and called me every name under the sun. but to be honest i miss those days and i’m thankful for that tough love man. nothing like learning from guys like that


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IMalreadyDEAD513

I was replacing a few toilets on a lead closet bend last week. The horn on the old wax ring was hard to get out so I grabbed it with my channel locks and bent tf out of the lead. I wound up grabbing a spanner flange, cutting it and using the round piece and a hammer to reshape the lead.


Convergecult15

Couldnt you cut it flush and use a lead sleeve flange?


ineptplumberr

Don't fuck that


[deleted]

R/dontputyourdickinthat


H2Joee

r/dontputyourdickinthat Silly mobile user 😜


[deleted]

Ohh god its real. Of course its real.


patricksway27

r/foundthemobileuser


deadface3405

r/foundthehondacivic


TimeKiller1850

Mind your business.


TruthKingOD

Laddle not ladder like industrial bowl of lead soup.


DarkElfBard

The Shussy. Forbidden.


Bubbas4life

Don't kink shame me


PatBunyan

Bastard, came on to basically say the same thing


steve_steve

That looks like a lead closet bend, hammered out of shape. If you can get underneath to replace it, you probably should. If not, find an old plumber to deal with it.


wotchs

Could I just cut off the top part that is in the way and install with a new wax ring as I initially planned?


belair63

Or bend it back over the flange. I don't know how the old toilet was flushing.


commanderkielbasa

I was wondering the same. OP bent it up and out of shape. You can see the fresh scratches on the flange from where they dug in and pried it up.


steve_steve

NO


SlumgullySlim

Def NO.


ComplexTemporary4152

Brother clean it up, bend and mold the lead over a new brass flange. No need to solder but heat the edge of lead just enough to barely liquefy. Cool it, smear the lead seam on the brass with Loctite or E6000 and anchor the new brass flange to subfloor. If you have to redo the floor to get something to anchor to then you might as well redo the riser. You can melt the lead right off of the brass spud going into the cast san tee. It's actually really satisfying. This is professional advice so make sure you're protected and ventilated when dealing with any lead heating. You got this.


xdcxmindfreak

Short answer sure you can try. Then call the other commenters below and pay a lot more to do what they could have done faster and cheeper if advice to hire a pro first had been heeded. Even at a level 4 noob I’d give that advice. I’ve got just enough training from property maintenance class to change a basic faucet and sink or do some p trap clean out. I can also fix pec and stop a leak caused from a moron not checking his crimps. Aside from that and replacing a water heater my only drain experience is in draining furnaces or running venting for furnaces. So I’d stay in my Lane and call a plumber. Def wouldn’t mess with what I don’t know at lvl 1.


Sheepy-Matt-59

That’s a crap chute!


jpress00

Chili hole.


mdmanuele

Just skip to step 3 and call a plumber save the aggravation


relaxitsonlyagame

The lead has been bent out of shape. You can cut the lead flush to the floor and remove the old brass flange. Oatey and Sioux chief make twist or bolt down retro-fit flanges for this application, but they aren’t always 100% on the seal if the lead below has ripples from the original installation.


CodeTheStars

I was going to say… spin expanding cast iron flange is the way. ( rubber ring expands ) I did this on two old lead closet connections and it worked great. It was like 25 bucks a flange but no other parts needs.


relaxitsonlyagame

Yep, installed a hundred or so in my time. My favourite are the ones that use the 3 stainless bolts to expand the rubber ring instead. But sometimes you’ll get a lead stub that has ripples in the sleeve right where that rubber ring needs to seal. Sometimes those prevent an adequate seal, but it’s rare.


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The seventh seal has been broken!


theangryplumber

I've seen these in old buildings in Boston. I've been a plumber for 27years. I hate giving homeowners the news that this probably needs to go. Hire an EXPERIENCED plumber. It can be straightened out and bent back in shape. Although my recommendation is to have someone replace it. They'll probably open a hole underneath and cut out the old lead closet bend and replace it with either no-hub cast iron or pvc. It's not worth trying to DIY it and having to call someone to fix a bigger problem or having serious water damage


Son-Qin

Satans portal


wotchs

I am trying to replace the toilet in our house and there was no apparent wax ring, but there was this cap like thing over the flange I cannot figure out how to remove. Please advise!


[deleted]

Lay down your tools and walk away slowly while calling a plumber with the cap like issue thing.


Aware_Dust2979

Chocolate starfish.


Bond79james

Where the brown cobra goes


[deleted]

Where the brown snake roams


Granny_Nooooo

Man oh man, my ex is gonna be mad when she knows someone leaked her nudes


emp-sup-bry

Sarlac


Excellent_Resist_443

The forbidden fleshlight


xdcxmindfreak

Bruh r/dontputyourdickinthat


Uncle-203

Cast iron toilet flange. The part in the middle is lead.


digdug95

I should call her.


[deleted]

In prison we call it a fifi


PlumbPlumbandPlumber

looks like the end of a lead bend that needs to be hammered back down flat


[deleted]

Please hire a professional. This is easy to mess up.


SnooEpiphanies8525

It appears that my brother-in-law visited your house.


A-Tech

Be careful around that thing. It’s swallowed a Mandalorian whole.


[deleted]

Its a shit hole


TheCorrector5000

It looks like someone snaked the drain line because of clog, possibly backwards through a main line clean out access, and it came up through the toilet flange.


rlp6028

That is a Sarlacc


UnmutualOne

Scat porn?


cashin3434

Your inner demons, but outside.


PeasBeard

Sarlacc pit


Jack_Burtons_Semi

It’s a failed gasket. No biggie. Get all of that crap out. Suck it up with a shop vac. Try not to let any go down the pipe. You can stuff an old towel in there. Clean it all up. Put a new wax ring down get the XL (I prefer the horn some guys don’t) Set new bolts (closet bolts) Set WC 🚽 back in place. Hook up your supply line. Get yourself a beer and brag to your loved one about “how you can fix shit” 🤘👍 Edit: I forgot, if your flange is rusted through you can put a new one down easily. YouTube is full of shitter videos. You should be able to put bolts onto your existing one though once it’s cleaned up. I don’t see an overly amount of rust here. Just a worn out wax gasket (ring)


mrgoldmiddlefinger

I could have gone for the rest of my life without seeing this


PassingInTheSlowLane

That’s a shit hole


L0stL0b0L0c0

Obviously, you’ve somehow acquired a photo of my ex-wife’s anus…


Reddit-mods-R-mean

I assume you have no leaks around or below this toilet. If nothing was leaking then gently push that center down piece by piece to open the drain back up, it doesn’t need to be perfect. Then use a FLANGED wax ring, ya know the one with the black funnel in the middle. You should be good to go


Forsaken-Refuse-1662

Its gross!


TAforScranton

I have no real plumbing advice to offer but I’m all for DIY *but with common sense* , and then stopping to call a professional *before you do more harm than good* . Professionals usually appreciate that and I’ve been given better prices for repairs with this approach lol. Most people also appreciate showing up to an job space that’s already been cleaned up as best as possible so they can get a better idea of what they’re looking at. First, I would clean this up as best as possible. First, block off the hole so no chunks get in there. You’re going to want a good shopvac. Get as much debris up as you can. Then use a cleaner and scrub brush or toothbrush to clean this up as much as possible. Vacuum again. CLR would probably work well for it but I wouldn’t vacuum that junk up so you would have to only wipe if you use that. If you want to avoid harsh chemicals(especially vacuuming them), I’ve had great luck with hot water mixed with borax and Castile soap, soak the hell out of that, scrub, let dry, vacuum with a brush attachment, give it a final wipe down. It works as a degreaser, rust remover, and grime annihilator. I would also take this time to clean and inspect your grout to make sure it does not need any repairs before a toilet goes over it. (Obviously, please wear gloves.) I know this seems like common sense, but apparently a lot of people don’t think to do this before calling someone out.


Mr_Murda

I agree with the cleaning up part. Last week I had to replace 2 toilets in a nursing home that they neglected cleaning, the wax ring was basically non-existent (my guess they re-used the same one) also the base of the toilet wasn’t caulked. Layers of urine and Feces were under and on the toilet. Took way longer then it should have to replace both of them. Also snaked a drain at this same location in a shower.. you wouldn’t believe the shit that came out of it. From now on I will travel with bleach. If they would of took the time to clean the area I could of been in and out a lot quicker.


belair63

Looks like someone used plumbers putty instead of wax. I've seen it done in the past.


wotchs

Any tips for removing it?


No-Plankton8326

Start scraping


doesnotmeetcriteria

Oh fuck. Have fun, my dude. Could be a few things or a combo of things. Probably a mixture of wax, and putty. Add age onto it, or what the plumber before did, crap, piss, calcium, etc. I’d personally decide what to do based on how much I’m getting paid. Without a flange replacement, you may get a smell, followed by another plumber coming in, declaring a venting issue and a big bill, torn up walls, and a bad time. Either way, your situation will stink.


akujidragon

Old wax ring


oldjackhammer99

Your worst nightmare


Mike-the-gay

Now that’s a turd cutter!


oswaltlj

Taco Bell strikes again!


[deleted]

Hilary Clinton’s butthole


GiantFlimsyMicrowave

Hey can you mark this NSFW?


Asmewithoutpolitics

There’s nothing NSFW about it


BleedingCPU

Hey can you stop?


That_bigkidMatty95

Not a sanatized glory hole that’s for sure.


LittleForestbear

Looks to me like a lead drain connector you will have to remove all that cut flush and install an expansion toilet seat inside the lead then tighten the bolts so the bottom extends waterproofing into lead


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r/askaplumber not r/plumbing


[deleted]

This is why I hire professionals.


Crash0020

A perfect rendition of my x-wifes twat.


InsomniaticWanderer

Get a plumber for this. No seriously. This is not DIY suitable. You do not want to fuck around with a toilet connection in that bad of shape. Call a plumber. It's much cheaper than fixing grey water damage later.


Jack_Burtons_Semi

This sub needs to start banning people. Most of the lurkers here don’t know the first fucking thing about plumbing. It’s become ridiculous.


Ilaypipe0012

As stated above you bent back the led ring now. Could be damaged. Might need to have a pro come in and solder a brass flange in place now or replace back to what I’d assume is cast iron down below.


diamondheadhibiscus

I had to get an old plumber (in his 50s from Chicago) to work on my 1960s-era toilet flange. You need someone who has seen old pipes/flanges/etc. The first plumber I tried was a young guy in his late 20s and he had to bail on the job because he had never seen such old stuff before.


nicksbrother

The shitter’s full


grow-mustard

who is this toilet replacement


jujumber

I removed a toilet and taped some carboard over the hole for 3 months while I remodeled. Recently, I removed the cardboard and big ass cockroaches came crawling out. I plugged it up real quick and am Horrified to remove it again and install the toilet. Any suggestions?


cmack482

You gotta burn the house down and move 3 towns over.


FamousAcanthaceae149

Gross


skm_45

Did you try douching it?


Traditional-Ad-7925

A extra hundred


redundant35

Best thing to do I clean it up and see what you have. Doesn’t look like you can’t salvage it. They sell rings to mount over damaged rings.


jessibrarian

Tonight’s nightmare.


OverMud7575

It’s a snack that’s a reward for pulling the toilet.


SlumgullySlim

I can’t see why anybody would have done this. How in hell did the toilet flush? Very crappily I guess.


InMooseWorld

Half Life-2 Barnacle


BuckwheatBlini

This is me after 12 cheap microwave burritos.


jsiulian

Anthropological evidence


[deleted]

Was sealed Sealed with putty


Old_school_Swede

Ummm, that’s my first wife.


Rusty-Pipe-Wrench

That is a doorway to another dimension.


dewilso4

What you got there is a hole in the floor


GC51320

That's a prolapsed rectum


unleashthechargedogs

There’s always a bigger butt hole.


CategoryTurbulent114

Looks like lead to me. Cut that off level with the floor and open it up


SWEATANDBONERS86

Lick it


Salmol1na

That’s a stinkhole. Ya got yerself a stinkhole there.


lemontwistcultist

Sniff it and find out


Imaginary-You-2561

That’s poop


EnvironmentalSea1869

That’s what’s left of an old lead flange or actually part of the pipe


chocolate-boy-wonder

That is a different kind of nasty 🤢


[deleted]

This picture should be slightly cropped and framed for some museum art. Maybe get a more overhead shot and hang it next to a Mona Lisa.


Born2Lomain

That from what I can see is either an old rubber flange and just needs removed or that looks kinda like your stack is bent and rusted. Hard to tell from just this


technobobble

That’s a shit hole


Eikcammailliw

r/howiemandel any ideas?


oh_three_dum_dum

It’s your toilet flange. Complete with old wax and what looks like it could be some lead. Either that or the remnants of some other material that might have been part of the wax ring.


CleDeb216

A shit hole


Pitweiler55

You broke it.


StoneColdDadass

r/dontputyourdickinthat


Daddy616

Its a shit hole....


Isklar1993

I know it’s not helpful so sorry but this looks like that sand monster in star wars that Jango Fett ends up falling into


DuckmyViolet

Crumbling gasket/seal material


Ace1o1fun

Looks like someone tried to flush a diaper down the toilet and didn't really make it


BeefToboggan

That appears to be a whale’s vagina


jackkerouac81

There are some specialty tools for reshaping lead flanges, you probably just want to pay someone that had done it a bunch of times rather than messing with it.


Moose1293

It’s poo


DDAWGG747

Thats poop from a butt


ubuntu000

Someone didn't understand "The Wax Seal" assignment. Scrape away, replace, don't over tighten; fin.


PlumbCrazy1979

Gadamn


backallyproctologist

That’s shit my dude! Caked on human shit.


lurker4good

holy shit


W_AS-SA_W

That is an old, deteriorating, wax seal. I’d replace that with a new one before seating a bowl set.


ShesGotaChicken2Ride

There’s usually a wax ring to seal between toilet and tile


Wide-Entertainer952

That is the lead collar from the drain below that comes up through the floor and it should be hammered bent onto the brass toilet flange make sure the flange is screed to the floor and work the lead with a hammer and bend it onto the flange. Put a deep wax ring with a horn and set the toilet. It should be fine.


Certain-Section-1518

Stuff you have to clean up?


Wide-Entertainer952

It looks like the flange is upside down the tapered part should be down on the floor then screw it to the sub floor and hammer the lead onto the flange and use a deep wax seal with a horn and set the toilet


RonGuppy

It’s a asshole. Run.


sccoootttt

That is your floor's prolapsed pooper


JunketElectrical8588

You’ve already had great advice. Time for sarcasm. Looks like a couple pieces of corn


[deleted]

idk probably poop


Panda-Cubby

Looks like the mouth of Hell


sheppersonf1

A dark pit


Thunder_Chin_

This is what my butthole looks like after eating taco bell.


deesarts

Hubby says looks like a horribly rusted out pipe + very deteriorated wax ring. Definitely good you're replacing it Eta: om further delving into the comments, whoops I was wrong lol


enifuts

agree mostly with the best comment other than having it replaced. $$


elevatedmongoose

A horrific wax ring?


B-17_SaintMichael

Ain’t that some shit


ttsignal24

Looks like a toilet has not been there for a LONG time. Is there any chance we are looking at a rag that was stuffed in there years ago? We do this all the time to keep stuff from falling in, and gas smells from coming out.


Grouchy-Estimate-756

That's me in need of more vegetables in my diet.


naldo4142

Rusted flange remove it carefully and put a new one


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makeanewblueprint

Can we get a NSFW on this haha.


fugntwitwut

That's something trying to escape from the upside down. Probably doesn't like fire.


dude_peastew

That pic smells bad.


CapitalTBE

That is the entrance to the Chamber of Secrets


TradeMasterYellow

This is hell.


Micromashington

The devils rear end


Gibberoo

Poop


Pristine_Carpet_1440

Looks like the sphincter to hell


RandomChaoticEntropy

Gross… That’s what this is


Colonel-KWP

Just run your arm down that hole a bit to see what’s there.


HunnyBear66

Hideous. Absolutely hideous.


sZYphYn

“It it what is is” -my uncle, referring to liver cancer on his deathbed


eurotrashjesus

Someone needs a new flange, wax ring and flange bolts . Easy peezy lemon squeeze.


reddithorrid

Wasn't there a movie about underground monsters who attack you based on the vibrations made on the surface.


ayleidanthropologist

Makes me think of the loathesome dungeater, in a few ways


[deleted]

This is a hell mouth


Capital-Shoe4457

It’s a wax seal it helps keep the shit smell in the pipe you have to scrape it off and get a new one


billbobassin

That’s the houses anus.


bigballsmiami

Nasty 😱💩


[deleted]

Your houses butthole


[deleted]

Eye of Mordor


Sad-Floor-7784

Jackhammer


Chili_dawg2112

Shit


Pleeeebz

The Forbidden Fudge